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* popey yawns01:20
MartijnVdSBad weather coming: http://www.estofex.org/cgi-bin/polygon/showforecast.cgi?text=yes&fcstfile=2013072806_201307252133_2_extendedforecast.xml06:02
popeymorning ☻06:07
popeymet one of your co-workers today MartijnVdS06:08
popeyvery nice chap, didnt get his name though06:08
MartijnVdSpopey: At Oscon?06:10
popeyyes06:10
popeythere was a booking.com stand06:10
jussi500k overnight wasnt a bad effort.06:10
MartijnVdSpopey: there's always a booking.com stand ;)06:10
popeyheh06:10
jussiMartijnVdS: you work with Dennis? :D06:10
MartijnVdSjussi: Not anymore (if you mean kiwi)06:11
MartijnVdSjussi: he left just over a year ago06:11
jussiMartijnVdS: no, I meant Seveas. (or maybe Im remembering wrong)06:11
MartijnVdSjussi: ah, no, never worked in the same company as him.06:12
MartijnVdSjussi: IRCed with him a lot in the early days of Ubuntu though06:12
jussiMartijnVdS: but you work at booking.com?06:13
MartijnVdSjussi: no, I work at xs4all.nl06:13
jussiok, thats why I was confuzzled :D06:13
MartijnVdSjussi: it's just that I noticed there's a booking.com stand at *every* open source event :)06:13
jussihehe06:13
jussi(Dennis works at booking.com)06:13
MartijnVdSbut, as my department is being axed, I might send my CV their way soon06:14
MooDoomorning all06:57
MartijnVdS\o MooDoo06:58
MooDoo:D06:59
MooDoowe the only ones up MartijnVdS ?06:59
MartijnVdSMooDoo: popey was here earlier06:59
MooDoohe's in the states though06:59
MartijnVdSthen I guess we're the only ones06:59
MartijnVdSPARTAY07:00
MooDoolol07:02
shaunonot sure I'd claim to be awake :/07:02
MartijnVdSshauno: it's FRIDAY, FRIDAY07:02
MartijnVdSetc.07:02
MooDoowell there i that seeing as i'm at work already, need moar coffee07:02
* MartijnVdS has fresh black tea07:03
shauno6am shifts are terrible.  I find for the first few hours, I'm barely compus mentus.  start waking up in time for breakfast, to discover I've already deleted most my email07:03
MooDoohehe07:06
diploMorning all07:06
TheOpenSourcerermorning - here's something to lighten your day: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/jul/23/nigeria-match-fixing-life-ban-goals07:12
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer: i might have to send them my bank details :D07:15
MartijnVdSone of the teams is called "Police Machine"?07:18
MooDooho ho07:20
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MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: also, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-2345209707:48
TheOpenSourcererHa.07:49
TheOpenSourcererThat's a joke. Surely.07:51
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bigcalmGood morning peeps :)07:52
MooDoomorning bigcalm07:57
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mungbeanwakes up and checks http://ubuntu-edge.info/08:25
brobostigongood morning everyone,08:25
mungbeanarticle on the guardian about the phone and the comments are like slashdot for 5yr olds08:27
mungbean"Ubuntu lost me with unity. If only Mint would do something like this, except with somewhat reasonable prices"08:27
mungbeanso much fail in one sentence08:28
MartijnVdSUnity haters?08:28
mungbeanjust complete numpties08:28
SuperMattunity haters almost never happen08:28
mungbeantalking about their pet thing08:28
mungbeanand distros etc08:28
SuperMattI don't mind people extolling the virtues of their distro, because everyone is different and like different things08:29
SuperMattbut chucking hate at ubuntu and unity is just stupid08:29
mungbeannot on a major newspaper piece about phones08:29
mungbean"hey guys use pupplinux"08:29
SuperMattthey moan that canonical suffers from "not invented here" syndrome, but then say they'll never use canonical's stuff because "it's not invented here"08:30
SuperMattheaven forbid the haters actually exercise some consistancy with their arguments08:31
mungbeanguy held up a bank with an AK47 :-|08:32
SuperMattyup08:32
SuperMattand strangely the people of london actually helped detain him08:32
MartijnVdSis the economy that bad?08:33
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: bankers, or what?08:33
SuperMattit's apparently on the up!08:33
SuperMattoh no, not bankers08:33
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: oh wait, you said "people" of london08:33
mungbeandrinkers08:33
mungbean1.47pm08:33
mungbeani wonder if he queued like everyone else08:33
mungbeani have to phone up for an appointment to open a bank account for the child08:33
SuperMattIf you've even been in London on a sunny afternoon, you'll realise the pubs will be full at 1.4708:33
mungbeanthats not gonna happen anytime soon08:34
TheOpenSourcererDid someone say pubs ;-)08:35
TheOpenSourcerer?me is setting up a new Virtual machine on their new hetzner host hardware. All Ubuntu of course.08:35
TheOpenSourcereroops /me08:35
* TheOpenSourcerer said that ^-^08:35
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer: don't you use them anyway?08:37
TheOpenSourcererYes - this our 5th server08:37
TheOpenSourcererOrdered yesterday08:37
MooDoocool08:37
shaunocurious how you handle VMs on hetzner; buy IPs for each VM?08:41
SuperMatthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoBhq9xZD4Qv <- sysadmin appreciation day08:42
neurodon't know if anyone's noticed, but kimsufi are doing dual core atoms with 2GB RAM, 500GB disk and 5TB transfer08:42
neurofor 3 quid a month08:42
neuroincl vat08:42
MartijnVdSbut atoms08:42
neurobut 3 quid08:42
MartijnVdSbut atoms08:42
neurobut 3 quid08:42
MartijnVdSyeah, but08:42
neuroa physical server08:43
neurowith an ipv4 address08:43
TheOpenSourcerershauno: Yes - we use KVM and buy a /29 or /28 subnet depending on the performance of the host08:43
neuroand an ipv6 /6408:43
neuroand 100Mbps08:43
neurofor 3 quid a month08:43
shaunoneuro: would be kinda nice if they included a cpu though ;)08:45
MooDoomy friends site - https://clients.5switch.com/cart.php not quite £3 and still atoms08:45
MooDoo£15 is the cheapest08:45
neurohaha08:45
neurothey're kimsufi/ovh boxes08:45
neurohe's reselling them08:45
MooDooah08:46
neurosorry ;)08:46
MooDooneuro: nothing to say sorry for08:46
neuroblimey, whitburn08:47
MooDoo?08:47
neurothe company08:47
MooDooah right08:47
neuroyour friend08:48
neurois in whitburn08:48
MooDooyeah08:48
neuroyou should tell him he has the wrong company number in his website footer ;)08:49
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MooDooneuro: what's up with it, a seach on companies house shows the correct details or am i missing something?08:52
neurounless your mate is called Robert and owns a company in Banchory called "West End Properties (Aberdeen) Limited", it's wrong ;)08:53
MooDoohttp://wck2.companieshouse.gov.uk//wcframe?name=accessCompanyInfo08:53
neurohuh, it's changed08:53
neuroit's literally just now changed08:54
neurooh, no08:54
neuroit hasn't08:54
neuroi see where i saw it08:54
neurohttp://5switch.com/about.php08:54
neurocompare the one under "The Legal Stuff" with the one in the site footer08:54
neuroand i don't use companies house08:54
MooDooyes i get ya, thanks chaps08:54
neuroawful awful interface08:54
neuroduedil ftw08:54
MooDoonot my website :p08:55
neuro?08:56
mungbeannot my circus, not my monkey08:56
MooDoosorry thought you were on about my mates website :d08:56
neuroi meant companies house, ya daftie! :)08:56
mungbeanNie mój cyrk, nie moje małpy08:56
neuroではない私のサーカスではなく、私の猿。08:57
neuroNon circo, non simia esse.08:57
MooDooi wish people would talk proper like what I does08:57
neuroNid yw fy syrcas, nid yw fy mwnci.08:58
neuroi love the welsh word for monkey08:58
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JamesTaitGood morning all, happy Friday and happy One Voice Day! :-D08:58
mungbeanits just english with heavy welsh accent08:58
neurolol08:58
MooDooJamesTait: morning and shush neuro is speaking ;)08:58
neurowat?08:58
MooDooneuro: it's one voice day i was being silly08:59
shaunoJamesTait: it's http://sysadminday.com and you picked One Voice day?  sheesh :p08:59
JamesTaitMooDoo, it looks more like he sat on his keyboard. ;)08:59
neurowhy do i always forget sysadmin day09:00
shaunoblame the firewall.  it's always the firewall09:00
mungbeanblame the previous guy09:00
MooDooshauno: i've just made a mental note to check BOFH excuse of the day as it can't be the firewall09:00
neurogood shout09:00
neuroi can't really blame the previous guy09:01
neurothe previous guy at my current job snuffed it :(09:01
JamesTaitI thought sysadmin day was in September. :-/09:01
mungbeanneuro: was he planning to?09:01
neurodon't think so, died of a heart attack09:01
neuroJamesTait: you're thinking of international talk like a pirate day09:01
mungbeani don't know if it's wrong but i'd kind of milk the fact there was no handover09:01
mungbeanpeople wouldn't argue either09:02
neuroit *is* wrong, and don't get me started on that :)09:02
mungbeanbut is it true?09:02
neurowell duh09:02
neurounless we whip out a ouija board09:02
shaunoI had an employer do that.  it sounds disgusting, but it's quite handy to have a reference that cannot be questioned09:02
mungbeanwell he might have done read-only fridays like me09:02
neurowait, what?09:03
mungbeanand done documentation , loads of it09:03
neuro"read-only fridays"?09:03
mungbeanyeah, no changes to system after 2pm on friday09:03
neurothat's a pretty common thing09:03
mungbeanbut you're in pub at 12pm on friday, because its friday09:03
neurono planned operational changes on fridays, because no-one wants to get called out on a saturday09:03
mungbeanso use the r/o flag to write documentation09:03
neurosomething i'm trying to instill here09:04
mungbeanthis place aint good enough for me09:04
TheOpenSourcererDon't you just love it when a customer emails you and says please can you send me a big invoice :-D09:04
mungbeantoo many mkneys09:04
neurotoday i'm working on web stats code that i'll roll out next week09:04
neuroTheOpenSourcerer: yeah, i've had to refer customers to finance teams before09:05
neuroon the phone, too09:05
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer: yes i had one of those myself the other day "I'm not paying you enough, let me pay you more"09:05
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: I've had those as well :)09:05
MartijnVdSMooDoo: yeah, that was the basic gist of it09:05
MooDooalbeit this was for a photo shoot lol09:05
neuro"sorry, i'd love to action your request, but could you call our finance team first on 0845 ..."09:05
