[06:41] good morning everyone. [06:42] hi brobostigon [06:43] morning MartijnVdS === scott is now known as Guest30876 [07:42] morning all [07:43] \o MooDoo [07:45] Morning all === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:13] i appeared to have accidentally drawn a picture of popey while prolifically doodling [08:13] want to see it? [08:13] mungbean: time to put it online ;) [08:13] http://i.imgur.com/RD9Tfbf.jpg [08:14] mungbean: surprised popey even [08:14] any resemblance to characters living or dead is entirely coincidental === ivanka-train is now known as ivanka [08:34] Wheeeee [08:35] 2560x1080 60.0*+ === MooDoo_ is now known as MooDoo [08:36] Good morning peeps :) [08:37] morning bigcalm [08:39] http://martijn.vandestreek.net/~martijn/screenshot-huge.png [08:43] That's a rather wide screen [08:44] bigcalm: it is :) [08:44] 21:9 [08:50] i have that but with a bezel inbetween [08:51] cos i have 2 monitors :D [08:51] I don't like bezels [08:52] and actually it is 2560x1024 10:4 on mine [08:52] nice MartijnVdS [08:52] is that a strandbeast on the beach? [08:53] no [08:53] just a some people walking [08:58] hi MartijnVdS [08:58] MartijnVdS, you know yesterday you said you look at website logs - does this mean you might know someone who is good at making wordpress sites run fast? [08:59] hello Daviey [08:59] ivanka: not really, sorry [08:59] MartijnVdS, okie dokes [09:00] lol [09:00] neuro_: you know how to speed up wordpress? [09:01] yup [09:02] ivanka, neuro_; neuro_, ivanka 8-) [09:02] haha [09:02] long winded introduction and conversation unnecessary [09:02] ivanka: http://wordpress.org/plugins/w3-total-cache/ [09:03] neuro_: "Reducing downward times!" [09:04] indeed === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:19] neuro_, ivanka, we reccomend WP Super Cache. I've not yet been interested enough to know why we'd recommend that over something else [09:20] Good morning all, happy Kitchen Debate Day! :-D [09:20] morning JamesTait [09:20] JamesTait: Kitchen Debate Day? [09:21] MooDoo, o/ [09:21] Wut? [09:21] MartijnVdS, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitchen_Debate [09:21] ah, so it's not a discussion about what's for lunch [09:22] salad for me :) [09:48] something to do with 24/7 ? [09:49] oh, /me scrolls [09:49] gumtree appears to be a site for chavs and chancers in life [09:50] mungbean: don't go on it then ;) [09:51] but it haz the stuff ebay doesn't have :( [09:51] = deals [09:51] then be a chav or a chancer in life ;) [09:52] or unsuccessful at both [09:52] i've never successfully made a purchase [09:56] Morning all [10:17] * davmor2 randomly prods czajkowski just cause [10:17] * MartijnVdS deploys an infinite number of parachutes, just cause 2 [10:18] davmor2: you being brave again this morning? [10:19] MooDoo: It's a go day to be me. Well for now at any rate, so I'm making the most of it by annoying czajkowski it just seemed like the thing to do :) [10:19] davmor2: boo [10:22] davmor2: awww leave the poor lass alone :) [10:23] * davmor2 prods Moodoo instead [10:23] davmor2: oi i'm not your abuse pole [10:24] MooDoo: I'll go back to czajkowski then and stop complaining :P [10:24] yes boss === graingert is now known as Guest696 [10:27] so czajkowski how's life hows the new hens and is piripiri still putting them in their place? [10:33] so nugget is missing a chunk of feathers around her tail [10:33] but they seem to be a bit better today [10:34] czajkowski: getting snowed with eggs yet? [10:35] nope [10:35] had 1 a day so far since they arrived [10:35] not sure from which ones and it could take some time to settle after the move [10:42] I have 32 GB of RAM on a Server .... does anyone know how to go about the swap? 64GB and 32GB swap seems to much... any suggestions? [10:43] is it's normally about 2/3x the amount of ram? [10:43] then again it depends on what the server is doing [10:44] MooDoo, thank you... we really don't want any swapping but just in case. [10:45] yw! [10:46] what's the best way for tab completion for favourite hostnames? [10:46] CALAV3R4, swap is not useful to you. [10:47] CALAV3R4, you don't want to suspend your server to disk, so that's not useful [10:47] mungbean: it should automatically tab complete if