[07:19] <BigRedS> bigcalm: "the company will hire a network guy at some point" ; I wouldn't hold your breath
[07:19] <jpds> Everyone needs to know a bit about networking.
[07:20] <BigRedS> yeah, but just enough that it's dangerous to not have a network guy around to supervise
[07:28] <czajkowski> BigRedS: bingo
[07:40] <AlanBell> morning
[07:40] <AlanBell> looks like the phone thingie is 10% of the way to the goal, which is kinda impressive
[07:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> The first $3m was the $600 phone though. Now it's $830... Bet it slows down.
[07:41] <AlanBell> they would have to have a fundraising profile unlike any other crowdfunding event to hit the target still
[07:42] <ali1234> current 2-hour projction says 67%
[07:42] <ali1234> that's still very achievable if there is a big spike at the end, which there probably will be if it looks like getting close
[07:48] <ali1234> i wonder how many preorders jolla got
[07:50] <diplo> Morning all
[07:58] <directhex> ali1234, i can't find a kicktraq equivalent for indiegogo
[07:58] <ali1234> directhex: apparently they have a stats api. someone is pulling it and mirroring to U1
[07:58] <ali1234> and also generating the projection
[07:59] <ali1234> i don't know how it works but i am using this:
[07:59] <ali1234> watch -n 300 'echo -n "   Current:" ; wget -O - -o /dev/null http://ubuntuone.com/2woYdw7S6lUssuio7Jr69P | tail -n 1 | cut -d, -f2 ; echo -n "Projection: " ; wget -O - -o /dev/null http://ubuntuone.com/3KsmEumWq4td3vbHjSUQJS'
[08:00] <arc__> what is the linux mint channel on the irc
[08:00] <ali1234> #linuxmint
[08:01] <arc__> ok cuz i just put #mint
[08:01] <arc__> thanz
[08:04] <Laney> oh my god
[08:04] <Laney> this storm
[08:05] <Laney> MooDoo: tell me you're here!
[08:05] <christel> storm?!
[08:05] <christel> it is A LOVELY DAY
[08:05] <christel> (again)
[08:05] <Laney> http://www.raintoday.co.uk/
[08:11] <Laney> 5041 out of 5000 claimed
[08:11] <DJones> !mint | arc__
[08:11] <Laney> how did that happen?
[08:12] <DJones> arc__: The official support channel for mint is on a different network to freenode, see lubotu3's info
[08:20] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:22] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:22] <BigRedS> Goood Morning!
[08:23] <brobostigon> morning BigRedS
[08:35] <arc__> is it normal for the startup disk creator to lag/hang on (90-98%)
[08:35] <arc__> for 10mins +
[08:40] <bigcalm> I'm guessing you've opted to create user space
[08:40] <bigcalm> Oh, never mind then :)
[08:45] <neuro_> ali1234: where did you get those u1 urls from?
[08:45] <ali1234> found them on g+
[08:46] <neuro_> ah k
[08:46] <ali1234> https://plus.google.com/108243663090085262773/posts/irW4n4abMs8
[08:46] <neuro_> haha
[08:46] <neuro_> that's no api
[08:47] <neuro_> that's aq doing a spot of scraping :)
[08:48] <ali1234> no the comments
[08:48] <neuro_> yeah, they're scraping, indiegogo doesn't have a public API
[08:49] <neuro_> notice tim using BeautifulSoup
[08:49] <mungbean> someone should add a plugin for supybot
[08:49] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Sweet Child O' Mine Day! :-D
[08:49] <neuro_> wat?
[08:50] <JamesTait> neuro_, daysoftheyear.com has Hot Dog Day, which I thought was rubbish, so I trawled the archives and apparently Guns 'n' Roses launched Sweet Child O' Mine on this day in 1988.
[08:50] <neuro_> um, no
[08:51] <neuro_> Appetite for Destruction came out on 21st July 1987
[08:51] <neuro_> Sweet Child o'Mine was released as a single on 17th August 1988
[08:51] <mungbean> oh i thought we were celebrating the royal prince!
[08:51] <neuro_> ha
[08:52] <bigcalm> Humf
[08:52] <JamesTait> mungbean, maybe you're getting confused with Purple Rain?
[08:53] <neuro_> how could you confuse purple rain with babies?
[08:54] <JamesTait> neuro_, Purple Rain, by Prince. Tenuous, admittedly.
[08:55] <neuro_> yeah, i got that, i just didn't want to acknowledge such an awful pun :)
[08:55] <JamesTait> neuro_, I misrepresented the significance of the day - Sweet Child entered the Billboard Top 40 on this day in 1988.  Apparently.
[08:55] <neuro_> *how*?
[08:56] <JamesTait> Source: http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/guns-n-roses-make-popular-breakthrough-with-quotsweet-child-o-minequot
[08:58] <mungbean> my baby was was born on 3.14 pi day, and the royal baby was born on 22/7 which is pi approximation day
[08:58] <mungbean> its fate...
[08:58] <ali1234> they should name him Thor
[08:59] <ali1234> because how awesome would it be to have King Thor?
[08:59] <neuro_> (note: kingly name not necessarily related to princely name)
[08:59] <brobostigon> or arthur? lol.
[09:00] <mungbean> ubuntu phone made the bbc
[09:00] <JamesTait> Now *that's* news. :)
[09:00] <neuro_> yesterday
[09:00] <mungbean> did i dream that they called him george?