MartijnVdSugh.. office-speak ;)09:06
neuro"yes, I understand that you are desperate to get this done, but could you please call our finance team on 0845 ..."09:06
MartijnVdSverbing weird nouns09:06
mungbeanamericanisms09:06
MooDooI so need to start doing consulting and remove support lol09:06
MooDoos/remote09:06
MartijnVdSmungbean: they do it in Dutch here as well.. *shudder*09:06
mungbeannative dutch?09:07
neuro"no, i'm not trying to be obstructive, but ... OK, yes, I am being obstructive, because there's a note on your account here which says can you please call our finance team on 0845 ..."09:07
neurothey got the message eventually09:07
MartijnVdSmungbean: yeah, they put in weird management-speak Dutch words.. or English ones09:07
MartijnVdSmungbean: "English-ish" more like09:07
neuromy two pet hates are ones i can barely say09:07
neuro"going forward"09:07
mungbeanferrets and snakes?09:07
neuro"take this offline"09:07
neuroboils my blood09:08
neuroreally does09:08
mungbeanhave you done ITIL?09:08
neurohell no09:08
mungbeanits complete garbage09:08
neuroyup09:08
mungbeanthe words don't even mean what they're supposed to09:08
neuroit's like getting certification for stuff09:08
mungbeani pulled them up on it  and they said, just learn it for the exam09:08
mungbean"its the ITIL way"09:08
neurowhen you think about it, it's pointless09:08
mungbeanbut its wrong09:08
mungbeani took a vmware VCP course09:09
mungbeani have an exam voucher09:09
mungbeandidn't use it because was too busy ACTUALLY DOING THE REAL WORK09:09
MooDooMartijnVdS: i'm wanting to that course, it's a week :D09:09
Linux-guyHello guys09:09
neuromungbean: haha09:09
MooDoosorry mungbean :)09:09
mungbeanin interview..why didnt you do the exam?09:09
mungbeanupper managers wouldn't understand09:10
mungbeanthe course is an enabler, not an end in itself09:10
* mungbean calms down09:10
neuro:)09:10
neurohave a cuppa09:10
mungbeanforgot my breakfast juice!09:11
MooDoonever mind, not be too long before you can have weekend juice09:11
* neuro has already had some copella cloudy apple juice09:11
neuroom nom09:11
mungbean50-50 OJ+water09:12
mungbeanurbandictionary definition of sky: 1) go outside09:13
mungbean-look up09:13
mungbean-viola09:13
mungbeanviola??? run!!!!09:13
neuroINVASION OF THE TINY VIOLINS!09:14
MooDoomungbean: is this your crazy friday hour?09:14
mungbeanaren't violas big like cellos?09:14
mungbeanMooDoo: maybe, is that in my schedule?09:14
MooDoomungbean: you tell me, 10 - 11 go crazy ?09:14
mungbean9-10 on friday  i usually check emails and eat breakfast and generally warm up to the fun of the day09:15
mungbeansometimes it spills over09:15
mungbeanall my workmates have all left so the company irc is dead now09:15
mungbeanused to be a thriving hotbed of bitterness and bile against project managers09:15
MartijnVdSmungbean: we have one of those, but the bitterness and bile is mostly against *all* managers09:33
MartijnVdSmungbean: project managers are the least bad here ;)09:33
mgdmViolas are slightly larger than violins09:33
mungbeanPMs have elevated status here09:34
mungbeanthey are clueless but are used for things that techies should be doing. hence every project fails09:35
MartijnVdSheh, sounds familiar09:45
MartijnVdSalso, techies only get involved in projects when they're too invested in them to fail09:46
MartijnVdSso when we say "That's impossible" we have to hack some way around it anyway09:46
MartijnVdS(or "that's hard, it'll take 6 months" "you have 2")09:46
MooDooMartijnVdS: the reply to that is, you paying overtime?09:46
MartijnVdSMooDoo: no, the reply is "OK", and still take 5 months ;)09:47
mgdmovertime is dangerous09:47
mungbeanthey had a party last night for all the people involved in a project09:47
mgdmif you make it known that you will do it, you can end up doing loads of it09:47
mungbeanclassic IT crowd scene.09:47
MartijnVdSMooDoo: and sticking to the schedule we told them about, instead of the one they forced on us09:47
mungbeanguess who did a large chuink and wasn't invited09:47
MooDoomungbean: they don't like you :p09:48
mungbeanguess who turns up instead? suits, starbucks dwellers and chancers09:48
mungbeani don't exist09:48
MooDoomungbean: until something breaks09:48
mungbeanguess who actually did real work09:48
mungbeannot any more09:48
mungbeani moved to different dept09:48
mungbeanscrew them09:48
mungbean:D09:49
mungbeananyone ever seen an oracle/sun 7410 cluster?09:49
mungbeanthe thing panics and reboots upon any actions perform in the vicinity of it09:49
mungbeanreplace a failed disk, panic reboot,09:50
mungbeanchange the email addresses in the web ui, reboot09:50
diploSounds a fun more mungbean :/10:04
diplomorning*10:06
neuroit is, isn't it :(10:06
neuroroll on beer o clock10:07
mungbean'twas yesterday, i am reading firmware changelogs today :)10:07
mungbeanctrl-F panic WHOAH10:07
shaunoodd question .. any suggestions for online resources to test an applicant's written english?10:07
mungbeanshauno: i've seen them before10:07
MooDooshauno: http://www.bbsi.co.uk/online_english_language_test10:07
mungbeanmaybe in the guise of typing tests10:07
davmor2_neuro: you know somewhere in the world it's already beer o'clock you should celebrate this fact with say a beer10:08
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TheOpenSourcererDid someone just say beer ;-)10:08
mgdmif there was a yardarm nearby I'm sure the sun would be over it10:08
neuroTheOpenSourcerer: http://isitbeeroclock.com/10:09
TheOpenSourcererThat's rather an old saying mgdm bet most of the "youngsters" in here don't know what you mean.10:09
TheOpenSourcererThanks neuro10:09
mgdmHehe10:09
mgdmthere *is* a tall ship about half a mile down the river, thinking about it10:10
jussitallships <310:11
brobostigonloadsa beer tmrw, birthday boy, :)10:11
brobostigon31 i will be, getting old.10:12
MooDoobrobostigon: old at 31 eh10:13
brobostigonMooDoo: in another ten years, i might worry.10:13
shaunoMooDoo: disappointing, I got 77% on that :(10:13
MooDooshauno: you're japanese right10:14
shaunoI'm english :(10:14
neuroahhhhhhhh domo10:14
MooDooshauno: i was kidding.10:15
MooDoodomo arigato gozaimaz10:15
neuroAnata no nenrei wa kankei arimasen. Anata no chie ga jūyōna nodesu.10:15
MooDooDoitashimashite10:16
neuroAppuru wa jūsu!10:17
neurocould be worse10:17
neurocould be welsh10:17
MooDoolol10:17
neurollcchllhclhclhchchchlhllclhhclhclhlhlchlhhchchclchlhlhchclch isn't it10:18
mgdmboyo10:18
neuroi love the bill bailey bit about the dutch and welsh fascination with toasties10:18
neurodutch: we've got ham toasties ... and we've got cheese toasties10:19
neuromaybe we go a bit crazy and make ham and cheese toasties10:19
neurowelsh: ham *AND* cheese?10:19
mgdmthat's brilliant!10:19
neuroit's flat, it just slides right in10:20
jussiwelsh rarebit... do they even actually come from Wales?10:20
neuroMade in China10:21
neuroapparently, it's possibly a joke10:22
neurodates from the 1700s10:22
neuroit may have referred to how rabbit was the poor Englishman's meat10:22
neurobut in Wales it was cheese, as they were so poor10:23
neuroor crap at hunting rabbits10:23
shaunoI've always wondered about these 'traditional' dishes, and just how traditional they really are10:32
neurohaggis is very traditional10:32
shaunoI mean, I can't imagine ireland without potatos, or italy without tomatos; but both came from the americas10:32
neuropotatoes?10:33
neurowhat, just potatoes? :)10:33
neuroi think of colcannon :)10:33
shaunoI guess it doesn't stick in the mind because they never had a cabbage famine10:34
neurohehe10:35
neuromaybe they did and no-one noticed because of the potatoes10:35
shaunothey're just particular ones that strike me as very dominant across europe, but non-native10:37
neuroa lot of places are like that10:38
neurowe (scots) owe a lot of our cuisine from french influences10:39
shaunoof course, the famous barre de chocolat frits  ;)10:40
neuro*yawn* :)10:40
neurole tourist twaddle :)10:40
mgdmneuro: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-2346441810:49
neurolol10:50
bigcalmThe networking stuff came back to me to deal with. Given up on the seperate subnet. VPN now works (I think). My brain is being turned to mush with all of this new information10:50
Linux-guyHello10:51
Linux-guyWhy is it always quite in here10:52
Linux-guyCan some Linux commands work on mac cuz mac is Unix10:54
mgdmpretty much10:54
SuperMattit's not always quite in here10:59
SuperMattI guess it's lunch time so everyone is here is picking food out of their neck beards11:00
SuperMattI jest, of course11:00
marxjohnsonmmm crunchy11:00
marxjohnsongot a new keyboard, I'm so happy. I've been using a tesco value £1.99 special with dodgy spacebar and it's been driving me up the wall. I'm just typing a long message now for the joy of it. lalala11:01
SuperMattI never use anything but cherry keyboards11:02
marxjohnsonI had a cherry keyboard but it went nuts and decided that when i pressed space i was also pressing #, and when I pressed / I was also pressing ;11:02
marxjohnsonwhich makes coding somewhat tricky11:02
SuperMattdid you try removing the crumbs from between the keys?11:02
MartijnVdSno DAS KEYBOARD for you then?11:02
marxjohnsonI've got a Das Keyboard at work11:03
MartijnVdShttp://www.daskeyboard.com/model-s-ultimate/11:03
SuperMattI would be quite tempted by a daskeyboard11:03
marxjohnsonI've the got the brown switch version so as not to piss of my colleages :p11:03
MartijnVdSmarxjohnson: your co-workers must hate you, or have good headphones11:03
SuperMattthough not at those prices11:04
marxjohnsonThe one that broke had white switches, which aren't as nice11:04
marxjohnsonSomeone kindly freecycled me an ancient mitsumi keyboard which has quite a siliar feel to the brown cherrys11:05
marxjohnsonsimilar*11:05
marxjohnsonmy Das was a christmas present, I wasnt going to spend that much of my own money either11:05
SuperMattthe problem with buy such an expensive keyboard is that I would want two of them, one for home and one for work11:06
marxjohnsonhaha yeah I had that dilemma11:07
SuperMattI've already got 2xleft handed mice11:07
SuperMatthttp://www.razerzone.com/gaming-mice/razer-deathadder-left-hand-edition11:07
SuperMattthe best thing about having left handed mice? watching everyone FLAIL when using my pc11:07
SuperMattbwa ha ha ha11:07
neuroholy mother of distant thunder ...11:11
SuperMattwhat?11:11
neuroit's thundery here11:11
SuperMattoh right11:11
neurolol11:11
