[00:00] <darkxst> we should change empathy to use GOA provider always when in gnome session?
[00:03] <jbicha> we don't block UOA from showing in gnome-control-center on gnome...
[00:04] <darkxst> perhaps we could fallback to GOA provider where UOA doesnt have account
[00:07] <darkxst> are the iso builds fully automatic now? or do they still require a manual bump to get started?
[00:08] <jbicha> it looks like something is broken, you should ask in #ubuntu-release
[00:44] <darkxst> new alpha2 candidate 20130724 is up now
[00:53] <darkxst> jbicha, does the background image work for you?
[00:53] <darkxst> I'm just getting a blue screen
[00:54] <darkxst> looks like its not actually set?
[00:55] <jbicha> I think it works after install
[01:05] <darkxst> something must be wiping the setting (casper perhaps)
[01:06] <jbicha> it did look like cjwatson went ahead and gave us the Ubuntu-style (purple) isolinux boot screen
[01:15] <darkxst> yeh, I wonder if that change is related
[02:06] <darkxst> jbicha, can you set bug 1196196 public
[02:10] <jbicha> done
[02:57] <darkxst> jbicha, created a MP that fixes bug 1196196, although the actuall g-c-c branch itself is not releasable due to ibus changes
[03:08] <roasted> does Gnome have the capability to scale on super high resolution screens with large DPIs?
[03:08] <darkxst> roasted, it is being worked on
[03:09] <roasted> is it something we'll see in the 3.x releases?
[03:09] <darkxst> roasted, http://blogs.gnome.org/alexl/2013/06/28/hidpi-support-in-gnome/
[03:10] <roasted> hm, that's interesting. Some Googling I did earlier made it sound like it would be beta in 4.0 and finally released in 5.0
[03:16] <darkxst> I imagine initial support will be in 3.10
[03:17] <darkxst> in fact the gtk+ side of things should be in 3.9.8 on staging
[03:18] <roasted> oh nice, that's great to know.
[03:18] <roasted> I just heard a KDE tablet is entering the FCC approval stages. I'm not entirely sold on KDE, and would love to see Gnome on a tablet, whether commercially available or just something a user can install.
[03:19] <roasted> That's what got me wondering about Gnome having that kind of DPI support with Ubuntu GNOME functionality on say, a Nexus tablet.
[03:21] <darkxst> http://gtk.10911.n7.nabble.com/HiDPI-stuff-partially-merged-td81644.html
[03:21] <darkxst> we are unlikely to have arm images anytime so though
[03:22] <darkxst> s/so/soon/
[03:23] <roasted> with Ubuntu GNOME?
[03:25] <darkxst> yeh, you would probably have to use an vanilla ubuntu image
[03:26] <roasted> So there won't be an Ubuntu GNOME specific ARM port?
[03:32] <darkxst> maybe it might happen one day, but certainly not in the near future
[03:33] <roasted> well, I thought there was already an ARM port for Ubuntu...
[03:34] <roasted> If that's the case I could slap in Gnome and be done with it.
[03:36] <darkxst> I don't think the ubuntu touch images use X...
[03:37] <darkxst> and obviously they will be moving to Mir anyway
[13:26] <Maple__> a
[15:40] <roasted> hello friends
[15:40] <roasted> I just installed today's daily build of 13.10. I see Ubuntu Online Accounts was removed?
[15:41] <roasted> Likewise, I went into Gnome Online Accounts and added Exchange, but when I open Evolution, it brings up the mail wizard and doesn't go right into Evolution with my Exchange account already plugged in like it did on a daily build I installed from a week or so ago
[15:49] <Dark_light> would it be possible to backport whatever the fix is on 13.10 to have just one online accounts manager to 13.04 ? (my best guess would be that some packages have just been recompiled to use gnome's online accounts)
[15:50] <roasted> this is a bummer
[15:50] <roasted> I just went off on a binge with KDE but felt like I wanted to use Gnome more, largely due to Exchange support.
[15:50] <roasted> Then I install 13.10 and it flat out isn't working.
[15:51] <Dark_light> well it is called alpha for a reason, what seems to be the problem?
[15:52] <Dark_light> roasted: ^
[15:52] <roasted> Dark_light: I know, but I have almost no choice, as kernel 3.8 causes my laptop to lock up several times a day.
[15:52] <roasted> If I want to use Ubuntu GNOME, I have little choice unless I want to reboot a half dozen times a day.
