| micahg | hrm, are we not in for alpha 2? | 00:18 |
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| micahg | ochosi: gtk indicator support was gone in 12.10 IIRC | 00:19 |
| micahg | if something is broke, we need to fix it | 00:19 |
| skellat | micahg: We should be in A2 | 00:39 |
| skellat | micahg: If we're not, somebody from Xubuntu Release Team needs to fire off e-mails | 00:39 |
| micahg | skellat: yes, someone does :) | 00:40 |
| skellat | RELEASE TEAM: knome bluesabre elfy forestpiskie mr_pouit --- Somebody needs to please go into #ubuntu-release and ask nicely that an Alpha 2 build be spun up for us and also send an e-mail on the relevant list for good measure please. | 00:42 |
| bluesabre | skellat: I messaged #xubuntu-release. If you know any relevant docs or wiki pages (or processes) on what else I should do, please point me in the right direction. :-) | 06:08 |
| bluesabre | I mean #ubuntu-release | 06:08 |
| elfy | thanks bluesabre I just caught that message - I'll ignore it now | 06:09 |
| bluesabre | elfy: not sure who else or what else I should do, so if you're more seasoned, please pick up where I left off | 06:10 |
| elfy | nope - I got put in the release team a month before you ;) | 06:11 |
| bluesabre | cool, hopefully knome or mr_pouit mrpouit show up then :) | 06:12 |
| elfy | :) | 06:12 |
| knome | looks like we're getting some magazine moolah soonish | 12:34 |
| lderan | cool | 13:06 |
| skellat | bluesabre: No real documentation. Just keep an eye on #ubuntu-release and be subscribed to their mailing list. | 15:34 |
| skellat | bluesabre: Good news from in-channel discussion is everybody is getting re-spun due to borked kernels | 15:35 |
| elfy | alpha2 is now rebuilding | 17:06 |
| elfy | knome: the next thing I need to work out is how to add a testcase so it shows for people to report against | 17:18 |
| micahg | elfy: please make sure our builds have the fixed kernel before people start testing (see backscroll in -release) | 17:26 |
| elfy | micahg: this bit? elfy: there you go ^ note that those are broken and you'll need to respin once we get the new kernel+d-i in the release pocket (or infinity will just respin everyone) | 17:27 |
| micahg | yes | 17:27 |
| elfy | micahg: so I should mark as disabled on trackker for the moment? | 17:28 |
| micahg | please | 17:28 |
| micahg | unless you want to field questions about kernel breakage ;) | 17:29 |
| elfy | mmmm - think I'll give that a miss :p | 17:29 |
| elfy | marked them as disabled but nothing seems to have changed ... can you look here and see what it looks like to you please = http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds | 17:30 |
| elfy | doing it the long hand way ... | 17:31 |
| elfy | micahg: though I'd love some way of knowing when it's got the new kernel too | 17:33 |
| micahg | elfy: I'd suggest idling in -release to watch when stuff happens | 17:33 |
| knome | elfy, have you figured out the alpha2 stuff with stgraber? | 17:38 |
| knome | elfy, i can go through the testcase stuff in a minute if you are around | 17:39 |
| elfy | micahg: thought so :) | 17:44 |
| elfy | knome: got alpha2 stuff sorted yep | 17:44 |
| elfy | knome: half way through cooking atm - so not just yet | 17:44 |
| knome | ok, just ping me then | 17:45 |
| elfy | ta :) | 17:45 |
| pleia2 | elfy: hugs | 17:57 |
| elfy | pleia2: thanks :) | 18:17 |
| elfy | knome: I'm about now - whenever you've got time | 18:17 |
| knome | elfy, sure, just a sec | 18:18 |
| elfy | no rush - I'm about for a couple of hours tonight | 18:18 |
| knome | elfy, let me get on a same page with you - do you want to add a test from the repository to the tracker, or want to make a test in the tracker visible for users? | 18:22 |
| elfy | want to know how to add a test so it's visible in tracker for us to ask people to test 'things' | 18:22 |
| elfy | you wanted an abiword one for instance | 18:23 |
| knome | elfy, ok. do you know if the test is in the tracker and just hidden, or if it's only in the repositories? | 18:23 |