SuperMattthat makes sense11:11
SuperMattcarry on11:11
neurosee, this is why i like macs11:11
neurosingle finger tap/click = do stuff11:12
neurodouble finger tap/click = context11:12
SuperMattare you talking touchpad?11:12
neuroyeah11:12
SuperMattI don't use touchpads much11:12
SuperMattonly on my laptop11:12
SuperMattwhen I'm in bed11:12
neuroyou can do the same with the mighty mouse too iirc11:12
neuroargh11:12
SuperMattI have desktops for everything else11:12
neuronot mighty mouse, the magic mouse11:12
* neuro points at his full-size apple usb keyb + magic trackpad ;)11:12
neuroi haven't used a mouse on this machine for ages11:13
shaunoI can barely right-click with the mighty mouse lol .. what a fail that was11:13
neurotho i do have one plugged in just in case11:13
mgdmneuro: I have the same setup11:13
mgdmI have a mouse down the back somewhere though so that when IT need to do things they can :)11:14
neuroapple keyboards are epic11:14
mgdmI don't get on with the wee bluetooth one11:14
neurodefinitely my favourite keyboards now, followed closely by sun type 5 keybs11:14
neurono?11:14
mgdmWell, generally when I use one it's 'cos I'm borrowing a machine11:14
mgdmand I've just switched off the full-size one11:14
neuroi have one on my mac mini11:15
neuromy TV mac11:15
mgdmand the keys are narrower, so I type utter nonsense for a while until I get used to it11:15
neuronarrower than what?11:15
neurothe full size keyb?11:15
mgdmyeah11:15
neuroi thought everything was the same other than the bottom row11:16
SuperMattI wouldn't mind an apple keyboard, except the layout drives me potty11:16
mgdmI think it's different, but not by much11:16
neurohmm11:16
neuroSuperMatt: yeah, me too11:16
mgdmalso ctrl is in the wrong place, and I'm the only person in here who remaps caps lock to be another ctrl11:16
neuroi always do a soft remap to put \ and # in the right places11:17
neuroconfuses people who are used to mac keybs, but i touch type, so i need consistency :)11:17
MartijnVdSneuro: between enter and backspace, and shift+3?11:17
SuperMattcaps lock would do well to be replaced with something else, though I'm not sure about ctrl11:17
shaunoI've used them so long the PC keyboard drives me nuts :/11:17
mgdmFor a while I ran Ubuntu on my THinkpad with a Mac keyboard attached11:17
mgdmthat was 'fun'11:17
neurosee, i've always been a bottom-right-hand ctrl person11:17
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: Chromebooks have a "Search" button where capslock should be11:17
SuperMattyarb, but not everything uses a search key these days11:18
neuroMartijnVdS: begone with your odd keyboards11:18
SuperMattI wonder what else it could be11:18
neurouk english layout ftw11:18
shaunoI've switched away from the UK layout too.  it's silly.11:18
SuperMattyou know, I think it'd be fun to replace capslock with an application switcher11:18
neuroSuperMatt: you're questioning google, a company built around a search engine, why they'd put a search key on their keyboard? :)11:19
neuroshauno: how so?11:19
SuperMattoh, I'm not questioning them, I just don't think it's needed on a normal keyboard11:19
neuro:)11:19
SuperMattbecause not ever app I run on my desktop requires a search11:19
neuroi don't think chromebooks qualify as "normal"11:19
SuperMattno, they dont11:20
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: That's why I disabled Unity's menu search thing (HUD?), and never use the "Dash", only Alt+F211:20
MartijnVdSI know what I'm looking for dammit11:20
neurothis is why ubuntu desktop frustrates me so much11:20
SuperMattah, now there's an idea11:20
neuroi shouldn't have to feel like i have to disable a core UI component to make the thing feel "useful"11:21
SuperMattreplace capslock with win+a, so it only allows me to search applications11:21
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: replace capslock with shutdown11:21
MartijnVdSyou'll learn not to touch it11:21
neuroYOU'LL NEVER TAKE CAPS LOCK FROM MEEEEE!11:21
SuperMatthahaha11:21
SuperMattchromebook go around capslock by requiring you to press both shifts11:22
MartijnVdSneuro: you'll still have shift11:22
neurohehe, it would turn into the BREAK key from the BBC Micro11:22
SuperMattwhich I think is nice11:22
neurothe amount of times i whacked that key was ridiculous11:22
shaunoneuro: on the mac, # is shift-3 and £ is alt-3.  I use the 'international english' layout so they're reversed11:22
neuroi even managed the unrecoverable ctrl+break a few times11:22
shaunothat way I can let alt be meta in a terminal, and lose the £ key rather than #11:22
neuroshauno: on your mac, maybe11:23
SuperMatthow on earth did you press ctrl break?11:23
neurobut yeah, i grok that11:23
neuroSuperMatt: just keyboard mashing11:23
SuperMattmy fingers are just never over there11:23
shaunonot being in the UK anymore, the £ key is kinda useless, yaknow11:23
neuroi have always been a fast typist, even when in high school, but sometimes i just went into mash mode11:23
neuroshauno: :)11:23
neurohere, have a few: ££££££££11:24
neurostick em in your clipboard11:24
neurojust don't lose them11:24
SuperMattshauno: sure, but there's no need to take it out on poor british users trying to press £ on a mac keyboard11:24
neuroSuperMatt: i press shift+3 to get a £ sign11:24
MartijnVdSI press shift+altgr+411:24
MartijnVdS£11:24
SuperMattD:11:24
SuperMattthis is all wrong11:24
neurowhich sounds mental, but since it's not your currency, that's fair enough11:24
SuperMattjust gimme a standard uk layout!11:24
* neuro *has* a standard uk layout :)11:25
MartijnVdSneuro: but € is AltGr+5 and $ is Shift+311:25
bigcalmEugh11:25
shaunokeyboards would be so much more simple if you'd just give up and join the euro11:25
neuroMartijnVdS: given the age of £ and $ vs € ...11:25
neuroeuro? NEVER11:25
shaunog'wan!11:25
* neuro likes having interesting banknotes issued by three different banks11:25
bigcalmneuro: what currency will you adopt once you leave the UK? ;)11:25
neuroplus whatever tat the BoE prints off11:25
MartijnVdSIf Scotland becomes independent, they should join the Euro11:25
MartijnVdSjust out of spite11:26
shaunothat half the UK doesn't accept :p11:26
neurobigcalm: at the moment, the plan is to run with sterling11:26
neuroand operate a Sterling Zone, akin to the Eurozone11:26
MartijnVdSneuro: join the euro side11:26
neuronope11:26
MartijnVdSwe have cookies11:26
neurono, you don't11:26
shaunothey have special cookies11:26
neurothey have stroopwafel, which i can get from Lidl's, so rack off!11:27
neuro£p is only 42 yrs old, we haven't had time to settle in11:27
MartijnVdSthose aren't proper stroopwafels11:27
neurofrom hundreds of years of £sd11:27
neurobuggered if i'll let our country go €c11:28
neuro(he said as though he had a say in it)11:28
MartijnVdSneuro: but it's so easy to not have to bother changing money when traveling11:28
bigcalm:)11:28
neurowut?11:28
neurowho needs to change money?11:28
shaunoagreed.  it feels so old-fashioned having to swap sacks of coins when I go to the UK :/11:28
neurocredit card + ATM11:28
MartijnVdSneuro: yes, then you end up with bags of small change11:29
shaunoI atleast managed to pick up one of those oyster gizmos so I can get to the hotel before I have to worry about what currency's in which pocket11:29
MartijnVdSwhere "small" is relative, because 2p coins are the size of hubcaps11:29
neuroi usually leave my change behind11:29
MartijnVdSor is that 1p?11:29
neuronot telling11:29
mgdmMartijnVdS: there's a shop here that sells the same type i got last time I was in AMS. So neeeeeeh. :P11:30
shaunoyou don't have a policeman on your island?11:30
MartijnVdSmgdm: the best are freshly made  :)11:30
neuroshauno: i just grab some euros when i get through arrivals at whatever airport i'm in11:30
mgdmMartijnVdS: 2p coins weigh twice what 1p do (because you can weigh a bag of mixed 1p and 2p coins to work out how much it is)11:30
neurowhen i was bouncing over to bcn a lot, the rate off the airport ATMs was pretty good11:30
shaunoneuro: right, and then you have to figure out how to get a metro ticket with a €50  lol11:30
neuroi use these things called "taxis"11:31
neurobut then again, i was on expenses, so ...11:31
shaunoI avoid that .. they tend to see me coming, and want the whole €50 :/11:31
neuroi only ever had one problem like that with a bcn cab driver11:32
neuroall i had was a €5011:32
shaunofar too many places seem to want to take me on the magical mystery tour11:32
MartijnVdSmgdm: so the 2p coins are the hubcaps ;)11:32
neuroand while i was saying ATM, ATM, which was literally just round the corner, he drove off from my destination, to a petrol station nearby so that I could buy something to make change11:32
neuromuppet11:32
neurobought a 2l bottle of coke with a €50 note :P11:32
MartijnVdSneuro: that's on the expensive side though11:33
neurohmmm?11:33
MartijnVdS2l of coke for €5011:33
neurowatch out, everyone, we've got a comedian over here!11:33
shaunohungary was a blast from the past as far as having to deal with funnymoney went :/11:34
shaunoluckily everywhere I need to go on a regular basis is on the euro now11:34
neuroapparently the hungarians may be replacing the forint with the euro11:35
MartijnVdSneuro: in 2024 or something11:35
MartijnVdSLatvia is first, I think11:35
shaunothey've been working on it for years.  same as the czechs.  but they have to get their ducks in a row first11:35
neuroaye11:35
neurosee, all this hassle11:35
MartijnVdSshauno: get rid of corruption, mostly11:35
neurowe can just stick with the pound :)11:36
MartijnVdSneuro: but you've been pre-approved! ;)11:36
shaunoMartijnVdS: nah, that's not a requirement.  Just look at Italy ;)11:36
MartijnVdSshauno: true, and Greece11:36
shaunoczceh's another one where I end up doing finger math to figure out if I'm being taken for a ride11:37
shaunoer, czech11:37
neuromuch prefer our own banknotes11:37
neurothey're brilliant11:37
MartijnVdSshauno: at a UDS in Prague, we had a €20 bottle (1l) of water11:37
MartijnVdSin the hotel reoom11:37
shaunothat sounds like most minibars11:38
shaunoit's just more difficult to tell when they're using imaginary numbers11:38
neurohttp://www.scotbanks.org.uk/banknote_denominations.php11:38
neurohttp://www.scotbanks.org.uk/media/scottish_banknotes_poster_2009.pdf11:39
^2fClo11:39
neuroit's server boy :)11:39
HoT|2fC^:}11:39
shaunoI Think I've still got some scottish notes around here somewhere.  they're a nuisance trying to get changed11:39
^2fCup and running !11:40
neurowoot11:40
