| === zmoylan1 is now known as zmoylan | ||
| airurando | evening | 21:49 |
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| mokmeister | Evening airurando, hope all is well | 22:01 |
| mokmeister | Just watched Starship Troopers Invasion, class! | 22:01 |
| airurando | Hey mokmeister | 22:01 |
| airurando | all good here | 22:01 |
| mokmeister | Non stop shooting up alien bugs | 22:02 |
| airurando | and with you? | 22:02 |
| mokmeister | good to hear. Yeah, all's grand here | 22:02 |
| airurando | he he sounds fun | 22:02 |
| mokmeister | Yes indeed. | 22:02 |
| mokmeister | Any plans for the weekend? | 22:02 |
| airurando | mokmeister: will you be able to attend the irc meeting next Thursday? | 22:03 |
| airurando | Cork this weekend for us! | 22:03 |
| mokmeister | yep, I hope to. | 22:03 |
| mokmeister | Very nice | 22:03 |
| airurando | excellent | 22:03 |
| * airurando is not the fastest on the keyboard so he is spending his Friday night typing notes for the meeting. | 22:04 | |
| airurando | sad but true... | 22:04 |
| mokmeister | It'll take now til Thursday to type them up? How long is this meeting? ;) | 22:05 |
| mokmeister | So what's the agenda for the meeting anyway? | 22:07 |
| airurando | are you not on the mailing list mokmeister? | 22:07 |
| airurando | http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/630/detail/ | 22:08 |
| mokmeister | I am on the mailing list | 22:08 |
| airurando | feck did my mail to the list not arrive? | 22:10 |
| mokmeister | Some interesting topics. Hope we have a good attendance | 22:11 |
| airurando | sent announcement re next meeting, including agenda, on the 24th | 22:11 |
| mokmeister | Hope I remember to attend! :D | 22:12 |
| mokmeister | hang on, I'll check | 22:12 |
| mokmeister | Yep, I got it alright. | 22:12 |
| airurando | good | 22:13 |
| airurando | read you e-mails!!!! | 22:13 |
| mokmeister | Probably just skimmed it at the time, didn't check the agenda, I know that much | 22:13 |
| mokmeister | I know! | 22:13 |
| airurando | skimmed it!!! | 22:13 |
| mokmeister | And READ, not skim! | 22:13 |
| airurando | I am hurt | 22:13 |
| mokmeister | hahaha! | 22:13 |
| mokmeister | Sorrry! | 22:13 |
| airurando | I know I prattle on at times | 22:14 |
| airurando | trying to curb that | 22:14 |
| mokmeister | Ah no, you're far from the worst prattler there is! | 22:14 |
| mokmeister | Not that you're a prattler either! :D | 22:14 |
| mokmeister | Am I prattling now? ;) | 22:15 |
| airurando | Oh you are just full of compliments tonight! | 22:15 |
| mokmeister | hehehe! | 22:15 |
| mokmeister | It's a Friday night, happy days! | 22:15 |
| airurando | what do you think of http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/3319678/size/992 | 22:16 |
| mokmeister | let me have a look... | 22:16 |
| airurando | as a kick off point for the LoCo reboot | 22:16 |
| mokmeister | I wonder would it be a better idea to hold more frequent meetings? | 22:18 |
| mokmeister | And I'm just throwing it out there like | 22:19 |
| airurando | yeah fair point | 22:19 |
| mokmeister | but if there were more frequent meetings it might help make more of a bond within the community | 22:19 |
| airurando | but it got a bit mundane before we crashed | 22:19 |
| mokmeister | yeah, I know what you mean. | 22:19 |
| airurando | I want to start slow and seee what develops, if anything | 22:20 |
| mokmeister | indeed. | 22:20 |
| airurando | at the quarterly meetings we could discuss impending events | 22:20 |
| mokmeister | Start too slow though and it might just peter out | 22:20 |
| airurando | vUDSs | 22:20 |
| airurando | UJGs | 22:20 |
| airurando | Release Parties | 22:21 |
| airurando | might peter out | 22:21 |
| airurando | but | 22:21 |
| airurando | monthly was hard with little to discuss | 22:21 |
| airurando | we would have solid items for discussion at quarterly meetings | 22:22 |
| airurando | just banter here | 22:22 |
| mokmeister | true. | 22:22 |
| airurando | I don't know what the answer is | 22:22 |
| airurando | just ideas | 22:22 |
| mokmeister | Yeah, I don't know either. | 22:22 |
| airurando | no doubt there is genuine good will | 22:23 |
| airurando | but also no doubt we have lost rock stars due to some recent decisions | 22:23 |
| airurando | rebuilding is required | 22:23 |
