/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/24/#ubuntu-uk.txt

brobostigon	good morning everyone.	06:41
MartijnVdS	hi brobostigon	06:42
brobostigon	morning MartijnVdS	06:43
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MooDoo	morning all	07:42
MartijnVdS	\o MooDoo	07:43
diplo	Morning all	07:45
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mungbean	i appeared to have accidentally drawn a picture of popey while prolifically doodling	08:13
mungbean	want to see it?	08:13
MartijnVdS	mungbean: time to put it online ;)	08:13
mungbean	http://i.imgur.com/RD9Tfbf.jpg	08:13
MartijnVdS	mungbean: surprised popey even	08:14
mungbean	any resemblance to characters living or dead is entirely coincidental	08:14
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MartijnVdS	Wheeeee	08:34
MartijnVdS	2560x1080 60.0*+	08:35
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bigcalm	Good morning peeps :)	08:36
MooDoo	morning bigcalm	08:37
MartijnVdS	http://martijn.vandestreek.net/~martijn/screenshot-huge.png	08:39
bigcalm	That's a rather wide screen	08:43
MartijnVdS	bigcalm: it is :)	08:44
MartijnVdS	21:9	08:44
mungbean	i have that but with a bezel inbetween	08:50
mungbean	cos i have 2 monitors :D	08:51
MartijnVdS	I don't like bezels	08:51
mungbean	and actually it is 2560x1024 10:4 on mine	08:52
AlanBell	nice MartijnVdS	08:52
AlanBell	is that a strandbeast on the beach?	08:52
MartijnVdS	no	08:53
MartijnVdS	just a some people walking	08:53
ivanka	hi MartijnVdS	08:58
ivanka	MartijnVdS, you know yesterday you said you look at website logs - does this mean you might know someone who is good at making wordpress sites run fast?	08:58
ivanka	hello Daviey	08:59
MartijnVdS	ivanka: not really, sorry	08:59
ivanka	MartijnVdS, okie dokes	08:59
neuro_	lol	09:00
MartijnVdS	neuro_: you know how to speed up wordpress?	09:00
neuro_	yup	09:01
MartijnVdS	ivanka, neuro_; neuro_, ivanka 8-)	09:02
neuro_	haha	09:02
neuro_	long winded introduction and conversation unnecessary	09:02
neuro_	ivanka: http://wordpress.org/plugins/w3-total-cache/	09:02
MartijnVdS	neuro_: "Reducing downward times!"	09:03
neuro_	indeed	09:04
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BigRedS	neuro_, ivanka, we reccomend WP Super Cache. I've not yet been interested enough to know why we'd recommend that over something else	09:19
JamesTait	Good morning all, happy Kitchen Debate Day! :-D	09:20
MooDoo	morning JamesTait	09:20
MartijnVdS	JamesTait: Kitchen Debate Day?	09:20
JamesTait	MooDoo, o/	09:21
MartijnVdS	Wut?	09:21
JamesTait	MartijnVdS, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Debate	09:21
MartijnVdS	ah, so it's not a discussion about what's for lunch	09:21
MooDoo	salad for me :)	09:22
mgdm	something to do with 24/7 ?	09:48
mgdm	oh, /me scrolls	09:49
mungbean	gumtree appears to be a site for chavs and chancers in life	09:49
MooDoo	mungbean: don't go on it then ;)	09:50
mungbean	but it haz the stuff ebay doesn't have :(	09:51
mungbean	= deals	09:51
MooDoo	then be a chav or a chancer in life ;)	09:51
mungbean	or unsuccessful at both	09:52
mungbean	i've never successfully made a purchase	09:52
davmor2	Morning all	09:56
* davmor2 randomly prods czajkowski just cause		10:17
* MartijnVdS deploys an infinite number of parachutes, just cause 2		10:17
MooDoo	davmor2: you being brave again this morning?	10:18
davmor2	MooDoo: It's a go day to be me. Well for now at any rate, so I'm making the most of it by annoying czajkowski it just seemed like the thing to do :)	10:19
czajkowski	davmor2: boo	10:19
MooDoo	davmor2: awww leave the poor lass alone :)	10:22
* davmor2 prods Moodoo instead		10:23
MooDoo	davmor2: oi i'm not your abuse pole	10:23
davmor2	MooDoo: I'll go back to czajkowski then and stop complaining :P	10:24
MooDoo	yes boss	10:24
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davmor2	so czajkowski how's life hows the new hens and is piripiri still putting them in their place?	10:27
czajkowski	so nugget is missing a chunk of feathers around her tail	10:33
czajkowski	but they seem to be a bit better today	10:33
MooDoo	czajkowski: getting snowed with eggs yet?	10:34
czajkowski	nope	10:35
czajkowski	had 1 a day so far since they arrived	10:35
czajkowski	not sure from which ones and it could take some time to settle after the move	10:35
CALAV3R4	I have 32 GB of RAM on a Server .... does anyone know how to go about the swap? 64GB and 32GB swap seems to much... any suggestions?	10:42
MooDoo	is it's normally about 2/3x the amount of ram?	10:43
MooDoo	then again it depends on what the server is doing	10:43
CALAV3R4	MooDoo, thank you... we really don't want any swapping but just in case.	10:44
MooDoo	yw!	10:45
mungbean	what's the best way for tab completion for favourite hostnames?	10:46
directhex	CALAV3R4, swap is not useful to you.	10:46
directhex	CALAV3R4, you don't want to suspend your server to disk, so that's not useful	10:47
SuperMatt	mungbean: it should automatically tab complete if it's in /etc/hosts or ~/.ssh/config	10:47
mungbean	.ssh/config it is then, cheers	10:47
SuperMatt	np	10:47
SuperMatt	.ssh/config is your friend	10:47
mungbean	(they are in DNS otherwise)	10:47
directhex	CALAV3R4, and by the time your server has swapped 32 or 64 or whatever gig of stuff out, it would have been faster to drive to the datacenter and press reboot, than wait for it to become responsive again under swap death conditions like that	10:47
SuperMatt	I've got mine set up detailing usernames, aliases, identity file to use, etc	10:48
SuperMatt	very handy	10:48
directhex	the old rules for swap size are only relevant for desktop/laptops, due to suspend to disk. even desktop/laptops have too much ram now for swapping to be helpful for actual "extra memory" reasons	10:48
mungbean	i should def do that, i've been lazy	10:48
SuperMatt	so I just type ssh live and I'm on my live server	10:48
SuperMatt	once you've done it once, of course, you need only add to it over time	10:48
mungbean	where's the man page?	10:49
mungbean	same as ssh_config?	10:49
mungbean	~/.ssh/config This is the per-user configuration file. The format of this file is described above.	10:49
mungbean	looks like it	10:49
SuperMatt	yup	10:49
MartijnVdS	New Computerphile video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6bDA5FK6gs	10:56
Laney	haha	10:56
Laney	these are all academics / students in the nottingham CS school	10:57
MartijnVdS	Laney: yeah, they are :)	10:57
MartijnVdS	Laney: some people from a local hackerspace, it seems	10:57
Laney	don't know why they haven't talked to anyone from the FP / theory group yet :(	10:57
MartijnVdS	Laney: ask Brady :)	10:59
ivanka	hey MartijnVdS, BigRedS and neuro_ I was in a meeting...I will check it out and get back to you. It's not for me directly, it is for my husband and it is potentially a paid gig	10:59
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neuro_	ah, ok	10:59
neuro_	wp total cache definitely solves a lot of the constantly-dynamic issues that wp suffers from	11:00
neuro_	just need to be careful that it's tuned correctly for the required load and content	11:00
ivanka	neuro_, pm?	11:04
neuro_	looks like edge funding is slowing way down	11:15
mungbean	what is it now	11:15
neuro_	less than 200k in the last 8 hours	11:15
neuro_	3.864m	11:15
mungbean	they screwed up with the double trouble offer	11:15