^2fC<-- Ubuntu 13.04.2 LTS !11:40
^2fC;)11:40
neuro12.04, no?11:40
^2fCsorry 12.04.211:40
^2fC:p11:40
neuro:)11:40
neuronow as long as it has power and ethernet, you can stick it in a corner and forget about it11:41
^2fCIndeed :)11:41
^2fCI will SSH from my iPhone? :o11:42
^2fCHow do I make a static IP :\11:42
neuroyou'll need to configure it in /etc/network/interfaces11:42
^2fCWill it be ok on overnight ?11:42
neuroit's pretty straightforward to do, just read up on it first11:42
neurowill it be ok overnight? :)11:43
neurothese things are built to be on for years11:43
^2fCyeah11:43
^2fCleft on11:43
neurojust make sure it is well ventilated11:43
^2fCyeah true lol :D11:43
neurothe easier way actually11:43
neuroto set static ip11:43
neurodo it in your router11:43
^2fCah ok ok11:43
neuroyou can get the ethernet interface's MAC address from the 'ifconfig' command11:43
^2fCyup11:43
davmor2neuro: is the Scottish/English pound exchange rate still the same?11:44
neurothen most routers have an option to set a statically assigned LAN IP using the MAC11:44
^2fCindeed yes11:44
^2fCI will go do that now :o11:44
neurodavmor2: all scottish and NI banknotes are pound sterling11:44
^2fCeth0 or lo ?11:44
shaunodavmor2: not always, oddly enough.  despite what they'll tell you otherwise11:44
neuroeth011:44
^2fCok ok11:44
^2fCty11:44
neuroevery scottish banknote is backed by the corresponding value in the Bank of England11:45
shaunobut it's not unknown to be charged a different exchange rate11:45
neuroso £1 here = £1 everywhere else in the UK11:45
neuro"exchange rate" what are you talking about?11:45
neuro:)11:45
shaunowell, the rate offered when you exchange them11:46
neuroi don't understand11:46
^2fCneuro: I done that now Address Reservation :o11:46
neuro^2fC: means you don't have to futz too hard with the server :)11:46
^2fC:o11:46
davmor2neuro: It's a joke from either Bill Bailey or Michael MacIntyre11:46
neuroah, i see11:47
neurothat Bill Bailey ... *shakes fist*11:47
neuro:)11:47
neurothe fun thing is11:47
shaunoit's actually something that crops up - eg, http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/business-consumer/travellers-scottish-bank-notes-better-186313411:47
neuroscottish banknotes aren't legal tender in England or Wales11:47
neurobut11:47
neurono banknotes are legal tender in Scotland11:47
shaunoI've also seen the reverse, where scottish notes were charged a higher rate11:47
^2fCneuro: can I install a dedicated game server away from home to ?11:48
^2fCsay a Source one from Steam.11:48
^2fCCS:S or something CS:GO11:48
neuroi don't know, can you/11:48
neuro?11:48
^2fC:o11:48
^2fCI don't know its all CommandLine now Steam servers.11:48
neurolike i said, last time i installed a game server was ET11:49
^2fCSo I should guess so :)11:49
^2fCyeah ET haha11:49
^2fCSorry I forgot..11:49
neuro:)11:49
^2fCWell I am off to work!11:49
MooDooi'm running a minecraft server lol11:49
neuroyeah but minecraft people are "special" ;)11:49
^2fCSpeak soon thanks ever so much for your help neuro, AlanBell, MartijnVdS, mungbean, MooDoo, popey, all you guys!11:49
^2fCUbuntu rocks!11:49
^2fCPeace.11:49
MooDooneuro: can't deny that :D11:49
neuroyou're welcome dude11:49
^2fC:>11:49
* ^2fC runs off..11:49
davmor2neuro: I think it ran along the line of, I was in Scotland and got some of their fivers and went to pay for something and...........then went into it must be the exchange rate maybe a Scottish Pound is different to and English one....No it's a POUND!!!11:49
mgdmThat was Michael McIntyre11:50
MooDoooh hello davmor2 I blatently ignored you ;)11:50
mgdmwhich I'm surprised I know, given I don't like his stuff much11:50
davmor2MooDoo: nothing new there dude ;) how am ya?11:51
neurohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z3OKE_Os1M (contains swears)11:51
MooDoodavmor2: cracking lad :) ready for the weekend?11:51
TheOpenSourcererNom, Just had a Bombay Bad Boy Pot Noodle for my lunch. Kids gave it me as a going away gift.11:52
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer: I love them, not hot enough though :) lol11:52
TheOpenSourcererExactly. I added some extra chilli sauce11:52
TheOpenSourcererI'm off to the IoW tomorrow. Going to this: http://www.isleofwightchillifiesta.co.uk/11:53
davmor2neuro: that'll be the one  :)11:53
MooDooTheOpenSourcerer: yes you're doing the pizza thing right?11:53
MartijnVdSTheOpenSourcerer: "On second thought, let's not go to the IoW. 'tis a chilli place."11:54
TheOpenSourcererPossibly yes.11:54
neurohe nails it11:54
neuroit's brilliant11:54
neuroespecially the first bit about the glasgow airport thing11:54
neurowhy oh why al qaeda thought glasgow airport would be a good target i don't know11:54
davmor2neuro: told you it was one or the other of those comedians they are the ones we tend to watch the most :)11:54
neuro:)11:54
neurodavmor2: you should watch some kevin bridges, he is genius11:55
davmor2neuro: yeah got his dvd too11:55
mgdmneuro: did you ever see him on Would I Lie To You?11:55
neurono :(11:55
neuro"i seen a sign that said 'have you seen this man?' I phoned up and said '... naw'. I might be a few things but i'm no a grass" :)11:56
mgdmneuro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkXxmMUIx8k11:56
davmor2neuro: I think it was frankie Boyle on mock the week who said what were al qaeda thinking, they sent a burning man into glasgow airport, for a bunch of scots who were off to malaga to get burnt was it just irony?11:57
shaunothe truth's probably a lot more boring.  they were working in paisley.  they weren't singling out glasgow airport.  simply 'the airport'.11:59
zleapany idea how to run clamav to scan a flash disk12:00
zleapclamav isn't working from command line, can't fimd a man page either12:00
MooDoocan't you just run sudo clamscan -r /folderlocation?12:05
davmor2zleap: if you are on a desktop just install clamtk and run it from the gui :)12:21
mungbeani saw somebody on secret eaters yesterday who i recognise :S12:26
^2fC-iPhoneAh nice on my iPhone :o12:26
MartijnVdSmungbean: secret-eaters?12:34
diddledanmungbean: someone you know or just know of?12:38
MyrttiAlanBell: http://www.buzzfeed.com/peggy/positively-dreamy-chicken-coops12:46
SuperMatt412:47
SuperMattoop12:47
mungbeansomeone i recognise from the train12:49
mungbeanused to take my train to work12:49
bigcalmAnybody know how long VPN rules take to take effect on a Rackspace firewall?13:31
bigcalmOh, it's working \o/13:36
SuperMattso about 5 minutes then?13:40
bigcalmSuperMatt: or it was instant but I didn't work out how to test it until just now13:40
SuperMattah right13:43
SuperMattit's always good to know when something is instant13:43
SuperMattI hate waiting for stuff13:43
SuperMattthis is IT dammit!13:43
bigcalm:)13:44
bigcalmI think I should let my parents know that it's sysadmin day13:44
SuperMattdo you sysadmin for them a lot?13:47
mungbeani know its useless internet points but when your link hits the top of a subreddit and the upvotes start flying up, its quite fun13:53
SuperMattwhich is this?13:55
mungbeanhuh?13:56
SuperMattwhich post on which subreddit?13:56
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: /r/vxjunkies13:57
SuperMatt...13:57
SuperMattyou're not mungbean13:57
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: still, you should read there :)13:57
mungbeanits not a default sub so it won't be on THE front page13:57
mungbeandoesn't matter *which* story today, but its generally fun13:58
mungbeanalthough self.post != link karma (more useless internet points)13:58
SuperMattaww man]13:58
SuperMattI had no idea13:58
mungbeanyou can't do anything with reddit karma13:59
mungbeanand i have > 5 user accounts anyway13:59
MartijnVdSmungbean: impress friends, maybe13:59
mungbeandepending on which sub i'm posting in, disclsing personal info etc14:00
mungbeani even destroy my irc karma once a year14:00
mungbeanhttp://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/14:02
mungbeancool sub14:02
diploheh, just looking at  /r/wtf :)14:30
popeyMorning14:33
bigcalmGood evening14:35
shaunois /r/all not in the default subs?14:42
mgdmthat wouldn't really make sense, would it?14:43
shaunoI don't see why not, because only the top of /r/all would make it to the front page14:44
SuperMattpoor /r/atheism14:45
shaunoso it'd seed the default frontpage with the most interesting posts from everywhere else14:45
mungbeansad angry ignorant children in that sub14:45
SuperMattit was a nice place to go to see funny images14:46
mgdmThe only reason I have a reddit account is to remove /r/atheism14:49
mungbeanlol14:49
mungbeani rarely sub to default ones14:49
mungbeani prefer midlyinteresting and pareidolia14:49
mungbeanunsub all the biggies as its mostly dupes and kids discovering facts of life for the first time14:50
mungbeanTIL there was a man on the mOON!14:50
shaunoand he's made of cheese!14:50
mgdmwhat's 'pareidolia'?14:50
mungbeanthings that look like other things, usually faces14:51
mungbeanits funny14:51
mgdmahh, yes14:51
mgdmI knew I'd seen the word but couldn't remember what it was14:51
mungbeancos a handdrier has a face liek -_-14:51
mgdmmy favourite of those is the evil plotting boxes14:52
mgdmhttp://richardwiseman.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/boxes.jpg14:52
SuperMattso good14:53
bigcalmSoon14:53
mungbeani like the boxes15:02
mungbeaneeebil15:02
mungbeanits clear what the line is that people want to pay for ubuntu edge phone15:20
mungbeanalso, would people normally balk at $30 shipping cost?15:21
bigcalmIt's relative to the cost of the purchase15:23
HoT|2fC^Anyone know why I can't access SSH anymore?15:37
HoT|2fC^It's just stopped working saying It cant find connection, I have internet on.15:37
diddledanI shut off access15:38
HoT|2fC^:o15:38
diddledanI was fed up with "haxx0rs"15:38
HoT|2fC^You did what :D15:38
HoT|2fC^Noway!15:38
mungbeanpackets were leaking all over the floor15:38
HoT|2fC^waaa15:38
diddledanyeah, that too15:38
HoT|2fC^Seriously?15:38
HoT|2fC^When I try use Putty it says the host im entering does not exist :\15:39
brobostigonare you using ip or hostname ?15:39
HoT|2fC^both brobostigon still wont work im doing it from my windows machine..15:39
mungbeanwhat is the exact error15:39
HoT|2fC^Ive been in and out on the iPhone to on my travels.15:39
mungbeanand can you ping the host from your pc15:39
HoT|2fC^mungbean yeah ping works on that server IP15:39
brobostigoncan you ping the hostname?15:40
HoT|2fC^not sure :\15:40
diddledanping is THE most useful program evar!15:40
