[00:18] hrm, are we not in for alpha 2? [00:19] ochosi: gtk indicator support was gone in 12.10 IIRC [00:19] if something is broke, we need to fix it [00:39] micahg: We should be in A2 [00:39] micahg: If we're not, somebody from Xubuntu Release Team needs to fire off e-mails [00:40] skellat: yes, someone does :) [00:42] RELEASE TEAM: knome bluesabre elfy forestpiskie mr_pouit --- Somebody needs to please go into #ubuntu-release and ask nicely that an Alpha 2 build be spun up for us and also send an e-mail on the relevant list for good measure please. [06:08] skellat: I messaged #xubuntu-release. If you know any relevant docs or wiki pages (or processes) on what else I should do, please point me in the right direction. :-) [06:08] I mean #ubuntu-release [06:09] thanks bluesabre I just caught that message - I'll ignore it now [06:10] elfy: not sure who else or what else I should do, so if you're more seasoned, please pick up where I left off [06:11] nope - I got put in the release team a month before you ;) [06:12] cool, hopefully knome or mr_pouit mrpouit show up then :) [06:12] :) [12:34] looks like we're getting some magazine moolah soonish [13:06] cool [15:34] bluesabre: No real documentation. Just keep an eye on #ubuntu-release and be subscribed to their mailing list. [15:35] bluesabre: Good news from in-channel discussion is everybody is getting re-spun due to borked kernels [17:06] alpha2 is now rebuilding [17:18] knome: the next thing I need to work out is how to add a testcase so it shows for people to report against [17:26] elfy: please make sure our builds have the fixed kernel before people start testing (see backscroll in -release) [17:27] micahg: this bit? elfy: there you go ^ note that those are broken and you'll need to respin once we get the new kernel+d-i in the release pocket (or infinity will just respin everyone) [17:27] yes [17:28] micahg: so I should mark as disabled on trackker for the moment? [17:28] please [17:29] unless you want to field questions about kernel breakage ;) [17:29] mmmm - think I'll give that a miss :p [17:30] marked them as disabled but nothing seems to have changed ... can you look here and see what it looks like to you please = http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds [17:31] doing it the long hand way ... [17:33] micahg: though I'd love some way of knowing when it's got the new kernel too [17:33] elfy: I'd suggest idling in -release to watch when stuff happens [17:38] elfy, have you figured out the alpha2 stuff with stgraber? [17:39] elfy, i can go through the testcase stuff in a minute if you are around [17:44] micahg: thought so :) [17:44] knome: got alpha2 stuff sorted yep [17:44] knome: half way through cooking atm - so not just yet [17:45] ok, just ping me then [17:45] ta :) [17:57] elfy: hugs [18:17] pleia2: thanks :) [18:17] knome: I'm about now - whenever you've got time [18:18] elfy, sure, just a sec [18:18] no rush - I'm about for a couple of hours tonight [18:22] elfy, let me get on a same page with you - do you want to add a test from the repository to the tracker, or want to make a test in the tracker visible for users? [18:22] want to know how to add a test so it's visible in tracker for us to ask people to test 'things' [18:23] you wanted an abiword one for instance [18:23] elfy, ok. do you know if the test is in the tracker and just hidden, or if it's only in the repositories? [18:26] the abiword test is in http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites if that's what you mean [18:26] yes, that is what i was after :) [18:27] so - what I want to know then is how to get that to show on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/49654/testcases for instance [18:27] no way [18:27] the package tests will always be in packages.qa.... [18:28] mmm [18:28] so how do we get them tested? [18:28] just point people to the packages tracker :) [18:29] mmm [18:29] (it runs the same software, and if you're familiar with iso.qa... you should be fine with packages.qa....) [18:29] so basically [18:29] not sure you're getting what I am after then [18:29] we have a testsuite for abiword already [18:29] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/49654/testcases [18:29] go there [18:29] a week or two ago there was a test there for parole [18:30] sure, because that was added in the iso tracker [18:30] so then [18:30] we could still do that, but because package tests