[10:26] <knome> elfy, can you update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/Alpha2/Xubuntu
[12:26] <knome> ochosi, ping
[12:27] <knome> bug 1204486
[12:32] <knome> ochosi, also, theming fail: http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/saucy_testing/bug_greeter_shutdown_popup.png
[12:33] <knome> ochosi, and don't tell me i didn't inform you well before the finel release. :)
[12:44] <bluesabre> gotta go, be back way later
[12:45] <knome> have fun
[13:59] <jjfrv8> Hi, knome. I just did a MP for the P docs with the three suggested changes from the reviewers.
[14:38] <knome> jjfrv8, cheers!
[14:38] <jjfrv8> Hey
[14:53] <knome> i'll look at the MP in a minute
[14:55] <knome> jjfrv8, "next paragraph" isn't really accurate
[14:56] <knome> jjfrv8, i would be more comfortable with "subsection" or so
[15:00] <jjfrv8> knome, yeah, I puzzled over that one for a while. Thought about making it a link, but it was too close. I can make it "subsection".
[15:01] <knome> if you would do that, would be cool
[15:01] <knome> i'm happy with the other stuff and can merge once you re-submit the MP
[15:01] <jjfrv8> NP
[15:02] <knome> MP, NP, ... :)
[15:04] <jjfrv8> :D
[15:22] <jjfrv8> knome, MP with revision is up there.
[15:26] <knome> jjfrv8, now that we use the term subsection, what do you say on removing "next" ?
[15:27] <jjfrv8> That's better.  Will do.
[15:36] <jjfrv8> Done
[15:39] <knome> btw, did you know you could've just updated the same branch and re-submit the same MP?
[15:40] <jjfrv8> No, did not know that. Will try to remember that for next time.  Thanks.
[15:40] <knome> if you want, you can try that now
[15:41] <jjfrv8> Ok
[15:47] <jjfrv8> repushed and resubmitted
[15:48] <knome> great!
[15:50] <jjfrv8> Shall I delete the two unnecessary MPs?
[15:51] <knome> sure
[15:51] <knome> approved, merged and pushed to main branch
[15:51] <jjfrv8> :)
[15:58] <jjfrv8> Okay, I think it's all cleaned up
[15:58] <knome> yup, awesome
[15:58] <jjfrv8> Sorry for the extra work
[15:58] <knome> absolutely no problem
[15:59] <jjfrv8> Gotta go now, day job is calling. But I am working on getting an irc server set up.
[15:59] <knome> okay, have fun
[15:59] <knome> (and you can also ask pleia2 for a shell if you want to go the easier way)
[16:01] <jjfrv8> I don't know all the pros and cons of the different ways of doing it but I don't want to have to leave my desktop running all the time
[16:01] <knome> sure. using pleia2's server will allow you that
[16:01] <knome> basically, it's the same as setting up or buying a shell
[16:02] <knome> except you don't set up anything and it's free.
[16:02] <ochosi> knome: what version of the greeter is that? 1.6?
[16:02] <knome> ochosi, whatever is in saucy
[16:02] <ochosi> (and: what version of greybird)
[16:02] <knome> ^
[16:02] <knome> same
[16:02] <ochosi> cause that bug has been addressed in git
[16:02] <knome> no git stuff, just what's in saucy
[16:02] <knome> which one?
[16:02] <knome> the theming, or the lock-fail?
[16:02] <ochosi> the shutdown-dialog theming
[16:03] <knome> i was hoping the other :)
[16:03] <knome> but okay.
[16:03] <knome> i'll not file a bug about that then (i thought you'd know about it by now)
[16:03] <knome> do you think you could get working on the locking issue soon?
[16:04] <ochosi> what locking issue?
