[00:18] <micahg> hrm, are we not in for alpha 2?
[00:19] <micahg> ochosi: gtk indicator support was gone in 12.10 IIRC
[00:19] <micahg> if something is broke, we need to fix it
[00:39] <skellat> micahg: We should be in A2
[00:39] <skellat> micahg: If we're not, somebody from Xubuntu Release Team needs to fire off e-mails
[00:40] <micahg> skellat: yes, someone does :)
[00:42] <skellat> RELEASE TEAM: knome bluesabre elfy forestpiskie mr_pouit --- Somebody needs to please go into #ubuntu-release and ask nicely that an Alpha 2 build be spun up for us and also send an e-mail on the relevant list for good measure please.
[06:08] <bluesabre> skellat: I messaged #xubuntu-release.  If you know any relevant docs or wiki pages (or processes) on what else I should do, please point me in the right direction. :-)
[06:08] <bluesabre> I mean #ubuntu-release
[06:09] <elfy> thanks bluesabre I just caught that message - I'll ignore it now
[06:10] <bluesabre> elfy: not sure who else or what else I should do, so if you're more seasoned, please pick up where I left off
[06:11] <elfy> nope - I got put in the release team a month before you ;)
[06:12] <bluesabre> cool, hopefully knome or mr_pouit  mrpouit show up then :)
[06:12] <elfy> :)
[12:34] <knome> looks like we're getting some magazine moolah soonish
[13:06] <lderan> cool
[15:34] <skellat> bluesabre: No real documentation.  Just keep an eye on #ubuntu-release and be subscribed to their mailing list.
[15:35] <skellat> bluesabre: Good news from in-channel discussion is everybody is getting re-spun due to borked kernels
[17:06] <elfy> alpha2 is now rebuilding 
[17:18] <elfy> knome: the next thing I need to work out is how to add a testcase so it shows for people to report against 
[17:26] <micahg> elfy: please make sure our builds have the fixed kernel before people start testing (see backscroll in -release)
[17:27] <elfy> micahg: this bit? elfy: there you go ^ note that those are broken and you'll need to respin once we get the new kernel+d-i in the release pocket (or infinity will just respin everyone)
[17:27] <micahg> yes
[17:28] <elfy> micahg: so I should mark as disabled on trackker for the moment? 
[17:28] <micahg> please
[17:29] <micahg> unless you want to field questions about kernel breakage ;)
[17:29] <elfy> mmmm - think I'll give that a miss :p
[17:30] <elfy> marked them as disabled but nothing seems to have changed ... can you look here and see what it looks like to you please = http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds
[17:31] <elfy> doing it the long hand way ... 
[17:33] <elfy> micahg: though I'd love some way of knowing when it's got the new kernel too 
[17:33] <micahg> elfy: I'd suggest idling in -release to watch when stuff happens
[17:38] <knome> elfy, have you figured out the alpha2 stuff with stgraber?
[17:39] <knome> elfy, i can go through the testcase stuff in a minute if you are around
[17:44] <elfy> micahg: thought so :)
[17:44] <elfy> knome: got alpha2 stuff sorted yep 
[17:44] <elfy> knome: half way through cooking atm - so not just yet
[17:45] <knome> ok, just ping me then
[17:45] <elfy> ta :)
[17:57] <pleia2> elfy: hugs
[18:17] <elfy> pleia2: thanks :)
[18:17] <elfy> knome: I'm about now - whenever you've got time
[18:18] <knome> elfy, sure, just a sec
[18:18] <elfy> no rush - I'm about for a couple of hours tonight
[18:22] <knome> elfy, let me get on a same page with you - do you want to add a test from the repository to the tracker, or want to make a test in the tracker visible for users?
[18:22] <elfy> want to know how to add a test so it's visible in tracker for us to ask people to test 'things'
[18:23] <elfy> you wanted an abiword one for instance 
[18:23] <knome> elfy, ok. do you know if the test is in the tracker and just hidden, or if it's only in the repositories?
[18:26] <elfy> the abiword test is in http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites if that's what you mean
[18:26] <knome> yes, that is what i was after :)
[18:27] <elfy> so - what I want to know then is how to get that to show on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/49654/testcases for instance
[18:27] <knome> no way
[18:27] <knome> the package tests will always be in packages.qa....
[18:28] <elfy> mmm
[18:28] <elfy> so how do we get them tested? 
[18:28] <knome> just point people to the packages tracker :)
[18:29] <elfy> mmm
[18:29] <knome> (it runs the same software, and if you're familiar with iso.qa... you should be fine with packages.qa....)
[18:29] <knome> so basically
[18:29] <elfy> not sure you're getting what I am after then
[18:29] <knome> we have a testsuite for abiword already
[18:29] <elfy> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/270/builds/49654/testcases
[18:29] <elfy> go there
[18:29] <elfy> a week or two ago there was a test there for parole
[18:30] <knome> sure, because that was added in the iso tracker
[18:30] <elfy> so then
[18:30] <knome> we could still do that, but because package tests are DE-agnostic, we should add them under packages.
[18:30] <elfy> I'm obviously not making myself plain here
[18:30] <knome> you are.