| elfy | the abiword test is in http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites if that's what you mean | 18:26 |
| knome | yes, that is what i was after :) | 18:26 |
| elfy | so - what I want to know then is how to get that to show on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/49654/testcases for instance | 18:27 |
| knome | no way | 18:27 |
| knome | the package tests will always be in packages.qa.... | 18:27 |
| elfy | mmm | 18:28 |
| elfy | so how do we get them tested? | 18:28 |
| knome | just point people to the packages tracker :) | 18:28 |
| elfy | mmm | 18:29 |
| knome | (it runs the same software, and if you're familiar with iso.qa... you should be fine with packages.qa....) | 18:29 |
| knome | so basically | 18:29 |
| elfy | not sure you're getting what I am after then | 18:29 |
| knome | we have a testsuite for abiword already | 18:29 |
| elfy | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/49654/testcases | 18:29 |
| elfy | go there | 18:29 |
| elfy | a week or two ago there was a test there for parole | 18:29 |
| knome | sure, because that was added in the iso tracker | 18:30 |
| elfy | so then | 18:30 |
| knome | we could still do that, but because package tests are DE-agnostic, we should add them under packages. | 18:30 |
| elfy | I'm obviously not making myself plain here | 18:30 |
| knome | you are. | 18:30 |
| elfy | how can we ask people to test things | 18:30 |
| knome | i totally understand what you are saying | 18:30 |
| knome | we tell them to log in to packages.qa.ubuntu.com and tell them to test X, Y and Z packages | 18:31 |
| elfy | then I see no reason at all for writing testcases - we've got no way of asking people to test things and report | 18:31 |
| knome | well, what we *can* do | 18:31 |
| knome | is create a new testcase for the xubuntu post-installation testsuite | 18:31 |
| knome | that says "go to packages.qa... and test X, Y, Z" | 18:31 |
| elfy | aah ok | 18:32 |
| knome | that should be just a placeholder though | 18:32 |
| knome | but basically, when we send call for testing | 18:32 |
| elfy | so then how do we add things to that place | 18:32 |
| knome | we should point to both iso.qa... and packages.qa... | 18:33 |
| knome | (ideally) | 18:33 |
| elfy | everything about ubuntu QA is ridiculously convoluted | 18:33 |
| knome | so, on packages.qa... we have the abiword product sitting ready | 18:33 |
| elfy | ok - so let's add abiword to it now then :) | 18:33 |
| knome | sorry, abiword testsuite :) | 18:33 |
| knome | http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/328/edit | 18:34 |
| knome | and it has the abiword testcase | 18:34 |
| knome | so what you need to do now is actually ask balloons to make that visible | 18:34 |
| knome | same with any other testsuite you want visible | 18:34 |
| elfy | oh right - so after all that we can't actually do anything | 18:35 |
| knome | no, not us mortals | 18:35 |
| knome | except | 18:35 |
| knome | we should get some products up | 18:35 |
| knome | after that we would have more power | 18:35 |
| elfy | :) | 18:35 |
| knome | but it's not completely clear how we're going to organize that | 18:35 |
| elfy | nope | 18:35 |
| knome | but i'm working on it with balloons | 18:35 |
| elfy | ok | 18:35 |
| knome | i hope everything is a bit more clear for the 14.04 testing | 18:36 |
| elfy | what I really want to do is have all this basework ready for 14.04 | 18:36 |
| elfy | snap lol | 18:36 |
| knome | so anyway, to defend the different URLs... | 18:36 |
| knome | it does make sense to have the iso testing and package testing separated | 18:36 |
| elfy | I can see why wwe have iso and package | 18:36 |
| elfy | that's not my gripe | 18:36 |
| knome | there are other subdomains too | 18:36 |
| knome | (xubuntu just doesn't need them, fortunately) | 18:36 |
| knome | we should ask balloons what his idea is | 18:37 |
| elfy | my gripe is that there is nowhere you can see what to do to get things done - seems that QA is working from the middle backwards and forwards at the same time | 18:37 |
| knome | sure | 18:37 |
| knome | the ISO tests live a bit different life anyway | 18:38 |