[09:00] <neuro_> yup
[09:00] <JamesTait> Tyler, I heard.
[09:00] <neuro_> lol
[09:00] <mungbean> well they edited it today
[09:01] <mungbean> "As of Tuesday morning, the Ubuntu Edge phone had attracted just over $3,295,000 worth of pledges, but the terms of the campaign mean Canonical does not receive the cash unless it hits its target."
[09:01] <neuro_> i can barely read bbc tech news these days
[09:01] <neuro_> every article assumes you're an idiot
[09:01] <neuro_> and there are often mistakes
[09:01] <JamesTait> $3.3m now. The $600 ones are sold out.
[09:01] <mungbean> it was next to a story "beyonce gets hair caught in a fan"
[09:02] <JamesTait> Poor fan.
[09:02] <neuro_> lol
[09:02] <JamesTait> I mean, what was she doing to the poor person to get her hair stuck in them?
[09:02] <mungbean> 5043/5000>1
[09:02] <ali1234> hah, it's still going up?
[09:02] <mungbean> oooh another 10k funder
[09:03] <ali1234> bbc article should be good for another half million i guess
[09:03] <ali1234> otoh it was posted yesterday
[09:04] <mungbean> how many phones is that
[09:04] <mungbean> 600
[09:05] <ali1234> hmm RS has a free next day delivery offer
[09:05] <ali1234> anyone else get the email just now?
[09:06] <ali1234> is this even a change or are they just emailing to remind me they still exist?
[09:10] <mungbean> i accidentally clicked "fork" on github. how can i remove it?
[09:13] <mungbean> got it
[09:13] <neuro_> lol
[09:18] <mungbean> We wanted to let you know that Amazon.co.uk has introduced a £10 minimum spend to qualify for Free Super Saver Delivery in a number of product categories, effective 23 July 2013.
[09:18] <neuro_> wat
[09:19] <mungbean> Orders that include books, DVDs, Blu-rays, music, video games and software products continue to qualify for Free Super Saver Delivery with no minimum spend threshold. So whether it’s a new release CD for £7 or a bestselling book for £5, you’ll continue to receive Free Super Saver Delivery on millions of items regardless of the amount you spend. In fact, you will continue to enjoy Free Super Saver Delivery on all orders that include these 
[09:19] <mungbean> sucks
[09:20] <dwatkins> ah, that's what that mail from Amazon Prime was about
[09:20] <mungbean> because argos etc will probably follow suit
[09:20] <dwatkins> Argos do free delivery?
[09:20] <mungbean> i bougt a small item t'other day with free delivery
[09:20] <dwatkins> that was the straw which broke the camel's back, clearly
[09:21] <ali1234> find the shop on amazon and then buy from their own website
[09:21] <ali1234> then amazon don't get any money
[09:21] <mungbean> with modelzone in administration, my local model shop closing for council enforced refurb, i have nowhere to buy models cheaply
[09:21] <BigRedS> The only stuffy I buy from Amazon is stuff actually sold by Amazon
[09:21] <BigRedS> else I figure I might as well just use Ebay
[09:21] <ali1234> i would rather pay more and buy it somewhere else
[09:22] <mungbean> yeah, i wish there was a button to click "NO 3rd PARTY"
[09:22] <BigRedS> mungbean: you can select "amazon.co.uk" out of the "sold by" list, but only once you've picked a category
[09:22] <mungbean> handy
[09:23] <BigRedS> ali1234: i keep meaning to, but Somewhere Else keeps being worse than Amazon
[09:23] <mungbean> i found a new retailer but their stock is not as diverse
[09:27] <neuro_> oh good, ovh / kimsufi's internal network has been compromised
[09:28] <mungbean> who?
[09:28] <neuro_> http://status.ovh.net/?do=details&id=5070
[09:28] <neuro_> french dedicated server host
[09:28] <mungbean> oh
[09:28] <neuro_> they "assume" the person got their european customer database
[09:29] <neuro_> name, ovh nic, contact details, encrypted+salted password
[09:29] <ali1234> there's a lot of this going around at the moment
[09:29] <neuro_> i know
[09:29] <neuro_> worrying, isn't it
[09:29] <ali1234> school holidays?
[09:29] <neuro_> ha
[09:30] <ali1234> i am not particularly worried by it
[09:30] <SuperMatt> I think there might be some bugs in saucy right now
[09:30] <mungbean> must be the weather SuperMatt
[09:30] <SuperMatt> /usr/share/lightdm/greeters is now /usr/share/xgreeters, but the lightdm confs haven't been updated to reflect it
[09:31] <SuperMatt> could be
[09:31] <SuperMatt> but it's driving me up the wall
[09:31] <SuperMatt> I've had to boot back in to osx
[09:31] <ali1234> symlink it and forget about it?
[09:31] <SuperMatt> yeeeaaah, that's not the only issue
[09:32] <SuperMatt> the dm won't start up, claiming it can't find any x screens
[09:32] <ali1234> surely that's intentional?
