| shauno | /clear | 00:04 |
|---|---|---|
| shauno | oops | 00:04 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 06:48 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 06:48 |
| diplo | Morning all | 07:17 |
| MooDoo | morning diplo how goes it | 07:37 |
| diplo | Not to bad thanks, very busy but otherwise good. Yourself MooDoo ? | 07:40 |
| MooDoo | diplo: yeah, just reading up on openstack | 07:48 |
| dogmatic69 | For some reason my inkscape hangs shortly after opening. | 08:00 |
| dogmatic69 | anyway to trace what is going on? | 08:00 |
| MartijnVdS | strace | 08:00 |
| dogmatic69 | ta | 08:00 |
| dogmatic69 | ga | 08:01 |
| dogmatic69 | had this problem before :( | 08:01 |
| dogmatic69 | its hanging trying to look at some files on my iphone which is not connected. | 08:01 |
| diplo | I want to play with that MooDoo, got no hardware to play with now :( | 08:08 |
| MooDoo | diplo: me neither at the moment, but I'm getting two shiney new machines at christmas then I'll set up a lab at home. | 08:08 |
| diplo | I've just got my server/san setup at work though after a year ( very old ) but it works | 08:09 |
| diplo | What I'd really like is to pop to a site where someone is using it, see how someone utilises stuff properly, I've always self taught with no best practises type of working | 08:10 |
| diplo | I'd love to see a proper setup at some point. | 08:10 |
| MooDoo | yeah i'm just wanting to play, the more I can learn the better i can pop into a new career | 08:11 |
| diplo | Exactly what I was thinking, about to start with puppet over the next few days as well | 08:12 |
| === SuperMatt is now known as SuperGeorge | ||
| JamesTait | Good morning all, happy Louise Brown Day! :-D | 08:27 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| directhex | who? | 08:30 |
| mungbean | was she the first tt baby? | 08:30 |
| mungbean | i had a fascinating facts bok when i was 5 | 08:30 |
| JamesTait | mungbean, spot on. :) | 08:32 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 08:32 |
| mungbean | if i t remeber rightly, no googling, born 1980 or 1981? | 08:34 |
| mungbean | april comes to mind though, maybe that was her middle name? | 08:34 |
| JamesTait | mungbean, she's 35 today. | 08:36 |
| mungbean | does she have any children herself? | 08:38 |
| JamesTait | Not sure where the April is coming from, though. Her middle name is Joy and her parents are Lesley and John. | 08:38 |
| JamesTait | She does - she gave birth to a son in 2006. | 08:38 |
| mungbean | these are 30+ yr old memories so i'm a bit (c)rusty... | 08:39 |
| JamesTait | I was a bit young to even notice at the time. :) | 08:40 |
| mungbean | i was one of these children who liked reading encyclpaedia | 08:40 |
| === joseph is now known as jlebrech | ||
| JamesTait | Nothing wrong with that, mungbean. Though I used to do the same, so I might be a bit biased. | 08:43 |
| JamesTait | I'm still like that now, always reading up about something, trying to absorb information, learn new stuff. | 08:45 |
| JamesTait | I think that's pretty much the summary of a geek. :) | 08:45 |
| mungbean | INTJ? | 08:46 |
| JamesTait | I think I came out INTP last time. | 08:46 |
| JamesTait | But borderline on a couple. | 08:46 |
| mungbean | an overriding feature of intj is deep diving into subjects and mastering them | 08:47 |
| mungbean | but may be common to INTP too | 08:47 |
| MartijnVdS | Different tests put me in INTP or INTJ | 08:48 |
| JamesTait | I should look up my results, actually. I've still got them here somewhere. | 08:48 |
| MartijnVdS | so I guess I'm in the middle on the J/P spectrum | 08:48 |
| mungbean | there's no crossover though, you are one or the other | 08:49 |
| mungbean | although it is spectral too :P | 08:49 |
| JamesTait | Or just take another Myers Briggs test, I'm sure there are loads online. | 08:49 |
| mungbean | intj are supposedly quite rare, which is weird as i work in IT and very many people in IT or on irc seem to be itnj | 08:50 |
| mungbean | i hardly know any extroverts | 08:50 |
| mungbean | and dislike a lot of them :P | 08:50 |
| * JamesTait nods knowingly. | 08:52 | |
| mungbean | all the 675 phones gone then | 08:57 |
| mgdm | What's the point to those tests, apart from curiosity? | 08:57 |
| mgdm | I've never done one | 08:57 |
| mungbean | it helps you realte with other people types | 08:58 |
| mungbean | helps my wife understand me | 08:58 |
| mgdm | we did something a bit like that with HR from work, but it was not quite as scientific as the Beano | 08:58 |
| mgdm | but it was a different scheme | 08:58 |
| mungbean | and when a loud person is blurting out their uninformed opinion and making decisions based on feelings you can understand why they are doing it | 08:59 |
| mgdm | I don't have a massive problem with that at the moment, but I suppose if I get 10 minutes... | 08:59 |
| mungbean | also if yuo have bright INTJ type in your workplace, you should use them for troubleshooting and ways to imporve systems | 08:59 |
| mungbean | because they are hardwired to improve, become specialists and find efficiencies | 09:00 |
| mungbean | so it helps to understand types | 09:00 |
| mungbean | also in relationships the five love languages is essential to understand. i thought it was airy fariy touchy feely, but itsvery useful to know | 09:01 |
| mgdm | Hmmm. :-) | 09:02 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | Gosh - Just seem ebuyer's daily mail. Almost a 1TB SSD for £450.00. A few years ago I spent that on a 32GB one. | 09:02 |
| mungbean | still costs as much as a laptop :D | 09:04 |
| SuperGeorge | TheOpenSourcerer: link? | 09:10 |
| MooDoo | 450? wow that's cheap for a TV | 09:10 |
| MooDoo | TB | 09:10 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | http://www.ebuyer.com/497437-crucial-960gb-m500-ssd-ct960m500ssd1 | 09:11 |
| mgdm | it's about average for a TV. :P | 09:11 |
| MooDoo | lol | 09:12 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: oooh | 09:12 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: have you tried the Dark Roast yet? :) | 09:12 |
| mgdm | Dark Roast SSDs? | 09:13 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: beer | 09:13 |
| MooDoo | mgdm: do you not keep up with his posts ;) | 09:14 |
| mgdm | MooDoo: nope :) | 09:14 |
| mungbean | went into home bargains last night and they had some aswesome deals on model kits. got £50 worth of kits for £15 | 09:14 |
| TheOpenSourcerer | MartijnVdS: Yes - unfortunately I didn't take any pictures. It was better than I expected it to be. Nowhere near as "syrupy" as some dark beers and still rather refreshing. I'll try and do a quick write up over the weekend. | 09:15 |
| MartijnVdS | TheOpenSourcerer: cool :) | 09:15 |
| directhex | hm | 09:19 |
| directhex | do i want an Enterprise off-the-shelf NAS, or a regular supermicro with too many hotswap bays on it? | 09:19 |
| mungbean | for you or company? | 09:19 |
| directhex | company | 09:19 |
| mungbean | i vote the former | 09:20 |
| directhex | price isn't a factor. management overhead is | 09:20 |
| MooDoo | get a proper nas not a self built one | 09:20 |
| mungbean | what is the budget and capacity? | 09:20 |
| directhex | budget is whatever i tell our accountant i need. capacity... ~20T region? plus or minus, given redundancy etc? | 09:21 |
| MooDoo | directhex: look at the synology boxes | 09:22 |
| mungbean | i'm thinking more equallogic or ibm v7000 | 09:22 |
| mungbean | iscsi, fc, SAS? | 09:23 |
| MooDoo | i want one of these - http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?product_name=DS412%2B&lang=uk | 09:23 |
| mungbean | or a mini netapps | 09:23 |
| MooDoo | or even http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?product_name=DS1513%2B&lang=uk | 09:23 |
| directhex | MooDoo, had been looking at RS3413xs+ | 09:24 |
| directhex | mungbean, SATA, NAS. i don't need FC or SAS or iSCSI | 09:24 |
| MooDoo | directhex: even better :D | 09:24 |
| directhex | thecus N12000PRO? | 09:25 |
| directhex | oh, "encrypted volumes" is a requirement | 09:27 |
| SuperGeorge | woo! the lovely nagstamon guy has added indicator support! | 09:37 |
| MartijnVdS | nastygram? | 09:39 |
| BigRedS | Oh! I've been meaning to look into that for weeks | 09:40 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| SuperGeorge | https://github.com/HenriWahl/Nagstamon | 09:41 |
| SuperGeorge | and it's just a python script so there's nothing to compile :D | 09:42 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| SuperGeorge | oh wow, android 4.3 is gonna have selinux | 10:01 |
| mgdm | 'Why is my phone not working?' 'setenforce 0' 'Oh, now it's fine!" | 10:02 |
| MooDoo | lol | 10:02 |
| dvrr | Hiiiii | 10:04 |
| * SuperGeorge chortles at mgdm | 10:09 | |
| dvrr | DooMoo:How to run apache tomcat 7 as service in ubuntu could you tel me please | 10:09 |
| MooDoo | https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-apache-tomcat-on-ubuntu-12-04 | 10:13 |
| MooDoo | oh they have left. | 10:13 |
| MooDoo | dvrr: check link above | 10:13 |
| dvrr | will check | 10:15 |
| dvrr | i will check | 10:15 |
| mungbean | basically all the people who search my linkedin profile are in india | 10:27 |
| mungbean | or spammers | 10:28 |
| mgdm | I get about 2 recruiters a week at the moment | 10:28 |
| neuro | or maybe they're in love with you | 10:28 |
| neuro | mgdm: them, I tell to eff off | 10:28 |
| neuro | make sure you don't have 'seeking employment' at the bottom of your profile | 10:29 |
| neuro | caught me out | 10:29 |
| mgdm | neuro: I just ignore 'em | 10:29 |
| mgdm | ah, I probably do | 10:29 |
| neuro | (or whatever it says" | 10:29 |
| neuro | cos i had one agency drone telling me that the only reason she got in touch was because it said "seeking employment" or whatever | 10:29 |
| neuro | changed it tout suite | 10:30 |
| mungbean | i don't mind contact via linkedin | 10:30 |
| neuro | then told her to eff off :) | 10:30 |
| mungbean | but using my name to then search the company directory to spam me other junk is out of order | 10:30 |
| neuro | lol | 10:30 |
| neuro | classy | 10:30 |
| mungbean | and i get random emails "Bert and Ron" | 10:30 |
| mungbean | Bert and Ron are LInux contractors lkooking for work and are CRB checked | 10:30 |
| neuro | "Bert and Ron you're my heroes" | 10:30 |
| mungbean | i'm not hiring | 10:30 |
| mungbean | please take me off your list according the data protection law | 10:31 |
| mungbean | nope | 10:31 |
| neuro | wait | 10:31 |
| neuro | why would you need to be crb checked to do a linux job? | 10:32 |
| mungbean | you don't | 10:32 |
| neuro | like, why make a point of it? | 10:32 |
| mungbean | but its the random crap i gt from agencies | 10:32 |
| neuro | yeah | 10:32 |
| mungbean | someone gave them my name last year, i suspect a contractor i the company | 10:32 |
| neuro | unlucky | 10:32 |
| mungbean | and now its got on the agency grapevine | 10:32 |
| ^2fC | How to I update instead of waiting for it to? | 10:32 |
| ^2fC | Ubuntu 13.04 that is. | 10:32 |
| ^2fC | Desktop! | 10:32 |
| neuro | can i just say though | 10:32 |
| neuro | https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/disclosure-and-barring-service | 10:32 |
| neuro | that is an awesome pic | 10:32 |
| mungbean | +1 | 10:33 |
| neuro | ^2fC: just run the update manager? | 10:33 |
| ^2fC | ah ok :) | 10:33 |
| mungbean | erm | 10:33 |
| mungbean | are you on 13.04 already, you just wanna update the packages? | 10:33 |
| mungbean | my problem is making the stupid update manager window go away | 10:34 |
| ^2fC | mungbean: yeah :) | 10:34 |
| neuro | i (heart) open government | 10:36 |
| neuro | https://www.gov.uk/performance/dashboard | 10:36 |
| AlanBell | it is a snake eating an elephant! | 10:38 |
| bigcalm | Ello peeps :) | 10:38 |
| mgdm | that was an entirely average Wednesday, it seems | 10:39 |
| ^2fC | updating drivers | 10:39 |
| ^2fC | not using Open source ones anytmore | 10:39 |
| ^2fC | :o | 10:39 |
| ^2fC | seems to crash my doom3 and quake4 | 10:39 |
| mungbean | how quick is unity at showing files just created? | 10:40 |
| mungbean | what i love about synapse is that you save to a file gc1.png, then then dialog closes, and rather than prodding through nautilus, ctrl-space gc1 ...opens *bosh* | 10:40 |
| neuro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jN8LC1aDpk | 10:43 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:50 |
| SuperGeorge | yo | 10:50 |
| neuro | lo | 10:50 |
| DJones | popey: If you're awake, what was that disposable email address service you mentioned a couple of months back | 10:54 |
| mungbean | mailinator? | 10:54 |
| DJones | mungbean: popey: Thanks, I'm pretty sure that was it | 10:55 |
| mungbean | i sometimes use the swedish version | 10:55 |
| mungbean | because less likely to get blocked by sites | 10:56 |
| * DJones looks at an invoice at work and wonders if there 'A Lord Satin Wheels' are a sideline for TheOpenSourcerer | 10:59 | |
| arc__ | hello | 11:10 |
| MooDoo | arc__: hello :) | 11:11 |
| arc__ | it is a bit quite in here today :( | 11:11 |
| SuperGeorge | MAKE SOME NOOOOISE | 11:11 |
| arc__ | YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 11:12 |
| SuperGeorge | I'm done with making noise now | 11:12 |
| SuperGeorge | I can't keep it up | 11:12 |
| SuperGeorge | I'm too old for this gumph | 11:12 |
| arc__ | I am makeing a vid for youtube at the moment | 11:12 |
| SuperGeorge | I'm just migrating some sites from one box to another | 11:12 |
| arc__ | how to install adb in ubuntu | 11:13 |
| arc__ | how do i clear the screen in terminal | 11:13 |
| directhex | "reset" | 11:13 |
| SuperGeorge | ctrl l | 11:13 |
| neuro | ^L | 11:13 |
| arc__ | cool thanz | 11:13 |
| directhex | and apt-get install android-tools-adb | 11:13 |
| arc__ | no that does not do it all | 11:14 |
| arc__ | it has more manual stuff to do | 11:14 |