MartijnVdS	mungbean: rewards have been restructured	11:15
MooDoo	I'm not sure it'll hit 5	11:15
mungbean	if fully funded with double troubles, then phones at $700	11:15
neuro_	they've gone mad	11:16
mungbean	so why not just offer phones at $700	11:16
MartijnVdS	mungbean: they're offering phones at 625 now	11:16
mungbean	orly?	11:16
neuro_	you can get it at $625, $675, $725, $830 and 2x @ $1400	11:16
* mungbean checks		11:16
mungbean	hmm..this makes them look a bit unprepared/unplanned	11:17
neuro_	unless i'm missing something, there is absolutely no difference between any of them, other than the 1400 one being for 2 phones	11:17
MartijnVdS	http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity	11:17
MartijnVdS	^ the plan	11:17
neuro_	why buy 100 for 80,000 when you can buy 100 for 62,500	11:17
mungbean	also, the enterprise bundle is not economic	11:17
MartijnVdS	but you also get support with that bundle	11:18
mungbean	just stop being silly and offer all phones @ 630	11:18
mungbean	customers need to know where they stand	11:18
neuro_	"You told us you want more opportunities to get the Ubuntu Edge at a lower contribution level, so we went back to our spreadsheets and came up with a solution."	11:18
neuro_	the solution is to just leave it alone	11:18
mungbean	Hundreds of you have already contributed $830 for an Ubuntu Edge, but don’t worry. We’ll refund the difference at the end of the campaign so you won’t lose out.	11:19
mungbean	this makes them look silly tbh	11:19
neuro_	WHAT!	11:19
neuro_	i didn't notice that	11:19
neuro_	this is sheer confusion	11:19
mungbean	who decided this?	11:19
MooDoo	isn't it all really just a test of the water to see if people are really interested? I could never seeing them make 30m	11:20
mungbean	MooDoo: it's 40,000 phones, which could happen if the price was $5-600 or thereabouts	11:20
neuro_	this is a poor way to test the water	11:20
neuro_	these "perk levels" should have been implemented from the start	11:21
mungbean	look at the funders list	11:21
neuro_	or not at all	11:21
mungbean	some are paying 655, others 625	11:21
mungbean	confusion reigns	11:21
MooDoo	at least they can then say "ah well we tried and people weren't interested"	11:21
MartijnVdS	655 = 625 + 30 int. shipping	11:21
mungbean	ah	11:21
neuro_	but people obviously are interested	11:24
MartijnVdS	but are enough people interested for it to be a real thing	11:24
MooDoo	32m is too high imo	11:24
AlanBell	the enterprise bundle has more problems than just being more expensive than buying them individually	11:25
mungbean	i like to see people having a plan	11:25
mungbean	this does not look like a plan	11:25
neuro_	AlanBell: yeah, we were talking about this yesterday	11:25
MooDoo	but then again I read somewhere that orange or someone similar did a similar thing and to produce a new phone it actually takes 50m so they are doing it a lot cheaper	11:25
neuro_	you're supposed to get a capex and deployment approval for something based on a) whether or not it actually gets manufactured and shipped, and b) meets its release date, and it's 10 months away ...	11:26
neuro_	oh and if your deployment is successful, you can never buy any more	11:27
neuro_	and if one of them is dropped and smashes beyond repair, you can never buy a replacement	11:27
MartijnVdS	or just have a rich employer who likes to gamble and give away toys	11:27
neuro_	in which case the included workshops and 30 days of support are useless	11:28
neuro_	you'd be cheaper off just buying a bunch of them at the lower tiers	11:28
mungbean	is the weather nice out?	11:28
neuro_	no	11:28
mungbean	blue sky in london, unsure if warm	11:28
neuro_	it's too warm/cold/sunny/cloudy/dry/wet/blue/green/fishy	11:29
MooDoo	oi it's never to fishy ;)	11:29
MartijnVdS	mungbean: http://www.weeronline.nl/Europa/Groot-Brittannie/Londen/4163337	11:29
neuro_	hehe	11:29
neuro_	GROOT!	11:29
neuro_	STROOPWAFEL!	11:29
mgdm	mmmm stroopwaffels	11:30
MartijnVdS	hmmm stroopwafels	11:30
* mgdm ^5 MartijnVdS		11:30
MartijnVdS	^5	11:30
neuro_	since when did ^ = 5?	11:30
neuro_	err, s/5/high/	11:31
MartijnVdS	since forever/	11:31
MartijnVdS	?	11:31
neuro_	never mind	11:31
neuro_	don't care	11:31
neuro_	just opened a pack of french crisps	11:31
neuro_	Saveur Bolognaise	11:31
neuro_	om nom	11:32
HoT\|2fC^	hey up everyone :)	12:10
HoT\|2fC^	I got my DL380 G3 today it has a 36GB SCSI Hard Drive, now in the BIOS at POST screen it detects it but when I go to boot from CD/ROM on Windows XP Pro 32Bit, it says to me no Hard Drive detected please check its connected and make sure its setup via BIOS.	12:12
HoT\|2fC^	I have phoned the company where I got it from he said does the light come on the BAY, I said yes, so he then said what color is it I said its "Green" he said OK thats working then and its detecting it in the BIOS/POST Screen!	12:12
AlanBell	how is that an Ubuntu question?	12:13
HoT\|2fC^	he then said it should install XP no problem, I said I am about to try Ubuntu 13.04 Server edition he said try that an it should boot and install, if not let him know he will find out why and he said it might be something to do with where the SCSI is connecting to.	12:13
AlanBell	ah, thats how :)	12:13
HoT\|2fC^	yeah AlanBell lol, its more of a BIOS / BOOT / ANY OS tbh lol I just need it to work hhaa.	12:14
AlanBell	so, does it work in Ubuntu?	12:14
DJones	Could be that win xp cd hasn't got the right driver for the scsi hardware	12:14
HoT\|2fC^	DJones sounds so true :) it is a copy off Torrent as a .iso already activated. but yeah hopefully it boots off the ubuntu in a minute when I burn it to disc.	12:15
HoT\|2fC^	AlanBell, not as yet :)	12:15
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: there's a "Have driver disk" prompt at install time for a reason ;)	12:15
AlanBell	!piracy	12:16
lubotu3	piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music, and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o	12:16
HoT\|2fC^	oops sorry.	12:16
MartijnVdS	just stick to Ubuntu :)	12:16
HoT\|2fC^	MartijnVdS, yeah it detects it as Compaq 36.6GB's (SCSI)	12:17
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: I just got off the phone with the stone age. They want their machine back.	12:17
HoT\|2fC^	It's formatted I can't see it not installing to be honest, it boots fine!	12:17
HoT\|2fC^	:O	12:17
HoT\|2fC^	MartijnVdS, whos machine :D	12:18
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: Gnork the caveman	12:18
DJones	HoT\|2fC^: You have your answer then, install Ubuntu & relax	12:18
HoT\|2fC^	DJones, I hope so yeah :)	12:19
davmor2	HoT\|2fC^: for windows xp there is an option during the initial cd run like F1 or something to install 3rd party drivers if it is a scsi device these are almost always needed.	12:19
HoT\|2fC^	the guy even said it on the phone lol, it says in BIOS (OS Type) and a list of OS/S... shell I select "Linux"	12:19
HoT\|2fC^	davmor2: Ahhh yes I always noticed that at the start lol, always wondered what that F6 or something or other does LOL	12:20
HoT\|2fC^	you are a lifesaver :D	12:20
HoT\|2fC^	I just let it scan all that at the start an wait then it comes up with the detected hard drive thing saying F3 to reboot.	12:21
HoT\|2fC^	right brb :D	12:22
HoT\|2fC^	wish me luck!!	12:22
davmor2	quick everyone hide	12:23
davmor2	:D	12:23
Azelphur	If you delete a rm, it doesn't delete the files it points to, right?	12:27