[09:32] <SuperMatt> I shouldn't have thought so
[09:33] <ali1234> just imagine if you had a choice between this, or 12.04
[09:33] <SuperMatt> ugg no, I couldn't use 12.04
[09:33] <mungbean> all my machines are 12.04
[09:34] <SuperMatt> it all depends on requirement
[09:34] <SuperMatt> and preference
[09:34] <mungbean> 3 are running elementary PPA though
[09:34] <mungbean> only one has unity (and not for long)
[09:40] <JamesTait> Potentially interesting graph: http://webnumbr.com/ubuntu-edge-funding
[09:44] <neuro_> potentially interesting because it doesn't work? :)
[09:44] <bigcalm> A page that never loads, nice
[09:45] <neuro_> oh, here we go
[09:45] <neuro_> oof, sharp tail after 4am
[09:46] <mungbean> how dare people go to bed
[09:46] <bigcalm> I guess I didn't leave it long enough. My loss
[09:46]  * neuro_ hears thunder outside
[09:46] <neuro_> oh joy
[09:46] <bigcalm> Was a nice storm, hope your power stays put
[09:47] <neuro_> i've had two power cuts in my nearly 13 years living here
[09:47] <neuro_> neither due to storms
[09:47] <bigcalm> Work me and Hayley up at 5am, terrible night sleep after that when we eventually got to sleep
[09:47] <neuro_> haven't seen any flashes through the window yet
[09:48] <neuro_> but it's definitely getting closer
[09:48] <bigcalm> Are you counting elephants?
[09:48] <neuro_> HAVEN'T seen flashes yet :)
[09:48] <mgdm> I've seen them, but I have headphones on so can't hear the thunder :-)
[09:49] <bigcalm> s/Are/Will
[09:49] <neuro_> good shout, choons
[09:49] <mgdm> there's another one
[09:49] <mgdm> neuro_: you at home or in Embra?
[09:49] <neuro_> home
[09:49] <neuro_> 9 secs from you saying "there's one" to me hearing it
[09:49] <mungbean> that page never loads for me
[09:50] <neuro_> which means it's between us :)
[09:50] <neuro_> my office window faces northish
[09:50] <neuro_> rumblerumble
[09:51] <neuro_> !!
[09:51] <neuro_> !!
[09:51] <mgdm> the one I"m looking at faces south
[09:51] <neuro_> wait, you're in glesga, aye?
[09:51] <neuro_> or embra?
[09:54] <MartijnVdS> https://subbable.com/crashcourse is doing better :P
[09:54] <mgdm> neuro_: aye, glesga
[09:54] <mgdm> neuro_: beside the Squinty
[09:55] <neuro_> aye
[09:55] <neuro_> i always found it funny that stv and the beeb planted themselves right next to each other
[09:55] <mgdm> We were here first \o/ (as I understand it)
[09:55] <neuro_> :)
[09:56] <mgdm> and there was an effort to make a 'digital media quarter' down here (so says the sign)
[09:56] <neuro_> "beat it, ya publicly funded bawbags!"
[09:56] <neuro_> yeah
[09:56] <mgdm> Capital FM are between us and the Beeb
[09:56] <neuro_> pff
[09:56] <neuro_> at some point i want rock radio to turn a tx towards cumbernauld
[09:56] <mgdm> oh aye
[09:57] <neuro_> a legacy from Q96
[09:58] <neuro_> and sometimes the feed on tunein doesn't work right, so i end up listening to the manchester variant
[09:58] <neuro_> weird hearing the same music then some random ad for a manc cab company
[09:58] <neuro_> wow, thunder really kicking off now
[10:04] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:04] <neuro_> eeyoop
[10:04] <Dave2> I got a bit wet when cycling in
[10:04] <Dave2> Only a little bit, though, and it was refreshing
[10:11] <davmor2> neuro_: you can't blag me with your fake yorkshire accent, get ye back to Scotland ;)
[10:19] <neuro_> davmor2: dammit, busted :)
[10:20] <ali1234> has anyone read feersum endjinn?
[10:22] <ali1234> i read on some message board that the character bascule is supposed to have a scottish accent (he writes everything phonetically) but he always sounded more cockney to me
[10:41] <SuperMatt> woo! I have my display server back
[10:41] <SuperMatt> looks like the root of the issue was down to my box not installing the lastest kernel correctly
[10:42] <SuperMatt> that was a lot hairier than it needed to be
[11:04] <DJones> Can somebody let me know what my quit/exit reason was a minute or two ago, just wondering whether I was on the wrong side of a netsplit or whether I timed out
[11:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> (11:59:46) DJones left the room (quit: Changing host).
[11:05] <bigcalm> And just before that: * DJones has quit (*.net *.split)
[11:05] <DJones> Ah, thanks, that would explain it
[11:06] <DJones> netsplits yay
[11:11] <oourrf> hi
[11:11] <oourrf> how i can print to the same line in python?
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> print "the same line"
[11:12] <neuro_> lol
[11:12] <oourrf> instead
[11:12] <oourrf> 1
[11:12] <oourrf> 1
[11:12] <oourrf> 1
[11:12] <MartijnVdS> oourrf: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/493386/how-to-print-in-python-without-newline-or-space
[11:13] <MartijnVdS> oourrf: google is your friend
[11:13] <oourrf> google hate me
[11:27] <neuro_> gotta love hotukdeals.com sending out a deal in their newsletter today that expired 2 days ago
[11:28] <mungbean> anyone got experience with modules package rather than sourcing .sh scripts?
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: like dkms?
[11:29] <mungbean> no, like modulefiles
[11:29] <mungbean> The  modulefiles  are  added  to  and  removed  from  the  current  environment  by the user.  The environment changes contained in a modulefile can be summarized  through  the  module  command  as well.
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> kernel modules?
