[06:03] <jussi> I think its minorly strange that canonical is going after the phone market, when the other big companies in that market are now heading in different directions - google/motorola's glass, LG have just registered a trademark for glass etc etc. Canonical don't seem to be introducing much "new", apart from maybe the convergence "my phone is a laptop" story. Anyone got thoughts?
[06:04] <syn-ack> jussi++
[07:08] <AlanBell> well I think glass is silly
[07:09] <AlanBell> there is a lack of market focus from Canonical I think
[07:12] <syn-ack> There is a general lack of focus, all around. There has been for years
[09:03] <DJones> Possibly its just trying to have something that differentiates a product from everybody else, I keep reading that traditional desktops are a reducing market, tablets themselves are dominated by Apple & Android, phones are getting bigger bridging the gap between phone and tablet to the point where they seem too big to be comfortable to use as a phone but too small to use as a tablet, the Edge seems a bit different in that with the addition ...
[09:04] <DJones> ... of a bluetooth keyboard/mouse & a cable to connect to a monitor in theory you get the 'best' of both worlds
[09:05] <DJones> I know there are phones that plug into a tablet casing, but even then you don't have a keyboard/mouse with having to get them
[09:48] <jussi> DJones: yeah, true words. I guess this whole HW thing is more about market measurement than anything else
[09:50] <k1l_> i think the dock-mode is some part of the future. motorola tried it before but they didnt have a proper desktop and the ARM wasnt powerfull enough. with a ARM 4core and 4gb ram and 128gb storage that equals most laptops.
[09:54] <DJones> One thing I was wondering about the Edge was what the battery life would be like if you're using it as a desktop machine for a couple of hours, would you need to have it connected to a mains supply and secondly if you have it mains powered how well would the heat disapate, my samsung phone heats up if its on charge
[09:56] <k1l_> i asked if they consider induction for charging (like the nexus4 and nokias and the old hp/palm) but they didnt.
[10:04] <DJones> To me, that would be more of a gimick rather than something particularly useful, its only really useful if you have a fixed workplace, if you're moving round and need to charge its easier to just carry a cable than the induction pads (looking at size anyway), if you're in the car you're more likely to have the phone in a cradle which is simpler to connect to a cable (or have to buy a cradle with built in induction charging), I charge my ...
[10:04] <DJones> ... phone overnight on the bedside cabinet, so having an induction charger there would work, but then if I wanted to use the phone as the desktop without power dropping I'd then need to move the charger or have multiple chargers and I can't see the chargers being as cheap as a £1 as the cables are now
[10:06] <k1l_> yes. a cable always works :) since you need to put some cable in for the dockmode it could be charged through this anyway. and since it uses some power that would make sense.
[10:08] <k1l_> but i do like that i dont have to put a cable into it when charging it on the induction pad. i didnt think it would benefit but since i got induction on my hp touchpad tablet and the nexus4 i didnt put a cable into it since ages, and i am glad :)
[10:09] <DJones> I've never looked at induction charging, presumably different manufacturers/devices potentially could have different charging rates or is there an industry standard
[10:10] <DJones> I just have visions of putting a device on one pad & it charging and a 2nd pad and it burning out through charging at too high a rate (or not charging due to too low a rate)
[10:13] <DJones> Just looking at the funding campaign it seems to have stalled after the initial 24 hours
[11:03] <AlanBell> new prices seem to have got it going again a bit
[11:07] <DJones> Sure has, thats gone up about $500K in the last hour
[11:09] <AlanBell> I think there is a chance they will get above the biggest ever crowdfunding total
[11:12] <k1l_> http://korczynskij.pl/shared/ubuntu/ there you see the beginning of the effect
[11:12] <DJones> It wouldn't surprise me if it gets above the $11M level (which I think is just above the previous biggest) but I'm not sure if it'll get to the $32M
[11:15] <DJones> I wonder what will happen if its at $31.5M in the last hour, it might be tempting to somebody (not necessarily Mark) to put the rest of the funding in so that the project could be considered a success
[11:37] <AlanBell> DJones: tempting to indiegogo if it gets to $31M
[11:38] <AlanBell> they have 1.28M commission to protect
[12:33] <jussi> and we are over 4 million...
[12:34] <jussi> I like the idea of putting all those different closely priced perks up. it makes people want to make a decision now to save the little bit extra.
[12:35] <jussi> mind, the people who paid 830 must be feeling a bit pissed off...
[12:35] <k1l_> jussi: i think i t says thex get a refund
[12:36] <jussi> k1l_: ahh, yes, so it does
[12:37] <jussi> but, they dont get a refund untill after the event, so those extra bits still go towards the total
[12:37] <jussi> :P
[12:40] <Daekdroom> Some of the involved people could refuse getting it back.
[12:40] <Daekdroom> So it can, you know, go towards the development
[12:40] <jussi> Daekdroom: yes, that is mentioned there
[12:41] <Daekdroom> It didn't seem to be.
[12:47] <jussi> Daekdroom: If you’re happy with the amount you contributed, you can opt out of this refund by emailing us at indiegogoinfo@canonical.com.
[12:48] <Daekdroom> It's an issue I have regarding patience to read stuff.
[12:48] <Daekdroom> (kinda harmful when you're graduating in Philosophy, tbh)
[12:48] <jussi> haha
[15:46] <DJones> Bit of a different take on the Edge & its funding http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2013/07/24/ubuntu-edge-the-begging-bowls-not-big-enough/
[15:49] <AlanBell> interesting
[15:49] <AlanBell> it isn't a begging bowl as such, it is pre-orders
[15:49] <AlanBell> however committing to not make any more means it is a dead end
[15:50] <AlanBell> and they are saying it is a breakeven pricing strategy
[15:50] <AlanBell> in fact they are saying that they need more than $625 per handset and they haven't accounted for tax