| mokmeister | I was a regular on PCLinux OS forums for a good while, and I found the IRC channel kept me coming back to the forums and the like. That channel has fairly much died in the last year or so though. | 22:24 |
| airurando | ups and downs of any open source project I suppose | 22:24 |
| mokmeister | Again, loss of rockstars and other infighting and the like kinda killed it I think | 22:24 |
| mokmeister | Yes indeed. | 22:25 |
| airurando | infighting is so destructive | 22:25 |
| mokmeister | Tis | 22:25 |
| mokmeister | Twould be good to build something good here though and keep it going | 22:25 |
| airurando | I don't agree with everything but I don't presume I am the be all and end all | 22:26 |
| airurando | we live in a world or grey | 22:26 |
| airurando | and consensus only goes so far | 22:26 |
| mokmeister | I like Ubuntu, it's got a lot going for it, I sometimes wonder though does the commercial side of things hurt the community side of things. | 22:26 |
| airurando | consensus is dull | 22:26 |
| mokmeister | hahaha! | 22:26 |
| mokmeister | Consensus keeps the world spinning! :D | 22:27 |
| airurando | of course commercial interests will dampen community | 22:27 |
| airurando | but I argue I should not | 22:27 |
| airurando | a strong single minded direction is warranted | 22:27 |
| airurando | row in behind unless you TOTALLY are against the direction | 22:28 |
| mokmeister | yeah, I've been reading alot of what Mark Shuttleworth has been saying regarding community and single minded decisions and the like. | 22:28 |
| mokmeister | And alot of what he has been saying makes sense. | 22:29 |
| mokmeister | Someone has to make the tough decisions. | 22:29 |
| airurando | aye | 22:29 |
| mokmeister | and I think the fact that Ubuntu is as popular as it is sometimes makes it difficult to introduce change | 22:29 |
| mokmeister | People do like to bash what's popular. | 22:30 |
| airurando | and I recognise it it very easy for me to take my position as a user rather that a contributor | 22:30 |
| mokmeister | But that's not the only reason why people object to what's being done either. | 22:30 |
| airurando | no easay answer | 22:30 |
| airurando | *easy | 22:30 |
| mokmeister | There are some valid criticism of some of the directions being taken | 22:31 |
| airurando | indeed | 22:31 |
| airurando | but if you disagree with your boss so you quit? | 22:31 |
| mokmeister | Yeah, I don't contribute half as much as I would like, but I try at the same time... | 22:31 |
| mokmeister | hahaha! | 22:31 |
| airurando | work to make it better and stronger. | 22:32 |
| mokmeister | Depends on how much you love your job | 22:32 |
| mokmeister | (or you need the money) | 22:32 |
| airurando | fight from within. | 22:32 |
| airurando | my view | 22:33 |
| airurando | open source is way too black and white | 22:33 |
| mokmeister | Fighting from within is valid only of there is a chance of success. | 22:33 |
| mokmeister | There is no point fighting to lose | 22:33 |
| airurando | you either love it or hate it | 22:33 |
| mokmeister | I've never been a fan of the last stand kinda thing! | 22:33 |
| airurando | someone has to loose | 22:33 |
| airurando | feck | 22:33 |
| airurando | lose | 22:33 |
| airurando | bad example here | 22:34 |
| airurando | but | 22:34 |
| mokmeister | hmmm, I'm not so sure. | 22:34 |
| airurando | Steve Jobs | 22:34 |
| mokmeister | go on anyway, I'm listening | 22:34 |
| airurando | Apple | 22:34 |
| airurando | could you imagine apple being open source? | 22:35 |
| mokmeister | Nope | 22:35 |
| airurando | iOS | 22:35 |
| airurando | OSX | 22:35 |
| airurando | now | 22:35 |
| airurando | could you imagine any open source project achieving the same prominance | 22:36 |
| mokmeister | No. | 22:36 |
| mokmeister | No single project will | 22:36 |
| mokmeister | but I think FOSS will eventually eclipse anything the likes of Apple could ever do. | 22:37 |
| mokmeister | It only stands to reason. | 22:37 |
| airurando | after 30 years in existance linux has not reached the masses | 22:37 |
| airurando | why | 22:37 |
| mokmeister | Passionate, committed people making the very best software that is open to peer review can only lead to great things | 22:38 |
| airurando | apples version of linux/BSD did reach the masses | 22:38 |
| airurando | mokmeister: linux has had the most passionate committed people ever since its inception | 22:38 |