[11:29] <mungbean> environment settings
[11:29] <mungbean> man module
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: a TCL thing?
[11:30] <mungbean> yeah
[11:31] <mungbean> http://modules.sourceforge.net/
[11:43] <neuro_> hmm, that's the second delicious password reset request notification i've had in the last hour
[12:56] <neuro_> breaking news, royal baby to be called Linus
[12:57] <popey> Morning all
[12:57] <neuro_> why aye
[12:57] <mgdm> 'lo popey
[12:58] <neuro_> blimeh, another air crash in US last night
[12:58] <neuro_> southwest 737 nose wheel failure on landing at la guardia
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> neuro_: not "Steve"?
[13:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Why not "The Edge"
[13:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> See what I did there?
[13:03] <neuro_> actually, it's going to be called Susan
[13:05] <mungbean> what would it cost (very approx) to send a box from derby->london , not very heavy but maybe approaching tv sized box
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: "Kevin"
[13:06] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: so he'd be "King Kevin I"
[13:07] <TheOpenSourcerer> mungbean: I used to have an account with Parceforce. UK Mainland 48hr up to about 40Kg was £8 IIRC.
[13:07] <mungbean> wow
[13:07] <mungbean> pretty good
[13:08] <TheOpenSourcerer> My wife has used these before: http://www.parcel2go.com
[13:09] <popey> yeah, i have used p2g before, but there is a local boxes etc type place and they said dont use p2g, they'll undercut them every time
[13:09] <mungbean> trying to negotiate a sale on gumtree of loose items
[13:09] <mungbean> ^sale^purchase
[13:10] <mungbean> its a bargain but i don't wanna drive 3+ hours type bargain
[13:11] <mungbean> parcelforce looks cheaper
[13:18] <xnox> Laney: lastpass is confusing, tried to use to update a site to a random password generated by it, it well submitted the form but didn't store the new password in lastpass =(
[13:19] <xnox> Laney: oh noes, all is fine it did save it!
[13:22] <Myrtti> ugh, I just OD'd on salmiakki
[13:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Salty Liquorice or the booze?
[13:27] <mungbean> so as ballpark figure, we need to see 1,000 phones in the $830 range per day getting sold?
[13:27] <marxjohnson> mungbean: that's about right
[13:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> they aren't going up very quickly now.
[13:30] <mungbean> 283 since 7am
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> no enterprise bundles yet
[13:30] <mungbean> plus the regret effect where someone is cheesed off about not getting the first 5000, so waits a few days
[13:30] <Myrtti> TheOpenSourcerer: the candy
[13:33] <marxjohnson> Going to be interesting how Canonical play it, whether they're planning to let it run or there'll be periodic marketing pushes
[13:35] <mungbean> what's the story with the new elite game?
[13:35] <marxjohnson> mungbean: in dev I think
[13:36] <marxjohnson> http://elite.frontier.co.uk/
[13:36] <marxjohnson> "out 2014"
[13:38] <mungbean> best game ever
[13:39] <marxjohnson> better if they were doing a Linux port!
[13:39] <mungbean> ah, i was wondering why i didn't contirbute
[13:39] <mungbean> oolite gives my fix
[13:41] <mungbean> and my computer is 5yrs old
[13:50] <ali1234> david braben is like the george lucas of video games
[13:50] <popey> haha
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> ali1234: who's the jarjar of the elite universe then?
[13:51] <ali1234> the people funding "elite 4: this time we really mean it"
[13:51] <MartijnVdS> "Meesa stupid!"
[13:51] <ali1234> i kid.
[13:53] <ali1234> but it's like when he was young and had people around him to say "that's rubbish, don't do that" - that's when he did all his best work
[13:53] <ali1234> now he's old and rich and gets his own way... most of it isn't great
[13:54] <ali1234> also i might be confusing some of his work with peter molyneux
[14:00] <mungbean> or bono
[14:01] <mungbean> a multiplayer elite needed to be done
[14:01] <ali1234> it's called eve
[14:02] <ali1234> it's a lot less fun than you would imagine
[14:02] <mungbean> i've heard of eve but didn't know that
[14:02] <mungbean> hence branding tends to do well
[14:02] <mungbean> single player elite is awesome anywy
[14:02] <ali1234> the only thing eve doesn't have is dogfighting
[14:02] <mungbean> especially with the oolite extensions
[14:03] <ali1234> it has literally everything else
[14:03] <mungbean> do you shoot people in eve or not though/
[14:03] <ali1234> sure
[14:03] <ali1234> but you fly with the mouse
[14:03] <ali1234> and dogfighting is inneffective
[14:04] <ali1234> combat is about strength in numbers and staying at the most effective range
[14:04] <mungbean> i spend most my time hunting lone traders and scooping up their cargo
[14:04] <ali1234> you cannot solo in eve
[14:04] <ivanka> yo aquarius
[14:04] <ali1234> you will be killed immediately
[14:04] <mungbean> :(
[14:04] <aquarius> heya ivanka
[14:04] <ali1234> i mean within 5 minutes of entering any sector where combat is allowed
[14:04] <mungbean> doesn't scale to MMO then
[14:04] <ali1234> yes, that is the problem
[14:05] <ivanka> aquarius, did you make an indicator to track ubuntu edge?
