[00:46] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1180470] "Window title" text box disabled in Window-Specific Settings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1180470 (by Ibrahim M. Ghazal)
[04:04] <ScottK> Quintasan: Better to do it for 13.10 than make the switch in an LTS cycle.
[07:27] <soee> good morning
[11:20] <Riddell> wibble, amarok doesn't start for me
[11:20] <Riddell> or it starts but doesn't show anything on screen
[11:21] <Peace-> Riddell: do you use amarok?
[11:21] <Peace-> i mean like default audio player?
[11:21] <Riddell> sure
[11:21] <Riddell> what else would I use?
[11:24] <jussi> juk? :D
[11:24] <Peace-> Riddell: vlc
[11:24] <jussi> (ok, ok, I relent, I use VLC)
[11:24] <Riddell> didn't that go out with the naughties?
[11:24] <Riddell> vlc doesn't have any playlist
[11:24] <Peace-> Riddell: sure it has
[11:24] <jussi> amarok is FAR too heavy for a simple media player
[11:25] <jussi> Riddell: it has, how far behind are you? :D
[11:25] <Riddell> it's not supposed to be a simple media player, it's supposed to let you rediscover your music
[11:25] <Riddell> I can go  vlc * in a directories with an album in and it'll play it
[11:25] <Riddell> that's pretty limited
[11:25] <Peace-> Riddell: :D ok ok here it is :P http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/26/plasma-desktopbS2257.png
[11:26] <Riddell> mm, no list there
[11:27] <Peace-> Riddell: do you mean this  list ? http://wstaw.org/m/2013/07/26/plasma-desktopgk2257.png
[11:28] <Riddell> any easy way to add things to that?
[11:29] <Peace-> Riddell: drag and drop
[11:29] <Peace-> Riddell: and my service menu vlc append
[11:36] <jussi> I find it mildly funny we are trying to get Riddell to switch to some non kde sw... :P
[11:40] <Riddell> drag and drop from where? I want my collection on the right hand side
[11:43] <Riddell> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.10.97_saucy.html not bad not bad
[13:01] <Peace-> Riddell: on right you can see media library 
[13:01] <Peace-> left 
[13:01] <Peace-> *
[13:06] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/07/25/obama-promises-disappear-from-web/
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[13:13] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1195723] 13.10 Alpha-2 Plasma Netbook Interface has no favorites @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195723 (by Marco Parillo)
[13:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: eh, vlc has a collection
[13:13] <apachelogger> and playlist
[13:13] <apachelogger> and only resource support
[13:13] <apachelogger> and upnp support
[13:13] <apachelogger> ....
[13:14] <apachelogger> s/only/online
[13:18] <Riddell> Peace-: that's not a collection, that's a list
[13:30] <Riddell> talking of music players, tomahawk crashing for me
[13:35] <yofel> what version of tomahawk?
[13:35] <yofel> I'll try to package 0.7 for the archive over the weekend
[13:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: media library is not a list, well it technically is, except it's a media library...
[13:44] <yofel> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~canonical-launchpad-branches/launchpad-buildd/trunk/revision/58 :O
[13:46] <Riddell> yofel: 0.6.0+dfsg1-0ubuntu3
[13:46] <shadeslayer> yofel: hurray?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> no silly ~raring1 now
[13:46] <yofel> yep :)
[13:46] <yofel> Riddell: mhm, there's 0.7 in tomahawk/ppa if you want to try it
[13:48]  * Riddell tries it
[13:49] <shadeslayer> hm, we don't compile kdelibs with -fPIE
[13:49] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/kf5/+build/4825511
[13:49] <apachelogger> .........................
[13:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what does PIE mean?
[13:49] <apachelogger> yofel: 
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Position Independent Executable
[13:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position-independent_code
[13:50] <yofel> apachelogger: wtf?
[13:50] <apachelogger> I am tempted to think that qmake is even more shit than python
[13:50] <Riddell> "Started 20 hours ago"  holy guacamole
[13:50] <shadeslayer> haha
[13:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: everyone thinks that except the qmake maintainer
[13:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: isn't -fPIE default on amd64?
[13:50] <shadeslayer> weren't they switching to QBS
[13:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: I don't see it https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145471384/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.kde4libs_4%3A4.10.95-0ubuntu1_UPLOADING.txt.gz
[13:51] <apachelogger> ahhh, cancelled builds of course have no log
[13:51] <apachelogger> weeh
[13:51] <shadeslayer> cmake does say that it has FPIE support
[13:51] <shadeslayer> but g++ doesn't seem to be called with that?
