| darkxst | we should change empathy to use GOA provider always when in gnome session? | 00:00 |
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| jbicha | we don't block UOA from showing in gnome-control-center on gnome... | 00:03 |
| darkxst | perhaps we could fallback to GOA provider where UOA doesnt have account | 00:04 |
| darkxst | are the iso builds fully automatic now? or do they still require a manual bump to get started? | 00:07 |
| jbicha | it looks like something is broken, you should ask in #ubuntu-release | 00:08 |
| darkxst | new alpha2 candidate 20130724 is up now | 00:44 |
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| darkxst | jbicha, does the background image work for you? | 00:53 |
| darkxst | I'm just getting a blue screen | 00:53 |
| darkxst | looks like its not actually set? | 00:54 |
| jbicha | I think it works after install | 00:55 |
| darkxst | something must be wiping the setting (casper perhaps) | 01:05 |
| jbicha | it did look like cjwatson went ahead and gave us the Ubuntu-style (purple) isolinux boot screen | 01:06 |
| darkxst | yeh, I wonder if that change is related | 01:15 |
| darkxst | jbicha, can you set bug 1196196 public | 02:06 |
| ubot5 | Error: Launchpad bug 1196196 could not be found | 02:06 |
| jbicha | done | 02:10 |
| darkxst | jbicha, created a MP that fixes bug 1196196, although the actuall g-c-c branch itself is not releasable due to ibus changes | 02:57 |
| ubot5 | bug 1196196 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "[background]: gnome-control-center crashed with SIGSEGV in g_type_check_instance_cast()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1196196 | 02:57 |
| roasted | does Gnome have the capability to scale on super high resolution screens with large DPIs? | 03:08 |
| darkxst | roasted, it is being worked on | 03:08 |
| roasted | is it something we'll see in the 3.x releases? | 03:09 |
| darkxst | roasted, http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2013/06/28/hidpi-support-in-gnome/ | 03:09 |
| roasted | hm, that's interesting. Some Googling I did earlier made it sound like it would be beta in 4.0 and finally released in 5.0 | 03:10 |
| darkxst | I imagine initial support will be in 3.10 | 03:16 |
| darkxst | in fact the gtk+ side of things should be in 3.9.8 on staging | 03:17 |
| roasted | oh nice, that's great to know. | 03:18 |
| roasted | I just heard a KDE tablet is entering the FCC approval stages. I'm not entirely sold on KDE, and would love to see Gnome on a tablet, whether commercially available or just something a user can install. | 03:18 |
| roasted | That's what got me wondering about Gnome having that kind of DPI support with Ubuntu GNOME functionality on say, a Nexus tablet. | 03:19 |
| darkxst | http://gtk.10911.n7.nabble.com/HiDPI-stuff-partially-merged-td81644.html | 03:21 |
| darkxst | we are unlikely to have arm images anytime so though | 03:21 |
| darkxst | s/so/soon/ | 03:22 |
| roasted | with Ubuntu GNOME? | 03:23 |
| darkxst | yeh, you would probably have to use an vanilla ubuntu image | 03:25 |
| roasted | So there won't be an Ubuntu GNOME specific ARM port? | 03:26 |
| darkxst | maybe it might happen one day, but certainly not in the near future | 03:32 |
| roasted | well, I thought there was already an ARM port for Ubuntu... | 03:33 |
| roasted | If that's the case I could slap in Gnome and be done with it. | 03:34 |
| darkxst | I don't think the ubuntu touch images use X... | 03:36 |
| darkxst | and obviously they will be moving to Mir anyway | 03:37 |
| Maple__ | a | 13:26 |
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| roasted | hello friends | 15:40 |
| roasted | I just installed today's daily build of 13.10. I see Ubuntu Online Accounts was removed? | 15:40 |
| roasted | Likewise, I went into Gnome Online Accounts and added Exchange, but when I open Evolution, it brings up the mail wizard and doesn't go right into Evolution with my Exchange account already plugged in like it did on a daily build I installed from a week or so ago | 15:41 |
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| Dark_light | would it be possible to backport whatever the fix is on 13.10 to have just one online accounts manager to 13.04 ? (my best guess would be that some packages have just been recompiled to use gnome's online accounts) | 15:49 |
| roasted | this is a bummer | 15:50 |
| roasted | I just went off on a binge with KDE but felt like I wanted to use Gnome more, largely due to Exchange support. | 15:50 |
| roasted | Then I install 13.10 and it flat out isn't working. | 15:50 |
| Dark_light | well it is called alpha for a reason, what seems to be the problem? | 15:51 |
| Dark_light | roasted: ^ | 15:52 |
| roasted | Dark_light: I know, but I have almost no choice, as kernel 3.8 causes my laptop to lock up several times a day. | 15:52 |
| roasted | If I want to use Ubuntu GNOME, I have little choice unless I want to reboot a half dozen times a day. | 15:52 |
| Dark_light | you can just upgrade the kernel | 15:53 |
