[00:04] <shauno>  /clear
[00:04] <shauno> oops
[06:48] <MooDoo> morning all
[06:48] <MartijnVdS> \o
[07:17] <diplo> Morning all
[07:37] <MooDoo> morning diplo how goes it
[07:40] <diplo> Not to bad thanks, very busy but otherwise good. Yourself MooDoo ?
[07:48] <MooDoo> diplo: yeah, just reading up on openstack
[08:00] <dogmatic69> For some reason my inkscape hangs shortly after opening.
[08:00] <dogmatic69> anyway to trace what is going on?
[08:00] <MartijnVdS> strace
[08:00] <dogmatic69> ta
[08:01] <dogmatic69> ga
[08:01] <dogmatic69> had this problem before :(
[08:01] <dogmatic69> its hanging trying to look at some files on my iphone which is not connected.
[08:08] <diplo> I want to play with that MooDoo, got no hardware to play with now :(
[08:08] <MooDoo> diplo: me neither at the moment, but I'm getting two shiney new machines at christmas then I'll set up a lab at home.
[08:09] <diplo> I've just got my server/san setup at work though after a year ( very old ) but it works
[08:10] <diplo> What I'd really like is to pop to a site where someone is using it, see how someone utilises stuff properly, I've always self taught with no best practises type of working
[08:10] <diplo> I'd love to see a proper setup at some point.
[08:11] <MooDoo> yeah i'm just wanting to play, the more I can learn the better i can pop into a new career
[08:12] <diplo> Exactly what I was thinking, about to start with puppet over the next few days as well
[08:27] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Louise Brown Day! :-D
[08:30] <directhex> who?
[08:30] <mungbean> was she the first tt baby?
[08:30] <mungbean> i had a fascinating facts bok when i was 5
[08:32] <JamesTait> mungbean, spot on. :)
[08:32] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:34] <mungbean> if i t remeber rightly, no googling, born 1980 or 1981?
[08:34] <mungbean> april comes to mind though, maybe that was her middle name?
[08:36] <JamesTait> mungbean, she's 35 today.
[08:38] <mungbean> does she have any children herself?
[08:38] <JamesTait> Not sure where the April is coming from, though.  Her middle name is Joy and her parents are Lesley and John.
[08:38] <JamesTait> She does - she gave birth to a son in 2006.
[08:39] <mungbean> these are 30+ yr old memories so i'm a bit (c)rusty...
[08:40] <JamesTait> I was a bit young to even notice at the time. :)
[08:40] <mungbean> i was one of these children who liked reading encyclpaedia
[08:43] <JamesTait> Nothing wrong with that, mungbean. Though I used to do the same, so I might be a bit biased.
[08:45] <JamesTait> I'm still like that now, always reading up about something, trying to absorb information, learn new stuff.
[08:45] <JamesTait> I think that's pretty much the summary of a geek. :)
[08:46] <mungbean> INTJ?
[08:46] <JamesTait> I think I came out INTP last time.
[08:46] <JamesTait> But borderline on a couple.
[08:47] <mungbean> an overriding feature of intj is deep diving into subjects and mastering them
[08:47] <mungbean> but may be common to INTP too
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> Different tests put me in INTP or INTJ
[08:48] <JamesTait> I should look up my results, actually. I've still got them here somewhere.
[08:48] <MartijnVdS> so I guess I'm in the middle on the J/P spectrum
[08:49] <mungbean> there's no crossover though, you are one or the other
[08:49] <mungbean> although it is spectral too :P
[08:49] <JamesTait> Or just take another Myers Briggs test, I'm sure there are loads online.
[08:50] <mungbean> intj are supposedly quite rare, which is weird as i work in IT and very many people in IT or on irc seem to be itnj
[08:50] <mungbean> i hardly know any extroverts
[08:50] <mungbean> and dislike a lot of them :P
[08:52]  * JamesTait nods knowingly.
[08:57] <mungbean> all the 675 phones gone then
[08:57] <mgdm> What's the point to those tests, apart from curiosity?
[08:57] <mgdm> I've never done one
[08:58] <mungbean> it helps you realte with other people types
[08:58] <mungbean> helps my wife understand me
[08:58] <mgdm> we did something a bit like that with HR from work, but it was not quite as scientific as the Beano
[08:58] <mgdm> but it was a different scheme
[08:59] <mungbean> and when a loud person is blurting out their uninformed opinion and making decisions based on feelings you can understand why they are doing it
[08:59] <mgdm> I don't have a massive problem with that at the moment, but I suppose if I get 10 minutes...
[08:59] <mungbean> also if yuo have bright INTJ type in your workplace, you should use them for troubleshooting and ways to imporve systems
[09:00] <mungbean> because they are hardwired to improve, become specialists and find efficiencies
[09:00] <mungbean> so it helps to understand types
[09:01] <mungbean> also in relationships the five love languages is essential to understand. i thought it was airy fariy touchy feely, but itsvery useful to know
[09:02] <mgdm> Hmmm. :-)
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh - Just seem ebuyer's daily mail. Almost a 1TB SSD for £450.00. A few years ago I spent that on a 32GB one.
[09:04] <mungbean> still costs as much as a laptop :D
[09:10] <SuperGeorge> TheOpenSourcerer: link?
[09:10] <MooDoo> 450?  wow that's cheap for a TV
[09:10] <MooDoo> TB
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.ebuyer.com/497437-crucial-960gb-m500-ssd-ct960m500ssd1
[09:11] <mgdm> it's about average for a TV. :P
[09:12] <MooDoo> lol
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: oooh
[09:12] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: have you tried the Dark Roast yet? :)
[09:13] <mgdm> Dark Roast SSDs?
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> mgdm: beer
[09:14] <MooDoo> mgdm: do you not keep up with his posts ;)
[09:14] <mgdm> MooDoo: nope :)
[09:14] <mungbean> went into home bargains last night and they had some aswesome deals on model kits. got £50 worth of kits for £15
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> MartijnVdS: Yes - unfortunately I didn't take any pictures. It was better than I expected it to be. Nowhere near as "syrupy" as some dark beers and still rather refreshing. I'll try and do a quick write up over the weekend.
[09:15] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: cool :)
[09:19] <directhex> hm
[09:19] <directhex> do i want an Enterprise off-the-shelf NAS, or a regular supermicro with too many hotswap bays on it?
[09:19] <mungbean> for you or company?
[09:19] <directhex> company
[09:20] <mungbean> i vote the former
[09:20] <directhex> price isn't a factor. management overhead is
[09:20] <MooDoo> get a proper nas not a self built one
[09:20] <mungbean> what is the budget and capacity?
[09:21] <directhex> budget is whatever i tell our accountant i need. capacity... ~20T region? plus or minus, given redundancy etc?
[09:22] <MooDoo> directhex: look at the synology boxes
[09:22] <mungbean> i'm thinking more equallogic or ibm v7000
[09:23] <mungbean> iscsi, fc, SAS?
[09:23] <MooDoo> i want one of these - http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?product_name=DS412%2B&lang=uk
[09:23] <mungbean> or a mini netapps
[09:23] <MooDoo> or even http://www.synology.com/products/product.php?product_name=DS1513%2B&lang=uk
[09:24] <directhex> MooDoo, had been looking at RS3413xs+
[09:24] <directhex> mungbean, SATA, NAS. i don't need FC or SAS or iSCSI
[09:24] <MooDoo> directhex: even better :D
[09:25] <directhex> thecus N12000PRO?
[09:27] <directhex> oh, "encrypted volumes" is a requirement
[09:37] <SuperGeorge> woo! the lovely nagstamon guy has added indicator support!
[09:39] <MartijnVdS> nastygram?
[09:40] <BigRedS> Oh! I've been meaning to look into that for weeks
[09:41] <SuperGeorge> https://github.com/HenriWahl/Nagstamon
[09:42] <SuperGeorge> and it's just a python script so there's nothing to compile :D
[10:01] <SuperGeorge> oh wow, android 4.3 is gonna have selinux
[10:02] <mgdm> 'Why is my phone not working?' 'setenforce 0' 'Oh, now it's fine!"
[10:02] <MooDoo> lol
[10:04] <dvrr> Hiiiii
[10:09]  * SuperGeorge chortles at mgdm 
[10:09] <dvrr> DooMoo:How to run apache tomcat 7 as service  in ubuntu    could you tel me please
[10:13] <MooDoo> https://www.digitalocean.com/community/articles/how-to-install-apache-tomcat-on-ubuntu-12-04
[10:13] <MooDoo> oh they have left.
[10:13] <MooDoo> dvrr: check link above
[10:15] <dvrr> will check
[10:15] <dvrr> i will check
[10:27] <mungbean> basically all the people who search my linkedin profile are in india
[10:28] <mungbean> or spammers
[10:28] <mgdm> I get about 2 recruiters a week at the moment
[10:28] <neuro> or maybe they're in love with you
[10:28] <neuro> mgdm: them, I tell to eff off
[10:29] <neuro> make sure you don't have 'seeking employment' at the bottom of your profile
[10:29] <neuro> caught me out
[10:29] <mgdm> neuro: I just ignore 'em
[10:29] <mgdm> ah, I probably do
[10:29] <neuro> (or whatever it says"
[10:29] <neuro> cos i had one agency drone telling me that the only reason she got in touch was because it said "seeking employment" or whatever
[10:30] <neuro> changed it tout suite
[10:30] <mungbean> i don't mind contact via linkedin
[10:30] <neuro> then told her to eff off :)
[10:30] <mungbean> but using my name to then search the company directory to spam me other junk is out of order
[10:30] <neuro> lol
[10:30] <neuro> classy
[10:30] <mungbean> and i get random emails "Bert and Ron"
[10:30] <mungbean> Bert and Ron are LInux contractors lkooking for work and are CRB checked
[10:30] <neuro> "Bert and Ron you're my heroes"
[10:30] <mungbean> i'm not hiring
[10:31] <mungbean> please take me off your list according the data protection law
[10:31] <mungbean> nope
[10:31] <neuro> wait
[10:32] <neuro> why would you need to be crb checked to do a linux job?
[10:32] <mungbean> you don't
[10:32] <neuro> like, why make a point of it?
[10:32] <mungbean> but its the random crap i gt from agencies
[10:32] <neuro> yeah
[10:32] <mungbean> someone gave them my name last year, i suspect a contractor i the company
[10:32] <neuro> unlucky
[10:32] <mungbean> and now its got on the agency grapevine
[10:32] <^2fC> How to I update instead of waiting for it to?
[10:32] <^2fC> Ubuntu 13.04 that is.
[10:32] <^2fC> Desktop!
[10:32] <neuro> can i just say though
[10:32] <neuro> https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/disclosure-and-barring-service
[10:32] <neuro> that is an awesome pic
[10:33] <mungbean> +1
[10:33] <neuro> ^2fC: just run the update manager?
[10:33] <^2fC> ah ok :)
[10:33] <mungbean> erm
[10:33] <mungbean> are you on 13.04 already, you just wanna update the packages?
[10:34] <mungbean> my problem is making the stupid update manager window go away
[10:34] <^2fC> mungbean:  yeah :)
[10:36] <neuro> i (heart) open government
[10:36] <neuro> https://www.gov.uk/performance/dashboard
[10:38] <AlanBell> it is a snake eating an elephant!
[10:38] <bigcalm> Ello peeps :)
[10:39] <mgdm> that was an entirely average Wednesday, it seems
[10:39] <^2fC> updating drivers
[10:39] <^2fC> not using Open source ones anytmore
[10:39] <^2fC> :o
[10:39] <^2fC> seems to crash my doom3 and quake4
[10:40] <mungbean> how quick is unity at showing files just created?
[10:40] <mungbean> what i love about synapse is that you save to a file gc1.png, then then dialog closes, and rather than prodding through nautilus, ctrl-space gc1 ...opens *bosh*
[10:43] <neuro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jN8LC1aDpk
[10:50] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:50] <SuperGeorge> yo
[10:50] <neuro> lo
[10:54] <DJones> popey: If you're awake, what was that disposable email address service you mentioned a couple of months back
[10:54] <mungbean> mailinator?
[10:55] <DJones> mungbean: popey: Thanks, I'm pretty sure that was it
[10:55] <mungbean> i sometimes use the swedish version
[10:56] <mungbean> because less likely to get blocked by sites
[10:59]  * DJones looks at an invoice at work and wonders if there 'A Lord Satin Wheels' are a sideline for TheOpenSourcerer
[11:10] <arc__> hello
[11:11] <MooDoo> arc__: hello :)
[11:11] <arc__> it is a bit quite in here today :(
[11:11] <SuperGeorge> MAKE SOME NOOOOISE
[11:12] <arc__> YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:12] <SuperGeorge> I'm done with making noise now
[11:12] <SuperGeorge> I can't keep it up
[11:12] <SuperGeorge> I'm too old for this gumph
[11:12] <arc__> I am makeing a vid for youtube at the moment
[11:12] <SuperGeorge> I'm just migrating some sites from one box to another
[11:13] <arc__> how to install adb in ubuntu
[11:13] <arc__> how do i clear the screen in terminal
[11:13] <directhex> "reset"
[11:13] <SuperGeorge> ctrl l
[11:13] <neuro> ^L
[11:13] <arc__> cool thanz
[11:13] <directhex> and apt-get install android-tools-adb
[11:14] <arc__> no that does not do it all
[11:14] <arc__> it has more manual stuff to do
[11:14] <arc__> that is why i am makeing a vid on ut
[11:14] <directhex> define "all"
[11:15] <neuro> define "define"
[11:15] <neuro> SuperGeorge: i know that feeling
[11:15] <neuro> i'm doing an emergency 8.04 -> 12.04 migration this w/e
[11:15] <arc__> why
[11:15] <neuro> because reasons
[11:16] <arc__> directthex: that command does not work anyway
[11:16] <SuperGeorge> neuro: ah, this isn't an emergency, it's just a happening
[11:16] <SuperGeorge> because we can
[11:16] <neuro> :)
[11:16] <SuperGeorge> I've been messing with nameservers this week
[11:16] <neuro> mine is due to a mate who bailed on doing it :(
[11:17] <SuperGeorge> I've been moving zones one at a time from one server to another
[11:17] <neuro> and the colo contract runs out on wednesday :P
[11:17] <SuperGeorge> eesh!