[14:05]  * ivanka ivanka wantss
[14:05] <ali1234> a game where you can choose to be a pirate doesn't work as an MMO except for a certain type of player
[14:05] <davmor2> ivanka: he did
[14:05] <ivanka> schoolgirl error
[14:05]  * ivanka wants
[14:05] <ivanka> aquarius, how do I install it?
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> ivanka: he posted about it on G+
[14:05] <ali1234> because *everyone* wants to be a pirate - and if they don't, they're just constantly getting killed by pirates
[14:05] <aquarius> ivanka, I did. :) https://plus.google.com/u/0/108243663090085262773/posts/irW4n4abMs8 -- techie instructions, I'm afraid.
[14:06] <ivanka> have to go to meeting, will install later :-)
[14:06] <aquarius> ivanka, download that script, then "python name-you-downloaded-it-as.py" in a terminal...
[14:06] <ivanka> cheers!
[14:06] <davmor2> ivanka: oh I thought you were turning slowly into Golum
[14:06] <ivanka> davmor2 :-)
[14:06] <ivanka> brb
[14:06] <ali1234> so what they did was split the world into "empire" and "anything goes" - and in empire everyone afk mines all day, in the rest of space it's 100% PvP in throwaway ships
[14:07] <ali1234> on the borders at least. in deep null sec it's locked down by corps, which are player clans/guilds/ or whatever. 50% of the map is owned by goonfleet who are basically pro griefers
[14:07] <mungbean> 55phones/hour req'd
[14:08] <mungbean> well, between 45-55
[14:09] <mungbean> MMO sounds boring
[14:09] <mungbean> might as well go to work
[14:09] <ali1234> it is. it is like having a job
[14:09] <ali1234> the game is also known as "spreadsheets in space"
[14:09] <mungbean> including the commute
[14:09] <mungbean> in other news i got my phi coprocessors up and running
[14:10] <ali1234> i look forward to seeing how elite 4 solves these problems but i can't see it happening
[14:10] <mungbean> hard to understand the benchmarks though
[14:12] <ali1234> what is a phi coprocssor?
[14:12] <mungbean> a coprocessor made by intel with lots of cores
[14:12] <mungbean> but not cuda
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> numa?
[14:12] <ali1234> is that like the kinght's corner stuff?
[14:12] <mungbean> regular x86 code
[14:12] <mungbean> ali1234: yes, the new version
[14:12] <mgdm> mungbean: what are you using it for (out of noseyness)?
[14:12] <mungbean> research
[14:12] <ali1234> cool
[14:13] <mungbean> i have 2 servers with 2 cards each
[14:13] <ali1234> i didn't know you could actually buy that stuff
[14:13] <mungbean> they cost around £2.5-3k per card
[14:13] <ali1234> i thought it was still prototype
[14:13] <mungbean> i haz pics
[14:13] <mungbean> they released in march i think
[14:13] <MartijnVdS> but will they run emacs?
[14:13] <mungbean> yes
[14:14] <mungbean> they run linux
[14:14] <mungbean> you can ssh to the card
[14:14] <MartijnVdS> do they blend?
[14:14] <ali1234> hmm
[14:14] <ali1234> you don't just get X amount of CPUs in one system?
[14:14] <mungbean> its complicated
[14:14] <ali1234> :(
[14:14] <mungbean> you can offload jobs
[14:14] <mungbean> its not that complicatied
[14:14] <mungbean> but you can compile native code, or offload
[14:14] <mungbean> hold on , i'll find the info
[14:15] <mungbean> agh, my u1 still broken
[14:15] <ali1234> my code is using pool.multiprocessing still
[14:15] <ali1234> that means it just shells n pythons and then collates the results
[14:16] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/FjNMRcA.jpg
[14:16] <mungbean> need 100+ threads, and vectorisation
[14:16] <mungbean> this is usually a 1u server, but 1u is the co-pros too
[14:16] <ali1234> threads *and* vectorisation?
[14:17] <ali1234> it's SIMD?
[14:19] <mungbean> http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/is-the-intel-xeon-phi-coprocessor-right-for-me
[14:19] <ali1234> "no"
[14:19] <mungbean> Rather than traditional narrow MMX, SSE or AVX vector capabilities, the Intel® Xeon Phi™ coprocessor is equipped with uniquely-wide 512-bit SIMD vectors
[14:22] <ali1234> i don't know if i could benefit from that or not
[14:22] <ali1234> maybe if numpy ever supports it
[14:24] <ali1234> my problem is i'm doing blind deconvolution by a brute force approach, using heuristics to skip certain "obviously wrong" answers
[14:24] <ali1234> but those heuristics also make vectorization impossible
[14:26] <ali1234> well, probably not impossible. just too hard for me
[14:27] <mungbean> also need intel compiler 2013 afai see
[14:27] <ali1234> yeah that's no good. i want to type "cat /proc/cpuinfo" and have 200 cores
[14:27] <mungbean> 240 cores ;)
[14:28] <ali1234> yeah, that :)
[14:28] <mungbean> i did
[14:28] <mungbean> as i say, ssh mic0
[14:28] <mungbean> runs linux
[14:28] <ali1234> and i can run 240 pythons and they all run full speed?
[14:29] <ali1234> that's all i really need :)
[14:29] <mungbean> give me some code and i'll test
[14:29] <ali1234> well the code is on github
[14:29] <mungbean> you can scp stuff to the cards, or p2p the cards
[14:29] <ali1234> but the data set is like 4GB
[14:30] <mungbean> don't have python on the card
[14:31] <ali1234> i suppose it's only a matter of time though...