it's in /etc/hosts or ~/.ssh/config [10:47] .ssh/config it is then, cheers [10:47] np [10:47] .ssh/config is your friend [10:47] (they are in DNS otherwise) [10:47] CALAV3R4, and by the time your server has swapped 32 or 64 or whatever gig of stuff out, it would have been faster to drive to the datacenter and press reboot, than wait for it to become responsive again under swap death conditions like that [10:48] I've got mine set up detailing usernames, aliases, identity file to use, etc [10:48] very handy [10:48] the old rules for swap size are only relevant for desktop/laptops, due to suspend to disk. even desktop/laptops have too much ram now for swapping to be helpful for actual "extra memory" reasons [10:48] i should def do that, i've been lazy [10:48] so I just type ssh live and I'm on my live server [10:48] once you've done it once, of course, you need only add to it over time [10:49] where's the man page? [10:49] same as ssh_config? [10:49] ~/.ssh/config This is the per-user configuration file. The format of this file is described above. [10:49] looks like it [10:49] yup [10:56] New Computerphile video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6bDA5FK6gs [10:56] haha [10:57] these are all academics / students in the nottingham CS school [10:57] Laney: yeah, they are :) [10:57] Laney: some people from a local hackerspace, it seems [10:57] don't know why they haven't talked to anyone from the FP / theory group yet :( [10:59] Laney: ask Brady :) [10:59] hey MartijnVdS, BigRedS and neuro_ I was in a meeting...I will check it out and get back to you. It's not for me directly, it is for my husband and it is potentially a paid gig === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [10:59] ah, ok [11:00] wp total cache definitely solves a lot of the constantly-dynamic issues that wp suffers from [11:00] just need to be careful that it's tuned correctly for the required load and content [11:04] neuro_, pm? [11:15] looks like edge funding is slowing way down [11:15] what is it now [11:15] less than 200k in the last 8 hours [11:15] 3.864m [11:15] they screwed up with the double trouble offer [11:15] mungbean: rewards have been restructured [11:15] I'm not sure it'll hit 5 [11:15] if fully funded with double troubles, then phones at $700 [11:16] they've gone mad [11:16] so why not just offer phones at $700 [11:16] mungbean: they're offering phones at 625 now [11:16] orly? [11:16] you can get it at $625, $675, $725, $830 and 2x @ $1400 [11:16] * mungbean checks [11:17] hmm..this makes them look a bit unprepared/unplanned [11:17] unless i'm missing something, there is absolutely no difference between any of them, other than the 1400 one being for 2 phones [11:17] http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity [11:17] ^ the plan [11:17] why buy 100 for 80,000 when you can buy 100 for 62,500 [11:17] also, the enterprise bundle is not economic [11:18] but you also get support with that bundle [11:18] just stop being silly and offer all phones @ 630 [11:18] customers need to know where they stand [11:18] "You told us you want more opportunities to get the Ubuntu Edge at a lower contribution level, so we went back to our spreadsheets and came up with a solution." [11:18] the solution is to just leave it alone [11:19] Hundreds of you have already contributed $830 for an Ubuntu Edge, but don’t worry. We’ll refund the difference at the end of the campaign so you won’t lose out. [11:19] this makes them look silly tbh [11:19] WHAT! [11:19] i didn't notice that [11:19] this is sheer confusion [11:19] who decided this? [11:20] isn't it all really just a test of the water to see if people are really interested? I could never seeing them make 30m [11:20] MooDoo: it's 40,000 phones, which could happen if the price was $5-600 or thereabouts [11:20] this is a poor way to test the water [11:21] these "perk levels" should have been implemented from the start [11:21] look at the funders list [11:21] or not at all [11:21] some are paying 655, others 625 [11:21] confusion reigns [11:21] at least they can then say "ah well we tried and people weren't interested" [11:21] 655 = 625 + 30 int. shipping [11:21] ah [11:24] but people obviously are interested [11:24] but are enough