mungbean	huh?	12:30
Myrtti	yeah that would sound about the right reaction to that question	12:35
MooDoo	Azelphur: can you be a little clearer?	12:37
MooDoo	Azelphur: do you mean a symlink?	12:37
Azelphur	wow, haha	12:37
Azelphur	I really mangled that sentence didn't I	12:37
MooDoo	yeah	12:37
MooDoo	:)	12:38
Azelphur	but yea, I did mean a symlink, and I figured it out, couldn't delete it because it wasn't a symlink :)	12:38
MooDoo	i'm impressed i interpreted rm as symlink lol	12:38
Azelphur	haha	12:39
Azelphur	does anyone else do that? you go to type something, then you make a correction, but you mess it up and just end up with a totally mangled sentence that makes no sense.	12:39
Azelphur	I do it occasionally \o/	12:39
DJones	I was trying to work out how you delete something if you'd deleted the rm command	12:39
Azelphur	hahaha	12:40
mgdm	/bin/unlink	12:41
mgdm	or write a python script :-)	12:41
Azelphur	DJones: mv file /dev/null? ;)	12:42
MooDoo	format and reinstall Azelphur that'll definately delete the file.	12:43
Azelphur	haha	12:43
MooDoo	It's what I do ;)	12:43
Azelphur	MooDoo: funny enough, that's what I'm actually doing, just taking backups at the moment ;)	12:43
MooDoo	Azelphur: backups? you a man or a mouse ;)	12:44
Azelphur	a mouse, full drive backups >.<	12:45
Azelphur	in multiple locations, too	12:45
MooDoo	lol I can't talk, I'm paranoid about backups :D	12:45
HoT\|2fC^	<davmor2> quick everyone hide	12:55
HoT\|2fC^	<davmor2> :D	12:55
HoT\|2fC^	Tuttut ;)	12:55
mungbean	resize2fs of ext4 ? umount first?	12:56
SuperMatt	yup	12:56
SuperMatt	always	12:56
SuperMatt	personally, I tend to do my stuff with gparted running off a usb or cd	12:56
SuperMatt	because I don't trust my fingers	12:56
mungbean	it does work though...	12:57
HoT\|2fC^	Well im back so best get out of your hiding places haha, well I have tried booting Windows XP, pressed F6 for third party SCSI drivers and what do you know no luck at all I get a message asking me to put a Disk in but A? thats floppy lol I dont have a floppy with drivers on it so I dont know why its not letting me get them off the disc, anyway says about the SCSI wont work with Windows XP,	12:57
HoT\|2fC^	so I tried Ubuntu and what do you know its on a DVD :( I have a CD/ROM not DVD/ROM.	12:57
HoT\|2fC^	I am going to burn the Ubuntu 13.04 Server.iso to a CDR now.	12:57
HoT\|2fC^	Then I should be able to boot linux !	12:58
mgdm	HoT\|2fC^: will your machine boot off a USB stick?	12:58
neuro_	i'll boot YOUR stick	12:59
HoT\|2fC^	mgdm, no as its old :(	12:59
HoT\|2fC^	I have ILO :/	12:59
neuro_	13.04 server?	12:59
HoT\|2fC^	I can boot from CD/ROM only :(	12:59
neuro_	boggle	12:59
HoT\|2fC^	neuro_, yes.	12:59
neuro_	y u no install lts?	13:00
HoT\|2fC^	ubuntu-13.04-server-amd64 <-- that one for my Xeons.	13:00
HoT\|2fC^	LTS? Whats that one about, isnt it a Beta or something \o/	13:00
neuro_	you jest, yes?	13:00
HoT\|2fC^	jest? :o	13:00
HoT\|2fC^	I haven't tested it no, hence why I am here lol.	13:01
HoT\|2fC^	I need to get it installed!	13:01
HoT\|2fC^	brb	13:01
* HoT\|2fC^ is burning Ubuntu 13.04 Server to a non-DVD disc :)		13:06
HoT\|2fC^	Whats difference with LTS and normal Ubuntu 13.04 Server ?	13:09
neuro_	oh, you were being serious	13:09
neuro_	sorry, i thought you were making a joke :)	13:09
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: 12.04 is LTS, 13.04 isn't	13:09
neuro_	LTS is Long Term Support, it's supported longer	13:09
neuro_	8.04, 10.04, 12.04 are all LTS	13:09
neuro_	14.04 will be as well	13:10
neuro_	they are supported for 7 years	13:10
neuro_	iirc non-LTS releases are only supported for 18 months	13:10
MartijnVdS	i.e. one internet century	13:10
neuro_	shush	13:10
HoT\|2fC^	:O	13:10
HoT\|2fC^	I see ok ok :D	13:10
neuro_	so basically you'll get longer support for package updates for security etc with an LTS release	13:10
MooDoo	and lts doesn't use cutting edge versions of the software	13:10
HoT\|2fC^	I will just use this for now to test if it works then I will go for 13.04 LTS thanks there neuro_	13:10
neuro_	downside is "poorer" hardware support	13:10
neuro_	13.04 is not LTS	13:10
MartijnVdS	MooDoo: well, it's cutting edge at the time of release	13:10
neuro_	12.04 is	13:10
HoT\|2fC^	LoL	13:11
MooDoo	MartijnVdS: well yes but 12.04 isn't now :ed	13:11
MartijnVdS	neuro_: and they do "hardware support upgrade" now, with newer kernels and X	13:11
neuro_	oh yeah	13:11
neuro_	quantal kernels	13:11
MartijnVdS	raring kernels even	13:11
* MooDoo doesn't need anything other than LTs		13:11
HoT\|2fC^	Ok ok, thats enuff now just help me get it installed on my server using SCSI hard drive lol	13:11
neuro_	burn disc, put disc in optical drive, boot	13:11
MooDoo	neuro_: behave it can't be that easy ;)	13:12
neuro_	that's how i do it :)	13:12
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: the "Server" doesn't install the GUI bits, but does offer several server-specific options	13:12
MooDoo	neuro_: you're magical we're only human ;)	13:12
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: the "Desktop" ISOs install the Ubuntu desktop you know and love	13:12
neuro_	if no optical drive, go to currys, buy cheap usb dvd drive, put disc in cheap usb dvd drive, install	13:12
MartijnVdS	'Yer a wizard, neuro_'	13:12
neuro_	abracadabra	13:12
HoT\|2fC^	MartijnVdS, ah ok ok so easy 7 steps then? till I get to the GUI bit :D	13:13
MooDoo	shhhhhhh all he's at the burn the disk stage, it's a difficult one that ;)	13:13
neuro_	no GUI in server install	13:13
HoT\|2fC^	:(	13:13
neuro_	text mode	13:13
neuro_	it's easy	13:13
MartijnVdS	\o/ text mode	13:13
neuro_	\o/	13:13
HoT\|2fC^	is it all command ?	13:13
neuro_	server is text mode by default	13:13
HoT\|2fC^	I dont know any commands well I do..	13:13
MooDoo	HoT\|2fC^: yes unless you install a gui	13:13
HoT\|2fC^	sudo get makeme a butty	13:13
HoT\|2fC^	MooDoo, damn :(	13:14
neuro_	i would stop right now	13:14
neuro_	if you don't know what you're doing	13:14
MooDoo	HoT\|2fC^: why do you need a gui?	13:14
HoT\|2fC^	MooDoo, I want a easy install all I want is to get a distro on my server.	13:14
MooDoo	cd and vi are your friends ;)	13:14
HoT\|2fC^	using SCSI.	13:14
MartijnVdS	emacs runs fine in text mode	13:14
HoT\|2fC^	mmm	13:14
neuro_	don't worry about scsi	13:14
MooDoo	HoT\|2fC^: then you don't need a gui	13:14
neuro_	ubuntu treats everything as scsi ;)	13:14
HoT\|2fC^	good! :D	13:14
HoT\|2fC^	when I install ubuntu server now when do I need to do ??	13:15
MooDoo	I'm talking to you now from a server running command line irc :D	13:15
HoT\|2fC^	is it easy	13:15
HoT\|2fC^	lol MooDoo	13:15
neuro_	HoT\|2fC^: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/install-ubuntu-server	13:15
neuro_	READ	13:15
HoT\|2fC^	OK	13:15
HoT\|2fC^	:D	13:15
MooDoo	HoT\|2fC^: get the iso and burn it to a cd, then boot the server with it in the drive, and follow the on screen prompts easy :d	13:15
HoT\|2fC^	Seems easy :)	13:16
HoT\|2fC^	ok here goes..	13:16
HoT\|2fC^	be right back	13:16
* HoT\|2fC^ runs to the basement		13:16
MooDoo	should we have told him about the crickets? ;)	13:17
MartijnVdS	and the spiders	13:17
neuro_	I'M RARED RAGGY!	13:17
neuro_	Me too, Scoob!	13:18
mungbean	online resize went ok	13:18
mgdm	brave :)	13:19
mungbean	i don't have control of the VMware to snapshot it	13:20
mungbean	4.25M ...	13:22