[11:17] <SuperGeorge> that doesn't sound any of the funs
[11:17] <neuro> pain in the bum, but needs to happen
[11:17] <neuro> it could be worse
[11:17] <neuro> it's only 46 gig of data
[11:17] <davmor2> arc__: what version of ubuntu are you on and what is the video for?
[11:17] <neuro> a few domains
[11:18] <neuro> the pain bit is email
[11:18] <SuperGeorge> ugg, yeah
[11:18] <arc__> ubuntu 12.04.1 lts and it is for installing/putting adb tools on ubuntu
[11:18] <SuperGeorge> moving email != fun
[11:18] <neuro> yup
[11:18] <arc__> there is not many out there
[11:18] <neuro> i mean i have the procedure down pat, it won't be a problem, but it's just ... brrrrr *chills*
[11:18] <neuro> don't want to mess it up
[11:19] <neuro> also the really fun bit is it's 32-bit to 64-bit
[11:19] <davmor2> arc__: why do you want the adbtools is it for flashing ubuntu to a phone or something else?
[11:19] <neuro> so if anyone on the box has compiled their own binaries, and for some reason it doesn't work with the lib32 stuff, they can bite me :)
[11:19] <directhex> arc__, you never said 12.04 - the package is just there and just works in 12.10 and higher
[11:19] <neuro> arc__: also isn't the install procedure fully documented on android.org?
[11:20] <SuperGeorge> neuro: lol
[11:20] <SuperGeorge> good plan :D
[11:20] <arc__> yes but i find videos easyer to use and to find things out
[11:21] <arc__> it is a way of learning like some people learn by seeing and doing
[11:22] <arc__> Rather than reading and questioning your self if you have done it right
[11:22] <neuro> fair enough
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> arc__: but often there are no videos, so you just have to follow the guide.
[11:22] <MartijnVdS> I've found it's a focus thing.
[11:22] <arc__> that is why i am makeing it
[11:22] <neuro> but, and i don't want to burst your bubble, searching youtube for 'ubuntu android tools install' comes back with "About 20,900 results"
[11:23] <neuro> so make sure you have some sort of unique selling point :)
[11:23] <directhex> do it as a rap!
[11:23] <neuro> lol
[11:23] <arc__> neuro: see what the results are
[11:23] <davmor2> have cats installing it
[11:24] <neuro> the internet is made of cats
[11:24] <arc__> they are not all about the adb tools only what the first 3 are
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> Google have a 3-line guided
[11:25] <MartijnVdS> 1: download .tar.gz; 2: untar it; 3: run android and install platformtools
[11:25]  * MartijnVdS fails to see the need for a full-fledged guide for that
[11:26] <arc__> yes but you have to stuff to bashrc
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> you don't
[11:26] <MartijnVdS> everything works fine if you just specify the path
[11:26] <arc__> like this # Android tools export PATH=${PATH}:~/androidsdk/tools export PATH=${PATH}:~/androidsdk/platform-tools
[11:27] <arc__> yes but is a bother if you have to keep on specifying the path all the time
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> arc__: I just cd to ~/androidsdk first, then run platform-tools/adb
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> and still: how hard is it to follow a 4-5 line guide?
[11:27] <arc__> it does not work like that
[11:27] <MartijnVdS> with the simplest possible commands
[11:27] <arc__> it is a visual thing of learning
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> no, it's a question of understanding what you'll be doing before doing it
[11:28] <arc__> look i will make it and i will post it in about 15-20 mins
[11:28] <arc__> yes but people see they have self confidence
[11:28] <arc__> when watching it
[11:28] <MartijnVdS> I avoid videos like that
[11:29] <selinuxium> Afternoon all   o/
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> because the person explaining tends to be condescending or wrong (or BOTH)
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> and puts in background music and weird title screens
[11:29] <MartijnVdS> \o selinuxium
[11:29] <neuro> CONFIDENCE INSPIRING!
[11:30] <neuro> MartijnVdS: remind me not to ask you for second opinions on things ;)
[11:30] <directhex> guys, if he wants to record a video, he can
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> neuro: OK ;)
[11:30] <directhex> no need for the dogpile
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> directhex: sure :)
[11:30] <MartijnVdS> directhex: I thought he was *looking* for a howto video, not *making* one
[11:30] <neuro> aha
[11:30] <neuro> to quote my mother
[11:31] <neuro> "do you see what 'thought' did? it pee'd the bed and blamed the blanket!"
[11:31] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[11:31] <neuro> i don't know what that means
[11:31] <neuro> I DON'T SPEAK UNICODE!
[11:31] <SuperGeorge> dude, you're obviously not very l3378
[11:31] <SuperGeorge> -8
[11:31] <shauno> it's a lesson re: questioning your mother.  it's not meant to make sense.  it's meant to test your blind obedience
[11:32] <neuro> SPRECHEN ZE ENGLISH POR FAVOR!
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> neuro: 😱
[11:32] <neuro> what is that?
[11:32] <davmor2> neuro: it means you're non pep8 compliant and need to be rejected ;)
[11:32] <neuro> looks like a henry hoover
[11:32] <SuperGeorge> \/\/3 5|-|0u1d a11 T4l|< l1|<3 T|-|15
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> neuro: U+1F631
[11:32] <MartijnVdS> SuperGeorge: d00d!
[11:32] <neuro> I DON'T SPEAK UNICODE!!!!
[11:33] <MartijnVdS> neuro: U+1F631 FACE SCREAMING IN FEAR
[11:33] <neuro> that's like the worst unicode glyph i've ever seen
[11:34] <shauno> 😱  hah, he's not kidding
[11:34] <directhex> 💩💩💩
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> directhex: 🚱
[11:35] <neuro> make it stop!
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> neuro: 💞
[11:35] <neuro> *facepalm*
[11:35] <davmor2> hammertime
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> neuro: what about U+1F47E ALIEN MONSTER ?
[11:35] <MartijnVdS> 👾
[11:37] <shauno> hm, odd, that only printed one of them here.  there should be 3
[11:39] <arc__> who here watch's Hak5 on revision 3
[11:39] <arc__> or techzilla
[11:40] <shauno> hm, I thought they'd fixed this .. my irc client still fails at sending multibyte characters  (if its sending 3 characters, it sends 3 bytes.  so 3 unicode characters is 6 bytes, the first 3 are sent, the rest are left on the floor)
[11:41] <neuro> haven't watched either of those for a long time
[11:41] <mungbean> i fancied a microwave pasta meal, but they only had the ones for 2 people, although it was on offer at less than what i usually pay for the 1 person one :S
[11:42] <mungbean> so now i have to eat half and throw half away
[11:42] <arc__> waste ?!
[11:42] <neuro> "have to"? :)
[11:42] <mungbean> or what else?
[11:42] <MartijnVdS> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ButThouMust
[11:42] <mungbean> eat a meal for 2 people?
[11:42] <neuro> EAT IT ALL MAN!
[11:42] <arc__> yes
[11:42] <mungbean> my belly will reject it after half way
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> neuro: your caps lock seems to be sticky today ;)
[11:43] <arc__> you should watch man vs food
[11:43] <neuro> shift key, my friend, i am a caps ninja
[11:43] <MartijnVdS> neuro: it's still sticky
[11:43] <mungbean> i need to leave room for crisps too
[11:43] <arc__> lol
[11:43] <neuro> mungbean: you're saying your stomach takes a (presumably) 400g microwave meal perfectly and nothing more?
[11:43] <mungbean> +crisps
[11:44] <arc__> that is nothing
[11:44] <neuro> so don't eat the crisps, muppet :)
[11:44] <neuro> and polish off a bit more of the meal so it's lest wasty
[11:44] <mungbean> a day w/out crisps is like a day w/out sunshine
[11:44] <neuro> anyway, speaking of unhealthy foodstuffs
[11:44] <neuro> i'm nipping out to try one of the new mcdonalds meals before tesco gets here with my shopping
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> irn bru?
[11:44] <arc__> my brother is a body builder so to get a lot of protein he eats 1 whole chicken a day
[11:45] <arc__> and other body builder supplements and etc.
[11:45] <mungbean> i am scrawny
[11:45] <neuro> never understood body building
[11:45] <arc__> supplements ?
[11:46] <neuro> anyway, to the unhealthy place!
[11:46] <arc__> he goes to the gym every day for 2 hours after work
[11:46] <neuro> where i shall probably be buying one of these: http://www.mcdonalds.co.uk/ukhome/product_nutrition.chicken.871.mediterranean-chicken.html
[11:46] <shauno> my ex was a powerlifter.  that seemed balmy enough.  bodybuilding is basically the same regime, but with the addition of starvation and dehydration
[11:47] <mungbean> your ex was male or female?
[11:47] <mungbean> :S
[11:47] <shauno> female lol
[11:47] <arc__> cool
[11:47] <mungbean> just checking. bit unusal for female..bit of a lifestyle choice that dominates, surely?
[11:48] <shauno> it was a contributing factor in the 'ex' bit, yeah
[11:49] <mungbean> my body shuts off after the 400g are eaten
[11:51] <arc__> why
[11:51] <mungbean> because 2500 calories a day are normal to eat
[11:51] <mungbean> my stomach knows what a normal meal is
[11:52] <mungbean> ~or "has been trained to"
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> from someone I know:
[11:53] <MartijnVdS> > Going to need a moving company soon- Moving across London. Any recommendations?
[11:53] <arc__> i have just converted my ogv to avi and not i have really bad lip sync
[11:53] <mungbean> my company were ok but i got burgled soon after so meh
[11:54] <arc__> does youtube now support ogv files now ?
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> arc__: I think that works, but mp4 might work better.. or webm
[11:58] <arc__> hello
[12:02] <arc__> it is a bit quite here now for some reason
[12:06] <MooDoo> arc__: always is at dinner :d
[12:06] <arc__> lol
[12:06] <mungbean> think i managed 5/8 of the meal
[12:07] <arc__> here is my crap vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqHynTb0yXE&feature=youtu.be
[12:07] <mungbean> is it of a cat installing ubuntu?
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: it's that easy now?
[12:08] <arc__> no it is a vid of installing adb tools
[12:08] <arc__> lol
[12:09]  * mungbean prefers dogs anyway
[12:09] <arc__> you so harsh
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: psh, cats > dogs
[12:09] <MartijnVdS> dogs are so needy
[12:09] <mungbean> friendly
[12:09] <mungbean> clever
[12:09] <mungbean> loyal
[12:09] <arc__> my speaking in the vid
[12:10] <arc__> wierd
[12:10] <diddledan> the majority of technical guys prefer cats according to a survey that I don't have a link to
[12:10] <arc__> i have a choc lab
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> arc__: are you Willy Wonka?
[12:10] <diddledan> mmm, choc
[12:10] <MartijnVdS> he had loads of choc labs
[12:10] <diddledan> tasty
[12:11] <arc__> and his name is rolo
[12:11] <arc__> lol
[12:11] <diddledan> he's got a gooey centre?
[12:11] <arc__> yes i will see i can put on a pic of him
[12:12] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/sKFLXuL.jpg
[12:12] <mungbean> my dog using the internet
[12:12] <arc__> that is cute
[12:12] <diddledan> nawww, cute cute
[12:14] <mungbean> cats can't do this either
[12:14] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/S7R17il.jpg
[12:15] <diddledan> they can't get taken for a walk by a baby?
[12:15] <mungbean> mush mush...pull harder doggy
[12:16] <mungbean> she pretty much pulls the buggy up the street herself...jack russell power
[12:17] <arc__> do you like to see windows fail
[12:17] <arc__> then watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF0ETsgpxKc
[12:17] <mungbean> one of the self serve tills in tesco has had a BSOD for last 3 days
[12:18] <arc__> at tesco's self serveice i found a £5 note alone in the money out slot
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> arc__: if you don't touch it, it'll swallow it again and return it to the rightful owner
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> arc__: 's account
[12:19] <mungbean> that was minw!
[12:19] <mungbean> ate too much food, need a sleep
[12:20] <arc__> it won't i had to call over the tesco guy
[12:20] <arc__> to find out who it belongs to
[12:22] <neuro> arc__: can i give you a couple of suggestions re video?