[13:52] <yofel> oh, I mixed that up with fPIC
[13:52] <yofel> shadeslayer: looking at the gcc manpage, why would you *want* to build with fPIE?
[13:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: apparently Qt uses it for some reaon, and it seems to be useful for shared libraries?
[13:54]  * yofel is clueless
[13:55] <apachelogger> ?
[13:55] <apachelogger> PIE?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Position-independent_code
[13:56] <apachelogger> yeah
[13:56] <apachelogger> what about it
[13:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any reason not to have it in kdelibs? ( seems to be a useful option for libraries? )
[13:57] <apachelogger> ask dfaure?
[13:57] <Riddell> yofel: tomahawk 0.7 crashes for me too
[13:57] <yofel> :(
[13:57] <shadeslayer> will do
[13:57] <apachelogger> I personally do not see the benefit unless you actually manually do ASM somewhere
[13:58] <shadeslayer> are you saying Qt does ASM somewhere? :O
[13:58] <apachelogger> an MMU pretty much solves waht PIC/PIE was meant to do originally
[13:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I am actually reasonable certain qstring has asm bits
[13:58] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:59]  * shadeslayer looks
[14:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/blobs/HEAD/src/corelib/arch/qatomic_x86.h
[14:00] <shadeslayer> I see
[14:01] <shadeslayer> well, makes sense then
[14:01] <shadeslayer> lets check if kdelibs has asm code
[14:01] <apachelogger> just ask dfaure or send a mail to kde-core-devel? :P
[14:03] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:03] <shadeslayer> a bit of grepping shows  : ./solid/solid/backends/shared/cpufeatures.cpp:
[14:03] <shadeslayer> eh
[14:03] <shadeslayer> #define ASM_MOV_REG(reg1, reg2)   "movl   %%e"reg1", %%e"reg2" \n\t"
[14:17] <apachelogger> PIC doesn't help that bit at all
[14:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I see
[14:19] <shadeslayer> I'm not completly sure if it would be beneficial, just curious whether we should / should not enable it
[14:41] <agateau> anyone fancy testing wireless support in ubiquity?
[14:42] <agateau> code is in lp:~agateau/ubiquity/kde-wireless2
[14:42] <shadeslayer> sure
[14:42] <shadeslayer> oh
[14:42] <shadeslayer> wait
[14:42] <agateau> not proposed for merge yet as it depends on lp:~agateau/ubiquity/nm-split getting in
[14:42] <shadeslayer> VBox doesn't have wireless stuff
[14:42] <Riddell> agateau: can it be run from a local installed machine?
[14:43] <agateau> shadeslayer: I was able to test it with a usb wifi adapter
[14:43] <Riddell> or does it need a live image?
[14:43] <Riddell> why a usb wifi adapter?
[14:43] <agateau> shadeslayer: by installing the closed-source extension
[14:43] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:43] <Riddell> oh in virtualbox
[14:43] <agateau> Riddell: yes
[14:44] <agateau> Riddell: you can test part the networkmanager widget from your local machine, but it's not exactly a complete test
[14:44] <agateau> anyway, it can be done with cd where/ubiquity/src/is ; PYTHONPATH=$PWD python3 ubiquity/frontend/kde_components/nmwidgets.py
[14:44] <agateau> as root
[14:46] <agateau> first known problem is the entry in the sidebar is empty: it is waiting for a proper translated text. The text is declared in debian/ubiquity.template but I haven't looked into how to install that
[14:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you looking at it?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: still branching
[14:58] <shadeslayer> grrr
[14:58] <shadeslayer> somehow kio_file is screwed up
[14:58] <shadeslayer> I keep getting "Could not start process Unable to create io-slave:
[14:58] <shadeslayer> klauncher said: Error loading 'kio_file'."
[14:59] <shadeslayer> probably because I rebooted in the middle of a upgrade :(
[15:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's why I said ask david or the mailing list....
[15:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: david has no idea
[15:15] <shadeslayer> which is a first for me :)
[15:41] <shadeslayer> uhm
[15:42] <BluesKaj> ahem
[15:42] <shadeslayer> well, I'm seeing some minor video issues
[15:43] <shadeslayer> when the titlebar text changes, it is green for some duration
[16:57] <Riddell> nepomuk-core-runtime: postinst-must-call-ldconfig usr/lib/libnepomukextractor.so
[16:57] <Riddell> why does dh_makeshlibs not add that?
