=== zmoylan1 is now known as zmoylan [21:49] evening [22:01] Evening airurando, hope all is well [22:01] Just watched Starship Troopers Invasion, class! [22:01] Hey mokmeister [22:01] all good here [22:02] Non stop shooting up alien bugs [22:02] and with you? [22:02] good to hear. Yeah, all's grand here [22:02] he he sounds fun [22:02] Yes indeed. [22:02] Any plans for the weekend? [22:03] mokmeister: will you be able to attend the irc meeting next Thursday? [22:03] Cork this weekend for us! [22:03] yep, I hope to. [22:03] Very nice [22:03] excellent [22:04] * airurando is not the fastest on the keyboard so he is spending his Friday night typing notes for the meeting. [22:04] sad but true... [22:05] It'll take now til Thursday to type them up? How long is this meeting? ;) [22:07] So what's the agenda for the meeting anyway? [22:07] are you not on the mailing list mokmeister? [22:08] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/630/detail/ [22:08] I am on the mailing list [22:10] feck did my mail to the list not arrive? [22:11] Some interesting topics. Hope we have a good attendance [22:11] sent announcement re next meeting, including agenda, on the 24th [22:12] Hope I remember to attend! :D [22:12] hang on, I'll check [22:12] Yep, I got it alright. [22:13] good [22:13] read you e-mails!!!! [22:13] Probably just skimmed it at the time, didn't check the agenda, I know that much [22:13] I know! [22:13] skimmed it!!! [22:13] And READ, not skim! [22:13] I am hurt [22:13] hahaha! [22:13] Sorrry! [22:14] I know I prattle on at times [22:14] trying to curb that [22:14] Ah no, you're far from the worst prattler there is! [22:14] Not that you're a prattler either! :D [22:15] Am I prattling now? ;) [22:15] Oh you are just full of compliments tonight! [22:15] hehehe! [22:15] It's a Friday night, happy days! [22:16] what do you think of http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/3319678/size/992 [22:16] let me have a look... [22:16] as a kick off point for the LoCo reboot [22:18] I wonder would it be a better idea to hold more frequent meetings? [22:19] And I'm just throwing it out there like [22:19] yeah fair point [22:19] but if there were more frequent meetings it might help make more of a bond within the community [22:19] but it got a bit mundane before we crashed [22:19] yeah, I know what you mean. [22:20] I want to start slow and seee what develops, if anything [22:20] indeed. [22:20] at the quarterly meetings we could discuss impending events [22:20] Start too slow though and it might just peter out [22:20] vUDSs [22:20] UJGs [22:21] Release Parties [22:21] might peter out [22:21] but [22:21] monthly was hard with little to discuss [22:22] we would have solid items for discussion at quarterly meetings [22:22] just banter here [22:22] true. [22:22] I don't know what the answer is [22:22] just ideas [22:22] Yeah, I don't know either. [22:23] no doubt there is genuine good will [22:23] but also no doubt we have lost rock stars due to some recent decisions [22:23] rebuilding is required [22:24] I was a regular on PCLinux OS forums for a good while, and I found the IRC channel kept me coming back to the forums and the like. That channel has fairly much died in the last year or so though. [22:24] ups and downs of any open source project I suppose [22:24] Again, loss of rockstars and other infighting and the like kinda killed it I think [22:25] Yes indeed. [22:25] infighting is so destructive [22:25] Tis [22:25] Twould be good to build something good here though and keep it going [22:26] I don't agree with everything but I don't presume I am the be all and end all [22:26] we live in a world or grey [22:26] and consensus only goes so far [22:26] I like Ubuntu, it's got a lot going for it, I sometimes wonder though does the commercial side of things hurt the community side of things. [22:26] consensus is dull [22:26] hahaha! [22:27] Consensus keeps the world spinning! :D [22:27] of course commercial interests will dampen community [22:27] but I argue I should not [22:27] a strong single minded direction is warranted [22:28] row in behind unless you TOTALLY are against the direction [22:28] yeah, I've been reading alot of what Mark Shuttleworth has been saying regarding community and single minded decisions and the like. [22:29] And alot of what he has been saying makes sense. [22:29] Someone has to make the tough decisions. [22:29] aye [22:29] and I think the fact that Ubuntu is as popular as it is sometimes makes it difficult to introduce change [22:30] People do like to bash what's popular. [22:30] and I recognise it it very easy for me to take my position as a user rather that a contributor [22:30] But that's not the only reason why people object to what's being done either. [22:30] no easay answer [22:30] *easy [22:31] There are some valid criticism of some of the directions being taken [22:31] indeed [22:31] but if you disagree with your boss so you quit? [22:31] Yeah, I don't contribute half as much as I would like, but I try at the same time... [22:31] hahaha! [22:32] work to make it better and stronger. [22:32] Depends on how much you love your job [22:32] (or you need the money) [22:32] fight from within. [22:33] my view [22:33] open source is way too black and white [22:33] Fighting from within is valid only of there is a chance of success. [22:33] There