people interested for it to be a real thing [11:24] 32m is too high imo [11:25] the enterprise bundle has more problems than just being more expensive than buying them individually [11:25] i like to see people having a plan [11:25] this does not look like a plan [11:25] AlanBell: yeah, we were talking about this yesterday [11:25] but then again I read somewhere that orange or someone similar did a similar thing and to produce a new phone it actually takes 50m so they are doing it a lot cheaper [11:26] you're supposed to get a capex and deployment approval for something based on a) whether or not it actually gets manufactured and shipped, and b) meets its release date, and it's 10 months away ... [11:27] oh and if your deployment is successful, you can never buy any more [11:27] and if one of them is dropped and smashes beyond repair, you can never buy a replacement [11:27] or just have a rich employer who likes to gamble and give away toys [11:28] in which case the included workshops and 30 days of support are useless [11:28] you'd be cheaper off just buying a bunch of them at the lower tiers [11:28] is the weather nice out? [11:28] no [11:28] blue sky in london, unsure if warm [11:29] it's too warm/cold/sunny/cloudy/dry/wet/blue/green/fishy [11:29] oi it's never to fishy ;) [11:29] mungbean: http://www.weeronline.nl/Europa/Groot-Brittannie/Londen/4163337 [11:29] hehe [11:29] GROOT! [11:29] STROOPWAFEL! [11:30] mmmm stroopwaffels [11:30] hmmm stroopwafels [11:30] * mgdm ^5 MartijnVdS [11:30] ^5 [11:30] since when did ^ = 5? [11:31] err, s/5/high/ [11:31] since forever/ [11:31] ? [11:31] never mind [11:31] don't care [11:31] just opened a pack of french crisps [11:31] Saveur Bolognaise [11:32] om nom [12:10] hey up everyone :) [12:12] I got my DL380 G3 today it has a 36GB SCSI Hard Drive, now in the BIOS at POST screen it detects it but when I go to boot from CD/ROM on Windows XP Pro 32Bit, it says to me no Hard Drive detected please check its connected and make sure its setup via BIOS. [12:12] I have phoned the company where I got it from he said does the light come on the BAY, I said yes, so he then said what color is it I said its "Green" he said OK thats working then and its detecting it in the BIOS/POST Screen! [12:13] how is that an Ubuntu question? [12:13] he then said it should install XP no problem, I said I am about to try Ubuntu 13.04 Server edition he said try that an it should boot and install, if not let him know he will find out why and he said it might be something to do with where the SCSI is connecting to. [12:13] ah, thats how :) [12:14] yeah AlanBell lol, its more of a BIOS / BOOT / ANY OS tbh lol I just need it to work hhaa. [12:14] so, does it work in Ubuntu? [12:14] Could be that win xp cd hasn't got the right driver for the scsi hardware [12:15] DJones sounds so true :) it is a copy off Torrent as a .iso already activated. but yeah hopefully it boots off the ubuntu in a minute when I burn it to disc. [12:15] AlanBell, not as yet :) [12:15] HoT|2fC^: there's a "Have driver disk" prompt at install time for a reason ;) [12:16] !piracy [12:16] piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music, and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o [12:16] oops sorry. [12:16] just stick to Ubuntu :) [12:17] MartijnVdS, yeah it detects it as Compaq 36.6GB's (SCSI) [12:17] HoT|2fC^: I just got off the phone with the stone age. They want their machine back. [12:17] It's formatted I can't see it not installing to be honest, it boots fine! [12:17] :O [12:18] MartijnVdS, whos machine :D [12:18] HoT|2fC^: Gnork the caveman [12:18] HoT|2fC^: You have your answer then, install Ubuntu & relax [12:19] DJones, I hope so yeah :) [12:19] HoT|2fC^: for windows xp there is an option during the initial cd run like F1 or something to install 3rd party drivers if it is a scsi device these are almost always needed. [12:19] the guy even said it on the phone lol, it says in BIOS (OS Type) and a list of OS/S... shell I select "Linux" [12:20] davmor2: Ahhh yes I always noticed that at the start lol, always wondered what that F6 or something or other does LOL [12:20] you are a lifesaver :D [12:21] I just let it scan all that at the start an wait then it comes up with the