[16:57] <Riddell> is it the package name isn't libfoo?
[17:03] <Riddell> oh it'll be because it's unversioned
[17:10] <Riddell> >ldd /usr/lib/libakonadi-kabc.so.4.11.0 statically linked
[17:10] <Riddell> wibble that's not supposed to happen
[17:17] <soee> hi
[17:18]  * Riddell high fives himself over the amount of green on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.10.97_saucy.html
[17:18] <Riddell> anyone able to test it? then I'll upload
[17:18] <Riddell> !testers | 4.10.97 in ninjas
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what was wrong with kde-workspace?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> and I'm on OS X right now, can't test :)
[17:19] <soee> saucy ?
[17:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: that lovely kwin maintainer renamed some files
[17:20] <Riddell> soee: yes
[17:20] <shadeslayer> I see
[17:20] <soee> till the monday i dont have access to saucy
[17:20] <soee> only raring here
[17:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: triator
[17:20] <shadeslayer> hey, atleast it's unix
[17:20] <shadeslayer> poor agateau has to work on Windows :D
[17:20] <Riddell> he does?
[17:20] <soee> ;o
[17:20] <shadeslayer> Qt patchery needs testing
[17:21] <shadeslayer> He tests my patches on Windows, I test his on OS X
[17:21] <Riddell> what qt patches?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> "Add icons to QLineEdit context menu (via qstyle?)	"
[17:22] <shadeslayer> oh on that matter
[17:23] <shadeslayer> agateau: doesn't the task say to do it via qstyle?
[17:48] <Tm_T> with 4.10.95 packages, kubuntu-full is not installable
[17:48] <Tm_T> let's see what .97 says
[17:49] <Tm_T> aah no packages yet for ninjas
[17:49] <Tm_T> for raring that is
[19:02] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1194501] [ 4.8 Linaro regression] ICE on gcc-4.8 building kde4libs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194501 (by Scott Kitterman)
[19:58] <soee> hows the RC1 progress for rarring ?
[20:10] <yofel> soee: it's in the beta ppa for raring
[20:10]  * yofel will run the script for RC2 later
[20:12] <soee> 4.10.90 is b2 ?
[20:12] <yofel> yes, .95 RC1, .97 RC2
[20:13] <soee> ah so here on my laptom im on beta2 :) gonna upgrade now
[21:12] <ari-tczew> debfx: ping
[21:12] <yofel> Tm_T: I uploaded an updated kubuntu-meta to raring backports ppa that should fix that
[21:22] <debfx> ari-tczew: pong
[21:25] <ari-tczew> debfx: I've took a look on merge networkmanagement. the rest delta is this diff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5916281/
[21:25] <ari-tczew> debfx: is it important change or can we drop it?
[21:31] <ari-tczew> debfx: ahhh, still one file changes are remaining: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5916298/
[21:31] <ari-tczew> then it could be probably a merge
[21:33] <debfx> ari-tczew: should be safe to drop that, but we also change some recommends to suggests
[21:35] <ari-tczew> debfx: and what about the second url ?
[21:36] <debfx> hm not really sure
[21:40] <yofel> not sure if all those headers should be there, but that's the solid stuff that was remove from kde-workspace 4.11
[21:40] <yofel> *removed
[21:45] <debfx> ehm, is that the plasma-widget-networkmanagement package?
[21:46] <debfx> we shouldn't install any header files there
[21:53] <yofel> right
[21:54] <ari-tczew> debfx: so my 2nd paste should be dropped?
[21:56] <yofel> yes, but are those 2 desktop files really not needed?
[22:36] <ari-tczew> yofel, debfx: I have just installed networkmanagement from unstable and I don't see any difference
[22:39] <yofel> the modemmanager stuff still works? (that's the only desktop file I'm worried about)
[22:39] <yofel> Other than that it's probably just the control file changes that are still needed and the merge should be done
[22:41] <ari-tczew> yofel: where can I find modemmanager?
[22:42] <yofel> uh, it's that mobile phone connection thing, I think? not sure
[22:42] <ari-tczew> yofel: I have normal wifi, I don't use modem / phone connection
[22:44] <yofel> I personally would keep those 2 files. Debian probably doesn't need them yet as they still have modemmanager in kde-workspace 4.10
[22:53] <ari-tczew> yofel: about d/control I've to make sure, but a part of them is already in Debian
[22:56] <yofel> true, what's kubuntu specific is 
[22:56] <yofel> +Suggests: kde-workspace-bin, network-manager-vpnc, network-manager-openvpn, 
[22:56] <yofel> + network-manager-pptp, network-manager-openconnect
[22:56] <yofel> and the breaks/replaces against kde-workspace-data which is future for debian
[22:58] <soee> is there something wring with networkmanager in RC1 ?
