[00:04] <xangua> give me the graphic of ubuntu egde fund raise! ...please :P
[00:13] <wilee-nilee> xangua, Here is the crowd source link, that what you wanted. http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
[01:18] <mhall119> xangua: what graphic?
[01:19] <xangua> mhall119: the ascended graphic that shows the money/hours passed
[01:20] <mhall119> xangua: it's an <iframe> that you can embed on other websites
[01:20] <mhall119> xangua: http://www.indiegogo.com/project/share/461046 has the embed code
[01:46] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I think he is attending "App Store/click catch-up" at 14:00 UTC
[02:09] <jdstrand> cjwatson: fyi, click get pretty grumpy on upgrades if you have click packages installed but ~/.local/share/applications is missing. I think I accidentally removed that directory and click would not upgrade to 0.2.4 without it (tracebacks on file not found)
[02:09] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I recreated the dir and it was fine
[02:57] <jmfurlott> Is it possible to install the preview version on a Nexus 4 with custom recovery and everything like normal custom roms are handled?
[02:57] <sergiusens> jmfurlott: yes
[02:58] <jmfurlott> sergiusens: does canonical handle the zip files?
[02:59] <sergiusens> jmfurlott: they are in cdimage
[02:59] <sergiusens> jmfurlott: it's in /topic
[02:59] <jmfurlott> sergiusens: thank you
[02:59] <sergiusens> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install#Manual_Installation
[03:00] <sergiusens> jmfurlott: just copy the two zips and deploy from recovery as usual
[03:00] <zandubalm21> how can one run these images under qemu?
[03:07] <Salienia> anyone here have a moment or two to spare for a semi-noob?
[03:17] <Larry> hi guys
[03:17] <Larry> anyone home?
[03:17] <Guest2879> need somehelp with my i9300
[03:18] <Guest2879> identify?
[03:20] <Larry_> hi
[03:39] <Salienia> anyone here have a moment to spare? need some help with my tablet/ubuntu connection =\
[04:16] <kieppie> hi folks
[04:16] <kieppie> I've just got my hands on a viewsonic vpad10
[04:17] <kieppie> I've got Ubuntu 13.04 64 loaded OK (Unity), but would like to add the touch stuff
[04:39] <Mahesh_> Hello
[04:53] <Alejadnroo80> Hi anyone knows how to install Ubuntu for android on the nexus 4, recently shown in a video demo by Leann Ogasawara, it is shown around the 1:50 sec mark, This is the link to the video I spoke before: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNhlVn3ETQ
[04:55] <Alejadnroo80> Leann said this is available for current hardware with the: Ubuntu for Android APP, I´ve been trying to find that APP but no results
[04:59] <tino> who *
[06:45] <cjwatson> jdstrand: thanks, fixed in 0.2.5
[06:46] <jdstrand> cjwatson: ah, you're up :)
[06:46] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I have two more things for you
[06:46] <jdstrand> so, as it is, the .desktop file is fine for unity7, but unity8 does not like it
[06:47] <jdstrand> let me paste you the issue
[06:48] <jdstrand> I figured out how to make it work
[06:51] <jdstrand> cjwatson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5906640/
[06:52] <jdstrand> cjwatson: basically, unity8 really wants '[Desktop Entry]' on the first line
[06:52] <jdstrand> cjwatson: and unity8 doesn't like the extra spaces around the '='
[06:53] <jdstrand> cjwatson: http://people.canonical.com/~jamie/evilapp/ has a click package to test it, and the desktop file that works on unity8
[06:53] <cjwatson> jdstrand: OK - can you make sure a bug's filed for it failing to honour the .desktop file spec properly?
[06:54] <jdstrand> cjwatson: also, I uploaded sbeattie's click-apparmor a while ago, but it needs deNEWing
[06:54] <cjwatson> Yeah, I was just looking at it
[06:54] <jdstrand> cool, thanks
[06:54] <cjwatson> sbeattie: FYI you could do with running pyflakes over all your Python code
[06:55] <cjwatson> sbeattie: and aa-clickprototype seems to be an unused file
[06:55] <jdstrand> we want that in universe for now-- we are going to want to clean it up a bit
[06:55] <jdstrand> cjwatson: re bug, yes
[06:57] <jdstrand> Saviq: where should I file the bug for unity8 not properly following the desktop file spec? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5906640/
[06:57] <jdstrand> Saviq: is that still qtubuntu?
[06:58] <jdstrand> I tell you, the combination of the extra spaces and the comment on the first line took me quite a while to figure out
[07:01] <cjwatson> jdstrand: the modified dh_click invocation in debian/rules should be done in override_dh_click (since you're using --with ...,click) rather than tacked onto the end of override_dh_auto_install
[07:02] <jdstrand> sbeattie: ^
[07:06] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I can fix override_dh_auto_install, but I'll let sbeattie handle the other stuff you mentioned
[07:08] <cjwatson> jdstrand: click-apparmor NEWed; click 0.2.6 uploaded to fix the .desktop handling
[07:09] <jdstrand> cjwatson: thanks! I'll upload 0.0.4 for override_dh_auto_install later then
[07:10]  * jdstrand -> bed
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:53] <tino> good morning
[08:00] <cjwatson> sbeattie: ... also there's a typo in your e-mail address in Maintainer :)
[08:15] <Saviq> jdstrand, yes, qtubuntu
[08:42] <Sood104> Can I get this for my S2?
[08:57] <ogra_> stgraber, it just struck me, we will need a toolset that porters can work with to create system images, dont we ? (or did you plan to hook something into the android build process ?)
[09:07] <xnox> ogra_: hm?! i thought we will keep $ bruch working and produce everything. It's good android dev environment. unless that's not the case with loop-mounted images.
[09:07] <xnox> *brunch*
[09:18] <stgraber> ogra_: so I currently have a pack-device tool which takes system.img, boot.img and recovery.img and produces a .tar.xz, I expect this one to just work for ports too
[09:19] <stgraber> then all they need is to generate an index.json that points to our rootfs and to their .tar.xz, but yeah, getting easier tools and instructions on how to use another update server are one my todo
[09:20] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Kitchen Debate Day! :-D
[09:23] <PaoloRotolo> Good morning!
[09:24] <gatox> hi, do you know guys if ./run_on_device is working??
[09:28] <Guest39049> helloo
[09:28] <Guest39049> is any one there to help me
[09:28] <Guest39049> i wanna install ubuntu on my mobile
[09:31] <ogra_> xnox, its about the post processing to make a proper system tar.xz from the files
[09:32] <ogra_> stgraber, awesome, thanks for the info !
[09:39] <xnox> ogra_: yeap, gotcha for the other-the-air updates =)
[09:40] <ogra_> well, even for basic installs
[09:41] <ogra_> ports will have to use the loop mounted images
[09:41] <ogra_> which means the installation files need to match ours ...
[09:42] <asac> ogra_: still no green :(
[09:43] <ogra_> todays image isnt there yet
[09:43] <ogra_> the build only starts in 15min
[09:46] <ogra_> asac, just wait 5h (1 for the build, 4 for the tests) :)
[09:50] <asac> ogra_: we have big bugs pending
[09:50] <asac> sdk is buggy and hence tests fail
[09:50] <asac> err toolkit lacks feature for orientation
[09:51] <Noskcaj> the qt emulator seems to always break
[09:51] <ogra_> asac, yes
[09:51] <boris_G> hi all - was just told in #ubuntu that i should try here for enquires concerning the Qt ubuntu phone SDK =)
[09:51] <Noskcaj> boris_G, yep
[09:51] <boris_G> wicked =D
[09:52] <boris_G> i have linux mint 15 running, and did an apt-get last night, which results in the qT Creator not actually loading
[09:52] <ogra_> asac, not much i can do about it ... i cant run the build earlier else we dont get the packages from daily-release ... and i cant speed up utah either ...
[09:52] <AskUbuntu> Example tab in ubuntu sdk opens blank windows | http://askubuntu.com/q/323789
[09:52] <boris_G> i suspect a missing library, but, i thought id ask if this is a problem with other systems as well
[09:53] <ogra_> asac, i know QA tries to fix the longish running tests though ...
[09:54] <boris_G> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-sdk -f --fix-missing <-just used this command, said it was up to date... i could be doing it wrong however... i bow to more experienced minds
[09:56] <didrocks> ogra_: all packages are in distro for few hours, last time I pinged you for an earlier run (1h30 before), it seems you didn't want to trigger that earlier
[09:56] <boris_G> also, just for the curious young lad in me, is it true the actual hardware of the phone will be open source?
[09:56] <ogra_> cjwatson, hmm, did you see the ubuntu-core build failure ? seems deboostrap trips over python2.7-minimal
[09:56] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:56] <ogra_> didrocks, huh ?
[09:56] <didrocks> like on Monday
[09:57] <ogra_> didrocks, you asked me to put it 1.5h  *later* (which i did)
[09:57] <didrocks> ogra_: right, and on Monday, as we had an emergency iso build to do, I warned you as soon as possible that the package were published in the release pocket
[09:57] <ogra_> see my mail to ubuntu-hone
[09:57] <didrocks> but you didn't trigger a build manually
[09:57] <ogra_> *phone
[09:57] <timp> boris_G: "qtcreator not loading" can be cleared up a bit. Does it crash/hang/missing .so files?
[09:57] <ogra_> we even talked about that mail
[09:58] <timp> boris_G: $ ldd `which qtcreator`
[09:58] <davmor2> yesterdays image is killing my phone, rild, ofono, and unity8 are using upto 100% of the cpu and 70-80% of the memory,   phone went from 100% to 23% with nothing running
[09:58] <boris_G> timp: it actually loads, goes through the motions, and then disappears from the taskbar
[09:58] <boris_G> ok gimme a sec
[09:59] <boris_G> i do have a standard version of Qt Creator installe,d for my QGroundControl work
[09:59] <didrocks> ogra_: asac: not sure what fixes you are urgently expecting but there is no new sdk for 2 days
[09:59] <didrocks> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit
[09:59] <boris_G> and im getting "file not found" for the ldd command
[10:00] <timp> boris_G: wow, I thought it would be included in the core of any linux distribution
[10:00]  * timp never tried mint though
[10:00] <boris_G> hmmm, odd one
[10:00] <boris_G> considering i have it!
[10:01] <timp> boris_G: maybe your PATH got messed up
[10:01] <boris_G> standard version, i d/led it the other day to try to compile QGroundControl for some UAV work im doing
[10:01] <boris_G> perhaps
[10:01] <boris_G> how to check?
[10:01] <timp> boris_G: $ echo $PATH
[10:02] <timp> /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games
[10:02] <timp> my ldd is in /usr/bin
[10:03] <boris_G> ok, gimme a sec - ldd is saying it cant find qtcreator
[10:03] <boris_G> not it cant find ldd
[10:03] <boris_G> but lemme drop that in the term
[10:03] <boris_G> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt4/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games
[10:03] <boris_G> is the response
[10:04] <timp> boris_G: executing 'ldd' on term doesn't work?
