[00:46] ::workspace-bugs:: [1180470] "Window title" text box disabled in Window-Specific Settings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180470 (by Ibrahim M. Ghazal) [04:04] Quintasan: Better to do it for 13.10 than make the switch in an LTS cycle. === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [07:27] good morning === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [11:20] wibble, amarok doesn't start for me [11:20] or it starts but doesn't show anything on screen [11:21] Riddell: do you use amarok? [11:21] i mean like default audio player? [11:21] sure [11:21] what else would I use? [11:24] juk? :D [11:24] Riddell: vlc [11:24] (ok, ok, I relent, I use VLC) [11:24] didn't that go out with the naughties? [11:24] vlc doesn't have any playlist [11:24] Riddell: sure it has [11:24] amarok is FAR too heavy for a simple media player [11:25] Riddell: it has, how far behind are you? :D [11:25] it's not supposed to be a simple media player, it's supposed to let you rediscover your music [11:25] I can go vlc * in a directories with an album in and it'll play it [11:25] that's pretty limited [11:25] Riddell: :D ok ok here it is :P http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/26/plasma-desktopbS2257.png [11:26] mm, no list there [11:27] Riddell: do you mean this list ? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/26/plasma-desktopgk2257.png [11:28] any easy way to add things to that? [11:29] Riddell: drag and drop [11:29] Riddell: and my service menu vlc append [11:36] I find it mildly funny we are trying to get Riddell to switch to some non kde sw... :P [11:40] drag and drop from where? I want my collection on the right hand side [11:43] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.10.97_saucy.html not bad not bad [13:01] Riddell: on right you can see media library [13:01] left [13:01] * [13:06] ScottK: http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/07/25/obama-promises-disappear-from-web/ [13:12] Hey folks [13:13] ::workspace-bugs:: [1195723] 13.10 Alpha-2 Plasma Netbook Interface has no favorites @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195723 (by Marco Parillo) [13:13] Riddell: eh, vlc has a collection [13:13] and playlist [13:13] and only resource support [13:13] and upnp support [13:13] .... [13:14] s/only/online [13:18] Peace-: that's not a collection, that's a list [13:30] talking of music players, tomahawk crashing for me [13:35] what version of tomahawk? [13:35] I'll try to package 0.7 for the archive over the weekend [13:40] Riddell: media library is not a list, well it technically is, except it's a media library... [13:44] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-launchpad-branches/launchpad-buildd/trunk/revision/58 :O [13:46] yofel: 0.6.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu3 [13:46] yofel: hurray? [13:46] no silly ~raring1 now [13:46] yep :) [13:46] Riddell: mhm, there's 0.7 in tomahawk/ppa if you want to try it [13:48] * Riddell tries it [13:49] hm, we don't compile kdelibs with -fPIE [13:49] https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+build/4825511 [13:49] ......................... [13:49] shadeslayer: what does PIE mean? [13:49] yofel: [13:49] Riddell: Position Independent Executable [13:49] Riddell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position-independent_code [13:50] apachelogger: wtf? [13:50] I am tempted to think that qmake is even more shit than python [13:50] "Started 20 hours ago" holy guacamole [13:50] haha [13:50] apachelogger: everyone thinks that except the qmake maintainer [13:50] shadeslayer: isn't -fPIE default on amd64? [13:50] weren't they switching to QBS [13:51] yofel: I don't see it https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145471384/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.kde4libs_4%3A4.10.95-0ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz [13:51] ahhh, cancelled builds of course have no log [13:51] weeh [13:51] cmake does say that it has FPIE support [13:51] but g++ doesn't seem to be called with that? [13:52] oh, I mixed that up with fPIC [13:52] shadeslayer: looking at the gcc manpage, why would you *want* to build with fPIE? [13:53] yofel: apparently Qt uses it for some reaon, and it seems to be useful for shared libraries? [13:54] * yofel is clueless [13:55] ? [13:55] PIE? [13:56] apachelogger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position-independent_code [13:56] yeah [13:56] what about it [13:56] apachelogger: any reason not to have it in kdelibs? ( seems to be a useful option for libraries? ) [13:57] ask dfaure? [13:57] yofel: tomahawk 0.7 crashes for me too [13:57] :( [13:57] will do [13:57] I personally do not see the benefit unless you actually manually do ASM somewhere [13:58] are you saying Qt does ASM somewhere? :O [13:58] an MMU pretty much solves waht PIC/PIE was meant to do originally [13:58] shadeslayer: I am actually reasonable certain qstring has asm bits [13:58] :O [13:59] * shadeslayer looks [14:00] shadeslayer: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/blobs/HEAD/src/corelib/arch/qatomic_x86.h [14:00] I see [14:01] well, makes sense then [14:01] lets check if kdelibs has asm code [14:01] just ask dfaure or send a mail to kde-core-devel? :P [14:03] hm [14:03] a bit of grepping shows : ./solid/solid/backends/shared/cpufeatures.cpp: [14:03] eh [14:03] #define ASM_MOV_REG(reg1, reg2) "movl %%e"reg1", %%e"reg2" \n\t" [14:17] PIC doesn't help that bit at all [14:18] apachelogger: I see [14:19] I'm not completly sure if it would be beneficial, just curious whether we should / should not enable it [14:41] anyone fancy testing wireless support in ubiquity? [14:42] code is in lp:~agateau/ubiquity/kde-wireless2 [14:42] sure [14:42] oh [14:42] wait [14:42] not proposed for merge yet as it depends on lp:~agateau/ubiquity/nm-split getting in [14:42] VBox doesn't have wireless stuff [14:42] agateau: can it be run from a local installed machine? [14:43] shadeslayer: I was able to test it with a usb wifi adapter [14:43] or does it need a live image? [14:43] why a usb wifi adapter? [14:43] shadeslayer: by installing the closed-source extension [14:43] hm [14:43] oh in virtualbox [14:43] Riddell: yes [14:44] Riddell: you can test part the networkmanager widget from your local machine, but it's not exactly a complete test [14:44] anyway, it can be done with cd where/ubiquity/src/is ; PYTHONPATH=$PWD python3 ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/nmwidgets.py [14:44] as root [14:46] first known problem is the entry in the sidebar is empty: it is waiting for a proper translated text. The text is declared in debian/ubiquity.template but I haven't looked into how to install that [14:56] shadeslayer: you looking at it? [14:56] Riddell: still branching [14:58] grrr [14:58] somehow kio_file is screwed up [14:58] I keep getting "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave: [14:58] klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file'." [14:59] probably because I rebooted in the middle of a upgrade :( [15:14] shadeslayer: that's why I said ask david or the mailing list.... [15:15] apachelogger: david has no idea [15:15] which is a first for me :) [15:41] uhm [15:42] ahem [15:42] well, I'm seeing some minor video issues [15:43] when the titlebar text changes, it is green for some duration [16:57] nepomuk-core-runtime: postinst-must-call-ldconfig usr/lib/libnepomukextractor.so [16:57] why does dh_makeshlibs not add that? [16:57] is it the package name isn't libfoo? [17:03] oh it'll be because it's unversioned === Guest15352 is now known as jacky === jacky is now known as jalcine [17:10] >ldd /usr/lib/libakonadi-kabc.so.4.11.0 statically linked [17:10] wibble that's not supposed to happen [17:17] hi [17:18] * Riddell high fives himself over the amount of green on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.10.97_saucy.html [17:18] anyone able to test it? then I'll upload [17:18] !testers | 4.10.97 in ninjas [17:18] 4.10.97 in ninjas: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56 for information. [17:19] Riddell: what was wrong with kde-workspace? [17:19] and I'm on OS X right now, can't test :) [17:19] saucy ? [17:20] shadeslayer: that lovely kwin maintainer renamed some files [17:20] soee: yes [17:20] I see [17:20] till the monday i dont have access to saucy [17:20] only raring here [17:20] shadeslayer: triator [17:20] hey, atleast it's unix [17:20] poor agateau has to work on Windows :D [17:20] he does? [17:20] ;o [17:20] Qt patchery needs testing [17:21] He tests my patches on Windows, I test his on OS X [17:21] what qt patches? [17:22] "Add icons to QLineEdit context menu (via qstyle?) " [17:22] oh on that matter [17:23] agateau: doesn't the task say to do it via qstyle? [17:48] with 4.10.95 packages, kubuntu-full is not installable [17:48] let's see what .97 says [17:49] aah no packages yet for ninjas [17:49] for raring that is [19:02] ::qt-bugs:: [1194501] [ 4.8 Linaro regression] ICE on gcc-4.8 building kde4libs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194501 (by Scott Kitterman) [19:58] hows the RC1 progress for rarring ? [20:10] soee: it's in the beta ppa for raring [20:10] * yofel will run the script for RC2 later [20:12] 4.10.90 is b2 ? [20:12] yes, .95 RC1, .97 RC2 [20:13] ah so here on my laptom im on beta2 :) gonna upgrade now [21:12] debfx: ping [21:12] Tm_T: I uploaded an updated kubuntu-meta to raring backports ppa that should fix that [21:22] ari-tczew: pong [21:25] debfx: I've took a look on merge networkmanagement. the rest delta is this diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5916281/ [21:25] debfx: is it important change or can we drop it? [21:31] debfx: ahhh, still one file changes are remaining: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5916298/ [21:31] then it could be probably a merge [21:33] ari-tczew: should be safe to drop that, but we also change some recommends to suggests [21:35] debfx: and what about the second url ? [21:36] hm not really sure [21:40] not sure if all those headers should be there, but that's the solid stuff that was remove from kde-workspace 4.11 [21:40] *removed [21:45] ehm, is that the plasma-widget-networkmanagement package? [21:46] we shouldn't install any header files there [21:53] right [21:54] debfx: so my 2nd paste should be dropped? [21:56] yes, but are those 2 desktop files really not needed? [22:36] yofel, debfx: I have just installed networkmanagement from unstable and I don't see any difference [22:39] the modemmanager stuff still works? (that's the only desktop file I'm worried about) [22:39] Other than that it's probably just the control file changes that are still needed and the merge should be done [22:41] yofel: where can I find modemmanager? [22:42] uh, it's that mobile phone connection thing, I think? not sure [22:42] yofel: I have normal wifi, I don't use modem / phone connection [22:44] I personally would keep those 2 files. Debian probably doesn't need them yet as they still have modemmanager in kde-workspace 4.10 [22:53] yofel: about d/control I've to make sure, but a part of them is already in Debian [22:56] true, what's kubuntu specific is [22:56] +Suggests: kde-workspace-bin, network-manager-vpnc, network-manager-openvpn, [22:56] + network-manager-pptp, network-manager-openconnect [22:56] and the breaks/replaces against kde-workspace-data which is future for debian [22:58] is there something wring with networkmanager in RC1 ? [22:59] soee: shouldn't be, why? [23:01] yofel, not on my laptop it disconnects me for a 2 seconds and connects again (atleast by icon status change i can assume that), last days i installed KDE on arch and there when downloading something big (heby network traffic) whole plasma crashed [23:01] this might be coincident though [23:03] yofel: conclusion: there is the whole remaining delta (d/changelog not included): http://paste.ubuntu.com/5916524/ [23:04] fine I think. debfx ^ ? [23:04] it has to be still adapted to current unstable rev. of course [23:04] (changelog and maintainer need to be kept as well ofc.) [23:04] sure [23:05] it's pre-merge [23:05] draft [23:08] yeah looks good so far [23:11] debfx, yofel: should do I you both subscribe to merge bug? [23:11] yofel: of course installing desktop files without the corresponding binary (i.e. solid_modemmanager05.so) is not that useful ^^ [23:12] sure [23:12] eh, those are missing too? [23:13] yes [23:14] ari-tczew: could you please add that file to plasma-widget-networkmanagement.install? [23:14] (not related to the merge, but a fix for the last upload) [23:14] * yofel builds to look at list-missing [23:14] debfx: which one? [23:15] not goot -.- http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/knm_mm.png [23:15] *good [23:15] ari-tczew: usr/lib/kde4/solid_modemmanager05.so [23:16] yofel: it doesn't use dhmk so no list-missing [23:16] I'm still using the old pbuilder hook [23:16] debfx: how should do I describe this one in d/changelog? [23:17] for example "Add missing solid_modemmanager05.so to the install file" [23:17] yofel: what does the hook do? [23:18] use CDBS iirc [23:18] debfx: http://paste.kde.org/p7b1a06c8/ [23:18] cdbs? I hope we don't have cdbs-using packages anymore ;) [23:19] ah ok [23:19] So we need a new hook that doesn't need it. [23:20] overriding dh_install with --list-missing in networkmanager wouldn't be a bad idea [23:20] # list-missing files result: [23:20] -./usr/lib/kde4/solid_modemmanager05.so [23:20] and that's the only file that really should be installed so we're ok now [23:21] you might be able to misuse dhmk in a similar way [23:21] rest is just dev symlinks [23:22] * yofel checks what dhmk list-missing does [23:23] basically create a list of files in debian/tmp, same for all debian/ and create a diff [23:23] debfx: the queue in *.install file is important? can I add this one just at the end of file? [23:23] so nothing really depends on dhmk being used [23:24] (I mean now usr/lib/kde4/solid_modemmanager05.so) [23:26] it doesn't matter for the end result but I'd keep the lines sorted [23:28] hm, am I doing something wrong if I try to call the target with 'make -f /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/list-missing.mk list-missing'? [23:28] all I get is: make: *** No rule to make target `list-missing'. Stop. [23:31] yofel: there is a "ifdef dqk_dir" in list-missing.mk [23:32] yes, there is. I'm tired -.- [23:32] thanks [23:33] http://paste.kde.org/pe6734594/ perfect [23:38] nice [23:38] * debfx copies that into his own set of hooks [23:52] hmmmm, I run update-maintainer and it changes Kubuntu Dev. to Ubuntu Dev. [23:52] is it correct? [23:52] no, update-maintainer only works for ubuntu, not us