HoT|2fC^let me see15:40
HoT|2fC^nope says bad request15:40
diddledanfollowed shortly by dogz15:40
SuperMattnmap the host to see if the port is open15:40
brobostigonissue partly solved,15:40
mungbeanwhat are you typing15:40
HoT|2fC^ping hostname ?15:41
mungbeanexactly15:41
HoT|2fC^in CMD promt lol15:41
mungbeanwhat is the hostname15:41
HoT|2fC^why?15:41
HoT|2fC^:)15:41
mungbeanwhat exact characters are you typing15:41
HoT|2fC^I know it ..15:41
mungbeanyour pc doesn't know it15:41
HoT|2fC^ping "myhost"15:41
HoT|2fC^did before :\15:41
mungbeanin "quotes"?15:41
brobostigondont use ""15:41
HoT|2fC^why not now :/ no I didnt use ""15:41
mungbeanwhat exact characters are you typing15:41
mungbeanwhat exact characters are you typing15:41
mungbeangettit?15:42
HoT|2fC^ping hostname15:42
mungbeanis it a host in your house?15:42
SuperMattare you typing hostname in here to protect your hostname, or are you actually typing hostname?15:42
HoT|2fC^mungbean yes15:42
HoT|2fC^typing hostname to protect my hostname15:42
mungbeanok the host has an ip address.15:43
HoT|2fC^I did that :)15:43
mungbeanbut your PC can't translate the hostname to IP15:43
mungbeancan you ping the ip15:43
mungbeanping 192.168.1.215:43
HoT|2fC^mungbean: yes15:43
mungbeanand if you type that in putty?15:43
HoT|2fC^I get on PuTTY: Network Error: Timed out.15:44
mungbeanbecause sshd is not running on the server maybe15:44
HoT|2fC^I rebooted the server?15:44
HoT|2fC^How would it turn its self off ?15:44
mungbeanps -ef | grep sshd15:44
HoT|2fC^I cant access the server mungbean how would I do ps -ef | grep sshd :(15:44
HoT|2fC^Even if I go down it says Out of range on my screen anyway \o/15:45
HoT|2fC^Also the screen I use, I am using now for my PC in my room.15:45
HoT|2fC^So short of screens :o15:45
mungbeanbut it returns ping?15:45
HoT|2fC^yes15:45
mungbeanare you sure it is the correct host?15:45
mungbeanmaybe your phone is using that IP now15:45
HoT|2fC^yeah15:45
HoT|2fC^:o15:45
HoT|2fC^I tried on my phone an it wont let me connect either15:46
mungbeanlook on the wifi router to see which IPs are allocated15:46
MooDoois the sshd running on the server?15:46
MooDoosorry if i'm interferring15:46
diddledannetworking concepts should be taught at primary schools15:46
HoT|2fC^MooDoo it should be yeah15:46
HoT|2fC^lol diddledan indeed!15:46
MooDooHoT|2fC^: should?15:46
HoT|2fC^it should be running ?15:47
HoT|2fC^on the server Monotoko15:47
HoT|2fC^MooDoo*15:47
MooDooHoT|2fC^: no the answer should yes it is, if you're not sure it might not be which could be causing your problems :D15:47
HoT|2fC^When I go on accteched devices I get my server name "Host" and "IP" with "MAC"15:47
HoT|2fC^MooDoo, so why did it work before :]15:48
MooDoohmmmm interesting15:48
HoT|2fC^gets me..15:48
mungbeanyou could type blindly into the server if screen is bust15:48
mungbeanctrl-alt-f115:48
mungbeanusername ->15:48
mungbeanpassword15:48
mungbeansudo service ssh restart15:49
diddledanooh, debian import freeze - that means we're getting close, right?15:49
mungbeanpassword15:49
diddledan13.10**15:49
HoT|2fC^mungbean, ahh ok ok :)15:49
HoT|2fC^I will go ahead and try that now then...15:49
brobostigondiddledan: a few more months to go. :)15:49
diddledanonly 215:50
diddledanthat's a couple, not a few :-p15:50
HoT|2fC^mungbean just tried that and still no luck :( says Connection Timed out again.15:52
MooDoohmm something doesn't sound right15:53
HoT|2fC^yeah I know :\15:53
HoT|2fC^weird..15:53
MooDoodid you give the server a static ip or is it DHCP?15:53
HoT|2fC^I gave it a DHCP :\15:53
HoT|2fC^It was static but I then changed it...15:53
HoT|2fC^was working fine15:53
MooDooI would of left it as a static IP15:53
HoT|2fC^It was dhcp15:53
HoT|2fC^then changed to static, then back to dhcp an no problems...15:54
MooDooif you've set it up right it being static should have no prblems if setup ok15:54
HoT|2fC^It was ok on my phone I was installing SteamCMD15:54
HoT|2fC^logged out an now when I try it on my phone or PC it wont work.15:55
MooDoook so what's the IP of the server now?15:55
HoT|2fC^same its always been :/15:56
HoT|2fC^I added it to my Router > LAN15:56
HoT|2fC^so it makes it static? I just added the server with IP 192.168.0.xxx15:56
MooDooyou shouldn't have to add it to the router....if all machines on your lan are dhcp then it should just work, you ssh from the machine your on to the server using it's IP and if SSHD is enabled it should respond.15:57
HoT|2fC^mmm I see ok so must be down on the server ...15:57
MooDoorouter 192.168.0.1    server 192.168.0.2   pc 192.168.0.3 as and example and you should be able to just ssh15:57
HoT|2fC^I must go try this screen now as I changed in the GRUB before the res to 1024x76815:57
MooDooyeah you need to be able to see the server so you can watch what's going on15:58
MooDooand can access it15:58
HoT|2fC^Yeah15:58
HoT|2fC^Brb :) will go see.15:58
HoT|2fC^iPadon my phone i can see tty now i did sudo service ssh restart an get ssh stop/waiting.. ssh start/running, process xxx16:03
MooDoodo a ifconfig and confirm the servers ip16:03
MooDoolook for eth016:04
MartijnVdSip addr show dev eth016:04
MartijnVdSifconfig = old & deprecated16:04
HoT|2fC^iPadeth0: 192.160.0.xxx yes its correct IP.16:05
MooDooMartijnVdS: i know but it's a one word command16:05
MartijnVdSMooDoo: but old & busted :)16:05
MooDooHoT|2fC^: ok what os is on the laptop/pc?16:05
MattJ`ifc<TAB>eth0` is too easy16:05
HoT|2fC^iPadUbuntu Server 12.04.2 LTS on DL380 G316:06
MartijnVdSMattJ: alias i='ip addr show dev'16:06
bigcalmAnybody know if Spotify have a support route for reporting badly ripped tracks? The one I was listening to just now was really skippy16:06
MartijnVdSbigcalm: I think that's up to the label16:06
bigcalmOh :|16:06
SuperMattI just do ip a16:06
MattJbigcalm, sure it's the actual audio? Sometimes I get that, but it's fixed by restarting16:06
MartijnVdSSuperMatt: ip a s eth0 ?16:06
SuperMattthat'll do16:07
bigcalmMattJ: all tracks are fine until I get to this one track: http://open.spotify.com/track/7lUEfgYUsAyGw1dNClLU3516:07
MattJbigcalm, but in general no, they don't handle reports for any of the music, including incorrect metadata (quite annoying)16:07
bigcalmShame16:07
SuperMattthat's annoying16:07
bigcalmIt is, as I really like Fish16:08
MartijnVdSbigcalm: what's wrong with that track?16:08
bigcalmMartijnVdS: part way though it starts skipping16:08
HoT|2fC^iPaddam connection16:08
HoT|2fC^iPadit pings from my server to my pc16:08
MartijnVdSbigcalm: how far in?16:08
bigcalmMartijnVdS: 3:0716:08
MooDooHoT|2fC^: so what ok is on your pc?  windows?16:08
MooDoosok16:08
MartijnVdSbigcalm: agreed. it's not on your end :)16:08
bigcalm:)16:08
HoT|2fC^iPadyes windows16:09
MooDooso using putty what happens when you ssh to the servers IP address?16:09
HoT|2fC^iPadsame message :/ Connection lost: Timed out16:09
HoT|2fC^iPadI have restarted the server now16:10
MattJbigcalm, yeah, it's definitely broken, it keeps repeating "fish" over and over16:10
MooDooHoT|2fC^: on the server sudo netstat -alnp |grep :2216:10
HoT|2fC^iPadLoading it back up, can I get intothe GUI instead of this TTY .. Ctrl>Alt>F116:10
bigcalmMattJ: :D16:11
HoT|2fC^iPadI get out of range again arghhh16:11
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^iPad: are you on the same network?16:11
HoT|2fC^iPadi did crrl alt f116:11
MartijnVdSor are you on another network (different DHCP server, or mobile instead of home, etc.)16:11
HoT|2fC^iPadMartijnVdS,  yes16:11
HoT|2fC^iPadon my home network16:12
HoT|2fC^iPadnot using mobiles network now16:12
HoT|2fC^iPadIm annoyed cant access an console on server as says out of range still16:13
SuperMattreboot again, but when grub comes up, go in to failsafe mode16:14
HoT|2fC^iPadI cant see SuperMatt ??16:14
HoT|2fC^iPadCant see my grub!16:15
SuperMattnothing at all? that seems weird16:15
SuperMattI would have thought grub would pick a safe resolution16:15
HoT|2fC^iPadi get _ blink top left an then out of range on screen16:15
SuperMattok, jam in a usb/cd and reconfigure stuff16:15
HoT|2fC^iPadits to do with BIOS ON THIS system sorry caps16:15
SuperMattrather than say sorry caps, why didn't you just fix it?!16:15
SuperMattit wasn't too late!16:16
HoT|2fC^iPadmmm then hat with the disc in??16:16
HoT|2fC^iPadwhat*16:16
DJonesHoT|2fC^iPad: You may want to to remember that us thus ubunt-uk so Enlish is the expected language, "HoT|2fC^iPad> mmm then hat with the disc in??16:17
DJonesMake absoloutley no sense at all all16:17
HoT|2fC^iPadDJones, you try and type via iphone lol16:17
HoT|2fC^iPadOk booted up with ubuntu serer 12.04.2 lts in and will boot from cd yes ?16:18
HoT|2fC^iPadbooted now what lol16:19
DJonesHoT|2fC^iPad: I use android myself, however I do read what I write before pressing enter16:19
SuperMattwell, if you can see the screen, you can mount your disk and fix the resolution issues16:19
SuperMattand also check your networking16:19
HoT|2fC^iPadI can yes SuperMatt when I boot from the disc..16:19
SuperMattnever underestimate the power of a live cd/usb16:20
HoT|2fC^iPad:o16:20
MooDooisn't it a pain when something so simple just doesn't work :S16:21
HoT|2fC^iPadYes :( I know the feeling.16:21
HoT|2fC^iPadOk I got, Install Ubuntu Server, Multiple server install with MASS, Check disc for defects, Test memory, Boot from first hard disk, Rescue a broken system then i have F1: Help, F2 Language, F3: Keymap, F4: Modes, F5: Accessibility, F6: Other options16:24
HoT|2fC^iPadSo what now? :)16:24
MooDooHoT|2fC^: are you wanting to just install server? then i would install ubuntu server, when it asks you what options to pick make sure it's SSH server16:28
HoT|2fC^iPadMooDoo, I did that :/16:29
HoT|2fC^iPadI have it installed already.16:29
MooDooHoT|2fC^iPad: then you're doing something wrong, a simple ubuntu install with a ssh server should just work16:29
HoT|2fC^iPadThe OS and SSH is installed..16:29
MartijnVdSand ping works as well?16:29
HoT|2fC^iPadMartijnVdS, yes16:30
DJonesHoT|2fC^iPad: What happens when you ssh to the server then?16:30
HoT|2fC^iPadSame thing as before :/16:31
HoT|2fC^iPadConnection timed out16:31
HoT|2fC^iPadising host name to connect ip and external ip16:31
MartijnVdSconnection timed out makes me think there's a firewall16:31
MartijnVdSthat's dropping packets16:31
MartijnVdSor you're mis-typing the IP16:31
HoT|2fC^iPadohh crap16:31
HoT|2fC^iPadI did fire wall settings off here ...16:32
HoT|2fC^iPadhttp://www.ctrlalttech.com/steamCMD_Ubuntu_Linux16:32