[10:04] <timp> path looks fine
[10:04] <boris_G> yes, it does
[10:04] <boris_G> ldd works, i used it for something the other day
[10:04] <boris_G> actually, come to think of it, it was the bbloody OpenGLWidget thing in Qt
[10:04] <asac> didrocks: toolkit orientation
[10:04] <boris_G> that was killing my compile of QGroundControl
[10:05] <didrocks> asac: apparently, nothing merged in trunk for that (so I doubt the tests result in the dashboard will change)
[10:08] <davmor2> yesterdays image is killing my phone, rild, ofono, and unity8 are using upto 100% of the cpu and 70-80% of the memory,   phone went from 100% to 23% with nothing running  I should of added in 2 hours to this sorry
[10:08] <davmor2> ogra_: did you have any issues with yesterdays image at all battery wise?
[10:08] <ogra_> nope, but i think awe did
[10:09] <ogra_> wait until he gets up
[10:09] <davmor2> ogra_: rild is the 3g connections right?
[10:09] <ogra_> and phone etc
[10:10] <davmor2> ah okay
[10:10] <ogra_> its our connection to the modem
[10:10] <ogra_> (big binary blackbox)
[10:11] <boris_G> timp - my Qt has been screwy from the start =(
[10:13] <timp> boris_G: maybe the easiest is to install ubuntu
[10:13] <boris_G> erk
[10:13] <boris_G> ok
[10:13] <timp> boris_G: I guess almost all people here run it, so it is easier to support
[10:13] <boris_G> that means i have to do stuff like try to get my screwy macbook working again
[10:13] <boris_G> yeah, i guess
[10:14] <boris_G> i didnt know about this project when i installed Mint
[10:14] <boris_G> u are correct
[10:14] <timp> I don't know how much mint differs from ubuntu these days
[10:14] <boris_G> can u giver me a suggestion of image to download?
[10:14] <boris_G> im running the KDE version of Mint now, i like it
[10:14] <timp> boris_G: pick one from here http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop
[10:15] <boris_G> downloading now
[10:16] <boris_G> ta
[10:16] <timp> boris_G: sorry, don't know. I guess installing a standard image and apt-get install kubuntu-full if you want kde, but I'm not running kde myself
[10:16] <boris_G> yeah, thats cool
[10:16] <timp> boris_G: unity works great for me
[10:16] <boris_G> unity is on the phones too?
[10:16] <timp> boris_G: yes, phones have unity also, but at the moment it is not the same version as on desktop
[10:17] <timp> it will be the same version in the future
[10:17] <boris_G> cool =)
[10:17] <boris_G> makes sense
[10:17] <boris_G> now, about the hardware
[10:18] <boris_G> will it be open?
[10:18] <boris_G> i want to graft things on
[10:18] <timp> I don't know
[10:18] <boris_G> a la Gizmo4You style stuff
[10:18] <boris_G> mmm
[10:18] <boris_G> is there any way i can find out?
[10:19] <gotwig> hey
[10:20] <boris_G> failing that, does it have USB host?
[10:20] <boris_G> although id prefer to have my 3D depth camera in the body, not a dongle
[10:20] <boris_G> yes, im the kind of moron who solders a PrimeSense camera to his phone, writes software for it, and runs it on his own GSM network...
[10:20] <boris_G> =P
[10:21] <cjwatson> ogra_: infinity's looking at that
[10:21] <gotwig> whats up with the campaign??
[10:21] <ogra_> cjwatson, yeah, we talked in -release
[10:21] <gotwig> there are new options I dont understand
[10:21] <ogra_> ask away, probably we can help :)
[10:22] <gotwig> ogra_: ??
[10:22] <gotwig> there are new Perks, but no one donated for them yet
[10:22] <ogra_> what options do you not understand
[10:22] <gotwig> why do they have different prices
[10:23] <gotwig> 1250 for 625$ 675$  and 725$
[10:23] <gotwig> each
[10:23] <gotwig> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge/x/4032784?c=pledges
[10:23] <aaamir> any idea on how can i test ubuntu touch on my LG LU6200?
[10:23] <ogra_> oh, i see them
[10:24] <gotwig> why there is no update to this
[10:24] <gotwig> no new blog message, nothing
[10:24] <gotwig> people get confused
[10:25] <ogra_> gotwig, infos will come soon i was told
[10:25] <ogra_> they are in the middle of setting it up and will send something out after that
[10:26] <gotwig> I already bought my one ;P
[10:26]  * ogra_ too
[10:27] <gotwig> AskUbuntu: :3
[10:27]  * boris_G is to get there... must buy 3D scanner first in order to make money to buy fancy phones and fancy SDRs...
[10:27] <boris_G> ^.~
[10:27] <boris_G> but im really hoping we make it over the line
[10:28] <boris_G> whats the general mood about that? optimisitc?
[10:29] <gotwig> they should reduce the price
[10:29] <gotwig> to 700$
[10:29] <gotwig> boris_G: you always gottabe an "optimist"... but I think we cant do it
[10:30] <gotwig> we get around 200$ each minute, they are supposed to be 750$ each minute
[10:30] <boris_G> well, that i like the sound of
[10:30] <gotwig> *there
[10:30] <boris_G> makes my intent to invest a sounder thing, if u know what i mean
[10:30] <gotwig> what?
[10:30] <boris_G> well, i could put up the cash, and we lose out by $100,000
[10:31] <boris_G> i dont get fancy phone
[10:31] <boris_G> disappointment
[10:33] <ogra_> cyphermox, i added a fix to lxc-android-config that will create an fstab entry for /factory (if the matching labeled partition is found), sadly  todays image build is already running so it will only make tomorrows image
[10:35]  * ogra_ agrees with gotwig ... we should have gone for 80000 devices and $600 though
[10:37] <ogra_> oh, that would actually have been  400 at 32mio
[10:38] <ogra_> (but i guess it depends on the offer the OEM that builds the device HW gives us ... )
[11:16] <lool> stgraber: are you publishing system-image.u.c by hand?  if yes, mind publishing today's?  :-)
[11:22] <ogra_> lool, i think i saw a cron job
[11:23] <stgraber> lool: it's cronned but takes around 30min to actually do the import and diffs (until we get pxz in precise-cat)
[11:23] <stgraber> lool: I'd expect today's to be published by now, it usually is at 11:19 UTC
[11:24] <ogra_> yeah, the cdimage image comes out around 11
[11:34] <UnacceptableUse> Would it be a good idea to flash Ubuntu Touch on my Galaxy S3?
[11:36] <ogra_> UnacceptableUse, check with the porter for this device
[11:36] <ogra_> !devices| UnacceptableUse
[11:37] <UnacceptableUse> Yeah, I'm on the wiki and it says everything is working relatively well, but then i see it says Known issues: Calls/SMS, so does that mean I can't call or text at all or does it just mean that they are a little funky?
[11:38] <ogra_> UnacceptableUse, there is usually an xda forums thread linked on the wiki
[11:39] <ogra_> try to find out there ... most porters are rather forum junkies :)
[11:39] <UnacceptableUse> ok I see the link thanks
[11:40] <UnacceptableUse> Looks like you can't make any calls at all, that sucks
[11:40] <ogra_> UnacceptableUse, well, people need to file bugs with detailed debugging info so if its not hw specific we can surely help to make it work in the phone stack
[11:42] <ogra_> the prob here is that on the android side through which we route all our stuff to access the HW there is a binary daemon ... and that can even differ per vendor so there might be adjustments needed
[11:42] <ogra_> (specifically for accessing the modem)
[11:49] <seb128> so, design for the sound settings has a "keyboard sound", e.g having a sound played when clicking on an UI element
[11:49] <seb128> is that on the roadmap for the shell or toolkit or mir or ...?
[11:49] <seb128> not sure at what level that should be implemented and where the settings should be stored
[11:49] <seb128> does anyone has an idea on the topic?
[11:49] <seb128> Saviq, ? ;-)
[11:50] <seb128> Kaleo, ^
[11:50] <ogra_> seb128, well, keyboard sound sounds keyboard specific ...
[11:50] <ogra_> (in android you have different settings for UI (buttons) and kbd
[11:50] <ogra_> )
[11:51] <ogra_> (kbd would be tmoenicke iirc)
[11:51] <seb128> good point
[11:51] <Saviq> seb128, IMO it should be canberra...
[11:51] <seb128> there is also a "lock sound" (e.g making a sound when locking/unlocking) ... but I guess that's a greeter thing
[11:51] <Saviq> seb128, it's what it is
[11:51] <Saviq> seb128, but I don't know of what the plan is
[11:51] <seb128> ok
[12:02] <tmoenicke> seb128: keyboard has sound
[12:04] <seb128> tmoenicke, can it be turned on/off and how?
[12:06] <tmoenicke> seb128: it should be like this, in file: /etc/xdg/maliit.org/server.conf
[12:06] <tmoenicke> pluginsettings\libmaliit-keyboard-plugin.so\feedback_enabled         = true
[12:06] <tmoenicke> seb128: but i have not tested it yet
[12:07] <seb128> tmoenicke, ok, I guess you can user overwrite this one (users typically don't have write access to etc)
[12:08] <tmoenicke> seb128: yes, user can have own settings
[12:08] <seb128> great, thanks for the hint
[12:15] <davmor2> ogra_: can you open the rssreader?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rssreader-app/+bug/1204487
[12:23] <john-mcaleely> stgraber, ping
[12:23] <ogra_> davmor2, havent flashed yet
[12:24] <ogra_> davmor2, rsyncing now, i'll check once i have flashed
[12:24] <davmor2> ogra_: thanks
[12:47] <jdstrand> cjwatson: 0.2.6 tested and works like a charm :)
[12:48] <cjwatson> jdstrand: Brilliant
[12:49] <cjwatson> jdstrand: Of course Ted wants to replace it :)
[12:49] <jdstrand> cjwatson: yes, I saw that, but I think it was smart to short-circuit application lifecycle at this point
[12:49] <asac> jdstrand: are you in london?
[12:49] <jdstrand> asac: no
[12:49] <asac> wow
[12:49] <asac> :(
[12:49] <asac> 5:49
[12:49] <jdstrand> it's only 7:49 local
[12:49] <asac> thanks
[12:50] <asac> jdstrand: so you are not home?
[12:50] <jdstrand> I'm home. I'm in Texas
[12:50] <asac> oh you moved :)
[12:50] <asac> gotcha
[12:50] <jdstrand> well, I used to be New York
[12:50] <asac> oh you never were westcoast? :)
[12:51] <jdstrand> but that was a while ago. most of my team is Pacific timezones. maybe that is what you're thinking of?
[12:51] <asac> probably mixup
[12:51] <asac> nevermind
[12:51] <stgraber> john-mcaleely: pong
[12:51] <asac> guess now i will remember :)
[12:51] <jdstrand> hehe
[12:54] <jdstrand> cjwatson: so, for my testing, I have used 'sudo click hook remove apparmor', 'click hook remove desktop', and the like
[12:55] <cjwatson> you can do that although you can also just reinstall the package providing the hook
[12:55] <jdstrand> cjwatson: those would remove (and 'install') everything. is there a way to hook remove/install something for a specific app?