| elfy | :) | 18:38 |
| knome | there's a peak around milestones | 18:38 |
| elfy | yea | 18:38 |
| knome | for package tests, we should rather have cadence testing | 18:38 |
| knome | and as i said, package tests are DE-agnostic | 18:38 |
| elfy | I was expecting an easy way to say get people to test 'this' now | 18:38 |
| knome | we could set up a wiki page that lists stuff we want people to test | 18:38 |
| elfy | mmm | 18:39 |
| knome | and simply send an email saying "milestone X testing is coming, dates are Y and Z, look at wiki_url to see what we need to test" | 18:39 |
| knome | so you wouldn't need to go through it every time | 18:39 |
| elfy | so - get EVERYTHING on the package tracker then do the real work for us on a wiki | 18:39 |
| knome | just update the wiki when we add new tests | 18:39 |
| elfy | that makes sense | 18:39 |
| knome | every package | 18:39 |
| knome | and every iso on the iso tracker | 18:40 |
| knome | (as we have) | 18:40 |
| knome | i think the hurdle here is making people acknowledge there is a package tracker | 18:40 |
| elfy | :) | 18:40 |
| knome | i suppose many think ISO testing is the one thing we need to do | 18:40 |
| elfy | yep | 18:40 |
| knome | and so far, that's pretty much what we have been doing | 18:40 |
| knome | now we need to extend - and we happen to have a different place for those different kind of tests | 18:41 |
| knome | brb | 18:41 |
| elfy | k | 18:41 |
| elfy | so - place to start would be to ask again for the team to add bugs for tests that we don't have one for yet - so we can work towards getting evrything done in time to get all this structure in place | 18:42 |
| knome | yup | 18:45 |
| knome | and start building the wiki page | 18:45 |
| elfy | right | 18:45 |
| elfy | something solid I can get hold of then as long as people reply :) | 18:46 |
| elfy | I'll do that request again to the list for packages we want tests for | 18:46 |
| knome | sure | 18:46 |
| elfy | I don't think there will be 'much' to add to our list | 18:47 |
| elfy | as far as the wiki is concerned I'd not envisage it being much more than a list of names - package.qa urls and somewhere to 'tick' if we want it testing | 18:48 |
| knome | sure | 18:49 |
| knome | simple is good | 18:49 |
| elfy | k - well I'm on a 7 day weekend soon so will start working on that | 18:50 |
| knome | cool | 18:55 |
| elfy | ok - done the mail now, once we've got that covered we're in a good place - once the tests are written it'll be a better place :) | 19:02 |
| knome | i just updated http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/#testing | 19:05 |
| elfy | thanks - saw the update immediately :) | 19:08 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/PackagesList | 19:08 |
| elfy | when I create this ... | 19:08 |
| elfy | you read my mind :p | 19:09 |
| knome | https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-testers is also updated | 19:09 |
| elfy | and did a bit more :) | 19:09 |
| knome | good to have it all sorted out | 19:10 |
| elfy | cool - so that's the 'circle' created - just need the detail now :) | 19:10 |
| knome | want to enable you to be able to do things rather than wondering about things :D | 19:10 |
| elfy | :) | 19:10 |
| knome | anyway, bbl | 19:10 |
| knome | have fun :) | 19:10 |
| elfy | yep - cya - thanks knome :) | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | nothing interesting tutorial-wise this afternoon, so if the wifi holds up gonna try to have a look at the flier | 20:24 |
| knome | pleia2, heh | 20:30 |
| knome | is the voyager linux developer now pointing people to #xubuntu automatically? (nick voyager79) | 22:02 |
| Unit193 | Let me check. | 22:06 |
| knome | i tried to, but didn't found anything | 22:06 |
| Unit193 | I'm actually checking the ISO itself. | 22:12 |
| knome | ah, oki | 22:12 |
| rowboatnick | just spent hours on making an ldm greeter with a virtual assistant that could tell you things about the system, when it hit me: "thats useless, people want to login" | 22:12 |
| rowboatnick | ops | 22:12 |