DJonesHoT|2fC^iPad: Presumably you have done the obvious thing and allowed your router to enable ssh connections to your server16:32
HoT|2fC^iPadI followed those steps amd enabled firewall that explains it then :O16:32
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^iPad: don't follow random HOWTOs of the internet when you ask other people to help you16:32
HoT|2fC^iPadI have to reinstall the os and do it agaim16:32
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^iPad: *first* fix the boot stuff, so you can use the screen16:33
HoT|2fC^iPadTrue but im like that lol I should not really i know z16:33
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^iPad: *then* set up the firewall (preferrably using "ufw")16:33
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^iPad: don't run commands you don't know the meaning of, basically16:33
HoT|2fC^iPadYeah true I will this time16:33
HoT|2fC^iPadok :o thanks MartijnVdS16:33
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^iPad: no problem, just a precaution for next time :)16:36
HoT|2fC^iPadMartijnVdS, indeed! I ised entire disc to install I only have one 36GB SCSI drive.16:36
HoT|2fC^iPadused*16:37
HoT|2fC^iPadIs that ok? or would i of needed to do a swap file and ext4 pr something16:37
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^iPad: that's what the "full disk" install does automatically I think16:39
HoT|2fC^iPadAh okok :) no need to worry there then.16:39
HoT|2fC^iPadshell i no install grub as it will be the only OS on my hard drive? its asking Install the grub boot loader on a hard disk?16:50
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^iPad: select the option that installs it in "mbr" or "master boot record"16:51
HoT|2fC^iPadCan I not just select "no" ? As its messing my res up anyway16:51
MartijnVdSit won't boot without a boot loader16:51
HoT|2fC^iPadoh right ok good job I didnt hit no lol16:51
HoT|2fC^ok Im back and running, so I have Ubuntu Server 12.04.2 LTS (32Bit) running on my server... and when I turn it on I get "Out of Range" along my 17inch LCD monitor, so I have SSH installed and I am able to access it via my Windows PC using PuTTY.17:44
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: yay :)17:44
HoT|2fC^I am now in the System, what do I do from here?17:44
HoT|2fC^hehe MartijnVdS ;) ty ty!17:44
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: I sent you a HOWTO yesterday, to fix grub17:44
HoT|2fC^Framebuffer?17:45
MartijnVdShttp://askubuntu.com/questions/92276/how-do-i-boot-into-true-text-mode -> Jorge Castro's answer17:45
HoT|2fC^wiki how one ..17:45
HoT|2fC^ah ok ok :)17:45
MartijnVdS^ that fixes grub17:45
MartijnVdSafter that, we fix the kernel :)17:45
diddledanwhat's wrong with the kernel?17:45
diddledano_O17:45
HoT|2fC^Ok I see :)17:45
MartijnVdSdiddledan: his monitor claims to support a resolution it doesn't support17:46
MartijnVdSdiddledan: so the kernel happily drives it at the high resolution17:46
MartijnVdSdiddledan: but the screen goes "EEP"17:46
HoT|2fC^yes diddledan what he said.17:46
diddledanoh dear17:46
HoT|2fC^Yeah it's kinda bad, but fixable :)17:46
diddledannomodeset :-p17:46
MartijnVdSdiddledan: yeah but *grub* also uses a nonstandard graphics mode these days17:47
diddledanergh17:47
HoT|2fC^yeah17:47
diddledanthat's annoying17:47
HoT|2fC^bummer :)17:47
HoT|2fC^indeed!17:47
MartijnVdSdiddledan: monitors should just have proper info embedded17:47
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: how old are your screens? :)17:47
HoT|2fC^MartijnVdS its a Digimate 17inch LCD its around 8 years17:47
diddledanvery old by the sounds17:47
HoT|2fC^more..17:47
HoT|2fC^I have another one but a Samtron 17inch LCD thats busted :)17:48
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: yeah, current monitors have proper ID chips in them.. old ones (especially off-brand ones) don't :)17:48
HoT|2fC^Ah yeah I understand...17:48
HoT|2fC^hey MartijnVdS am I right in doing this after I installed Ubuntu...17:48
HoT|2fC^sudo apt-get update > sudo apt-get upgrade17:49
HoT|2fC^?17:49
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: that updates the package list, then upgrades all packages that have updates available17:49
HoT|2fC^I nice nice17:49
HoT|2fC^Ah817:49
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: 'man apt-get' will tell you what it does exactly17:49
HoT|2fC^http://pastebin.com/6SUfzyvB17:51
HoT|2fC^thats what I get when I do "man apt-get"17:51
diddledanok, grub-pc (2.0) uses the option "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" to disable the gfx - not sure how to do it in grub 1 anymore17:52
diddledanthat's in /etc/default/grub17:52
HoT|2fC^guys could I remote desktop it ?17:52
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: yeah, that's the manual :)17:52
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: uh.. you ssh'd to it17:52
HoT|2fC^MartijnVdS, oh man I fail LoL17:52
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: you would you also remote-desktop? :)17:53
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: press 'q' to quit the pager17:53
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: there are manuals for most (if not all) commands you can run17:53
HoT|2fC^nice :)17:53
HoT|2fC^'q' is a nice one17:53
* popey heads home17:53
Laneyzoom zoom17:53
MartijnVdSpopey: *woosh*17:53
* HoT|2fC^ hands him some petrol moneys..17:53
* Laney heads to read his book in the park17:54
HoT|2fC^go super fast! :D only kidding, safe journeys.17:54
Laneystupid Qt has annoyed me of the computer17:54
Laneyoff17:54
diddledandon't listen to the william tell overture!17:54
MartijnVdSdiddledan: ?17:54
HoT|2fC^MartijnVdS, so now I go to edit /etc/default/grub17:55
diddledanMartijnVdS: makes you drive too fast17:55
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: yes, like the post on askubuntu explains how17:55
HoT|2fC^how would I edit it ?17:56
HoT|2fC^do I need to use vim17:56
diddledannano17:56
HoT|2fC^or some editer17:56
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: you can use any editor you like17:56
MartijnVdSnano is probably the easiest17:56
HoT|2fC^so id do nano then /etc/default/grub17:57
diddledanI like nano except that it uses ^w for find so I get used to it and then try the same combo in my gui editors >.<17:57
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: well, that file can only be edited by the superuser17:57
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: so you have to run nano as superuser: sudo nano /etc/default/grub17:57
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: man sudo ;)17:57
diddledanHoT|2fC^: ofc, if you have trouble with man, try: man man :-p17:58
HoT|2fC^lol17:58
HoT|2fC^:)17:58
HoT|2fC^ok im in17:58
MartijnVdSno really17:58
HoT|2fC^ah right haha thats cool :)17:59
diddledanself-hosting ftw17:59
diddledangcc compiles gcc,etc.17:59
HoT|2fC^so I add these lines to my grub menu ?17:59
diddledanthe lines should already be there18:00
diddledanyou just need to change them to be the same as shown18:00
HoT|2fC^ah ok :)18:00
HoT|2fC^ty diddledan18:00
diddledanline 11 needs a # at the beginning, and line 20 needs the # removed18:00
HoT|2fC^really?18:01
diddledan(according to the answer on the askubuntu page)18:01
HoT|2fC^:o18:02
diddledanyou could change line 11 instead of putting the # leave it as is but replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset"18:02
HoT|2fC^to edit in nano what do I press to edit ?18:02
HoT|2fC^ok18:02
diddledanerm.. anything?18:02
HoT|2fC^just type18:02
HoT|2fC^lol18:03
diddledanyup, it's not arcane like vim18:03
HoT|2fC^ah ok nice :)18:03
HoT|2fC^and for my gfx res size shell I do 1024x768?18:04
diddledanI think I'm a coke addict18:04
diddledanHoT|2fC^: you shouldn't need to touch the resolution if you uncomment GRUB_TERMINAL=console18:04
HoT|2fC^if I uncomment beep at grub start will it beep18:05
* neuro has just ordered a bunch of stuff to upgrade his esxi server this w/e18:05
diddledanit should do if your server has a speaker embedded18:05
HoT|2fC^diddledan, but that (grub-pc only) does that not mean not for a server18:06
diddledanneuro: esxi requires windows to manage it, doesn't it?18:06
HoT|2fC^ah yeah it beeps has speaker.18:06
neurosadly18:06
neurowhich is why i keep a dell vostro hanging around18:06
neuroand win7 VMs on my macbook pros18:06
neuroshould be pretty funky18:07
diddledanHoT|2fC^: no, grub-pc means the version of grub, (for BIOS based computers as opposed to EFI/uEFI based)18:07
neurothe 1tb that the machine shipped with is knackered, i'm pretty sure18:07
neuroso have ordered a 500gb wd black to replace it18:07
HoT|2fC^diddledan, ty18:07
neuroand a synology ds213j with 2x wd red 2tb for vm storage18:07
diddledanneuro: I'm jealous18:08
neuroquarterly bonus time \o/18:08
diddledanno fair18:08
neurobit mad, ebuyer were doing a bundle deal18:08
diddledanI haven't checked how much I got paid yet today18:08
neurods213j with 2x wd red 2tb preinstalled18:08
diddledanooh18:08
neurofor about 360 quid18:08
* diddledan clickies18:08
neurobut they're doing a special on 2tb reds until the 31st18:08
neuroso it's actually cheaper to buy the bare ds213j and the 2tb reds separately18:09
neurocomes out to about 230 quid18:09
neuroerk18:09
neuro320 quid18:09
neurofirst time playing with synology stuff, so should be interesting18:10
HoT|2fC^diddledan, after I have done sudo update-grub18:10
HoT|2fC^can I remote test it then ?18:10
diddledansynologys are quite nice18:10
HoT|2fC^so I can see whats on screen (IE: Login Screen).18:10
HoT|2fC^Access the desktop ?18:10
HoT|2fC^on my server be nice !18:11
diddledanHoT|2fC^: you installed server, there is no desktop18:11
neuroalso means i can shut down my old esxi 4 server, so this'll save electricity in the long run :)18:11
diddledanHoT|2fC^: the point of server is that it is bare-minimum to operate so that you can run mission critical workloads without things like gui desktop providing attack vectors18:12
MartijnVdS(or memory/cpu load)18:12
neuroor using up additional system resources18:12
neuroyeah18:12
diddledanyeah, them too18:12
neurothose pesky rams18:12
diddledanbaaa18:13
HoT|2fC^lol yhaha yeah nice18:13
HoT|2fC^I see18:13
diddledanhow dare you incite my welshness?!18:13
HoT|2fC^:}18:13
HoT|2fC^how do I save in nano now im done?18:13
diddledanpress ctrl+x and then type y followed by enter18:14
MartijnVdSlike it says at the bottom18:14
HoT|2fC^done now sudo update-grub18:14
diddledanyup18:14