| mokmeister | I suppose there may be a point to the taking the best of FOSS and polishing it and then marketing the hell out of it. | 22:39 |
| mokmeister | Yep | 22:39 |
| mokmeister | And that is why it is where it is today. | 22:39 |
| airurando | you need someone, one person, to have the correct vision. | 22:39 |
| airurando | an open source steve jobs | 22:40 |
| airurando | canonical.. now software and hardware... | 22:40 |
| airurando | perfect | 22:40 |
| mokmeister | And your thinking is that person is Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's benevolent dictator for life? | 22:40 |
| airurando | possibly | 22:40 |
| airurando | maybe not | 22:41 |
| airurando | but I admire him for trying | 22:41 |
| mokmeister | Absolutely. | 22:41 |
| airurando | his ideas will fly or they wont | 22:41 |
| mokmeister | At least he's floating them out there! | 22:41 |
| airurando | but damn I admire him totally and I feel it is the right approach | 22:41 |
| airurando | wish I had the 700 dollar ish amount to support the edge | 22:42 |
| airurando | broken leg earlier in the year has that scuppered | 22:42 |
| mokmeister | I admire him too. Linux on the desktop would not be where it is today only for Ubuntu, and he made that happen. | 22:42 |
| airurando | will definitely give 20 to the effort | 22:42 |
| mokmeister | How's the leg anyway? | 22:43 |
| airurando | coming along | 22:43 |
| mokmeister | I went for the first day promo, shouldn't really be spending that kind of money on gadgets but I just think it'd be really cool to be part of history in the making. | 22:44 |
| airurando | well done you | 22:44 |
| mokmeister | maybe not so much be a part but at least own a part! :D | 22:44 |
| airurando | I keep looking at it but no chance here | 22:44 |
| mokmeister | What those guys are doing just rocks | 22:44 |
| airurando | I am torturing myself | 22:45 |
| airurando | definitely | 22:45 |
| * airurando hopes it goes on general sale in 2014/2015 | 22:45 | |
| airurando | :-) | 22:45 |
| mokmeister | Won't happen. Concept phone and all, the mass market phone, if ever picked up by some manufacturer, won't be the same. | 22:46 |
| airurando | :-( | 22:46 |
| airurando | well then I hope there is a later option to buy the ubuntu edge | 22:47 |
| airurando | you have me worried now mokmeister | 22:47 |
| airurando | :-( | 22:47 |
| mokmeister | oops! | 22:47 |
| mokmeister | :D | 22:47 |
| airurando | had hoped to get one down the line. | 22:47 |
| mokmeister | You might be able to get the next corwd sourced concept phone! :D | 22:48 |
| mokmeister | corwd? Am I turning Welsh? I meant Crowd! | 22:49 |
| airurando | don't want the next one..... | 22:50 |
| airurando | want this one | 22:50 |
| airurando | up to 775 dollars now........ | 22:50 |
| airurando | further out of reach...... | 22:50 |
| mokmeister | yeah, that's why I was on it on day one. As much as I like the whole concept, and it is probably worth it, I just wouldn't be able to go to $830 for a phuter. | 22:51 |
| airurando | contributions are slowing | 22:51 |
| mokmeister | I kinda thought about it and said if I didn't do it on day one, I'd never do it, and I wanted to so I did! | 22:52 |
| airurando | hope it make it to 32 mill but I can't see it hsppening | 22:52 |
| mokmeister | contributions are slowing, aren't they. | 22:52 |
| airurando | aye | 22:52 |
| mokmeister | of the projections I've seen none of them seem to show them making the $32M | 22:52 |
| mokmeister | which is an awful shame. | 22:53 |
| airurando | aye :-( | 22:53 |
| airurando | hopefully they can pull something out of the bag. | 22:53 |
| airurando | or somethings | 22:53 |
| mokmeister | Twould want to be a pretty big something! | 22:53 |
| mokmeister | Maybe you know how there's a donation on the download page, they should redirect that towards the crowd sourcing page. | 22:54 |
| mokmeister | Might help | 22:54 |
| airurando | good idea... | 22:55 |
| airurando | still small help | 22:55 |
| mokmeister | yeah | 22:55 |
| airurando | If I win the lotto I will go for the 80,000 level and give an edge to my 99 best friends | 22:57 |
| mokmeister | I've been thinking the same thing! | 22:57 |
| mokmeister | I'd love if my company got involved, but being a conservative utility type I can't see it happen, despite my encouragement. | 22:58 |