[12:55] <cjwatson> just reinstalling the app will do that
[12:55] <jdstrand> well, it seemed when I reinstalled, the desktop file wouldn't get updated
[12:55] <cjwatson> (iirc)
[12:56] <cjwatson> it will get updated as long as the desktop file in the app is newer, I think
[12:56] <cjwatson> I'm not going to worry too much about it for now since Ted'll be replacing that code anyway :)
[12:56] <cjwatson> in general it's up to the hook
[12:56] <jdstrand> yeah
[12:56] <jdstrand> cjwatson: are you still working out uninstall?
[12:57] <cjwatson> Yeah, it wasn't demo-critical so I deferred it
[12:57] <cjwatson> I expect it to be easy enough
[12:57] <jdstrand> oh sure, just wanted to make sure I didn't miss something
[12:58] <cjwatson> As far as this stuff is concerned it's basically remove per-user symlink and rerun hook
[12:58] <cjwatson> But to make it work properly I need to do GC of unused unpack dirs as well which'll take a bit longer
[12:59]  * jdstrand nods
[12:59] <jdstrand> fyi, it did not update the desktop file when a new one was provided (not that we care)
[13:01] <jdstrand> dholbach: fyi https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement/Manifest#Click. you can point bzoltan at that and especially https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement/Manifest#Putting_it_all_together
[13:02] <jdstrand> I guess I can point bzoltan there too :)
[13:02] <dholbach> :)
[13:02] <jdstrand> bzoltan: hi! :) ^
[13:02] <bzoltan> I am just pointed
[13:02] <dholbach> I'll have a look over it myself
[13:02] <jdstrand> bzoltan, dholbach: let me know if something doesn't make sense
[13:02] <dholbach> will do
[13:03] <jdstrand> dholbach, bzoltan: I should mention that you'll want click >= 0.2.6 and you'll need to install click-apparmor
[13:03] <jdstrand> (on wherever the click package is going to be installed)
[13:04] <jdstrand> I haven't gotten the dependencies uploaded yet
[13:05] <dholbach> I think cjwatson was going to seed click-apparmor for touch soon
[13:05] <cjwatson> Oh, yes, thanks for the reminder
[13:05] <jdstrand> that would work fine
[13:05] <cjwatson> Lunch intervened
[13:06] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu touch for Asus Eee Pad Slider | http://askubuntu.com/q/323864
[13:06] <lool> stgraber: Hmm the timestamp issue actually makes all built android bits be included in deltas every day
[13:06] <lool> stgraber: there are less cases of this in the ubuntu delta though; it's mostly logs and generated files
[13:07] <cjwatson> jdstrand: Which dependencies do you not have uploaded yet?
[13:09] <jdstrand> cjwatson: only click-apparmor should be seeded on the touch image
[13:09] <jdstrand> cjwatson: it Depends on apparmor-easyprof, and that will pull in apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu
[13:10] <jdstrand> I may fiddle with that dependency chain, but not today
[13:10] <cjwatson> Right
[13:11] <ogra_> asac, grouper looks pretty good (only 12 tests failing, but there are another 4 to come though)
[13:12] <cjwatson> jdstrand: done
[13:12] <ogra_> manta doesnt though
[13:12] <ogra_> AskUbuntu, and maguro and mako are still hours away from being done it seems
[13:12] <ogra_> err
[13:12] <ogra_> asac, ^^
[13:15] <jdstrand> ah, qtubuntu also doesn't honor Path= either
[13:15]  * jdstrand will file that bug too
[13:15] <cjwatson> Whoops
[13:15] <jdstrand> it was neat seeing this work in unity7:
[13:16] <jdstrand> aa-exec -p com.ubuntu.developer.jdstrand.evilapp_evilapp_0.1 -- /usr/bin/qmlscene -I backend/modules app/evilapp.qml
[13:16] <jdstrand> I can update my desktop file to make it work
[13:16] <jdstrand> no worries
[13:17] <jdstrand> (I hard code the absolute path)
[13:17] <cjwatson> Yeah.  I don't think that would be workable in the hook though
[13:18] <jdstrand> no. I'm thinking it's a bug since it works fine in unity7
[13:18] <esigolo> i'm getting error on phablet flash
[13:18] <esigolo> rsync: failed to connect to cdimage.ubuntu.com (91.189.92.174): Connection timed out (110)
[13:18] <cjwatson> Saviq: ^- Path= handling in qtubuntu will be pretty critical to making Click packages work.  I believe that Ted's new upstart-based hook relies on Path too (it seems fairly intrinsic)
[13:20] <esigolo> i have the most recent images on my machine
[13:20] <Saviq> cjwatson, jdstrand can you please file bugs against qtubuntu and unity-mir?
[13:20] <cjwatson> jdstrand was going to do so
[13:20] <cjwatson> I won't since I haven't seen it :)
[13:20] <jdstrand> Saviq: absolutely. will do it in a bit. unity-mir is for not honoring Path=?
[13:21] <jdstrand> oh, I think you meant against both. yes, I'll do that
[13:21] <Saviq> jdstrand, both of them, really, we'll reassign as needed
[13:21]  * jdstrand nods
[13:21]  * jdstrand didn't see all the backscroll
[13:31] <cyphermox> ogra_: re: /factory, awesome, thanks!
[13:31] <cyphermox> I don't think the upstart jobs for bluetooth have landed yet anyway, just waiting for review and then I'll upload
[13:31] <cyphermox> rsalveti: ^ ?
[13:32] <ogra_> cyphermox, if you need it before tomorrow, update to the latest lxc-android-config package, rm fstab and reboot
[13:32] <cyphermox> ogra_: that adds the partition in ubuntu right, not in android?
[13:33] <Tony_> Hello everyone!
[13:33] <ogra_> cyphermox, yeah, android has it anyway
[13:33] <rsalveti> cyphermox: not yet, will get this today
[13:33] <Tony_> Can someone help me with coding?
[13:33] <cyphermox> rsalveti: ok
[13:41] <ogra_> cyphermox, dont we ship the upstart jobs in some bluetooth related package ?
[13:42] <cyphermox> ogra_: what package?
[13:42]  * ogra_ wonders what rsalveti will "get to"
[13:42] <cyphermox> ogra_: I don't want to put touch-specific stuff in the bluez package
[13:42] <ogra_> cyphermox, dunno, dont we still have brcm-patchram-plus ?
[13:42] <cyphermox> ogra_: yes we do
[13:42] <rsalveti> ogra_: the mr for that :-)
[13:43] <ogra_> cyphermox, right, just add them there and remove the old cruft
[13:43] <cyphermox> I put the stuff there, just renamed it to bluetooth-touch since it's not necessarily running brcm-patchram-plus
[13:43] <ogra_> ah
[13:43] <cyphermox> it's easy enough to add new configs for other devices there too
[13:43]  * ogra_ thought you guys wanted to add the upstart jobs elsewhere ... that seemed odd
[13:44] <cyphermox> there's basically one bluetooth-touch job that calls a bluetooth-touch-<device codename>
[13:44] <ogra_> right, i have seen the code
[13:44] <ogra_> just wasnt sure which package you wanted to land that in
[13:44] <cyphermox> right
[13:44] <cyphermox> it replaces brcm-patchram-plus
[13:44] <ogra_> (i misread the comment about the upstart jobs)
[13:44] <cyphermox> ok
[13:45] <ogra_> thougth ricardo was referring to them
[13:45]  * ogra_ curses 
[13:45] <ogra_> my maguro doesnt adb push at all anymore
[13:45] <asac> gema: maguro needs rekick i guess
[13:45] <asac> ost stuff didnt run from autopilot
[13:45] <asac> plars: ^
[13:45] <asac> ogra_: why dont you poke :)
[13:45] <ogra_> asac, poke ?
[13:45] <asac> ogra_: to get the results out
[13:45] <ogra_> my broken adb ?
[13:46] <asac> ogra_: dashboard not having all results for maguro
[13:46] <ogra_> yes, i told you so above
[13:47] <asac> ogra_: me? better go to jcollado and friends to get it kicked off :)
[13:47]  * ogra_ is just trying to get his two weeks out of date TODO back on track, like most of us after the last weeks)
[13:47] <asac> ogra_: if results dont show up its usually just a retry
[13:47] <asac> jcollado, doanac and others can do that
[13:47] <ogra_> k
[13:47] <asac> ogra_: yeah. just saying that you can avoid me as proxy :)
[13:47] <esigolo> just flashed last image
[13:47] <ogra_> definitely wont be green today
[13:47] <esigolo> shoul i do sudo apt-get update & upgrade?
[13:48]  * ogra_ sighs ... whats up with adb here ... damned
[13:53] <sergiusens> ogra_: did you enable your usb net stuff?
[13:53] <ogra_> sergiusens, no, its a fresh manual flash
[13:53] <ogra_> the device zip worked fine
[13:53] <ogra_> the big one doesnt
[13:53] <ogra_> oh !
[13:54] <sergiusens> oh?
[13:54] <ogra_> i wasnt aware we can have two adb shell connections open
[13:54] <ogra_> why dont we use that for producing a rpogress bar :)
[13:54] <ogra_> *progress
[13:54]  * ogra_ sees /sdcard/autodeploy.zip growing
[13:55] <sergiusens> '/dev/alog/main': No such file or directory means I need to reboot, right?
[13:55] <sergiusens> ogra_: patience is a virtue they say :-P
[13:55] <ogra_> sergiusens, i waited several times for like 20min ... it is usually done in less than 15
[13:55] <cyphermox> ogra_: my grouper says no permissions...
[13:55] <sergiusens> ogra_: grouper?
[13:55] <ogra_> (and there was no autodeploy.zip shen i stopped
[13:55] <ogra_> maguro
[13:56] <ogra_> *when
[13:56] <ogra_> i also had a few attempts where the push command just quietly returned
[13:56] <jdstrand> arg, Dash doesn't pick up changes to ~/.local/share/applications if it doesn't exist
[13:56] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5907666/
[13:56] <jdstrand> this is slowly killing me :)
[13:57] <jcollado> ogra_: What results are you missing for maguro?
[13:58] <ogra_> jcollado, afaik there are 133 tests per device ... maguro is at 36 now
[13:58] <ogra_> and was stuck with 11 for quite a while
[13:59] <ogra_> (according to http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/)
[14:01] <jcollado> ogra_: From what I see cjohnston already restarted the apps job and the tests are running.
[14:01] <ogra_> yeah, as i said, it was at 11 for a while before ... seems it moved now
[14:02] <nik90> if you are guys are intersted in seeing the ubuntu edge progress check out http://ubuntu-edge.info/
[14:02] <nik90> I just found in the ubuntu subreddit
[14:02] <nik90> :)
[14:03] <ogra_> nik90, oh, was it fixed ??
[14:03] <ogra_> no, still broken here
[14:03] <nik90> ogra_: what do you mean broken?
[14:03] <ogra_> ah, no, just took a moment to load
[14:03] <ogra_> nik90, it was unreachable for tehe last hour
[14:03] <nik90> ah ok
[14:04]  * ogra_ likes how the curve got steep again
[14:05] <nik90> not sure how frequently it is updated
[14:07] <ogra_> often enough to show the impact the new $625 pledges :)
[14:08] <nik90> :)
[14:15] <ogra_> davmor2, rss reader is white for me
[14:15] <davmor2> ogra_: yeap someone else beat you to the confirm :)
[14:16] <ogra_> yeah, just clicking "me too"
[14:17] <davmor2> ogra_: on a plus side it seems to of fixed the issue with the battery
[14:17] <ogra_> well, did you reboot since you had it ?