| arc__ | that is why i am makeing a vid on ut | 11:14 |
| directhex | define "all" | 11:14 |
| neuro | define "define" | 11:15 |
| neuro | SuperGeorge: i know that feeling | 11:15 |
| neuro | i'm doing an emergency 8.04 -> 12.04 migration this w/e | 11:15 |
| arc__ | why | 11:15 |
| neuro | because reasons | 11:15 |
| arc__ | directthex: that command does not work anyway | 11:16 |
| SuperGeorge | neuro: ah, this isn't an emergency, it's just a happening | 11:16 |
| SuperGeorge | because we can | 11:16 |
| neuro | :) | 11:16 |
| SuperGeorge | I've been messing with nameservers this week | 11:16 |
| neuro | mine is due to a mate who bailed on doing it :( | 11:16 |
| SuperGeorge | I've been moving zones one at a time from one server to another | 11:17 |
| neuro | and the colo contract runs out on wednesday :P | 11:17 |
| SuperGeorge | eesh! | 11:17 |
| SuperGeorge | that doesn't sound any of the funs | 11:17 |
| neuro | pain in the bum, but needs to happen | 11:17 |
| neuro | it could be worse | 11:17 |
| neuro | it's only 46 gig of data | 11:17 |
| davmor2 | arc__: what version of ubuntu are you on and what is the video for? | 11:17 |
| neuro | a few domains | 11:17 |
| neuro | the pain bit is email | 11:18 |
| SuperGeorge | ugg, yeah | 11:18 |
| arc__ | ubuntu 12.04.1 lts and it is for installing/putting adb tools on ubuntu | 11:18 |
| SuperGeorge | moving email != fun | 11:18 |
| neuro | yup | 11:18 |
| arc__ | there is not many out there | 11:18 |
| neuro | i mean i have the procedure down pat, it won't be a problem, but it's just ... brrrrr *chills* | 11:18 |
| neuro | don't want to mess it up | 11:18 |
| neuro | also the really fun bit is it's 32-bit to 64-bit | 11:19 |
| davmor2 | arc__: why do you want the adbtools is it for flashing ubuntu to a phone or something else? | 11:19 |
| neuro | so if anyone on the box has compiled their own binaries, and for some reason it doesn't work with the lib32 stuff, they can bite me :) | 11:19 |
| directhex | arc__, you never said 12.04 - the package is just there and just works in 12.10 and higher | 11:19 |
| neuro | arc__: also isn't the install procedure fully documented on android.org? | 11:19 |
| SuperGeorge | neuro: lol | 11:20 |
| SuperGeorge | good plan :D | 11:20 |
| arc__ | yes but i find videos easyer to use and to find things out | 11:20 |
| arc__ | it is a way of learning like some people learn by seeing and doing | 11:21 |
| arc__ | Rather than reading and questioning your self if you have done it right | 11:22 |
| neuro | fair enough | 11:22 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: but often there are no videos, so you just have to follow the guide. | 11:22 |
| MartijnVdS | I've found it's a focus thing. | 11:22 |
| arc__ | that is why i am makeing it | 11:22 |
| neuro | but, and i don't want to burst your bubble, searching youtube for 'ubuntu android tools install' comes back with "About 20,900 results" | 11:22 |
| neuro | so make sure you have some sort of unique selling point :) | 11:23 |
| directhex | do it as a rap! | 11:23 |
| neuro | lol | 11:23 |
| arc__ | neuro: see what the results are | 11:23 |
| davmor2 | have cats installing it | 11:23 |
| neuro | the internet is made of cats | 11:24 |
| arc__ | they are not all about the adb tools only what the first 3 are | 11:24 |
| MartijnVdS | Google have a 3-line guided | 11:25 |
| MartijnVdS | 1: download .tar.gz; 2: untar it; 3: run android and install platformtools | 11:25 |
| * MartijnVdS fails to see the need for a full-fledged guide for that | 11:25 | |
| arc__ | yes but you have to stuff to bashrc | 11:26 |
| MartijnVdS | you don't | 11:26 |
| MartijnVdS | everything works fine if you just specify the path | 11:26 |
| arc__ | like this # Android tools export PATH=${PATH}:~/androidsdk/tools export PATH=${PATH}:~/androidsdk/platform-tools | 11:26 |
| arc__ | yes but is a bother if you have to keep on specifying the path all the time | 11:27 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: I just cd to ~/androidsdk first, then run platform-tools/adb | 11:27 |
| MartijnVdS | and still: how hard is it to follow a 4-5 line guide? | 11:27 |
| arc__ | it does not work like that | 11:27 |
| MartijnVdS | with the simplest possible commands | 11:27 |
| arc__ | it is a visual thing of learning | 11:27 |
| MartijnVdS | no, it's a question of understanding what you'll be doing before doing it | 11:28 |
| arc__ | look i will make it and i will post it in about 15-20 mins | 11:28 |
| arc__ | yes but people see they have self confidence | 11:28 |
| arc__ | when watching it | 11:28 |
| MartijnVdS | I avoid videos like that | 11:28 |
| selinuxium | Afternoon all o/ | 11:29 |
| MartijnVdS | because the person explaining tends to be condescending or wrong (or BOTH) | 11:29 |
| MartijnVdS | and puts in background music and weird title screens | 11:29 |
| MartijnVdS | \o selinuxium | 11:29 |
| neuro | CONFIDENCE INSPIRING! | 11:29 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: remind me not to ask you for second opinions on things ;) | 11:30 |
| directhex | guys, if he wants to record a video, he can | 11:30 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: OK ;) | 11:30 |
| directhex | no need for the dogpile | 11:30 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: sure :) | 11:30 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: I thought he was *looking* for a howto video, not *making* one | 11:30 |
| neuro | aha | 11:30 |
| neuro | to quote my mother | 11:30 |
| neuro | "do you see what 'thought' did? it pee'd the bed and blamed the blanket!" | 11:31 |
| MartijnVdS | ಠ_ಠ | 11:31 |
| neuro | i don't know what that means | 11:31 |
| neuro | I DON'T SPEAK UNICODE! | 11:31 |
| SuperGeorge | dude, you're obviously not very l3378 | 11:31 |
| SuperGeorge | -8 | 11:31 |
| shauno | it's a lesson re: questioning your mother. it's not meant to make sense. it's meant to test your blind obedience | 11:31 |
| neuro | SPRECHEN ZE ENGLISH POR FAVOR! | 11:32 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: 😱 | 11:32 |
| neuro | what is that? | 11:32 |
| davmor2 | neuro: it means you're non pep8 compliant and need to be rejected ;) | 11:32 |
| neuro | looks like a henry hoover | 11:32 |
| SuperGeorge | \/\/3 5|-|0u1d a11 T4l|< l1|<3 T|-|15 | 11:32 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: U+1F631 | 11:32 |
| MartijnVdS | SuperGeorge: d00d! | 11:32 |
| neuro | I DON'T SPEAK UNICODE!!!! | 11:32 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: U+1F631 FACE SCREAMING IN FEAR | 11:33 |
| neuro | that's like the worst unicode glyph i've ever seen | 11:33 |
| shauno | 😱 hah, he's not kidding | 11:34 |
| directhex | 💩💩💩 | 11:34 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: 🚱 | 11:35 |
| neuro | make it stop! | 11:35 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: 💞 | 11:35 |
| neuro | *facepalm* | 11:35 |
| davmor2 | hammertime | 11:35 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: what about U+1F47E ALIEN MONSTER ? | 11:35 |
| MartijnVdS | 👾 | 11:35 |
| shauno | hm, odd, that only printed one of them here. there should be 3 | 11:37 |
| arc__ | who here watch's Hak5 on revision 3 | 11:39 |
| arc__ | or techzilla | 11:39 |
| shauno | hm, I thought they'd fixed this .. my irc client still fails at sending multibyte characters (if its sending 3 characters, it sends 3 bytes. so 3 unicode characters is 6 bytes, the first 3 are sent, the rest are left on the floor) | 11:40 |
| neuro | haven't watched either of those for a long time | 11:41 |
| mungbean | i fancied a microwave pasta meal, but they only had the ones for 2 people, although it was on offer at less than what i usually pay for the 1 person one :S | 11:41 |
| mungbean | so now i have to eat half and throw half away | 11:42 |
| arc__ | waste ?! | 11:42 |
| neuro | "have to"? :) | 11:42 |
| mungbean | or what else? | 11:42 |
| MartijnVdS | http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButThouMust | 11:42 |
| mungbean | eat a meal for 2 people? | 11:42 |
| neuro | EAT IT ALL MAN! | 11:42 |
| arc__ | yes | 11:42 |
| mungbean | my belly will reject it after half way | 11:42 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: your caps lock seems to be sticky today ;) | 11:43 |
| arc__ | you should watch man vs food | 11:43 |
| neuro | shift key, my friend, i am a caps ninja | 11:43 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: it's still sticky | 11:43 |
| mungbean | i need to leave room for crisps too | 11:43 |
| arc__ | lol | 11:43 |
| neuro | mungbean: you're saying your stomach takes a (presumably) 400g microwave meal perfectly and nothing more? | 11:43 |
| mungbean | +crisps | 11:43 |
| arc__ | that is nothing | 11:44 |
| neuro | so don't eat the crisps, muppet :) | 11:44 |
| neuro | and polish off a bit more of the meal so it's lest wasty | 11:44 |
| mungbean | a day w/out crisps is like a day w/out sunshine | 11:44 |
| neuro | anyway, speaking of unhealthy foodstuffs | 11:44 |
| neuro | i'm nipping out to try one of the new mcdonalds meals before tesco gets here with my shopping | 11:44 |
| MartijnVdS | irn bru? | 11:44 |
| arc__ | my brother is a body builder so to get a lot of protein he eats 1 whole chicken a day | 11:44 |
| arc__ | and other body builder supplements and etc. | 11:45 |
| mungbean | i am scrawny | 11:45 |
| neuro | never understood body building | 11:45 |
| arc__ | supplements ? | 11:45 |
| neuro | anyway, to the unhealthy place! | 11:46 |
| arc__ | he goes to the gym every day for 2 hours after work | 11:46 |
| neuro | where i shall probably be buying one of these: http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/product_nutrition.chicken.871.mediterranean-chicken.html | 11:46 |
| shauno | my ex was a powerlifter. that seemed balmy enough. bodybuilding is basically the same regime, but with the addition of starvation and dehydration | 11:46 |
| mungbean | your ex was male or female? | 11:47 |
| mungbean | :S | 11:47 |
| shauno | female lol | 11:47 |
| arc__ | cool | 11:47 |
| mungbean | just checking. bit unusal for female..bit of a lifestyle choice that dominates, surely? | 11:47 |
| shauno | it was a contributing factor in the 'ex' bit, yeah | 11:48 |
| mungbean | my body shuts off after the 400g are eaten | 11:49 |
| arc__ | why | 11:51 |
| mungbean | because 2500 calories a day are normal to eat | 11:51 |
| mungbean | my stomach knows what a normal meal is | 11:51 |
| mungbean | ~or "has been trained to" | 11:52 |
| MartijnVdS | from someone I know: | 11:53 |
| MartijnVdS | > Going to need a moving company soon- Moving across London. Any recommendations? | 11:53 |
| arc__ | i have just converted my ogv to avi and not i have really bad lip sync | 11:53 |
| mungbean | my company were ok but i got burgled soon after so meh | 11:53 |
| arc__ | does youtube now support ogv files now ? | 11:54 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: I think that works, but mp4 might work better.. or webm | 11:57 |
| arc__ | hello | 11:58 |
| arc__ | it is a bit quite here now for some reason | 12:02 |
| MooDoo | arc__: always is at dinner :d | 12:06 |
| arc__ | lol | 12:06 |
| mungbean | think i managed 5/8 of the meal | 12:06 |
| arc__ | here is my crap vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqHynTb0yXE&feature=youtu.be | 12:07 |
| mungbean | is it of a cat installing ubuntu? | 12:07 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: it's that easy now? | 12:08 |
| arc__ | no it is a vid of installing adb tools | 12:08 |
| arc__ | lol | 12:08 |
| * mungbean prefers dogs anyway | 12:09 | |
| arc__ | you so harsh | 12:09 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: psh, cats > dogs | 12:09 |
| MartijnVdS | dogs are so needy | 12:09 |
| mungbean | friendly | 12:09 |
| mungbean | clever | 12:09 |
| mungbean | loyal | 12:09 |
| arc__ | my speaking in the vid | 12:09 |
| arc__ | wierd | 12:10 |
| diddledan | the majority of technical guys prefer cats according to a survey that I don't have a link to | 12:10 |
| arc__ | i have a choc lab | 12:10 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: are you Willy Wonka? | 12:10 |
| diddledan | mmm, choc | 12:10 |
| MartijnVdS | he had loads of choc labs | 12:10 |
| diddledan | tasty | 12:10 |
| arc__ | and his name is rolo | 12:11 |
| arc__ | lol | 12:11 |
| diddledan | he's got a gooey centre? | 12:11 |
| arc__ | yes i will see i can put on a pic of him | 12:11 |
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| mungbean | http://i.imgur.com/sKFLXuL.jpg | 12:12 |
| mungbean | my dog using the internet | 12:12 |
| arc__ | that is cute | 12:12 |
| diddledan | nawww, cute cute | 12:12 |
| mungbean | cats can't do this either | 12:14 |
| mungbean | http://i.imgur.com/S7R17il.jpg | 12:14 |
| diddledan | they can't get taken for a walk by a baby? | 12:15 |
| mungbean | mush mush...pull harder doggy | 12:15 |
| mungbean | she pretty much pulls the buggy up the street herself...jack russell power | 12:16 |
| arc__ | do you like to see windows fail | 12:17 |
| arc__ | then watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF0ETsgpxKc | 12:17 |
| mungbean | one of the self serve tills in tesco has had a BSOD for last 3 days | 12:17 |
| arc__ | at tesco's self serveice i found a £5 note alone in the money out slot | 12:18 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: if you don't touch it, it'll swallow it again and return it to the rightful owner | 12:19 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: 's account | 12:19 |
| mungbean | that was minw! | 12:19 |
| mungbean | ate too much food, need a sleep | 12:19 |
| arc__ | it won't i had to call over the tesco guy | 12:20 |
| arc__ | to find out who it belongs to | 12:20 |
| neuro | arc__: can i give you a couple of suggestions re video? | 12:22 |
| arc__ | yes plx | 12:22 |
| neuro | 1) write a script beforehand and follow it | 12:22 |
| neuro | 2) rehearse before recording | 12:22 |
| neuro | 3) buy a popguard | 12:22 |
