[06:03] I think its minorly strange that canonical is going after the phone market, when the other big companies in that market are now heading in different directions - google/motorola's glass, LG have just registered a trademark for glass etc etc. Canonical don't seem to be introducing much "new", apart from maybe the convergence "my phone is a laptop" story. Anyone got thoughts? [06:04] jussi++ [07:08] well I think glass is silly [07:09] there is a lack of market focus from Canonical I think [07:12] There is a general lack of focus, all around. There has been for years === LordOfTime is now known as LordOfTime|EC2 [09:03] Possibly its just trying to have something that differentiates a product from everybody else, I keep reading that traditional desktops are a reducing market, tablets themselves are dominated by Apple & Android, phones are getting bigger bridging the gap between phone and tablet to the point where they seem too big to be comfortable to use as a phone but too small to use as a tablet, the Edge seems a bit different in that with the addition ... [09:04] ... of a bluetooth keyboard/mouse & a cable to connect to a monitor in theory you get the 'best' of both worlds [09:05] I know there are phones that plug into a tablet casing, but even then you don't have a keyboard/mouse with having to get them [09:48] DJones: yeah, true words. I guess this whole HW thing is more about market measurement than anything else [09:50] i think the dock-mode is some part of the future. motorola tried it before but they didnt have a proper desktop and the ARM wasnt powerfull enough. with a ARM 4core and 4gb ram and 128gb storage that equals most laptops. [09:54] One thing I was wondering about the Edge was what the battery life would be like if you're using it as a desktop machine for a couple of hours, would you need to have it connected to a mains supply and secondly if you have it mains powered how well would the heat disapate, my samsung phone heats up if its on charge [09:56] i asked if they consider induction for charging (like the nexus4 and nokias and the old hp/palm) but they didnt. [10:04] To me, that would be more of a gimick rather than something particularly useful, its only really useful if you have a fixed workplace, if you're moving round and need to charge its easier to just carry a cable than the induction pads (looking at size anyway), if you're in the car you're more likely to have the phone in a cradle which is simpler to connect to a cable (or have to buy a cradle with built in induction charging), I charge my ... [10:04] ... phone overnight on the bedside cabinet, so having an induction charger there would work, but then if I wanted to use the phone as the desktop without power dropping I'd then need to move the charger or have multiple chargers and I can't see the chargers being as cheap as a £1 as the cables are now [10:06] yes. a cable always works :) since you need to put some cable in for the dockmode it could be charged through this anyway. and since it uses some power that would make sense. [10:08] but i do like that i dont have to put a cable into it when charging it on the induction pad. i didnt think it would benefit but since i got induction on my hp touchpad tablet and the nexus4 i didnt put a cable into it since ages, and i am glad :) [10:09] I've never looked at induction charging, presumably different manufacturers/devices potentially could have different charging rates or is there an industry standard [10:10] I just have visions of putting a device on one pad & it charging and a 2nd pad and it burning out through charging at too high a rate (or not charging due to too low a rate) [10:13] Just looking at the funding campaign it seems to have stalled after the initial 24 hours [11:03] new prices seem to have got it going again a bit [11:07] Sure has, thats gone up about $500K in the last hour [11:09] I think there is a chance they will get above the biggest ever crowdfunding total [11:12] http://korczynskij.pl/shared/ubuntu/ there you see the beginning of the effect [11:12] It wouldn't surprise me if it gets above the $11M level (which I think is just above the previous biggest) but I'm not sure if it'll get to the $32M [11:15] I wonder what will happen if its at $31.5M in the last hour, it might be tempting to somebody (not necessarily Mark) to put the rest of the funding in so that the project could be considered a success [11:37] DJones: tempting to indiegogo if it gets to $31M [11:38] they have 1.28M commission to protect === JoseeAntonioR is now known as jose [12:33] and we are over 4 million... [12:34] I like the idea of putting all those different closely priced perks up. it makes people want to make a decision now to save the little bit extra. [12:35] mind, the people who paid 830 must be feeling a bit pissed off... [12:35] jussi: i think i t says thex get a refund [12:36] k1l_: ahh, yes, so it does [12:37] but, they dont get a refund untill after the event, so those extra bits still go towards the total [12:37] :P [12:40] Some of the involved people could refuse getting it back. [12:40] So it can, you know, go towards the development [12:40] Daekdroom: yes, that is mentioned there [12:41] It didn't seem to be. [12:47] Daekdroom: If you’re happy with the amount you contributed, you can opt out of this refund by emailing us at indiegogoinfo@canonical.com. [12:48] It's an issue I have regarding patience to read stuff. [12:48] (kinda harmful when you're graduating in Philosophy, tbh) [12:48] haha [15:46] Bit of a different take on the Edge & its funding http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2013/07/24/ubuntu-edge-the-begging-bowls-not-big-enough/ [15:49] interesting [15:49] it isn't a begging bowl as such, it is pre-orders [15:49] however committing to not make any more means it is a dead end [15:50] and they are saying it is a breakeven pricing strategy [15:50] in fact they are saying that they need more than $625 per handset and they haven't accounted for tax === hrnz is now known as a-edoch === a-edoch is now known as hrnz