mungbean	sold quite a few more phones today	13:22
directhex	mungbean, price dropped a lot too	13:23
directhex	sliding scale now	13:23
mungbean	pay what you want ;)	13:24
mungbean	humble indie phoe	13:24
bigcalm	neuro_: I'm still unable to get my head around routing for this project, but the good news is that the buck has been passed to the client to sort out :D We've got the VPN set-up, now they can deal with routing	13:25
neuro_	\o/	13:25
bigcalm	That's what I did when I call the call about it from my boss	13:26
neuro_	the fobbed off happy dance :)	13:26
bigcalm	s/call/got	13:26
bigcalm	Heh	13:26
neuro_	humble indie phone, lol	13:26
neuro_	hmm, i'm just firing in my shopping into tesco.com and i note on their front page, they think i'm some sort of english picnicking mentlar	13:27
neuro_	half price ice cream! half price cheese! 2 for £1 on salad!	13:27
neuro_	and the kicker	13:27
neuro_	PIMMS 1l ONLY £16!	13:28
neuro_	uh, ok	13:28
neuro_	i think i've drunk pimms twice in my whole life	13:28
neuro_	albeit once for an extended session	13:28
mgdm	I don't think I've ever had Pimms	13:28
neuro_	it is a silly drink	13:28
MooDoo	it tastes like barley sugar sweets if you add it to lemonade	13:29
neuro_	but when you're at a work event in brighton, and people keep handing you glasses of it, you tend not to say no	13:29
mgdm	MooDoo: that doesn't sound too bad actually, I like barley sugars :)	13:29
neuro_	this stuff is epic, by the way: http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=266352446	13:30
neuro_	copella apple juice	13:30
neuro_	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/23/ubuntuforums_cracker_promises_no_password_release/	13:35
MartijnVdS	neuro_: sure, "promise"	13:35
mungbean	oh we're supposed to think he's great now?	13:37
Myrtti	pimms is nice if you make it into proper nice ginger ale	13:38
Myrtti	not Schweppes, mind you	13:38
diddledan	pimms is evil	13:39
diddledan	I don't like it	13:39
mungbean	doesn't bother me either way	13:39
mungbean	its ok in a cold drink	13:39
mungbean	not particularly exciting though	13:40
diddledan	$360,440 has been raised through the $20 founder perk?!	13:47
mungbean	cool	13:48
diddledan	that's if everyone at that level only contributed $20	13:48
mungbean	some did $100, others $1 others $30	13:48
diddledan	1822 claims @ $20 = $360,440	13:48
diddledan	this campaign is getting crazy!	13:49
diddledan	<3	13:49
mungbean	caught someone on camera going into my office reading confidential docs	13:49
diddledan	oops	13:49
mungbean	unsure how to proceed	13:49
MartijnVdS	mungbean: where I work, I'd notify the internal security team	13:50
diddledan	"forged aboud id"	13:50
diddledan	are they employed by your company or just a random stranger?	13:51
mungbean	employee	13:51
mungbean	he will say he was looking for something	13:51
diddledan	that actually helps. you can follow disciplinary procedures.	13:51
mungbean	its a locked room	13:51
diddledan	perhaps he accidentally unlocked it, accidentally opened the door, and accidentally found a confidential piece of paper, and accidentally read it thoroughly	13:52
mungbean	yes	13:53
mungbean	think i will sit on it for a bit	13:53
davmor2	he didn't realise he was employed there as he gets a paycheck from the nsa	13:53
diddledan	lol	13:53
MartijnVdS	diddledan: tripped, fell on the key, tumbled onto the lock, and then hit the handle	13:56
bigcalm	Steak T-4.5 hours	13:57
MartijnVdS	0xDEADBEEF?	13:57
bigcalm	Best kind	13:58
diddledan	0xDEADBEEFCAFE	14:00
diddledan	that's a steakhouse	14:00
MartijnVdS	0xDEADBEEFCAFEBABE is the waitress	14:00
diddledan	lol	14:00
HoT\|2fC^	damn :( when I try and boot Ubuntu 13.04 Server I get this for ages and I have to press the power button on the server to turn it off and power back up again for further attemps :( http://i40.tinypic.com/5fm59g.jpg	14:01
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: looks like it doesn't like your CD	14:01
neuro_	mungbean: it's a potential security and confidentiality breach	14:02
neuro_	it's gross misconduct and possibly criminal	14:02
HoT\|2fC^	But with windows it boots :/ I have tried selecting the Operating System Type to Linux and also tried Other OS, and Windows XP seems to boot under Windows 2000, 2003 etc..	14:02
neuro_	call the guy's boss and your HR department now	14:02
mungbean	this is all true but kicking up a stink often ends with a game of politics	14:04
HoT\|2fC^	My uncle says for Windows I need the driver for the controller card and probably be "Adaptec Controller" or "Texas Instruments".	14:04
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: forget about Windows	14:04
mungbean	he'll say "i thought the office had been vacated"	14:04
HoT\|2fC^	But it gets me why it won't boot my Ubuntu Discs, I tried Ubuntu 13.04 Desktop that run fine on my PC I have it on here.	14:04
HoT\|2fC^	I have burnt a new one and still no luck :/	14:05
MartijnVdS	mungbean: don't second-guess what he'll say	14:05
mungbean	but politics...	14:05
HoT\|2fC^	Im doomed.	14:05
MartijnVdS	mungbean: but security	14:05
mungbean	but nobody has ever been disciplined for anything here ever	14:08
MartijnVdS	mungbean: Poison his coffee.	14:08
MartijnVdS	mungbean: or just make it look (to him) like you did ;)	14:09
HoT\|2fC^	http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsupport/TechSupport/SoftwareIndex.jsp?lang=en&cc=us&prodNameId=3288130&prodTypeId=0&prodSeriesId=316529&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=1005#113214	14:09
HoT\|2fC^	Do I need this MartijnVdS the HP ProLiant 64-Bit/66-Mhz Dual Channel Wide Ultra3 SCSI Controller Driver for Windows Server 2003	14:10
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: what happened when you tied?	14:10
MartijnVdS	tried*	14:10
HoT\|2fC^	tried to what install XP	14:11
HoT\|2fC^	Asked for a floppy disc drive A: lol	14:11
diplo	HoT\|2fC^: You're not even getting that far, it's not booted the server disc yet..	14:11
HoT\|2fC^	when I hit F6	14:11
HoT\|2fC^	diplo, gatherd that.	14:11
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: you can put the drivers onto the Windows CD I think	14:12
diplo	All the drivers that you probably require are built into the kernel	14:12
HoT\|2fC^	MartijnVdS, ah I see ok..	14:12
diplo	Issue with the disc or cd/dvd drive maybe..	14:12
davmor2	no you just need to put the drivers onto a floppy disk	14:12
HoT\|2fC^	yeah davmor2 like I have any of those \o/	14:13
HoT\|2fC^	I don't even have a floppie disc drive to write a floppy disc.	14:13
diddledan	I've got hundreds of the buggers	14:13
HoT\|2fC^	Only on my server that I got today!	14:13
diddledan	I really want to archive all my 5.25" floppies	14:13
directhex	windows NT 5 - i.e. XP, 2000, and 2003 - can only add extra drivers either from a floppy diskette in drive A:, or via modifying the install CD to include the extra driver directly	14:14
HoT\|2fC^	MartijnVdS I will have to do it the way you said, Do I just burn the files to the disc with the .iso :/	14:14
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: Microsoft has a huge knowledge base which contains answers to that question	14:14
diplo	diddledan: that's what minions at work are for, got one of ours to do all ours a few years ago	14:14
directhex	you can't just put the driver files on the CD, you need to use a tool to mangle all the driver databases on there to see the new driver	14:14