[12:22] <arc__> yes plx
[12:22] <neuro> 1) write a script beforehand and follow it
[12:22] <neuro> 2) rehearse before recording
[12:22] <neuro> 3) buy a popguard
[12:22] <arc__> what is a popguard
[12:22] <neuro> 4) learn the terminology of things i.e. ~ = tilde, not "wavy thing" ;)
[12:23] <neuro> google it if you don't know
[12:23] <shauno> I had to do that in Budapest.  very awkward.  lady at tesco gave me the wrong change, 100 HUF more than I should have got.  so I went and queued again to give it back, and blah blah blah.  later found out that 100 HUF is about 30 pence
[12:23] <neuro> the reason why i say script it and rehearse it
[12:23] <neuro> is to stop lots of pauses and dead air
[12:23] <arc__> it is video for noob's and new people like me
[12:23] <arc__> is there any good video editors for ubuntu
[12:24] <mungbean> take neuro's advice, it is v constructive (i haven't wtched the video as i'm at work)
[12:24] <mungbean> but its good general advice
[12:24] <neuro> i'm being honest here, not trying to slap you down or anything
[12:24] <arc__> yeah thanz neuro
[12:24] <neuro> you've done more than i've ever done in terms of doing a video tutorial
[12:24] <arc__> i needed the wake up call
[12:24] <arc__> what ?
[12:24] <neuro> what?
[12:24] <marxjohnson> KDEnlive is a pretty good video editor on Ubuntu
[12:26] <neuro> yeah, do the screen recording
[12:26] <neuro> then edit it down
[12:26] <arc__> how to install /download it
[12:26] <neuro> then lay a separately recorded commentary on top
[12:26] <marxjohnson> apt-get install kdenlive, or use Ubuntu Software Centre
[12:26] <marxjohnson> same with installing anything really :)
[12:26] <arc__> see you in a bit
[12:26] <neuro> :)
[12:27] <mungbean> openshot has almost zero learning curve though
[12:27] <mungbean> like movie maker on windows
[12:27] <mungbean> (is ithat still around?)
[12:27] <neuro> blimeh, mcd's went a bit overboard on the peppers in this chicken thing
[12:27] <marxjohnson> I think so they did a kickstarter not long ago
[12:27] <mungbean> i mean windows MM
[12:27] <mungbean> :P
[12:27] <neuro> lol
[12:27] <marxjohnson> oh, yes and no
[12:28] <neuro> can imagine microsoft doing a kickstarter campaign
[12:28] <neuro> "we want to make a new microsoft phone, but we need your help"
[12:28] <neuro> "we think this target of $1.2bn is achievable"
[12:28] <mungbean> phone has been on 5.7m for ages
[12:28] <marxjohnson> There's a Windows MM in current versions of windows, but its called something like "Live Movie Maker" and they've removed the timeline to "simplify" it
[12:28] <neuro> "because we've pointed every windows vista, 7 and 8 install to autopledge \o/"
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> blender can edit videos
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> if you're feeling lucky :)
[12:29] <marxjohnson> so can dd :p
[12:29] <neuro> lol
[12:29] <MartijnVdS> marxjohnson: sure, but at least blender has a gui for it
[12:29] <mungbean> my theory is that anything above $700 kills the rate of purchases
[12:29] <marxjohnson> mungbean: seems to be
[12:29] <neuro> grep "7" foo.mkv > edited.mkv
[12:30] <neuro> or the community is just tapped out for now
[12:30] <neuro> the spikes are initial launch, and the new tiers
[12:30] <neuro> betcha there'll be another around the 30th-1tst
[12:30] <neuro> s/1tst/1st/
[12:30] <neuro> pay days :)
[12:30] <marxjohnson> yeah, Canonical must have some marketing up their sleeves to keep the momentum. I dont think they have any illusions that this is a big goal to hit
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> tier or rush?
[12:31] <mungbean> not even 1/4 way yet
[12:31] <AlanBell> I hope it will go above the biggest ever kickstarter
[12:31] <Linux_guylol> Hi again
[12:31] <Linux_guylol> Using my phone now to irc
[12:31] <neuro> did pebble do more than veronica mars?
[12:31] <AlanBell> dunno, both were $10M ish I think
[12:31] <Linux_guylol> I am arc__
[12:32] <neuro> I AM NEURO
[12:32] <DJones> Pebble was beaten recently by something
[12:32] <marxjohnson> I'm brian of nazareth and so's my wife
[12:32] <AlanBell> http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/most-funded
[12:33] <neuro> ah nice
[12:33] <Linux_guylol> I hate to change name because my pc took my normal name
[12:33] <neuro> ah pebble, $10.2m
[12:33] <neuro> ouya was $8.5m
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> oculus?
[12:34] <mungbean> what's the summary of the ouya situation?
[12:34] <directhex> edge would be #1 crowdsourced project
[12:34] <mungbean> the tldr version
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> oh, only 2.43M
[12:34] <neuro> $2.4m for oculus
[12:34] <marxjohnson> if it gets >$10.2m but doesn't reach it's goal, does that still count as a record breaker do you reckon?
[12:34] <directhex> pebble #3
[12:34] <neuro> it might be the most pledged
[12:34] <directhex> #2 is star citizen
[12:36] <neuro> oh yeah
[12:36] <neuro> forgot about that
[12:36] <AlanBell> what is that?
[12:36] <neuro> chris roberts' new thing
[12:36] <neuro> basically wing commander but open world
[12:36] <Linux_guylol> Is good as fxs
[12:36] <AlanBell> marxjohnson: nope, but I am sure it will be claimed as such
[12:39] <neuro> indiegogo must be hoping it'll succeed too
[12:39] <AlanBell> it could raise the most promised crowd  money evar, whilst also missing the target by the biggest margin evar - so it will be claimed by some as a success and others as a failure, like most canonical projects.
[12:39] <neuro> they'd stand to make $1.28m in commission if it gets funded
[12:39] <neuro> leaving $29.2m for phones
[12:39] <AlanBell> yup, if I was them I would be doing everything possible to get people talking about it
[12:40] <Linux_guylol> I'm eating a pot noodle
[12:40] <neuro> exactly
[12:40] <AlanBell> neuro: they are VAT inclusive apparently, so $6M or so to HMRC
[12:40] <MartijnVdS> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jul/25/ubuntu-edge-cheaper-price-crowdfunding?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
[12:40] <neuro> ooft
[12:40] <shauno> it feels like the ramping price would work against them though.  take the natural fall-off and make it worse
[12:40] <mungbean> thats obscenely high commision
[12:40] <mungbean> i'm sure they put a ceiling on it
[12:40] <mungbean> during negotiations
[12:41] <AlanBell> doubt it
[12:41] <neuro> mungbean: if you run a flexible funding campaign, and you don't make your goal, the commission jumps to 9%
[12:41] <neuro> instead of 4%
[12:41] <mungbean> given teh possibility of going to the competition, then i'm sure a deal can/was brokered
[12:42] <neuro> kickstarter is trying to not be a shop
[12:42] <AlanBell> indeed, kickstarter wouldn't have it
[12:42] <mungbean> indiegogo has a silly name
[12:42] <neuro> says the guy called mungbean
[12:42] <marxjohnson> lol
[12:42] <AlanBell> you need a working prototype and not look too much like pre-orders for kickstarter
[12:42] <mungbean> *shock*
[12:43] <mungbean> mungbean isn't my real name, its mungo jerry
[12:43] <directhex> so... the Edge's battery
[12:43] <neuro> nonremovable
[12:43] <neuro> has pixie dust inside
[12:43] <directhex> featuring magical battery technology which nobody has actually finished inventing yet
[12:43] <MartijnVdS> directhex: The Edge runs on batteries?
[12:43] <Linux_guylol> Are you talking about the ubuntu edge
[12:43] <neuro> no
[12:44] <mungbean> nonremovable = showstopper for me
[12:44] <neuro> we're talking about U2's Edge
[12:44] <neuro> he runs on batteries
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> like the bunny from the battery commercials
[12:44] <neuro> 1024 AA batteris
[12:44] <Linux_guylol> Lol
[12:44] <neuro> and a couple of Ds to power his fingers
[12:44] <AlanBell> silicone annode or something
[12:44] <neuro> i think sabdfl might have made it up
[12:45] <neuro> also, sili*cone*?
[12:45] <AlanBell> hope it isn't too explodey, like other high energy density things sometimes are
[12:45] <directhex> AlanBell, silicon anode, at its current stage in development, is much more explodey
[12:45] <neuro> never a good term for a battery, "explodey"
[12:45] <Linux_guylol> Being a young engineer this is interesting
[12:46] <Linux_guylol> Cell=1 battery
[12:46] <directhex> AlanBell, although it's never been developed on a scale large enough to put in a phone. small proof-of-concept cells only
[12:46] <neuro> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanowire_battery
[12:46] <neuro> good grief, why didn't they call it THAT in the description?
[12:46] <neuro> geeks would have gone nuts
[12:47] <neuro> "nanowire batteries? shut up and take my money!"
[12:47] <neuro> DOES IT HAVE BORG NANOPROBES LOL
[12:47] <ormiret> Linux_guylol: originally/technically a battery si a collection of connected cells but there are a loads of single cells that people call batteries now.
[12:48] <Linux_guylol> My engineering teacher tells me it is still called cell/cells
[12:48] <diddledan> ormiret: originally/technically a battery is a gun emplacement
[12:49] <mungbean> https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_7_16GB?id=nexus_7_16gb_2013
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet.
[12:49] <mungbean> anyone know if the old nexus7 are going cheeeap
[12:49] <shauno> go on, call them accumulators, you won't sound old all  :p
[12:49] <neuro> eeeebaaaay
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: if you can find a retailer..
[12:50] <marxjohnson> I'm wondering if I should get a new one so I can use my old one to run Ubuntu Touch
[12:50] <neuro> you'll be waiting a while, it seems
[12:50] <neuro> just checked currys
[12:50] <neuro> "Order now. Availability: 13/09/2013"
[12:50] <diddledan> wait, google have a new nexus?
[12:50] <neuro> the old 16GB 7 is 149 quid "Save £50.99"
[12:51] <marxjohnson> Gah, dont know where I was looking earier, but it said tuesday
[12:51] <mungbean> did anyone read about the hordes of geeks complaining about their n7 going slow due to the SSD going bad slowly?
[12:51] <marxjohnson> nope :)
[12:51] <neuro> marxjohnson: could be just currys guessing
[12:51] <mungbean> http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/googles-new-nexus-7-tablet-yours-for-19999-8731519.html
[12:51] <mgdm> mungbean: I heard that about the N4
[12:51] <mungbean> wireless charging
[12:52] <mungbean>  Jellybean version 4.3, which will offer support for multi-users (meaning parents can create logins for children with restricted content)
[12:52] <neuro> amazon doing the old 16GB for 169 quid
[12:52] <Linux_guylol> On boxing day my bro got a arcos 80 colbalt for £59
[12:52] <neuro> and they only have 10 left
[12:52] <mungbean> anything more than 119 is a rip
[12:52] <neuro> you think?
[12:52] <neuro> i think i paid 200 for mine
[12:52] <neuro> walked into tesco and bought one
[12:53] <mungbean> its a rip, now the the new one is announced,
[12:53] <neuro> but unavailable
[12:53] <mungbean> ok, when available
[12:54] <neuro> well it's not available yet, so we don't know what retailers will discount the old one to :)
[12:55] <neuro> ebuyer don't have any old 16GBs listed
[12:55] <neuro> they're doing the 32GB for 180
[12:55] <neuro> new 16 and 32 listed for preorder, no availability date
[12:56] <neuro> 199.98 and 239.99 respectively
[12:57] <Linux_guylol> Get the xperia z tablet
[13:00] <dogmatic69> anyone know how to make less scroll faster?
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: use a faster terminal? :)
[13:01] <neuro> mash on the space button faster
[13:02] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: :(
[13:02] <neuro> xperia z?
[13:02] <neuro> that *starts* at 400 quid!
[13:02] <dogmatic69> just using terminator, its like 500ms between lines holding down return
[13:02] <mungbean> dogmatic69: --max-forw-scroll=n ?
[13:03] <neuro> why are you holding down return?
[13:03] <mungbean> oh, that sounds like slow disk/net
[13:03] <dogmatic69> neuro: to scroll...
[13:03] <mungbean> space bar you numpty
[13:03] <neuro> space bar for hot page down action
[13:03] <dogmatic69> that is 'page down'
[13:03] <dogmatic69> I want fast line by line
[13:03] <neuro> cat
[13:04] <diddledan> I use the arra keys
[13:04] <mungbean> why?
[13:04] <mungbean> is it a large file?
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> use 'cat' instead
[13:04] <dogmatic69> not particularly
[13:04] <MartijnVdS> scrolls very fast, line by line
[13:04] <mungbean> alias cat=dog
[13:04] <dogmatic69> actually its git diff
[13:04] <neuro> and use your scrollback
[13:04] <mungbean> use vim
[13:05] <mgdm> git diff | vim -R -
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> vim's diff mode = ++
[13:05] <mgdm> would probably do it
[13:05] <dogmatic69> mungbean: I did not ask for a new editor
[13:05] <neuro> lol
[13:05] <neuro> TWO EDITORS ENTER, ONE EDITOR LEAVES
[13:05] <mungbean> it's very old don't worry
[13:05] <MartijnVdS> neuro: JOE vs EDLIN
[13:06] <neuro> hehe
[13:06] <Dave2> ed, surely
[13:06] <neuro> cat << EOM > file
[13:08] <neuro> this will slowly descend into this: http://neuro.me.uk/blog/2009/03/22/the-four-ubuntu-yorkshiremen
[13:08] <neuro> i can tell
[13:09] <ormiret> M-x win-editor-wars
[13:10] <MooDoo> omg that's the best thing ever
[13:10] <Linux_guylol> Is there a way to change where the package install in ubuntu
[13:10] <neuro> you're welcome
[13:12] <marxjohnson> Linux_guylol: not really, apt deals with it for you
[13:12] <mungbean> it's generally a bad idea
[13:12] <mungbean> why do you want to do it?