[22:59] <yofel> soee: shouldn't be, why?
[23:01] <soee> yofel, not on my laptop it disconnects me for a 2 seconds and connects again (atleast by icon status change i can assume that), last days i installed KDE on arch and there when downloading something big (heby network traffic)  whole plasma crashed
[23:01] <soee> this might be coincident though
[23:03] <ari-tczew> yofel: conclusion: there is the whole remaining delta (d/changelog not included): http://paste.ubuntu.com/5916524/
[23:04] <yofel> fine I think. debfx ^ ?
[23:04] <ari-tczew> it has to be still adapted to current unstable rev. of course
[23:04] <yofel> (changelog and maintainer need to be kept as well ofc.)
[23:04] <ari-tczew> sure
[23:05] <ari-tczew> it's pre-merge
[23:05] <ari-tczew> draft
[23:08] <debfx> yeah looks good so far
[23:11] <ari-tczew> debfx, yofel: should do I you both subscribe to merge bug?
[23:11] <debfx> yofel: of course installing desktop files without the corresponding binary (i.e. solid_modemmanager05.so) is not that useful ^^
[23:12] <debfx> sure
[23:12] <yofel> eh, those are missing too?
[23:13] <debfx> yes
[23:14] <debfx> ari-tczew: could you please add that file to plasma-widget-networkmanagement.install?
[23:14] <debfx> (not related to the merge, but a fix for the last upload)
[23:14]  * yofel builds to look at list-missing
[23:14] <ari-tczew> debfx: which one?
[23:15] <yofel> not goot -.- http://people.ubuntu.com/~yofel/pics/knm_mm.png
[23:15] <yofel> *good
[23:15] <debfx> ari-tczew: usr/lib/kde4/solid_modemmanager05.so
[23:16] <debfx> yofel: it doesn't use dhmk so no list-missing
[23:16] <yofel> I'm still using the old pbuilder hook
[23:16] <ari-tczew> debfx: how should do I describe this one in d/changelog?
[23:17] <debfx> for example "Add missing solid_modemmanager05.so to the install file"
[23:17] <debfx> yofel: what does the hook do?
[23:18] <yofel> use CDBS iirc
[23:18] <yofel> debfx: http://paste.kde.org/p7b1a06c8/
[23:18] <debfx> cdbs? I hope we don't have cdbs-using packages anymore ;)
[23:19] <debfx> ah ok
[23:19] <ScottK> So we need a new hook that doesn't need it.
[23:20] <debfx> overriding dh_install with --list-missing in networkmanager wouldn't be a bad idea
[23:20] <yofel> # list-missing files result:
[23:20] <yofel> -./usr/lib/kde4/solid_modemmanager05.so
[23:20] <yofel> and that's the only file that really should be installed so we're ok now
[23:21] <debfx> you might be able to misuse dhmk in a similar way
[23:21] <yofel> rest is just dev symlinks
[23:22]  * yofel checks what dhmk list-missing does
[23:23] <debfx> basically create a list of files in debian/tmp, same for all debian/<pkg> and create a diff
[23:23] <ari-tczew> debfx: the queue in *.install file is important? can I add this one just at the end of file?
[23:23] <debfx> so nothing really depends on dhmk being used
[23:24] <ari-tczew> (I mean now usr/lib/kde4/solid_modemmanager05.so)
[23:26] <debfx> it doesn't matter for the end result but I'd keep the lines sorted
[23:28] <yofel> hm, am I doing something wrong if I try to call the target with 'make -f /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/2/list-missing.mk list-missing'?
[23:28] <yofel> all I get is: make: *** No rule to make target `list-missing'.  Stop.
[23:31] <debfx> yofel: there is a "ifdef dqk_dir" in list-missing.mk
[23:32] <yofel> yes, there is. I'm tired -.-
[23:32] <yofel> thanks
[23:33] <yofel> http://paste.kde.org/pe6734594/ perfect
[23:38] <debfx> nice
[23:38]  * debfx copies that into his own set of hooks
[23:52] <ari-tczew> hmmmm, I run update-maintainer and it changes Kubuntu Dev. to Ubuntu Dev.
[23:52] <ari-tczew> is it correct?
[23:52] <yofel> no, update-maintainer only works for ubuntu, not us