| arc__ | what is a popguard | 12:22 |
| neuro | 4) learn the terminology of things i.e. ~ = tilde, not "wavy thing" ;) | 12:22 |
| neuro | google it if you don't know | 12:23 |
| shauno | I had to do that in Budapest. very awkward. lady at tesco gave me the wrong change, 100 HUF more than I should have got. so I went and queued again to give it back, and blah blah blah. later found out that 100 HUF is about 30 pence | 12:23 |
| neuro | the reason why i say script it and rehearse it | 12:23 |
| neuro | is to stop lots of pauses and dead air | 12:23 |
| arc__ | it is video for noob's and new people like me | 12:23 |
| arc__ | is there any good video editors for ubuntu | 12:23 |
| mungbean | take neuro's advice, it is v constructive (i haven't wtched the video as i'm at work) | 12:24 |
| mungbean | but its good general advice | 12:24 |
| neuro | i'm being honest here, not trying to slap you down or anything | 12:24 |
| arc__ | yeah thanz neuro | 12:24 |
| neuro | you've done more than i've ever done in terms of doing a video tutorial | 12:24 |
| arc__ | i needed the wake up call | 12:24 |
| arc__ | what ? | 12:24 |
| neuro | what? | 12:24 |
| marxjohnson | KDEnlive is a pretty good video editor on Ubuntu | 12:24 |
| neuro | yeah, do the screen recording | 12:26 |
| neuro | then edit it down | 12:26 |
| arc__ | how to install /download it | 12:26 |
| neuro | then lay a separately recorded commentary on top | 12:26 |
| marxjohnson | apt-get install kdenlive, or use Ubuntu Software Centre | 12:26 |
| marxjohnson | same with installing anything really :) | 12:26 |
| arc__ | see you in a bit | 12:26 |
| neuro | :) | 12:26 |
| mungbean | openshot has almost zero learning curve though | 12:27 |
| mungbean | like movie maker on windows | 12:27 |
| mungbean | (is ithat still around?) | 12:27 |
| neuro | blimeh, mcd's went a bit overboard on the peppers in this chicken thing | 12:27 |
| marxjohnson | I think so they did a kickstarter not long ago | 12:27 |
| mungbean | i mean windows MM | 12:27 |
| mungbean | :P | 12:27 |
| neuro | lol | 12:27 |
| marxjohnson | oh, yes and no | 12:27 |
| neuro | can imagine microsoft doing a kickstarter campaign | 12:28 |
| neuro | "we want to make a new microsoft phone, but we need your help" | 12:28 |
| neuro | "we think this target of $1.2bn is achievable" | 12:28 |
| mungbean | phone has been on 5.7m for ages | 12:28 |
| marxjohnson | There's a Windows MM in current versions of windows, but its called something like "Live Movie Maker" and they've removed the timeline to "simplify" it | 12:28 |
| neuro | "because we've pointed every windows vista, 7 and 8 install to autopledge \o/" | 12:28 |
| MartijnVdS | blender can edit videos | 12:28 |
| MartijnVdS | if you're feeling lucky :) | 12:28 |
| marxjohnson | so can dd :p | 12:29 |
| neuro | lol | 12:29 |
| MartijnVdS | marxjohnson: sure, but at least blender has a gui for it | 12:29 |
| mungbean | my theory is that anything above $700 kills the rate of purchases | 12:29 |
| marxjohnson | mungbean: seems to be | 12:29 |
| neuro | grep "7" foo.mkv > edited.mkv | 12:29 |
| neuro | or the community is just tapped out for now | 12:30 |
| neuro | the spikes are initial launch, and the new tiers | 12:30 |
| neuro | betcha there'll be another around the 30th-1tst | 12:30 |
| neuro | s/1tst/1st/ | 12:30 |
| neuro | pay days :) | 12:30 |
| marxjohnson | yeah, Canonical must have some marketing up their sleeves to keep the momentum. I dont think they have any illusions that this is a big goal to hit | 12:30 |
| MartijnVdS | tier or rush? | 12:31 |
| mungbean | not even 1/4 way yet | 12:31 |
| AlanBell | I hope it will go above the biggest ever kickstarter | 12:31 |
| Linux_guylol | Hi again | 12:31 |
| Linux_guylol | Using my phone now to irc | 12:31 |
| neuro | did pebble do more than veronica mars? | 12:31 |
| AlanBell | dunno, both were $10M ish I think | 12:31 |
| Linux_guylol | I am arc__ | 12:31 |
| neuro | I AM NEURO | 12:32 |
| DJones | Pebble was beaten recently by something | 12:32 |
| marxjohnson | I'm brian of nazareth and so's my wife | 12:32 |
| AlanBell | http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/most-funded | 12:32 |
| neuro | ah nice | 12:33 |
| Linux_guylol | I hate to change name because my pc took my normal name | 12:33 |
| neuro | ah pebble, $10.2m | 12:33 |
| neuro | ouya was $8.5m | 12:33 |
| MartijnVdS | oculus? | 12:34 |
| mungbean | what's the summary of the ouya situation? | 12:34 |
| directhex | edge would be #1 crowdsourced project | 12:34 |
| mungbean | the tldr version | 12:34 |
| MartijnVdS | oh, only 2.43M | 12:34 |
| neuro | $2.4m for oculus | 12:34 |
| marxjohnson | if it gets >$10.2m but doesn't reach it's goal, does that still count as a record breaker do you reckon? | 12:34 |
| directhex | pebble #3 | 12:34 |
| neuro | it might be the most pledged | 12:34 |
| directhex | #2 is star citizen | 12:34 |
| neuro | oh yeah | 12:36 |
| neuro | forgot about that | 12:36 |
| AlanBell | what is that? | 12:36 |
| neuro | chris roberts' new thing | 12:36 |
| neuro | basically wing commander but open world | 12:36 |
| Linux_guylol | Is good as fxs | 12:36 |
| AlanBell | marxjohnson: nope, but I am sure it will be claimed as such | 12:36 |
| neuro | indiegogo must be hoping it'll succeed too | 12:39 |
| AlanBell | it could raise the most promised crowd money evar, whilst also missing the target by the biggest margin evar - so it will be claimed by some as a success and others as a failure, like most canonical projects. | 12:39 |
| neuro | they'd stand to make $1.28m in commission if it gets funded | 12:39 |
| neuro | leaving $29.2m for phones | 12:39 |
| AlanBell | yup, if I was them I would be doing everything possible to get people talking about it | 12:39 |
| Linux_guylol | I'm eating a pot noodle | 12:40 |
| neuro | exactly | 12:40 |
| AlanBell | neuro: they are VAT inclusive apparently, so $6M or so to HMRC | 12:40 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/25/ubuntu-edge-cheaper-price-crowdfunding?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter | 12:40 |
| neuro | ooft | 12:40 |
| shauno | it feels like the ramping price would work against them though. take the natural fall-off and make it worse | 12:40 |
| mungbean | thats obscenely high commision | 12:40 |
| mungbean | i'm sure they put a ceiling on it | 12:40 |
| mungbean | during negotiations | 12:40 |
| AlanBell | doubt it | 12:41 |
| neuro | mungbean: if you run a flexible funding campaign, and you don't make your goal, the commission jumps to 9% | 12:41 |
| neuro | instead of 4% | 12:41 |
| mungbean | given teh possibility of going to the competition, then i'm sure a deal can/was brokered | 12:41 |
| neuro | kickstarter is trying to not be a shop | 12:42 |
| AlanBell | indeed, kickstarter wouldn't have it | 12:42 |
| mungbean | indiegogo has a silly name | 12:42 |
| neuro | says the guy called mungbean | 12:42 |
| marxjohnson | lol | 12:42 |
| AlanBell | you need a working prototype and not look too much like pre-orders for kickstarter | 12:42 |
| mungbean | *shock* | 12:42 |
| mungbean | mungbean isn't my real name, its mungo jerry | 12:43 |
| directhex | so... the Edge's battery | 12:43 |
| neuro | nonremovable | 12:43 |
| neuro | has pixie dust inside | 12:43 |
| directhex | featuring magical battery technology which nobody has actually finished inventing yet | 12:43 |
| MartijnVdS | directhex: The Edge runs on batteries? | 12:43 |
| Linux_guylol | Are you talking about the ubuntu edge | 12:43 |
| neuro | no | 12:43 |
| mungbean | nonremovable = showstopper for me | 12:44 |
| neuro | we're talking about U2's Edge | 12:44 |
| neuro | he runs on batteries | 12:44 |
| MartijnVdS | like the bunny from the battery commercials | 12:44 |
| neuro | 1024 AA batteris | 12:44 |
| Linux_guylol | Lol | 12:44 |
| neuro | and a couple of Ds to power his fingers | 12:44 |
| AlanBell | silicone annode or something | 12:44 |
| neuro | i think sabdfl might have made it up | 12:44 |
| neuro | also, sili*cone*? | 12:45 |
| AlanBell | hope it isn't too explodey, like other high energy density things sometimes are | 12:45 |
| directhex | AlanBell, silicon anode, at its current stage in development, is much more explodey | 12:45 |
| neuro | never a good term for a battery, "explodey" | 12:45 |
| Linux_guylol | Being a young engineer this is interesting | 12:45 |
| Linux_guylol | Cell=1 battery | 12:46 |
| directhex | AlanBell, although it's never been developed on a scale large enough to put in a phone. small proof-of-concept cells only | 12:46 |
| neuro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanowire_battery | 12:46 |
| neuro | good grief, why didn't they call it THAT in the description? | 12:46 |
| neuro | geeks would have gone nuts | 12:46 |
| neuro | "nanowire batteries? shut up and take my money!" | 12:47 |
| neuro | DOES IT HAVE BORG NANOPROBES LOL | 12:47 |
| ormiret | Linux_guylol: originally/technically a battery si a collection of connected cells but there are a loads of single cells that people call batteries now. | 12:47 |
| Linux_guylol | My engineering teacher tells me it is still called cell/cells | 12:48 |
| diddledan | ormiret: originally/technically a battery is a gun emplacement | 12:48 |
| mungbean | https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_7_16GB?id=nexus_7_16gb_2013 | 12:49 |
| MartijnVdS | Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet. | 12:49 |
| mungbean | anyone know if the old nexus7 are going cheeeap | 12:49 |
| shauno | go on, call them accumulators, you won't sound old all :p | 12:49 |
| neuro | eeeebaaaay | 12:49 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: if you can find a retailer.. | 12:49 |
| marxjohnson | I'm wondering if I should get a new one so I can use my old one to run Ubuntu Touch | 12:50 |
| neuro | you'll be waiting a while, it seems | 12:50 |
| neuro | just checked currys | 12:50 |
| neuro | "Order now. Availability: 13/09/2013" | 12:50 |
| diddledan | wait, google have a new nexus? | 12:50 |
| neuro | the old 16GB 7 is 149 quid "Save £50.99" | 12:50 |
| marxjohnson | Gah, dont know where I was looking earier, but it said tuesday | 12:51 |
| mungbean | did anyone read about the hordes of geeks complaining about their n7 going slow due to the SSD going bad slowly? | 12:51 |
| marxjohnson | nope :) | 12:51 |
| neuro | marxjohnson: could be just currys guessing | 12:51 |
| mungbean | http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/googles-new-nexus-7-tablet-yours-for-19999-8731519.html | 12:51 |
| mgdm | mungbean: I heard that about the N4 | 12:51 |
| mungbean | wireless charging | 12:51 |
| mungbean | Jellybean version 4.3, which will offer support for multi-users (meaning parents can create logins for children with restricted content) | 12:52 |
| neuro | amazon doing the old 16GB for 169 quid | 12:52 |
| Linux_guylol | On boxing day my bro got a arcos 80 colbalt for £59 | 12:52 |
| neuro | and they only have 10 left | 12:52 |
| mungbean | anything more than 119 is a rip | 12:52 |
| neuro | you think? | 12:52 |
| neuro | i think i paid 200 for mine | 12:52 |
| neuro | walked into tesco and bought one | 12:52 |
| mungbean | its a rip, now the the new one is announced, | 12:53 |
| neuro | but unavailable | 12:53 |
| mungbean | ok, when available | 12:53 |
| neuro | well it's not available yet, so we don't know what retailers will discount the old one to :) | 12:54 |
| neuro | ebuyer don't have any old 16GBs listed | 12:55 |
| neuro | they're doing the 32GB for 180 | 12:55 |
| neuro | new 16 and 32 listed for preorder, no availability date | 12:55 |
| neuro | 199.98 and 239.99 respectively | 12:56 |
| Linux_guylol | Get the xperia z tablet | 12:57 |
| dogmatic69 | anyone know how to make less scroll faster? | 13:00 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: use a faster terminal? :) | 13:01 |
| neuro | mash on the space button faster | 13:01 |
| dogmatic69 | MartijnVdS: :( | 13:02 |
| neuro | xperia z? | 13:02 |
| neuro | that *starts* at 400 quid! | 13:02 |
| dogmatic69 | just using terminator, its like 500ms between lines holding down return | 13:02 |
| mungbean | dogmatic69: --max-forw-scroll=n ? | 13:02 |
| neuro | why are you holding down return? | 13:03 |
| mungbean | oh, that sounds like slow disk/net | 13:03 |
| dogmatic69 | neuro: to scroll... | 13:03 |
| mungbean | space bar you numpty | 13:03 |
| neuro | space bar for hot page down action | 13:03 |
| dogmatic69 | that is 'page down' | 13:03 |
| dogmatic69 | I want fast line by line | 13:03 |
| neuro | cat | 13:03 |
| diddledan | I use the arra keys | 13:04 |
| mungbean | why? | 13:04 |
| mungbean | is it a large file? | 13:04 |
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| MartijnVdS | use 'cat' instead | 13:04 |
| dogmatic69 | not particularly | 13:04 |
| MartijnVdS | scrolls very fast, line by line | 13:04 |
| mungbean | alias cat=dog | 13:04 |
| dogmatic69 | actually its git diff | 13:04 |
| neuro | and use your scrollback | 13:04 |
| mungbean | use vim | 13:04 |
| mgdm | git diff | vim -R - | 13:05 |
| MartijnVdS | vim's diff mode = ++ | 13:05 |
| mgdm | would probably do it | 13:05 |
| dogmatic69 | mungbean: I did not ask for a new editor | 13:05 |
| neuro | lol | 13:05 |
| neuro | TWO EDITORS ENTER, ONE EDITOR LEAVES | 13:05 |
| mungbean | it's very old don't worry | 13:05 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: JOE vs EDLIN | 13:05 |
| neuro | hehe | 13:06 |
| Dave2 | ed, surely | 13:06 |
| neuro | cat << EOM > file | 13:06 |
| neuro | this will slowly descend into this: http://neuro.me.uk/blog/2009/03/22/the-four-ubuntu-yorkshiremen | 13:08 |
| neuro | i can tell | 13:08 |
| ormiret | M-x win-editor-wars | 13:09 |
| MooDoo | omg that's the best thing ever | 13:10 |
| Linux_guylol | Is there a way to change where the package install in ubuntu | 13:10 |
| neuro | you're welcome | 13:10 |