[13:14] <neuro> no reason is good enough :)
[13:15] <marxjohnson> true, but if he's trying to achieve something specific there's probably a better way
[13:15] <Linux_guylol> Ok but I am running out of space in  my ubuntu partition and I have a spare 13 tv partition
[13:15] <mungbean> i learned to ask why, in case no path is set,m or something simples
[13:15] <diddledan> lol @ the ubuntu yorkshiremen
[13:16] <mungbean> your ubuntu partition is / ?
[13:16] <neuro> i should try and write more stuff like that
[13:16] <mungbean> is /home part of that partition?
[13:16] <diddledan> thing is.. I could be one of those yorkshiremen ! :-p
[13:17] <diddledan> only .. like .. not yorkshireish
[13:17] <neuro> boot into live cd or whatever, mount / partition, mount new partition on /mnt, move stuff to /mnt, edit fstab appropriately, reboot
[13:17] <neuro> dangerous as hell, but doable
[13:17] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: "yorkie"?
[13:17] <Linux_guylol>  /Dev/sda2
[13:17] <marxjohnson> or if you've used LVM, just add the spare partition to the logical volume
[13:17] <neuro> you're out of your element, Donnie
[13:17] <marxjohnson> and expand the filesystem
[13:18] <marxjohnson> although /dev/sda2 suggest you havent used LVM
[13:18] <mungbean> usually if /home isn't separate i'd receommend it as a future project anyway..
[13:18] <neuro> i nfs mount /home from one of my NASes ;)
[13:19] <Linux_guylol> I'm not in ubuntu at the moment
[13:19] <neuro> root@saratoga:~# df -h /home
[13:19] <neuro> Filesystem       Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[13:19] <neuro> cargobay1:/data  5.5T  3.2T  2.3T  59% /data/cargobays/1
[13:20] <marxjohnson> Linux_guylol: how well do you understand partitioning and filesystems?
[13:21] <Linux_guylol> Well put it this way I have just made the move to ubuntu and I am a noob at everthing
[13:21] <marxjohnson> Ok, do you have anything on Ubuntu that you'd be upset about losing?
[13:22] <Linux_guylol> My whole web setup
[13:22] <Linux_guylol> Adb
[13:23] <marxjohnson> "web setup" as in internet connection and browsers, or web development?
[13:24] <Linux_guylol> No auto correction I mean adb setup
[13:24] <marxjohnson> aha
[13:25] <mungbean> if it's all in /home
[13:25] <mungbean> but /home is in /
[13:25] <neuro> i would tread very carefully here
[13:25] <Linux_guylol> Current 23 gb
[13:25] <mungbean> then you could create a separate /data and do ln -s /data /home/stuff
[13:26] <marxjohnson> that sounds like a good workaround for a newbie
[13:26] <Linux_guylol> Oh ok
[13:26] <neuro> danger!
[13:26] <mungbean> high voltage!
[13:26] <mungbean> achtung!
[13:27] <neuro> when we touch!
[13:27] <mungbean> when we kiss!
[13:27] <Linux_guylol> What
[13:27] <mungbean> eww
[13:27] <marxjohnson> gives you more space without you risking what you've got. I'd suggest really reading up on partitioning before you go messing with it though
[13:27] <neuro> *guitar riff*
[13:27] <neuro> yes
[13:27] <neuro> what marxjohnson said
[13:27] <marxjohnson> I blew away my parent's whole hard drive first time I tried partitioning
[13:27] <marxjohnson> and I was *sure* I knew what I was doing
[13:27] <neuro> :)
[13:27] <neuro> we've all done that
[13:27] <neuro> i'm sure
[13:28] <mungbean> at home i share my mp3s and vides with wifey so store them all on /data/video /data/mp3 etc
[13:28] <mungbean> and symlink into homedir for each user
[13:28] <Linux_guylol> I messed around with gparted so
[13:28] <neuro> why symlink?
[13:28] <mungbean> then we run picasa and have a joined up library
[13:28] <neuro> smb?
[13:29] <mungbean> all on the same machine
[13:29] <neuro> i try not to understand other people's file storage conventions
[13:29] <neuro> mine are equally mental, but equally sane to me
[13:29] <marxjohnson> ,].]
[13:29] <Linux_guylol> Cool
[13:30] <neuro> i use /data everywhere but mount stuff on top
[13:30] <neuro> be it local disk, nfs, fuse, whatever
[13:30] <diddledan> /data = websites for me
[13:30] <neuro> so /data/home /data/media /data/backups etc
[13:30] <neuro>  /data/web :)
[13:30] <Linux_guylol> Randomly deleting stuff in gparted is my thing
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> /srv/sitename for me
[13:31] <neuro> you freaky UNIX person you
[13:31] <diddledan> /data/sitename/htdocs
[13:31] <Linux_guylol> Lol
[13:31] <mungbean> if you haven't lost data with a partinioning cockup then you haven't lived
[13:32] <diddledan> then I have other stuff in /data/sitename like "project" and deploy.sh which contain the git repo and a script to overlay the git onto wordpress in htdocs
[13:32] <neuro> i've lost data to RAID cockups
[13:32] <mungbean> funnily it was using windows XP diskpart that i cocked up
[13:32] <neuro> 5TB across 6 USB drives :P
[13:32] <neuro> NEVAR AGAIN
[13:32] <neuro> hence, the NASes
[13:32] <MartijnVdS> neuro: http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/05/five-disk-floppy-raid-4mb-of-blistering-fast-storage/ ?
[13:32] <neuro> ha
[13:32] <marxjohnson> RAID across USB drives? that's brave :)
[13:32] <diddledan> lmao
[13:32] <Linux_guylol> I somehow ended up deleting my laptop recovery partition
[13:33] <neuro> marxjohnson: doing it just fine now
[13:33] <neuro> 2x1TB in RAID1
[13:33] <mungbean> if you delete a partition you can recreate it and the data is still there
[13:33] <neuro> but 6x1TB in RAID6 was a bit too funky
[13:33] <mungbean> if you don't format anything
[13:33] <diddledan> thing a lot of folk miss about raid is that it doesn't excuse lack of backups
[13:33] <marxjohnson> neuro: I imagine it was
[13:33] <neuro> absolutely
[13:33] <Linux_guylol> Yeah just 2x40 gb
[13:34] <Linux_guylol> HDDs
[13:34] <neuro> looking forward to getting faster broadband for my parentals
[13:34] <neuro> proper offsite backup \o/
[13:35] <Linux_guylol> I have git vergin media fibre top package
[13:35] <neuro> ew
[13:36] <neuro> Virgin "We Love Traffic Management, We Do" Media
[13:36] <Linux_guylol> Yes !
[13:36] <Linux_guylol> What :)
[13:36] <MartijnVdS> Oh they're calling the pron filter "traffic management" now?
[13:36] <neuro> um, no
[13:36] <Linux_guylol> Nooooooooooooo
[13:36] <Linux_guylol> Lol
[13:37] <marxjohnson> I've got virgin ADSL which is pretty much the same price as the cable I was on before I moved. It's a joke (hence why I'm moving)
[13:37] <neuro> if you dl over X amount of data in time period Y (dependent on what package you're on), you get throttled to about 25% of your published speed
[13:37] <neuro> marxjohnson: virgin national, eeeeew, unlucky
[13:37] <neuro> all of the cost, none of the benefits
[13:37] <marxjohnson> yeah, I was in an 18 month contract and moved after 12
[13:37] <marxjohnson> so had to stick with them
[13:37] <neuro> :(
[13:37] <marxjohnson> but that's over now :)
[13:37] <neuro> :)
[13:37] <MartijnVdS> neuro: wow.. data caps on wired internet
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> neuro: haven't had those in .nl for.. 10 years now?
[13:38] <Linux_guylol> It is the best 100mbs
[13:38] <neuro> MartijnVdS: shush :)
[13:38] <neuro> it's really not
[13:38] <MartijnVdS> neuro: ever since we got rid of dialup :)
[13:38] <neuro> i don't want 100Mbps that can be throttled
[13:38] <Linux_guylol> It is
[13:38] <neuro> so i have 2x 80Mbps that won't be throttled
[13:38] <neuro> or shaped
[13:38] <Linux_guylol> It isnt
[13:38] <neuro> or "managed"
[13:39] <Linux_guylol> Fast torrent downloads
[13:39] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: yeah I download loads I've only ever hit the limit testing Psychonauts of four different desktops apparently 4x4.2gb is enough to trigger it :)
[13:39] <neuro> Virgin Media XXL100
[13:39] <neuro> When does it apply? 4PM-11PM
[13:40] <neuro> 1 Hour threshold: 4500MB
[13:40] <neuro> 1 Hour reduced speed: 70Mbps (-30%)
[13:40] <mungbean> discovered that a large blob of blue tac is a very good tress toy
[13:40] <neuro> 2 Hour threshold: 5750MB
[13:40] <mungbean> stress
[13:40] <davmor2> neuro: cause all the school kids are home and nail the network
[13:40] <mungbean> never going with Vmedia again
[13:40] <neuro> 2 Hour reduced speed: 60Mbps (-40%)
[13:40] <Linux_guylol> Just got to have the right stuff
[13:40] <mungbean> they overprovision and screw you
[13:40] <neuro> Linux_guylol: i appreciate you're on a phone right now, but ... http://my.virginmedia.com/traffic-management/traffic-management-policy-thresholds.html
[13:41] <neuro> their traffic management policies are public and apply to all speeds, except maybe 300Mbps
[13:41] <neuro> applies from 11am-11pm at weekends too
[13:42] <Linux_guylol> Slowly loading
[13:42] <Linux_guylol> Come on my dad is a telephone engineer so he knows the best
[13:43] <neuro> oh, and they throttle p2p and nntp
[13:43] <neuro> lol wat
[13:43] <neuro> has your dad ever worked for an ISP?
[13:44] <neuro> are you really going to tell someone who *has* worked for an ISP, and who has just given you the public traffic management policies for your provider, that your provider doesn't do traffic management?
[13:44] <Linux_guylol> No :/
[13:44] <directhex> i just use bt infinity. because internets!
[13:44] <Linux_guylol> I don't think
[13:44] <dogmatic69> infinity ftw
[13:45] <diddledan> BT ftl
[13:46] <Linux_guylol> Is it any good fir torrents
[13:46] <marxjohnson> *sigh*
[13:46] <directhex> i have no idea
[13:46] <directhex> most of my monthly traffic is steam downloads
[13:46] <mungbean> i don't think i've ever torrented anything except linux isos
[13:47] <Linux_guylol> Ok
[13:47] <neuro> ok, i'll be the scapegoat
[13:47] <neuro> yes, bt infinity works peachy with torrents
[13:48] <Linux_guylol> Cool
[13:48]  * neuro wonders what his usage was this month
[13:49] <directhex> i normally do about 250G a month
[13:49] <marxjohnson> I've not literally no idea how much I use, might start tracking that
[13:49] <Linux_guylol> Wow that is a lot
[13:49] <mungbean> my traffic is just created by me hitting refresh on indiegogo
[13:49] <marxjohnson> got*
[13:49] <directhex> How does this compare
[13:49] <directhex> Your average monthly usage is
[13:49] <directhex> 236.65 GB
[13:50] <directhex> Your usage for this month is 213.8 GB
[13:50] <directhex>  145.33 GB downloaded
[13:50] <directhex>  68.47 GB uploaded
[13:50] <neuro> "Your usage for this month is 405.1 GB (337.76 GB downloaded 67.34 GB uploaded)"
[13:50] <neuro> "How does this compare:  Your average monthly usage is 1003.69 GB"
[13:51] <Linux_guylol> What do you upload
[13:51] <diddledan> 200GB is my cap and I keep just inside it by being frugal. if I wasn't going to get charged for going over I'd download much more
[13:51] <diddledan> 200GB is barely enough
[13:51] <neuro> what do i upload? none of your business :)
[13:52] <davmor2> neuro: light weight this month then
[13:52] <neuro> aye
[13:52] <Linux_guylol> Lol
[13:52] <directhex> neuro clearly does naked webcam sessions. big bandwidth user
[13:52] <diddledan> sweet, what's the url?
[13:53] <diddledan> wait, I mean /msg neuro
[13:53] <diddledan> :-p
[13:53] <Linux_guylol> Listen to daft punk tron legacy drezzed
[13:53] <neuro> according to my pfsense stats, my sky connection has downloaded 245GB in the last 30 days (2.65Mbps 95th %ile), BT 451.71GB (5.42Mbps) and aggregate IPv6 traffic is 48.5GB
[13:54] <neuro> Linux_guylol: i did. when it came out. ages ago.
[13:54] <neuro> :)
[13:54] <Linux_guylol> Aggressive download time
[13:54] <neuro> diddledan: shhh, you know you're one of my top subscribers!
