[21:49] <airurando> evening
[22:01] <mokmeister> Evening airurando, hope all is well
[22:01] <mokmeister> Just watched Starship Troopers Invasion, class!
[22:01] <airurando> Hey mokmeister
[22:01] <airurando> all good here
[22:02] <mokmeister> Non stop shooting up alien bugs
[22:02] <airurando> and with you?
[22:02] <mokmeister> good to hear. Yeah, all's grand here
[22:02] <airurando> he he sounds fun
[22:02] <mokmeister> Yes indeed.
[22:02] <mokmeister> Any plans for the weekend?
[22:03] <airurando> mokmeister: will you be able to attend the irc meeting next Thursday?
[22:03] <airurando> Cork this weekend for us!
[22:03] <mokmeister> yep, I hope to.
[22:03] <mokmeister> Very nice
[22:03] <airurando> excellent
[22:04]  * airurando is not the fastest on the keyboard so he is spending his Friday night typing notes for the meeting.
[22:04] <airurando> sad  but true...
[22:05] <mokmeister> It'll take now til Thursday to type them up? How long is this meeting? ;)
[22:07] <mokmeister> So what's the agenda for the meeting anyway?
[22:07] <airurando> are you not on the mailing list mokmeister?
[22:08] <airurando> http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/630/detail/
[22:08] <mokmeister> I am on the mailing list
[22:10] <airurando> feck did my mail to the list not arrive?
[22:11] <mokmeister> Some interesting topics. Hope we have a good attendance
[22:11] <airurando> sent announcement re next meeting, including agenda, on the 24th
[22:12] <mokmeister> Hope I remember to attend! :D
[22:12] <mokmeister> hang on, I'll check
[22:12] <mokmeister> Yep, I got it alright.
[22:13] <airurando> good
[22:13] <airurando> read you e-mails!!!!
[22:13] <mokmeister> Probably just skimmed it at the time, didn't check the agenda, I know that much
[22:13] <mokmeister> I know!
[22:13] <airurando> skimmed it!!!
[22:13] <mokmeister> And READ, not skim!
[22:13] <airurando> I am hurt
[22:13] <mokmeister> hahaha!
[22:13] <mokmeister> Sorrry!
[22:14] <airurando> I know I prattle on at times
[22:14] <airurando> trying to curb that
[22:14] <mokmeister> Ah no, you're far from the worst prattler there is!
[22:14] <mokmeister> Not that you're a prattler either! :D
[22:15] <mokmeister> Am I prattling now? ;)
[22:15] <airurando> Oh you are just full of compliments tonight!
[22:15] <mokmeister> hehehe!
[22:15] <mokmeister> It's a Friday night, happy days!
[22:16] <airurando> what do you think of http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/3319678/size/992
[22:16] <mokmeister> let me have a look...
[22:16] <airurando> as a kick off point for the LoCo reboot
[22:18] <mokmeister> I wonder would it be a better idea to hold more frequent meetings?
[22:19] <mokmeister> And I'm just throwing it out there like
[22:19] <airurando> yeah fair point
[22:19] <mokmeister> but if there were more frequent meetings it might help make more of a bond within the community
[22:19] <airurando> but it got a bit mundane before we crashed
[22:19] <mokmeister> yeah, I know what you mean.
[22:20] <airurando> I want to start slow and seee what develops, if anything
[22:20] <mokmeister> indeed.
[22:20] <airurando> at the quarterly meetings we could discuss impending events
[22:20] <mokmeister> Start too slow though and it might just peter out
[22:20] <airurando> vUDSs
[22:20] <airurando> UJGs
[22:21] <airurando> Release Parties
[22:21] <airurando> might peter out
[22:21] <airurando> but
[22:21] <airurando> monthly was hard with little to discuss
[22:22] <airurando> we would have solid items for discussion at quarterly meetings
[22:22] <airurando> just banter here
[22:22] <mokmeister> true.
[22:22] <airurando> I don't know what the answer is
[22:22] <airurando> just ideas
[22:22] <mokmeister> Yeah, I don't know either.