is no point fighting to lose [22:33] you either love it or hate it [22:33] I've never been a fan of the last stand kinda thing! [22:33] someone has to loose [22:33] feck [22:33] lose [22:34] bad example here [22:34] but [22:34] hmmm, I'm not so sure. [22:34] Steve Jobs [22:34] go on anyway, I'm listening [22:34] Apple [22:35] could you imagine apple being open source? [22:35] Nope [22:35] iOS [22:35] OSX [22:35] now [22:36] could you imagine any open source project achieving the same prominance [22:36] No. [22:36] No single project will [22:37] but I think FOSS will eventually eclipse anything the likes of Apple could ever do. [22:37] It only stands to reason. [22:37] after 30 years in existance linux has not reached the masses [22:37] why [22:38] Passionate, committed people making the very best software that is open to peer review can only lead to great things [22:38] apples version of linux/BSD did reach the masses [22:38] mokmeister: linux has had the most passionate committed people ever since its inception [22:39] I suppose there may be a point to the taking the best of FOSS and polishing it and then marketing the hell out of it. [22:39] Yep [22:39] And that is why it is where it is today. [22:39] you need someone, one person, to have the correct vision. [22:40] an open source steve jobs [22:40] canonical.. now software and hardware... [22:40] perfect [22:40] And your thinking is that person is Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's benevolent dictator for life? [22:40] possibly [22:41] maybe not [22:41] but I admire him for trying [22:41] Absolutely. [22:41] his ideas will fly or they wont [22:41] At least he's floating them out there! [22:41] but damn I admire him totally and I feel it is the right approach [22:42] wish I had the 700 dollar ish amount to support the edge [22:42] broken leg earlier in the year has that scuppered [22:42] I admire him too. Linux on the desktop would not be where it is today only for Ubuntu, and he made that happen. [22:42] will definitely give 20 to the effort [22:43] How's the leg anyway? [22:43] coming along [22:44] I went for the first day promo, shouldn't really be spending that kind of money on gadgets but I just think it'd be really cool to be part of history in the making. [22:44] well done you [22:44] maybe not so much be a part but at least own a part! :D [22:44] I keep looking at it but no chance here [22:44] What those guys are doing just rocks [22:45] I am torturing myself [22:45] definitely [22:45] * airurando hopes it goes on general sale in 2014/2015 [22:45] :-) [22:46] Won't happen. Concept phone and all, the mass market phone, if ever picked up by some manufacturer, won't be the same. [22:46] :-( [22:47] well then I hope there is a later option to buy the ubuntu edge [22:47] you have me worried now mokmeister [22:47] :-( [22:47] oops! [22:47] :D [22:47] had hoped to get one down the line. [22:48] You might be able to get the next corwd sourced concept phone! :D [22:49] corwd? Am I turning Welsh? I meant Crowd! [22:50] don't want the next one..... [22:50] want this one [22:50] up to 775 dollars now........ [22:50] further out of reach...... [22:51] yeah, that's why I was on it on day one. As much as I like the whole concept, and it is probably worth it, I just wouldn't be able to go to $830 for a phuter. [22:51] contributions are slowing [22:52] I kinda thought about it and said if I didn't do it on day one, I'd never do it, and I wanted to so I did! [22:52] hope it make it to 32 mill but I can't see it hsppening [22:52] contributions are slowing, aren't they. [22:52] aye [22:52] of the projections I've seen none of them seem to show them making the $32M [22:53] which is an awful shame. [22:53] aye :-( [22:53] hopefully they can pull something out of the bag. [22:53] or somethings [22:53] Twould want to be a pretty big something! [22:54] Maybe you know how there's a donation on the download page, they should redirect that towards the crowd sourcing page. [22:54] Might help [22:55] good idea... [22:55] still small help [22:55] yeah [22:57] If I win the lotto I will go for the 80,000 level and give an edge to my 99 best friends [22:57] I've been thinking the same thing! [22:58] I'd love if my company got involved, but being a conservative utility type I can't see it happen, despite my encouragement. [22:59] Of course I'm only expressing my own opinions here and anything I say do not reflect in any way on any opinion my company may hold [22:59] or course [22:59] just to get the disclaimer out of the way and all that! :D [22:59] hehehe [23:00] ;) [23:00] Cool, here we are at the start of a new day! [23:01] you say that like it is a good thing......... [23:01] Of course it is! We've lived to see another day, what could be better! [23:02] airurando: Were you talking about hangouts and the like in a mailing list post recently, or am I dreaming? [23:03] I think it would be a good idea to maybe try one, put faces to nicks and all that. [23:03] you are right [23:03] I agree [23:03] did you read Jeffreys response [23:03] don't tell me you skimmed it [23:03] ermmm, what was I saying about skimming earlier... [23:03] oh, beat me to it! [23:04] ;_) [23:04] :D [23:04] so what did he say again? ;) [23:04] I thing a hangout could help with lots of things [23:04] Jeffrey pointed out not open source [23:05] also people