directhex	nLite is one such tool	14:14
mungbean	go to the dump	14:15
mungbean	throw them in	14:15
diddledan	aha, burn the iso as a file is the wrong way	14:15
diddledan	you don't "put the iso on the disc"	14:15
HoT\|2fC^	:o	14:15
diddledan	you "write the disc FROM the iso"	14:15
HoT\|2fC^	ok I will use the nLite directhex :)	14:16
HoT\|2fC^	What do you say is good burning tool for Windows? :o	14:17
neuro_	aaaaaaaaaargh	14:17
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: ##windows	14:17
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: we're the Ubuntu channel	14:17
HoT\|2fC^	Been there no reply off anyone :)	14:17
neuro_	sorry, just rattled some more bolognaise crisps :)	14:17
neuro_	TASTY!!!!	14:17
HoT\|2fC^	I know you are, but I use Ubuntu also and I dont see the problem :D	14:17
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: THen please try google first :) Most of your questions are page-one google answers	14:18
MartijnVdS	are/have	14:18
AlanBell	HoT\|2fC^: the problem is we probably don't know	14:18
HoT\|2fC^	lol	14:18
HoT\|2fC^	Ok thanks :)	14:18
diddledan	HoT\|2fC^: you need to right-click the downloaded iso and click "burn disc image"	14:18
neuro_	http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/burn-a-dvd-on-windows	14:18
AlanBell	if windows has not got a support community around it then use an operating system that does	14:18
neuro_	no, actually, this is a fair question	14:18
HoT\|2fC^	It's on CDR :) I dont have a DVD ROM on my server its CD ROM :)	14:19
neuro_	because how do you install ubuntu if you don't have it	14:19
AlanBell	maybe one day Windows will be popular enough that there will be answers to questions	14:19
MartijnVdS	neuro_: magic	14:19
neuro_	and that's why there's a page on how to burn the disc	14:19
mungbean	ubuntu-edge could hit £5M today?	14:19
MartijnVdS	well there's http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/burn-a-cd-or-dvd-from-an-iso-file	14:19
neuro_	HoT\|2fC^: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/burn-a-dvd-on-windows	14:19
diddledan	mungbean: I hope	14:19
HoT\|2fC^	thanks :D	14:19
diddledan	I want my phone already	14:19
MartijnVdS	diddledan: wait a year	14:19
diddledan	how long is the development gonna take? :-p	14:19
neuro_	minus two months	14:20
MartijnVdS	neuro_: plus delays	14:20
neuro_	DOES NO-ONE READ ANYTHING ANY MORE?!	14:20
MartijnVdS	diddledan: 1) read indiegogo page	14:20
MartijnVdS	diddledan: 2) enlightenment	14:20
diddledan	3) profit?	14:20
neuro_	3) indiegogoinfo@canonical.com	14:21
neuro_	mungbean: 5m?	14:21
neuro_	mungbean: doubt it	14:21
neuro_	it was at 3.4m at 4am	14:21
diddledan	neuro_: shut up and take my money! :-p	14:21
neuro_	diddledan: you can give your money to me, certainly	14:21
diddledan	lol	14:21
mungbean	and its 4.2m 12hrs later	14:22
diddledan	mungbean: 4.480	14:22
neuro_	oh, i hadn't refreshed for a while	14:22
mungbean	wowzer	14:23
davmor2	man the 625 batch is nearly sold out	14:23
mungbean	should be a lesson to them	14:24
mungbean	keep the price at that point	14:24
ivanka	I like this view: http://ubuntu-edge.info/	14:25
czajkowski	aloha	14:25
ivanka	People do like a bargain	14:25
ivanka	hi czajkowski	14:25
mungbean	i expect 25% of funds are raised on 1st and last day	14:25
neuro_	http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5031267/ubuntu-seeks-crowd-funding-for-ubuntu-edge-smartphone.html	14:26
neuro_	"boffins"	14:26
czajkowski	ivanka: hows the travels going ?	14:26
mungbean	neuro_: most dumbed down article ever. how many readers?	14:27
ivanka	neuro_, the sun?	14:27
neuro_	how should i know? :)	14:27
mungbean	2-3M	14:27
ivanka	has ubuntu ever been mentioned in the sun before?	14:27
ivanka	czajkowski, not really travelling - going away in september though	14:28
ivanka	czajkowski, mostly resting, kayaking, and doing bits of work	14:28
neuro_	"Your search returned 0 results"	14:28
ivanka	how are you?	14:28
neuro_	which is interesting since there's an article today	14:28
ivanka	neuro_, heh	14:28
ivanka	more reasons not to trust the sun	14:28
czajkowski	ivanka: oh nice, working away here in the new job	14:30
czajkowski	popping to the bluefin in abit to see some folks	14:30
ivanka	what new job?	14:30
ivanka	something exciting?	14:31
neuro_	MONNNNNGGGOOOOOOOOOOOO!	14:31
SuperMatt	db	14:33
SuperMatt	I am getting the strangest results on a webserver test I'm doing	14:34
SuperMatt	so, I'm doing an apache benchmark of the website, and recording the results	14:34
SuperMatt	I then do the same thing again, but with the website behind a mod-proxy instance	14:35
SuperMatt	naturally the response times go up, by about 200ms on average	14:35
SuperMatt	so far so good	14:35
SuperMatt	then I enable mod-security on that proxy server, and the response times are not only lower that that of just the proxy on it's own, but it's lower than the original results of no proxy, no mod-sec	14:36
diddledan	maybe cached file reads	14:38
diddledan	?	14:38
SuperMatt	nope, there's no caching	14:39
diddledan	I don't know if linux caches at the filesystem layer or not	14:39
SuperMatt	even so, with mod-security enabled, everything should take longer	14:39
SuperMatt	because it should be scanning all the requests	14:39
mungbean	how do i read a base-64 email?	14:44
SuperMatt	isn't that just an attachment?	14:44
* SuperMatt doesn't know		14:44
MartijnVdS	decode it ;)	14:44
MartijnVdS	mungbean: put it in python, .decode('base64') it	14:44
MartijnVdS	mungbean: uudeview package contains a command line decoder	14:45
mungbean	chars	14:45
diddledan	4.618M	14:47
diddledan	it's got to slow down soon, right?!	14:47
MooDoo	already is i'm guessing	14:47
mungbean	slows looks like 5M easily by midnight then	14:48
* davmor2 pictures neuro_ in his best blazing saddles impression saying that Mongo earlier		14:49
diddledan	"candygram for mongo"	14:49
davmor2	Mongo like candy	14:50
czajkowski	ivanka: community manager in EMEA for MongoDB	15:01
czajkowski	ivanka: http://www.lczajkowski.com/2013/06/13/a-bite-of-something-new/	15:01
davmor2	sheriff mongo is coming!	15:05
popey	$morning	15:42
SuperMatt	hullo	15:43
davmor2	popey:	15:43
davmor2	popey: How's oscon treating you? I am setting up the live stream as we type	15:43
mungbean	1309 out of 1250 claimed	15:48
diddledan	that's clever	15:48
mungbean	but at laest they've got the SOLD OUT sign up now	15:49
diplo	Can someone tell me if this is accesible ?	15:52
diddledan	only 240k till 5M	15:52
diplo	http://82.69.12.215	15:52
diddledan	diplo: timeout	15:53
diplo	kk ta	15:53
diplo	aha, lot's of stuff been played with on router	15:54
diplo	Should work now ?	15:54
diddledan	It works!	15:54
diplo	ta fanx	15:54
diddledan	I wonder how many webservers leave that page up?	15:54
diddledan	I believe all the servers at my work will be displaying that page for HTTP/1.0 and IP-based and incorrect hostname access	15:55
diplo	heh, fresh install for me, trying DMZ setup on the router rather than port forward ports everywhere	15:57
diplo	Seems to work ok atm, and instead of changing the IP each time on each port I can just change the IP of the VM I'm testing	15:58
diddledan	true DMZ or fake-DMZ? :-p	15:58
MartijnVdS	run-dmz	15:58
diddledan	most commercial routers call NAT to a single LAN IP as DMZ but it's fake - a true DMZ has a separate network segment	15:59