| marxjohnson | Linux_guylol: not really, apt deals with it for you | 13:12 |
| mungbean | it's generally a bad idea | 13:12 |
| mungbean | why do you want to do it? | 13:12 |
| neuro | no reason is good enough :) | 13:14 |
| marxjohnson | true, but if he's trying to achieve something specific there's probably a better way | 13:15 |
| Linux_guylol | Ok but I am running out of space in my ubuntu partition and I have a spare 13 tv partition | 13:15 |
| mungbean | i learned to ask why, in case no path is set,m or something simples | 13:15 |
| diddledan | lol @ the ubuntu yorkshiremen | 13:15 |
| mungbean | your ubuntu partition is / ? | 13:16 |
| neuro | i should try and write more stuff like that | 13:16 |
| mungbean | is /home part of that partition? | 13:16 |
| diddledan | thing is.. I could be one of those yorkshiremen ! :-p | 13:16 |
| diddledan | only .. like .. not yorkshireish | 13:17 |
| neuro | boot into live cd or whatever, mount / partition, mount new partition on /mnt, move stuff to /mnt, edit fstab appropriately, reboot | 13:17 |
| neuro | dangerous as hell, but doable | 13:17 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: "yorkie"? | 13:17 |
| Linux_guylol | /Dev/sda2 | 13:17 |
| marxjohnson | or if you've used LVM, just add the spare partition to the logical volume | 13:17 |
| neuro | you're out of your element, Donnie | 13:17 |
| marxjohnson | and expand the filesystem | 13:17 |
| marxjohnson | although /dev/sda2 suggest you havent used LVM | 13:18 |
| mungbean | usually if /home isn't separate i'd receommend it as a future project anyway.. | 13:18 |
| neuro | i nfs mount /home from one of my NASes ;) | 13:18 |
| Linux_guylol | I'm not in ubuntu at the moment | 13:19 |
| neuro | root@saratoga:~# df -h /home | 13:19 |
| neuro | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on | 13:19 |
| neuro | cargobay1:/data 5.5T 3.2T 2.3T 59% /data/cargobays/1 | 13:19 |
| marxjohnson | Linux_guylol: how well do you understand partitioning and filesystems? | 13:20 |
| Linux_guylol | Well put it this way I have just made the move to ubuntu and I am a noob at everthing | 13:21 |
| marxjohnson | Ok, do you have anything on Ubuntu that you'd be upset about losing? | 13:21 |
| Linux_guylol | My whole web setup | 13:22 |
| Linux_guylol | Adb | 13:22 |
| marxjohnson | "web setup" as in internet connection and browsers, or web development? | 13:23 |
| Linux_guylol | No auto correction I mean adb setup | 13:24 |
| marxjohnson | aha | 13:24 |
| mungbean | if it's all in /home | 13:25 |
| mungbean | but /home is in / | 13:25 |
| neuro | i would tread very carefully here | 13:25 |
| Linux_guylol | Current 23 gb | 13:25 |
| mungbean | then you could create a separate /data and do ln -s /data /home/stuff | 13:25 |
| marxjohnson | that sounds like a good workaround for a newbie | 13:26 |
| Linux_guylol | Oh ok | 13:26 |
| neuro | danger! | 13:26 |
| mungbean | high voltage! | 13:26 |
| mungbean | achtung! | 13:26 |
| neuro | when we touch! | 13:27 |
| mungbean | when we kiss! | 13:27 |
| Linux_guylol | What | 13:27 |
| mungbean | eww | 13:27 |
| marxjohnson | gives you more space without you risking what you've got. I'd suggest really reading up on partitioning before you go messing with it though | 13:27 |
| neuro | *guitar riff* | 13:27 |
| neuro | yes | 13:27 |
| neuro | what marxjohnson said | 13:27 |
| marxjohnson | I blew away my parent's whole hard drive first time I tried partitioning | 13:27 |
| marxjohnson | and I was *sure* I knew what I was doing | 13:27 |
| neuro | :) | 13:27 |
| neuro | we've all done that | 13:27 |
| neuro | i'm sure | 13:27 |
| mungbean | at home i share my mp3s and vides with wifey so store them all on /data/video /data/mp3 etc | 13:28 |
| mungbean | and symlink into homedir for each user | 13:28 |
| Linux_guylol | I messed around with gparted so | 13:28 |
| neuro | why symlink? | 13:28 |
| mungbean | then we run picasa and have a joined up library | 13:28 |
| neuro | smb? | 13:28 |
| mungbean | all on the same machine | 13:29 |
| neuro | i try not to understand other people's file storage conventions | 13:29 |
| neuro | mine are equally mental, but equally sane to me | 13:29 |
| marxjohnson | ,].] | 13:29 |
| Linux_guylol | Cool | 13:29 |
| neuro | i use /data everywhere but mount stuff on top | 13:30 |
| neuro | be it local disk, nfs, fuse, whatever | 13:30 |
| diddledan | /data = websites for me | 13:30 |
| neuro | so /data/home /data/media /data/backups etc | 13:30 |
| neuro | /data/web :) | 13:30 |
| Linux_guylol | Randomly deleting stuff in gparted is my thing | 13:30 |
| MartijnVdS | /srv/sitename for me | 13:30 |
| neuro | you freaky UNIX person you | 13:31 |
| diddledan | /data/sitename/htdocs | 13:31 |
| Linux_guylol | Lol | 13:31 |
| mungbean | if you haven't lost data with a partinioning cockup then you haven't lived | 13:31 |
| diddledan | then I have other stuff in /data/sitename like "project" and deploy.sh which contain the git repo and a script to overlay the git onto wordpress in htdocs | 13:32 |
| neuro | i've lost data to RAID cockups | 13:32 |
| mungbean | funnily it was using windows XP diskpart that i cocked up | 13:32 |
| neuro | 5TB across 6 USB drives :P | 13:32 |
| neuro | NEVAR AGAIN | 13:32 |
| neuro | hence, the NASes | 13:32 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/five-disk-floppy-raid-4mb-of-blistering-fast-storage/ ? | 13:32 |
| neuro | ha | 13:32 |
| marxjohnson | RAID across USB drives? that's brave :) | 13:32 |
| diddledan | lmao | 13:32 |
| Linux_guylol | I somehow ended up deleting my laptop recovery partition | 13:32 |
| neuro | marxjohnson: doing it just fine now | 13:33 |
| neuro | 2x1TB in RAID1 | 13:33 |
| mungbean | if you delete a partition you can recreate it and the data is still there | 13:33 |
| neuro | but 6x1TB in RAID6 was a bit too funky | 13:33 |
| mungbean | if you don't format anything | 13:33 |
| diddledan | thing a lot of folk miss about raid is that it doesn't excuse lack of backups | 13:33 |
| marxjohnson | neuro: I imagine it was | 13:33 |
| neuro | absolutely | 13:33 |
| Linux_guylol | Yeah just 2x40 gb | 13:33 |
| Linux_guylol | HDDs | 13:34 |
| neuro | looking forward to getting faster broadband for my parentals | 13:34 |
| neuro | proper offsite backup \o/ | 13:34 |
| Linux_guylol | I have git vergin media fibre top package | 13:35 |
| neuro | ew | 13:35 |
| neuro | Virgin "We Love Traffic Management, We Do" Media | 13:36 |
| Linux_guylol | Yes ! | 13:36 |
| Linux_guylol | What :) | 13:36 |
| MartijnVdS | Oh they're calling the pron filter "traffic management" now? | 13:36 |
| neuro | um, no | 13:36 |
| Linux_guylol | Nooooooooooooo | 13:36 |
| Linux_guylol | Lol | 13:36 |
| marxjohnson | I've got virgin ADSL which is pretty much the same price as the cable I was on before I moved. It's a joke (hence why I'm moving) | 13:37 |
| neuro | if you dl over X amount of data in time period Y (dependent on what package you're on), you get throttled to about 25% of your published speed | 13:37 |
| neuro | marxjohnson: virgin national, eeeeew, unlucky | 13:37 |
| neuro | all of the cost, none of the benefits | 13:37 |
| marxjohnson | yeah, I was in an 18 month contract and moved after 12 | 13:37 |
| marxjohnson | so had to stick with them | 13:37 |
| neuro | :( | 13:37 |
| marxjohnson | but that's over now :) | 13:37 |
| neuro | :) | 13:37 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: wow.. data caps on wired internet | 13:37 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: haven't had those in .nl for.. 10 years now? | 13:38 |
| Linux_guylol | It is the best 100mbs | 13:38 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: shush :) | 13:38 |
| neuro | it's really not | 13:38 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: ever since we got rid of dialup :) | 13:38 |
| neuro | i don't want 100Mbps that can be throttled | 13:38 |
| Linux_guylol | It is | 13:38 |
| neuro | so i have 2x 80Mbps that won't be throttled | 13:38 |
| neuro | or shaped | 13:38 |
| Linux_guylol | It isnt | 13:38 |
| neuro | or "managed" | 13:38 |
| Linux_guylol | Fast torrent downloads | 13:39 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: yeah I download loads I've only ever hit the limit testing Psychonauts of four different desktops apparently 4x4.2gb is enough to trigger it :) | 13:39 |
| neuro | Virgin Media XXL100 | 13:39 |
| neuro | When does it apply? 4PM-11PM | 13:39 |
| neuro | 1 Hour threshold: 4500MB | 13:40 |
| neuro | 1 Hour reduced speed: 70Mbps (-30%) | 13:40 |
| mungbean | discovered that a large blob of blue tac is a very good tress toy | 13:40 |
| neuro | 2 Hour threshold: 5750MB | 13:40 |
| mungbean | stress | 13:40 |
| davmor2 | neuro: cause all the school kids are home and nail the network | 13:40 |
| mungbean | never going with Vmedia again | 13:40 |
| neuro | 2 Hour reduced speed: 60Mbps (-40%) | 13:40 |
| Linux_guylol | Just got to have the right stuff | 13:40 |
| mungbean | they overprovision and screw you | 13:40 |
| neuro | Linux_guylol: i appreciate you're on a phone right now, but ... http://my.virginmedia.com/traffic-management/traffic-management-policy-thresholds.html | 13:40 |
| neuro | their traffic management policies are public and apply to all speeds, except maybe 300Mbps | 13:41 |
| neuro | applies from 11am-11pm at weekends too | 13:41 |
| Linux_guylol | Slowly loading | 13:42 |
| Linux_guylol | Come on my dad is a telephone engineer so he knows the best | 13:42 |
| neuro | oh, and they throttle p2p and nntp | 13:43 |
| neuro | lol wat | 13:43 |
| neuro | has your dad ever worked for an ISP? | 13:43 |
| neuro | are you really going to tell someone who *has* worked for an ISP, and who has just given you the public traffic management policies for your provider, that your provider doesn't do traffic management? | 13:44 |
| Linux_guylol | No :/ | 13:44 |
| directhex | i just use bt infinity. because internets! | 13:44 |
| Linux_guylol | I don't think | 13:44 |
| dogmatic69 | infinity ftw | 13:44 |
| diddledan | BT ftl | 13:45 |
| Linux_guylol | Is it any good fir torrents | 13:46 |
| marxjohnson | *sigh* | 13:46 |
| directhex | i have no idea | 13:46 |
| directhex | most of my monthly traffic is steam downloads | 13:46 |
| mungbean | i don't think i've ever torrented anything except linux isos | 13:46 |
| Linux_guylol | Ok | 13:47 |
| neuro | ok, i'll be the scapegoat | 13:47 |
| neuro | yes, bt infinity works peachy with torrents | 13:47 |
| Linux_guylol | Cool | 13:48 |
| * neuro wonders what his usage was this month | 13:48 | |
| directhex | i normally do about 250G a month | 13:49 |
| marxjohnson | I've not literally no idea how much I use, might start tracking that | 13:49 |
| Linux_guylol | Wow that is a lot | 13:49 |
| mungbean | my traffic is just created by me hitting refresh on indiegogo | 13:49 |
| marxjohnson | got* | 13:49 |
| directhex | How does this compare | 13:49 |
| directhex | Your average monthly usage is | 13:49 |
| directhex | 236.65 GB | 13:49 |
| directhex | Your usage for this month is 213.8 GB | 13:50 |
| directhex | 145.33 GB downloaded | 13:50 |
| directhex | 68.47 GB uploaded | 13:50 |
| neuro | "Your usage for this month is 405.1 GB (337.76 GB downloaded 67.34 GB uploaded)" | 13:50 |
| neuro | "How does this compare: Your average monthly usage is 1003.69 GB" | 13:50 |
| Linux_guylol | What do you upload | 13:51 |
| diddledan | 200GB is my cap and I keep just inside it by being frugal. if I wasn't going to get charged for going over I'd download much more | 13:51 |
| diddledan | 200GB is barely enough | 13:51 |
| neuro | what do i upload? none of your business :) | 13:51 |
| davmor2 | neuro: light weight this month then | 13:52 |
| neuro | aye | 13:52 |
| Linux_guylol | Lol | 13:52 |
| directhex | neuro clearly does naked webcam sessions. big bandwidth user | 13:52 |
| diddledan | sweet, what's the url? | 13:52 |
| diddledan | wait, I mean /msg neuro | 13:53 |
| diddledan | :-p | 13:53 |
| Linux_guylol | Listen to daft punk tron legacy drezzed | 13:53 |
| neuro | according to my pfsense stats, my sky connection has downloaded 245GB in the last 30 days (2.65Mbps 95th %ile), BT 451.71GB (5.42Mbps) and aggregate IPv6 traffic is 48.5GB | 13:53 |
| neuro | Linux_guylol: i did. when it came out. ages ago. | 13:54 |
| neuro | :) | 13:54 |
| Linux_guylol | Aggressive download time | 13:54 |
| neuro | diddledan: shhh, you know you're one of my top subscribers! | 13:54 |
| mungbean | weird pic http://imgur.com/PmmDw5q | 13:54 |
| neuro | Linux_guylol: not really | 13:55 |
| neuro | my record on my sky line alone is about 950GB in a month | 13:55 |
| Linux_guylol | For me a phone downloading random linux is it is | 13:55 |
| neuro | i think i did 20-30 gig on Three one month, ages ago | 13:56 |
| neuro | wifi tether ftw | 13:56 |
| mungbean | is this mainly watching programmes/films? | 13:56 |
| mungbean | i don't watch that much telly | 13:56 |
| neuro | all sorts of shenanigans | 13:56 |
| * mungbean still does the book thing | 13:56 | |
| Linux_guylol | Lol | 13:56 |
| neuro | media, backups, work stuff ... | 13:57 |
| mungbean | i carry a disk to work and upload to glacier from there :P | 13:57 |
| mungbean | 1GB internet ftw | 13:57 |
| neuro | 9 times out of 10 if i listen to an album in itunes on this mac, it's coming off itunes match, so there's 60-200 meg right there | 13:57 |
| Linux_guylol | Just downloding utorrent for leaga activitys | 13:57 |
| neuro | yeah yeah | 13:58 |
| Linux_guylol | Lol ducks | 13:58 |
| neuro | torrent over 3g = fail | 13:58 |
| Linux_guylol | 3 grams ? | 13:59 |
| neuro | um, ok | 14:00 |
| marxjohnson | "3 grams of internet please, shopkeep" | 14:00 |
| neuro | that'll be 3 and sixpence pleaes | 14:00 |
| neuro | INTERNET, SEVENTIES STYLE | 14:01 |
| Linux_guylol | Lol | 14:01 |
| Linux_guylol | Ubuntu | 14:01 |
| neuro | "Look, 1200 baud!!! ZOMG!" | 14:01 |
| * neuro remembers when BT Kilostream lines were teh awesome | 14:02 | |