[13:54] <mungbean> weird pic http://imgur.com/PmmDw5q
[13:55] <neuro> Linux_guylol: not really
[13:55] <neuro> my record on my sky line alone is about 950GB in a month
[13:55] <Linux_guylol> For me a phone downloading random linux is it is
[13:56] <neuro> i think i did 20-30 gig on Three one month, ages ago
[13:56] <neuro> wifi tether ftw
[13:56] <mungbean> is this mainly watching programmes/films?
[13:56] <mungbean> i don't watch that much telly
[13:56] <neuro> all sorts of shenanigans
[13:56]  * mungbean still does the book thing
[13:56] <Linux_guylol> Lol
[13:57] <neuro> media, backups, work stuff ...
[13:57] <mungbean> i carry a disk to work and upload to glacier from there :P
[13:57] <mungbean> 1GB internet ftw
[13:57] <neuro> 9 times out of 10 if i listen to an album in itunes on this mac, it's coming off itunes match, so there's 60-200 meg right there
[13:57] <Linux_guylol> Just downloding utorrent for leaga activitys
[13:58] <neuro> yeah yeah
[13:58] <Linux_guylol> Lol ducks
[13:58] <neuro> torrent over 3g = fail
[13:59] <Linux_guylol> 3 grams ?
[14:00] <neuro> um, ok
[14:00] <marxjohnson> "3 grams of internet please, shopkeep"
[14:00] <neuro> that'll be 3 and sixpence pleaes
[14:01] <neuro> INTERNET, SEVENTIES STYLE
[14:01] <Linux_guylol> Lol
[14:01] <Linux_guylol> Ubuntu
[14:01] <neuro> "Look, 1200 baud!!! ZOMG!"
[14:02]  * neuro remembers when BT Kilostream lines were teh awesome
[14:02]  * marxjohnson doesnt
[14:02] <marxjohnson> first modem was 56k
[14:02] <neuro> ran a webserver over it :)
[14:02] <marxjohnson> i dont know I'm born
[14:02] <neuro> nope
[14:03]  * neuro is old, apparently
[14:03] <Linux_guylol> Whydoes 3 block torrent sites
[14:03] <neuro> haha
[14:03] <neuro> because they have a business model to maintain
[14:03] <diddledan> because the BPI told them to
[14:03] <MooDoo> same with virgin
[14:03] <neuro> also, bittorrent + CGNAT = bad things
[14:03] <Linux_guylol> Dank business model
[14:04] <Linux_guylol> I mean damm
[14:04] <diddledan> I've never understood CGNAT
[14:04] <neuro> it's evil
[14:04] <diddledan> indeed
[14:04] <neuro> BT are talking about using it for light use customers
[14:04] <diddledan> it just doesn't seem to compute to me
[14:04] <Linux_guylol> What is it
[14:04] <neuro> it makes sense in a way, especially in the face of v4 exhaustion
[14:05] <neuro> Carrier Grade NAT, google it
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> \o/ IPv6
[14:05] <diddledan> erm.. ipv6 has been available now since 2000?
[14:05] <neuro> ha
[14:05] <neuro> tho BT are also talking about starting a v6 rollout this year
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> neuro: a lot of my home traffic is v6
[14:05] <neuro> virgin occasionally make noises about it
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> neuro: Dutch news sites are mostly v6 capable
[14:05] <Linux_guylol> I will imagine it
[14:05] <MartijnVdS> neuro: government sites too, Google, Youtube, Facebook as ewll
[14:05] <neuro> MartijnVdS: oh shush, mister I Live In An Enlightened Society, Telecoms-wise
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> neuro: we don't have 4g though
[14:06] <neuro> awww
[14:06] <mungbean> whether we have ipc6 is a bit irrelevant , innit?
[14:06] <neuro> a lot of us don't have 4g here either :)
[14:06] <neuro> mungbean: depends on your point of view
[14:06] <mungbean> customer
[14:06] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ipv6 is VERY useful to have
[14:06] <neuro> again, depends
[14:06] <neuro> there are different types of customer
[14:06] <Linux_guylol> Bring back dial up and viruses
[14:06] <neuro> um, no
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> IPv6 makes life of the protocol designer easier
[14:07] <neuro> makes the life of the router easier too
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> The reason video-conference protocols suck is NAT
[14:07] <neuro> no need to worry about NAT
[14:07] <neuro> and VPNs
[14:07] <neuro> and gaming
[14:07] <MartijnVdS> yeah
[14:07] <neuro> no more "oh you need to open ports blah blah and blah to Get Stuff Done"
[14:07] <diddledan> basically NAT is and always was a second-class solution looking for a problem
[14:08] <neuro> well, the problem was always a clear one
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> neuro: well, you might need to open ports to a specific host -- home routers will block incoming traffic by default
[14:08] <neuro> v4 exhaustion
[14:08] <diddledan> usually the problem was one that it created :-p
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> neuro: it'll become a *firewall* instead of a NAT gateway
[14:08] <neuro> well yeah
[14:08] <neuro> but you just talk back over the egress port
[14:08] <mungbean> i have a load of unused public ipc4 addreses
[14:08] <neuro> tut tut
[14:08] <Linux_guylol> I don't understand any of this :()
[14:08] <mungbean> coupla class Cs at least
[14:09] <neuro> REALLY?
[14:09] <neuro> i mean, hang on
[14:09] <mungbean> yep
[14:09] <neuro> let me first chide you for saying "class C"
[14:09] <neuro> but really?!
[14:09] <MartijnVdS>  /24s
[14:09] <diddledan> how much?
[14:09] <diddledan> (money)
[14:09] <diddledan> :-p
[14:09] <neuro> HOW MUCH FOR ZE WOMEN!
[14:09] <mungbean> i don't own them personally but i have about 8 /24 under my control
[14:09] <mungbean> only using half of them
[14:09] <diddledan> aah
[14:10] <mungbean> i can spin up my own services etc on them tho
[14:10] <neuro> good grief, sir :)
[14:10] <neuro> all those starving internet connections and you're hoarding!
[14:10] <diddledan> I think at work we've got a few /28s
[14:10] <mungbean> ibm , sun and MS prob own millinos
[14:10] <neuro> don't get me started on that lot
[14:10] <neuro> "oh hai, we has /8s, want some? TOUGH!"
[14:11] <mungbean> lots of JANET institutions have a couple of /16s each uni
[14:11] <neuro> to be fair, they do get used
[14:11] <Linux_guylol> Who likes star wars
[14:11] <mungbean> they had silly rules about not NATing though
[14:11] <neuro> makes things easier to manage
[14:11] <marxjohnson> oi, nothing wrong with JANET institions ;)
[14:11] <neuro> lol
[14:11] <mungbean> the not nat'ing is silly
[14:11] <neuro> NATing is silly, if you can prevent it
[14:11] <Linux_guylol> Lol
[14:11] <mungbean> bunch of hpc nodes?
[14:12] <neuro> i mean look at it this way
[14:12] <neuro> there's no way apple are using an entire /8
[14:12] <mungbean> every desktop user getting their own public IP? craziness
[14:12] <mgdm> my Uni had a /16
[14:12] <neuro> what's wrong with that?
[14:12] <neuro> as long as the firewall(s) is(are) protecting them
[14:12] <mgdm> every computer on the campus had a 'real' IP (though firewalled)
[14:12] <Linux_guylol> What way backwards ?
[14:12] <neuro> mgdm: gla? strath?
[14:12] <neuro> not gcal? :)
[14:13] <mungbean> i came from private -> public secotr so i'm trained to NAT
[14:13] <neuro> i've never worked for the public sector, at least not directly
[14:13] <mungbean> do you want to?
[14:13] <mgdm> neuro: HW
[14:13] <neuro> nope
[14:13] <mungbean> i haz lots of jobs
[14:13] <neuro> mgdm: ohhhh
[14:14] <neuro> was contracted out to NHS, SEPA, Scottish Office, Essex County Council on occasion as a consultant
[14:14] <neuro> yeeeeeears ago
[14:14] <Linux_guylol> Im hireing for minimum wage
[14:14] <neuro> good luck with that
[14:14] <neuro> mgdm: think i went to hw once, can't remember why
[14:15] <neuro> might have been picking up a printer off someone or some other such madness
[14:15] <diddledan> the co that I work for does websites on behalf of several public sector bodies
[14:15] <neuro> or giving someone a lift
[14:15] <Linux_guylol> You get a free t-shirt
[14:15] <neuro> very hazy
[14:16] <diddledan> we've got an evil setup in terms of servers tho
[14:16] <diddledan> any sane person would cry
[14:16] <diddledan> though thankfully it's all automated via a somewhat clunky perl script
[14:16] <mungbean> Linux_guylol: wher u live?
[14:16] <Linux_guylol> The dark side of servers of the galaxy
[14:17] <Linux_guylol> Coventry
[14:17] <neuro> Linux_guylol: do you know what a minimum wage costs for a year?
[14:18] <neuro> over 10 grand
[14:18] <mungbean> double
[14:18] <Linux_guylol> Oh sh**
[14:18] <neuro> not including what an employer has to pay out in NI contributions
[14:19] <Linux_guylol> N
[14:19] <Linux_guylol> Oooooo
[14:19] <Linux_guylol> Coventry is the best in the uk
[14:20] <neuro> for what?
[14:20] <Linux_guylol> I am joining the first Lego league
[14:20] <Linux_guylol> For being awesome
[14:21] <neuro> http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m69a1g5C0u1rvzw0uo1_500.gif
[14:21] <diddledan> wow, the fundraiser has seriously slowed down now the 625$ is sold out
[14:21] <neuro> to be expected, really
[14:22] <Linux_guylol> Stupid gif
[14:22] <neuro> http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/117/129/NOU.gif#no%20u%20gif%20240x232
[14:22] <diddledan> stupid gifs have more knowledge than you might think
[14:22] <mungbean> people probably holding on to wait for a better deal
[14:23] <mungbean> big money vs bigger money
[14:23] <diddledan> that second gif is freakily 3d
[14:23] <Linux_guylol> And the best money is 1p
[14:24] <diddledan> gotta love the invasion of the body snatchers tho
[14:24] <neuro> :)
[14:24] <neuro> OOOOOOOWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[14:24] <neuro> *point*
[14:24] <Linux_guylol> 1
[14:25] <Linux_guylol> I'm 14
[14:25] <neuro> ok
[14:25] <neuro> and?
[14:25] <marxjohnson> well done
[14:25] <Linux_guylol> Yay
[14:25] <neuro> http://media.tumblr.com/772a9c560f0864c4d89414541ae835ef/tumblr_inline_mpl48vJTUP1qz4rgp.gif
[14:26] <Linux_guylol> Lol
[14:26] <diddledan> precocious little brat
[14:26] <Linux_guylol> :)
[14:27] <neuro> i was over at my folks on sunday
[14:27] <neuro> return of the jedi was on
[14:27] <diddledan> \o/
[14:27] <neuro> and i pointed out to my mum what one of the most egregious lucas tweaks was
[14:27] <neuro> i.e. douchebag anakin appearing at the end rather than redeemed old anakin
[14:27] <neuro> and i expected her not to understand
[14:27] <neuro> but she totally got it
[14:27] <neuro> "but luke has never seen young anakin"
[14:27] <neuro> "YES, EXACTLY!"
[14:27] <diddledan> wait, they did what?!
[14:28] <Linux_guylol> The ubuntu kid
[14:28] <neuro> you haven't seen the archive editions of ROTJ?
[14:28] <diddledan> lucas sucks doorknobs
[14:28] <Linux_guylol> Why did George sell it to disney
[14:28] <neuro> when the DVDs got reissued in 2004, they made more tweaks
[14:28] <neuro> that was one of them
[14:28] <diddledan> ergh
[14:29] <diddledan> I've not seen the more recent variations
[14:29] <neuro> Linux_guylol: because he owned Lucasfilm outright
[14:29] <mungbean> arning: rpc.idmapd appears not to be running. All uids will be mapped to the nobody uid.
[14:29] <neuro> so he got a ton of cash and a ton of disney shares
[14:29] <mungbean> guys, any ideas?!?!?
[14:29] <neuro> diddledan: there's more in the blurays
[14:29] <mungbean> on a prod server and getting this error
[14:29] <diddledan> aparently han solo is a good guy now and shoots only after he's been shot at
[14:29] <mungbean> rpcidmap IS running
[14:29] <neuro> diddledan: when vader picks up the emperor at the end?
[14:29] <neuro> they put in another NOOOOOOOOO
[14:30] <diddledan> mungbean: what error?
[14:30] <Linux_guylol> No I mean duany is going to runi the  awesomebus of it
[14:30] <neuro> diddledan: if you want your childhood to be further messed with ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGxnOnaQyGo
[14:31] <neuro> Linux_guylol: how so?
[14:33] <Linux_guylol> See what Russell Howard said about it
[14:33] <neuro> diddledan: and here's the revised RotJ ending: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkDO2UxX4Lo&t=3m20s
[14:33] <neuro> old vs new
[14:34] <mungbean> warning: rpc.idmapd appears not to be running. All uids will be mapped to the nobody uid.
[14:34] <mungbean> ^^ that errpr
[14:35] <Linux_guylol> I dunon I just make errors
[14:36] <Linux_guylol> ")
[14:37] <neuro> mungbean: service idmapd restart ?
[14:38] <Linux_guylol> What is uid
[14:38] <neuro> if you have to ask ...
