[10:26] elfy, can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Alpha2/Xubuntu [12:26] ochosi, ping [12:27] bug 1204486 [12:27] bug 1204486 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "Unable to select alternate languages at login screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204486 [12:32] ochosi, also, theming fail: http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/saucy_testing/bug_greeter_shutdown_popup.png [12:33] ochosi, and don't tell me i didn't inform you well before the finel release. :) [12:44] gotta go, be back way later [12:45] have fun [13:59] Hi, knome. I just did a MP for the P docs with the three suggested changes from the reviewers. [14:38] jjfrv8, cheers! [14:38] Hey [14:53] i'll look at the MP in a minute [14:55] jjfrv8, "next paragraph" isn't really accurate [14:56] jjfrv8, i would be more comfortable with "subsection" or so [15:00] knome, yeah, I puzzled over that one for a while. Thought about making it a link, but it was too close. I can make it "subsection". [15:01] if you would do that, would be cool [15:01] i'm happy with the other stuff and can merge once you re-submit the MP [15:01] NP [15:02] MP, NP, ... :) [15:04] :D [15:22] knome, MP with revision is up there. [15:26] jjfrv8, now that we use the term subsection, what do you say on removing "next" ? [15:27] That's better. Will do. [15:36] Done [15:39] btw, did you know you could've just updated the same branch and re-submit the same MP? [15:40] No, did not know that. Will try to remember that for next time. Thanks. [15:40] if you want, you can try that now [15:41] Ok [15:47] repushed and resubmitted [15:48] great! [15:50] Shall I delete the two unnecessary MPs? [15:51] sure [15:51] approved, merged and pushed to main branch [15:51] :) [15:58] Okay, I think it's all cleaned up [15:58] yup, awesome [15:58] Sorry for the extra work [15:58] absolutely no problem [15:59] Gotta go now, day job is calling. But I am working on getting an irc server set up. [15:59] okay, have fun [15:59] (and you can also ask pleia2 for a shell if you want to go the easier way) [16:01] I don't know all the pros and cons of the different ways of doing it but I don't want to have to leave my desktop running all the time [16:01] sure. using pleia2's server will allow you that [16:01] basically, it's the same as setting up or buying a shell [16:02] except you don't set up anything and it's free. [16:02] knome: what version of the greeter is that? 1.6? [16:02] ochosi, whatever is in saucy [16:02] (and: what version of greybird) [16:02] ^ [16:02] same [16:02] cause that bug has been addressed in git [16:02] no git stuff, just what's in saucy [16:02] which one? [16:02] the theming, or the lock-fail? [16:02] the shutdown-dialog theming [16:03] i was hoping the other :) [16:03] but okay. [16:03] i'll not file a bug about that then (i thought you'd know about it by now) [16:03] do you think you could get working on the locking issue soon? [16:04] what locking issue? [16:04] (we will release alpha 2 with that bug in, but would be great if that was solved by betas) [16:04] ochosi, bug 1204486 [16:04] bug 1204486 in LightDM GTK+ Greeter "Unable to select alternate languages at login screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1204486 [16:04] ochosi, see my comments on the bug [16:05] aha [16:05] yeah, didn't know about that one [16:05] yup [16:05] bluesabre: seems we have to fix a greeter-bug ^ [16:06] awwh, the news tell that a bird in finland has 1000+ fans on facebook [16:06] news fail [16:06] yes, a single unit of bird, not a species [16:26] a popular bird then [16:26] maybe Greybird? [16:26] har har [16:26] lderan, just some "orphan" [16:27] whistler [16:27] ah one of those news stories [16:28] yup, that's why i referred is as a news fail :P [16:34] ochosi, btw, in saucy, the lock screen was still xscreensaver... [16:35] ochosi, are you going to get the lightdm lockscreen in? [16:35] knome: yeah, i'm not surprised. so far we've only done a dev-release of light-locker [16:35] so far there are a few bugreports that we'll address in the first release [16:35] and then we can get it in (with mr_pouit and micahg's help i hope) [16:36] ochosi, good - if you miss 13.10 it's not too bad, but i'd *really* like to get that in for 14.04 [16:36] mm, same here [16:36] have you tested it yet? [16:36] (there's a ppa) [16:36] ochosi, was there some progress on the gtk-theme-chooser and the display dialog? [16:36] no, not yet [16:36] ppa for raring or saucy? [16:36] display-dialog is kinda up to mr_pouit [16:36] both raring and saucy i think [16:36] okay [16:36] cause the display-dialog hasn't seen a stable release (which would be xfce4.12) [16:37] i might test it in saucy, unless you need some real hardware testing [16:37] nah, i guess both is fine [16:37] ok, i'll do that the next time i run a test or so [16:37] gtk-theme-config is still on micahg's list (i hope) [16:37] cool, thanks [16:37] oki, great to hear