| * marxjohnson doesnt | 14:02 | |
| marxjohnson | first modem was 56k | 14:02 |
| neuro | ran a webserver over it :) | 14:02 |
| marxjohnson | i dont know I'm born | 14:02 |
| neuro | nope | 14:02 |
| * neuro is old, apparently | 14:03 | |
| Linux_guylol | Whydoes 3 block torrent sites | 14:03 |
| neuro | haha | 14:03 |
| neuro | because they have a business model to maintain | 14:03 |
| diddledan | because the BPI told them to | 14:03 |
| MooDoo | same with virgin | 14:03 |
| neuro | also, bittorrent + CGNAT = bad things | 14:03 |
| Linux_guylol | Dank business model | 14:03 |
| Linux_guylol | I mean damm | 14:04 |
| diddledan | I've never understood CGNAT | 14:04 |
| neuro | it's evil | 14:04 |
| diddledan | indeed | 14:04 |
| neuro | BT are talking about using it for light use customers | 14:04 |
| diddledan | it just doesn't seem to compute to me | 14:04 |
| Linux_guylol | What is it | 14:04 |
| neuro | it makes sense in a way, especially in the face of v4 exhaustion | 14:04 |
| neuro | Carrier Grade NAT, google it | 14:05 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ IPv6 | 14:05 |
| diddledan | erm.. ipv6 has been available now since 2000? | 14:05 |
| neuro | ha | 14:05 |
| neuro | tho BT are also talking about starting a v6 rollout this year | 14:05 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: a lot of my home traffic is v6 | 14:05 |
| neuro | virgin occasionally make noises about it | 14:05 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: Dutch news sites are mostly v6 capable | 14:05 |
| Linux_guylol | I will imagine it | 14:05 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: government sites too, Google, Youtube, Facebook as ewll | 14:05 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: oh shush, mister I Live In An Enlightened Society, Telecoms-wise | 14:05 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: we don't have 4g though | 14:06 |
| neuro | awww | 14:06 |
| mungbean | whether we have ipc6 is a bit irrelevant , innit? | 14:06 |
| neuro | a lot of us don't have 4g here either :) | 14:06 |
| neuro | mungbean: depends on your point of view | 14:06 |
| mungbean | customer | 14:06 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: ipv6 is VERY useful to have | 14:06 |
| neuro | again, depends | 14:06 |
| neuro | there are different types of customer | 14:06 |
| Linux_guylol | Bring back dial up and viruses | 14:06 |
| neuro | um, no | 14:06 |
| MartijnVdS | IPv6 makes life of the protocol designer easier | 14:07 |
| neuro | makes the life of the router easier too | 14:07 |
| MartijnVdS | The reason video-conference protocols suck is NAT | 14:07 |
| neuro | no need to worry about NAT | 14:07 |
| neuro | and VPNs | 14:07 |
| neuro | and gaming | 14:07 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah | 14:07 |
| neuro | no more "oh you need to open ports blah blah and blah to Get Stuff Done" | 14:07 |
| diddledan | basically NAT is and always was a second-class solution looking for a problem | 14:07 |
| neuro | well, the problem was always a clear one | 14:08 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: well, you might need to open ports to a specific host -- home routers will block incoming traffic by default | 14:08 |
| neuro | v4 exhaustion | 14:08 |
| diddledan | usually the problem was one that it created :-p | 14:08 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: it'll become a *firewall* instead of a NAT gateway | 14:08 |
| neuro | well yeah | 14:08 |
| neuro | but you just talk back over the egress port | 14:08 |
| mungbean | i have a load of unused public ipc4 addreses | 14:08 |
| neuro | tut tut | 14:08 |
| Linux_guylol | I don't understand any of this :() | 14:08 |
| mungbean | coupla class Cs at least | 14:08 |
| neuro | REALLY? | 14:09 |
| neuro | i mean, hang on | 14:09 |
| mungbean | yep | 14:09 |
| neuro | let me first chide you for saying "class C" | 14:09 |
| neuro | but really?! | 14:09 |
| MartijnVdS | /24s | 14:09 |
| diddledan | how much? | 14:09 |
| diddledan | (money) | 14:09 |
| diddledan | :-p | 14:09 |
| neuro | HOW MUCH FOR ZE WOMEN! | 14:09 |
| mungbean | i don't own them personally but i have about 8 /24 under my control | 14:09 |
| mungbean | only using half of them | 14:09 |
| diddledan | aah | 14:09 |
| mungbean | i can spin up my own services etc on them tho | 14:10 |
| neuro | good grief, sir :) | 14:10 |
| neuro | all those starving internet connections and you're hoarding! | 14:10 |
| diddledan | I think at work we've got a few /28s | 14:10 |
| mungbean | ibm , sun and MS prob own millinos | 14:10 |
| neuro | don't get me started on that lot | 14:10 |
| neuro | "oh hai, we has /8s, want some? TOUGH!" | 14:10 |
| mungbean | lots of JANET institutions have a couple of /16s each uni | 14:11 |
| neuro | to be fair, they do get used | 14:11 |
| Linux_guylol | Who likes star wars | 14:11 |
| mungbean | they had silly rules about not NATing though | 14:11 |
| neuro | makes things easier to manage | 14:11 |
| marxjohnson | oi, nothing wrong with JANET institions ;) | 14:11 |
| neuro | lol | 14:11 |
| mungbean | the not nat'ing is silly | 14:11 |
| neuro | NATing is silly, if you can prevent it | 14:11 |
| Linux_guylol | Lol | 14:11 |
| mungbean | bunch of hpc nodes? | 14:11 |
| neuro | i mean look at it this way | 14:12 |
| neuro | there's no way apple are using an entire /8 | 14:12 |
| mungbean | every desktop user getting their own public IP? craziness | 14:12 |
| mgdm | my Uni had a /16 | 14:12 |
| neuro | what's wrong with that? | 14:12 |
| neuro | as long as the firewall(s) is(are) protecting them | 14:12 |
| mgdm | every computer on the campus had a 'real' IP (though firewalled) | 14:12 |
| Linux_guylol | What way backwards ? | 14:12 |
| neuro | mgdm: gla? strath? | 14:12 |
| neuro | not gcal? :) | 14:12 |
| mungbean | i came from private -> public secotr so i'm trained to NAT | 14:13 |
| neuro | i've never worked for the public sector, at least not directly | 14:13 |
| mungbean | do you want to? | 14:13 |
| mgdm | neuro: HW | 14:13 |
| neuro | nope | 14:13 |
| mungbean | i haz lots of jobs | 14:13 |
| neuro | mgdm: ohhhh | 14:13 |
| neuro | was contracted out to NHS, SEPA, Scottish Office, Essex County Council on occasion as a consultant | 14:14 |
| neuro | yeeeeeears ago | 14:14 |
| Linux_guylol | Im hireing for minimum wage | 14:14 |
| neuro | good luck with that | 14:14 |
| neuro | mgdm: think i went to hw once, can't remember why | 14:14 |
| neuro | might have been picking up a printer off someone or some other such madness | 14:15 |
| diddledan | the co that I work for does websites on behalf of several public sector bodies | 14:15 |
| neuro | or giving someone a lift | 14:15 |
| Linux_guylol | You get a free t-shirt | 14:15 |
| neuro | very hazy | 14:15 |
| diddledan | we've got an evil setup in terms of servers tho | 14:16 |
| diddledan | any sane person would cry | 14:16 |
| diddledan | though thankfully it's all automated via a somewhat clunky perl script | 14:16 |
| mungbean | Linux_guylol: wher u live? | 14:16 |
| Linux_guylol | The dark side of servers of the galaxy | 14:16 |
| Linux_guylol | Coventry | 14:17 |
| neuro | Linux_guylol: do you know what a minimum wage costs for a year? | 14:17 |
| neuro | over 10 grand | 14:18 |
| mungbean | double | 14:18 |
| Linux_guylol | Oh sh** | 14:18 |
| neuro | not including what an employer has to pay out in NI contributions | 14:18 |
| Linux_guylol | N | 14:19 |
| Linux_guylol | Oooooo | 14:19 |
| Linux_guylol | Coventry is the best in the uk | 14:19 |
| neuro | for what? | 14:20 |
| Linux_guylol | I am joining the first Lego league | 14:20 |
| Linux_guylol | For being awesome | 14:20 |
| neuro | http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m69a1g5C0u1rvzw0uo1_500.gif | 14:21 |
| diddledan | wow, the fundraiser has seriously slowed down now the 625$ is sold out | 14:21 |
| neuro | to be expected, really | 14:21 |
| Linux_guylol | Stupid gif | 14:22 |
| neuro | http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/117/129/NOU.gif#no%20u%20gif%20240x232 | 14:22 |
| diddledan | stupid gifs have more knowledge than you might think | 14:22 |
| mungbean | people probably holding on to wait for a better deal | 14:22 |
| mungbean | big money vs bigger money | 14:23 |
| diddledan | that second gif is freakily 3d | 14:23 |
| Linux_guylol | And the best money is 1p | 14:23 |
| diddledan | gotta love the invasion of the body snatchers tho | 14:24 |
| neuro | :) | 14:24 |
| neuro | OOOOOOOWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH | 14:24 |
| neuro | *point* | 14:24 |
| Linux_guylol | 1 | 14:24 |
| Linux_guylol | I'm 14 | 14:25 |
| neuro | ok | 14:25 |
| neuro | and? | 14:25 |
| marxjohnson | well done | 14:25 |
| Linux_guylol | Yay | 14:25 |
| neuro | http://media.tumblr.com/772a9c560f0864c4d89414541ae835ef/tumblr_inline_mpl48vJTUP1qz4rgp.gif | 14:25 |
| Linux_guylol | Lol | 14:26 |
| diddledan | precocious little brat | 14:26 |
| Linux_guylol | :) | 14:26 |
| neuro | i was over at my folks on sunday | 14:27 |
| neuro | return of the jedi was on | 14:27 |
| diddledan | \o/ | 14:27 |
| neuro | and i pointed out to my mum what one of the most egregious lucas tweaks was | 14:27 |
| neuro | i.e. douchebag anakin appearing at the end rather than redeemed old anakin | 14:27 |
| neuro | and i expected her not to understand | 14:27 |
| neuro | but she totally got it | 14:27 |
| neuro | "but luke has never seen young anakin" | 14:27 |
| neuro | "YES, EXACTLY!" | 14:27 |
| diddledan | wait, they did what?! | 14:27 |
| Linux_guylol | The ubuntu kid | 14:28 |
| neuro | you haven't seen the archive editions of ROTJ? | 14:28 |
| diddledan | lucas sucks doorknobs | 14:28 |
| Linux_guylol | Why did George sell it to disney | 14:28 |
| neuro | when the DVDs got reissued in 2004, they made more tweaks | 14:28 |
| neuro | that was one of them | 14:28 |
| diddledan | ergh | 14:28 |
| diddledan | I've not seen the more recent variations | 14:29 |
| neuro | Linux_guylol: because he owned Lucasfilm outright | 14:29 |
| mungbean | arning: rpc.idmapd appears not to be running. All uids will be mapped to the nobody uid. | 14:29 |
| neuro | so he got a ton of cash and a ton of disney shares | 14:29 |
| mungbean | guys, any ideas?!?!? | 14:29 |
| neuro | diddledan: there's more in the blurays | 14:29 |
| mungbean | on a prod server and getting this error | 14:29 |
| diddledan | aparently han solo is a good guy now and shoots only after he's been shot at | 14:29 |
| mungbean | rpcidmap IS running | 14:29 |
| neuro | diddledan: when vader picks up the emperor at the end? | 14:29 |
| neuro | they put in another NOOOOOOOOO | 14:29 |
| diddledan | mungbean: what error? | 14:30 |
| Linux_guylol | No I mean duany is going to runi the awesomebus of it | 14:30 |
| neuro | diddledan: if you want your childhood to be further messed with ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGxnOnaQyGo | 14:30 |
| neuro | Linux_guylol: how so? | 14:31 |
| Linux_guylol | See what Russell Howard said about it | 14:33 |
| neuro | diddledan: and here's the revised RotJ ending: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkDO2UxX4Lo&t=3m20s | 14:33 |
| neuro | old vs new | 14:33 |
| mungbean | warning: rpc.idmapd appears not to be running. All uids will be mapped to the nobody uid. | 14:34 |
| mungbean | ^^ that errpr | 14:34 |
| Linux_guylol | I dunon I just make errors | 14:35 |
| Linux_guylol | ") | 14:36 |
| neuro | mungbean: service idmapd restart ? | 14:37 |
| Linux_guylol | What is uid | 14:38 |
| neuro | if you have to ask ... | 14:38 |
| neuro | ;) | 14:38 |
| neuro | it's the user id for your login | 14:38 |
| Linux_guylol | Ok | 14:43 |
| Linux_guylol | I wI'll back on pc to help in 1 mib | 14:43 |
| arc__ | i am back | 14:46 |
| arc__ | Linux_guylol:How are you | 14:48 |
| Linux_guylol | Hi arc you are the best | 14:49 |
| neuro | eternal september ... | 14:52 |
| mungbean | http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=5579 | 14:53 |
| mungbean | stupid bug | 14:53 |
| arc__ | lol | 14:54 |
| mungbean | not sure if fixed in later or not | 14:54 |
| arc__ | how to do get ad's on your youtube video | 14:55 |
| neuro | go to your video manager and monetise it | 14:56 |
| neuro | you need to be registered to do that | 14:56 |
| arc__ | ok | 14:56 |
| mungbean | and viewers | 14:56 |
| mungbean | :P | 14:56 |
| neuro | well yeah :) | 14:57 |
| mungbean | i need to make a new video | 14:57 |
| mungbean | but only have a old digicam with firewire and digital tape, or my phone | 14:57 |
| arc__ | what is your guys channels | 14:57 |
| neuro | guess | 14:57 |
| arc__ | neuro is the best | 14:58 |
| arc__ | but arc is better | 14:58 |
| mungbean | twiglets and curry | 14:58 |
| neuro | ec2 security groups!!! | 14:59 |
| neuro | aaaaahhh gargle gargle blaaaaaah | 14:59 |
| arc__ | damm you liars i so gullible | 15:00 |
| arc__ | damm i don't have a credit card | 15:00 |
| arc__ | so what is it really | 15:00 |
| neuro | wat? | 15:00 |
| arc__ | your youtube channels | 15:01 |
| neuro | <- | 15:01 |
| * neuro descends further into hell | 15:01 | |
| neuro | $ uname -a | 15:01 |
| neuro | CYGWIN_NT-5.2 ip-0A3097D9 1.7.22(0.268/5/3) 2013-07-22 17:06 i686 Cygwin | 15:01 |
| arc__ | which is it then https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=neuro&filters=channel&lclk=channel | 15:01 |
| arc__ | we should all do a skype or a team view | 15:02 |
| arc__ | on ubuntu | 15:02 |
| Linux_guylol | Yes we should | 15:03 |
| arc__ | have you seen what #ubuntu are talking out | 15:04 |
| neuro | seriously, look at any of those channels in the search | 15:04 |
| neuro | which one do you think is mine? | 15:04 |
| arc__ | the third one | 15:04 |
| neuro | have a cookie | 15:05 |
| arc__ | yay | 15:05 |
| arc__ | i will sub you | 15:05 |
| arc__ | if you sub me | 15:05 |
| arc__ | X98_Hacker | 15:05 |
| * marxjohnson sighs | 15:05 | |
