[02:15] <kdef> help
[02:15] <bazhang> with what
[02:16] <kdef> I want to buy a keyboard with additional language on the keys.... only cheap one I found is a wireless bluetooth one...
[02:16] <kdef> it would be ideal but I don't know if bluetooth works well in ubuntu or not
[02:16] <kdef> any idea?
[02:19] <bazhang> which version
[02:20] <bazhang> this channel is for support of 13.10
[02:31] <kdef> I don't know... I keep updating but
[13:12] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[15:02] <smallfoot-> Why there is no openness and transparency? You can see no details on what's new in Ubuntu alpha
[15:02] <smallfoot-> there are no news, notes, or anything
[15:03] <smallfoot-> Also why can't you search for saucy packages on packages.ubuntu.com?
[15:06] <IdleOne> packages.ubuntu.com only shows released versions. people using saucy should be experienced enough to know they can use apt-cache search to search for packages.
[15:06] <wilee-nilee> smallfoot- The developments do not reach there until release
[15:08] <IdleOne> as far as release notes goes. Saucy is in alpha, things may work great or they can all explode in a moment.
[15:08] <smallfoot-> but why doesn't anyone fix packages.ubuntu.com so it works with unreleased versions too? any reason?
[15:09] <bazhang> thats not something that needs fixing
[15:09] <smallfoot-> I understand saucy is alpha, but in prior Ubuntu versions, there were always more information and release notes even on alphas
[15:09] <IdleOne> yes, because then users with less experience might start using saucy packages in raring
[15:09] <IdleOne> which is a bad idea
[15:09] <smallfoot-> why is that such a bad idea?
[15:09] <bazhang> release notes? release means...
[15:10] <smallfoot-> I remember 12.10 used to have release notes on alphas
[15:10] <IdleOne> smallfoot-: mixing packages from different versions can cause unexpected behaviour and bugs
[15:10] <smallfoot-> IdleOne, then I think saucy packages should still be browsable, but it should be a <h1>Mixing packages form a different version can cause unexpected behaviour and bugs</h1> on the page
[15:11] <IdleOne> smallfoot-: or experienced users can use the package managers and we don't have to risk users ignoring warnings
[15:12] <smallfoot-> If users ignore warnings, then that is their fault
[15:12] <IdleOne> I'll remember that next time you ask a support question :)
[15:13] <smallfoot-> Anyone running saucy ? How does it work?
[15:13] <IdleOne> you can download the iso and test it.
[15:15] <ikonia> it's currently full of holes and all over the place. I'd advise you only play with it if you are very confident
[15:16] <smallfoot-> Yeah, but I was wondering if anyone can say "Noooo!! don't do it! don't even think about it, it crashes every hour" or say "I've been using it for months, its rock-solid"
[15:16] <smallfoot-> ikonia, I see! thanks! :)
[15:16] <IdleOne> There is a big warning on the wiki that says " It works but may explode" <-paraphrasing
[15:17] <IdleOne> also you have been testing +1 long enough to stop asking these questions every 6 months
[15:17] <rymate1234> hey guys
[15:17] <smallfoot-> hey, do you know who i am? :D
[15:18] <smallfoot-> hiya! :)
[15:18] <rymate1234> trying to get my wireless drivers from here https://code.google.com/p/realtek-8188cus-wireless-drivers-3444749-ubuntu-1304/ compiled on 13.10
[15:18] <smallfoot-> IdleOne, sometimes I've ran the alpha and beta and it been pretty bad, other times I've run and its been solid
[15:18] <rymate1234> however compiling nets me this error http://pastebin.com/28WYFHfp
[15:18] <rymate1234> how do I fix?
[15:20] <ikonia> thats not going to work with your current kernel at this time
[15:20] <rymate1234> meh
[15:20] <rymate1234> what's the issue?
[15:21] <ikonia> looks like quite a lot of issues, the main one I see is a reference to a function in a header that's different to what it expects
[15:21] <ikonia> but there are a few other errors that maybe worse (but no obvious) and a few warnings which may cause problems
[15:21] <rymate1234> so I just have to wait for a fix?
[15:22] <ikonia> well, not-ones going to fix it unless you feed back to it
[15:22] <rymate1234> I have done
[15:22] <rymate1234> was just wondering if there was a way to fix iy
[15:22] <rymate1234> *it
[15:22] <rymate1234> ah well
[15:23] <ikonia> if you understand how it hooks into the kernel, it probably won't be that bad to change the reference it's making,
[15:23] <ikonia> but that will need to be done either upstream or patched in the ubuntu kernel (doubtful)
[15:23] <ikonia> it could be worse though as I'm only just glancing through your paste
[15:24] <rymate1234> ok
[15:24] <rymate1234> so could I potentially downgrade kernel?
[15:24] <rymate1234> or not
[15:25] <ikonia> errr why would you do that ?
[15:25] <ikonia> I'm not aware of 13.10 offering lower kernel versions
[18:19] <DreamPCs> Hey guys, anyone know how I can change the screen timeout settings (when it blanks the display) in Ubuntu 13.10?
[18:22] <Ampelbein> DreamPCs: "Ctrl-A :" "idle off"
[18:25] <brainwash> Ampelbein: are you sure he is talking about (gnu) screen?
[18:26] <Ampelbein> brainwash: oh. My word, I think you are right. Heh.
[18:28] <DreamPCs> In a terminal?
[18:29] <Ampelbein> DreamPCs: I was thinking you were talking about the program "screen".
[18:30] <DreamPCs> Oh sorry, no I mean X (or I guess Mir in Ubuntu 13.10
[18:30] <Ampelbein> DreamPCs: I guess it depends on the desktop environment.
[18:30] <DreamPCs> Unity
[18:31] <Ampelbein> Don't know then.
[18:31] <DreamPCs> Ok, thanks.
[18:33] <Ampelbein> DreamPCs: A bit of googling unearthed http://askubuntu.com/questions/177348/how-do-i-disable-the-screensaver-lock-in-12-04 - does that work in 13.10 still?
[18:33] <DreamPCs> Damn that was it! Thanks Ampelbein
[18:34] <DreamPCs> I thought it was related to Mir and not Unity, I guess that's why I couldn't find any info on it.
[18:40] <FernandoMiguel> bRoas
[21:43] <joshlegs> hi!