[16:04] <knome> (we will release alpha 2 with that bug in, but would be great if that was solved by betas)
[16:04] <knome> ochosi, bug 1204486
[16:04] <knome> ochosi, see my comments on the bug
[16:05] <ochosi> aha
[16:05] <ochosi> yeah, didn't know about that one
[16:05] <knome> yup
[16:05] <ochosi> bluesabre: seems we have to fix a greeter-bug ^
[16:06] <knome> awwh, the news tell that a bird in finland has 1000+ fans on facebook
[16:06] <knome> news fail
[16:06] <knome> yes, a single unit of bird, not a species
[16:26] <lderan> a popular bird then
[16:26] <ochosi> maybe Greybird?
[16:26] <knome> har har
[16:26] <knome> lderan, just some "orphan"
[16:27] <knome> whistler
[16:27] <lderan> ah one of those news stories
[16:28] <knome> yup, that's why i referred is as a news fail :P
[16:34] <knome> ochosi, btw, in saucy, the lock screen was still xscreensaver...
[16:35] <knome> ochosi, are you going to get the lightdm lockscreen in?
[16:35] <ochosi> knome: yeah, i'm not surprised. so far we've only done a dev-release of light-locker
[16:35] <ochosi> so far there are a few bugreports that we'll address in the first release
[16:35] <ochosi> and then we can get it in (with mr_pouit and micahg's help i hope)
[16:36] <knome> ochosi, good - if you miss 13.10 it's not too bad, but i'd *really* like to get that in for 14.04
[16:36] <ochosi> mm, same here
[16:36] <ochosi> have you tested it yet?
[16:36] <ochosi> (there's a ppa)
[16:36] <knome> ochosi, was there some progress on the gtk-theme-chooser and the display dialog?
[16:36] <knome> no, not yet
[16:36] <knome> ppa for raring or saucy?
[16:36] <ochosi> display-dialog is kinda up to mr_pouit 
[16:36] <ochosi> both raring and saucy i think
[16:36] <knome> okay
[16:36] <ochosi> cause the display-dialog hasn't seen a stable release (which would be xfce4.12)
[16:37] <knome> i might test it in saucy, unless you need some real hardware testing
[16:37] <ochosi> nah, i guess both is fine
[16:37] <knome> ok, i'll do that the next time i run a test or so
[16:37] <ochosi> gtk-theme-config is still on micahg's list (i hope)
[16:37] <ochosi> cool, thanks
[16:37] <knome> oki, great to hear there's something going on
[16:37] <knome> need to start pulling the strings together for 14.04
[16:38] <knome> would love to have a totally integrated-looking system
[16:40] <knome> :)
[16:40] <ochosi> sounds good :)
[17:05] <elfy> knome: this fail http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/299/builds/49672/testcases/1303/results can't be - we don't have usb-creator as a default app afaik - that's using a supposedly agnostic testcase - that testcase I have reported a bug against https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-tests/+bug/1198466
[17:07] <knome> elfy, the persistence part needs that
[17:07] <knome> elfy, see -quality, where i'm just discussing this in a more general tone with balloons
[17:08] <elfy> ok - will do shortly 
[17:35] <knome> bbiab
[17:38] <elfy> k
[17:38] <elfy> 'hopefully' I'm about 
[18:23] <knome> i'm back!
[18:25] <elfy> knome: I'm a bit tied up at the moment - but I'd like to try and sort out stopping things like a2 from disappearing - it'd great for ubuntu - but I'd love to be able to hold it for us - we have less testers
[18:25] <elfy> I know it used to drive me nuts when I was just testing - even worse now
[18:25] <knome> elfy, disappearing in what sense?
[18:25] <elfy> run out of time 
[18:26] <knome> elfy, once we've marked stuff ready, you can't *report* more stuff
[18:26] <knome> elfy, and marking things ready is the prerequisite of releasing
[18:26] <elfy> oic - so we could just not mark it? 
[18:26] <elfy> is it really that simple? 
[18:26] <knome> well, no
[18:26] <knome> we need to mark them ready..