[14:31] <mungbean> i could install a portable python in /home
[14:32] <mungbean> but native compiled code code is prob best way
[14:32] <ali1234> numpy is native compiled... it's even MMX optimized
[14:32] <ali1234> i'm sure one day someone will do a phi version too
[14:32] <mungbean> http://software.intel.com/en-us/forums/topic/392736
[14:34] <ali1234> http://software.intel.com/en-us/articles/numpyscipy-with-intel-mkl
[15:18] <mungbean> this cookie law became the single most anything thing to happen to the internet in years
[15:18] <mungbean> especially on mobiles
[15:32] <SuperMatt> it did?
[15:32] <SuperMatt> Did I miss that?
[15:32] <mungbean> about a year ago
[15:32] <mungbean> every site i visit shows a massive overlay on mobile usually
[15:33] <SuperMatt> oh, you said anything, you meant annoying
[15:33] <SuperMatt> yes, I agree
[15:33] <mungbean> yes
[15:35] <BigRedS> haha, I read that as 'annoying' first time round
[15:36] <BigRedS> found SuperMatt quite confusing
[15:36] <SuperMatt> I'm a confusing guy, tbh
[15:51] <mungbean> new option appeared on the phone page
[15:51] <mungbean> double edge $1400
[15:52] <popey> indeed
[15:52] <popey> stay tuned ☻
[15:53] <mungbean> mungbean	maybe they should extend the $600 phone offer	20:59
[15:53] <mungbean> popey	that's not happening
[15:54] <mungbean> strictly true but...
[15:54] <popey> ☻
[15:54] <mungbean> cheeky pope
[15:54] <mungbean> y
[15:54] <popey> no, i was truthful
[15:54] <mungbean> you were
[15:55] <mungbean> maybe all hpones should be etched/numbered
[16:02]  * popey summons powers
[16:04] <davmor2> popey: Austin is there wow get his autograph..... Doctor evil too he won't be far behind
[16:05] <popey> who?
[16:05] <davmor2> popey: Austin Powers/Doctor Evil
[16:05] <popey> oh
[16:06] <davmor2> popey: you said summons powers
[16:06] <bigcalm> Gold Member and Fat Bastard as well
[16:06] <popey> yes, i get it
[16:07] <davmor2> popey: man that is bad jetlag or you need moar sleepz
[16:07] <popey> no, just not a funny joke :þ
[16:08] <davmor2> popey: man harsh ;)
[16:21] <Laney> wow
[16:21] <Laney> this is a lot of rain
[16:21] <MartijnVdS> times you need to start being scared:
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> * When someone from Britain thinks an amount of rain is "a lot"
[16:22] <Laney> it looks like someone is pouring a bucket of water over the window constantly
[16:22] <Laney> i had to turn the light on because it got so dark
[16:23] <Laney> wtf, now I'm getting wet at my desk half way across the room
[16:23]  * Laney shuts the window
[16:31] <shauno> heh, I got hit by a low-flying carwash earlier too.  quite refreshing
[17:48] <ivanka> aquarius, are you still online?
[17:48] <aquarius> ivanka-train, I am
[17:49] <MartijnVdS> ivanka-train: finally out of the meeting? :)
[17:49] <ivanka-train> MartijnVdS, :-)
[17:49] <ivanka-train> aquarius, so, this script, I am on 13.04
[17:49] <aquarius> ivanka-train, as am I
[17:49] <ivanka-train> aquarius, okay, that's good, was checking
[17:50] <aquarius> ivanka-train, so that's not the reason it doesn't work ;) There will likely be other reasons ;)
[17:50] <aquarius> not gonna catch me upgrading to a development release just yet!
[17:50]  * ivanka-train is going in
[17:50] <ivanka-train> anything to stop with the refresh!
[17:50] <aquarius> ...to a tunnel? :)
[17:50]  * aquarius laughs
[17:51] <aquarius> ivanka-train, so, I can talk you through how to run it, if that's helpful?
[17:52] <ivanka-train> aquarius, yes - I have got as far as downloading it
[17:52] <aquarius> ivanka-train, OK. Do you know where you downloaded it to?
[17:52] <aquarius> (the browser does not always make it very clear!)
[17:52] <ivanka-train> aquarius, looking at it now, it is in downloads
[17:53] <aquarius> ivanka-train, OK. Start a Terminal, and do: python ~/Downloads/ubuntu-edge-indicator.py
[17:53] <ivanka-train> aquarius, that is a good question though, not sure I know the path
[17:53] <aquarius> your Downloads folder should be ~/Downloads -- the ~ here is a shorthand for "your home folder".
[17:53] <aquarius> stop me if I'm being incredibly condescending, here.
[17:54] <ivanka-train> aquarius, you are not. carry on
[17:54] <aquarius> Condescending: that means "to talk down to someone in a patronising way" ;-)
[17:54]  * ivanka-train flips aquarius the bird
[17:54] <aquarius> OK. So, if you try the above command in a Terminal, you *should* get a new indicator in the Unity menu bar.
[17:55] <aquarius> alternatively, you may get some sort of error.
[17:55] <ivanka-train> aquarius, it's like magic!
[17:55] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: add that to your job title: "Wizard"
[17:55] <aquarius> ivanka-train, it works?
[17:56] <ivanka-train> aquarius, it works, yes!
