[00:32] <ScottK> Riddell: So plasma-widget-menubar only works on Qt stuff now?
[01:23] <ScottK> I just removed menubar.
[01:25] <ScottK> I think "here's a U/I widget, but only use it if you know that the app is written in Qt/KDE" is not user friendly.
[03:18] <ScottK> Riddell: owncloud done.  precise had 5.0.4, not 5.0.7, but I accepted it on the theory that it was progress.  Please let me know if that was wrong and either upload the newer one or I'll remove it.
[07:07] <jussi> Hrm, I have 2 minor feature improvements for system settings. anyone want to listen to me or shall I make a bug report that will get ignored for all time? :D (yes yes, Ill make the bug report, but I feel like talking to someone  :D) 
[07:15] <Noskcaj> jussi, speak anyone
[07:15] <Noskcaj> *anyway
[07:16] <jussi> :D
[07:53] <valorie> jussi, what improvements?
[08:13] <agateau> xnox: ping
[08:25] <jussi> valorie: make the icon/theme example picture clickable(in system settiings applications appearance, get more themes), so one can quickly see more detail without clicking through tot he web page. second, filter out those themes which do not have local hosted files, as to get rid of that html file download. (its very frustrating not being able to install stuff that is listed there)
[08:31] <Quintasan> \o
[08:33] <jussi> heya Quintasan
[08:34] <Quintasan> jussi:  sup?
[08:35] <jussi> not much, at work, trying to get thigns done
[08:35] <jussi> the normal
[08:42] <xnox> agateau: pong =)  but note i might be leaving soon.
[08:45] <agateau> xnox: ok :) quick question: I am working on writing a Kubuntu version of ubi-wireless. Is it possible to test the whole thing in a VM?
[08:45] <xnox> agateau: not sure. the ubi-wireless for gtk, was tested/launched stand-alone, and simply talk to NM =) there is a script to just test the widget.
[08:46] <agateau> xnox: The only way i can think of right now is installing on a real machine, where I can toggle wireless on and off
[08:46] <xnox> agateau: i think VirtualBox allows creating a "wifi" device, not so sure about kvm.
[08:48] <agateau> xnox: oh ok, I need to look into this then (I use virtualbox)
[08:50] <agateau> xnox: i also ran the widget standalone, but I need to test the whole thing at some point :)
[08:51] <xnox> yeah. i am thinking to buy second laptop to do testing =)
[08:53] <debfx> I don't think you can create virtual wifi devices in virtualbox, except passing through real usb wifi adapters
[08:54] <xnox> I can't wait for qt5.1 to be in the archive and start looking into porting ubiquity to qml / desktop components =) 
[08:56] <apachelogger> yofel: did you ever backport cmake for neon?
[08:57] <yofel> kf5? no. I did backport it for neon4 precise once though
[08:59] <apachelogger> yes, but how did you handle that?
[08:59] <apachelogger> did you simply backport as-is? or did you fiddle to install it into /opt?
[09:10] <yofel> apachelogger: that was a straight backport of the next available version (we did the same for the backports too)
[09:17] <apachelogger> yofel: so for newer cmake in raring for kf5 a straight backport would be the way to go I reckon
[10:45] <Riddell> "Harald Sitter (apachelogger) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members (kubuntu-members) team" yay apachelogger still loves us!
[10:45] <Riddell> "Philip Muškovac (yofel) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Developers (kubuntu-dev) team" yay yofel still loves us!
[12:11] <jussi> Riddell: Im thinking to have some shirts made - Polo shirts cost 19,5 € per shirt with the Kubuntu logo. (if we order 50). That would make ~1000€. If we sell them at 25€+PP that makes us 300€.  I have the shop all ready to go , the shop costs are 0.90€ per transaction plus 3% if people pay by credit card. I have a feeling we can find cheaper shirts though, still doing more investigation into that. Over all though, does it sound like a 
[12:11] <jussi> good Idea? 
[12:12] <jussi> If we think its a good idea, I would like to request money from the kubuntu fund as seed capital, to buy the inital shirts. that money will then be paid back or used to buy more shirts or mugs or whatever. 
