=== chriadam|away is now known as chriadam [00:26] I'm dieing to know. Will Ubuntu touch has proper windowed multitasking? Or will it be only for media consumption. Like all the tablets currently on the market? [00:26] have* === _salem is now known as salem_ [01:08] Good evening everyone. I did apt-get update, then apt-get upgrade on my nexus 7, and now when it boots it only shows a black screen. [01:09] any suggestions? [01:12] Alright, let me take a step back. I tried to do an update because my "Settings" app wasn't working. About the only option that worked from it was the cellular one. [01:22] ataranlen: most of the settings app isn't finished yet, I'd re-flash the device === salem_ is now known as _salem [01:23] Alright, So is there an alternative way to get blutooth devices connected? [01:24] Namely a blutooth keyboard :) [01:25] ataranlen: maybe via command line tools, like hcitool [01:25] ataranlen: not tried myself, don't even know if bt is supported on the n7 yet.. [01:26] http://bit.ly/18kIrhM suggests it's work in progress [01:26] alright, thanks :) [01:27] Thankfully I'm using MultiRom and reflashing is easy === Namidairo is now known as Namidairo`bnc === Namidairo`bnc is now known as Namidairo [02:14] <_rogue_> HexChat: 2.9.5 ** OS: Linux 3.2.0-49-generic x86_64 ** Distro: Ubuntu "precise" 12.04 ** CPU: 4 x AMD Phenom(tm) 9950 Quad-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.61GHz ** RAM: Physical: 7.8GB, 75.8% free ** Disk: Total: 76.9GB, 76.0% free ** VGA: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] nee ATI RV730XT [Radeon HD 4670] ** Sound: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB1: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI ** Etherne [02:14] <_rogue_> t: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller ** Uptime: 4h 45m 4s ** === _salem is now known as salem_ [02:40] Did i read some where that change logs might be coming this week? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [03:09] my touchpad and keyboard in labptop is notworking in ubuntu 13.04 | http://askubuntu.com/q/324677 [03:43] is there a default root pass after installing ubuntu touch on nexus 4 ? [03:44] nvm === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === salem_ is now known as _salem === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [06:31] clever redirect from ubuntu-edge to here :) [06:49] good morning [06:49] o/ [06:53] I am so hyped about Ubuntu Edge that I even installed the Ubuntu Touch SDK and I'm not a dev or a programmer :p === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [06:59] good morning === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === gordonjc1 is now known as gordonjcp [07:45] Hi there === nik90 is now known as nik90|Office [07:46] im wondering when this awesome ubuntu release wil be ported to the galaxy s4 i9505 or is it already possible ? [07:51] anyone ? === marxjohn1on is now known as marxjohnson [07:57] spikey: hi, sadly I don't know anything about that - as it's not an official platform, it's all up to users to get this running there [07:59] Alright [07:59] what do you mean by not an official platform ? === didrocks is now known as didrocks_reallyb === didrocks_reallyb is now known as didrocks_busy === lan3y is now known as Laney [08:04] spikey, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:07] spikey, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2337903 [08:08] Thnks for the link deiu, i had already looked there and not see it there [08:33] ogra_: what's up with yesterday's images? [08:33] ogra_: any big fixes landing on the images today? [08:33] gema, they work fine on my devices here [08:33] ogra_: what devices do you have? [08:33] not that i know of [08:33] maguro and grouper [08:34] and 25.1 works well for you? [08:34] but i know pwoplw in #phablet also used mako and Saviq has installed it on manta yesterda [08:34] y [08:34] ogra_: plars and omer were reporting failures and random crashes of apps that they could reproduce on their devices [08:34] *people [08:35] i see that unity8 is taking up about 30% CPU here .... but thats not affecting the UI feeling for me ... (definitely should eb fixed indeeed) [08:35] and i saw some odd behavior of the OSK in the terminal on maguro [08:35] beyond that no issues here [08:36] ogra_: say bug 1205115 [08:36] bug 1205115 in touch-preview-images "[maguro] Apps crash on startup" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1205115 [08:36] ah, havent tried starting stuff from the cmdline, one sec [08:36] ack [08:37] works on grouper [08:37] * ogra_ plugs the cable over [08:38] confirmed [08:38] what is confirmed? maguro and manta seemed to be suffering of it [08:41] does calling / sms work in galaxy s2 ubuntu touch [08:41] fast: I don't think we have supported images for that device [08:41] gema: you do [08:41] Saviq, so that new unity .... doe it do anything new the former one didnt ? [08:42] fast: ack, then I don't know if that works, we are not testing those :) [08:42] fast, no, but there is a commmunity port [08:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/i9100 [08:42] ogra_, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity8/trunk/revision/131/debian/changelog :P [08:42] fast, you should talk to the porter, there should be a link on the device wikipage to an xda thread [08:42] ogra_: whats a port? [08:43] ogra_, so yeah, you can install scopes on devices [08:43] fast: a new version somebody is maintaining [08:43] ogra_, and they will display stuff in a better way than it did before [08:43] fast, if someone ports the code to a new device we call that a port :) [08:43] ogra_, indicators should be faster [08:43] Saviq, well, i'm more intrested if the new unity could cause bug 1205115 [08:43] bug 1205115 in touch-preview-images "[maguro] Apps crash on startup" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1205115 [08:43] ogra_, that it [08:44] i.e. do you register with something we could be missing to set on user login etc [08:44] Saviq, should that bu be assigned to you? [08:44] It would be nice if someone claimed it in lp so folks knew it was being addressed ;) [08:44] Saviq, i also see a lot higher cpu consumption [08:45] ogra_: is it this http://goo.im/devs/MaxWallstedt/ubuntu-touch-i9100 [08:45] currently top shows 52% CPU and 21% ram for the unity8 process [08:46] fast, talk to the porter on xda ... nobody here works on the S2 port [08:47] Saviq, do you have a maguro ? i definitely dont see that resource consumption on my grouper [08:47] seems to only happen on the gnex [08:48] ogra_, yeah, got a maguro and works fine [08:48] thats strange [08:48] ogra_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity8/+bug/1201116 [08:48] Launchpad bug 1201116 in Unity 8 "[dash] combined memory leak & constant CPU usage when navigating through lenses" [Critical,In progress] [08:48] ogra_: i think i found it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2165568 [08:48] ogra_, but we do have this issue sometimes [08:50] Does anyone know if work has begun on mobile data for mako? [08:50] Saviq, it is constantly there, my phone is locked atm with the above values [08:50] deiu, thats there since weeks [08:50] hmm, someone should update the wiki page then :) [08:50] Thanks! [08:50] ogra_, yeah, when it happens it's constant [08:51] i also rebooted several times already [08:51] ogra_, restarting unity8 generally helps [08:51] (I mean the google docs) [08:51] it persists [08:51] ogra_: calls don't work yet though [08:52] anyone know is it possible to have a HDMI connection with nexus-4 ? so I can try desktop ui? [08:52] Saviq, ah, confirmed ... [08:52] dlan, there is no desktop UI yet ... thats 14.04 stuff [08:53] for 13.10 we focus on the phone only === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [08:53] ogra_: oh, I thought we can switch from phone ui to desktop ui [08:54] yes you will, in 14.04 (was never announced differently) [08:54] so, is there any pre-install image for the version 14.04 [08:54] no, we start working on the 14.04 version after we released the 13.10 version (obviously) [08:54] ogra_: so you mean that 14.04 is not ready? haven't start? [08:55] we need a solid phone OS before we cn even think about working on the convergence [08:55] dlan: we will start that one in october more or less [08:55] gema: thanks [08:55] ogra_: powerd under control? [08:56] asac, dunno, i have lost my backlog (my bip server crashed over night) so i dont know how it turned out [08:57] ogra_: can we check what changed on the images to narrow down? [08:57] just would like to find an owner for this bug... if we could figure what the prob is that would be cool [08:57] asac, well, we know the powerd issue is self induced by some changes ... but i dont know if sforshee nailed it down [08:58] ogra_: can you get it working by backing out? [08:58] e.g. going back to previous powerd? [08:58] will try ... let me confirm something for tvoss_ first [08:58] Good morning all, happy Friday and happy One Voice Day! :-D [08:59] JamesTait: welcome! [09:00] sforshee: can you confirm that bug 1205115 is a regression from powerd changes? [09:00] bug 1205115 in touch-preview-images "[maguro] Apps crash on startup" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1205115 [09:00] e.g. if yuou go back to previous versionms its gone? [09:01] hi all === chriadam is now known as chriadam|away [09:02] any news for chinese tablets (Copy of GoClever A105) release of ubuntu touch? [09:04] deus_, feel free to port it :) [09:05] it depends on someone from the community porting it :) [09:05] xD I wish I could XD [09:06] I dont know how to get the drivers for my device [09:06] and bake a custom rom [09:08] asac, still there with the previous version ... must be something else [09:09] ogra_: unity8? can you go back to previous there? [09:09] bah, and androids sensorservice is acting up again [09:09] ogra_, I just flashed ubuntu on my Nexus4 and I can't seem to be able to get the cellular data connection :S [09:10] deiu, it should just come up by default [09:10] actually, it didn't even find the carrier [09:10] asac, not sure, if i can find a deb i surely can :) (ppas usually wipe the former build, need to dig) [09:10] ogra_: Saviq should know [09:10] he said they are prepped for the case [09:10] deiu, does your SIM have a PIN ? [09:11] yes [09:11] weird, it didn't ask me for it [09:11] deiu, well, then you need to unlock it [09:11] wasn't it supposed to ask for the PIN after finishing booting? [09:11] there is no UI for that ... (and i dont know the runes for doing it from cmdline, i fear you need to google) [09:11] (or dig the mailing list archives) [09:12] Thanks [09:12] asac, i doubt it is unity8 ... my phone is now in a completely broken state due to the sensorservice not starting on the android side [09:13] asac, something accesses the sensors before the service is started, so it cant attach anymore ... i had that yesterday and was assuming a bad flashing since nobody else could reproduce it [09:13] asac, we'll just revert if we see breakage caused by unity8 - there's no downgrading in dpkg world... [09:13] Saviq: yeah i know. we have to try though locally [09:13] Saviq: so would be easier if we could get the old packages for ogra to try and confirm [09:13] asac, it even shows up if i reboot with the complete session disabled [09:14] it is not realted to any UI bits [09:14] maybe its not unity after all :) [09:14] asac, I can't see how unity8 could cause that [09:14] deiu, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg02776.html [09:14] asac, exactly [09:14] something started accesssing sensors before the contsainer is up ... sensorservice cant start because the sensor is blocked [09:14] Saviq: thats debugging and guessing. the only way we can systematically find out what causes this is to try backing out [09:14] ogra_: can you conpare the package manifest? [09:15] lets be smart about our guesses [09:15] asac, yeah I know [09:15] asac, i did yesterday already ... i didnt see that behavior with 25 but see it with 25.1 ... thats a pertty narrow window (6h or so) [09:15] ogra_: so whats the package difff? [09:15] what changed? [09:16] but the changes ML doesnt have anything that looks suspicious [09:16] between 25 and 25.1 [09:16] ogra_: lets see the full list [09:17] seb128, thanks [09:17] deiu, you're welcome [09:18] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5914158/ [09:19] seb128, do I need to install the ofono-scripts package on the phone? [09:19] the only non UI bit is qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-toolkit-plugin [09:19] ogra_: can you go down one by one systematiically until you have it? [09:20] starting with whatever you feel is most likely :) [09:20] hmm, I can't seem to get the keyboard to show again in the terminal application [09:20] hello [09:20] asac, nothing from that list ... thats the point [09:20] Wwill the futur ubuntu edge phone be open hardware ? [09:20] if we end up having all the same and we still have the issue we have to go back to drawingboard :) [09:20] ogra_: have you tried? [09:20] ogra_: go one by one [09:20] if previous image does work [09:20] and this one doesnt [09:20] asac, i checked the lxc and initrd changes from stgraber already ... all the rest cant affect it (since it happens even with the session not started) [09:20] that its either that [09:21] or something else [09:21] ogra_: have you backed stuff out? [09:21] you looked with your eyes right? [09:21] ogra_, a lot of apps got upgraded in one go .. why is that? [09:21] asac, i disabled every upstart job except the container [09:21] asac, *nothing* started, but the issue poersists [09:21] ogra_: just downgrade the package ... is that not possible? [09:22] asac, i wont invest time into that, the apps cant influence it ... i have exactly 20 processes running ... 