[15:53] <Dark_light> you can just upgrade the kernel
[15:53] <roasted> I could, but I never had Exchange integration working in 13.04 either
[15:53] <roasted> 13.10 it just magically worked
[15:53] <roasted> Plus, I have a Broadcom STA card that I cannot change since Lenovo sucks at life and whitelists their wifi cards at boot.
[15:53] <roasted> I assume I'd have to compile the STA driver against 3.10 on 13.04 to get it to work
[15:54] <roasted> but even then, I had no exchange integration working then either.
[15:54] <Dark_light> there are whitelisted bioses for lenovo's laptop you can find them online, anyway what seems to be the issue with 13.10?
[15:55] <Dark_light> s/whitelisted/modified
[15:55] <roasted> I looked, but didn't come up with any yet. I could look more but, eh, rainy day project.
[15:55] <roasted> when I fire up 13.10, I do what I did before
[15:55] <roasted> I'd go to GOA, add exchange, once done, open evolution, and like MAGIC everything was there.
[15:55] <Dark_light> (out of curiosity what model is it?)
[15:55] <roasted> But now when I open evolution it goes through the wizard asking me what imap account I want to add.
[15:55] <roasted> E430
[15:56] <Dark_light> I guess your best bet would be filing a bug and waiting for it to be fixed but even then using something in it's alpha stage is not something I would advise, issues can and will arise
[15:57] <roasted> sigh
[15:57] <roasted> guess it's a good thing I kept Fedora on dual boot here :(
[15:57] <roasted> it pains me to say that
[15:57] <roasted> Come onnnnnnnnnn October...
[15:58] <Dark_light> I gave it a spin on my t420 too but it's still far from being usable, from my experience it usually gets usable when it reaches a beta stage, there might be minor hiccups but usually nothing major
[16:00] <Dark_light> I can't stand fedora, I mean it works ok but there are no reliable tools for power management they diched laptop-mode-tools calling it ancient and wrote tuned from scratch and it blatantly sucks
[16:01] <Dark_light> if on any other distro I can get 4.5/5 hours of battery life in fedora I get like 3/3.5
[16:02] <jbicha> roasted: please file a bug
[16:02] <roasted> jbicha: against what package?
[16:02] <jbicha> I don't know, maybe evolution
[16:02] <roasted> also, is exchange integration working in 13.04?
[16:02] <roasted> or did I do something wrong?
[16:03] <roasted> 13.10 was the first release I used where evolution lit up insanely easily with full exchange everything
[16:04] <jbicha> roasted: that depends, Evolution with UOA support is new in 3.8
[16:04] <roasted> so if I pull in gnome3 PPA on 13.04 I should have it?
[16:04] <jbicha> for GOA, Google 2-factor authentication was only recently fixed in 13.10 (and backported to the GNOME3 PPA for raring)
[16:05] <Dark_light> jbicha: would it be possible to fix the double online accounts entry in the ppa? (if it hasn't been done already)
[16:05] <jbicha> Dark_light: the improved ability to use Ubuntu with GOA without UOA is not backportable to 13.04
[16:06] <Dark_light> ok, just out of curiosity what is it tied to ?
[16:08] <jbicha> it's not impossible to backport to the GNOME3 PPA but it's a lot of work and fragile
[16:09] <jbicha> I'd prefer people just use 13.10 when it's ready for that feature
[16:09] <roasted> I'm going to fire up 13.04 on this other laptop, pull in the Gnome3 PPA and see if I can have Exchange support.
[16:10] <Dark_light> jbicha: sure, it's not that, I'm curious what has changed from a technical point of view, have the packages been recompiled without canonical's patches ?
[16:11] <jbicha> libsignon-glib now doesn't depend on signond
[16:12] <jbicha> evolution-data-server had its uoa and goa support split into separate packages
[16:12] <Dark_light> nice, it's an elegant solution
[16:13] <jbicha> empathy had to be fixed
[16:13] <jbicha> maybe it's not that much work but it requires a good amount of testing to make sure we don't break stuff
[16:15] <jbicha> and if libsignon-glib gets an update then you'll automatically get a lot of the UOA and Qt backend stuff installed until a new version is uploaded to the PPA
[16:16] <jbicha> it would also need new version of ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-gnome-desktop to make sure that the appropriate eds online account support is installed
[16:20] <Dark_light> yep it's probably just best to wait till 13.10 gets to usable level
[18:08] <bjsnider> why does there have to be an ubuntu online accounts -- is there a feature of gnome online accounts that's missing?