| knome | i wouldn't be surprised if that was the case actually. | 22:13 |
| rowboatnick | was going for -offtopic | 22:13 |
| Unit193 | Sooo, ##ubuntu-voyager, #VoyagerOS, or #voyager? :P | 22:14 |
| knome | huh? | 22:14 |
| Noskcaj | Since we ship gThumb, should we be worried by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=711827 | 22:15 |
| ubottu | Debian bug 711827 in wnpp "RFA: gthumb -- image viewer and browser" [Normal,Open] | 22:15 |
| knome | we still have ristretto | 22:16 |
| skellat | RFA...Request for Adoption | 22:16 |
| knome | sure, that's not quite as what gthumb is | 22:16 |
| skellat | Still waiting for bugs.d.o to open | 22:16 |
| skellat | Okay | 22:18 |
| skellat | Noskcaj: An RFA bug is when a Debian Maintainer wants to stop being the maintainer for a package | 22:18 |
| Noskcaj | i know | 22:18 |
| skellat | There hasn't been a new version for a while of gthumb in Debian | 22:18 |
| skellat | Gotta look at upstream to see what they're doing with it: https://wiki.gnome.org/gthumb | 22:18 |
| skellat | The mailing list to it looks a little quiet but a new version was released by upstream: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gthumb-list/2013-July/msg00000.html | 22:20 |
| Unit193 | Meh, their ubiquity is unchanged, so not getting the nick from that. | 22:23 |
| xnox | hm? | 22:23 |
| Unit193 | xnox: Howdy, nothing related to you, don't worry. :P | 22:24 |
| micahg | Noskcaj: care to adopt? | 22:24 |
| skellat | Noskcaj: The Debian package QA page has a better set of details: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gthumb.html | 22:24 |
| * skellat is ready to cheer for Noskcaj if he adopts gthumb | 22:26 | |
| * micahg is thinking to Make Xubuntu dev the maintainer of gthumb... | 22:26 | |
| ochosi | hey micahg | 22:26 |
| pleia2 | huh, gthumb has more features than I noticed | 22:27 |
| knome | pleia2, heh | 22:29 |
| * skellat goes back to reading the log that needs reading: irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/23/%23ubuntu-mir.html | 22:32 | |
| pleia2 | are we fixed yet? :) | 22:33 |
| skellat | pleia2: See: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/23/%23ubuntu-mir.html#t05:46 | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | skellat: btw, thanks for keeping an eye on this, much appreciated | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | Hah. | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | skellat: You don't hang out in there? | 22:34 |
| pleia2 | good golly | 22:34 |
| Unit193 | Hah, you saw that comment too? I didn't make any comments on it. :P | 22:35 |
| skellat | Unit193: Nope. Trying to avoid "observation effect" cropping up. | 22:36 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: fixed the link to the flyers, thanks for the heads up | 22:57 |
| knome | who needs links to flyers | 23:01 |
| knome | :P | 23:01 |
| knome | you're not worthy enough to see the wikipage if you can't find it | 23:01 |
| knome | (just kidding) | 23:01 |
| * pleia2 kicks knome off the welcome wagon | 23:01 | |
| knome | hahah | 23:02 |
| knome | :) | 23:02 |
| pleia2 | scaring people off | 23:02 |
| pleia2 | :) | 23:02 |
| knome | you're just promising i don't have to do any PR work... | 23:02 |
| pleia2 | oh, I owe you a wiki page | 23:02 |
| knome | which one then? | 23:02 |
| pleia2 | xubuntu at... | 23:02 |
| knome | heh, that's true | 23:02 |
| pleia2 | I think I'm going to bail from here after the expo hall opens, had my fill of people :) | 23:02 |
| knome | heh | 23:02 |
| knome | ++ | 23:03 |
| pleia2 | should have time at hotel after finding food | 23:03 |
| knome | food is good | 23:03 |
| knome | micahg, if we maintain gthumb, does that mean i can send you feature requests? :P | 23:07 |
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| micahg | knome: sure, and I'll do what every other maintainer does, fwd them upstream | 23:14 |
| knome | ;)= | 23:16 |
| Unit193 | Sure. | 23:37 |
| knome | duh. | 23:43 |
| knome | i thought i had covered all the links in the wiki | 23:44 |
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