16 of them lxc container nothing else started and it still happens [09:23] there is something fundamental broken that cant come from these packages [09:23] so you say its guaranteed that the changes in the image are not the reason? [09:23] i'm pretty sure, yes [09:23] remember that if we now end up finding that it was in those images anyway [09:23] we waste lots of time [09:23] not just trying this quickly first [09:23] how would any of the apps influence it if they dont run ? [09:23] ogra_: what other sources could be to blame? [09:24] or any pf the framework [09:24] ogra_: i dont know. currently all i see is thats the only source of changes [09:24] *of [09:24] so either we had that issue before, or its becuse of those packages or we have other sources of noise [09:24] that i would surely like to identify and eliminate :) [09:24] tmoenicke, ping [09:25] asac, it is some process that accesses a sensor ... before the container starts [09:25] ogra_: so first. have you gone back and tried 25 image for real? [09:25] e.g. are we 100% sure we didnt have the issue there? [09:25] i just cant identify which [09:25] lxc-android-config? [09:25] how about going back with that? [09:26] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5914181/ [09:26] logcat [09:26] if i use android-chroot ... manually start the sensors service, all is fine [09:26] ogra_: you are trying to undersatndt he problem rather than systematically figuring what the problem caused and throwing it out :) [09:26] thats not scaling [09:29] the point is that the bug happens before the container is starting ... (which iis like the third thing starting after init)n what accesses the sensor must start before the container [09:29] nothing on this list can do that [09:30] * ogra_ shecks what these packages ship [09:32] what is the phablet password for sudo? [09:32] Kaleo: hi! [09:32] Kaleo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1205259 [09:32] Launchpad bug 1205259 in Ubuntu UI Toolkit "ubuntu-ui-toolkit FTBFS because of missing licensecheck" [High,New] [09:32] Kaleo: FTBFS we get [09:35] bzoltan: ping! Hi! [09:35] bzoltan: maybe you could help out ^ ? [09:43] asac, logcat afer recursively purging ubuntu-touch (which includes all apps on the list and unity8) http://paste.ubuntu.com/5914217/ [09:43] asac, it has nothing to do with the changed packages [09:43] (i wish i knew with *what* it has to do) [09:44] it is definitely not solvable through backing out a package [09:44] there is some other fundamental flaw [09:45] asac, it must b something unpackaged on the android side ... [09:46] asac, either hybris or platform-api [09:46] * ogra_ will dig through the changelogs after a break [09:52] ogra_, could you give me the diff from 24 to 25.1? [09:53] hi [09:53] are there new instructions for porting Ubuntu Touch using newest "flipped Ubuntu Touch Images"? [09:55] bartek, there's only this WIP afaik, maybe it helps you: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/PortingFlippedInProgress [09:57] stgraber, hey, did you stampfile change get merged (what's the right project/vcs for that code, I just saw your pastebin the other day) [09:57] seb128: yep, it's there now [09:57] tvoss, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5914258/ [09:57] seb128: http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb?p=CyanogenMod/android_bootable_recovery.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/phablet-saucy [09:58] stgraber, thanks [09:58] ogra_, thx [09:58] w-flo, thanks [09:58] bartek, it won't help you. I guess. Just looked at what's changed in that wiki article, and the important bits are still missing [09:58] yeah, I am reading it [09:59] tvoss, i'd blame apparmor for your issue [09:59] (sadly that doesnt help mine :( ) [09:59] ogra_, hmmm ... [09:59] but I will visit it regularly, I assume one day the guide will be updated :> [10:00] bartek, me too. make sure you have some ~2mb free space on your boot partition though :D [10:00] tvoss, do you know of anything that would access the proximity sensor on boot (powerd and all of ubuntu-touch's deps are already purged) [10:02] btw. I really wonder how somebody ported it for Galaxy SII :>> [10:03] bartek, its not that hard if there is a cyanogenmod port already [10:03] oh my ! [10:04] asac, fond the issue with the sensorservice === dandrader is now known as dandrader|afk [10:04] * ogra_ sighs ... i though cyphermox had tested this [10:05] cjwatson, ping === mehow_ is now known as mehow [10:07] lool, ping [10:07] rsalveti, so my non starting sensorservice returned .this morning .. even on the 25.1 image ... seems mounting /factory causes it :( .... there goes our bluetooth support :( === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [10:10] yup, and it also fixes the app starting problem [10:10] Saviq, tvoss ^^^ [10:10] * ogra_ reboots and re-tests a few times to make sure [10:14] yup, 10 reboots and it works reliably [10:14] ogra_, oh cool [10:14] Saviq, well, not so cool [10:14] since that means we wont have bluetooth [10:15] ogra_, well, cool that you found the reason [10:15] mounting /factoy is essenetial to have BT working [10:15] yeah, well, i dug