| roasted | I could, but I never had Exchange integration working in 13.04 either | 15:53 |
| roasted | 13.10 it just magically worked | 15:53 |
| roasted | Plus, I have a Broadcom STA card that I cannot change since Lenovo sucks at life and whitelists their wifi cards at boot. | 15:53 |
| roasted | I assume I'd have to compile the STA driver against 3.10 on 13.04 to get it to work | 15:53 |
| roasted | but even then, I had no exchange integration working then either. | 15:54 |
| Dark_light | there are whitelisted bioses for lenovo's laptop you can find them online, anyway what seems to be the issue with 13.10? | 15:54 |
| Dark_light | s/whitelisted/modified | 15:55 |
| roasted | I looked, but didn't come up with any yet. I could look more but, eh, rainy day project. | 15:55 |
| roasted | when I fire up 13.10, I do what I did before | 15:55 |
| roasted | I'd go to GOA, add exchange, once done, open evolution, and like MAGIC everything was there. | 15:55 |
| Dark_light | (out of curiosity what model is it?) | 15:55 |
| roasted | But now when I open evolution it goes through the wizard asking me what imap account I want to add. | 15:55 |
| roasted | E430 | 15:55 |
| Dark_light | I guess your best bet would be filing a bug and waiting for it to be fixed but even then using something in it's alpha stage is not something I would advise, issues can and will arise | 15:56 |
| roasted | sigh | 15:57 |
| roasted | guess it's a good thing I kept Fedora on dual boot here :( | 15:57 |
| roasted | it pains me to say that | 15:57 |
| roasted | Come onnnnnnnnnn October... | 15:57 |
| Dark_light | I gave it a spin on my t420 too but it's still far from being usable, from my experience it usually gets usable when it reaches a beta stage, there might be minor hiccups but usually nothing major | 15:58 |
| Dark_light | I can't stand fedora, I mean it works ok but there are no reliable tools for power management they diched laptop-mode-tools calling it ancient and wrote tuned from scratch and it blatantly sucks | 16:00 |
| Dark_light | if on any other distro I can get 4.5/5 hours of battery life in fedora I get like 3/3.5 | 16:01 |
| jbicha | roasted: please file a bug | 16:02 |
| roasted | jbicha: against what package? | 16:02 |
| jbicha | I don't know, maybe evolution | 16:02 |
| roasted | also, is exchange integration working in 13.04? | 16:02 |
| roasted | or did I do something wrong? | 16:02 |
| roasted | 13.10 was the first release I used where evolution lit up insanely easily with full exchange everything | 16:03 |
| jbicha | roasted: that depends, Evolution with UOA support is new in 3.8 | 16:04 |
| roasted | so if I pull in gnome3 PPA on 13.04 I should have it? | 16:04 |
| jbicha | for GOA, Google 2-factor authentication was only recently fixed in 13.10 (and backported to the GNOME3 PPA for raring) | 16:04 |
| Dark_light | jbicha: would it be possible to fix the double online accounts entry in the ppa? (if it hasn't been done already) | 16:05 |
| jbicha | Dark_light: the improved ability to use Ubuntu with GOA without UOA is not backportable to 13.04 | 16:05 |
| Dark_light | ok, just out of curiosity what is it tied to ? | 16:06 |
| jbicha | it's not impossible to backport to the GNOME3 PPA but it's a lot of work and fragile | 16:08 |
| jbicha | I'd prefer people just use 13.10 when it's ready for that feature | 16:09 |
| roasted | I'm going to fire up 13.04 on this other laptop, pull in the Gnome3 PPA and see if I can have Exchange support. | 16:09 |
| Dark_light | jbicha: sure, it's not that, I'm curious what has changed from a technical point of view, have the packages been recompiled without canonical's patches ? | 16:10 |
| jbicha | libsignon-glib now doesn't depend on signond | 16:11 |
| jbicha | evolution-data-server had its uoa and goa support split into separate packages | 16:12 |
| Dark_light | nice, it's an elegant solution | 16:12 |
| jbicha | empathy had to be fixed | 16:13 |
| jbicha | maybe it's not that much work but it requires a good amount of testing to make sure we don't break stuff | 16:13 |
| jbicha | and if libsignon-glib gets an update then you'll automatically get a lot of the UOA and Qt backend stuff installed until a new version is uploaded to the PPA | 16:15 |
| jbicha | it would also need new version of ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-gnome-desktop to make sure that the appropriate eds online account support is installed | 16:16 |
| Dark_light | yep it's probably just best to wait till 13.10 gets to usable level | 16:20 |
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| bjsnider | why does there have to be an ubuntu online accounts -- is there a feature of gnome online accounts that's missing? | 18:08 |
| Maple__ | bjsnider, it's Unity's | 22:11 |
| darkxst | jbicha, bug 1204290 seems to be trying to load indicator-session (which we don't ship) | 22:51 |
| ubot5 | bug 1204290 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "panel crashed with SIGSEGV in indicator_object_get_entries()" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204290 | 22:51 |