[17:56] <ivanka-train> aquarius, you rounded up to much, I want the detail
[17:56] <ivanka-train> aquarius, can I file a bug? Put in a change request?
[17:57] <aquarius> you can put in a change request by asking me for something. :)
[17:57] <aquarius> I have a bunch of people on G+ who are all "make a bzr branch" and "add custom icons" and I have had to explain that 20 minute hacks don't get proper tech support ;)
[17:58] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: but it's open source, you have obligations!
[17:58] <aquarius> ivanka-train, you will, sadly, need to re-run the script every time you restart.
[17:59] <ivanka-train> I don't know how the rest of your users feel, but I like the big long number
[17:59] <ivanka-train> aquarius, I can handle that
[17:59] <ivanka-train> I hardly ever restart :-)
[18:00] <aquarius> nice.
[18:00] <aquarius> also, you can't close the Terminal that you started it from. :)
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> you can move it to another virtual desktop to hide it though
[18:00] <MartijnVdS> or minimize it
[18:00] <ivanka-train> aquarius, good job you told me that!
[18:01] <ivanka-train> MartijnVdS, so that's what virtual desktops are useful for!
[18:01] <aquarius> ivanka-train, the big long number...I don't have, for two reasons. The first, and most venial reason, is that it takes up too much room on the menu bar. The second, which is more important, is that the number only updates every 5 minutes (so as to not hammer the indiegogo people too hard), and that's really obvious if you have the full amount; if you only have $3.55m then it's not as obvious. :)
[18:01] <MartijnVdS> ivanka-train: that, and windows full of scrolling web server logs ;)
[18:02] <aquarius> ivanka-train, if starting the thing manually every time you restart seems really annoying, which it is, you *should* be able to add a new Startup Application -- Startup Applications is in the Dash, and the "command" that you put in the new Application that you add is "python /home/ivanka/Downloads/ubuntu-edge-indicator.py" (note that you can't use the ~ shorthand here).
[18:03] <ivanka-train> aquarius, ack (as they say on the internet)
[18:03] <ivanka-train> aquarius, that ack was to the reasons no long number
[18:03] <ivanka-train> I will investigate the other when not on the train
[18:04] <aquarius> ivanka-train, yep; if you're online when you investigate and get stuck, let me know and I can talk you through it.
[18:04] <aquarius> ivanka-train, stuff like that would be, of course, handled for you if this were a real project rather than a 20 minute hack ;)
[18:04] <ivanka-train> :-)
[18:05] <aquarius> now I have to go eat dinner before the cauliflower cheese burns to an absolute crisp
[18:05] <aquarius> ivanka-train, let me know if you run into further problems...
[18:05] <ivanka-train> will do
[18:05] <ivanka-train> bon apetit
[18:08] <diddledan> phoo where's this rain we were supposed to get today?!
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: Laney's place
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: he got bucketloads of it
[18:08] <diddledan> hmm
[18:18] <aquarius> that was excellent. Not burned at all. Well done Stuart the Masterchef.
[18:32] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: .. next on 'Come Dine With Me'?
[18:32] <aquarius> MartijnVdS, well, that's why I've been learning to cook this year.
[18:33] <aquarius> um. To be clear, I've been learning to cook so I can eat nice food, not so I get on telly ;)
[18:33] <MartijnVdS> aquarius: suuure :P
[18:34] <Azelphur> hey folks, got a USB bluetooth adapter, works fine in my laptop (13.04) doesn't work on my desktop (13.10)
[18:35] <Azelphur> dmesg on my laptop says it loads btusb to drive it, pc does not.
[18:35] <Azelphur> any ideas?
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: are you plugging it into a hub or in a port on the machine itself?
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: USB2 port or USB3 (blue) port/
[18:36] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: do other USB devices work in the port?
[18:36] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: I've tried it in two different ports, it was on my internal USB port, which it has worked on before, other usb devices work fine in both ports.
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: so.. is it USB1/2 or USB3?
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: does it show up in lsusb?
[18:37] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: 2/3
[18:37] <Azelphur> yes it shows up in lsusb
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> so it's a blue port/
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> try a black one
[18:37] <MartijnVdS> (this sounds smurfist, I know)
[18:38] <Azelphur> black port, same results.
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: hcitool de
[18:38] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: hcitool dev
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> does that show anything?>
[18:39] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: that's what I'm using to define if it's working or not, nothing in there.
[18:39] <Azelphur> (but when I use it on my laptop, it shows up in there)
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> are you sure it's not the laptop's internal bt thingy/
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> ?
[18:39] <Azelphur> yes, my laptop doesn't have 2 internal bluetooths ;)
[18:39] <MartijnVdS> blueteeth* :P
[18:39] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:40] <Azelphur> this adapter also did used to work on 12.10
[18:40] <MartijnVdS> I don't know then.. maybe some kind of rfkill thing? does dmesg say anything at all?
[18:40] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/XY5KSFBz
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: dmesg -T gives nicer timestamps ;)
[18:41] <Azelphur> fun
[18:41] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: lsmod | grep btusb ?
[18:42] <Azelphur> btusb                  22474  0  || bluetooth             238521  12 bnep,btusb,rfcomm
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> so it's loaded
[18:42] <MartijnVdS> Stränge!
[18:42] <Azelphur> I did manually modprobe it to see if that solved it, it didn't.