[22:11] <Maple__> bjsnider, it's Unity's
[22:51] <darkxst> jbicha, bug 1204290 seems to be trying to load indicator-session (which we don't ship)
[23:03] <roasted> hmm
[23:11] <darkxst> I suspect bug 1204289 is also related to missing indicators
[23:16] <roasted> just fired up a fresh 13.04 install, gnome3 ppa, fully updated etc
[23:17] <roasted> added exchange in GOA annnnnnd... nothing
[23:17] <roasted> so both 13.04 and the latest 13.10 daily build don't work with exchange, while prior dailybuilds from as early as last week worked fine
[23:21] <darkxst> roasted, does it work if you manually add exchange account in evolution?
[23:21] <roasted> seems as if evolution-mapi isn't installed. perhaps that alone is it.
[23:21] <roasted> darkxst: I don't have an exchange option at all.
[23:22] <roasted> I have a massive, massive apt-get install script running now so I can't install that package in a singular fashion right now to see. I'll have to wait until this is done.
[23:24] <roasted> hm, just tried it on my 2nd laptop here. All it does is spam me to put in my exchange PW, which I do 40 times, but it keeps going.
[23:25] <jbicha> roasted: I missed that you said "exchange" yesterday
[23:25] <jbicha> what version of exchange?
[23:26] <roasted> ah hah!
[23:26] <roasted> a winner!
[23:26] <roasted> If I install evolution-mapi and try to add the exchange account through evolution itself, it continually spams me for the PW to my account. Even if I put it in 80 times it keeps asking me each time it tries to check in.
[23:26] <roasted> On the flip side, if I install evolution-mapi, and then go into GOA and add my account there, everything works flawlessly.
[23:27] <roasted> So having evolution-mapi seems to not be quite 'all there'. GOA seems to be doing something extra to make it work painlessly.
[23:27] <roasted> I'm sure I could do a settings-dive into evolution to get it to work. I did see some things in there that might have required tweaking to get to work, but it's nice to see evolution-mapi being installed prior, then adding the exchange account in GOA = winner.
[23:28] <roasted> jbicha: I am actually not positive... but I think 2010?
[23:28] <roasted> it's relatively recent. I don't admin that server so I'm a bit unsure offhand.
[23:29] <jbicha> ok, there's also evolution-ews which support Outlook Web Services 2007+
[23:29] <roasted> It'd be nice if adding the exchange account auto-installs evolution-mapi prior to connecting the account.
[23:29] <roasted> because it didn't tell me there was any problem, besides evolution just... not working.
[23:29] <jbicha> I don't have an exchange server handy so I never tested that
[23:29] <roasted> jbicha: if I go into my evolution account settings, it shows the account type as 'ews'
[23:30] <roasted> jbicha: I do however already have evolution-ews installed.
[23:30] <roasted> so evolution-ews wasn't the trick in this equation here.
[23:31] <roasted> jbicha: is that a crazy idea? to tack in a dependency if the user tries to add an exchange account?
[23:31] <roasted> it was just a quick thought.
[23:34] <jbicha> I'm not sure whether we want to install it by default http://paste.ubuntu.com/5909336/
[23:35] <jbicha> but it's not good to have an Exchange option in GOA if it doesn't work
[23:35] <darkxst> could install on-demand with packagekit
[23:39] <roasted> well, I don't have much access to the exchange server itself to pick it apart, but if I can help in any way to test exchange packages or any ideas you guys might have please let me know.
[23:39] <jbicha> roasted: you can grab Alpha1 from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-gnome/releases/13.10/alpha-1/ if you think that it did used to work
[23:39] <roasted> jbicha: sure, I'll download it and throw it into a VM.
[23:40] <roasted> while this downloads I need to get some dinner and put some trim up. I'll let you know what I find.
[23:40] <roasted> thanks for listening. :D
[23:44] <darkxst> jbicha, do we really need the ubiquity panel? perhaps we just disable it.
[23:52] <roasted> jbicha, I'm not entirely sure I understand, now that I think about it. You linked me to alpha1 daily build. I had assumed alpha 2 came out and that's what I inadvertently grabbed yesterday, so I thought I'd be comparing alpha 1 and alpha 2.
[23:52] <roasted> Instead, I assume, best I have is to compare daily build from last week and daily build from this week (both alpha 1)
[23:52] <roasted> which I do not have that ISO I used last week anymore...
[23:53] <roasted> best I might be able to do as it stands is compare 13.04 + Gnome3 PPA for Gnome 3.8 versus 13.10 stock with today's daily build and see what works and what doesn't.
[23:55] <darkxst> roasted, compare alpha 1 and alpha 2