HoT|2fC^ok thats done18:15
HoT|2fC^now kernal :o18:15
HoT|2fC^MartijnVdS, where are ya :D18:15
neuroi must admit, i was tempted to buy more toys off ebuyer but i'm gonna save some pennies to get an xbox one in november :)18:15
diddledan:-o microsnot?! </troll>18:16
neuroif microsoft do one thing well, it's hardware18:16
* neuro hugs his 36018:16
diddledanwhich happens to be quite ironic for a software company18:16
neuroin fact i'll be off to play some battlefield 3 soon18:16
neuroha yeah18:17
diddledanergh, my work siren just went off18:17
diddledansomething's broke18:17
neurowow, this is the first order i've placed with ebuyer since august18:17
neurowhen i bought all my stuff to build my esxi box18:17
neuroram, nics etc18:18
HoT|2fC^how do you unzip a tar.gz file ?18:19
diddledanHoT|2fC^: tar zxvf file.tar.gz18:20
HoT|2fC^diddledan, thanks I was just doing that before and I got a error let me see...18:21
neurobear in mind that will unpack the tarball into the current directory18:22
neuroyou can see what's inside by using the test flag: tar tvzf file.tar.gz18:22
neuroand i usually create a temp or scratch or fish or bob or whatever subdirectory, cd in and unpack in there18:22
neurotar xvzf ../file.tar.gz18:23
HoT|2fC^yeah Im doing "steam"18:23
HoT|2fC^so id be in steam directtory18:23
HoT|2fC^an unpack the SteamCMD18:23
HoT|2fC^to install CS:S18:23
diddledanmkdir foo; tar zxvf file.tar.gz -C foo18:23
MartijnVdSman tar18:24
HoT|2fC^whos man and what does man do :o18:24
diddledanman man18:24
HoT|2fC^:D18:24
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* popey moos from portland airport18:34
neuropdx?18:34
popeyya18:34
neurosaucy18:34
MartijnVdSpopey: long wait?18:35
popeya few hours18:39
* popey has found a power socket18:39
MartijnVdSpopey: it only delivers half the voltage though18:39
popeyyeah, charger gets twice as hot18:39
MartijnVdSpopey: had a good time in Portland, overall?18:39
popeyvery18:39
popeygave the phone demo so many times18:40
popey booth was constantly busy with people wanting to see it18:40
popeyand people kept coming back to tell us they had backed the campaign after seeing us demo it18:40
diddledannice18:41
diddledanthat's good to hear18:41
mungbeanyeah18:41
diddledanwe're not advancing fast enough tho.. still only on 6.618:41
mungbeando a demo on youtube, or is there one~?18:42
diddledanthere's a teaser promo18:42
diddledanas featured on the indiegogo18:42
popeyyeah, could do a demo of the latest state of the system18:43
popeyin fact18:43
* popey flashes his phone with latest image while on airport wifi18:43
diddledanlol18:43
neurochrist, you're brave18:43
diddledanthat's impressive dedication!18:43
MartijnVdShe's going to try to get the entire plane to pledge on the flight bakc18:44
diddledanhow long's the flight? in fact, do a presentation once the stewards have done theirs18:45
popeyportland -> vancouver -> london18:46
popeyarrive tomorrow at 11am18:46
MartijnVdSpopey: portland -> vancouver is just a small hop though right?18:47
neurospeaking of pledges18:47
popeyno idea18:47
neuroyesterday was 32K/hr18:47
neurotoday so far is 21K/hr :(18:47
MartijnVdSpopey: it's a 1 hour flight18:47
popeyoddly flew london -> calgary -> portland on the way here18:48
popeyi no longer check the indiegogo page now I have an indicator showing me the current level ☻18:48
MartijnVdSpopey: (there's also a Vancouver just north of Portland in WA)18:48
popeyyeah, some people from domain.com were in the booth next to us and came from there18:49
MartijnVdSbut Vancouver, WA (in the US) has no airport, because it's next to the Portland International one :)18:49
mungbeangoing to portland UK for my holiday this year :D18:49
diddledanok, so.. I _need_ a siren to go off whenever there's a new email in a specific gmail label. how easy will it be to code up a thingy for ubuntu touch that will do that for me so I always get alerted when something breaks? (note, I'm php+javascript by trade)18:50
diddledanthat's the only thing that I require out of my android that I'm not willing to lose18:50
diddledanother than phone, obv18:51
ali1234well currently you would have to do it through web apps18:51
diddledanhmm18:51
ali1234it would be fairly easy18:51
ali1234the gmail webapp already list the number of unread emails in each labels18:51
shaunophp will hit up imap easy enough, it's not ridiculuous.  but are web apps allowed to stay resident?18:51
ali1234the siren part could be hard though18:51
ali1234you probably are limited to only ubuntu notifications without a lot of excessive hackery18:52
ali1234php is not involved18:52
ali1234webapps are javascript. they work exactly like greasemonkey with an extra javascript api for unity integration18:52
ali1234in fact the mozilla version is a fork of greasemonkey, or used to be18:53
shaunojust thinking that's how I'd do it, personally.  an app on the phone that pings a server every so often.  the server replies with a little json that gives you a count of how many mails are in that imap folder.  webapp goes nuts when that value doesn't match the previous18:53
ali1234there is no reason to use webapps if you do it that way18:54
ali1234Qt would be a better choice. it can easily monitor a json-rpc18:54
ali1234the only reason to use webapps instead of Qt is because the gmail webapps already exists18:56
HoT|2fC^anything I can type to get up my usage, processes etc in terminal ?18:56
diddledanHoT|2fC^: top18:57
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: top?18:57
diddledanor ps aux18:57
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: ps (it needs a few command line options -- see 'man ps'18:57
shaunohtop!18:57
MartijnVdSshauno: no swearing18:57
HoT|2fC^LoL18:57
diddledanshauno: you gone sweedish? (shtop...)18:57
shaunogek nederlandeer!  htop has teh pretties18:57
HoT|2fC^yeah I remember that htop nice one shauno18:57
HoT|2fC^What about temps :o18:57
MartijnVdSshauno: *gekke Nederlander18:58
HoT|2fC^Interesting, an that fan speed LoL its noisey the server.18:58
diddledanHoT|2fC^: servers always are18:58
MartijnVdSservers tend to sound like airports18:58
popeyapparently a De Havilland Canada DHC-8-300 Dash 818:58
shaunothat's quite normal for a server.  mine has .. I think 16 fans?18:58
diddledanpopey: and you!18:58
HoT|2fC^MartijnVdS, yeah lol nice an load its in basement so its ok :)18:58
MartijnVdSpopey: I flew in one of those to B'ham and back18:58
MartijnVdSpopey: not too bad, but no intercontinental airliner :)18:59
popeylooks cozy18:59
shaunobe afraid, it's british :p18:59
neurowat?19:00
shaunoDe Havilland are, or were at least, british19:00
neuroDHC stands for de Havilland Canada19:01
neuroand they're made by Bombardier now, canadian company19:01
diddledanI wonder how I'd get on if I upgraded to saucy sausage 2 months early19:01
popeywasn't canonical one a Bombardier plane?19:01
MartijnVdSdiddledan: works fine here19:01
MartijnVdSpopey: it is19:01
popeyhe has a new one now I think19:01
popeynot the same plane19:01
MartijnVdSpopey: Canonical Two?19:01
popeyheh19:01
MartijnVdSor is it a title that passes to the next plane?19:02
neurobombardier global express19:02
HoT|2fC^anyway of getting syste, and cpu temps up in terminal?19:02
neuroowned by HBD Venture Capital19:02
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: depends19:02
HoT|2fC^MartijnVdS, just something basic.19:02
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: you'll need to google that one.. system temps - no idea19:03
HoT|2fC^Ok :)19:03
HoT|2fC^ty19:03
shauno'sensors' is about as basic as it gets (package lm_sensors I think)19:03
neuroaye19:03
neurobut read about it first19:03
MartijnVdSisn't lm_sensors old & busted?19:03
neuroit's still in the repos19:04
shaunono idea.  seems to work fine on my machines.  but they're no spring chickens either19:04
HoT|2fC^I did lm-sensors19:04
HoT|2fC^not found :/19:04
neurohttp://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/lm-sensors19:05
shaunoif it's been abandoned instead of fixed, that'll make me *sigh*19:05
neuroit's in universe19:05
neuroit's not19:05
neuroand i'll wager 2fC hasn't enabled universe19:05
neuroor multiverse19:05
HoT|2fC^neuro can I get in terminal ?19:05
neuroyou can get anything in the termainl19:06
neuros/termainl/terminal/19:06
neuroif you've just done a basic install, your package sources are probably a bit of a mess right now19:06
HoT|2fC^its not a basic19:07
HoT|2fC^its a full install :o19:07
* neuro sighs19:07
neuro:)19:07
HoT|2fC^:o19:07
neuroif you want, and i've no doubt i'll get shouted at for suggesting this, you can edit /etc/apt/sources.list as root19:07
neuroblank it19:08
neuroand just have these three lines:19:08
neurodeb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise main restricted universe multiverse19:08
neurodeb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates main restricted univers19:08
mungbeani just watched the ubuntu edge video on the IGG site19:08
neuroe multiverse19:08
neuro(stupid cropping)19:08
neurodeb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu precise-security main restricted universe multiverse19:08
mungbeanrelated videos...video of stallman dissing ubuntu19:08
neuroargh19:08
neuroTHE BEARDED ONE19:08
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: like I said, don't run commands you don't know19:08
MartijnVdSneuro: Please use pastebin :P19:08
neuroi would have19:08
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: what does "apt-get install lm-sensors" say?19:08
neurobut it's only three lines ;)19:08
neuroit'll say not found, because i'll wager he doesn't have universe enabled19:09
MartijnVdSneuro: it's enabled by default19:09
neuroyou sure?19:09
shaunowe're about to find out ;)19:09
MartijnVdSneuro: it is on my install, and I haven't enabled it19:09
neuroi usually need to futz about with my sources19:09
neurohmm19:09
neurogood point19:09
neurononetheless, i usually remove the source repos anyway19:09
neuroi never use them19:09
neuroand tidying up sources.list is just an old habit i have19:09
mungbeanand use return key less often :P19:09
MartijnVdSmungbean:19:10
MartijnVdSwhy19:10
MartijnVdS?19:10
neurohttp://pastebin.com/dGqThGmH19:10
HoT|2fC^MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/nbWnvPHQ19:10
MartijnVdSwut..19:11
neuroalthough my usual sources list looks like this: http://pastebin.com/FgLDNC8e19:11
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: did you install any packages?19:11
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: manually?19:11