[22:23] <airurando> no doubt there is genuine good will
[22:23] <airurando> but also no doubt we have lost rock stars due to some recent decisions
[22:23] <airurando> rebuilding is required
[22:24] <mokmeister> I was a regular on PCLinux OS forums for a good while, and I found the IRC channel kept me coming back to the forums and the like. That channel has fairly much died in the last year or so though.
[22:24] <airurando> ups and downs of any open source project I suppose
[22:24] <mokmeister> Again, loss of rockstars and other infighting and the like kinda killed it I think
[22:25] <mokmeister> Yes indeed.
[22:25] <airurando> infighting is so destructive
[22:25] <mokmeister> Tis
[22:25] <mokmeister> Twould be good to build something good here though and keep it going
[22:26] <airurando> I don't agree with everything but I don't presume I am the be all and end all
[22:26] <airurando> we live in a world or grey
[22:26] <airurando> and consensus only goes so far
[22:26] <mokmeister> I like Ubuntu, it's got a lot going for it, I sometimes wonder though does the commercial side of things hurt the community side of things.
[22:26] <airurando> consensus is dull
[22:26] <mokmeister> hahaha!
[22:27] <mokmeister> Consensus keeps the world spinning! :D
[22:27] <airurando> of course commercial interests will dampen community
[22:27] <airurando> but I argue I should not
[22:27] <airurando> a strong single minded direction is warranted
[22:28] <airurando> row in behind unless you TOTALLY are against the direction
[22:28] <mokmeister> yeah, I've been reading alot of what Mark Shuttleworth has been saying regarding community and single minded decisions and the like.
[22:29] <mokmeister> And alot of what he has been saying makes sense.
[22:29] <mokmeister> Someone has to make the tough decisions.
[22:29] <airurando> aye
[22:29] <mokmeister> and I think the fact that Ubuntu is as popular as it is sometimes makes it difficult to introduce change
[22:30] <mokmeister> People do like to bash what's popular.
[22:30] <airurando> and I recognise it it very easy for me to take my position as a user rather that a contributor
[22:30] <mokmeister> But that's not the only reason why people object to what's being done either.
[22:30] <airurando> no easay answer
[22:30] <airurando> *easy
[22:31] <mokmeister> There are some valid criticism of some of the directions being taken
[22:31] <airurando> indeed
[22:31] <airurando> but if you disagree with your boss so you quit?
[22:31] <mokmeister> Yeah, I don't contribute half as much as I would like, but I try at the same time...
[22:31] <mokmeister> hahaha!
[22:32] <airurando> work to make it better and stronger.
[22:32] <mokmeister> Depends on how much you love your job
[22:32] <mokmeister> (or you need the money)
[22:32] <airurando> fight from within.
[22:33] <airurando> my view
[22:33] <airurando> open source is way too black and white
[22:33] <mokmeister> Fighting from within is valid only of there is a chance of success.
[22:33] <mokmeister> There is no point fighting to lose
[22:33] <airurando> you either love it or hate it
[22:33] <mokmeister> I've never been a fan of the last stand kinda thing!
[22:33] <airurando> someone has to loose
[22:33] <airurando> feck
[22:33] <airurando> lose
[22:34] <airurando> bad example here
[22:34] <airurando> but
[22:34] <mokmeister> hmmm, I'm not so sure.
[22:34] <airurando> Steve Jobs
[22:34] <mokmeister> go on anyway, I'm listening
[22:34] <airurando> Apple
[22:35] <airurando> could you imagine apple being open source?
[22:35] <mokmeister> Nope
[22:35] <airurando> iOS
[22:35] <airurando> OSX
[22:35] <airurando> now
[22:36] <airurando> could you imagine any open source project achieving the same prominance
[22:36] <mokmeister> No.
[22:36] <mokmeister> No single project will
[22:37] <mokmeister> but I think FOSS will eventually eclipse anything the likes of Apple could ever do.
[22:37] <mokmeister> It only stands to reason.
[22:37] <airurando> after 30 years in existance linux has not reached the masses
[22:37] <airurando> why
[22:38] <mokmeister> Passionate, committed people making the very best software that is open to peer review can only lead to great things
[22:38] <airurando> apples version of linux/BSD did reach the masses
[22:38] <airurando> mokmeister: linux has had the most passionate committed people ever since its inception
[22:39] <mokmeister> I suppose there may be a point to the taking the best of FOSS and polishing it and then marketing the hell out of it.