[18:30] <elfy> how can we ask people to test things
[18:30] <knome> i totally understand what you are saying
[18:31] <knome> we tell them to log in to packages.qa.ubuntu.com and tell them to test X, Y and Z packages
[18:31] <elfy> then I see no reason at all for writing testcases - we've got no way of asking people to test things and report 
[18:31] <knome> well, what we *can* do
[18:31] <knome> is create a new testcase for the xubuntu post-installation testsuite
[18:31] <knome> that says "go to packages.qa... and test X, Y, Z"
[18:32] <elfy> aah ok 
[18:32] <knome> that should be just a placeholder though
[18:32] <knome> but basically, when we send call for testing
[18:32] <elfy> so then how do we add things to that place
[18:33] <knome> we should point to both iso.qa... and packages.qa...
[18:33] <knome> (ideally)
[18:33] <elfy> everything about ubuntu QA is ridiculously convoluted
[18:33] <knome> so, on packages.qa... we have the abiword product sitting ready
[18:33] <elfy> ok - so let's add abiword to it now then :)
[18:33] <knome> sorry, abiword testsuite :)
[18:34] <knome> http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/328/edit
[18:34] <knome> and it has the abiword testcase
[18:34] <knome> so what you need to do now is actually ask balloons to make that visible
[18:34] <knome> same with any other testsuite you want visible
[18:35] <elfy> oh right - so after all that we can't actually do anything 
[18:35] <knome> no, not us mortals
[18:35] <knome> except
[18:35] <knome> we should get some products up
[18:35] <knome> after that we would have more power
[18:35] <elfy> :)
[18:35] <knome> but it's not completely clear how we're going to organize that
[18:35] <elfy> nope
[18:35] <knome> but i'm working on it with balloons
[18:35] <elfy> ok 
[18:36] <knome> i hope everything is a bit more clear for the 14.04 testing
[18:36] <elfy> what I really want to do is have all this basework ready for 14.04
[18:36] <elfy> snap lol
[18:36] <knome> so anyway, to defend the different URLs...
[18:36] <knome> it does make sense to have the iso testing and package testing separated
[18:36] <elfy> I can see why wwe have iso and package
[18:36] <elfy> that's not my gripe 
[18:36] <knome> there are other subdomains too
[18:36] <knome> (xubuntu just doesn't need them, fortunately)
[18:37] <knome> we should ask balloons what his idea is
[18:37] <elfy> my gripe is that there is nowhere you can see what to do to get things done - seems that QA is working from the middle backwards and forwards at the same time 
[18:37] <knome> sure
[18:38] <knome> the ISO tests live a bit different life anyway
[18:38] <elfy> :)
[18:38] <knome> there's a peak around milestones
[18:38] <elfy> yea
[18:38] <knome> for package tests, we should rather have cadence testing
[18:38] <knome> and as i said, package tests are DE-agnostic
[18:38] <elfy> I was expecting an easy way to say get people to test 'this' now 
[18:38] <knome> we could set up a wiki page that lists stuff we want people to test
[18:39] <elfy> mmm
[18:39] <knome> and simply send an email saying "milestone X testing is coming, dates are Y and Z, look at wiki_url to see what we need to test"
[18:39] <knome> so you wouldn't need to go through it every time
[18:39] <elfy> so - get EVERYTHING on the package tracker then do the real work for us on a wiki
[18:39] <knome> just update the wiki when we add new tests
[18:39] <elfy> that makes sense
[18:39] <knome> every package
[18:40] <knome> and every iso on the iso tracker
[18:40] <knome> (as we have)
[18:40] <knome> i think the hurdle here is making people acknowledge there is a package tracker
[18:40] <elfy> :)
[18:40] <knome> i suppose many think ISO testing is the one thing we need to do
[18:40] <elfy> yep 
[18:40] <knome> and so far, that's pretty much what we have been doing
[18:41] <knome> now we need to extend - and we happen to have a different place for those different kind of tests
[18:41] <knome> brb
[18:41] <elfy> k
[18:42] <elfy> so - place to start would be to ask again for the team to add bugs for tests that we don't have one for yet - so we can work towards getting evrything done in time to get all this structure in place
[18:45] <knome> yup
[18:45] <knome> and start building the wiki page
[18:45] <elfy> right 
[18:46] <elfy> something solid I can get hold of then as long as people reply :)
[18:46] <elfy> I'll do that request again to the list for packages we want tests for 
[18:46] <knome> sure
[18:47] <elfy> I don't think there will be 'much' to add to our list 
[18:48] <elfy> as far as the wiki is concerned I'd not envisage it being much more than a list of names - package.qa urls and somewhere to 'tick' if we want it testing 
[18:49] <knome> sure
[18:49] <knome> simple is good
[18:50] <elfy> k - well I'm on a 7 day weekend soon so will start working on that 
[18:55] <knome> cool
[19:02] <elfy> ok - done the mail now,  once we've got that covered we're in a good place - once the tests are written it'll be a better place :)
[19:05] <knome> i just updated http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/#testing
[19:08] <elfy> thanks - saw the update immediately :)
[19:08] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/PackagesList
[19:08] <elfy> when I create this ... 