[14:17]  * ogra_ always tends to blame ueventd if anything goes 100% and stuck
[14:17] <plars> asac: was on a call, when I looked before they were all running, looks like some still are and a few have shown up since. I'll check the status of them though
[14:18] <davmor2> ogra_: well I put todays image on it :)
[14:18] <ogra_> oh, i thought you saw it with todays
[14:18] <davmor2> ogra_: the issue was with yesterdays
[14:19] <ogra_> ah
[14:19] <asac> plars: please keep bfiller posted
[14:19] <ogra_> who cares about yesterday ... thats so pastish
[14:19] <asac> plars: he is waiting for maguro results
[14:20] <plars> asac: it's on the last test I believe
[14:21] <davmor2> ogra_: I'd of cared if it was on todays too
[14:21] <ogra_> yeah, it is at 110
[14:22] <firefox> Hi Guys, need ubuntu touch for Galaxy Tab P5100 (WIFI + 3G)
[14:23] <ogra_> firefox, check if someone has ported it on the device wikipage
[14:23] <ogra_> !devices | firefox
[14:23] <ogra_> firefox, if not, you would have to do a port yourself (see channel topic for a link to the porting guide)
[14:24] <firefox> unfortunately it is not in there
[14:25] <ogra_> plars, whats the reason the dashboard doesnt show the same final numbers for all devices ?
[14:25] <ogra_> does it count retsrted tests twice ?
[14:25] <ogra_> *restarted
[14:25] <ogra_> the 20130722 image seems to have 133 tests for all device, i would have expected the same for the next images
[14:26] <ogra_> but seems thats not the case
[14:28] <plars> ogra_: some of those tests were still in progress, and it scrapes those results, used to be every 30 min or an hour I think, but they are working toward it happening every 15 min
[14:28] <ogra_> plars, well, that doesnt explain why there are 148 tests for manta today
[14:28] <ogra_> or why there were only 129 for maguro yesterday
[14:29] <ogra_> the total isnt consistent, while i think it shooudl be
[14:29] <plars> ogra_: no idea on manta, that makes no sense to me. I saw it, but haven't had a chance to look at why
[14:30] <plars> ogra_: I think the 129 is probably because the sdk and security tests didn't run
[14:30] <ogra_> yeah
[14:30] <ogra_> cant you have a wrapper job that re-triggers them automatically until you get a result ?
[14:31] <ogra_> seems a bit suboptimal that someone has to watch the dashboard all the time
[14:31] <ogra_> (which seems ot be my new job now)
[14:40] <plars> ogra_: the 148 result seems to be because the share app test picked up a bad result file, haven't seen this happen before but I'm rerunning it
[14:41] <plars> ogra_: I can look into that for some problems, but we can't just tell it "if the test fails, rerun" otherwise legitimate failures put it in an endless loop
[14:42] <ogra_> no, you should re-run if the test doesnt return a result after n minutes
[14:43] <ogra_> just script what you would do by hand otherwise ;)
[14:50] <tvoss> seb128, ping
[14:51] <didrocks> rsalveti: hey, do you know if we can prevent the phone to go to sleep mode?
[14:51] <didrocks> rsalveti: that would be great for testing to avoid side-effects
[14:51] <ogra_> powerd-cli
[14:51] <didrocks> (like dbus call hanging)
[14:51] <rsalveti> yeah, ^
[14:51] <ogra_> (was in plenty mails)
[14:51] <didrocks> ogra_: too many emails on that list :p
[14:51] <ogra_> haha
[14:51] <rsalveti> you can keep it active, keep the screen active as well
[14:52] <didrocks> excellent!
[14:52] <didrocks> thanks ogra_, rsalveti :)
[14:52] <rsalveti> popey: ping
[14:53] <davmor2> rsalveti: ETOOEARLYFORPOPEY
[14:53] <rsalveti> crap
[14:53] <rsalveti> thought he was a bot
[14:54] <davmor2> rsalveti: he'll be on shortly-ish about an hour at a guess
[14:54] <rsalveti> great, thanks :-)
[14:56] <seb128> tvoss, hey
[14:56] <tvoss> seb128, hey, can you give me an update on the state of system properties? That is, exposing certain properties to apps
[14:58] <spreelanka> touch is the os that the ubuntu Edge is going to run, correct?
[14:59] <seb128> tvoss, we don't "expose" anything (e.g we don't have a service), we just read/write values owned by others (e.g system settings is mostly a frontend)
[14:59] <ogra_> spreelanka, yes, though it will offer an android dual boot option too
[14:59] <ogra_> so you can choose which yoou like more :)
[14:59] <tvoss> seb128, do we have a plan in place? like using gsettings?
[15:00] <seb128> tvoss, what we current do is read/write of gsettings key and talk dbus to other services
[15:00] <tvoss> seb128, isn't gsettings on the bus, too?
[15:00] <seb128> tvoss, do you ask for the orientation discussion?
[15:00] <tvoss> seb128, yeah, but interested in a slightly broader scope
[15:00] <spreelanka> ogra_: i also saw that eventually the ubuntu app on android is going to run the pc-mode
[15:01] <spreelanka> without rebooting, so not so much dual boot as a shared/vm type thing
[15:01] <seb128> tvoss, you can see gsettings key as shared property I guess, yes
[15:01] <om26er> which is the most reliable way to get internet on the device from command line ?
[15:01] <om26er> or recommended
[15:02] <ogra_> speno eventiually ... it will be there from the beginning :)
[15:02] <seb128> tvoss, but so far the scope if for system properties, it's not clear yet what settings api apps are going to use (they are not going to have full access to the gsettings tree for sure)
[15:02] <ogra_> spreelanka, ^^^
[15:13] <ogra_> davmor2, does your 3G work on maguro today ?
[15:21] <seb128> hum, do we have a contact picker somewhere in our apis (or is that planned)?
[15:22] <ogra_> isnt that in the phone app ?
[15:24] <seb128> ogra_, is that exposed to other apps and how can I access it?
[15:24] <ogra_> oh, you said api
[15:25] <seb128> yes ;-)
[15:25] <ogra_> not sure thats exposed
[15:25] <ogra_> bfiller's team is working on that
[15:25] <ogra_> iirc
[15:26] <seb128> bfiller, ^ can you help there? (I'm looking at it for system settings, there is a "call diversion" setting that is supposed to let you pick a contact/number)
[15:26] <bfiller> seb128: we're working on a qml component that gives the contact list, renato can point you in right direction
[15:27] <seb128> bfiller, thanks
[15:27] <seb128> renato, ^
[15:27] <seb128> renato, is there something I can play with already?
[15:31] <davmor2> ogra_: it does
[15:31] <ogra_> awe, ^^^
[15:34] <davmor2> awe: daft questions first, you did switch it on right?  does ifconfig list rmnet0? does your provider show correctly in Cellular in settings?  those are the 3 things I check
[15:34] <plars> ogra_: looks like some tests got better, others got worse... looking at maguro for instance, phone and galery are passing more tests now, but camera had more failures on today's image than yesterdays
[15:36] <ogra_> plars, ah, thats what i get for just looking at the total numbers
[15:37] <plars> ogra_: it's kind of a pain to compare individual tests in the dashboard right now, I'll talk to the guys that work on it about that. I'm sure that would help if we could have an indicator of how much up/down each one was from the previous run at least
[15:37] <ogra_> yeah
[15:37] <renato> seb128, the code is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~renatofilho/address-book-app/favorite-list , but it is not merged yet and the API can change
[15:37] <tvoss> seb128, can you please check if gsettings is usable for us to communicate system properties?
[15:38] <seb128> renato, ok, thanks ... do you have an estimate when it will be merged?
[15:39] <seb128> tvoss, do you need apps to access system properties? if you do that's probably not the right solution since those are going to be isolated from the system db
[15:39] <tvoss> seb128, both, system and shell level
[15:40] <seb128> tvoss, yes, gsettings is fine for system/shell, you get notifications when the key value change
[15:41] <tvoss> seb128, and that can be security mediated via dbus?
[15:41] <tvoss> seb128, sorry, I meant system and session level
[15:41] <seb128> tvoss, there is a plan for security mediation but it's not on the 13.10 roadmap, rather 14.04
[15:42] <seb128> tvoss, so for 13.10 we can only use it for system properties
[15:42] <tvoss> seb128, ack and thx, will take the question back to the security team, too
[15:43] <seb128> yw
[15:44] <AskUbuntu> Will Canonical make a Tablet like Ubuntu Edge? | http://askubuntu.com/q/323942
[15:44] <Namidairo> no.
[15:44] <renato> seb128, until the end of the week for sure
[15:45] <seb128> renato, ok, thanks
[15:45] <savagejen> So will the Edge have a swappable battery?
[15:46] <savagejen> Because if this thing is both a phone and a computer, being able to carry backup batteries and swap them will be important.
[15:46] <savagejen> especially at events, cons and burning man and camping trips and the like
[15:48] <mhr3> seb128, would you have a moment for a chat about settings?
[15:48] <seb128> mhr3, IRC chat or hangout?
[15:49] <mhr3> seb128, hangout
[15:49] <mhr3> seb128, typing is boring :)
[15:49] <seb128> mhr3, hum, I'm trying to get some work done, can we keep it short?
[15:49] <mhr3> seb128, short is my middle name
[15:50] <mhr3> ehm
[15:50] <seb128> mhr3, ;-)
[15:50] <mhr3> sounded better in my head... :P
[15:50] <seb128> mhr3, ok, give me a min
[15:51] <ogra_> savagejen, i dont think thats known yet, though the new battery technology should give us a lot more capacity
[15:51] <savagejen> hm
[15:52] <savagejen> I emailed indiegogoinfo@canonical.com
[15:52] <seb128> mhr3, ok, whenever you want
[15:52] <savagejen> so hopefully they respond
[15:52] <savagejen> but I am really tired of phones that I can't swap the battery on
[16:09]  * kalikiana only ever takes out phone batteries because SIM cards tend to be below them
[16:10] <rantic> Hey everyone, I made my pledge for the new edge coming out but had a curious question to ask. Does anyone know what wireless keyboard is used during the promo video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQLe3iIMN7k&feature=player_detailpage&t=80
[16:17] <om26er> Saviq, hey! unity8 consumes like 30-40 cpu every now and then, had to restart it quite a few times :/
[16:18] <jo-erlend> apt-get dist-upgrade should work for phablet as well?
[16:18] <om26er> any logs you would care for ?
[16:18] <om26er> most of the times I know that when by pocket gets hot :p
[16:18] <jo-erlend> :)
[16:19] <jo-erlend> my Nexus 7 used more power than could be delivered from the USB port on my desktop :)
[16:20] <rantic> I like watching the pledges come in real time :p
[16:21] <rantic> Anyone think they'll actually reach 32 million?