bigcalm	Steak T-2.5 hours	15:59
diplo	true-dmz	16:00
diplo	Well so it says on the web page :)	16:01
neuro_	"please enter the first, fourth and thirteenth characters of your password"	16:05
neuro_	when it comes to verified by visa, i don't mess around :)	16:06
diddledan	thirteenth?!	16:06
diddledan	bloody nora	16:06
neuro_	you don't use long passwords?	16:06
diddledan	I can't remember a password that long	16:06
diddledan	I've got lastpass for most of my passwords	16:07
diddledan	but verified by visa requires that I remember it myself	16:07
diddledan	'cos they insist on segments	16:07
neuro_	my passwords are usually two or three words mashed together with some letters numberised	16:07
neuro_	and random capitalisation if i'm feeling particularly sadistic	16:07
davmor2	neuro_ 's password is "It's_a_wee_timorous_beastie_with_big_pointy_teeth"	16:08
* diplo uses keepassx		16:08
diplo	Around 16characters for all mine	16:08
neuro_	underscores make touch typists cry	16:09
* SuperMatt uses keepassx too		16:09
SuperMatt	it's useful	16:09
neuro_	woot	16:13
neuro_	dns migrated from old clapped out 10.04 vm to funky 12.04 dual xeon	16:13
neuro_	on both v4 and v6	16:13
neuro_	bounce	16:13
SuperMatt	my experiments in to v6 have left my brain dripping out of my ears	16:14
MartijnVdS	SuperMatt: ipv6?	16:14
MartijnVdS	SuperMatt: what do you want to know? :)	16:14
SuperMatt	how to stop my brain from hurting ;)	16:14
MartijnVdS	SuperMatt: It's like IPv4, but with longer addresses.. nothing more	16:14
SuperMatt	but seriously, I understand much of it	16:14
MartijnVdS	oh and autoconfiguration, which is nice	16:15
neuro_	tis	16:15
neuro_	i use it at home	16:15
neuro_	well, here	16:15
neuro_	since i am at home	16:15
MartijnVdS	my ISP even does DHCPv6-PD over PPPoE to send me a prefix	16:16
neuro_	shush	16:16
MartijnVdS	so I get a /48 at home	16:16
neuro_	so my question is	16:16
neuro_	what the heck are you gonna do with a /48? :)	16:16
* neuro_ is quite happy with a /64		16:17
MartijnVdS	neuro_: yeah.. I'm still sort of wondering	16:17
MartijnVdS	neuro_: I get 64k /64s 8-)	16:17
neuro_	and even that is kinda frivolous when you think about it	16:17
neuro_	hehe	16:17
neuro_	annoyingly though, my new dns server is sitting on a /128 :(	16:17
diddledan	my reason for a /48 would be to allow me to give hotspot users a /64, but no hotspot software currently works with ip6	16:18
MartijnVdS	diddledan: coovachilli does, I think	16:18
neuro_	i thought m0n0wall supported v6	16:18
diddledan	it needs to be compatible with hotspotsystem.com, so I've not been able to get m0n0wall or pfsense (preferred over m0n0) working with it	16:19
diddledan	I think I had issues with the whitelisting	16:19
diddledan	I can't remember now tho, tbh	16:19
neuro_	i always forget pfsense does portal	16:19
MartijnVdS	neuro_: so basically I have 64k * (v4 space * v4 space).. which does seem like a lot	16:19
neuro_	you'd run out of space for machines before you ran out of IPs	16:20
MartijnVdS	neuro_: coovachilli seems compatible, accordsing to the "Installation guide"	16:20
neuro_	MartijnVdS: i care not :)	16:20
neuro_	wasn't me asking ;)	16:20
MartijnVdS	oh wait	16:21
MartijnVdS	diddledan: ^	16:21
diddledan	MartijnVdS: link?	16:23
diddledan	can't find any mention here: http://www.coova.org/CoovaChilli/Documentation	16:23
MartijnVdS	diddledan: http://hotspotsystem.com/en/hotspot/install_guide_openwrt.html	16:24
diddledan	oh right, yeah, I know coova is compatible with hss, but coova doesn't do ip6	16:24
MartijnVdS	diddledan: http://www.coova.org/CoovaChilli/ChangeLog it does (experimentally)	16:25
diddledan	the documentation for coova is seriously scant	16:27
MartijnVdS	it is :(	16:27
* MartijnVdS runs a network for a camping on it		16:27
HoT\|2fC^	Still no luck :(	16:32
HoT\|2fC^	I can't beleave windows will boot but not detect my scsi drive, then when I try and boot Ubuntu or any Linux distro it just fails an does not boot at all :(	16:33
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: are you using the 32-bit Ubuntu? Because your machine seems a bit old for 64-bit software	16:34
HoT\|2fC^	MartijnVdS, I use 32Bit with Windows and Ubuntu is 32bit ? I think.	16:35
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: depends on the .iso you download	16:35
HoT\|2fC^	MartijnVdS: First Linux distro I tried to boot was this one "ubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386"	16:36
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: how did you burn it to CD?	16:37
HoT\|2fC^	Using Nero?	16:37
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: as a file on the CD, or as a disc image?	16:37
HoT\|2fC^	I burnt both ways	16:38
AlanBell	if you put the disk in the computer you used to burn it, does it open a folder containing a file called ubuntu-13.04-desktop-i386.iso?	16:38
HoT\|2fC^	I have a copy here and it boots from my PC.	16:38
AlanBell	because if it did, then you are doing it wrong	16:38
AlanBell	ok, so you have a known good CD that boots on another computer	16:39
AlanBell	is the bios on the computer that doesn't work set so that it will boot from CD?	16:39
MartijnVdS	is the CD drive IDE or SCSI?	16:40
MartijnVdS	oh wait, you can boot Windows off the same drive	16:40
HoT\|2fC^	AlanBell, The CD I have tried to boot just says "ubuntu-13.04-server-amd64"	16:40
HoT\|2fC^	ISO Burn :/	16:40
HoT\|2fC^	then www.isoburner.com	16:40
HoT\|2fC^	when you highlight it	16:40
MartijnVdS	but.. -amd64 is not -i386	16:41
MartijnVdS	which one is it?	16:41
HoT\|2fC^	Thats the server one must be wrong that	16:41
HoT\|2fC^	the Desktop one is i386 an when I put it in my PC now it loads up Ubuntu Menu to install!	16:42
HoT\|2fC^	but this is a DVD-R so wont work in my CDROM and I think its SCSI.	16:42
HoT\|2fC^	I cant do usb booting either :(	16:42
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: OK, so get the i386 alternate or server CD image	16:42
AlanBell	ah, no it wont' work in a CD only drive	16:42
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: and burn the image to a cd	16:43
AlanBell	the desktop image is too big to go on CD	16:43
MartijnVdS	then you should be able to boot it	16:43
MartijnVdS	the server one isn't	16:43
HoT\|2fC^	Yeah true I didnt think of that :o	16:43
MartijnVdS	and the 12.04 one might fit on CD as well, still	16:43
AlanBell	yup, server should be fine, and as MartijnVdS says, it must be CD media	16:43
HoT\|2fC^	Ok so, I need the server i386 CD image.	16:43
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: releases.ubuntu.com	16:43
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: you want 12.04 for a server -- longer / better support	16:43
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: NOT 13.04	16:43
HoT\|2fC^	:o	16:44
HoT\|2fC^	I have 12.04 desktop on disc :D	16:44
HoT\|2fC^	its from ubuntu	16:44
HoT\|2fC^	but amd64 :/	16:44
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: yes.. get the 12.04 SERVER i386 ISO	16:44
MartijnVdS	not the desktop one	16:44
AlanBell	depends what you want, 13.04 is newer stuff, depends if you care	16:44
neuro_	why i386?	16:44
neuro_	do we know what the cpu is?	16:44
MartijnVdS	neuro_: because it's a machine from the neolithic	16:44
AlanBell	if you are running stuffs that depends on openoffice headless for PDF rendering then you probably want 13.04 rather than 12.04	16:45