| mokmeister | Of course I'm only expressing my own opinions here and anything I say do not reflect in any way on any opinion my company may hold | 22:59 |
| airurando | or course | 22:59 |
| mokmeister | just to get the disclaimer out of the way and all that! :D | 22:59 |
| airurando | hehehe | 22:59 |
| mokmeister | ;) | 23:00 |
| mokmeister | Cool, here we are at the start of a new day! | 23:00 |
| airurando | you say that like it is a good thing......... | 23:01 |
| mokmeister | Of course it is! We've lived to see another day, what could be better! | 23:01 |
| mokmeister | airurando: Were you talking about hangouts and the like in a mailing list post recently, or am I dreaming? | 23:02 |
| mokmeister | I think it would be a good idea to maybe try one, put faces to nicks and all that. | 23:03 |
| airurando | you are right | 23:03 |
| airurando | I agree | 23:03 |
| airurando | did you read Jeffreys response | 23:03 |
| airurando | don't tell me you skimmed it | 23:03 |
| mokmeister | ermmm, what was I saying about skimming earlier... | 23:03 |
| mokmeister | oh, beat me to it! | 23:03 |
| airurando | ;_) | 23:04 |
| mokmeister | :D | 23:04 |
| mokmeister | so what did he say again? ;) | 23:04 |
| airurando | I thing a hangout could help with lots of things | 23:04 |
| airurando | Jeffrey pointed out not open source | 23:04 |
| airurando | also people don't want google a/cs | 23:05 |
| airurando | fair point | 23:05 |
| airurando | but | 23:05 |
| mokmeister | absolutely. | 23:05 |
| mokmeister | fair point. | 23:05 |
| airurando | I think we could use hangouts during meetings and for UGJs | 23:06 |
| mokmeister | hey, maybe that could be a project for us, to set up a video conferencing system with jitsi or something | 23:06 |
| mokmeister | dunno how feasible that would be, but might be something worth exploring. | 23:06 |
| mokmeister | As much for fun as anything else | 23:06 |
| airurando | WARNING WARNING mokmeister you are flying well above my head with that one | 23:06 |
| mokmeister | Might get people interested in a bit of hacking | 23:07 |
| mokmeister | hahaha! | 23:07 |
| airurando | Sounds great but WAY out of my league | 23:07 |
| mokmeister | ah sure once you'd get into you'd be flying well over it! | 23:07 |
| airurando | give me bacterial and procaryotic genetics anyday | 23:08 |
| airurando | *bacteria | 23:08 |
| mokmeister | yeah, it all sounds great talking about, it's the implementation that can be a bit tricky! ;) | 23:08 |
| airurando | exciting idea though | 23:08 |
| mokmeister | procaryotic genetics? Jeez, what on earth is that? | 23:09 |
| airurando | really exciting | 23:09 |
| airurando | your idea that is | 23:09 |
| airurando | procaryotic genetics = bacterial genetics | 23:10 |
| airurando | eucaryotic genetice is everything else from yeasts to us | 23:10 |
| mokmeister | ok | 23:10 |
| mokmeister | WARNING! Now you're getting way out of my league!!! :D | 23:10 |
| airurando | he he | 23:11 |
| airurando | horses for courses | 23:11 |
| airurando | procaryotic geneticswhat the hell am I doing here? | 23:11 |
| mokmeister | true | 23:11 |
| mokmeister | hahaha | 23:11 |
| airurando | clearly I took a wrong turn somewhere ;-) | 23:12 |
| mokmeister | my true statement was intended towards your horses for courses statement rather tan the what am i doing here statement | 23:12 |
| mokmeister | :) | 23:12 |
| mokmeister | Yah, not at all, I can clearly see how an interest in procaryotic genetics would lead you to have an interest in Open Source software... ;) | 23:13 |
| airurando | please enlighten me | 23:14 |
| mokmeister | I couldn't enlighten you any more than you already are! :D | 23:15 |
| mokmeister | No, I was messing | 23:15 |
| airurando | hehehe | 23:15 |
| mokmeister | I have no idea how procaryotic genetics and ubuntu go together! | 23:16 |
| airurando | you should look over my testimonials on my wiki page | 23:16 |
| airurando | I am not a geek | 23:16 |
| mokmeister | where's your wiki? | 23:17 |
| mokmeister | HAve I skimmed it? ;) | 23:18 |
| airurando | clearly....... | 23:18 |
| airurando | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeODonohue | 23:19 |
| mokmeister | thanks | 23:19 |
| airurando | come to think of you you never gave me a testimonial mokmeister | 23:20 |
| airurando | you are dead to me... ;-) | 23:20 |