[14:38] <neuro> ;)
[14:38] <neuro> it's the user id for your login
[14:43] <Linux_guylol> Ok
[14:43] <Linux_guylol> I wI'll back on pc to help in 1 mib
[14:46] <arc__> i am back
[14:48] <arc__> Linux_guylol:How are you
[14:49] <Linux_guylol> Hi arc you are the best
[14:52] <neuro> eternal september ...
[14:53] <mungbean> http://bugs.centos.org/view.php?id=5579
[14:53] <mungbean> stupid bug
[14:54] <arc__> lol
[14:54] <mungbean> not sure if fixed in later or not
[14:55] <arc__> how to do get ad's on your youtube video
[14:56] <neuro> go to your video manager and monetise it
[14:56] <neuro> you need to be registered to do that
[14:56] <arc__> ok
[14:56] <mungbean> and viewers
[14:56] <mungbean> :P
[14:57] <neuro> well yeah :)
[14:57] <mungbean> i need to make a new video
[14:57] <mungbean> but only have a old digicam with firewire and digital tape, or my phone
[14:57] <arc__> what is your guys channels
[14:57] <neuro> guess
[14:58] <arc__> neuro is the best
[14:58] <arc__> but arc is better
[14:58] <mungbean> twiglets and curry
[14:59] <neuro> ec2 security groups!!!
[14:59] <neuro> aaaaahhh gargle gargle blaaaaaah
[15:00] <arc__> damm you liars i so gullible
[15:00] <arc__> damm i don't have a credit card
[15:00] <arc__> so what is it really
[15:00] <neuro> wat?
[15:01] <arc__> your youtube channels
[15:01] <neuro> <-
[15:01]  * neuro descends further into hell
[15:01] <neuro> $ uname -a
[15:01] <neuro> CYGWIN_NT-5.2 ip-0A3097D9 1.7.22(0.268/5/3) 2013-07-22 17:06 i686 Cygwin
[15:01] <arc__> which is it then https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=neuro&filters=channel&lclk=channel
[15:02] <arc__> we should all do a skype or a team view
[15:02] <arc__> on ubuntu
[15:03] <Linux_guylol> Yes we should
[15:04] <arc__> have you seen what #ubuntu are talking out
[15:04] <neuro> seriously, look at any of those channels in the search
[15:04] <neuro> which one do you think is mine?
[15:04] <arc__> the third one
[15:05] <neuro> have a cookie
[15:05] <arc__> yay
[15:05] <arc__> i will sub you
[15:05] <arc__> if you sub me
[15:05] <arc__> X98_Hacker
[15:05]  * marxjohnson sighs
[15:06] <arc__> *sighs
[15:06] <arc__> damm
[15:06] <marxjohnson> What value is there in someone subscribing to your channel for any reason other than them being genuinely interested in it?
[15:07] <AlanBell> it has e-peen value
[15:07] <arc__> because i sub them it is the way of youtube
[15:08] <marxjohnson> AlanBell: right you are
[15:08] <neuro> i subscribe to stuff on youtube because i'm interested in what is being uploaded
[15:08] <neuro> if i'm not interested, i don't subscribe
[15:08] <arc__> damm
[15:09] <neuro> i have 65 subscriptions right now
[15:09] <arc__> i will work up through the ranks then i will make my day view
[15:09] <neuro> almost all of them set to only show uploads (rather than show uploads, likes, faves, etc)
[15:10] <arc__> how do i finf my video profile
[15:10] <arc__> (find)
[15:10] <marxjohnson> Have I ended up in #youtube by mistake?
[15:10] <neuro> https://support.google.com/youtube/?hl=en-GB
[15:10] <neuro> seems so
[15:10] <arc__> yes you have
[15:10] <arc__> no i mean in ubuntu
[15:11] <arc__> the program kendlive is asknig
[15:11] <neuro> jeez
[15:11] <neuro> see that little downward arrow beside your avatar at the top right of youtube?
[15:11] <neuro> click it
[15:12] <arc__> no in ubuntu not youtube
[15:12]  * neuro gives up
[15:12] <marxjohnson> My mistake, I'm in #kdenlive
[15:12]  * neuro closes youtube tab before clickyclicky syndrome kicks in
[15:13] <neuro> marxjohnson: polymorphic irc
[15:13] <arc__> http://snag.gy/cOFBh.jpg
[15:14] <neuro> hello Nimesh
[15:14] <arc__> damm !!!!!
[15:15] <arc__> i'm off the grid so you can't find me on the web
[15:15] <marxjohnson> Seriously, if you need KDEnlive support, they have their own channels. You might get lucky here, but it's really for Ubuntu discussion.
[15:15] <arc__> any way back to the problem at hand
[15:15] <neuro> yeah, ubuntu discussion
[15:15] <neuro> and twiglets
[15:15] <arc__> it is on ubuntu thought isn't it
[15:15] <arc__> so it is relevent
[15:16] <neuro> http://nimesh-game-stuff.webs.com/apps/profile/42994194/
[15:16] <marxjohnson> arguable, but you're more likely to get someone who can help you if you ask in the right place
[15:16] <arc__> i have done it
[15:16] <AlanBell> looks like there is a reddit AMA thing a bit later around the Ubuntu Edge topic
[15:16] <neuro> ooh
[15:16] <ormiret> arc__: which profile you want to use depends on the video you want to edit.
[15:16] <marxjohnson> ooh!
[15:16] <neuro> who's doing the answering?
[15:17] <AlanBell> sabdfl
[15:17] <neuro> noice
[15:17] <AlanBell> Mark Shuttleworth
[15:17] <arc__> neuro: my real name is abdi hghtht
[15:17] <AlanBell> no link for the reddit thing yet, but it is announced here http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge?c=activity
[15:18] <AlanBell> reddit puzzles me
[15:18] <neuro> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/1j0zn9/mark_shuttleworth_reddit_ama_today_at_1230_ny/
[15:18] <neuro> yeah, i should use it more
[15:18] <neuro> especially since i pay for the bloody thing
[15:18] <AlanBell> it is a very web 1.0 kind of discussion board
[15:19] <arc__> http://redd.it/1j0zn9
[15:19] <neuro> arc__: welcome to 2 minutes ago
[15:19] <arc__> why all of you so harsh to me :(
[15:19] <AlanBell> yup, but that isn't it. That is a comment on reddit about the future thread that there will be in another bit of reddit later
[15:19] <neuro> i'm not!
[15:19] <neuro> this is just gentle banter
[15:20] <arc__> in indochine i got beatern up but this is just !
[15:20] <AlanBell> no eggs today :( http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/video
[15:21] <arc__> indochine is a real place it was a french conaliy between india and china
[15:21] <neuro> ok, now i'm properly confused
[15:22] <arc__> https://sites.google.com/site/x98hacker/
[15:23] <arc__> click the link at the botterm
[15:24] <arc__> accept the access
[15:24] <neuro> um, no
[15:24] <arc__> http://snag.gy/FD2bD.jpg
[15:25] <arc__> it willv send you a email it was the basic google script
[15:25] <arc__> it does no harm it is my website
[15:26] <neuro> suuuuuuuure
[15:26] <marxjohnson> hahaha
[15:26] <arc__> IT have checked at school
[15:26] <marxjohnson> that's OK then
[15:26] <neuro> do you want my gmail password too?
[15:26] <neuro> how about one of my ssh keys?
[15:26] <arc__> look i will post another screen shot
[15:27] <neuro> i could say something else, but it's a quote from a movie and it's rude, so i won't
[15:27] <diddledan> screenshots don't prove anything
[15:27] <Linux_guylol> My pc has crashed
[15:27]  * neuro whistles quietly
[15:28] <diddledan> ok, so you're nonchalant. quit rubbing our noses in it already
[15:28] <AlanBell> arc__: what is the point of this exercise in trying to get us to execute this script?
[15:28] <Linux_guylol> Neuro hacker
[15:28]  * neuro throws his jacket over his shoulder and flicks his hair back
[15:28] <neuro> Linux_guylol: wat?
[15:29] <Linux_guylol> I want to see if it works
[15:29] <arc__> do it
[15:29] <neuro> you just accused me of being a "hacker"
[15:30] <neuro> excuse me if i ignore everything else you say in here
[15:30] <Linux_guylol> Plz
[15:30] <Linux_guylol> Sorry just a joke didn't mean to offend
[15:31] <neuro> 60 minutes to go
[15:31] <neuro> i wonder if sabdfl will answer questions about the tiers
[15:31] <Linux_guylol> I'm so sirr
[15:32] <mungbean> hacker = programmer
[15:32] <neuro> hence, the quotes :)
[15:32] <neuro> i knew what the insinuation was
[15:32] <Linux_guylol> I dont want to be the bad guy
[15:33] <mungbean> is everyone a bit drunk already
[15:33] <neuro> i had a mcd's smoothie earlier, i might be in the middle of a sugar crash
[15:37] <arc__> hey sorry for that
[15:38] <arc__> hacker are really cool like white hat hackers
[15:39] <mungbean> #omgubuntu is that way :P
[15:39] <SuperGeorge> actually, it's #omg!ubuntu!
[15:39] <SuperGeorge> I've given away the secret
[15:39] <mungbean> i used to go there :P
[15:39] <SuperGeorge> oops
[15:40] <mungbean> then it went below 40 users and i left
[15:40] <SuperGeorge> no one talks in there anyway
[15:40] <mungbean> they used to 3 yrs ago
[15:40] <mgdm> still a terrible name </opinion> :P
[15:40] <SuperGeorge> yeah, but some people were being idiots
[15:40] <SuperGeorge> d0od agrees, but it's too late to do much about it
[15:40] <mungbean> let that be a lesson
[15:41] <neuro> :)
[15:41] <SuperGeorge> could go through a massive rebranding
[15:41] <mungbean> not worth it
[15:41] <mgdm> By Jove, Ubuntu!
[15:41] <mgdm> or something
[15:41] <arc__> have i been a bit too stupid
[15:41] <mungbean> egads, ubuntu
[15:41] <neuro> erk, thunder outside
[15:41] <mungbean> huzzah ubuntu
[15:41] <diddledan> ooh, eck, ubuntu!
[15:41] <neuro> mgdm: you hearing same?
[15:42] <neuro> ee by gum ubuntu!
[15:42] <Linux_guylol> Lol
[15:42] <mgdm> neuro: aye, seeing it, and quite close too
[15:42] <diddledan> get your UPSen ready
[15:42] <neuro> may have to start singing the thunder buddy song
[15:42] <arc__> Ted
[15:42] <mgdm> neuro: seen http://www.blitzortung.org/ ?
[15:42] <neuro> wow cool
[15:43] <mgdm> neuro: click the EUMETSAT overlay button, it's pretty cool
[15:43] <neuro> ohhhhhhh
[15:43] <neuro> wx pron!
[15:43] <mgdm> indeed ;)
[15:43] <mgdm> it's all community-based, there's a kit you can get and built, and feed data in
[15:43] <mgdm> Elwell has one
[15:44] <neuro> why does that not surprise me
[15:44] <mgdm> :)
[15:44] <arc__> porn ?
[15:44] <arc__> oh pron
[15:45] <mungbean> did that redtape guy change his name?
[15:45] <neuro> i bet he has an ADS-B receiver as well
[15:46] <neuro> good q, dunno :)
[15:46] <mgdm> and AIS, and weather fax, and... :)
[15:46] <SuperGeorge> I changed mine
[15:46] <SuperGeorge> for obvious reasons
[15:47] <neuro> no-one has used or said that nick since the 13th
[15:47] <mungbean> i wanted the name Jimothy
[15:47] <jimothy> hello
[15:47] <neuro> hello!
[15:47] <neuro> it's like you're part James, part Timothy!
[15:48] <neuro> but all ubuntu user :)
[15:49] <jimothy> how do i setup an alias to my real nick?
[15:49] <mgdm> jimothy: /msg nickserv help group
[15:49] <neuro> that's the bunny
[15:49] <neuro> technically i'm reg'd with nickserv as neuro_ but added neuro once it got freed up
[15:51] <diddledan> who do I have to flirt with/at to get an ubuntu cloak?
[15:51] <arc__> can you install thing in ubuntu on debien
[15:51] <mgdm> diddledan: become a member
[15:52] <mungbean> thanks mgdm
[15:52] <mungbean> why jimothy wasn't already taken is a surprise
[15:52] <mungbean> :D
[15:53] <Linux_guylol> You guys are cool and awsome
[15:53] <mungbean> i know
[15:53] <diddledan> except shauno who happens to be God
[15:57] <AlanBell> !member | diddledan
[15:57] <AlanBell> you can get an unaffiliated cloak if you ask in #freenode
[15:57] <diddledan> aah, I guess I'm a long way off "consistent and sustained"
[15:58] <diddledan> as for "contribution".. erm.. yeah, look over there, a pig flying! *ducks*
[16:03] <Laney> muhahaha
[16:09] <Linux_guylol> Ducks are the best
[16:12] <AlanBell> chickens are the best
[16:13] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: for food or for companionship?
[16:13] <Linux_guylol> No yellow ducks
[16:14] <Linux_guylol> Chinese duck yum
[16:14] <brobostigon> and noc chicken abuse.
[16:14] <brobostigon> no*
[16:15] <AlanBell> http://hencam.libertus.co.uk/video Linux_guylol
[16:15] <Azelphur> Is there any way to give a user permission to set a processes niceness / ionice?