neuro_	AlanBell: i doubt that's even a concern	16:45
HoT\|2fC^	Im using my Server for hosting a Dedicated game server.	16:45
neuro_	HoT\|2fC^: what is the CPU?	16:45
neuro_	or CPUs?	16:45
AlanBell	possibly not :) but there are perfectly valid reasons to want a newer server than LTS	16:46
HoT\|2fC^	It's a x2 Dual Intel Xeon 2.4Ghz	16:46
neuro_	what kind of xeon	16:46
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: which generation xeon?	16:46
neuro_	model number pls	16:46
HoT\|2fC^	Not sure.	16:46
neuro_	what make and model is the server?	16:47
HoT\|2fC^	http://reviews.cnet.com/soho-servers/hp-proliant-dl380-g3/4505-3125_7-30475074.html	16:47
neuro_	yikes	16:47
HoT\|2fC^	:/	16:47
neuro_	that server shipped with Windows 2000	16:49
neuro_	get the i386 installer	16:49
neuro_	"amd64" is 64-bit, which that class of machine will not (and did not) support	16:49
HoT\|2fC^	http://www.andovercg.com/datasheets/hp-proliant-dl380-server.pdf	16:49
HoT\|2fC^	More info on it	16:49
neuro_	don't need more	16:49
neuro_	get the i386 installer	16:49
HoT\|2fC^	:o	16:49
HoT\|2fC^	Ok ok :)	16:49
neuro_	lol	16:49
HoT\|2fC^	shame I have ran out of blank discs :(	16:50
HoT\|2fC^	what a bummer	16:50
neuro_	shops will still be open :)	16:50
neuro_	and this is a prime example of why you should plan stuff out before you do it	16:50
HoT\|2fC^	:(	16:51
HoT\|2fC^	I know.	16:51
HoT\|2fC^	Hey so I have here Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS 32Bit	16:51
HoT\|2fC^	Correct neuro_?	16:51
neuro_	server?	16:51
HoT\|2fC^	yes!	16:51
neuro_	hurrah	16:51
neuro_	have fun	16:52
HoT\|2fC^	i386	16:52
HoT\|2fC^	haha have fun, I wouldnt say that its fun tbh :p	16:52
HoT\|2fC^	I will have fun later when I play a few games!	16:52
neuro_	depends on your perspective	16:52
neuro_	what game servers are you planning to run on it?	16:52
HoT\|2fC^	Doom 3 :)	16:52
neuro_	cool	16:52
HoT\|2fC^	and maybe Quake 4	16:53
HoT\|2fC^	It will not be on 24/ 7 it will only be odd weekends.	16:53
HoT\|2fC^	also its for me to learn a bit about a Enterprise server :)	16:53
neuro_	well	16:54
neuro_	a midrange server, certainly	16:54
neuro_	albeit a 9 year old one	16:54
HoT\|2fC^	:)	16:55
HoT\|2fC^	So is my server junk then	16:55
neuro_	nope	16:55
neuro_	looks like i've found your cpu as well	16:55
neuro_	http://ark.intel.com/products/27269/Intel-Xeon-Processor-2_40-GHz-512K-Cache-400-MHz-FSB	16:55
HoT\|2fC^	ah nice one nice 1 :)	16:55
HoT\|2fC^	so is it x2 2.4ghz each core ?	16:56
neuro_	single core	16:56
HoT\|2fC^	ouch	16:56
HoT\|2fC^	whats the x2 Dual mean ?	16:56
neuro_	two packages	16:56
HoT\|2fC^	oh	16:56
neuro_	xeon number 1, xeon number 2	16:57
HoT\|2fC^	okok so its pushing 4.8ghz	16:57
neuro_	nope	16:57
HoT\|2fC^	yes its named :)	16:57
HoT\|2fC^	no :O	16:57
neuro_	it's 2x 2.4GHz	16:57
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neuro_	there are two separate single core CPUs	16:58
HoT\|2fC^	an that makes it ?	16:58
neuro_	and that makes it 2x 2.4GHz	16:58
neuro_	it's not a multiplier :)	16:58
HoT\|2fC^	so eg: if I have SMP	16:58
HoT\|2fC^	oh fuck	16:58
neuro_	language	16:58
HoT\|2fC^	mind my french!	16:58
MartijnVdS	HoT\|2fC^: "merde"	16:58
HoT\|2fC^	\o/	16:58
* HoT\|2fC^ starts to pull his hair out...		16:59
neuro_	as far as the OS is concerned, it doesn't matter if it's 1 CPU with dual core, or 2 CPUs with single cores	16:59
neuro_	or 1 CPU with 1 hyperthreaded core	16:59
HoT\|2fC^	true	16:59
neuro_	which these are not	16:59
HoT\|2fC^	so if I get ubuntu server 32bit going id be able to get a kick arse game server running?	16:59
HoT\|2fC^	thats all I care about :D	16:59
neuro_	no idea	16:59
neuro_	last time i ran a game server was about 5 years ago	17:00
HoT\|2fC^	wow lol	17:00
neuro_	wolfenstein enemy territory on a dual pIII	17:00
neuro_	ran quite nicely actually	17:00
neuro_	actually 6 years ago sounds more accurate	17:01
neuro_	dates, pfff	17:01
HoT\|2fC^	nice one, haha yeah while back now mate.	17:01
MartijnVdS	one internet century agi	17:01
MartijnVdS	ago*	17:01
neuro_	not that far back, jeez	17:01
HoT\|2fC^	I loved that game wolfenstein	17:01
HoT\|2fC^	hehe:)	17:01
neuro_	woah	17:01
neuro_	hey	17:01
neuro_	why do i have an underscore?	17:01
MartijnVdS	neuro_: because reasons	17:01
* neuro_ sees a neuro		17:02
neuro_	time to engage	17:02
HoT\|2fC^	oh you know like you said neuro_ that shops are open still, well not where I live in the middle of no where in the sticks with sheep and cows,... my nearest local shop for milk and bread is 4miles away! \o/	17:02
neuro_	"has been idle for 5hr 13min 16s"	17:02
neuro_	dammit	17:02
HoT\|2fC^	LoL	17:02
MartijnVdS	neuro_: blame christel?	17:02
=== neuro_ is now known as neuro
neuro	i'd blame christel for anything on freenode, but since she's not here ...	17:03
mgdm	have you got neuro registered?	17:04
neuro	yeah	17:04
mgdm	surely you can not-ghost-but-the-other-one	17:04
neuro	do you not remember? i had waited years to get it	17:04
mgdm	I do remember, which is why I was asking	17:04
neuro	after ryan murray decided not to log in for a few months	17:04
neuro	<-	17:04
neuro	it's done	17:04
neuro	i ghosted em	17:04
MartijnVdS	whoa	17:05
MartijnVdS	energy companies have too much money	17:05
bigcalm	Gah, LUG members are dropping out like flies. Tonight's going to be a lonely time	17:05
MartijnVdS	(electricity/gas)	17:05
mgdm	there's another one that bounces them to a Guest5425245 nick	17:05
neuro	yeah, i keep meaning to figure that out	17:06
neuro	cba tho	17:06
neuro	anyway, mister sean mulvenon from nebraska, cheeky sod using my nick, is no more	17:06
neuro	at least is no more using my nick	17:06
MartijnVdS	silly yanks	17:07
DJones	Heh, just reading http://www.omgchrome.com/google-announce-chromecast-chromekey/ and like this line "Any device running Chrome will be able to take advantage of Chromecast, regardless of operating system or device" Does that mean Chrome browser or Chrome OS	17:07
MartijnVdS	lots of googly anouncements tonight it seems	17:08
neuro	"Chromecast will cost $XX"	17:09
neuro	20 bucks? awesome!	17:09
MartijnVdS	$35	17:09
MartijnVdS	still awesome	17:09
MartijnVdS	(according to the ars livecast)	17:09
neuro	new nexus 7 at end of month for $229	17:09
MartijnVdS	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZzS6BxHEns	17:10
neuro	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZzS6BxHEns	17:10
neuro	jinx	17:10
neuro	just in time for it to finish ;)	17:12
MartijnVdS	8-)	17:12
neuro	"Comments are disabled for this video." Even Google knows that the people who post YouTube comments aren't quite human	17:13
MartijnVdS	great.. now I wait for the firmware push on my phone	17:14
ali1234	my god the spelling on that article	17:59
AlanBell	ooh I like that chromecast thing	18:29
arc__	hi is there any visualisation programs in ubuntu execpt virual box	18:33
AlanBell	arc__: do you by any chance mean virtualisation?	18:35
arc__	yes sorry for the bad spelling	18:35
AlanBell	heh, that is a different word, not a bad spelling!	18:36
arc__	sorry	18:36
AlanBell	virtualbox is good for desktop virtualisation, kvm is good for server stuff	18:36
arc__	what is kvm	18:36
arc__	never heard of it before	18:36
AlanBell	it is kernel level virtualisation, you can control it with libvirt and the virt-manager gui	18:37
arc__	so how do i install it using terminal	18:37