half into it last night with rsalveti already ... but we were both guessing it was a bad flash that caused it [10:16] s/flash/flashing/ [10:16] * ogra_ prepares a fix [10:17] the hardware buttons like menu isn't working for galaxy s2 [10:20] fast, ubuntu touch has no use for HW buttons [10:20] Saviq, gema, it would be nice if someone could confirm the fix before i upload it [10:20] ogra: oh, then how do you turn it off [10:21] ogra_, otp [10:21] fast, through a shutdown menu that doesnt exist yet (or via adb using shutdown) [10:21] john-mcaleely: yes? === dandrader|afk is now known as dandrader [10:23] fast, I can also initiate the shutdown sequence by long-pressing the power button (2-3 secs), not sure if that is a cyanogenmod feature specific to my phone.. [10:23] wflo: does calling work in the S2? [10:23] fast, not sure, my phone is a Desire Z [10:24] w-flo: does it work for u [10:24] cjwatson, I believe a click package is defined to contain both an apps read-only dependencies, and any writeable data I creates, all in one filesystem tree [10:24] fast, not sure, I don't have a SIM card in that old phone :D [10:24] cjwatson, or am I mistake at the start of my assumptions? [10:26] john-mcaleely: Sort of [10:26] john-mcaleely: At present, Click packages effectively depend on the framework they declare in their manifest, and are not allowed other dependencies; so if they need other misc dependencies then it's true that they need to ship them themselves [10:27] john-mcaleely: However, from the point of view of the app, its unpacked filesystem tree is read-only. They must write data elsewhere, probably in the user's home directory somewhere [10:28] ok. is the place they write data to constrained in any way? (ie, if it's user-writeable, an app can write to it?) [10:30] ogra_, I got voice to work but I still can't connect to cellular data [10:30] john-mcaleely: Apps will run under AppArmor confinement. I don't know the details, but hopefully https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement/Manifest and maybe https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Specifications/ApplicationConfinement will help [10:30] aha. thanks! [10:30] w-flo: is there an app store or something [10:30] fast, not yet [10:31] Can't connect to protected WiFi networks either [10:33] davmor2, can you confirm the behavior in bug 1205115 with 25,1 and could you also try if the suggested fix changes it for you ? [10:33] bug 1205115 in touch-preview-images "[maguro] Apps crash on startup" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1205115 [10:34] (just might be a coincidence that it fixes it for me) [10:34] *might just be [10:37] ogra_: The camera app seems to be running fine here. Let me try it with his specific command line call [10:37] davmor2, well, if you started it from the UI already, please reboot first [10:37] to make sure you are in a virgin state [10:38] then try the cmdline (unlock the phone but dont start anything from UI) [10:38] then comment the line in fstab, reboot and try again [10:39] ogra_: oh by the way after a fresh flash on grouper the camera works till you take a photo then it locks up and never works again :D [10:39] davmor2, i guess gusch would like to know about that :) [10:39] he made it work :) [10:41] gusch: good work my man, there are a couple of issue I'll write up some bugs for it if I get chance but it is at least a step in the right direction :) [10:41] if we now get media playback and sound it shoudl eb perfect :) [10:41] *be [10:41] john-mcaleely: pong [10:42] ogra_: I thought the reason the media playback died was because of the sound :D [10:42] probably [10:42] :) [10:42] davmor2: grouper is the N7, right? [10:42] yeah [10:43] gusch: yep [10:43] davmor2: yea - I heard there a some problems - maybe some of my recent fixes will help - but I don't have the N7, so I can't investigate into that ... [10:43] ogra_: meh should I be worried by the black screen I am getting on reboot [10:43] Laney: hi! I saw your branch, but I still think that just using QCoreApplication::arguments() is easier and most Qt developers will be more familiar with that [10:44] davmor2, you mean it doesnt start anymore ? [10:44] ogra_: this is my maguro on 25.1 [10:44] awesome :) [10:44] Laney: I'll fix the segfault in my branch [10:44] so you hit the same bug as mine :) [10:45] but that makes it hard to reproduce the other one indeed [10:45] mardy: Fine. I still think it's better to use a proper parser until Qt gets one but I don't want to argue about it too much. [10:45] so let me file a separate bug for the non-start :) [10:46] ogra_: it also means I'm without a phone so lets really hope there isn't a phone call from the hospital with regard the mother-in-law tum-ti-tum-ti-tum.......ooops [10:47] davmor2, heh, just comment the /factory line in fstab and reboot [10:47] that will fix it [10:47] ogra_: hahaha [10:51] ogra_: Yay and it's back end of panic [10:51] davmor2, bug 1205285 [10:51] bug 1205285 in lxc-android-config (Ubuntu) "mountig /factory on maguro causes all sorts of havoc and misbehavior with the lxc container" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1205285 [10:52] ogra_: and confirmed [10:53] davmor2, the bad thing is that i would really like to know if the app starting is related or not [10:54] but once it started booting to a black screen with /factory mounted it always seems to do that once the mount is enabled again [10:54] its also funny that it doesnt do that from the first boot on [10:55] fix uploaded [10:56] asac, i'll trigger a new image once thats in [11:02] davmor2, oh, try adding ro, to the fstab line [11:02] seems that helps here [11:02] (and also makes the apps from cdmline work) [11:03] yeah, seems mounting it readonly works [11:03] * ogra_ prepares anothe upload [11:08] ogra_: confirmed ro added and # removed and it boots :) the camera still works fine though [11:08] yeah [11:09] i wonder if the rild issues awe saw the last days are related [11:09] ogra_, sorry to bug you again.. :) the touch initramfs script can't find my data partition. it's called /dev/mmcblk0p26 according to /proc/emmc.. I'm not good at shell scripting, but I think the code looks for a /dev/UDA etc. device? [11:11] w-flo, try to find a "by-name" directory underneath /dev/block (might be a few levels deeper than that) and in there take a look at the names ... i'm pretty sure there are partition labels [11:12] ah, that's what that find does. thanks for the hint :) [11:12] sadly there is no find commmand in the android build to make that easy [11:12] and you wont see the android /dev from ubuntu [11:12] if you found the by-name dir, pastebit its content ... i can add the right name to the script then [11:13] mh, it's a little strange. just a second [11:13] if there are *really* no labels, you might need to wait until i find the time to fixx bug 1199084 [11:13] bug 1199084 in initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch (Ubuntu) "mount support via cmdline parameters: systempart= datapart=" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1199084 [11:13] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5914485/ ogra_ [11:14] ogra_, I'll just hardcode the correct partition for the time being [11:14] yeah [11:14] wow, that looks bad [11:14] I didn't even know you could have ":" in a file name [11:14] thanks :) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:15] sure, you can evven have special chars and spaces [11:15] though where do you have a : in the filename [11:15] I use spaces all the time.. and Umlaute.. ":" just seems *too* special :D [11:15] oh, i see [11:15] sorry [11:15] yeah, the link names [11:16] right [11:16] yeah they are just translated from the major/minor device names [11:18] You can; it's not necessarily a good idea since it can be confusing with things like scp [11:19] For most purposes : is less special than space [11:24] cjwatson, well, tell that to google (or the vendor that designed that android fork) [11:25] * ogra_ gave up having *any* expectations to sanity of android ports [11:27] i wouldnt be surprised to find device names containing @ or some such one day [11:27] they don't want to make the lifes of third-party developers too easy after all ;) [11:28] Hey i got a question... :) [11:29] aaam i think im still too silly too find the download link of the newest ubuntu touch dev preview... [11:29] Laney: I updated the MP [11:30] aaam i think im still too silly too find the download link of the newest ubuntu touch dev preview [11:30] can someone give me the link? [11:30] k [11:35] Stskeeps, just use phablet-flash, it will do teh right thing [11:35] err [11:35] sorry, didnt notice he was gone already [11:35] no problem === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [11:39] Right...so I've put up a short guide about PIN protected SIMs: http://fcns.eu/2013/07/26/ubuntu-touch-unlock-change-reset-pin [11:40] deiu, ofono-scripts is preinstalled [11:40] oh? [11:40] but it's probably not in the PATH [11:40] root@ubuntu-phablet:/# dpkg -l|grep ofono-scripts [11:40] ii ofono-scripts 1.12phablet9 armhf Mobile telephony stack (test and maintenance script files) [11:40] no, its not in path [11:40] I see, that's why I got confused [11:41] we will link individual scripts into path with one of the next uploads [11:41] was already discussed :) [11:42] cool! [11:42] my phone seems to heat up quite substantially [11:43] what device iis that ? [11:43] Nexus 4 [11:43] hmm well, check the processlist and top [11:43]