| arc__ | *sighs | 15:06 |
| arc__ | damm | 15:06 |
| marxjohnson | What value is there in someone subscribing to your channel for any reason other than them being genuinely interested in it? | 15:06 |
| AlanBell | it has e-peen value | 15:07 |
| arc__ | because i sub them it is the way of youtube | 15:07 |
| marxjohnson | AlanBell: right you are | 15:08 |
| neuro | i subscribe to stuff on youtube because i'm interested in what is being uploaded | 15:08 |
| neuro | if i'm not interested, i don't subscribe | 15:08 |
| arc__ | damm | 15:08 |
| neuro | i have 65 subscriptions right now | 15:09 |
| arc__ | i will work up through the ranks then i will make my day view | 15:09 |
| neuro | almost all of them set to only show uploads (rather than show uploads, likes, faves, etc) | 15:09 |
| arc__ | how do i finf my video profile | 15:10 |
| arc__ | (find) | 15:10 |
| marxjohnson | Have I ended up in #youtube by mistake? | 15:10 |
| neuro | https://support.google.com/youtube/?hl=en-GB | 15:10 |
| neuro | seems so | 15:10 |
| arc__ | yes you have | 15:10 |
| arc__ | no i mean in ubuntu | 15:10 |
| arc__ | the program kendlive is asknig | 15:11 |
| neuro | jeez | 15:11 |
| neuro | see that little downward arrow beside your avatar at the top right of youtube? | 15:11 |
| neuro | click it | 15:11 |
| arc__ | no in ubuntu not youtube | 15:12 |
| * neuro gives up | 15:12 | |
| marxjohnson | My mistake, I'm in #kdenlive | 15:12 |
| * neuro closes youtube tab before clickyclicky syndrome kicks in | 15:12 | |
| neuro | marxjohnson: polymorphic irc | 15:13 |
| arc__ | http://snag.gy/cOFBh.jpg | 15:13 |
| neuro | hello Nimesh | 15:14 |
| arc__ | damm !!!!! | 15:14 |
| arc__ | i'm off the grid so you can't find me on the web | 15:15 |
| marxjohnson | Seriously, if you need KDEnlive support, they have their own channels. You might get lucky here, but it's really for Ubuntu discussion. | 15:15 |
| arc__ | any way back to the problem at hand | 15:15 |
| neuro | yeah, ubuntu discussion | 15:15 |
| neuro | and twiglets | 15:15 |
| arc__ | it is on ubuntu thought isn't it | 15:15 |
| arc__ | so it is relevent | 15:15 |
| neuro | http://nimesh-game-stuff.webs.com/apps/profile/42994194/ | 15:16 |
| marxjohnson | arguable, but you're more likely to get someone who can help you if you ask in the right place | 15:16 |
| arc__ | i have done it | 15:16 |
| AlanBell | looks like there is a reddit AMA thing a bit later around the Ubuntu Edge topic | 15:16 |
| neuro | ooh | 15:16 |
| ormiret | arc__: which profile you want to use depends on the video you want to edit. | 15:16 |
| marxjohnson | ooh! | 15:16 |
| neuro | who's doing the answering? | 15:16 |
| AlanBell | sabdfl | 15:17 |
| neuro | noice | 15:17 |
| AlanBell | Mark Shuttleworth | 15:17 |
| arc__ | neuro: my real name is abdi hghtht | 15:17 |
| AlanBell | no link for the reddit thing yet, but it is announced here http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity | 15:17 |
| AlanBell | reddit puzzles me | 15:18 |
| neuro | http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1j0zn9/mark_shuttleworth_reddit_ama_today_at_1230_ny/ | 15:18 |
| neuro | yeah, i should use it more | 15:18 |
| neuro | especially since i pay for the bloody thing | 15:18 |
| AlanBell | it is a very web 1.0 kind of discussion board | 15:18 |
| arc__ | http://redd.it/1j0zn9 | 15:19 |
| neuro | arc__: welcome to 2 minutes ago | 15:19 |
| arc__ | why all of you so harsh to me :( | 15:19 |
| AlanBell | yup, but that isn't it. That is a comment on reddit about the future thread that there will be in another bit of reddit later | 15:19 |
| neuro | i'm not! | 15:19 |
| neuro | this is just gentle banter | 15:19 |
| arc__ | in indochine i got beatern up but this is just ! | 15:20 |
| AlanBell | no eggs today :( http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/video | 15:20 |
| arc__ | indochine is a real place it was a french conaliy between india and china | 15:21 |
| neuro | ok, now i'm properly confused | 15:21 |
| arc__ | https://sites.google.com/site/x98hacker/ | 15:22 |
| arc__ | click the link at the botterm | 15:23 |
| arc__ | accept the access | 15:24 |
| neuro | um, no | 15:24 |
| arc__ | http://snag.gy/FD2bD.jpg | 15:24 |
| arc__ | it willv send you a email it was the basic google script | 15:25 |
| arc__ | it does no harm it is my website | 15:25 |
| neuro | suuuuuuuure | 15:26 |
| marxjohnson | hahaha | 15:26 |
| arc__ | IT have checked at school | 15:26 |
| marxjohnson | that's OK then | 15:26 |
| neuro | do you want my gmail password too? | 15:26 |
| neuro | how about one of my ssh keys? | 15:26 |
| arc__ | look i will post another screen shot | 15:26 |
| neuro | i could say something else, but it's a quote from a movie and it's rude, so i won't | 15:27 |
| diddledan | screenshots don't prove anything | 15:27 |
| Linux_guylol | My pc has crashed | 15:27 |
| * neuro whistles quietly | 15:27 | |
| diddledan | ok, so you're nonchalant. quit rubbing our noses in it already | 15:28 |
| AlanBell | arc__: what is the point of this exercise in trying to get us to execute this script? | 15:28 |
| Linux_guylol | Neuro hacker | 15:28 |
| * neuro throws his jacket over his shoulder and flicks his hair back | 15:28 | |
| neuro | Linux_guylol: wat? | 15:28 |
| Linux_guylol | I want to see if it works | 15:29 |
| arc__ | do it | 15:29 |
| neuro | you just accused me of being a "hacker" | 15:29 |
| neuro | excuse me if i ignore everything else you say in here | 15:30 |
| Linux_guylol | Plz | 15:30 |
| Linux_guylol | Sorry just a joke didn't mean to offend | 15:30 |
| neuro | 60 minutes to go | 15:31 |
| neuro | i wonder if sabdfl will answer questions about the tiers | 15:31 |
| Linux_guylol | I'm so sirr | 15:31 |
| mungbean | hacker = programmer | 15:32 |
| neuro | hence, the quotes :) | 15:32 |
| neuro | i knew what the insinuation was | 15:32 |
| Linux_guylol | I dont want to be the bad guy | 15:32 |
| mungbean | is everyone a bit drunk already | 15:33 |
| neuro | i had a mcd's smoothie earlier, i might be in the middle of a sugar crash | 15:33 |
| arc__ | hey sorry for that | 15:37 |
| arc__ | hacker are really cool like white hat hackers | 15:38 |
| mungbean | #omgubuntu is that way :P | 15:39 |
| SuperGeorge | actually, it's #omg!ubuntu! | 15:39 |
| SuperGeorge | I've given away the secret | 15:39 |
| mungbean | i used to go there :P | 15:39 |
| SuperGeorge | oops | 15:39 |
| mungbean | then it went below 40 users and i left | 15:40 |
| SuperGeorge | no one talks in there anyway | 15:40 |
| mungbean | they used to 3 yrs ago | 15:40 |
| mgdm | still a terrible name </opinion> :P | 15:40 |
| SuperGeorge | yeah, but some people were being idiots | 15:40 |
| SuperGeorge | d0od agrees, but it's too late to do much about it | 15:40 |
| mungbean | let that be a lesson | 15:40 |
| neuro | :) | 15:41 |
| SuperGeorge | could go through a massive rebranding | 15:41 |
| mungbean | not worth it | 15:41 |
| mgdm | By Jove, Ubuntu! | 15:41 |
| mgdm | or something | 15:41 |
| arc__ | have i been a bit too stupid | 15:41 |
| mungbean | egads, ubuntu | 15:41 |
| neuro | erk, thunder outside | 15:41 |
| mungbean | huzzah ubuntu | 15:41 |
| diddledan | ooh, eck, ubuntu! | 15:41 |
| neuro | mgdm: you hearing same? | 15:41 |
| neuro | ee by gum ubuntu! | 15:42 |
| Linux_guylol | Lol | 15:42 |
| mgdm | neuro: aye, seeing it, and quite close too | 15:42 |
| diddledan | get your UPSen ready | 15:42 |
| neuro | may have to start singing the thunder buddy song | 15:42 |
| arc__ | Ted | 15:42 |
| mgdm | neuro: seen http://www.blitzortung.org/ ? | 15:42 |
| neuro | wow cool | 15:42 |
| mgdm | neuro: click the EUMETSAT overlay button, it's pretty cool | 15:43 |
| neuro | ohhhhhhh | 15:43 |
| neuro | wx pron! | 15:43 |
| mgdm | indeed ;) | 15:43 |
| mgdm | it's all community-based, there's a kit you can get and built, and feed data in | 15:43 |
| mgdm | Elwell has one | 15:43 |
| neuro | why does that not surprise me | 15:44 |
| mgdm | :) | 15:44 |
| arc__ | porn ? | 15:44 |
| arc__ | oh pron | 15:44 |
| mungbean | did that redtape guy change his name? | 15:45 |
| neuro | i bet he has an ADS-B receiver as well | 15:45 |
| neuro | good q, dunno :) | 15:46 |
| mgdm | and AIS, and weather fax, and... :) | 15:46 |
| SuperGeorge | I changed mine | 15:46 |
| SuperGeorge | for obvious reasons | 15:46 |
| neuro | no-one has used or said that nick since the 13th | 15:47 |
| mungbean | i wanted the name Jimothy | 15:47 |
| === mungbean is now known as jimothy | ||
| jimothy | hello | 15:47 |
| neuro | hello! | 15:47 |
| neuro | it's like you're part James, part Timothy! | 15:47 |
| neuro | but all ubuntu user :) | 15:48 |
| jimothy | how do i setup an alias to my real nick? | 15:49 |
| mgdm | jimothy: /msg nickserv help group | 15:49 |
| neuro | that's the bunny | 15:49 |
| neuro | technically i'm reg'd with nickserv as neuro_ but added neuro once it got freed up | 15:49 |
| === jimothy is now known as mungbean | ||
| diddledan | who do I have to flirt with/at to get an ubuntu cloak? | 15:51 |
| arc__ | can you install thing in ubuntu on debien | 15:51 |
| mgdm | diddledan: become a member | 15:51 |
| mungbean | thanks mgdm | 15:52 |
| mungbean | why jimothy wasn't already taken is a surprise | 15:52 |
| mungbean | :D | 15:52 |
| Linux_guylol | You guys are cool and awsome | 15:53 |
| mungbean | i know | 15:53 |
| diddledan | except shauno who happens to be God | 15:53 |
| AlanBell | !member | diddledan | 15:57 |
| lubotu3 | diddledan: Ubuntu Membership means recognition of a significant and sustained contribution to Ubuntu and the Ubuntu community. For more info see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership | 15:57 |
| AlanBell | you can get an unaffiliated cloak if you ask in #freenode | 15:57 |
| diddledan | aah, I guess I'm a long way off "consistent and sustained" | 15:57 |
| diddledan | as for "contribution".. erm.. yeah, look over there, a pig flying! *ducks* | 15:58 |
| Laney | muhahaha | 16:03 |
| Linux_guylol | Ducks are the best | 16:09 |
| === joshmyers is now known as bubu | ||
| AlanBell | chickens are the best | 16:12 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: for food or for companionship? | 16:13 |
| Linux_guylol | No yellow ducks | 16:13 |
| Linux_guylol | Chinese duck yum | 16:14 |
| brobostigon | and noc chicken abuse. | 16:14 |
| brobostigon | no* | 16:14 |
| AlanBell | http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/video Linux_guylol | 16:15 |
| Azelphur | Is there any way to give a user permission to set a processes niceness / ionice? | 16:15 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: there is | 16:17 |
| Azelphur | cool, hows that work? :) | 16:17 |
| diddledan | Azelphur: nice -n 19 command | 16:17 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: it can be done using capabilities | 16:17 |
| diddledan | that works as my normal user | 16:17 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: 19 is lower priority, I want higher priority, higher priority by default can't be achieved without sudo, hense the question. :) | 16:17 |
| SuperGeorge | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbq1fRbkOAE&feature=youtu.be | 16:17 |
| diddledan | aah | 16:17 |
| Linux_guylol | Alan_bell:I hace no account | 16:18 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: man 7 capabilities | 16:18 |
| Azelphur | righto, ty | 16:18 |
| MartijnVdS | CAP_SYS_NICE | 16:18 |
| MartijnVdS | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7635515/how-to-set-cap-sys-nice-capability-to-a-linux-user | 16:18 |
| diddledan | it's convoluted then | 16:20 |
| Azelphur | indeed :P | 16:20 |
| diddledan | become root first then drop everything you're not going to use | 16:20 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: you can set capabilities on a binary | 16:20 |
| Azelphur | and you can't reload limits.conf without a reboot :< | 16:20 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: yes, just log out | 16:20 |
| Azelphur | oh, you can | 16:20 |
| Azelphur | fun | 16:21 |
| diddledan | I usually just spawn a new login shell in my terminal if I'm in the middle of something | 16:21 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/E2Tvifbz no dice? | 16:22 |
| diddledan | sudo -u sameusername -i | 16:22 |
| Azelphur | diddledan: that's a fresh ssh session | 16:22 |
| diddledan | that works for group membership, I'm not so sure about limits | 16:22 |
| diddledan | not ssh | 16:22 |
| MartijnVdS | it works for users as well | 16:22 |
| MartijnVdS | but | 16:22 |
| Azelphur | also my srcds account has no sudo access, for obvious reasons ;) | 16:22 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: does /etc/pam.d/* contain pam_limits? | 16:23 |
| diddledan | use su then | 16:23 |
| MartijnVdS | sshd does that | 16:23 |
| diddledan | and type your password | 16:23 |
| MartijnVdS | it's disabled for su by default | 16:23 |
| AlanBell | http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1j166z/hi_im_mark_shuttleworth_founder_of_ubuntu/ | 16:23 |
| Azelphur | azelphur@azelphur:/etc/pam.d$ find . | grep -i pam_limits | 16:23 |
| Azelphur | yields nothing | 16:23 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: weird.. | 16:23 |
| Azelphur | this is debian btw | 16:23 |
| MartijnVdS | http://wiki.debian.org/Limits | 16:24 |
| neuro | SuperGeorge: gotta love Brandon Routh :) | 16:25 |
| * neuro giggles | 16:27 | |
| SuperGeorge | do you though? :P | 16:27 |
| neuro | sabdfl's photo proof for the ama was taken by an iphone ... | 16:27 |
| diddledan | I can't figure out how to drive reddit | 16:27 |
| diddledan | having never been there before it looks weird | 16:27 |
| neuro | it's just a big ass threaded forum | 16:27 |
| AlanBell | web 1.0 style | 16:27 |
| Linux_guylol | Lol | 16:28 |
| MartijnVdS | I never remember who other people on there are | 16:28 |
| MartijnVdS | actually | 16:28 |
| MartijnVdS | I don't notice who's writing the posts | 16:28 |