don't want google a/cs [23:05] fair point [23:05] but [23:05] absolutely. [23:05] fair point. [23:06] I think we could use hangouts during meetings and for UGJs [23:06] hey, maybe that could be a project for us, to set up a video conferencing system with jitsi or something [23:06] dunno how feasible that would be, but might be something worth exploring. [23:06] As much for fun as anything else [23:06] WARNING WARNING mokmeister you are flying well above my head with that one [23:07] Might get people interested in a bit of hacking [23:07] hahaha! [23:07] Sounds great but WAY out of my league [23:07] ah sure once you'd get into you'd be flying well over it! [23:08] give me bacterial and procaryotic genetics anyday [23:08] *bacteria [23:08] yeah, it all sounds great talking about, it's the implementation that can be a bit tricky! ;) [23:08] exciting idea though [23:09] procaryotic genetics? Jeez, what on earth is that? [23:09] really exciting [23:09] your idea that is [23:10] procaryotic genetics = bacterial genetics [23:10] eucaryotic genetice is everything else from yeasts to us [23:10] ok [23:10] WARNING! Now you're getting way out of my league!!! :D [23:11] he he [23:11] horses for courses [23:11] procaryotic geneticswhat the hell am I doing here? [23:11] true [23:11] hahaha [23:12] clearly I took a wrong turn somewhere ;-) [23:12] my true statement was intended towards your horses for courses statement rather tan the what am i doing here statement [23:12] :) [23:13] Yah, not at all, I can clearly see how an interest in procaryotic genetics would lead you to have an interest in Open Source software... ;) [23:14] please enlighten me [23:15] I couldn't enlighten you any more than you already are! :D [23:15] No, I was messing [23:15] hehehe [23:16] I have no idea how procaryotic genetics and ubuntu go together! [23:16] you should look over my testimonials on my wiki page [23:16] I am not a geek [23:17] where's your wiki? [23:18] HAve I skimmed it? ;) [23:18] clearly....... [23:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeODonohue [23:19] thanks [23:20] come to think of you you never gave me a testimonial mokmeister [23:20] you are dead to me... ;-) [23:26] only messing :-) [23:26] just in case... [23:28] Just reading your wiki! [23:28] Pretty good too! [23:29] I'll have to think of a testimonial! [23:29] he he [23:30] "Mike is to Ubuntu what procaryotics are to genetics" [23:30] he he [23:30] How's that for a start? [23:30] you are too late [23:30] darn! [23:30] I am an Ubuntu Member already [23:30] even without you [23:30] hehehehe! [23:32] I was interested to see you try to get involvement in your kids school [23:32] How did you get on, and the like? [23:32] not great in the end [23:33] I was at a parent teacher association meeting there and brought up scratch and coder dojo and the like, and the principle asked me if I'd get involved. [23:33] oh? How so? [23:33] my kids use ubuntu and probably some of their friends but no take up in the school proper [23:33] I was hoping to get a live CD / USB with scrathc and all that ready for the school [23:34] mokmeister you so should [23:34] yeah, just a case of getting down to it. [23:34] do [23:34] DO [23:34] and blog about it [23:34] you are Clare right [23:34] don't blog [23:35] yep [23:35] Sixmilebridge [23:35] well tell me you story and my four time s ayear blog will benefit [23:35] what dojo is nearest? [23:35] ok! [23:35] there's one in Limerick and Ennis. [23:36] I've emailed them both without response. [23:36] surprising [23:36] They have dojos on Saturdays [23:36] thought they would both grab you [23:36] I was thinking of calling in with the kids but never got around to it. [23:37] you should [23:37] I have a friend here in athy who is more a hardware guy [23:37] Actually, just thinking of the kids there, I think Ubuntu has hit onto a good thing with Unity. They both prefer it to anything else. [23:38] ok [23:38] both my kids like it also [23:39] well this friend wants to get something like coderdojo up and running in athy but more hardware I expect :-( [23:39] Julie is great, her teacher is always having troubles with her Windows PC. She told her she should use Ubuntu. I burned an Edubuntu disk for her and she brought it in. She also tried to fix the computer. [23:40] Well, hardware is good too. [23:40] A couple of Arduinos and a couple of PIs with scratch loaded on them, no end to what everyone could get up to! [23:40] yeah no doubt. But even further from my area of expertise [23:42] Eric Cantona in a film on TG4 [23:42] bolt out of the blue [23:42] airurando: did you ever try the likes of http://www.codecademy.com/ [23:42] might pique your interest? [23:42] Eric Cantona? [23:42] Wow! [23:43] yeah heard of codeacademy.com [23:43] bought a few python and linux books [23:44] Interest is high for years [23:44] time is limiting [23:44] wife, two kids and other interests [23:44] and I don't mean that in a bad way [23:46] Yeah, I know exactly where you're coming from. Only so many hours in the day at the end of the day, as it were! [23:47] aye, and with that in mind a hectic Saturday beckons so I best be off to bed. [23:47] speaking of which, I'm gonna hit the sack, end of the day for me! [23:47] Great chatting to you [23:48] great minds think alike! [23:48] hehe [23:48] indeed! Nice one [23:48] take care [23:48] you too