[16:21] <Lizards|Work> nope
[16:21] <rantic> I feel like they've already seen the bulk of interest in the phone
[16:23] <Lizards|Work> even at $625 it'd be a hard sell for me to walk up to my wife and tell her i want a converged device
[16:25] <w-flo> I like having separate bank accounts :D
[16:25] <w-flo> but still, it's hard for me to convince myself that I need a converged device for $625 :)
[16:25] <Lizards|Work> right
[16:25] <Lizards|Work> that's my poin
[16:25] <Lizards|Work> t
[16:26] <nawk> that's pretty said for a grown-ass man to have to ask for permission to purchase a $600 product for himself :)
[16:26] <nawk> sad*
[16:26] <Lizards|Work> just sayin, if i'm spending more than what somebody earning minimum wage makes in 2 weeks... i think i should verify that she doesn't care
[16:27] <rantic> it's a hard sell
[16:27] <rantic> Hi honey, I'd like to buy this phone that doesn't exist yet and might not get made.
[16:27] <Lizards|Work> "wifelady, i need to upgrade something. either the pc or my phone. both will cost the same."
[16:29] <timp> Lizards|Work: "pc is bigger, so more value for your money" ;)
[16:29] <Lizards|Work> size doesn't matter ;)
[16:29] <Lizards|Work> also, upgrading from 8gb ram in a pc is way different than upgrading from 1gb ram to 4gb ram in a phone
[16:30] <nawk> as long as your 2-week paycheck way more than 6 bills, you should be aight. :-) anyway, I knew from the start they were going to do multiple rounds of $600 perks.  So you've got plenty of time to decide.
[16:30] <w-flo> actually I'm not convinced yet that a high-end ARM cpu is a decent replacement for my 5 years old AMD quadcore.. :D
[16:31] <Lizards|Work> my first gen core i3 will still probably walk on it ;)
[16:32] <w-flo> (quite the opposite)
[16:32] <savagejen> w-flo, I probably won't use it as a primary machine, but it will be nice to have on trips
[16:32] <savagejen> depending on how the docking works
[16:32] <w-flo> savagejen, that's right. But I guess something like the nexus7 should be enough for when I'm on a trip
[16:33] <savagejen> this fits in a clutch
[16:33] <savagejen> as it is, I lug around a laptop sized purse
[16:33] <savagejen> but I'm sure my use case is different than many
[16:33] <sbeattie> cjwatson: thanks for the review, and doh! :)
[16:33] <Lizards|Work> i'm not sure, i'm thinking with that much power, if we can get it to miracast/dlna whatever... i might not need a pc
[16:34] <w-flo> sure, it has advantages, and it's pretty cool. but quite expensive.. :)
[16:34] <savagejen> I wonder  if touch screen monitors will work with it
[16:34] <savagejen> for the docking
[16:37] <nawk> I think it is safe to say if the campaign reach 70-75%, they will reach their goal, especially if they've made arrangements with banks/investors.
[16:47] <stgraber> lool, barry: I have now landed code to automatically cleanup system-image, I'm keeping the last 10 builds and their associated deltas
[16:48] <ogra_> stgraber, didnt you have planned to keep monthly snapshots too ?
[16:48] <ogra_> or do i remember that wrong
[16:49] <g0twig> howdy
[16:49] <g0twig> when is marks keynote on oscon?
[16:49] <stgraber> ogra_: yeah, but that'll be for the stable channel, for the daily channel it makes a bit less sense
[16:50] <g0twig> what time is it? pacific?
[16:50] <ogra_> oh, indeed
[16:50] <stgraber> ogra_: note that this is the last 10 images, not the last 10 days so it may be way more than 10 days
[16:50] <ogra_> yeah
[16:50] <ogra_> especially in case you pull from /current
[16:50] <ogra_> which you should at some point
[16:51] <g0twig> ogra_: help :D
[16:51] <ogra_> g0twig, heh, no idea, popey might know
[16:58] <tbear> possible stupid question. Where can I find the current status of the developer preview IE features things working/not?
[16:58] <mhall119> tbear: you can install it and see
[16:58] <tbear> ok thank you
[16:58] <mhall119> tbear: there isn't any one place where we list all of the current and planned features and their status
[16:59] <mhall119> with daily releases, it would be a pain to keep such a list up to date anyway
[16:59] <tbear> I will just take the plunge :) thank you!
[16:59] <mhall119> that's the best way, plus it's fun :)
[17:07] <gema> how do I subscribe to ubuntu-phone, the mailing?
[17:08] <gema> sergiusens, ogra_ ^?
[17:09] <ogra_> gema, on launchpad iirc
[17:10] <ogra_> gema, https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-phone
[17:10] <gema> ogra_: so I just join the team?
[17:10] <ogra_> bottom left has email stuff for me, but i'm also a team member
[17:10] <gema> ogra_: got it, thanks
[17:11]  * ogra_ forgot if he had to join for getting into the ML
[17:12] <gema> ogra_: I wonder if I am on the mailing, havent received any confirmation
[17:12] <gema> anyway, I will send an email and find out
[17:12] <gema> ogra_: thanks
[17:16] <sergiusens> ogra_: yeah, need to be a team memeber
[17:21] <cyphermox> ogra_: I'm still seeing the same old crashes with a bluetooth keyboard, when pairing
[17:21] <cyphermox> at least on mako and maguro; not on grouper
[17:23] <ogra_> thats funny
[17:23] <ogra_> since they were grouper specific in the beginning
[17:25] <cyphermox> that bug was never grouper-specific
[17:26] <cyphermox> we just never had anything else to test on
[17:26] <cyphermox> it's pretty broken
[17:27] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5908289/
[17:27] <cyphermox> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5908288/
[17:27] <cyphermox> ^ same as before
[17:27] <cyphermox> doesn't crash in valgrind, as before :)
[17:27] <ogra_> oh man
[17:27] <cyphermox> I did find something funky though, so I'll go grab lunch while this slowly builds on my mako
[17:28] <ogra_> you need an edge !
[17:29] <ogra_> mako ... slow stuff ...
[17:29] <cyphermox> ahaha
[17:29] <cyphermox> perhaps I'll get an edge one day, when it's affordable :)
[17:30] <ogra_> from ebay ?
[17:30] <ogra_> they wont go on sale
[17:30] <cyphermox> hahah :)
[17:30] <Alvaro___> ola pessoal
[17:30]  * cyphermox -> lunch
[17:31] <cyphermox> ogra_: 600+ is still more than I'm willing to spend
[17:31] <ogra_> well
[17:31] <cyphermox> I got other hobbies that are this expensive, one is enough :)
[17:31] <ogra_> its a laptop in a phone case
[17:32] <ogra_> there wont be a cheapo MMC in it :)
[17:33]  * Namidairo looks at 2012 Nexus 7
[17:41] <jdstrand> Saviq: fyi, filed ealier bugs here: bug #1204595 bug #1204596 bug #1204599
[17:41] <jdstrand> s/ealier/earlier/
[17:46] <ekz> good afternoon
[17:47] <annerajb> ekz: hello
[17:48] <ekz> is ubuntu touch? for mobile terminals? what are the basic requirements for it?
[17:48] <ekz> or what is the best option now to use linux on mobile phones or terminals?
[17:49] <mhall119> ekz: the basic requirement for Ubuntu Touch is an Android device with Cyanogenmod support
[17:49] <mhall119> !devices | ekz
[17:51] <ekz> is this the latest linux dev for mobile? or are there some more in the market?
[17:57] <ekz> there is no support for iphones running linux i guess
[17:57] <rantic> ekz: I heard about this Android thing a few years ago
[17:57] <Lizards|Work> and WebOS
[17:57] <Lizards|Work> i heard that was linux
[17:58] <ekz> ive heard about open iboot! anyone? it just boots, apple os or a console for booting linux
[17:59] <rantic> what do you mean latest linux dev for mobile
[17:59] <rantic> physical devices? operating systems? bits of software?
[17:59] <Lizards|Work> i think (s)he means iPhone-centric
[18:01] <ekz> no i was meaning around ARM processors or new things, cause it appears its just for android , and not that much info on the ios
[18:01] <Lizards|Work> iOS is closed source
[18:01] <rantic> closed source but open minded to idea theft
[18:01] <rantic> :D
[18:01] <Lizards|Work> :D
[18:02] <Lizards|Work> takes experts to do it without getting pants sued off
[18:02] <ekz> that doesnt mean it could not be linux running under an IOS device
[18:02] <k1l_> ekz: to jailbreak iphones is not a topic for this channel
[18:02] <k1l_> ekz: again: #ubuntu-touch for phone related support or the offtopic #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:02] <ekz> its not the case
[18:03] <rantic> Lizards|Work: Experts who steal an idea or concept, then successfully patent it.
[18:03] <Lizards|Work> irrelevant, blatant plagiarism regardless of how they accomplish it
[18:04] <ekz> if u install a linux on any other device theres a way to improve or understand more whats happening inside the device , so i was wondering if i could run some test on my phone thtas it :)
[18:05] <Lizards|Work> that's... but... no.
[18:06] <rantic> ekz: What on earth are you talking about?
[18:07] <Lizards|Work> one does not simply install linux on closed source hardware
[18:08] <ekz>  should i only use an android device  ...
[18:08] <rantic> you're so random and off the charts
[18:08] <rantic> it's like you're typing what 5 different people ask you to
[18:09] <ekz> im sorry my english is not that good
[18:09] <rantic> What do you want?
[18:22] <Saviq> om26er, bug #1201116
[18:24] <Saviq> cjwatson, jdstrand, I just undertood properly what the bugs are about - so we need to change CWD to Path before launching the app?
[18:25] <Saviq> tvoss, rsalveti can you https://code.launchpad.net/~ricmm/platform-api/clear-traps-if-no-client/+merge/176428 ?
[18:26] <om26er> Saviq, cool, what about this bug 1201106
[18:27] <Saviq> om26er, only thing at this point we could do is rewrite the thing in C++ - it's been looked at heavily from JS PoV
[18:27] <Saviq> om26er, there's just a *lot* of interpolation going on there
[18:28] <Saviq> om26er, it also creates / destroys the tiles
[18:28] <Saviq> om26er, so it's loading the images
[18:28] <om26er> Saviq, so it was hackish thing for the Demo :)
[18:28] <Saviq> om26er, not really
[18:28] <Saviq> om26er, it's a computation-heavy component
[18:29] <om26er> Saviq, right so the bug is valid, I hope we'll have it fixed for october
[18:30] <Saviq> om26er, no chance
[18:30] <om26er> :/
[18:30] <Saviq> om26er, it's not computation-heavy because it's bad
[18:30] <Saviq> om26er, it's computation-heavy because the design requires it
[18:31] <om26er> Saviq, there are always optimizations that could help some heaviness, right?
[18:31] <Saviq> om26er, it was already looked at from this point of view, and there's only so much you can do with JS
[18:33] <Saviq> om26er, don't get me wrong, it'd be great to have it fixed, there's just a LOT of stuff with higher priority
[18:33] <Saviq> om26er, it's not like the Edge will lack CPU power :D
[18:33] <om26er> hahah
[18:34] <Saviq> $5M
[18:34] <Saviq> btw
[18:34] <mmcc`> Hi folks, I'm trying to debug a click package created by qtcreator, as installed using 'sudo click install foo.click' on the device (a nexus 7) - it doesn't appear to put a .desktop file anywhere, so I just linked to the one in the installed dir. However, it's still not running correctly (clicking on the icon displays a plain white screen). Is there a log somewhere I can look at to debug? TIA
[18:34] <om26er> Saviq, I don't mind it but CPU usage would hurt battery
[18:34] <om26er> I have a tab opened which I refresh 10 times in an hour :p
[18:35] <mhall119> Just hit $5 million on the Ubuntu Edge campaign
[18:35] <ogra_> in 3 days !