[12:13] <jussi> Only other thing I need to look into is VAT and how that would work. 
[12:18] <jussi> Riddell: alternately, a slightly lower quality and only tshirt would come out a lot cheaper - approximately 300€ for 50 shirts. 
[12:19] <jussi> (Kubuntu logo only on the front left chest, white)
[12:19] <jussi> Thats a current promotion -50%
[12:22] <agateau> Riddell: got some time to give https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity/kde-max-width/+merge/173744 and its sibling https://code.launchpad.net/~agateau/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/kde-max-width/+merge/173746 a bit of love?
[12:39] <Riddell> agateau: yeah I'll take a look shortly
[12:39] <agateau> Riddell: thanks
[12:40] <Riddell> jussi: sounds like an awesomeidea
[12:41] <jussi> Riddell: Ill do the investigation and sent results/my request to the kubuntu devel list - or is there some better way to move forward? 
[12:41] <Riddell> jussi: if they're sold by the kubuntu council I wouldn't worry about VAT, it's nowhere near the limit you need to care about it in the UK
[12:41] <jussi> Riddell: ahh yes, forgotten about that - its about 8k here also, so we dont have to worry
[12:42] <Riddell> jussi: that's a good way to go
[12:42] <Riddell> jussi: main thing that comes to mind is I don't have a good way of transfering money to the eurozone
[12:42] <jussi> Riddell: ok. I expect to have something done in the next few days
[12:42] <jussi> Riddell: a simple bank transfer would work, no? 
[12:43] <Riddell> jussi: it's not simple to transfer from Uk to eurozone in my experience
[12:43] <Riddell> jussi: but I have new online banking things here for the account, I'll try and get those working
[12:44] <jussi> Riddell: I beleive nowdays you only need the IBAN and maybe BIC codes. 
[12:44] <jussi> WHich I can supply you with both.
[12:45] <jussi> ALternately, if you have some sort of credit card, we can arrange that you just buy the stuff and have it sent here
[12:45] <Riddell> when I tried to send money earlier this year from my personal account it would have cost £25 from one bank, another bank was £8 so I used them which needed many bits of information and it didn't work the money got returned less a random transaction cost
[12:45] <Riddell> yeah that would work
[12:46] <jussi> ok, Ill do the homework. 
[12:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[12:47] <Riddell> hi BluesKaj able to do any alpha 2 testing? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds
[12:48] <Riddell> jussi: looking at the order of polo shirts for uds last year "It will be £12.50 per poloshirt which will be a total of £250.00 for 20 of them."
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Riddell, haven't been doing any dailiies since I'm updating /upgrading 13.10 most every day 
[12:49] <jussi> Riddell: yes, Ive just found this place that has them for 14.88€ - where did you order those? 
[12:49] <Riddell> which seems a lot cheaper, but postage to finland on top of that
[12:49] <Riddell> jussi: sports warehouse/superlogo in edinburgh
[12:49] <jussi> Riddell: ok
[12:49] <Riddell> they have a website, probably not a great one
[12:49] <jussi> Riddell: thats a nice reference point.
[12:50] <jussi> I will keep looking until I find a better deal than that :D
[12:51] <jussi> Riddell: was that logo on front only?
[12:51] <jussi> and can you send me a decent resolution logo?
[12:51] <Riddell> jussi: yes, sewn onto left brest
[12:51] <Riddell> KubuntuArtwork on the wiki
[12:52] <jussi> ahh, thanks 
[12:54] <jussi> Dark blue colour? 
[13:04] <Riddell> jussi: I think that looks the most smart
[13:05] <Riddell> jussi: oh strikes me we could ask canonical for the money
[13:05] <Riddell> jussi: http://community.ubuntu.com/help-information/funding/
[13:06] <jussi> hrm, thats a good point :D
[13:10] <Riddell> lordievader: thanks for your alpha 2 candidate testing :)
[13:10] <Riddell> lordievader: what language did you install it in?
[13:10] <lordievader> Dutch, doing the same now on i386.