| AlanBell | you have to refresh all the time and it is utterly confusing | 16:28 |
| diddledan | how do I find the "answers" to this AMA? | 16:28 |
| AlanBell | there are none yet | 16:28 |
| AlanBell | you have to keep refreshing and searching as far as I can tell | 16:29 |
| neuro | hmm, just under 600k raised so far today | 16:29 |
| diddledan | it's just fanbois yelling "yeah, that's a good question" or answering their own answers instead of letting mark do the answering | 16:29 |
| neuro | which is below the 43k an hour avg they need to get to 32m | 16:29 |
| neuro | diddledan: it hasn't started yet | 16:29 |
| neuro | sabdfl will start answering posts after 17:30 | 16:29 |
| neuro | or his assistant will ;) | 16:30 |
| diddledan | meelions and meelions of dollars | 16:30 |
| MartijnVdS | bazillions? | 16:38 |
| neuro | gajillions | 16:40 |
| MartijnVdS | brazilians? | 16:40 |
| diddledan | pervert! | 16:40 |
| AlanBell | neuro: he normally types his own stuff | 16:41 |
| neuro | i was kidding ;) | 16:42 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: normally, yes :P | 16:42 |
| christel | using his toes even! | 16:42 |
| MartijnVdS | christel: he's Supersabdfl now? | 16:43 |
| * christel nods | 16:44 | |
| * MartijnVdS hugs his 21:9 screen again | 16:49 | |
| Azelphur | 21:9? what resolution is that? | 16:54 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: 2560x1080 | 16:54 |
| Azelphur | ah, cool :) | 16:54 |
| MartijnVdS | 70cm wide | 16:54 |
| Azelphur | MartijnVdS: have you seen the korean monitors? I got those | 16:55 |
| Azelphur | 2560x1440 | 16:55 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: I have a Dell | 16:55 |
| Azelphur | yea, the Dell will probably have better image quality | 16:55 |
| Azelphur | although these aren't bad, I think they are reject apple panels | 16:55 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: it came with a calibration report | 16:56 |
| Azelphur | nice :) | 16:56 |
| MartijnVdS | guaranteeing sRGB is within several % of "real" sRGB | 16:56 |
| marxjohnson | hah, from the AmA: "We're hoping to blaze a trail with silicon anode batteries. Hopefully, that is the only blaze involved" | 17:04 |
| HoT|2fC^ | hey :) I have installed Ubuntu Server 13.04.4 LTS 32bit on my server, when I start it up on boot I get on my 17inch LCD screen "Out of Range" | 17:13 |
| HoT|2fC^ | and "No Input Signal" | 17:13 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Is this GRUB problem? or BIOS? its on a HP DL380 G3 "Old Hardware" server. | 17:14 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: the screen shows that? | 17:15 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: have you tried waiting a bit, see if it clears up? | 17:15 |
| HoT|2fC^ | MartijnVdS: Yeah | 17:15 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Yeah it says after Out of Range... No Input Signal. | 17:15 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: what kind of graphics card is in there? do you know? | 17:15 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I get nothing I have to power down the Server. | 17:15 |
| HoT|2fC^ | ATI intergrated. | 17:16 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Is it telling it the wrong res or something? | 17:16 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: yeah, I think it's detecting a resolution your screen can't handle | 17:16 |
| MartijnVdS | and then using that unusable setting | 17:16 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Oh crapp | 17:16 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: try booting with "vga=normal nomodeset" kernel command line options | 17:16 |
| HoT|2fC^ | ok ok, so id need to edit it ? | 17:16 |
| MartijnVdS | you can add those in grub | 17:16 |
| HoT|2fC^ | ah ok I see | 17:17 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer#How_to_disable_the_framebuffer describes all | 17:17 |
| * HoT|2fC^ writes down on paper "vga=normal nomodeset" keynel command line options on boot disc. | 17:17 | |
| === naderp is now known as s | ||
| HoT|2fC^ | MartijnVdS: Thanks man. | 17:17 |
| === s is now known as oberluz | ||
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: doesn't have to be on boot disk, works on the installed system/grub as well | 17:18 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Yes but I don't see the GRUB :/ | 17:18 |
| HoT|2fC^ | This is my point lol. | 17:18 |
| naderp | erluz | 17:18 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I get the Out of Range / No Input Signal right away | 17:18 |
| === naderp is now known as oberluz | ||
| HoT|2fC^ | :/ | 17:19 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: do you have another screen you can try? | 17:19 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Yeah but its busted same 17inch LCD @ 75Hz | 17:19 |
| === naderp is now known as oberluz | ||
| HoT|2fC^ | naderp get ping! | 17:20 |
| HoT|2fC^ | :) | 17:20 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: did you install sshd during installation? | 17:20 |
| HoT|2fC^ | wth | 17:20 |
| HoT|2fC^ | ermm no :( it asked me a bunch of stuff | 17:20 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I hit DNS dunno why | 17:20 |
| HoT|2fC^ | just confused me that part of the installation.. :\ | 17:20 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: only select the things you actually need.. but DO install an ssh server | 17:20 |
| HoT|2fC^ | :o | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: because then, you can ssh in an fix stuff :) | 17:21 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I must reinstall it then | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | sorry | 17:21 |
| HoT|2fC^ | yes very true | 17:21 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I was going to install SSH | 17:21 |
| HoT|2fC^ | but hit DNS \o/ | 17:21 |
| HoT|2fC^ | so when I get that message again an my screen goes out of range how do I ssh then haah.. | 17:21 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: after reinstall, yes | 17:22 |
| MartijnVdS | you ssh in from another machine | 17:22 |
| HoT|2fC^ | noway! lol haha well that will fail | 17:23 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Its connected to the internet but how will I ssh from here on my pc? | 17:23 |
| HoT|2fC^ | leave it on the out of range session ? an go to my PC | 17:23 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I dont get it :) | 17:23 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: figure out the machine's IP address | 17:24 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: (usually from the router/dhcp server) | 17:24 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: then just "ssh host", or on Windows, use putty and select "ssh" and type the IP address | 17:24 |
| HoT|2fC^ | so checky my router no for ip history or IPs that on my network. | 17:24 |
| HoT|2fC^ | ah ok ok | 17:24 |
| ^2fC | hey | 18:00 |
| ^2fC | exit | 18:01 |
| DJones | !rootirc | HoT|2fC^ I know you've disconnected your other connection, but | 18:04 |
| lubotu3 | HoT|2fC^ I know you've disconnected your other connection, but: It's not technically our business, but we'd like to tell you that IRC'ing as root is a Very Bad Idea (tm). After all, doing anything as root when root is not needed is bad, and especially bad with software that connects to the Internet. | 18:04 |
| Linux_guylol | Hello guys | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | hi Linux_guylol | 18:25 |
| Linux_guylol | Hi MartijnVds | 18:26 |
| * AlanBell cracks open a Dark Roast | 18:35 | |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ | 18:35 |
| === SuperGeorge is now known as SuperMatt | ||
| AlanBell | https://twitter.com/alanbell_libsol/status/360470187566321664 | 18:42 |
| MartijnVdS | AlanBell: it's quite dark really ;) | 18:44 |
| AlanBell | it is | 18:44 |
| AlanBell | very nice indeed | 18:44 |
| MartijnVdS | oh wow, the Edge passed 6M | 18:47 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| AlanBell | looks like Mark did fine on the reddit thing | 19:01 |
| arc__ | hi guys agin | 19:01 |
| arc__ | hi guys again | 19:01 |
| AlanBell | I read a fair few of the replies then got bored of clicking for more comments and trying to find out which ones were new | 19:01 |
| arc__ | spelling | 19:01 |
| arc__ | AlanBell:Hi | 19:03 |
| diddledan | the FSF are raining on the edge parade: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/will-ubuntu-edge-commit-to-using-only-free-software | 19:04 |
| directhex | the fsf's job is to rain on parades | 19:04 |
| AlanBell | they are serial parade rainers | 19:04 |
| directhex | it's all they do | 19:04 |
| directhex | mostly free software parades | 19:04 |
| directhex | fsf approval is typically a kiss of death | 19:04 |
| arc__ | can you get team viewer for ubuntu | 19:05 |
| * AlanBell wonders what team viewer is | 19:05 | |
| directhex | i assume it's for viewing teams | 19:06 |
| arc__ | i found it for ubuntu | 19:06 |
| arc__ | team viewer is for collaborations or for mass group chat | 19:07 |
| MartijnVdS | like google hangouts? | 19:08 |
| arc__ | but with screen capture | 19:08 |
| MartijnVdS | google hangouts do that now | 19:08 |
| arc__ | also how can i install .deb with out opening the ubuntu sc | 19:08 |
| MartijnVdS | (part of a) screen sharing | 19:08 |
| arc__ | yeah | 19:08 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: dpkg -i, possibly followed by "apt-get -f install" if the .deb has dependencies you don't have installed yet | 19:09 |
| arc__ | ok | 19:09 |
| MartijnVdS | but be warned: if you download a deb manually, there's no signature check | 19:09 |
| MartijnVdS | so you don't know if the package was modified before you install it | 19:10 |
| MartijnVdS | so it could contain malware! | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | or kittens | 19:10 |
| arc__ | i got it stright from the website | 19:10 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: that's no guarantee | 19:10 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: package archives are signed for a reason | 19:10 |
| AlanBell | from the interwebs!! | 19:10 |
| arc__ | yes it is :) | 19:10 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: no it's not.. is it https or http? do you know the certificating party? do you know the webserver isn't compromised? | 19:11 |
| arc__ | oh snap i have a virus | 19:11 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: with package signing, if the web site is compromised, they _can't_ put a bad package on there, because they can't generate the matching signature | 19:11 |
| AlanBell | heh | 19:11 |
| MartijnVdS | well they can put the package on there, but apt detects badness | 19:12 |
| arc__ | we should all do one | 19:12 |
| diddledan | no, you "do one" :-p | 19:12 |
| diddledan | that's not a nice thing to tell somebody | 19:13 |
| MartijnVdS | just trying to warn you about the dangers of the internet | 19:13 |
| MartijnVdS | it's not yet filtered you know | 19:13 |
| diddledan | soon will be here in britain | 19:14 |
| arc__ | oh my gosh i am controling my laptop with my phone | 19:14 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: poor you | 19:15 |
| diddledan | it'll be fine, I'll just click the "I'm a pervert" button | 19:16 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: I need to go to a Vodafone store for that, as I don't have a UK CC to add to my UK Vodafone account | 19:16 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: and they only let you do it online if you have a CC on your account | 19:17 |
| diddledan | hmm | 19:17 |
| arc__ | guy plz get team viewer so we can screen share plz | 19:18 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: uh.. no. You wanted team viewer to share your screen with (probably) someone you know.. | 19:18 |
| arc__ | you guy are the ubuntu community you are all right | 19:19 |
| arc__ | join 147 404 641 | 19:21 |
| diddledan | WHEEEEE | 19:21 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: unlikely | 19:21 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ Android 4.3 @ phone | 19:22 |
| arc__ | come on it will be harmless fun | 19:22 |
| diddledan | it's all harmless fun until the next day when the police turn up to tell you she's only 14 | 19:22 |
| MartijnVdS | arc__: I don't think the regulars in here are likely to install a random deb from a random internet site | 19:23 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: But she swore she was 12! | 19:23 |
| diddledan | lol | 19:23 |
| arc__ | then get it from the ubuntu softwere centre | 19:23 |
| MartijnVdS | no | 19:23 |
| arc__ | oh man | 19:24 |
| arc__ | it has gone quite here | 19:29 |
| HoT|2fC^ | MartijnVdS I edited my Grub an removed the # and added 1024x768 as res an I typed sudo update-grub and rebooted | 19:29 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: does that work? | 19:29 |
| HoT|2fC^ | still no luck :\ unless grub did not restart properly | 19:30 |
| HoT|2fC^ | nope. | 19:30 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: because that page specifically says to add the "nomodeset" line | 19:30 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: so you *should* probably have followed that | 19:30 |
| HoT|2fC^ | nope never added that one :( | 19:30 |
| HoT|2fC^ | ohh my every time I boot I cant see anything to do with grub it just says Out of range :( | 19:31 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I was in that TTY :\ | 19:31 |
| HoT|2fC^ | black screen with my name etc.. | 19:31 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: the page I linked describes how to disable the framebuffer | 19:31 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I install irssi as root an said hey and left root :o | 19:31 |
| MartijnVdS | should ALSO describe how to make grub work | 19:31 |