there's something going on [16:37] need to start pulling the strings together for 14.04 [16:38] would love to have a totally integrated-looking system [16:40] :) [16:40] sounds good :) [17:05] knome: this fail http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds/49672/testcases/1303/results can't be - we don't have usb-creator as a default app afaik - that's using a supposedly agnostic testcase - that testcase I have reported a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1198466 [17:05] Ubuntu bug 1198466 in Ubuntu Manual Tests "Live Session Testcase calls for Startup Disk Creator" [Undecided,New] [17:07] elfy, the persistence part needs that [17:07] elfy, see -quality, where i'm just discussing this in a more general tone with balloons [17:08] ok - will do shortly [17:35] bbiab [17:38] k [17:38] 'hopefully' I'm about [18:23] i'm back! [18:25] knome: I'm a bit tied up at the moment - but I'd like to try and sort out stopping things like a2 from disappearing - it'd great for ubuntu - but I'd love to be able to hold it for us - we have less testers [18:25] I know it used to drive me nuts when I was just testing - even worse now [18:25] elfy, disappearing in what sense? [18:25] run out of time [18:26] elfy, once we've marked stuff ready, you can't *report* more stuff [18:26] elfy, and marking things ready is the prerequisite of releasing [18:26] oic - so we could just not mark it? [18:26] is it really that simple? [18:26] well, no [18:26] we need to mark them ready.. [18:26] but the good thing is [18:26] you can always report against the saucy dailies [18:27] yea - I realise that and that a2 is just 'that' daily [18:27] milestones live their own life and the point of marking the images done is to not make the release mangers life a pain [18:28] ok [18:28] more thought needed here - though I guess next time as we participated we'll not get forgotten [18:28] elfy, the "Saucy Daily" milestone has the exact same images than alpha2 [18:28] I know :) [18:28] (and same tests) [18:29] then just report against the daily! :) [18:29] yea [18:29] perhaps I'm seeing issues were there isn't any [18:30] i'm thinking that's the case [18:30] :) [18:30] in the case we wanted more time for image testing for a milestone, we simply should ask for more time before the release manager releases [18:30] or request a respin if something is really brokwn [18:30] *broken [18:30] that way we'll get *some* additional time automatically [18:30] I'm possibly trying to apply methodology from work areas [18:30] but that also puts our testers under pressure [18:31] mhm [18:31] ok - I'll worry less about that and more about other things :) [18:31] the alpha milestones in the tracker are just created to 1) get an image that isn't updated for X days 2) track where flavors are regarding releasing [18:31] I don't want to put any testers under pressure ;) [18:31] well sometimes a respin is the only/best option, but not this time [18:32] there were clearly bugs in the images, but not something we could have fixed today [18:32] so either we said "ok release anyway" or "we don't want to release, but go ahead with the rest" [18:32] yep - I get that, it's the X days ... if ubuntu have 500 testers - 5 days is great, loads of tests - if we have 20 testers then not so good [18:32] is my position [18:33] I'm trying to find a way to get a bit more coverage on tests [18:33] sure. [18:34] i told to "freeze" our images as soon as somebody asked when we wanted to do that [18:34] just start being noisy in #ubuntu-release X days before beta 1 about "freezing" our images again [18:34] having never done it - I was a bit at sea [18:34] yea - realising that now lol [18:35] (that also means all developers should deliver their stuff one week before the beta, so puts some more pressure on them - but not huge) [18:35] yea [18:35] trying to find the balance is key [18:35] actually 1 week before is the beta freeze day anyway so the developers are expected that :P [18:35] :) [18:36] I'm thinking that the 14.04 cycle will go much better - I'm not going to be learning as well [18:36] sure :) [19:33] bbl === holstein_ is now known as holstein [23:20] I'm working on the post-installation test case. How do you test USB devices from within virtualbox? [23:21] Need the extension pack, as far as I know. [23:22] vb extension pack? [23:27] I'm installing the guest additions now, we'll see if that does it. [23:35] Had to enable usb controller in machine settings and add myself to vboxusers on the host, don't think I needed guest additions [23:38] pleia2, dum dum... [23:38] :) [23:39] Ok, so for "Post-installation (Xubuntu) in Xubuntu Desktop amd64 for Saucy Daily" everything ran flawlessly except that ubuntu software center crashed on the first try. It hasn't crashed since though. Should I go through the whole process again and see if it crashed on first launch? [23:39] if it crashed, it crashed [23:39] report a bug (no need to go back) [23:40] Ok, thanks.