[22:39] <mokmeister> Yep
[22:39] <mokmeister> And that is why it is where it is today.
[22:39] <airurando> you need someone, one person, to have the correct vision.
[22:40] <airurando> an open source steve jobs
[22:40] <airurando> canonical.. now software and hardware...
[22:40] <airurando> perfect
[22:40] <mokmeister> And your thinking is that person is Mark Shuttleworth, Ubuntu's benevolent dictator for life?
[22:40] <airurando> possibly
[22:41] <airurando> maybe not
[22:41] <airurando> but I admire him for trying
[22:41] <mokmeister> Absolutely.
[22:41] <airurando> his ideas will fly or they wont
[22:41] <mokmeister> At least he's floating them out there!
[22:41] <airurando> but damn I admire him totally and I feel it is the right approach
[22:42] <airurando> wish I had the 700 dollar ish amount to support the edge
[22:42] <airurando> broken leg earlier in the year has that scuppered
[22:42] <mokmeister> I admire him too. Linux on the desktop would not be where it is today only for Ubuntu, and he made that happen.
[22:42] <airurando> will definitely give 20 to the effort
[22:43] <mokmeister> How's the leg anyway?
[22:43] <airurando> coming along
[22:44] <mokmeister> I went for the first day promo, shouldn't really be spending that kind of money on gadgets but I just think it'd be really cool to be part of history in the making.
[22:44] <airurando> well done you
[22:44] <mokmeister> maybe not so much be a part but at least own a part! :D
[22:44] <airurando> I keep looking at it but no chance here
[22:44] <mokmeister> What those guys are doing just rocks
[22:45] <airurando> I am torturing myself
[22:45] <airurando> definitely
[22:45]  * airurando hopes it goes on general sale in 2014/2015
[22:45] <airurando> :-)
[22:46] <mokmeister> Won't happen. Concept phone and all, the mass market phone, if ever picked up by some manufacturer, won't be the same.
[22:46] <airurando> :-(
[22:47] <airurando> well then I hope there is a later option to buy the ubuntu edge
[22:47] <airurando> you have me worried now mokmeister
[22:47] <airurando> :-(
[22:47] <mokmeister> oops!
[22:47] <mokmeister> :D
[22:47] <airurando> had hoped to get one down the line.
[22:48] <mokmeister> You might be able to get the next corwd sourced concept phone! :D
[22:49] <mokmeister> corwd? Am I turning Welsh? I meant Crowd!
[22:50] <airurando> don't want the next one.....
[22:50] <airurando> want this one
[22:50] <airurando> up to 775 dollars now........
[22:50] <airurando> further out of reach......
[22:51] <mokmeister> yeah, that's why I was on it on day one. As much as I like the whole concept, and it is probably worth it, I just wouldn't be able to go to $830 for a phuter.
[22:51] <airurando> contributions are slowing
[22:52] <mokmeister> I kinda thought about it and said if I didn't do it on day one, I'd never do it, and I wanted to so I did!
[22:52] <airurando> hope it make it to 32 mill but I can't see it hsppening
[22:52] <mokmeister> contributions are slowing, aren't they.
[22:52] <airurando> aye
[22:52] <mokmeister> of the projections I've seen none of them seem to show them making the $32M
[22:53] <mokmeister> which is an awful shame.
[22:53] <airurando> aye :-(
[22:53] <airurando> hopefully they can pull something out of the bag.
[22:53] <airurando> or somethings
[22:53] <mokmeister> Twould want to be a pretty big something!
[22:54] <mokmeister> Maybe you know how there's a donation on the download page, they should redirect that towards the crowd sourcing page.
[22:54] <mokmeister> Might help
[22:55] <airurando> good idea...
[22:55] <airurando> still small help
[22:55] <mokmeister> yeah
[22:57] <airurando> If I win the lotto I will go for the 80,000 level and give an edge to my 99 best friends
[22:57] <mokmeister> I've been thinking the same thing!
[22:58] <mokmeister> I'd love if my company got involved, but being a conservative utility type I can't see it happen, despite my encouragement.