[18:35] <timp> \o/
[18:35] <Saviq> mhall119, beat you to it! ;P
[18:36] <mhall119> ogra_: 2.25 days, technically
[18:36] <ogra_> om26er, we all do ... this will be the least productive month in canonicals history
[18:36] <bcurtiswx> \o/
[18:36] <Saviq> ogra_, om26er well, some people are running the awesome indicator ;)
[18:36] <khanji> brand new to this IRC chat
[18:36] <Saviq> btw, I just got the Firefox OS phone to bring with me to IoM
[18:36] <ogra_> Saviq, yeahm thats nice as a sideshow
[18:37] <Saviq> if anyone wants me to check something, ping me
[18:37] <Saviq> I'll try and do a report after some time of usage
[18:37] <ogra_> ++
[18:37] <bcurtiswx> im worried for the ubuntu edge and having verizon network, i know their on advisory panel, but i also know verizon.. lol
[18:37] <Lizards|Work> Saviq, is there a netflix app yet?
[18:38] <Saviq> Lizards|Work, I'm in PL, no Netflix here
[18:38] <mhall119> mmcc`: try #ubuntu-app-devel channel for Click related questions
[18:38] <Lizards|Work> verizon actually has the best coverage around here, even though rootmetrics seems to favor at&t
[18:38] <mmcc`> mhall119: ack, thanks
[18:39] <mhall119> bcurtiswx: yeah, Edge will be GSM only I think, so Verizon won't activate it on their network
[18:39] <Lizards|Work> ^
[18:39] <Lizards|Work> that's brutal
[18:39] <bcurtiswx> mhall119, yeah, otherwise i woulda jumped into the pool of people spending 830 bucks (or whatever it is)
[18:40] <ogra_> and the advisory board isnt attached to the edge ... thats a pretty special canonical thing
[18:40] <ogra_> the advisory board will care for mainstream phones i guess
[18:40] <ogra_> (though the edge campaign might make them re-think, who knows :) )
[18:41] <bcurtiswx> all around it's exciting, but being a verizon customer and the lengths verizon goes through to control everything... sucks
[18:42] <Lizards|Work> heh
[18:42]  * ogra_ bets there will be ubuntu touch verizon phones 
[18:42] <Lizards|Work> meanwhile on sprint, i get no coverage and i'm locked into a cdma provider
[18:42] <ogra_> just not edges
[18:42] <bcurtiswx> i agree, heavily controlled ones though
[18:44] <rsalveti> don't we have lte for verizon?
[18:44] <ogra_> oh, that could be
[18:45] <ogra_> that new stuff ...
[18:45] <ogra_> i always forget about it
[18:55] <Stskeeps> ee
[18:55] <nathaneltitane> I WANT U4A NOW!!!!!!
[18:55] <nathaneltitane> hello by the way :)
[18:55] <nathaneltitane> random question: any of you backing ubuntu edge?
[18:56]  * ogra_ guesses many in here do 
[18:57] <nathaneltitane> just asking
[18:57] <nathaneltitane> i'M really hesitating
[18:57] <nathaneltitane> but man o man T.T - if shuttleworth delivers on the promise, all hell is going to break loose
[18:57] <ogra_> well, dont hesitate to long, the cheap options will soon be gone
[18:58] <ogra_> why wouldnt we deliver ?
[18:58] <ogra_> :)
[18:59] <nathaneltitane> well, I'M not saying you wouldn't, though there is so much room for compromise these days, I sure hope Mark doesn't let any set in
[19:00] <nathaneltitane> i'M an industrial designer, and unfortunately, projects don't always follow that perfect straight line.. you know?
[19:00] <ogra_> heh, yeah, to well
[19:00] <nathaneltitane> you think i cant go wront at 675?
[19:00] <nathaneltitane> wrong*
[19:00] <w-flo> indiegogo should fix their race condition.. the $625 is over-claimed just like the $600 one was :)
[19:00] <ogra_> well, you culd have done better at $600 :)
[19:01] <nathaneltitane> i didnt notice :(
[19:01] <nathaneltitane> still a bargain compared to 8 something
[19:01] <ogra_> if you want it i would go with the 675
[19:01] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: you said 'we' before.. you work for canonical?
[19:01] <ogra_> and even if we cant deliver the full experience on day one for some odd reason, you  *will* get it
[19:01] <mterry_> bfiller, heyo.  We should catch up sometime on greeter modes for camera and phone
[19:02] <mterry_> bfiller, I want to make sure there are no surprises for either of us  :)
[19:02] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, yes, but we also have enugh devs in here that help as volunteers
[19:02] <ogra_> (who would have said "we" as well i hope :) )
[19:03] <tedg> mhall119, There is no "HUD documentation" anymore, it's all the Unity Actions API now.
[19:03] <tedg> mhall119, I can't post on G+
[19:03] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: oh, was just wondering
[19:03] <bfiller> mterry: yeah indeed
[19:04] <bfiller> mterry: we don't have any work items currently planned for those so would be good to know what is needed
[19:04] <Notionwork> Heyo peeps! Anyone know if the Ubuntu Edge will be able to run other distros of Linux, since it can run a full Ubuntu install?
[19:04] <mterry> bfiller, shall I schedule a hangout today or tomorrow?
[19:04] <Notionwork> Aka can we hack the shit out of it?
[19:04] <bfiller> mterry: tomorrow would be good
[19:04] <Notionwork> If so I am soooooo buying one.
[19:04] <mterry> bfiller, ok.  let me invite ya
[19:04] <ogra_> Notionwork, you can ... though it will by default only support Mir as displayserver
[19:05] <k1l> Notionwork: i bet it will. but the question is: do you want a old desktop linux running on that device?
[19:05] <Notionwork> Even in full mode?
[19:05] <ogra_> since thats one of the core parts  of convergence
[19:05] <Notionwork> Ahhh...
[19:05] <mhall119> tedg: blocked form G+ or something?
[19:06] <ogra_> Mir wasnt started to make the wayland people grumpy :)
[19:06] <k1l> ogra_: what about old xorg drivers on the android kernel?
[19:06] <ogra_> there are tech reasons behind it
[19:06] <tedg> mhall119, Yes, because I'm not a member of their community.
[19:06] <ogra_> k1l, they might work, you might even get away with using xfbdev
[19:06] <Notionwork> orga_: Cool
[19:07] <ogra_> but i doubt you will be able to switch back and forth between the OSes then
[19:07] <ogra_> (i.e. you can run the edge as a permanent desktop device that way for sure ... )
[19:07] <k1l> ogra_: well, it wont be an "i just install $distro and it works" anyway
[19:07] <ogra_> right
[19:08] <ogra_> there will be XMir and all desktops that run on it will be possible to be used
[19:08] <mhall119> tedg: do we have example of using the new Actions API to put stuff into the HUD?
[19:09] <ogra_> (but i.e. KDE upstream outright refuxes to support it ... so you might not be able to run KDE)
[19:09] <Notionwork> The reason I ask is because I have an application that has many capabilities that can only be used when a full Linux, Mac, or Windows OS is supported. Hence why it's awesome to hear that a full Linux distro is supported!
[19:09] <tedg> mhall119, I don't know that, I've been kinda detached from it.  I did the lower level stuff.  You'd have to ask Wellark.
[19:09] <Notionwork> Like running ZeroMQ etc.
[19:09] <Notionwork> Which you obviously can't do on Android or IOS
[19:09] <Notionwork> Or Windows Phone
[19:09] <ogra_> Notionwork, even the plain phone OS we work on in here is just a normal ubuntu
[19:10] <tedg> mhall119, AFAIK all HUD integration is Actions API now.
[19:10] <ogra_> not much different from the one you would find on a desktop
[19:10] <Notionwork> orga_: Dope. So you could potentially run a web server and other stuff that you wouldn't normally be able to do on more locked down mobile OSes?
[19:11] <Notionwork> orga_: Sweet!
[19:11] <ogra_> right
[19:11] <Lizards|Work> could always run lighthttpd on webOS
[19:11] <ogra_> you could even run a cloud ;)
[19:11] <Notionwork> orga_: And run python or Ruby, or C++ applications and librarys etc.
[19:11] <ogra_> yes
[19:11] <Notionwork> orga_: Dope!
[19:12] <sha512> hello people
[19:12] <Notionwork> orga_: Whoa Ubuntu OS in my opinion is then quite a game changer!
[19:12] <sha512> would ubuntu phone be available only for prebookers/donaters or would people be able to buy it after release
[19:13] <Notionwork> sha512: As far as I know it's only for donors as it's a limited production run...
[19:13] <sha512> ok thanks mate :)
[19:13] <ogra_> sha512, the edge wont go on sale
[19:14] <ogra_> but there surely will be other (less powerful though) ubuntu ohones in the next year too
[19:14] <ogra_> *phones
[19:15] <sha512> thanks orga_ for the info
[19:15] <k1l> if the edge crowdfunding only did start some weeks later. i am waiting on some money to come in :/
[19:16] <nathaneltitane> kil: same here... my cc is toasted :(
[19:16] <Notionwork> ogra_: In terms of the phone it's really the best you can buy right now.
[19:16] <k1l> and the edge would fit perfect as the next device after the nexus4 in next summer
[19:17] <ogra_> well, you still have ~4 weeks
[19:17] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: reassure me... U4A is going to be available as an idependant software pack right?
[19:17] <Notionwork> ogra_: I just wish it was coming out sooner!
[19:17] <jdstrand> Saviq: sorry I missed your question. http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-latest.html has this to say about 'Path': "If entry is of type Application, the working directory to run the program in."
[19:18] <jdstrand> Saviq: so yes, CWD to that
[19:18] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, i dont know ... U4A happens in a different area of canonical ... it will be preinstalled on the edge android install though
[19:19] <k1l> the u4a was demoed with the nexus4. i would like to test that, too
[19:19] <nathaneltitane> whom can i address this to then?
[19:19] <nathaneltitane> k1l: YES!!!!
[19:20] <ogra_> it might be that it stays somethign for carriers to preinstall and for the edge exclusively ... i dont know the plans here
[19:20] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: no no no. very bad idea
[19:20] <k1l> yes, that is what i thought, too.
[19:22] <Notionwork> orga_: The phone will be carrier independent though right?
[19:22] <Lizards|Work> GSM most likely
[19:23] <ogra_> LTE and GSM
[19:23] <ogra_> and yes, no carrier attached
[19:23] <ogra_> bring your own SIM ;)
[19:23] <Notionwork> That's what I wanted to hear!
[19:23] <Lizards|Work> an LTE only phone on a network where there are giant gaps between LTE coverage would be an awful thing to be saddled with
[19:24] <ogra_> thats why it has GSM :)
[19:24] <ogra_> covers most of the world ...