are DE-agnostic, we should add them under packages. [18:30] I'm obviously not making myself plain here [18:30] you are. [18:30] how can we ask people to test things [18:30] i totally understand what you are saying [18:31] we tell them to log in to packages.qa.ubuntu.com and tell them to test X, Y and Z packages [18:31] then I see no reason at all for writing testcases - we've got no way of asking people to test things and report [18:31] well, what we *can* do [18:31] is create a new testcase for the xubuntu post-installation testsuite [18:31] that says "go to packages.qa... and test X, Y, Z" [18:32] aah ok [18:32] that should be just a placeholder though [18:32] but basically, when we send call for testing [18:32] so then how do we add things to that place [18:33] we should point to both iso.qa... and packages.qa... [18:33] (ideally) [18:33] everything about ubuntu QA is ridiculously convoluted [18:33] so, on packages.qa... we have the abiword product sitting ready [18:33] ok - so let's add abiword to it now then :) [18:33] sorry, abiword testsuite :) [18:34] http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/328/edit [18:34] and it has the abiword testcase [18:34] so what you need to do now is actually ask balloons to make that visible [18:34] same with any other testsuite you want visible [18:35] oh right - so after all that we can't actually do anything [18:35] no, not us mortals [18:35] except [18:35] we should get some products up [18:35] after that we would have more power [18:35] :) [18:35] but it's not completely clear how we're going to organize that [18:35] nope [18:35] but i'm working on it with balloons [18:35] ok [18:36] i hope everything is a bit more clear for the 14.04 testing [18:36] what I really want to do is have all this basework ready for 14.04 [18:36] snap lol [18:36] so anyway, to defend the different URLs... [18:36] it does make sense to have the iso testing and package testing separated [18:36] I can see why wwe have iso and package [18:36] that's not my gripe [18:36] there are other subdomains too [18:36] (xubuntu just doesn't need them, fortunately) [18:37] we should ask balloons what his idea is [18:37] my gripe is that there is nowhere you can see what to do to get things done - seems that QA is working from the middle backwards and forwards at the same time [18:37] sure [18:38] the ISO tests live a bit different life anyway [18:38] :) [18:38] there's a peak around milestones [18:38] yea [18:38] for package tests, we should rather have cadence testing [18:38] and as i said, package tests are DE-agnostic [18:38] I was expecting an easy way to say get people to test 'this' now [18:38] we could set up a wiki page that lists stuff we want people to test [18:39] mmm [18:39] and simply send an email saying "milestone X testing is coming, dates are Y and Z, look at wiki_url to see what we need to test" [18:39] so you wouldn't need to go through it every time [18:39] so - get EVERYTHING on the package tracker then do the real work for us on a wiki [18:39] just update the wiki when we add new tests [18:39] that makes sense [18:39] every package [18:40] and every iso on the iso tracker [18:40] (as we have) [18:40] i think the hurdle here is making people acknowledge there is a package tracker [18:40] :) [18:40] i suppose many think ISO testing is the one thing we need to do [18:40] yep [18:40] and so far, that's pretty much what we have been doing [18:41] now we need to extend - and we happen to have a different place for those different kind of tests [18:41] brb [18:41] k [18:42] so - place to start would be to ask again for the team to add bugs for tests that we don't have one for yet - so we can work towards getting evrything done in time to get all this structure in place [18:45] yup [18:45] and start building the wiki page [18:45] right [18:46] something solid I can get hold of then as long as people reply :) [18:46] I'll do that request again to the list for packages we want tests for [18:46] sure [18:47] I don't think there will be 'much' to add to our list [18:48] as far as the wiki is concerned I'd not envisage it being much more than a list of names - package.qa urls and somewhere to 'tick' if we want it testing [18:49] sure [18:49] simple is good [18:50] k - well I'm on a 7 day weekend soon so will start working on that [18:55] cool [19:02] ok - done the mail now, once we've got that covered we're in a good place - once