| HoT|2fC^ | so is it just my res? | 19:32 |
| HoT|2fC^ | what link :> | 19:32 |
| HoT|2fC^ | above? | 19:32 |
| MartijnVdS | 19:17 < MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: | 19:32 |
| MartijnVdS | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer#How_to_disable_the_framebuffer describes all | 19:32 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: this might also help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/161297/why-does-my-screen-blank-out-for-the-duration-of-the-grub-boot-menu | 19:33 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Thats the one :) | 19:34 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I was trying that Ctrl>Alt>F1 and Ctrl>Alt>F2 | 19:35 |
| HoT|2fC^ | So Ctrl>Alt>T is to be hit when it says No input singal? | 19:36 |
| MartijnVdS | no | 19:36 |
| MartijnVdS | you ssh to the machine once the drive light stops blinking like mad | 19:37 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I cant do that ssh stuff :D | 19:37 |
| diddledan | note: wait until the drive light starts blinking like mad before you wait for the blinking to stop | 19:37 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: you can, if you installed sshd | 19:38 |
| HoT|2fC^ | yeah but to hard for me :( | 19:38 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: nah, just try it :) | 19:38 |
| HoT|2fC^ | yeah but its to much messing around :( | 19:39 |
| HoT|2fC^ | if I was to just put desktop 13.04 on would it work ? | 19:39 |
| HoT|2fC^ | instead of this server one | 19:39 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: then get a monitor that returns its supported resolutions properly | 19:39 |
| HoT|2fC^ | it works on my PC ? | 19:40 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: probably not, because it's your screen that's saying "I can do X x Y pixels @ Z refresh rate!" while it can't | 19:40 |
| HoT|2fC^ | :o | 19:40 |
| HoT|2fC^ | so once I have sshd installed how do I get into it ? | 19:41 |
| HoT|2fC^ | from the server | 19:41 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: you do "ssh your_username@ip.of.your.machine" | 19:41 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: or similar using putty (if you're running windows) | 19:41 |
| HoT|2fC^ | ah ok | 19:41 |
| neuro | here's a point for you | 19:42 |
| neuro | if you install desktop | 19:42 |
| * HoT|2fC^ pulls his hair out.. | 19:42 | |
| HoT|2fC^ | neuro yeah go on.. :) | 19:42 |
| neuro | X will use up memory that you could have kept for your game server | 19:43 |
| neuro | this is why you install the server version on servrs | 19:43 |
| HoT|2fC^ | true :) | 19:43 |
| neuro | you could disable X but that's just as annoying as what you're having to do right now | 19:43 |
| neuro | get stuff sorted now and it'll pay dividends down the line | 19:43 |
| neuro | you're doing what sysadmins do aaaaaaaaall the time | 19:43 |
| HoT|2fC^ | true :) | 19:43 |
| diddledan | not least in educating you on some triage techniques | 19:44 |
| neuro | :) | 19:44 |
| HoT|2fC^ | :} | 19:44 |
| HoT|2fC^ | so when I install ubuntu server it asks me about the core on the system an I should select what I want to install | 19:44 |
| diddledan | btw, we've hit 6meelions | 19:44 |
| HoT|2fC^ | so I would do SSH yes? | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: *\o/* | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: you install Ubuntu Server, and in one of the last screens, you select "SSH Server" or "OpenSSH Server" (I forget which one is on there, there is only one) | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: it has other options, like "LAMP server" etc, but you can keep those disabled | 19:45 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Yeah asks that to | 19:46 |
| MartijnVdS | that's the same screen :) | 19:46 |
| HoT|2fC^ | So once I have installed that, does it ask to configure it ? | 19:46 |
| MartijnVdS | ssh doesn't require configuration by default | 19:46 |
| MartijnVdS | all you need to do is figure out the IP of the machine, then you can "ssh" to it, using the username&password you created during installation | 19:46 |
| HoT|2fC^ | ok thanks I will give it ago :o | 19:47 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Why is ubuntu forum down? | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: that's explained on the page you see when you go there | 19:49 |
| HoT|2fC^ | :o | 19:51 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I just go off it all the time :) | 19:51 |
| AlanBell | anyone know if there is an awesome touchpad competing with the apple magic touchpad that works with Ubuntu? | 20:22 |
| mgdm | the magic touchpad works with ubuntu, I've never seen any others though | 20:25 |
| mgdm | it works, but the sensitivity for all the gestures is not set up right | 20:26 |
| AlanBell | http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/mac-trackpad that looks interesting | 20:31 |
| mgdm | why not the Apple one? Or just because it's Apple? | 20:32 |
| AlanBell | I am considering the apple one | 20:33 |
| AlanBell | but I heard it wasn't quite right | 20:33 |
| mgdm | It's not quite right in that the configuration for the gesture stuff isn't quite there, but I suspect that will be true of most touchpads | 20:34 |
| AlanBell | I am surprised there are not more to select from | 20:36 |
| AlanBell | given the diversity of mouse options | 20:36 |
| mgdm | give it a couple of years, i'm sure there will be | 20:37 |
| * neuro hugs his magic trackpad | 20:56 | |
| diddledan | time for bed | 20:56 |
| neuro | at 10pm? | 20:57 |
| neuro | blimeh | 20:57 |
| neuro | you have more willpower than me :) | 20:57 |
| diddledan | lol | 20:57 |
| diddledan | actually, it's that I don't have the willpower in the morning | 20:57 |
| neuro | i know that feeling | 20:57 |
| neuro | i have six separate alarms on my phone that go off to wake me up | 20:58 |
| diddledan | youch | 20:58 |
| neuro | four from an alarm clock app and two from the iphone's built in alarm | 20:58 |
| diddledan | I need an alarm that won't turn off until I've left the home :-p | 20:59 |
| neuro | i had this waking me up at one point | 20:59 |
| neuro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7tdyj8LgoY | 20:59 |
| neuro | after 15 seconds it goes from weird ambient noise to annoying | 21:00 |
| neuro | after 35 seconds it goes into full on WAAAAAH mode | 21:01 |
| linux-guy | Hi again it's nimesh | 21:01 |
| linux-guy | Aka arc__ | 21:01 |
| diddledan | isn't there supposed to be a rule over changing your nickname randomly? | 21:01 |
| linux-guy | My phone says that my normal nickname is taken | 21:02 |
| linux-guy | So | 21:02 |
| linux-guy | I dunno | 21:03 |
| linux-guy | Late night ubuntu time | 21:03 |
| neuro | i forgot how epic this track was | 21:03 |
| neuro | anyone walking past my door will get freaked out | 21:03 |
| diddledan | I've still got it playing too | 21:04 |
| linux-guy | Why | 21:04 |
| neuro | :) | 21:04 |
| neuro | Richard James FTW | 21:04 |
| mgdm | Oh, I might have known it was him | 21:04 |
| neuro | aye | 21:04 |
| linux-guy | Oh ok | 21:04 |
| neuro | it's like listening to an aphex twin track while having your face smashed in by a sledgehammer | 21:05 |
| linux-guy | Lol | 21:05 |
| mgdm | I can see the resemblance | 21:05 |
| neuro | it's brilliant | 21:05 |
| neuro | 6 minutes of earmash | 21:05 |
| neuro | good driving music too ;) | 21:06 |
| neuro | as long as you're not driving | 21:06 |
| diddledan | damn, it finished | 21:06 |
| neuro | otherwise speeeeeding tiiiiiiickeeeeet | 21:06 |
| diddledan | I need it to carry on! | 21:06 |
| linux-guy | Cool | 21:06 |
| neuro | someone needs to do one of those 10 hour youtube remixes | 21:06 |
| diddledan | it's like heroin for your ears | 21:06 |
| neuro | but in a good way :) | 21:06 |
| diddledan | yeah | 21:06 |
| neuro | actually let me find the youtube video where i first found the track | 21:07 |
| diddledan | makes the ol' heartbeat a bit faster | 21:07 |
| linux-guy | You do it then | 21:07 |
| linux-guy | Make the vid | 21:07 |
| neuro | got it | 21:07 |
| neuro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naIWWNxF1DQ | 21:07 |
| neuro | this guy did an epic epic dogfight video | 21:07 |
| neuro | blended live action with MS Flight Sim footage | 21:07 |
| neuro | music suits it to a tee | 21:07 |
| * mgdm puts on something a little less brutal | 21:08 | |
| linux-guy | Rank youtube fc | 21:08 |
| neuro | the pause and then the drop after the jets merge is immense | 21:08 |
| linux-guy | Damm you auto correction | 21:08 |
| neuro | mgdm: you should watch that second vid | 21:08 |
| mgdm | neuro: mungbean: was in Hobbycraft earlier. Damn near bought a pile of Airfix. :D | 21:09 |
| neuro | :) | 21:09 |
| mgdm | (I'll be back at the weekend maybe after PAYDAY) | 21:09 |
| neuro | sadly i gave up with models years ago | 21:09 |
| neuro | i really should get Flaming Cliffs 3 though | 21:09 |
| mgdm | heh, love the 'bullet time' thing | 21:10 |
| neuro | :) | 21:10 |
| * mgdm looks at MadHacker's blu ray copy of the Matrix, sitting to his left | 21:10 | |
| neuro | i watched that last week, randomly | 21:10 |
| linux-guy | Matrix is awesome | 21:11 |
| neuro | was tempted to do reloaded as well but then came to my senses | 21:11 |
| mgdm | hehe | 21:11 |
| linux-guy | Why not watch reloaded | 21:12 |
| neuro | got a few movies stacked up to watch at some point | 21:12 |
| neuro | watched fast and furious 6 the other night | 21:12 |
| neuro | ho boy | 21:12 |
| neuro | had to disengage brain *a lot* for that one | 21:13 |
| linux-guy | Pacific rim is good to see | 21:13 |
| mgdm | last film I saw in the cinema was.... Despicable Me 2 \o/ | 21:15 |
| neuro | BANANA! | 21:15 |
| neuro | last one i saw was the hobbit | 21:15 |
| mgdm | Though I did get a blu ray set of the original crew Star Trek films the other day | 21:15 |
| neuro | gah | 21:16 |
| mgdm | So now I have two BD copies of TWoK, but as far as I'm concerned you can't have too many of those | 21:16 |
| neuro | bloody things | 21:16 |
| neuro | :) | 21:16 |
| neuro | i just wish there had been some foresight with the directors edition of TMp | 21:16 |
| neuro | there will never be an HD version without redoing it all over again | 21:16 |
| linux-guy | I hate star trek | 21:17 |
| neuro | Foundation Imaging did all the CG in standard def :( | 21:17 |
| neuro | so the HD remasters for blu ray were of the theatrical release | 21:17 |
| linux-guy | Star wars for the win | 21:18 |
| neuro | not sure if TWoK BD is theatrical or special edition | 21:18 |
| neuro | mgdm: i bet if you're anything like me you have a ton of copies of blade runner ;) | 21:18 |
| mgdm | I have one, actually | 21:19 |
| neuro | bah | 21:19 |
| neuro | i've lost count | 21:19 |
| linux-guy | New X-Men film coming out wolverine | 21:19 |
| mgdm | the 'ultimate final ever cut' or some such | 21:19 |
| neuro | vhs theatrical, dvd directors cut, dvd final cut box set, hd-dvd final cut, bd final cut ... | 21:20 |
| mgdm | the DVD final cut | 21:20 |
| mgdm | which cost me £3 in Tesco | 21:20 |
| mgdm | \o/ | 21:20 |
| neuro | wow | 21:20 |
| neuro | i went hunting for the tin box set when it came out | 21:20 |
| neuro | ended up in a blockbuster in bailleston just as they were closing | 21:21 |
| neuro | saw it in a cinema in san francisco the next week tho \o/ | 21:22 |
| mgdm | nice | 21:23 |
| mgdm | I saw TWoK in the GFT, though I think it was a DVD :-) | 21:23 |
| neuro | embarcadero center if i remember correctly | 21:23 |
| neuro | was amzing to finally see it in a movie theatre | 21:23 |
| neuro | wat? :) | 21:23 |
| mgdm | the GFT had it on last year some time | 21:23 |
| mgdm | but I'm not sure what the source was | 21:23 |
| neuro | i almost did the st marathon in the gft around when generations came out | 21:24 |
| neuro | i did do the alien trilogy there tho :) | 21:24 |
| mgdm | nice | 21:24 |
| diddledan | the gft? | 21:24 |
| neuro | glasgow film theatre | 21:24 |
| diddledan | aah | 21:24 |
| mgdm | I would have done that for ST but I'd not ever been to Glasgow by that point | 21:24 |
| neuro | our local indie movie house | 21:24 |
| mgdm | and I was 11 when Generations came out | 21:25 |
| neuro | I FEEL OLD | 21:25 |
| neuro | i was 19 :P | 21:25 |
| mgdm | \oo// | 21:25 |
| neuro | no wait | 21:25 |
| mgdm | ^ zaphod emoticon | 21:25 |
| neuro | when did generations come out again? | 21:25 |
| mgdm | 1994 | 21:25 |
| neuro | 93? | 21:25 |
| neuro | 94 | 21:25 |
| neuro | oh yeah, they started filming it a fortnight after they wrapped the tng series finale :) | 21:25 |
| diddledan | I was 11 too, then | 21:25 |
| neuro | so i was 20 | 21:25 |
| neuro | saw it in the grosvenor | 21:26 |
| neuro | mgdm: you been there since it's been all done up? | 21:26 |
| neuro | it's *lovely* | 21:26 |
| neuro | you can buy a beer in the bar and take it in with you \o/ | 21:27 |
| neuro | massive leather seats | 21:27 |
| neuro | sofas up the back | 21:27 |
| mgdm | neuro: is that very recent? | 21:27 |
| neuro | i think they opened back up a few years ago? | 21:27 |
| neuro | first time i'd been in was for the hobbit | 21:28 |
| neuro | they were doing a meal + movie deal | 21:28 |
| mgdm | ah, then yes, I have only been in Glasgow since 2010 so it'd be well after that :) | 21:28 |
| neuro | go upstairs to the restaurant for food, then nip down to the bar then one of the two screens | 21:28 |
| neuro | http://www.grosvenorcafe.co.uk/ | 21:28 |
| mgdm | do not attempt to film police in Sweden, it's terrifying what happens: http://www.wimp.com/swedenpolice/ | 21:32 |
| * ^2fC is still pulling his hair out... | 22:16 | |
| ^2fC | Think I will call it a day *\o/* | 22:16 |
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| roger_ | hi just checking connection | 23:54 |
| roger_ | quit | 23:55 |
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