[19:24] <Lizards|Work> i know, cdma carriers don't play nice
[19:24] <ogra_> except some development countries like the US
[19:24] <ogra_> :)
[19:24] <tassadar_> ^^
[19:26] <Notionwork> Yeah so will it not work with CDMA?
[19:26] <ogra_> right
[19:27] <Notionwork> I like the concept of GSM much more, but I currently get a fat discount and unlimited data through Sprint...
[19:27] <Lizards|Work> ^^^^^^^
[19:27] <Lizards|Work> that's my dilemma
[19:27] <Notionwork> Fuuuuck....
[19:27] <Lizards|Work> when LTE exists in my area, it's going to be a lot harder to leave sprint
[19:27] <ogra_> yeah, like most americans
[19:28] <Lizards|Work> just because i don't exercise and my diet is almost exclusively fast food doesn't mean i'm american
[19:28] <w-flo> ogra_, is there any chance for the generic initrd to become smaller than it is currently? Just noticed my old phone's /boot is  4mb (wooow :D) and I guess the initrd file is supposed to fit in there..
[19:28] <ogra_> heh, i didnt mean to pffend anyone :)
[19:29] <Lizards|Work> (i'm american)
[19:30] <ogra_> w-flo, hmm, i dont think it can get much smaller, due to us shipping adbd inside ...
[19:30] <Notionwork> So the Edge wont work on Sprint at all?
[19:30] <Lizards|Work> probably not
[19:30] <Notionwork> God damn it!
[19:30] <w-flo> ogra_, okay, fine. It's probably about time to sell that old piece of hardware anyway..
[19:30] <ogra_> rsalveti, what do you think ... ?
[19:30] <Lizards|Work> if it has 1900mHz LTE it could, but you'd have to get sprint to accept the meid
[19:30] <Notionwork> I almost want to buy it anyway...
[19:30] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: you mean to say you're working with google on this?
[19:31] <ogra_> rsalveti, do we want to support phones with very small /boot ? (i could drop adbd again that would cut the initrd in half)
[19:31] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, with google ?
[19:32] <nathaneltitane> all the android related stuff
[19:32]  * rsalveti looking
[19:32] <tyhicks> sforshee: Hello - I was asking mfisch some questions about long running performance tests on Touch devices and he suggested I hop over here
[19:32] <ogra_> w-flo, the rough over the thumb rule we made was to say 8M is a minimum ... but if ubuntu touch ran for you before the container flip i'm willing to say we should go lower
[19:33] <mfisch> hey sforshee, tyhicks had some questions on how the CPU throttling is done
[19:33] <rsalveti> w-flo: what is the size of your kernel in there?
[19:33] <Notionwork> I'm in a bad bind...
[19:33] <rsalveti> just to see how much we'd have for our initrd
[19:33] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, no ... android is open, we can just take and modify it
[19:33] <mfisch> tyhicks: there is no relationship between powerd-cli active and CPU throttling, that I know of anyway
[19:33] <tyhicks> sforshee: I stumbled across `powerd-cli active` to keep the device from suspending, but I'm also wondering about how to keep the CPU from throttling down
[19:33] <rsalveti> ogra_: we might be able to provide instructions for people to get that removed by default
[19:33] <rsalveti> but 4mb is a bit too little
[19:33] <nathaneltitane> ah
[19:33] <ogra_> rsalveti, well, i could build one without in parallell
[19:34] <tyhicks> sforshee: I'm specifically asking about the nexus 7 with Ubuntu Touch
[19:34] <nathaneltitane> i now about the open part, i was asking about collaboraqtion
[19:34] <rsalveti> ogra_: right, but let's first see how much we can use from that partition
[19:34] <ogra_> its a binaty deb ... can ship two files if needed
[19:34] <sforshee> rsalveti, tyhicks: right now powerd doesn't do anything with cpufreq
[19:34] <rsalveti> if the kernel is taking 3.5mb it might be too hard
[19:34] <ogra_> yeah
[19:34] <ogra_> i can get it down to something like 1.2M
[19:34] <rsalveti> right
[19:35] <ogra_> or 1.5 ... i dont remember exactly
[19:35] <tyhicks> sforshee: Will the regular ol' cpufrequtils package control throttling on the nexus 7?
[19:35] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, no, we dont do anything with google for ubuntu touch
[19:35] <ogra_> (nor for the edge to my knowledge)
[19:36] <w-flo> rsalveti, I have no idea. It took me a while to figure out how to extract the generic ramdisk from the deb package.. so not sure. ubuntu touch on this old hardware is not very snappy and generally not the best experience, so the 8mb limit is probably fine
[19:37] <sforshee> tyhicks: we don't seem to be using cpufrequtils right now
[19:37] <nathaneltitane> ah ok
[19:38] <sforshee> tyhicks: I think we just aren't actively managing it today. I was thinking android started in performance then switched to ondemand or something like that, maybe ogra knows.
[19:38] <sforshee> ogra_: ^
[19:38] <sforshee> tyhicks: I've talked about this with cking some, and he's even done some testing
[19:38] <rsalveti> w-flo: which device?
[19:38] <sforshee> tyhicks: but we've had bigger fish to fry so I don't think we've really even come up with a plan yet
[19:39] <rsalveti> afaik we're using ondemand by default
[19:39] <rsalveti> but would need to check
[19:39] <tyhicks> sforshee: That's understandable
[19:39] <w-flo> rsalveti, android-boot.img is 3.6mb , boot.img is 5.5mb... it's a desire Z aka T-Mobile G2 (HTC vision)
[19:39] <tyhicks> rsalveti: yes, cpufreq-info says that ondemand is being used
[19:39] <sforshee> tyhicks: iirc ckings tests showed that at this point cpu frequency falls within the noise from a PM perspective
[19:39]  * mfisch hopes tyhicks is investigating battery DoS attacks
[19:40] <tyhicks> mfisch: pfft ;)
[19:40] <rsalveti> w-flo: what is the size of the kernel? look for a file 'kernel' in the output dir
[19:40] <ogra_> sforshee, we cant really touch the governor settings in a generic way
[19:40] <w-flo> 3.3mb
[19:40] <w-flo> rsalveti, ^
[19:40] <rsalveti> yeah, we'd have only 0.7mb for our initrd
[19:40] <spreelanka> >5 million raised for ubuntu edge
[19:41] <rsalveti> w-flo: you might have a better luck with the recovery partition
[19:41] <sforshee> ogra_: I was thinking that android does some kind of "interactive boost" thing or something like that, not sure if it touches cpufreq or not
[19:41] <rsalveti> but that will break the workflow =\
[19:41] <ogra_> sforshee, the used governor differns by device and i have devices here where performance turns it to crawl
[19:41] <ogra_> *differs
[19:41] <rsalveti> w-flo: we could have some other hacks in there, but it might be quite painful
[19:41] <sforshee> tyhicks: what's your interest?
[19:42] <ogra_> sforshee, right, many devices use the android interactive governor ... some dont and others even bring a vendor governor implementation
[19:42]  * sforshee weeps
[19:42] <tyhicks> sforshee: I am testing some modifications that I'm making to dbus and wanted to see how Touch/arm devices were affected
[19:42] <w-flo> rsalveti, recovery is 8.9mb :-) but as I said, I don't really care about this device anymore. I was just hoping to use it as a ubuntu touch playground
[19:42] <ogra_> and indeed these are usually BSP kernel patches and often enough break the default governors
[19:42] <ogra_> since you wouldnt use the default ones anyway
[19:43] <tyhicks> sforshee: I think that ondemand will be ok, as the tests should keep the CPUs pegged
[19:43] <ogra_> sforshee, so the best we can do is to trust android with the initial setup and then take a per device view and find some common ground
[19:43] <jjohansen> tyhicks: the question then becomes, why is jdstrand seeing performance drop when the screen dimming happen
[19:43] <rsalveti> w-flo: right
[19:44] <w-flo> rsalveti, ogra_  thanks anyway!
[19:44] <ogra_> tyhicks, ondemand on a grouper will heavily drain power
[19:44] <tyhicks> ogra_: I'm alright with draining power for these test runs
[19:44] <Lizards|Work> who needs power
[19:44] <ogra_> and bring the device to a crawl (it scales up delayd, there are kernel hacks for the interactive governor)
[19:45] <tyhicks> oh
[19:45] <sforshee> tyhicks: are you trying to measure performance impact?
[19:45] <tyhicks> sforshee: yes
[19:45] <jjohansen> ogra_: that depends on the cpu, eg the new intel cpus do better powersaving on the performance govenor
[19:45] <ogra_> tyhicks, just trust android, it should dtrt for the governor bringup
[19:46] <ogra_> jjohansen, lol
[19:46] <ogra_> lovely
[19:46] <tyhicks> ogra_: alright, thanks
[19:46] <jjohansen> ogra_: we need to do some more testing but we are seeing what looks like govenor issues
[19:46] <ogra_> tyhicks, if we want to actively scale it gets tricky, many of these userspace parts are java in android
[19:46] <tyhicks> jjohansen: I'll try to reproduce what jdstrand was seeing
[19:46] <nathaneltitane> anyone tried linux on android maybe?
[19:47] <sforshee> jjohansen: a performance drop on screen dimming makes no sense. The only thing that happens then is that powerd changes the brightness, that's it.
[19:47] <ogra_> and especially the interactive governor has a gazillion of knobs to shoot yourself in the foot
[19:47] <jjohansen> ogra_: its because they have agressive power management baked into the cpu, and switching governor prevents them from entering the deeper sleep states as quickly
[19:48] <ogra_> ah, yeah
[19:48] <ogra_> makes sense
[19:48] <jjohansen> sforshee: so like I said we need to do more testing, but that is what jdstrand was seeing
[19:50] <Euro> is there a tutorial how to use localization via gettext in qml correctly?
[19:51] <jdstrand> (note, I'm not saying screen dimming cause anything, I just saw that performance dropped sometime after the screen dimmed)
[19:51] <tyhicks> jjohansen, jdstrand: well we can work around it, for our purposes, with `powerd-cli display on bright`
[19:52] <jjohansen> tyhicks: sure, but we should figure out why this is happening
[19:52] <jdstrand> that would be a curious workaround, but hey, whatever works :)
[19:52] <tyhicks> jjohansen: of course, but that would make our tests not dependent on figuring out what's going on
[19:52] <jjohansen> sure
[19:53] <tyhicks> we gather the numbers today and then we look into the issue more later this week
[19:56] <ahayzen> Hi, can we use UbuntuColors in QML yet, if so what module do I have to import?
[20:07] <spreelanka> can you remote desktop into an ubuntu touch phone and use the ubuntu desktop ui?
[20:07] <sforshee> tyhicks, jdstrand: is the problem when the screen dims or when it turns off? When it turns of the kernel does some early suspend stuff that could conceivably have an impact.
[20:08]  * jdstrand didn't say it was a problem, I just found it interesting
[20:09] <jdstrand> meh, now the screen won't turn on
[20:09] <ogra_> spreelanka, can you do that on a desktop ?
[20:10] <Lizards|Work> vnc, or some other remote x experience
[20:10] <ogra_> Lizards|Work, yes, that was a rhetorical question :)
[20:10] <tyhicks> sforshee: I'm not sure if I'm seeing a difference when the screen is dimmed. I'm trying to determine that now.