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> you could diff the lsusb -vvv entries
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> from the laptop & desktop
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> see if there's anything different
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> does it work if you boot with it plugged in, instead of plugging it in afterwards?
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> (you never know..)
[18:44] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nope, it was on internal, so it's always plugged in on boot ;)
[18:47] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: no differences in lsusb -vvv
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: anything in syslog anywhere?
[18:47] <Azelphur> short of bus and device, anyway
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> yeah but that's sort of always the case
[18:49] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nothing I can see really, the laptop does lots of bluetoothd stuff indicating it worked, I guess
[18:49] <Azelphur> while the PC does not.
[18:49] <MartijnVdS> I'm afraid I don't know
[18:50] <Azelphur> any idea where I could go for assistance? seems like a regression
[18:50] <Azelphur> and these are the $2 ebay adapters that half the planet has, so it's gonna cause problems ;)
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> I'd file a bug: ubuntu-bug linux
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> get a $3 one from the local store
[18:51] <MartijnVdS> well £3
[18:51] <Azelphur> hehe
[18:51] <Azelphur> I think I have another one actually, wonder if that ones alive.
[18:52]  * MartijnVdS will be getting this tomorrow: http://www.dell.com/ed/business/p/dell-u2913wm/pd
[18:53] <Azelphur> this one works
[18:53] <Azelphur> \o/
[18:53] <Azelphur> this has to be a regression :p
[18:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: maybe the serial number of 00000000 has something to do with it not working?
[18:54]  * Azelphur shrugs
[18:55] <Azelphur> still a regression, as I say, works on 13.04, doesn't work on 13.10
[18:55] <MartijnVdS> ubuntu-bug linux
[18:55] <Azelphur> yup, ubuntu-bugging linux
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> but.. a 21:9 computer screen
[18:57] <MartijnVdS> that's going to be SWEET ;)
[19:01] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: Problem in linux-image-3.10.0-2-generic, The problem cannot be reported: This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again.
[19:01] <Azelphur> o.O
[19:01] <MartijnVdS> yeah they're up to 4 now
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> -4
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> or -5 even
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> that said.. I need to reboot & upgrade my bios
[19:02] <Azelphur> oh, so I should update and reboot and try again?
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: probably
[19:02] <Azelphur> righto
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: and if it still doesn't work, ubuntu-bug
[19:02] <Azelphur> I'll attack that one a bit later then :)
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> <- back
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> somehow, Gigabyte main boards can't remember settings across bios upgrades, even if you store those settings in a file before upgrading
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> (and then re-load it)
[19:21] <Azelphur> anyone recommend something I can use to recover a busted exFAT partition?
[19:21] <Azelphur> my next fun mission of the day :)
[19:22] <Azelphur> this was a gopro that fell off a motorbike, I did manage to dd the partition without any errors though, so I'm hopeful something is there ;)
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: have you installed the exfat FUSE bits?
[19:22] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: this is a live cd
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> exfat-fuse - read and write exFAT driver for FUSE
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> exfat-utils - utilities to create, check, label and dump exFAT filesystem
[19:22] <Azelphur> so dunno
[19:23] <mgdm> Azelphur: testdisk might get files off it?
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> ^ those 2 can probably help with basics
[19:23] <Azelphur> I'll install them both
[19:23] <Azelphur> mgdm: cool, will try that :)
[19:23] <mgdm> it goes through filesystems and looks for files, and pulls those, but ignores directory entries so you don't get filenames
[19:23] <mgdm> often that doesn't matter
[19:23] <Azelphur> indeed
[19:23] <Azelphur> I assume I can run that against the dd image?
[19:23] <Azelphur> (don't wanna do any more damage to the physical drive)
[19:24] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: you can
[19:24] <Azelphur> cool :)
[19:24] <mgdm> Azelphur: aye, that's the recommended way
[19:26] <Azelphur> figured it would be :)
[19:46] <Azelphur> hmm, seems mount is playing up
[19:47] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/LKGSN82z any ideas on this?
[19:47] <Azelphur> no such file or directory my ass :P
[19:48] <Azelphur> hmm, I found out why, the image is empty, wtf lol
[19:55] <AlanBell> o/ victorp
[19:56] <AlanBell> victorp: so, is there someone on the project who understands the VAT question for B2B sales?
[19:57] <mfraz74_> AlanBell: has no one given a definite answer yet?
[19:57] <Azelphur> mgdm: hmm, it's asking me what partition table type, I'm not 100% sure but gparted says it's msdos, which isn't listed as an option.
[19:58] <diddledan> Azelphur: msdos partition table is also more correctly known as the MBR style
[19:58] <diddledan> MBR = Master Boot Record
[19:59] <Azelphur> found out it auto detects and suggests, so I went with it's suggestion
[20:14] <diddledan> what's ubuntu like on retina screens these days? (macbook pro 13")
[20:15] <diddledan> last I tried it on here everything was too teeny
[20:15] <diddledan> I would need it to 2x the retina and not 2x the external display
[22:17] <Laney> ohhhhhhh alice morgan
[22:52] <diddledan> so who's still awake?! :-p
[23:23] <shauno> at this hour?
[23:39] <diddledan> shauno: I didn't think you did late nights anymore - you said you'd got old or some such excuse
[23:40] <shauno> this isn't late :/
[23:40] <diddledan> lol
[23:41] <shauno> I'm trying to find the right googlefu to figure out why my kerbals seem to pass out / turn into ragdolls / explode