| airurando | only messing :-) | 23:26 |
| airurando | just in case... | 23:26 |
| mokmeister | Just reading your wiki! | 23:28 |
| mokmeister | Pretty good too! | 23:28 |
| mokmeister | I'll have to think of a testimonial! | 23:29 |
| airurando | he he | 23:29 |
| mokmeister | "Mike is to Ubuntu what procaryotics are to genetics" | 23:30 |
| airurando | he he | 23:30 |
| mokmeister | How's that for a start? | 23:30 |
| airurando | you are too late | 23:30 |
| mokmeister | darn! | 23:30 |
| airurando | I am an Ubuntu Member already | 23:30 |
| airurando | even without you | 23:30 |
| mokmeister | hehehehe! | 23:30 |
| mokmeister | I was interested to see you try to get involvement in your kids school | 23:32 |
| mokmeister | How did you get on, and the like? | 23:32 |
| airurando | not great in the end | 23:32 |
| mokmeister | I was at a parent teacher association meeting there and brought up scratch and coder dojo and the like, and the principle asked me if I'd get involved. | 23:33 |
| mokmeister | oh? How so? | 23:33 |
| airurando | my kids use ubuntu and probably some of their friends but no take up in the school proper | 23:33 |
| mokmeister | I was hoping to get a live CD / USB with scrathc and all that ready for the school | 23:33 |
| airurando | mokmeister you so should | 23:34 |
| mokmeister | yeah, just a case of getting down to it. | 23:34 |
| airurando | do | 23:34 |
| airurando | DO | 23:34 |
| airurando | and blog about it | 23:34 |
| airurando | you are Clare right | 23:34 |
| mokmeister | don't blog | 23:34 |
| mokmeister | yep | 23:35 |
| mokmeister | Sixmilebridge | 23:35 |
| airurando | well tell me you story and my four time s ayear blog will benefit | 23:35 |
| airurando | what dojo is nearest? | 23:35 |
| mokmeister | ok! | 23:35 |
| mokmeister | there's one in Limerick and Ennis. | 23:35 |
| mokmeister | I've emailed them both without response. | 23:36 |
| airurando | surprising | 23:36 |
| mokmeister | They have dojos on Saturdays | 23:36 |
| airurando | thought they would both grab you | 23:36 |
| mokmeister | I was thinking of calling in with the kids but never got around to it. | 23:36 |
| airurando | you should | 23:37 |
| airurando | I have a friend here in athy who is more a hardware guy | 23:37 |
| mokmeister | Actually, just thinking of the kids there, I think Ubuntu has hit onto a good thing with Unity. They both prefer it to anything else. | 23:37 |
| mokmeister | ok | 23:38 |
| airurando | both my kids like it also | 23:38 |
| airurando | well this friend wants to get something like coderdojo up and running in athy but more hardware I expect :-( | 23:39 |
| mokmeister | Julie is great, her teacher is always having troubles with her Windows PC. She told her she should use Ubuntu. I burned an Edubuntu disk for her and she brought it in. She also tried to fix the computer. | 23:39 |
| mokmeister | Well, hardware is good too. | 23:40 |
| mokmeister | A couple of Arduinos and a couple of PIs with scratch loaded on them, no end to what everyone could get up to! | 23:40 |
| airurando | yeah no doubt. But even further from my area of expertise | 23:40 |
| airurando | Eric Cantona in a film on TG4 | 23:42 |
| airurando | bolt out of the blue | 23:42 |
| mokmeister | airurando: did you ever try the likes of http://www.codecademy.com/ | 23:42 |
| mokmeister | might pique your interest? | 23:42 |
| mokmeister | Eric Cantona? | 23:42 |
| mokmeister | Wow! | 23:42 |
| airurando | yeah heard of codeacademy.com | 23:43 |
| airurando | bought a few python and linux books | 23:43 |
| airurando | Interest is high for years | 23:44 |
| airurando | time is limiting | 23:44 |
| airurando | wife, two kids and other interests | 23:44 |
| airurando | and I don't mean that in a bad way | 23:44 |
| mokmeister | Yeah, I know exactly where you're coming from. Only so many hours in the day at the end of the day, as it were! | 23:46 |
| airurando | aye, and with that in mind a hectic Saturday beckons so I best be off to bed. | 23:47 |
| mokmeister | speaking of which, I'm gonna hit the sack, end of the day for me! | 23:47 |
| airurando | Great chatting to you | 23:47 |
| mokmeister | great minds think alike! | 23:48 |
| airurando | hehe | 23:48 |
| mokmeister | indeed! Nice one | 23:48 |
| airurando | take care | 23:48 |
| mokmeister | you too | 23:48 |
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