the tests are written it'll be a better place :) [19:05] i just updated http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/#testing [19:08] thanks - saw the update immediately :) [19:08] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/PackagesList [19:08] when I create this ... [19:09] you read my mind :p [19:09] https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-testers is also updated [19:09] and did a bit more :) [19:10] good to have it all sorted out [19:10] cool - so that's the 'circle' created - just need the detail now :) [19:10] want to enable you to be able to do things rather than wondering about things :D [19:10] :) [19:10] anyway, bbl [19:10] have fun :) [19:10] yep - cya - thanks knome :) [20:24] nothing interesting tutorial-wise this afternoon, so if the wifi holds up gonna try to have a look at the flier [20:30] pleia2, heh [22:02] is the voyager linux developer now pointing people to #xubuntu automatically? (nick voyager79) [22:06] Let me check. [22:06] i tried to, but didn't found anything [22:12] I'm actually checking the ISO itself. [22:12] ah, oki [22:12] just spent hours on making an ldm greeter with a virtual assistant that could tell you things about the system, when it hit me: "thats useless, people want to login" [22:12] ops [22:13] i wouldn't be surprised if that was the case actually. [22:13] was going for -offtopic [22:14] Sooo, ##ubuntu-voyager, #VoyagerOS, or #voyager? :P [22:14] huh? [22:15] Since we ship gThumb, should we be worried by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=711827 [22:15] Debian bug 711827 in wnpp "RFA: gthumb -- image viewer and browser" [Normal,Open] [22:16] we still have ristretto [22:16] RFA...Request for Adoption [22:16] sure, that's not quite as what gthumb is [22:16] Still waiting for bugs.d.o to open [22:18] Okay [22:18] Noskcaj: An RFA bug is when a Debian Maintainer wants to stop being the maintainer for a package [22:18] i know [22:18] There hasn't been a new version for a while of gthumb in Debian [22:18] Gotta look at upstream to see what they're doing with it: https://wiki.gnome.org/gthumb [22:20] The mailing list to it looks a little quiet but a new version was released by upstream: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gthumb-list/2013-July/msg00000.html [22:23] Meh, their ubiquity is unchanged, so not getting the nick from that. [22:23] hm? [22:24] xnox: Howdy, nothing related to you, don't worry. :P [22:24] Noskcaj: care to adopt? [22:24] Noskcaj: The Debian package QA page has a better set of details: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gthumb.html [22:26] * skellat is ready to cheer for Noskcaj if he adopts gthumb [22:26] * micahg is thinking to Make Xubuntu dev the maintainer of gthumb... [22:26] hey micahg [22:27] huh, gthumb has more features than I noticed [22:29] pleia2, heh [22:32] * skellat goes back to reading the log that needs reading: irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/23/%23ubuntu-mir.html [22:33] are we fixed yet? :) [22:34] pleia2: See: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/23/%23ubuntu-mir.html#t05:46 [22:34] skellat: btw, thanks for keeping an eye on this, much appreciated [22:34] Hah. [22:34] skellat: You don't hang out in there? [22:34] good golly [22:35] Hah, you saw that comment too? I didn't make any comments on it. :P [22:36] Unit193: Nope. Trying to avoid "observation effect" cropping up. [22:57] Unit193: fixed the link to the flyers, thanks for the heads up [23:01] who needs links to flyers [23:01] :P [23:01] you're not worthy enough to see the wikipage if you can't find it [23:01] (just kidding) [23:01] * pleia2 kicks knome off the welcome wagon [23:02] hahah [23:02] :) [23:02] scaring people off [23:02] :) [23:02] you're just promising i don't have to do any PR work... [23:02] oh, I owe you a wiki page [23:02] which one then? [23:02] xubuntu at... [23:02] heh, that's true [23:02] I think I'm going to bail from here after the expo hall opens, had my fill of people :) [23:02] heh [23:03] ++ [23:03] should have time at hotel after finding food [23:03] food is good [23:07] micahg, if we maintain gthumb, does that mean i can send you feature requests? :P === GNUdru1 is now known as GNUdru [23:14] knome: sure, and I'll do what every other maintainer does, fwd them upstream [23:16] ;)= [23:37] Sure. [23:43] duh. [23:44] i thought i had covered all the links in the wiki