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: there is
[16:17] <Azelphur> cool, hows that work? :)
[16:17] <diddledan> Azelphur: nice -n 19 command
[16:17] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it can be done using capabilities
[16:17] <diddledan> that  works as my normal user
[16:17] <Azelphur> diddledan: 19 is lower priority, I want  higher priority, higher priority by default can't be achieved without sudo, hense the question. :)
[16:17] <SuperGeorge> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbq1fRbkOAE&feature=youtu.be
[16:17] <diddledan> aah
[16:18] <Linux_guylol> Alan_bell:I hace no account
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: man 7 capabilities
[16:18] <Azelphur> righto, ty
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> CAP_SYS_NICE
[16:18] <MartijnVdS> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7635515/how-to-set-cap-sys-nice-capability-to-a-linux-user
[16:20] <diddledan> it's convoluted then
[16:20] <Azelphur> indeed :P
[16:20] <diddledan> become root first then drop everything you're not going to use
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: you can set capabilities on a binary
[16:20] <Azelphur> and you can't reload limits.conf without a reboot :<
[16:20] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: yes, just log out
[16:20] <Azelphur> oh, you can
[16:21] <Azelphur> fun
[16:21] <diddledan> I usually just spawn a new login shell in my terminal if I'm in the middle of something
[16:22] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/E2Tvifbz no dice?
[16:22] <diddledan> sudo -u sameusername -i
[16:22] <Azelphur> diddledan: that's a fresh ssh session
[16:22] <diddledan> that works for group membership, I'm not so sure about limits
[16:22] <diddledan> not ssh
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> it works for users as well
[16:22] <MartijnVdS> but
[16:22] <Azelphur> also my srcds account has no sudo access, for obvious reasons ;)
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: does /etc/pam.d/* contain pam_limits?
[16:23] <diddledan> use su then
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> sshd does that
[16:23] <diddledan> and type your password
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> it's disabled for su by default
[16:23] <AlanBell> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1j166z/hi_im_mark_shuttleworth_founder_of_ubuntu/
[16:23] <Azelphur> azelphur@azelphur:/etc/pam.d$ find . | grep -i pam_limits
[16:23] <Azelphur> yields nothing
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: weird..
[16:23] <Azelphur> this is debian btw
[16:24] <MartijnVdS> http://wiki.debian.org/Limits
[16:25] <neuro> SuperGeorge: gotta love Brandon Routh :)
[16:27]  * neuro giggles
[16:27] <SuperGeorge> do you though? :P
[16:27] <neuro> sabdfl's photo proof for the ama was taken by an iphone ...
[16:27] <diddledan> I can't figure out how to drive reddit
[16:27] <diddledan> having never been there before it looks weird
[16:27] <neuro> it's just a big ass threaded forum
[16:27] <AlanBell> web 1.0 style
[16:28] <Linux_guylol> Lol
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> I never remember who other people on there are
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> actually
[16:28] <MartijnVdS> I don't notice who's writing the posts
[16:28] <AlanBell> you have to refresh all the time and it is utterly confusing
[16:28] <diddledan> how do I find the "answers" to this AMA?
[16:28] <AlanBell> there are none yet
[16:29] <AlanBell> you have to keep refreshing and searching as far as I can tell
[16:29] <neuro> hmm, just under 600k raised so far today
[16:29] <diddledan> it's just fanbois yelling "yeah, that's a good question" or answering their own answers instead of letting mark do the answering
[16:29] <neuro> which is below the 43k an hour avg they need to get to 32m
[16:29] <neuro> diddledan: it hasn't started yet
[16:29] <neuro> sabdfl will start answering posts after 17:30
[16:30] <neuro> or his assistant will ;)
[16:30] <diddledan> meelions and meelions of dollars
[16:38] <MartijnVdS> bazillions?
[16:40] <neuro> gajillions
[16:40] <MartijnVdS> brazilians?
[16:40] <diddledan> pervert!
[16:41] <AlanBell> neuro: he normally types his own stuff
[16:42] <neuro> i was kidding ;)
[16:42] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: normally, yes :P
[16:42] <christel> using his toes even!
[16:43] <MartijnVdS> christel: he's Supersabdfl now?
[16:44]  * christel nods
[16:49]  * MartijnVdS hugs his 21:9 screen again
[16:54] <Azelphur> 21:9? what resolution is that?
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: 2560x1080
[16:54] <Azelphur> ah, cool :)
[16:54] <MartijnVdS> 70cm wide
[16:55] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: have you seen the korean monitors? I got those
[16:55] <Azelphur> 2560x1440
[16:55] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: I have a  Dell
[16:55] <Azelphur> yea, the Dell will probably have better image quality
[16:55] <Azelphur> although these aren't bad, I think they are reject apple panels
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: it came with a calibration report
[16:56] <Azelphur> nice :)
[16:56] <MartijnVdS> guaranteeing sRGB is within several % of "real" sRGB
[17:04] <marxjohnson> hah, from the AmA: "We're hoping to blaze a trail with silicon anode batteries. Hopefully, that is the only blaze involved"
[17:13] <HoT|2fC^> hey :) I have installed Ubuntu Server 13.04.4 LTS 32bit on my server, when I start it up on boot I get on my 17inch LCD screen "Out of Range"
[17:13] <HoT|2fC^> and "No Input Signal"
[17:14] <HoT|2fC^> Is this GRUB problem? or BIOS? its on a HP DL380 G3 "Old Hardware" server.
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: the screen shows that?
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: have you tried waiting a bit, see if it clears up?
[17:15] <HoT|2fC^> MartijnVdS: Yeah
[17:15] <HoT|2fC^> Yeah it says after Out of Range... No Input Signal.
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: what kind of graphics card is in there? do you know?
[17:15] <HoT|2fC^> I get nothing I have to power down the Server.
[17:16] <HoT|2fC^> ATI intergrated.
[17:16] <HoT|2fC^> Is it telling it the wrong res or something?
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: yeah, I think it's detecting a resolution your screen can't handle
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> and then using that unusable setting
[17:16] <HoT|2fC^> Oh crapp
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: try booting with "vga=normal nomodeset" kernel command line options
[17:16] <HoT|2fC^> ok ok, so id need to edit it ?
[17:16] <MartijnVdS> you can add those in grub
[17:17] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok I see
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer#How_to_disable_the_framebuffer describes all
[17:17]  * HoT|2fC^ writes down on paper "vga=normal nomodeset" keynel command line options on boot disc.
[17:17] <HoT|2fC^> MartijnVdS: Thanks man.
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: doesn't have to be on boot disk, works on the installed system/grub as well
[17:18] <HoT|2fC^> Yes but I don't see the GRUB :/
[17:18] <HoT|2fC^> This is my point lol.
[17:18] <naderp> erluz
[17:18] <HoT|2fC^> I get the Out of Range / No Input Signal right away
[17:19] <HoT|2fC^> :/
[17:19] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: do you have another screen you can try?
[17:19] <HoT|2fC^> Yeah but its busted same 17inch LCD @ 75Hz
[17:20] <HoT|2fC^> naderp get ping!
[17:20] <HoT|2fC^> :)
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: did you install sshd during installation?
[17:20] <HoT|2fC^> wth
[17:20] <HoT|2fC^> ermm no :( it asked me a bunch of stuff
[17:20] <HoT|2fC^> I hit DNS dunno why
[17:20] <HoT|2fC^> just confused me that part of the installation.. :\
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: only select the things you actually need.. but DO install an ssh server
[17:21] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: because then, you can ssh in an fix stuff :)
[17:21] <HoT|2fC^> I must reinstall it then
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> sorry
[17:21] <HoT|2fC^> yes very true
[17:21] <HoT|2fC^> I was going to install SSH
[17:21] <HoT|2fC^> but hit DNS \o/
[17:21] <HoT|2fC^> so when I get that message again an my screen goes out of range how do I ssh then haah..
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: after reinstall, yes
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> you ssh in from another machine
[17:23] <HoT|2fC^> noway! lol haha well that will fail
[17:23] <HoT|2fC^> Its connected to the internet but how will I ssh from here on my pc?
[17:23] <HoT|2fC^> leave it on the out of range session ? an go to my PC
[17:23] <HoT|2fC^> I dont get it :)
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: figure out the machine's IP address
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: (usually from the router/dhcp server)
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: then just "ssh host", or on Windows, use putty and select "ssh" and type the IP address
[17:24] <HoT|2fC^> so checky my router no for ip history or IPs that on my network.
[17:24] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok ok
[18:00] <^2fC> hey
[18:01] <^2fC> exit
[18:04] <DJones> !rootirc | HoT|2fC^ I know you've disconnected your other connection, but
[18:18] <Linux_guylol> Hello guys
[18:25] <MartijnVdS> hi Linux_guylol
[18:26] <Linux_guylol> Hi MartijnVds
[18:35]  * AlanBell cracks open a Dark Roast
[18:35] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[18:42] <AlanBell> https://twitter.com/alanbell_libsol/status/360470187566321664
[18:44] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: it's quite dark really ;)
[18:44] <AlanBell> it is
[18:44] <AlanBell> very nice indeed
[18:47] <MartijnVdS> oh wow, the Edge passed 6M
[19:01] <AlanBell> looks like Mark did fine on the reddit thing
[19:01] <arc__> hi guys agin
[19:01] <arc__> hi guys again
[19:01] <AlanBell> I read a fair few of the replies then got bored of clicking for more comments and trying to find out which ones were new
[19:01] <arc__> spelling
[19:03] <arc__> AlanBell:Hi
[19:04] <diddledan> the FSF are raining on the edge parade: https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/will-ubuntu-edge-commit-to-using-only-free-software
[19:04] <directhex> the fsf's job is to rain on parades
[19:04] <AlanBell> they are serial parade rainers
[19:04] <directhex> it's all they do
[19:04] <directhex> mostly free software parades
[19:04] <directhex> fsf approval is typically a kiss of death
[19:05] <arc__> can you get team viewer for ubuntu
[19:05]  * AlanBell wonders what team viewer is
[19:06] <directhex> i assume it's for viewing teams
[19:06] <arc__> i found it for ubuntu
[19:07] <arc__> team viewer is for collaborations or for mass group chat
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> like google hangouts?
[19:08] <arc__> but with screen capture
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> google hangouts do that now
[19:08] <arc__> also how can i install .deb with out opening the ubuntu sc
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> (part of a) screen sharing
[19:08] <arc__> yeah
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> arc__: dpkg -i, possibly followed by "apt-get -f install" if the .deb has dependencies you don't have installed yet
[19:09] <arc__> ok
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> but be warned: if you download a deb manually, there's no signature check
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> so you don't know if the package was modified before you install it
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> so it could contain malware!
[19:10] <AlanBell> or kittens
[19:10] <arc__> i got it stright from the website
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> arc__: that's no guarantee
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> arc__: package archives are signed for a reason
[19:10] <AlanBell> from the interwebs!!
[19:10] <arc__> yes it is :)
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> arc__: no it's not.. is it https or http? do you know the certificating party? do you know the webserver isn't compromised?
[19:11] <arc__> oh snap i have a virus
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> arc__: with package signing, if the web site is compromised, they _can't_ put a bad package on there, because they can't generate the matching signature
[19:11] <AlanBell> heh
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> well they can put the package on there, but apt detects badness
[19:12] <arc__> we should all do one
[19:12] <diddledan> no, you "do one" :-p
[19:13] <diddledan> that's not a nice thing to tell somebody
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> just trying to warn you about the dangers of the internet
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> it's not yet filtered you know
[19:14] <diddledan> soon  will be here in britain
[19:14] <arc__> oh my gosh i am controling  my laptop with my phone
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: poor you
[19:16] <diddledan> it'll be fine, I'll just click the "I'm a pervert" button
[19:16] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I need to go to a Vodafone store for that, as I don't have a UK CC to add to my UK Vodafone account
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: and they only let you do it online if you have a CC on your account
[19:17] <diddledan> hmm
[19:18] <arc__> guy plz get team viewer so we can screen share plz
[19:18] <MartijnVdS> arc__: uh.. no. You wanted team viewer to share your screen with (probably) someone you know..
[19:19] <arc__> you guy are the ubuntu community you are all right
[19:21] <arc__> join 147 404 641
[19:21] <diddledan> WHEEEEE
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> arc__: unlikely
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> \o/ Android 4.3 @ phone
[19:22] <arc__> come on it will be harmless fun
[19:22] <diddledan> it's all harmless fun until the next day when the police turn up to tell you she's only 14
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> arc__: I don't think the regulars in here are likely to install a random deb from a random internet site
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: But she swore she was 12!
[19:23] <diddledan> lol
[19:23] <arc__> then get it from the ubuntu softwere centre
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> no
[19:24] <arc__> oh man
[19:29] <arc__> it has gone quite here
[19:29] <HoT|2fC^> MartijnVdS I edited my Grub an removed the # and added 1024x768 as res an I typed sudo update-grub and rebooted
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: does that work?
[19:30] <HoT|2fC^> still no luck :\ unless grub did not restart properly
[19:30] <HoT|2fC^> nope.
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: because that page specifically says to add the "nomodeset" line
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: so you *should* probably have followed that
[19:30] <HoT|2fC^> nope never added that one :(
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> ohh my every time I boot I cant see anything to do with grub it just says Out of range :(
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> I was in that TTY :\
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> black screen with my name etc..
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: the page I linked describes how to disable the framebuffer
[19:31] <HoT|2fC^> I install irssi as root an said hey and left root :o
[19:31] <MartijnVdS> should ALSO describe how to make grub work
[19:32] <HoT|2fC^> so is it just my res?