[13:10] <Riddell> ook
[13:10] <lordievader> And no problem ;)
[13:10] <tsdgeos> Riddell: .95 missing again in l10n land
[13:11] <Riddell> tsdgeos: yeah there's a few other bits that didn't get in before the freeze, I'll upload when I can but it's waiting on our alpha 2
[13:12] <tsdgeos> ah
[13:12] <tsdgeos> sad
[13:12] <tsdgeos> can you guys at least patch in kdepim-runtime so it's not destroying people's lifes?
[13:12] <Riddell> tsdgeos: I have
[13:12]  * Riddell tripple checks
[13:13] <Riddell> mm stuck in -proposed, I'll let that through the freeze
[13:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you see my question about the version of owncload for precise?
[13:21] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, not sure what happened there, but there's a new version coming so I think I'll update for that anyway when it comes out
[13:21] <ScottK> OK.
[13:21] <Riddell> yofel, shadeslayer: can I copy 4.10.95 from staging to beta for raring?
[13:21] <ScottK> Also, if you're letting stuff in, you might consider letting my kubuntu-meta and kubuntu-settings updates in.  I don't think a half working menubar makes sense.
[13:22] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^
[13:22] <Riddell> I'm wondering if we should respin for this kmail bug
[13:23] <yofel> Riddell: I think yes, I retried kdepim-runtime i386 this morning which should be done by now
[13:25] <Riddell> "Add desktop/kdedrc deactivating phonon device change windows entirely." apachelogger how come you're maching phonon in kubuntu when it's not upstream?
[13:26] <ScottK> Found under the headline "RIP Computer Science": http://i.imgur.com/Wx91Z.jpg
[13:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: because upstream I actually have to care about people not running PA
[13:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: lol
[13:27] <Riddell> ScottK: farewell, we knew thee well
[13:29] <Riddell> ScottK: doesn't the menubar stuff fall back to just using a normal menubar if it can't find the widget to use?
[13:29] <Riddell> ScottK: isn't it sensible for netbook users to have the menubar applet for kde apps at least?
[13:29] <ScottK> Only if you think it's reasonable for users to have to know the difference.
[13:30] <ScottK> It does work that way, but it seemed to me that was sufficiently inconsistent that it should just go away.  I may be wrong.
[13:31] <Riddell> agateau: got an opinion since it's your baby?
[13:34] <agateau> Riddell: since Kubuntu does not ship gtk apps by default, i would say it makes sense to keep it, but 1) I do not have strong opinion on this and 2) it's not my baby anymore, new maintainer is Cédric Bellegarde
[13:35] <Quintasan> hmmm
[13:35] <Quintasan> Riddell: There is no smooth transition from libkscreen0 to libkscreen1, is that intended?
[13:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: what's unsmooth about it?
[13:36] <Riddell> oh files in /usr/lib/kde4/plugins/kscreen ?
[13:36] <Riddell> it has Breaks: libkscreen0
[13:36] <Quintasan> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade will not upgrade to libkscreen1
[13:36] <Quintasan> It says kscreen update was held
[13:36] <Riddell> Quintasan: never use   apt-get upgrade
[13:36] <Riddell> always use  apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:36] <Quintasan> Same thing
[13:36] <Riddell> or even better use the version upgrade tool
[13:37] <yofel> isn't this an issue for the SRU too actually?
[13:38] <Quintasan> Pobieranie:2 http://pl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-proposed/universe libkscreen1 amd64 1.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04.1 [90,7 kB]
[13:38] <Quintasan> wat
[13:39] <Quintasan> There is something I don't understand, if new kscreen has depends on libkscreen1 which has breaks on libkscreen0 - why didn't dist-upgrade ask me if I want to remove libkscreen0?
[13:39] <Quintasan> I did try dist-upgrade
[13:40] <yofel> try with -o debug::pkgproblemresolver=1
[13:41] <Quintasan> I'll try that when I get new PSU for my PC
[13:41] <Quintasan> Will have to upgrade it anyways.
[13:48] <ScottK> Then also ask yourself why a bug fix release bumped the soname?