[19:09] <elfy> you read my mind :p
[19:09] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-testers is also updated
[19:09] <elfy> and did a bit more :)
[19:10] <knome> good to have it all sorted out
[19:10] <elfy> cool - so that's the 'circle' created - just need the detail now :)
[19:10] <knome> want to enable you to be able to do things rather than wondering about things :D
[19:10] <elfy> :)
[19:10] <knome> anyway, bbl
[19:10] <knome> have fun :)
[19:10] <elfy> yep - cya - thanks knome :)
[20:24] <pleia2> nothing interesting tutorial-wise this afternoon, so if the wifi holds up gonna try to have a look at the flier
[20:30] <knome> pleia2, heh
[22:02] <knome> is the voyager linux developer now pointing people to #xubuntu automatically? (nick voyager79)
[22:06] <Unit193> Let me check.
[22:06] <knome> i tried to, but didn't found anything
[22:12] <Unit193> I'm actually checking the ISO itself.
[22:12] <knome> ah, oki
[22:12] <rowboatnick> just spent hours on making an ldm greeter with a virtual assistant that could tell you things about the system, when it hit me: "thats useless, people want to login" 
[22:12] <rowboatnick> ops
[22:13] <knome> i wouldn't be surprised if that was the case actually.
[22:13] <rowboatnick> was going for -offtopic
[22:14] <Unit193> Sooo, ##ubuntu-voyager, #VoyagerOS, or #voyager? :P
[22:14] <knome> huh?
[22:15] <Noskcaj> Since we ship gThumb, should we be worried by http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=711827
[22:16] <knome> we still have ristretto
[22:16] <skellat> RFA...Request for Adoption
[22:16] <knome> sure, that's not quite as what gthumb is
[22:16] <skellat> Still waiting for bugs.d.o to open
[22:18] <skellat> Okay
[22:18] <skellat> Noskcaj: An RFA bug is when a Debian Maintainer wants to stop being the maintainer for a package
[22:18] <Noskcaj> i know
[22:18] <skellat> There hasn't been a new version for a while of gthumb in Debian
[22:18] <skellat> Gotta look at upstream to see what they're doing with it: https://wiki.gnome.org/gthumb
[22:20] <skellat> The mailing list to it looks a little quiet but a new version was released by upstream: https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gthumb-list/2013-July/msg00000.html
[22:23] <Unit193> Meh, their ubiquity is unchanged, so not getting the nick from that.
[22:23] <xnox> hm?
[22:24] <Unit193> xnox: Howdy, nothing related to you, don't worry. :P
[22:24] <micahg> Noskcaj: care to adopt?
[22:24] <skellat> Noskcaj: The Debian package QA page has a better set of details: http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gthumb.html
[22:26]  * skellat is ready to cheer for Noskcaj if he adopts gthumb
[22:26]  * micahg is thinking to Make Xubuntu dev the maintainer of gthumb...
[22:26] <ochosi> hey micahg 
[22:27] <pleia2> huh, gthumb has more features than I noticed
[22:29] <knome> pleia2, heh
[22:32]  * skellat goes back to reading the log that needs reading: irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/23/%23ubuntu-mir.html
[22:33] <pleia2> are we fixed yet? :)
[22:34] <skellat> pleia2: See: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/23/%23ubuntu-mir.html#t05:46
[22:34] <pleia2> skellat: btw, thanks for keeping an eye on this, much appreciated
[22:34] <Unit193> Hah.
[22:34] <Unit193> skellat: You don't hang out in there?
[22:34] <pleia2> good golly
[22:35] <Unit193> Hah, you saw that comment too?  I didn't make any comments on it. :P
[22:36] <skellat> Unit193: Nope.  Trying to avoid "observation effect" cropping up.
[22:57] <pleia2> Unit193: fixed the link to the flyers, thanks for the heads up
[23:01] <knome> who needs links to flyers
[23:01] <knome> :P
[23:01] <knome> you're not worthy enough to see the wikipage if you can't find it
[23:01] <knome> (just kidding)
[23:01]  * pleia2 kicks knome off the welcome wagon
[23:02] <knome> hahah
[23:02] <knome> :)
[23:02] <pleia2> scaring people off
[23:02] <pleia2> :)
[23:02] <knome> you're just promising i don't have to do any PR work...
[23:02] <pleia2> oh, I owe you a wiki page
[23:02] <knome> which one then?
[23:02] <pleia2> xubuntu at...
[23:02] <knome> heh, that's true
[23:02] <pleia2> I think I'm going to bail from here after the expo hall opens, had my fill of people :)
[23:02] <knome> heh
[23:03] <knome> ++
[23:03] <pleia2> should have time at hotel after finding food
[23:03] <knome> food is good
[23:07] <knome> micahg, if we maintain gthumb, does that mean i can send you feature requests? :P
[23:14] <micahg> knome: sure, and I'll do what every other maintainer does, fwd them upstream
[23:16] <knome> ;)=
[23:37] <Unit193> Sure.
[23:43] <knome> duh.
[23:44] <knome> i thought i had covered all the links in the wiki