[19:32] <HoT|2fC^> what link :>
[19:32] <HoT|2fC^> above?
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> 19:17 < MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^:
[19:32] <MartijnVdS> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FrameBuffer#How_to_disable_the_framebuffer describes all
[19:33] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: this might also help: http://askubuntu.com/questions/161297/why-does-my-screen-blank-out-for-the-duration-of-the-grub-boot-menu
[19:34] <HoT|2fC^> Thats the one :)
[19:35] <HoT|2fC^> I was trying that Ctrl>Alt>F1 and Ctrl>Alt>F2
[19:36] <HoT|2fC^> So Ctrl>Alt>T is to be hit when it says No input singal?
[19:36] <MartijnVdS> no
[19:37] <MartijnVdS> you ssh to the machine once the drive light stops blinking like mad
[19:37] <HoT|2fC^> I cant do that ssh stuff :D
[19:37] <diddledan> note: wait until the drive light starts blinking like mad before you wait for the blinking to stop
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: you can, if you installed sshd
[19:38] <HoT|2fC^> yeah but to hard for me :(
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: nah, just try it :)
[19:39] <HoT|2fC^> yeah but its to much messing around :(
[19:39] <HoT|2fC^> if I was to just put desktop 13.04 on would it work ?
[19:39] <HoT|2fC^> instead of this server one
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: then get a monitor that returns its supported resolutions properly
[19:40] <HoT|2fC^> it works on my PC ?
[19:40] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: probably not, because it's your screen that's saying "I can do X x Y pixels @ Z refresh rate!" while it can't
[19:40] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[19:41] <HoT|2fC^> so once I have sshd installed how do I get into it ?
[19:41] <HoT|2fC^> from the server
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: you do "ssh your_username@ip.of.your.machine"
[19:41] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: or similar using putty (if you're running windows)
[19:41] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok
[19:42] <neuro> here's a point for you
[19:42] <neuro> if you install desktop
[19:42]  * HoT|2fC^ pulls his hair out..
[19:42] <HoT|2fC^> neuro yeah go on.. :)
[19:43] <neuro> X will use up memory that you could have kept for your game server
[19:43] <neuro> this is why you install the server version on servrs
[19:43] <HoT|2fC^> true :)
[19:43] <neuro> you could disable X but that's just as annoying as what you're having to do right now
[19:43] <neuro> get stuff sorted now and it'll pay dividends down the line
[19:43] <neuro> you're doing what sysadmins do aaaaaaaaall the time
[19:43] <HoT|2fC^> true :)
[19:44] <diddledan> not least in educating you on some triage techniques
[19:44] <neuro> :)
[19:44] <HoT|2fC^> :}
[19:44] <HoT|2fC^> so when I install ubuntu server it asks me about the core on the system an I should select what I want to install
[19:44] <diddledan> btw, we've hit 6meelions
[19:45] <HoT|2fC^> so I would do SSH yes?
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: *\o/*
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: you install Ubuntu Server, and in one of the last screens, you select "SSH Server" or "OpenSSH Server" (I forget which one is on there, there is only one)
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: it has other options, like "LAMP server" etc, but you can keep those disabled
[19:46] <HoT|2fC^> Yeah asks that to
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> that's the same screen :)
[19:46] <HoT|2fC^> So once I have installed that, does it ask to configure it ?
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> ssh doesn't require configuration by default
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> all you need to do is figure out the IP of the machine, then you can "ssh" to it, using the username&password you created during installation
[19:47] <HoT|2fC^> ok thanks I will give it ago :o
[19:49] <HoT|2fC^> Why is ubuntu forum down?
[19:49] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: that's explained on the page you see when you go there
[19:51] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[19:51] <HoT|2fC^> I just go off it all the time :)
[20:22] <AlanBell> anyone know if there is an awesome touchpad competing with the apple magic touchpad that works with Ubuntu?
[20:25] <mgdm> the magic touchpad works with ubuntu, I've never seen any others though
[20:26] <mgdm> it works, but the sensitivity for all the gestures is not set up right
[20:31] <AlanBell> http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/mac-trackpad that looks interesting
[20:32] <mgdm> why not the Apple one? Or just because it's Apple?
[20:33] <AlanBell> I am considering the apple one
[20:33] <AlanBell> but I heard it wasn't quite right
[20:34] <mgdm> It's not quite right in that the configuration for the gesture stuff isn't quite there, but I suspect that will be true of most touchpads
[20:36] <AlanBell> I am surprised there are not more to select from
[20:36] <AlanBell> given the diversity of mouse options
[20:37] <mgdm> give it a couple of years, i'm sure there will be
[20:56]  * neuro hugs his magic trackpad
[20:56] <diddledan> time for bed
[20:57] <neuro> at 10pm?
[20:57] <neuro> blimeh
[20:57] <neuro> you have more willpower than me :)
[20:57] <diddledan> lol
[20:57] <diddledan> actually, it's that I don't have the willpower in the morning
[20:57] <neuro> i know that feeling
[20:58] <neuro> i have six separate alarms on my phone that go off to wake me up
[20:58] <diddledan> youch
[20:58] <neuro> four from an alarm clock app and two from the iphone's built in alarm
[20:59] <diddledan> I need an alarm that won't turn off until I've left the home :-p
[20:59] <neuro> i had this waking me up at one point
[20:59] <neuro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7tdyj8LgoY
[21:00] <neuro> after 15 seconds it goes from weird ambient noise to annoying
[21:01] <neuro> after 35 seconds it goes into full on WAAAAAH mode
[21:01] <linux-guy> Hi again it's nimesh
[21:01] <linux-guy> Aka arc__
[21:01] <diddledan> isn't there supposed to be a rule over changing your nickname randomly?
[21:02] <linux-guy> My phone says that my normal nickname is taken
[21:02] <linux-guy> So
[21:03] <linux-guy> I dunno
[21:03] <linux-guy> Late night ubuntu time
[21:03] <neuro> i forgot how epic this track was
[21:03] <neuro> anyone walking past my door will get freaked out
[21:04] <diddledan> I've still got it playing too
[21:04] <linux-guy> Why
[21:04] <neuro> :)
[21:04] <neuro> Richard James FTW
[21:04] <mgdm> Oh, I might have known it was him
[21:04] <neuro> aye
[21:04] <linux-guy> Oh ok
[21:05] <neuro> it's like listening to an aphex twin track while having your face smashed in by a sledgehammer
[21:05] <linux-guy> Lol
[21:05] <mgdm> I can see the resemblance
[21:05] <neuro> it's brilliant
[21:05] <neuro> 6 minutes of earmash
[21:06] <neuro> good driving music too ;)
[21:06] <neuro> as long as you're not driving
[21:06] <diddledan> damn, it finished
[21:06] <neuro> otherwise speeeeeding tiiiiiiickeeeeet
[21:06] <diddledan> I need it to carry on!
[21:06] <linux-guy> Cool
[21:06] <neuro> someone needs to do one of those 10 hour youtube remixes
[21:06] <diddledan> it's like heroin for your ears
[21:06] <neuro> but in a good way :)
[21:06] <diddledan> yeah
[21:07] <neuro> actually let me find the youtube video where i first found the track
[21:07] <diddledan> makes the ol' heartbeat a bit faster
[21:07] <linux-guy> You do it then
[21:07] <linux-guy> Make the vid
[21:07] <neuro> got it
[21:07] <neuro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naIWWNxF1DQ
[21:07] <neuro> this guy did an epic epic dogfight video
[21:07] <neuro> blended live action with MS Flight Sim footage
[21:07] <neuro> music suits it to a tee
[21:08]  * mgdm puts on something a little less brutal
[21:08] <linux-guy> Rank youtube fc
[21:08] <neuro> the pause and then the drop after the jets merge is immense
[21:08] <linux-guy> Damm you auto correction
[21:08] <neuro> mgdm: you should watch that second vid
[21:09] <mgdm> neuro: mungbean: was in Hobbycraft earlier. Damn near bought a pile of Airfix. :D
[21:09] <neuro> :)
[21:09] <mgdm> (I'll be back at the weekend maybe after PAYDAY)
[21:09] <neuro> sadly i gave up with models years ago
[21:09] <neuro> i really should get Flaming Cliffs 3 though
[21:10] <mgdm> heh, love the 'bullet time' thing
[21:10] <neuro> :)
[21:10]  * mgdm looks at MadHacker's blu ray copy of the Matrix, sitting to his left
[21:10] <neuro> i watched that last week, randomly
[21:11] <linux-guy> Matrix is awesome
[21:11] <neuro> was tempted to do reloaded as well but then came to my senses
[21:11] <mgdm> hehe
[21:12] <linux-guy> Why not watch reloaded
[21:12] <neuro> got a few movies stacked up to watch at some point
[21:12] <neuro> watched fast and furious 6 the other night
[21:12] <neuro> ho boy
[21:13] <neuro> had to disengage brain *a lot* for that one
[21:13] <linux-guy> Pacific rim is good to see
[21:15] <mgdm> last film I saw in the cinema was.... Despicable Me 2 \o/
[21:15] <neuro> BANANA!
[21:15] <neuro> last one i saw was the hobbit
[21:15] <mgdm> Though I did get a blu ray set of the original crew Star Trek films the other day
[21:16] <neuro> gah
[21:16] <mgdm> So now I have two BD copies of TWoK, but as far as I'm concerned you can't have too many of those
[21:16] <neuro> bloody things
[21:16] <neuro> :)
[21:16] <neuro> i just wish there had been some foresight with the directors edition of TMp
[21:16] <neuro> there will never be an HD version without redoing it all over again
[21:17] <linux-guy> I hate star trek
[21:17] <neuro> Foundation Imaging did all the CG in standard def :(
[21:17] <neuro> so the HD remasters for blu ray were of the theatrical release
[21:18] <linux-guy> Star wars for the win
[21:18] <neuro> not sure if TWoK BD is theatrical or special edition
[21:18] <neuro> mgdm: i bet if you're anything like me you have a ton of copies of blade runner ;)
[21:19] <mgdm> I have one, actually
[21:19] <neuro> bah
[21:19] <neuro> i've lost count
[21:19] <linux-guy> New X-Men film coming out wolverine
[21:19] <mgdm> the 'ultimate final ever cut' or some such
[21:20] <neuro> vhs theatrical, dvd directors cut, dvd final cut box set, hd-dvd final cut, bd final cut ...
[21:20] <mgdm> the DVD final cut
[21:20] <mgdm> which cost me £3 in Tesco
[21:20] <mgdm> \o/
[21:20] <neuro> wow
[21:20] <neuro> i went hunting for the tin box set when it came out
[21:21] <neuro> ended up in a blockbuster in bailleston just as they were closing
[21:22] <neuro> saw it in a cinema in san francisco the next week tho \o/
[21:23] <mgdm> nice
[21:23] <mgdm> I saw TWoK in the GFT, though I think it was a DVD :-)
[21:23] <neuro> embarcadero center if i remember correctly
[21:23] <neuro> was amzing to finally see it in a movie theatre
[21:23] <neuro> wat? :)
[21:23] <mgdm> the GFT had it on last year some time
[21:23] <mgdm> but I'm not sure what the source was
[21:24] <neuro> i almost did the st marathon in the gft around when generations came out
[21:24] <neuro> i did do the alien trilogy there tho :)
[21:24] <mgdm> nice
[21:24] <diddledan> the gft?
[21:24] <neuro> glasgow film theatre
[21:24] <diddledan> aah
[21:24] <mgdm> I would have done that for ST but I'd not ever been to Glasgow by that point
[21:24] <neuro> our local indie movie house
[21:25] <mgdm> and I was 11 when Generations came out
[21:25] <neuro> I FEEL OLD
[21:25] <neuro> i was 19 :P
[21:25] <mgdm> \oo//
[21:25] <neuro> no wait
[21:25] <mgdm> ^ zaphod emoticon
[21:25] <neuro> when did generations come out again?
[21:25] <mgdm> 1994
[21:25] <neuro> 93?
[21:25] <neuro> 94
[21:25] <neuro> oh yeah, they started filming it a fortnight after they wrapped the tng series finale :)
[21:25] <diddledan> I was 11 too, then
[21:25] <neuro> so i was 20
[21:26] <neuro> saw it in the grosvenor
[21:26] <neuro> mgdm: you been there since it's been all done up?
[21:26] <neuro> it's *lovely*
[21:27] <neuro> you can buy a beer in the bar and take it in with you \o/
[21:27] <neuro> massive leather seats
[21:27] <neuro> sofas up the back
[21:27] <mgdm> neuro: is that very recent?
[21:27] <neuro> i think they opened back up a few years ago?
[21:28] <neuro> first time i'd been in was for the hobbit
[21:28] <neuro> they were doing a meal + movie deal
[21:28] <mgdm> ah, then yes, I have only been in Glasgow since 2010 so it'd be well after that :)
[21:28] <neuro> go upstairs to the restaurant for food, then nip down to the bar then one of the two screens
[21:28] <neuro> http://www.grosvenorcafe.co.uk/
[21:32] <mgdm> do not attempt to film police in Sweden, it's terrifying what happens: http://www.wimp.com/swedenpolice/
[22:16]  * ^2fC is still pulling his hair out...
[22:16] <^2fC> Think I will call it a day *\o/*
[23:54] <roger_> hi just checking connection
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