[22:59] <mokmeister> Of course I'm only expressing my own opinions here and anything I say do not reflect in any way on any opinion my company may hold
[22:59] <airurando> or course
[22:59] <mokmeister> just to get the disclaimer out of the way and all that! :D
[22:59] <airurando> hehehe
[23:00] <mokmeister> ;)
[23:00] <mokmeister> Cool, here we are at the start of a new day!
[23:01] <airurando> you say that like it is a good thing.........
[23:01] <mokmeister> Of course it is! We've lived to see another day, what could be better!
[23:02] <mokmeister> airurando: Were you talking about hangouts and the like in a mailing list post recently, or am I dreaming?
[23:03] <mokmeister> I think it would be a good idea to maybe try one, put faces to nicks and all that.
[23:03] <airurando> you are right
[23:03] <airurando> I agree
[23:03] <airurando> did you read Jeffreys response
[23:03] <airurando> don't tell me you skimmed it
[23:03] <mokmeister> ermmm, what was I saying about skimming earlier...
[23:03] <mokmeister> oh, beat me to it!
[23:04] <airurando> ;_)
[23:04] <mokmeister> :D
[23:04] <mokmeister> so what did he say again? ;)
[23:04] <airurando> I thing a hangout could help with lots of things
[23:04] <airurando> Jeffrey pointed out not open source
[23:05] <airurando> also people don't want google a/cs
[23:05] <airurando> fair point
[23:05] <airurando> but
[23:05] <mokmeister> absolutely.
[23:05] <mokmeister> fair point.
[23:06] <airurando> I think we could use hangouts during meetings and for UGJs
[23:06] <mokmeister> hey, maybe that could be a project for us, to set up a video conferencing system with jitsi or something
[23:06] <mokmeister> dunno how feasible that would be, but might be something worth exploring.
[23:06] <mokmeister> As much for fun as anything else
[23:06] <airurando> WARNING WARNING mokmeister you are flying well above my head with that one
[23:07] <mokmeister> Might get people interested in a bit of hacking
[23:07] <mokmeister> hahaha!
[23:07] <airurando> Sounds great but WAY out of my league
[23:07] <mokmeister> ah sure once you'd get into you'd be flying well over it!
[23:08] <airurando> give me bacterial and procaryotic genetics anyday
[23:08] <airurando> *bacteria
[23:08] <mokmeister> yeah, it all sounds great talking about, it's the implementation that can be a bit tricky! ;)
[23:08] <airurando> exciting idea though
[23:09] <mokmeister> procaryotic genetics? Jeez, what on earth is that?
[23:09] <airurando> really exciting
[23:09] <airurando> your idea that is
[23:10] <airurando> procaryotic genetics = bacterial genetics
[23:10] <airurando> eucaryotic genetice is everything else from yeasts to us
[23:10] <mokmeister> ok
[23:10] <mokmeister> WARNING! Now you're getting way out of my league!!! :D
[23:11] <airurando> he he
[23:11] <airurando> horses for courses
[23:11] <airurando> procaryotic geneticswhat the hell am I doing here?
[23:11] <mokmeister> true
[23:11] <mokmeister> hahaha
[23:12] <airurando> clearly I took a wrong turn somewhere ;-)
[23:12] <mokmeister> my true statement was intended towards your horses for courses statement rather tan the what am i doing here statement
[23:12] <mokmeister> :)
[23:13] <mokmeister> Yah, not at all,  I can clearly see how an interest in procaryotic genetics would lead you to have an interest in Open Source software... ;)
[23:14] <airurando> please enlighten me
[23:15] <mokmeister> I couldn't enlighten you any more than you already are! :D
[23:15] <mokmeister> No, I was messing
[23:15] <airurando> hehehe
[23:16] <mokmeister> I have no idea how procaryotic genetics and ubuntu go together!
[23:16] <airurando> you should look over my testimonials on my wiki page
[23:16] <airurando> I am not a geek
[23:17] <mokmeister> where's your wiki?
[23:18] <mokmeister> HAve I skimmed it? ;)
[23:18] <airurando> clearly.......
[23:19] <airurando> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MikeODonohue
[23:19] <mokmeister> thanks
[23:20] <airurando> come to think of you you never gave me a testimonial mokmeister
[23:20] <airurando> you are dead to me... ;-)
[23:26] <airurando> only messing :-)
[23:26] <airurando> just in case...