[20:11] <ogra_> spreelanka, the phone is just like any other ubuntu
[20:11] <Lizards|Work> i know, but some people don't get those (i laugh when they ask follow up questions, but i figured i'd help)
[20:11] <ogra_> you can do the same things you can do with any other ubuntu install
[20:11] <tyhicks> sforshee: jdstrand did see a difference in some of his tests and theorized that it was due to the screen dimming
[20:12] <tyhicks> sforshee: BTW, jdstrand's tests and my tests are different and not related
[20:12] <sforshee> tyhicks: ack. I'll wait for further results then ;-)
[20:12] <tyhicks> sforshee: I don't think we have enough info at this time. We'll look into it more and let you know what we find out.
[20:12]  * tyhicks nods
[20:14] <spreelanka> ogra_: thanks! I was curious about the scenario where I have a laptop on hand but need access to the desktop on my phone. Clearly I can do that though since it's just running ubuntu in the background.
[20:14] <thomi> morning
[20:15] <ogra_> yeah
[20:16] <jdstrand> sforshee, tyhicks, jjohansen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5908797/
[20:16] <ahayzen> should bug 1197293 be resolved if i am on fully up to date PPA?
[20:16] <jdstrand> I did it twice. the second time with screen off it was closer to 30 seconds
[20:16] <jdstrand> this is on grouper
[20:17] <sforshee> jdstrand: screen off might make more sense. Then the kernel is probably in a partially suspended mode, blocked from fully suspending by having USB plugged in
[20:17] <jdstrand> sforshee: I have it plugged into the wall, not my laptop. ie, I have ssh'd in
[20:18] <sforshee> jdstrand: okay, we'll something must be blocking suspend, obviously
[20:18] <sforshee> if you run 'powerd-cli active' while the test is running does it change the result?
[20:19] <sforshee> jdstrand: ^
[20:19] <sforshee> jdstrand: with the screen off, that is
[20:19] <jdstrand> $ sudo powerd-cli active
[20:19] <jdstrand> Power State requested, cookie is 2fa51513-14f7-4269-8ad6-46ebc50ae606.
[20:19] <jdstrand> Press ctrl-c to exit.
[20:19] <jdstrand> ^C
[20:19] <jdstrand> $ time sudo apparmor_parser -r /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/cck_com.ubuntu.developer.jdstrand.evilapp_evilapp_0.1
[20:19] <jdstrand> ...
[20:19] <jdstrand> real0m28.152s
[20:20] <sforshee> jdstrand: you'll have to run it in the background. When you kill it the request is released.
[20:20] <tyhicks> jdstrand: you need to background the `powerd-cli active` command
[20:20] <jdstrand> I see
[20:20] <jdstrand> ran apparmor_parser 3x, all with something like:
[20:20] <jdstrand> real0m3.122s
[20:21] <jdstrand> so, yes, that helped
[20:21] <jdstrand> well, helped
[20:21] <jdstrand> I don't know what the intent is. mind you, I only mentioned it cause I found it interesting
[20:21] <jdstrand> tyhicks: you don't see this?
[20:21] <sforshee> jdstrand: okay. I think it's totally reasonable to ask powerd to not try and suspend during your tests ;-)
[20:23] <tyhicks> jdstrand: well, my tests take a long time to run so I'm in the process of rerunning them with tickets held for the active state and for the dislay
[20:38] <tyhicks> jdstrand: a sneak peek at my early test results show no difference but my tablet is plugged into my laptop and I'm connected over adb, so maybe that kept my tablet from even attempting to suspend
[20:40] <jdstrand> that's cool
[20:42] <slangasek> ricmm, ogra_, xnox, stgraber: so we're at the point where we need to start landing unity8+mir in an image for testing, which means changes to the Android container (disabling surfaceflinger).  What's the best way to do this - does Phonedations want to spin up a separate SF-less build in jenkins, or should we just go straight for doing this with the android source package?
[20:43] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, we already have an image that runs mir
[20:43] <slangasek> oh
[20:43] <slangasek> unity8+mir?
[20:44] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, ricmm has been working on that for a few weeks now
[20:44] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, yes
[20:44] <slangasek> well hmm
[20:44] <slangasek> apparently kgunn and olli don't know about it?
[20:44] <ChickenCutlass> really
[20:44] <slangasek> ChickenCutlass: where is it?
[20:44] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, I sent an email when we did it
[20:45] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, I actually do not know the URL
[20:45] <kgunn> slangasek: ChickenCutlass ....knew about it, but needed an update
[20:45] <slangasek> hmm, ok
[20:45] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, it is on Jenkins
[20:45] <kgunn> to our latest
[20:45] <slangasek> bah, jenkins :)
[20:45] <ChickenCutlass> kgunn, slangasek ok, you should work with ricmm
[20:45] <ChickenCutlass> to update it with what you need
[20:45] <slangasek> ok, sounds like that's already happening
[20:46] <slangasek> but as we also have the android source package being integrated soon, my question about doing this image against that source package stands
[20:47] <axgb> Hi, How do I install ubuntu on my tablet
[20:47] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, don't think that should be a big deal
[20:47] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, I know ricmm is off today
[20:47] <slangasek> ChickenCutlass: right
[20:47] <ChickenCutlass> slangasek, we can sync with him tomorrow
[20:47] <slangasek> ChickenCutlass: let me just bounce you this mail so you have it
[20:48] <ChickenCutlass> ok
[20:48] <kgunn> slangasek: thanks
[20:48]  * kgunn makes mental note to include el pollito in future
[20:48] <ChickenCutlass> kgunn, sorry -- I thought you knew we had this image already
[20:49] <kgunn> ChickenCutlass: no worries...i did
[20:49] <slangasek> seems like we probably need to make it a daily thing
[20:49] <Euro> what depencies do i need to run ubuntu touch coreapps on a desktop? they dont start...
[20:55] <rsalveti> slangasek: ChickenCutlass: we don't need to change anything in the android source package for now
[20:56] <rsalveti> we can disable the sf service via the lxc pre-start script
[20:56] <slangasek> oh, nice :)
[20:56] <slangasek> clearly you are way ahead of me on this
[20:57] <rsalveti> we're just waiting for it to land in the archive, then further testing and then the switch :-)
[20:58] <AskUbuntu> How to create multiple pages in HTML5 app and link them together | http://askubuntu.com/q/324085
[21:07] <rantic> AskUbuntu: You might be better off asking in #html as this wouldn't necessarily be an ubuntu touch specific question :p
[21:07] <rantic> oops.
[21:07] <rantic> AskUbuntu: You sir aren't a real person!
[21:08] <bef0rd> he is
[21:08] <tassadar_> that's mean
[21:08] <tassadar_> >_>
[21:08] <bef0rd> he just loves to repeat all the questions from that site
[21:09] <rantic> liar
[21:09] <wilee-nilee> bot what do you mean
[21:52] <Noize> I am attempting to flash to stock rom, but when in bootloader mode, my device isn't found by adb
[21:52] <Noize> (ubuntu, linux)
[21:56] <jo-erlend> Noize, you mean the phablet image using phablet-flash?
[21:57] <Noize> jo-erlend, actually i'm using a custom rom... I'd like to go back to stock android before i flash to ubuntu-touch
[21:57] <Noize> last time i went to ubuntu touch, my custom rom stopped it from working, so i had to flash it to stock rom
[21:59] <jo-erlend> think I managed to flash my phone even though it wasn't listed in adb devices.
[21:59] <jo-erlend> err, my tablet.
[21:59] <Noize> i'm using nexus 4, and it won't flash :/
[22:01] <k1l> is the dock-mode thingy already integrated into the touch code?
[22:05] <w-flo> k1l, I think that converged "dock mode" is currently implemented for android only.
[22:06] <k1l> and that is not public so far?
[22:06] <w-flo> IIRC it is planned be released for the ubuntu touch OS in 2014
[22:06] <w-flo> k1l, I don't know.. Not that I know of!
[22:08] <k1l> i see alot users asking for that app that was demoed in the ubuntuedge videos
[22:11] <mhall119> k1l: which one?
[22:12] <k1l> that android app for the dockmode. demoed on the nexus
[22:12] <mhall119> k1l: you mean the ability to run Ubuntu Desktop when you dock it?
[22:13] <k1l> yes, the ubuntu4android app.
[22:13] <mhall119> it's not an app, it's a modified Android install that runs a vanilla Ubuntu desktop
[22:14] <k1l> and if that dockmode dekstop is already possible with the ubuntu-touch, which i call ubuntu4ubuntu :)
[22:14] <mhall119> it's not implemented in Ubuntu Touch yet
[22:14] <k1l> mhall119: ahh ok. it looked like its "just" an app in that video (iirc)
[22:14] <mhall119> but it will be
[22:14] <mhall119> k1l: nope, more than an app
[22:15] <k1l> any chances to test that ubuntu4android?
[22:15] <mhall119> not really, like I said it's a modified version of Android, which means it's a device-specific thing
[22:16] <cjwatson> Saviq: Right.  This is what the desktop spec mandates, and it's very useful for click packages since it gives apps an easy way to open asset files they ship - without starting up in the right directory (or having it passed ad-hoc in some other environment variable, but that's really a workaround), it's awkward for the app to find its files
[22:17] <k1l> well ok. but with a nexus4 it should be possible to test since it was demoed on it. i just want some  info of that when and what to expect. (if its made public)
[22:17] <cjwatson> mmcc`: The desktop hook is new, and you need a version of click from today for it to work.  Furthermore, it's a user-level hook, so it only fires if you register the app for a user.  Either use 'pkcon install-local foo.click' (preferred) or use 'sudo click install --force-missing-framework --user=$USER foo.click'
[22:18] <mmcc`> cjwatson: very useful, thanks!
[22:20] <Saviq> cjwatson, yeah, I agree completely
[22:20] <dejello> Hello
[22:21] <k1l> mhall119: im fine if you say its not made public in near future. i just didnt find one who could answer that so far.
[22:28] <thunderdragon> Hi all, does anyone know if I can install phablet-tools on a Debian install
[22:28] <thunderdragon> ?
[22:28] <thunderdragon> who
[22:35] <Fazek> hi
[22:37] <Fazek> i need little bit help. How to change language in ubuntu touch (lge n4) ?
[22:46] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Desktop for Nexus 7 | http://askubuntu.com/q/324131
[22:49] <w-flo> Fazek, I think that option is not implemented yet
[22:50] <w-flo> there's a "Language" icon in the system settings app, but it doesn't work yet
[23:03] <Fazek> hello
[23:23] <mcan_> hi mates
[23:23] <mcan_> is there any way to install ubuntu on sgs4
[23:23] <mcan_> ?
[23:26] <mhall119> mcan_: I don't think there is yet
[23:26] <mcan_> Man I am craving for it why cant they do it
[23:27] <mcan_> it supports many hardware on pc already
[23:27] <mcan_> is it so hard to do it for the mobile
[23:32] <cjwatson> It's rather less trivial than on PCs, yes.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting
[23:35] <mcan_> thanks mate
[23:55] <AskUbuntu> failing to reinstall latest Ubuntu Touch on Nexus 4 | http://askubuntu.com/q/324155