[14:03] <Riddell> 4.10.95 in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta/+packages
[14:05] <Riddell> Quintasan, lordievader: if I respin for this kmail bug can you do more testing?
[14:06]  * Riddell uploads kde-l10n 4.10.95 to -proposed
[14:06] <Quintasan> ScottK: It's a bugfix release, lol
[14:06]  * Quintasan shuts up
[14:06] <Quintasan> Riddell: Sure
[14:11] <lordievader> Riddell: Today yes, tommorow no.
[14:16]  * yofel does .95 l10n for raring
[14:17] <genii> For some reason I read that at first as i915
[14:20] <Riddell> Quintasan, lordievader: rebuilding, check back in 30 mins
[14:57] <Riddell> new images | !testers 
[14:57] <Riddell> hmm
[14:57] <Riddell> !testers | new images
[14:58] <Riddell> voila
[15:00] <Riddell> Quintasan: rsync is working but you have to add a . at the end
[16:02] <Riddell> sweet, plymouth works after install now :)
[16:36] <Riddell> hum, kwallet not requires setup on first use
[16:36] <Riddell> hum, kwallet now requires setup on first use
[16:45] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1204585] kwallet requires first use setup @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1204585 (by Jonathan Riddell)
[16:56] <Riddell> are there any decent GUIs for qemu?
[16:56] <Riddell> virtualbox likes to freeze my computer these days but qemu needs command line faff
[17:02] <Riddell> hmm but qemu doesn't seem to work anyway
[17:04] <lordievader> Virtualbox works fine here, its slow but it works ;)
[17:04] <Riddell> it works for me too, until it freezes my computer
[17:05] <Riddell> let me try again, I'm hoping to do i386 tests
[17:07] <Riddell> the power supply for my test netbook is lost in charles du gaulle :(
[17:39] <lordievader> Riddell: When testing the OEM did you see bug 1204524
[17:39] <lordievader> ?
[17:44] <Riddell> lordievader: hmm yes
[17:44] <Riddell> there is still an oem user here
[17:44] <Riddell> well spotted
[17:45] <lordievader> Riddell: Does it also automatically login as that oem user?
[17:45] <Riddell> lordievader: on first boot it successfully logs in as oem user and on second boot it successfully logs in as created user
[17:45] <Riddell> lordievader: I think I set "log in automatically" at oem setup, maybe you didn't?
[17:46] <lordievader> Hmm, here it logs on in both cases as the oem user, true I didn't, I set it to require password.
[17:46] <Riddell> that's probably the difference
[17:46] <lordievader> Interesting bug though, wasn't there during my 13.04 tests.
[17:47] <lordievader> Riddell: Could you add your information to the bug report?
[17:52]  * Riddell does so
[17:52] <lordievader> Great, thank you :D
[21:43] <Riddell> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/ubuntu-vs.-kubuntu.html  not read it, too scared it'll be troll material
[21:46] <genii> Riddell: It's very favourable actually.
[21:49] <genii> Although "It's not uncommon for those who do enjoy using Unity not to enjoy KDE as much. After all, KDE is a very powerful desktop and its options are a lot to take in for someone who has never experienced freedom and desktop control to this extent before."  near the end does sound somewhat like a jab at Unity
[21:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 1204585 regression back to raring behavior that is?
[22:29] <shadeslayer> ahaha
[22:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: from that link
[22:29] <shadeslayer> "Bear in mind, this doesn't even rely on PulseAudio, this is simply using KDE's Phonon Configuration Module. "
[22:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[22:29] <shadeslayer> while refering to changing device priority
[22:30] <apachelogger> ?
[22:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.datamation.com/open-source/ubuntu-vs.-kubuntu.html
[22:30] <shadeslayer> 2nd page
[22:31] <apachelogger> well
[22:31] <apachelogger> that is using pulse when pulse is there :P
[22:31] <shadeslayer> and last I checked, we shipped pulse on Kubuntu :P
[22:35] <apachelogger> well, it's not like the author's statement is wrong
[22:35] <apachelogger> it would work regardless
[22:35] <apachelogger> until evil apachelogger removes that ability with phonon5 :O
[22:35] <shadeslayer> /o\