| roasted | hmm | 23:03 |
| darkxst | I suspect bug 1204289 is also related to missing indicators | 23:11 |
| ubot5 | Error: Launchpad bug 1204289 could not be found | 23:11 |
| roasted | just fired up a fresh 13.04 install, gnome3 ppa, fully updated etc | 23:16 |
| roasted | added exchange in GOA annnnnnd... nothing | 23:17 |
| roasted | so both 13.04 and the latest 13.10 daily build don't work with exchange, while prior dailybuilds from as early as last week worked fine | 23:17 |
| darkxst | roasted, does it work if you manually add exchange account in evolution? | 23:21 |
| roasted | seems as if evolution-mapi isn't installed. perhaps that alone is it. | 23:21 |
| roasted | darkxst: I don't have an exchange option at all. | 23:21 |
| roasted | I have a massive, massive apt-get install script running now so I can't install that package in a singular fashion right now to see. I'll have to wait until this is done. | 23:22 |
| roasted | hm, just tried it on my 2nd laptop here. All it does is spam me to put in my exchange PW, which I do 40 times, but it keeps going. | 23:24 |
| jbicha | roasted: I missed that you said "exchange" yesterday | 23:25 |
| jbicha | what version of exchange? | 23:25 |
| roasted | ah hah! | 23:26 |
| roasted | a winner! | 23:26 |
| roasted | If I install evolution-mapi and try to add the exchange account through evolution itself, it continually spams me for the PW to my account. Even if I put it in 80 times it keeps asking me each time it tries to check in. | 23:26 |
| roasted | On the flip side, if I install evolution-mapi, and then go into GOA and add my account there, everything works flawlessly. | 23:26 |
| roasted | So having evolution-mapi seems to not be quite 'all there'. GOA seems to be doing something extra to make it work painlessly. | 23:27 |
| roasted | I'm sure I could do a settings-dive into evolution to get it to work. I did see some things in there that might have required tweaking to get to work, but it's nice to see evolution-mapi being installed prior, then adding the exchange account in GOA = winner. | 23:27 |
| roasted | jbicha: I am actually not positive... but I think 2010? | 23:28 |
| roasted | it's relatively recent. I don't admin that server so I'm a bit unsure offhand. | 23:28 |
| jbicha | ok, there's also evolution-ews which support Outlook Web Services 2007+ | 23:29 |
| roasted | It'd be nice if adding the exchange account auto-installs evolution-mapi prior to connecting the account. | 23:29 |
| roasted | because it didn't tell me there was any problem, besides evolution just... not working. | 23:29 |
| jbicha | I don't have an exchange server handy so I never tested that | 23:29 |
| roasted | jbicha: if I go into my evolution account settings, it shows the account type as 'ews' | 23:29 |
| roasted | jbicha: I do however already have evolution-ews installed. | 23:30 |
| roasted | so evolution-ews wasn't the trick in this equation here. | 23:30 |
| roasted | jbicha: is that a crazy idea? to tack in a dependency if the user tries to add an exchange account? | 23:31 |
| roasted | it was just a quick thought. | 23:31 |
| jbicha | I'm not sure whether we want to install it by default http://paste.ubuntu.com/5909336/ | 23:34 |
| jbicha | but it's not good to have an Exchange option in GOA if it doesn't work | 23:35 |
| darkxst | could install on-demand with packagekit | 23:35 |
| roasted | well, I don't have much access to the exchange server itself to pick it apart, but if I can help in any way to test exchange packages or any ideas you guys might have please let me know. | 23:39 |
| jbicha | roasted: you can grab Alpha1 from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.10/alpha-1/ if you think that it did used to work | 23:39 |
| roasted | jbicha: sure, I'll download it and throw it into a VM. | 23:39 |
| roasted | while this downloads I need to get some dinner and put some trim up. I'll let you know what I find. | 23:40 |
| roasted | thanks for listening. :D | 23:40 |
| darkxst | jbicha, do we really need the ubiquity panel? perhaps we just disable it. | 23:44 |
| roasted | jbicha, I'm not entirely sure I understand, now that I think about it. You linked me to alpha1 daily build. I had assumed alpha 2 came out and that's what I inadvertently grabbed yesterday, so I thought I'd be comparing alpha 1 and alpha 2. | 23:52 |
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| roasted | Instead, I assume, best I have is to compare daily build from last week and daily build from this week (both alpha 1) | 23:52 |
| roasted | which I do not have that ISO I used last week anymore... | 23:52 |
| roasted | best I might be able to do as it stands is compare 13.04 + Gnome3 PPA for Gnome 3.8 versus 13.10 stock with today's daily build and see what works and what doesn't. | 23:53 |
| darkxst | roasted, compare alpha 1 and alpha 2 | 23:55 |
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