AlanBell	good if you want to run and monitor a dozen or so VMs per host, and a few hosts	18:37
AlanBell	!kvm	18:37
lubotu3	kvm is the preferred virtualization approach in Ubuntu. For more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KVM	18:37
ali1234	virtualbox is perfectly fine for server virtualization too	18:37
arc__	apt-get (what)	18:37
ali1234	it can even use kvm	18:38
AlanBell	arc__: read the link above :)	18:38
arc__	yeah i have checked it	18:38
arc__	my laptop does not support hardware virtualization	18:39
AlanBell	can virtualbox manage remote hosts ali1234?	18:40
ali1234	define "manage" and "remote"	18:40
ali1234	and "host"	18:40
AlanBell	heh	18:40
AlanBell	headless server, with a bunch of VMs on it, and I want the management gui on my laptop	18:40
ali1234	virtualbox has a command "VBoxHeadless" which you can use over ssh to manage guests	18:40
arc__	has anyone ported virtual pc 2007 for ubuntu	18:41
AlanBell	arc__: that isn't open source is it?	18:41
arc__	i don't know that is why i am asking	18:41
AlanBell	it is a microsoft product, it can't be ported by anyone but microsoft	18:42
AlanBell	why do you want that specific product?	18:42
arc__	it is very good for old windows os's like 3.11 and ms-dos and other stuff without crashing	18:43
ali1234	AlanBell: actually, just use xhost if you want to remote the gui. that's what it is for	18:43
ali1234	though the gui isn't really that useful once you have configured the vms	18:44
AlanBell	ali1234: but then I have a separate GUI for each host	18:44
ali1234	true	18:44
AlanBell	I get your point, but KVM has one GUI that will ssh to multiple hosts and give me little graphs of all the VMs	18:44
AlanBell	http://virt-manager.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/virt-manager-vm-list.png	18:44
AlanBell	like that	18:44
AlanBell	but not all localhost :)	18:45
ali1234	well considering the virtualbox can use kvm... that will probably continue to work	18:45
arc__	i am now installing ubuntu server in vbox right now	18:45
ali1234	maybe it can't use kvm actually	18:46
AlanBell	it can use disks that kvm uses	18:46
ali1234	well	18:46
ali1234	put it this way	18:46
ali1234	if the kvm kernel modules are loaded, and you make a linux virtualmachine in virtualbox, it will only continue to work if the kvm kernel modules are loaded	18:47
arc__	some how my p4 2.9ghz 1.5gb ram pc is bad is vm's compared to my crap laptop with 712mb of ram	18:47
ali1234	however, if the kvm module is loaded and you create or run a windows vm, it will always work	18:47
ali1234	and if you make a linux vm with the kvm module unloaded, it won't work if the kvm module is loaded	18:47
ali1234	to me this suggests that virtualbox uses kvm for linux vms	18:47
ali1234	if it is available	18:47
AlanBell	ok	18:48
ali1234	it could just be that one or the other is horribly broken	18:48
ali1234	or more likely both	18:48
AlanBell	the big deal for me with virtualbox is that GUI accelleration is passed through with the guest extensions	18:48
arc__	no it run faster in the host than the laptop	18:48
arc__	host os (xp	18:48
AlanBell	are you typing on a phone arc__?	18:49
ali1234	anything less than 4GB is not even enough to run a single operating system	18:49
arc__	no it is i am a bad at using the keybord really fast	18:50
arc__	no that is not true	18:50
ali1234	1GB was considered entry level in about 2006	18:50
arc__	i can run 4 vm's of win 2000 all at the same time	18:50
arc__	and 3 vm's of xp	18:50
ali1234	and they are all extremely slow	18:50
ali1234	XP was released in what, 2001?	18:51
arc__	xp is medium but 2000 runs fast	18:51
ali1234	2000 is the previous generation	18:51
shauno	or idle. depending on the platform you can oversubscribe VMs like crazy. and it'll look convincing when they're just sitting there doing nothing useful	18:52
arc__	no they can all play videos at above good quality	18:53
ali1234	especially if you don't have hardware virtualization	18:54
arc__	my pc can do a lot with vm's	18:54
arc__	don't under estimate it	18:55
ali1234	i'm not particularly happy about how memory hungry modern OSs - it's just the way it is	18:55
arc__	why does microsoft have to leave it's p4 costumer when it can't run win 8	18:56
arc__	even win 7 run's on it	18:57
ali1234	they stopped making P4s 5 years ago	18:57
arc__	yes but win 7 supported p4	18:57
arc__	ubuntu run really well on it	18:58
directhex	arc__, many operations are incredibly slow when you don't have virtualization-specific instructions in your CPU. which is something not found in pentium 4.	19:02
shauno	they're pretty horrible processors for most uses, but it felt a bit mean saying that to his face	19:09
directhex	they're irrelevant, in 2013	19:22
AlanBell	that is raspberry pi class computing	19:24
AlanBell	but with a touch more memory perhaps	19:24
directhex	you overestimate raspberry pi.	19:29
* AlanBell installed OpenERP on a raspberry pi		19:30
AlanBell	granted it wasn't the fastest ERP platform I have ever used	19:30
Azelphur	did the way of using multiple IP addresses change with the dawn of "ip" instead of ifconfig?	19:44
Azelphur	or do I still just add stuff to /etc/network/interfaces	19:44
diddledan	5.1meelion!	19:47
shauno	heh. my finger's been hovering over the button all day, but I just can't do it	19:53
mungbean	neuro: 5M cough	19:53
mungbean	i feel bad about spending £15 on toys today	19:54
mungbean	:P	19:54
shauno	I really wish projects that large wouldn't use the kickstarter model. £500 is into the realm of purchases I need to plan out, not be given a deadline	19:55
MartijnVdS	shauno: you have one month	19:56
diddledan	shauno: I done it	19:56
diddledan	shauno: be with the "in" crowd :-p	19:56
shauno	one month is irrelevant to me, the deadline is before my next payday	19:57
mungbean	credit card ftw	19:57
mungbean	up to 56 days to pay	19:58
shauno	I really hope it works. just bummed because I really can't swing it this month :/ I blew this month's toy budget in 2 hours	20:01
diddledan	ooh, what'd ya buy?	20:01
MartijnVdS	"toys"	20:02
diddledan	sextoys?	20:02
davmor2	diddledan: ahum	20:02
diddledan	scuse me :-p	20:02
davmor2	diddledan: he bought shiny toys	20:02
MartijnVdS	davmor2: those can be shiny too you know	20:03
shauno	shiny toys <3 new phone & a mac mini	20:03
davmor2	MartijnVdS: I'm not even going to ask how you know that :P	20:03
diddledan	mac mini.. is it running ubuntu yet?	20:03
mungbean	how much is your fun budget?	20:03
shauno	lol, no	20:03
davmor2	shauno: see should of held out on the new phone :D	20:03
MartijnVdS	davmor2: I used to work in the same office as a credit card clearinghouse for adult sites, and they had a few people regularly checking if those sites complied with their TOS	20:04
MartijnVdS	davmor2: they had to cycle out those people every 2 weeks because of the mind-numbingness of watching pron 40 hours a week	20:04
davmor2	MartijnVdS: yeah, yeah :D	20:04
diddledan	MartijnVdS: sounds horrid	20:04
mungbean	sounds grim	20:05
MartijnVdS	there's weird stuff out there	20:05
diddledan	I suppose there's only so much "fun" you can have in one block, and 8hours straight probably comes close	20:05
diddledan	I'd imagine it to be exhausting work	20:06
MartijnVdS	it's worse than you'd initially think	20:06
MartijnVdS	hence the two-weeks-at-a-time temps	20:06
diddledan	lol	20:06

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