[23:28] <mokmeister> Just reading your wiki!
[23:28] <mokmeister> Pretty good too!
[23:29] <mokmeister> I'll have to think of a testimonial!
[23:29] <airurando> he he
[23:30] <mokmeister> "Mike is to Ubuntu what procaryotics are to genetics"
[23:30] <airurando> he he
[23:30] <mokmeister> How's that for a start?
[23:30] <airurando> you are too late
[23:30] <mokmeister> darn!
[23:30] <airurando> I am an Ubuntu Member already
[23:30] <airurando> even without you
[23:30] <mokmeister> hehehehe!
[23:32] <mokmeister> I was interested to see you try to get involvement in your kids school
[23:32] <mokmeister> How did you get on, and the like?
[23:32] <airurando> not great in the end
[23:33] <mokmeister> I was at a parent teacher association meeting there and brought up scratch and coder dojo and the like, and the principle asked me if I'd get involved.
[23:33] <mokmeister> oh? How so?
[23:33] <airurando> my kids use ubuntu and probably some of their friends but no take up in the school proper
[23:33] <mokmeister> I was hoping to get a live CD / USB with scrathc and all that ready for the school
[23:34] <airurando> mokmeister you so should
[23:34] <mokmeister> yeah, just a case of getting down to it.
[23:34] <airurando> do
[23:34] <airurando> DO
[23:34] <airurando> and blog about it
[23:34] <airurando> you are Clare right
[23:34] <mokmeister> don't blog
[23:35] <mokmeister> yep
[23:35] <mokmeister> Sixmilebridge
[23:35] <airurando> well tell me you story and my four time s ayear blog will benefit
[23:35] <airurando> what dojo is nearest?
[23:35] <mokmeister> ok!
[23:35] <mokmeister> there's one in Limerick and Ennis.
[23:36] <mokmeister> I've emailed them both without response.
[23:36] <airurando> surprising
[23:36] <mokmeister> They have dojos on Saturdays
[23:36] <airurando> thought they would both grab you
[23:36] <mokmeister> I was thinking of calling in with the kids but never got around to it.
[23:37] <airurando> you should
[23:37] <airurando> I have a friend here in athy who is more a hardware guy
[23:37] <mokmeister> Actually, just thinking of the kids there, I think Ubuntu has hit onto a good thing with Unity. They both prefer it to anything else.
[23:38] <mokmeister> ok
[23:38] <airurando> both my kids like it also
[23:39] <airurando> well this friend wants to get something like coderdojo up and running in athy but more hardware I expect :-(
[23:39] <mokmeister> Julie is great, her teacher is always having troubles with her Windows PC. She told her she should use Ubuntu. I burned an Edubuntu disk for her and she brought it in. She also tried to fix the computer.
[23:40] <mokmeister> Well, hardware is good too.
[23:40] <mokmeister> A couple of Arduinos and a couple of PIs with scratch loaded on them, no end to what everyone could get up to!
[23:40] <airurando> yeah no doubt. But even further from my area of expertise
[23:42] <airurando> Eric Cantona in a film on TG4
[23:42] <airurando> bolt out of the blue
[23:42] <mokmeister> airurando: did you ever try the likes of http://www.codecademy.com/
[23:42] <mokmeister> might pique your interest?
[23:42] <mokmeister> Eric Cantona?
[23:42] <mokmeister> Wow!
[23:43] <airurando> yeah heard of codeacademy.com
[23:43] <airurando> bought a few python and linux books
[23:44] <airurando> Interest is high for years
[23:44] <airurando> time is limiting
[23:44] <airurando> wife, two kids and other interests
[23:44] <airurando> and I don't mean that in a bad way
[23:46] <mokmeister> Yeah, I know exactly where you're coming from. Only so many hours in the day at the end of the day, as it were!
[23:47] <airurando> aye, and with that in mind a hectic Saturday beckons so I best be off to bed.
[23:47] <mokmeister> speaking of which, I'm gonna hit the sack, end of the day for me!
[23:47] <airurando> Great chatting to you
[23:48] <mokmeister> great minds think alike!
[23:48] <airurando> hehe
[23:48] <mokmeister> indeed! Nice one
[23:48] <airurando> take care
[23:48] <mokmeister> you too