[18:26] <knome> but the good thing is
[18:26] <knome> you can always report against the saucy dailies
[18:27] <elfy> yea - I realise that and that a2 is just 'that' daily 
[18:27] <knome> milestones live their own life and the point of marking the images done is to not make the release mangers life a pain
[18:28] <elfy> ok
[18:28] <elfy> more thought needed here - though I guess next time as we participated we'll not get forgotten
[18:28] <knome> elfy, the "Saucy Daily" milestone has the exact same images than alpha2
[18:28] <elfy> I know :)
[18:28] <knome> (and same tests)
[18:29] <knome> then just report against the daily! :)
[18:29] <elfy> yea 
[18:29] <elfy> perhaps I'm seeing issues were there isn't any 
[18:30] <knome> i'm thinking that's the case
[18:30] <elfy> :)
[18:30] <knome> in the case we wanted more time for image testing for a milestone, we simply should ask for more time before the release manager releases
[18:30] <knome> or request a respin if something is really brokwn
[18:30] <knome> *broken
[18:30] <knome> that way we'll get *some* additional time automatically
[18:30] <elfy> I'm possibly trying to apply methodology from work areas
[18:30] <knome> but that also puts our testers under pressure
[18:31] <knome> mhm
[18:31] <elfy> ok - I'll worry less about that and more about other things :)
[18:31] <knome> the alpha milestones in the tracker are just created to 1) get an image that isn't updated for X days 2) track where flavors are regarding releasing
[18:31] <elfy> I don't want to put any testers under pressure ;)
[18:31] <knome> well sometimes a respin is the only/best option, but not this time
[18:32] <knome> there were clearly bugs in the images, but not something we could have fixed today
[18:32] <knome> so either we said "ok release anyway" or "we don't want to release, but go ahead with the rest"
[18:32] <elfy> yep - I get that, it's the X days ... if ubuntu have 500 testers - 5 days is great, loads of tests - if we have 20 testers then not so good 
[18:32] <elfy> is my position
[18:33] <elfy> I'm trying to find a way to get a bit more coverage on tests
[18:33] <knome> sure.
[18:34] <knome> i told to "freeze" our images as soon as somebody asked when we wanted to do that
[18:34] <knome> just start being noisy in #ubuntu-release X days before beta 1 about "freezing" our images again
[18:34] <elfy> having never done it - I was a bit at sea
[18:34] <elfy> yea - realising that now lol 
[18:35] <knome> (that also means all developers should deliver their stuff one week before the beta, so puts some more pressure on them - but not huge)
[18:35] <elfy> yea
[18:35] <elfy> trying to find the balance is key
[18:35] <knome> actually 1 week before is the beta freeze day anyway so the developers are expected that :P
[18:35] <elfy> :)
[18:36] <elfy> I'm thinking that the 14.04 cycle will go much better - I'm not going to be learning as well
[18:36] <knome> sure :)
[19:33] <knome> bbl
[23:20] <ganglere1> I'm working on the post-installation test case. How do you test USB devices from within virtualbox?
[23:21] <Unit193> Need the extension pack, as far as I know.
[23:22] <ganglere1> vb extension pack?
[23:27] <ganglere1> I'm installing the guest additions now, we'll see if that does it.
[23:35] <ganglere> Had to enable usb controller in machine settings and add myself to vboxusers on the host, don't think I needed guest additions
[23:38] <knome> pleia2, dum dum...
[23:38] <knome> :)
[23:39] <ganglere> Ok, so for "Post-installation (Xubuntu) in Xubuntu Desktop amd64 for Saucy Daily" everything ran flawlessly except that ubuntu software center crashed on the first try. It hasn't crashed since though. Should I go through the whole process again and see if it crashed on first launch?
[23:39] <knome> if it crashed, it crashed
[23:39] <knome> report a bug (no need to go back)
[23:40] <ganglere> Ok, thanks.