detected hard drive thing saying F3 to reboot. [12:22] right brb :D [12:22] wish me luck!! [12:23] quick everyone hide [12:23] :D [12:27] If you delete a rm, it doesn't delete the files it points to, right? [12:30] huh? [12:35] yeah that would sound about the right reaction to that question [12:37] Azelphur: can you be a little clearer? [12:37] Azelphur: do you mean a symlink? [12:37] wow, haha [12:37] I really mangled that sentence didn't I [12:37] yeah [12:38] :) [12:38] but yea, I did mean a symlink, and I figured it out, couldn't delete it because it wasn't a symlink :) [12:38] i'm impressed i interpreted rm as symlink lol [12:39] haha [12:39] does anyone else do that? you go to type something, then you make a correction, but you mess it up and just end up with a totally mangled sentence that makes no sense. [12:39] I do it occasionally \o/ [12:39] I was trying to work out how you delete something if you'd deleted the rm command [12:40] hahaha [12:41] /bin/unlink [12:41] or write a python script :-) [12:42] DJones: mv file /dev/null? ;) [12:43] format and reinstall Azelphur that'll definately delete the file. [12:43] haha [12:43] It's what I do ;) [12:43] MooDoo: funny enough, that's what I'm actually doing, just taking backups at the moment ;) [12:44] Azelphur: backups? you a man or a mouse ;) [12:45] a mouse, full drive backups >.< [12:45] in multiple locations, too [12:45] lol I can't talk, I'm paranoid about backups :D [12:55] quick everyone hide [12:55] :D [12:55] Tuttut ;) [12:56] resize2fs of ext4 ? umount first? [12:56] yup [12:56] always [12:56] personally, I tend to do my stuff with gparted running off a usb or cd [12:56] because I don't trust my fingers [12:57] it does work though... [12:57] Well im back so best get out of your hiding places haha, well I have tried booting Windows XP, pressed F6 for third party SCSI drivers and what do you know no luck at all I get a message asking me to put a Disk in but A? thats floppy lol I dont have a floppy with drivers on it so I dont know why its not letting me get them off the disc, anyway says about the SCSI wont work with Windows XP, [12:57] so I tried Ubuntu and what do you know its on a DVD :( I have a CD/ROM not DVD/ROM. [12:57] I am going to burn the Ubuntu 13.04 Server.iso to a CDR now. [12:58] Then I should be able to boot linux ! [12:58] HoT|2fC^: will your machine boot off a USB stick? [12:59] i'll boot YOUR stick [12:59] mgdm, no as its old :( [12:59] I have ILO :/ [12:59] 13.04 server? [12:59] I can boot from CD/ROM only :( [12:59] *boggle* [12:59] neuro_, yes. [13:00] y u no install lts? [13:00] ubuntu-13.04-server-amd64 <-- that one for my Xeons. [13:00] LTS? Whats that one about, isnt it a Beta or something \o/ [13:00] you jest, yes? [13:00] jest? :o [13:01] I haven't tested it no, hence why I am here lol. [13:01] I need to get it installed! [13:01] brb [13:06] * HoT|2fC^ is burning Ubuntu 13.04 Server to a non-DVD disc :) [13:09] Whats difference with LTS and normal Ubuntu 13.04 Server ? [13:09] oh, you were being serious [13:09] sorry, i thought you were making a joke :) [13:09] HoT|2fC^: 12.04 is LTS, 13.04 isn't [13:09] LTS is Long Term Support, it's supported longer [13:09] 8.04, 10.04, 12.04 are all LTS [13:10] 14.04 will be as well [13:10] they are supported for 7 years [13:10] iirc non-LTS releases are only supported for 18 months [13:10] i.e. one internet century [13:10] shush [13:10] :O [13:10] I see ok ok :D [13:10] so basically you'll get longer support for package updates for security etc with an LTS release [13:10] and lts doesn't use cutting edge versions of the software [13:10] I will just use this for now to test if it works then I will go for 13.04 LTS thanks there neuro_ [13:10] downside is "poorer" hardware support [13:10] 13.04 is not LTS [13:10] MooDoo: well, it's cutting edge at the time of release [13:10] 12.04 is [13:11] LoL [13:11] MartijnVdS: well yes but 12.04 isn't now :ed [13:11] neuro_: and they do "hardware support upgrade" now, with newer kernels and X [13:11] oh yeah [13:11] quantal kernels [13:11] raring kernels even [13:11] * MooDoo doesn't need anything other than LTs [13:11] Ok ok, thats enuff now just help me get it installed on my server using SCSI hard drive lol [13:11] burn disc, put disc in optical drive, boot [13:12] neuro_: behave it can't be that easy ;) [13:12] that's how i do it :) [13:12] HoT|2fC^: the "Server" doesn't install the GUI bits, but does offer several server-specific options [13:12] neuro_: you're magical we're only human ;) [13:12] HoT|2fC^: the "Desktop" ISOs install the Ubuntu desktop you know and love [13:12] if no optical drive, go to currys, buy cheap usb dvd drive, put disc in cheap usb dvd drive, install [13:12] 'Yer a wizard, neuro_' [13:12] abracadabra [13:13] MartijnVdS, ah ok ok so easy 7 steps then? till I get to the GUI bit :D [13:13] shhhhhhh all he's at the burn the disk stage, it's a difficult one that ;) [13:13] no GUI in server install [13:13] :( [13:13] text mode [13:13] it's easy [13:13] \o/ text mode [13:13] \o/ [13:13] is it all command ? [13:13] server is text mode by default [13:13] I dont know any commands well I do.. [13:13] HoT|2fC^: yes unless you install a gui [13:13] sudo get makeme a butty [13:14] MooDoo, damn :( [13:14] i would stop right now [13:14] if you don't know what you're doing [13:14] HoT|2fC^: why do you need a gui? [13:14] MooDoo, I want a easy install all I want is to get a distro on my server. [13:14] cd and vi are your friends ;) [13:14] using SCSI. [13:14] emacs runs fine in text mode [13:14] mmm [13:14] don't worry about scsi [13:14] HoT|2fC^: then you don't need a gui [13:14] ubuntu treats everything as scsi ;) [13:14] good! :D [13:15] when I install ubuntu server now when do I need to do ?? [13:15] I'm talking to you now from a server running command line irc :D [13:15] is it easy [13:15] lol MooDoo [13:15] HoT|2fC^: http://www.ubuntu.com/download/server/install-ubuntu-server [13:15] READ [13:15] OK [13:15] :D [13:15] HoT|2fC^: get the iso and burn it to a cd, then boot the server with it in the drive, and follow the on screen prompts easy :d [13:16] Seems easy :) [13:16] ok here goes.. [13:16] be right back [13:16] * HoT|2fC^ runs to the basement [13:17] should we have told him about the crickets? ;) [13:17] and the spiders [13:17] I'M RARED RAGGY! [13:18] Me too, Scoob! [13:18] online resize went ok [13:19] brave :) [13:20] i don't have control of the VMware to snapshot it [13:22] 4.25M ... [13:22] sold quite a few more phones today [13:23] mungbean, price dropped a lot too [13:23] sliding scale now [13:24] pay what you want ;) [13:24] humble indie phoe [13:25] neuro_: I'm still unable to get my head around routing for this project, but the good news is that the buck has been passed to the client to sort out :D We've got the VPN set-up, now they can deal with routing [13:25] \o/ [13:26] That's what I did when I call the call about it from my boss [13:26] the fobbed off happy dance :) [13:26] s/call/got [13:26] Heh [13:26] humble indie phone, lol [13:27] hmm, i'm just firing in my shopping into tesco.com and i note on their front page, they think i'm some sort of english picnicking mentlar [13:27] half price ice cream! half price cheese! 2 for £1 on salad! [13:27] and the kicker [13:28] PIMMS 1l ONLY £16! [13:28] uh, ok [13:28] i think i've drunk pimms twice in my whole life [13:28] albeit once for an extended session [13:28] I don't think I've ever had Pimms [13:28] it is a silly drink [13:29] it tastes like barley sugar sweets if you add it to lemonade [13:29] but when you're at a work event in brighton, and people keep handing you glasses of it, you tend not to say no [13:29] MooDoo: that doesn't sound too bad actually, I like barley sugars :) [13:30] this stuff is epic, by the way: http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=266352446 [13:30] copella apple juice [13:35] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/23/ubuntuforums_cracker_promises_no_password_release/ [13:35] neuro_: sure, "promise" [13:37] oh we're supposed to think he's great now? [13:38] pimms is nice if you make it into proper nice ginger ale [13:38] not Schweppes, mind you [13:39] pimms is evil [13:39] I don't like it [13:39] doesn't bother me either way [13:39] its ok in a cold drink [13:40] not particularly exciting though [13:47] $360,440 has been raised through the $20 founder perk?! [13:48] cool [13:48] that's if everyone at that level only contributed $20 [13:48]