HoT|2fC^no19:11
MartijnVdSHoT|2fC^: then.. apt-get dist-upgrade please, to install *all* security updates19:11
neurohave you done an apt-get dist-upg.... ha snap19:11
HoT|2fC^MartijnVdS: http://pastebin.com/NkDuzMXr19:13
neurosomething has messed up during a previous upgrade19:13
HoT|2fC^neuro, when I started the server I did, apt-get update and apt-get upgrade19:14
HoT|2fC^ive not restarted since :/19:14
neurorestarting doesn't matter19:14
HoT|2fC^mm ok19:14
neuronot at the moment anyway19:14
HoT|2fC^:]19:14
HoT|2fC^dont say that19:14
HoT|2fC^:(19:15
neuro?19:15
neuroyou'll need to restart if and when new kernels are installed19:15
HoT|2fC^I want it to stay alive :d19:15
HoT|2fC^yeah19:15
diddledanthat's one of my bugbears, actually. the automated security updates system on ubuntu server prompts for rebooting far too regularly19:15
neurothat's why i don't run the automated updates :)19:16
diddledan(as does the desktop updates tool)19:16
neuroi'd do an apt-get remove lm-sensors ; apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade19:16
HoT|2fC^neuro, me ?19:17
neurono, the *other* guy installing ubuntu server ;)19:17
neuroyes you :)19:17
HoT|2fC^LoL19:17
HoT|2fC^ah ok :) so you want me to type all those commands19:17
HoT|2fC^in one with ; ;19:17
neuroif you're at a root shell, yes19:17
neuroif not just prefix each apt-get with sudo19:17
neuroin fact19:17
neurochange the ; to &&19:18
neurojust to be safe19:18
HoT|2fC^do I need to put install to ?19:19
HoT|2fC^aget apt-get19:19
neuro?19:19
HoT|2fC^after*19:19
neurolet's just sort this problem first before we create new ones19:19
Azelphurjust heard a "horror story" from one of my friends that we might all be interested in19:19
neurosudo apt-get remove lm-sensors && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade19:19
HoT|2fC^wont work19:20
HoT|2fC^get same message as before about -f19:20
AzelphurSomeone stole a friend of mines laptop, he reported it to the police, as you do, the thieves got caught, so in an effort for revenge, they told the police that he had child porn on the laptop, the police arrested him and he got stuck in jail for a month19:20
Azelphur(Obviously, no such thing on the laptop)19:20
Azelphurbut pretty crazy19:20
neurowtf19:20
HoT|2fC^E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution).19:20
neuroso do this: sudo apt-get -f install19:21
Azelphurmakes me want to encrypt all the things19:21
neuroAzelphur: RIPA19:21
Azelphurneuro: yea, this was in USA19:21
neuroyou'd be forced to hand over your keys19:21
neurooh right19:21
Azelphuroh wow, we have force to hand over your keys laws?19:21
neurohave done for years19:21
Azelphurthat's broken \o/19:21
Azelphuryay for testifying against yourself19:21
neurohttp://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/contents19:22
HoT|2fC^ok working all precise security updates19:22
Azelphurneuro: makes me want to do something that makes it so that even if I give them the keys, they still can't access it19:23
HoT|2fC^neuro, there done then :)19:23
neuronow do: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade19:23
neurojust to be on the safe side19:23
HoT|2fC^Roger that!19:24
neuroyay, all my ebuyer goodies are coming from the same warehouse19:24
neurosingle delivery \o/19:24
HoT|2fC^I love that single delivery! hate Amazon when the send 1-by-1 lol19:25
neuroi don't mind that so much19:25
neurobut all this stuff is tied together19:25
neuroi need the wd reds to install in the nas to connect to the esxi server that i'm putting the wd black into19:25
neuroahhh just realised i need to do some GigE switch shenanigans to accomodate another nas :P19:26
diddledanmost switches these days can be daisy-chained19:28
neuroyeah, that's the plan19:28
neuroi have a spare linksys to plug into the procurve19:28
neuromove my laptop and desktop over to it19:28
diddledanannoying, however, is that they don't like loops19:28
neurothat'll free up a port and i can plug the new nas in there19:28
neurokeep the throughput up so it's port to port to the esxi box19:29
neurodammit19:29
neurothat's what else i meant to buy19:29
neurohttp://www.ebuyer.com/225328-hp-v1410-16g-gigabit-switch-j9560a19:29
neuromy current one is only an 8-port19:30
neurotoo late to change the order :(19:30
diddledanwhy you using esxi rather than kvm or xen, if I may be so bold?19:31
HoT|2fC^neuro, there done :)19:31
neurojust preference19:31
neuronominally one less OS to worry about19:31
diddledanfair enough19:31
neurosince it's lighter than running ubuntu + kvm19:31
neuro2fC: cool, have fun :)19:31
neurothough it does have the pain in the bum of needing windows to manage it more easily19:32
HoT|2fC^neuro, awesome thanks for that and you MartijnVdS, diddledan, MooDoo :)19:32
neuroyw19:32
HoT|2fC^brobostigon you to buddy!19:32
shaunoI keep meaning to play with esxi, and keep running into the same problem :/19:32
diddledanthere's proxmox for a linux+kvm/openvz solution, but it doesn't really stand up against the big players19:34
diddledanhttp://proxmox.org/proxmox-ve19:34
shaunoI still find openstack very interesting, but it's a complete beast to configure19:34
mungbeancloudstack easier19:36
* HoT|2fC^ pokes TheKernalMan19:37
neuro"Order Despatched"19:40
neurogood grief19:41
neuroi only ordered it at 7pm19:41
diddledanwhen's delivery?19:41
neurosometime tomorrow19:41
diddledanimpressive19:41
diddledanthat's quick shiny turnaround19:41
neurooh no19:41
neuroOH NO19:41
neuro"This part of your order will be delivered by Yodel."19:42
neuroNOOOOOOOOOO </vader>19:42
diddledandear dog!19:42
neurohope it makes it alive19:42
neurohope i actually get it tomorrow19:42
shaunohope you actually get it :/19:42
neuroif they put a card through the door, i will go postal (no pun intended)19:43
neurolooks like tomorrow is "sit in the office and play simcity" day19:43
neurooffice is right next to the front door19:43
diddledanthey'll find a way for you to miss them19:44
mungbeanwhich version SC?>19:44
diddledanthey'll wait till you pee19:44
diddledanthen pounce19:44
neuroi'll see anyone walking up to the door, so if they come up to the door, don't knock, and put a card through, i'll bloomin' well have them19:44
neurodiddledan: i can hold it :)19:44
mungbeani think royal mail should sell lockable mail boxes at cost price , would work out cheaper if everyone had a drop box19:44
mungbeanoutside their house19:44
* neuro can go 24h without a wee wee if necessary19:44
diddledannice to know19:45
neuromungbean: they'd need to be made of titanium encased in concrete and have 480V running through them19:45
mungbeani went from 5-11 without doing a wee at school19:45
mungbeanschool toilets were an open sewer19:45
diddledanmungbean: 6 years?!19:45
neurolol19:45
neuroi thought you'd meant 5am-11am19:45
neuromungbean: anyway, to distract the conversation's current direction, the latest simcity19:46
MartijnVdSneuro: 5am to 11pm19:46
neuroam waiting patiently for the delayed mac version to come out so i can play simcity in the living room without having to run it in a VM19:47
mungbeanhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-2346070919:47
mungbeanthe plague?19:47
neuroyeah, saw that19:47
MartijnVdSmungbean: the black one19:47
neurothe squirrels are carriers19:47
mungbeanbubonic?19:47
neuroyup19:47
neuroso they have to double check if the squirrel was just a carrier and died of natural causes, or if it was the plague that killed it19:47
neurohappens every few years over there19:47
neurobut, of course, it's the news, so PLAGUE ZOMG RUN!19:48
neurospeaking of bubonic plague, time to order up my payday pizza from dominos19:49
diddledanwhat a good idea19:49
MartijnVdSdiddledan: payday pizza?19:49
diddledannah, the plague! :-/19:49
diddledan:-p19:49
neuro"We're sorry but you can't complete your order without entering your full postcode."19:49
neurobut i'm logged in19:49
shaunocareful, you'll start to sound like dan brown :p19:49
neurowhy don't you know my postcode?!19:49
diddledanshauno: I've got the right name19:50
shaunothere used to be a script to order dominos19:50
diddledanreally?19:50
diddledandominos API?!19:50
neurohehe19:50
neurowouldn't surprise me19:50
* diddledan needs19:50
neurona, scraper most likely19:50
diddledan./dominos -o something_hot -t NOW19:51
neuroi remember ordering online from them in 2000 when i was working in chelmsford19:51
neurocash only :)19:51
diddledanwho remembers sandra bullock's pizza ordering in "the net"?!19:52
neurohaha19:52
neurosome of the worst Movie OS examples are in that movie19:52
diddledanhell yeah19:52
neuronot quite as egregious as what you see in most Jerry Bruckheimer movies ...19:52
neurobut still ...19:53
shaunohm, perhaps I was wrong .. all I can find now are scripts that parse the tracker19:53
MartijnVdSwow.. that's 18 years old already19:53
diddledanI don't get why film makers insist on faking it19:53
MartijnVdSdiddledan: because it's flashier19:53
mungbeanthere's an odd/boring programme called 4 rooms on atm19:53
MartijnVdSmungbean: on where?19:53
mungbeanch419:54
shaunoif people realised that at nuclear subs use win2k, they're be worried19:54
shauno*our19:54
mungbeanseems to be so many programmes all about money and wheeler dealers19:54
MartijnVdSmungbean: isn't it the film? "Four Rooms"?19:54
shaunoI can't type anymore.  I almost always find real words, but they're not always the same ones my head had in mind19:54
diddledanthey actually created physical three-dimensional models for the ui in hackers because computer generated graphics weren't realistic enough19:54
MartijnVdSmungbean: with Madonna and Tarantino?19:54
MartijnVdShttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113101/19:54
neurothis will be good once they populate it more: http://www.noteloop.com/kit/fui/19:54
mungbeanno, its a programme19:55
diddledanshauno: are you sure it's 2000, and not NT3.51?19:55
shaunoit's 2k on the trident boats19:56
MartijnVdShttp://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20010111 + the next week of comics19:56
shaunothat was done during a refit :/19:56
diddledanhow progressive of them19:56
neuroand for your viewing pleasure ...19:57
neurohttp://www.oooii.com/wp-content/uploads/2003/06/OOOii_IJ_v10.png19:57
neuroNAME THAT FILM!19:57
mungbeanhttp://www.theverge.com/2013/7/23/4551114/wwi-submarine-graveyard-discovered-by-underwater-archaeologists19:57
MartijnVdSneuro: enemy of the state?19:57
neuronope19:58
diddledannope19:58
diddledanthat's a tough one19:58
neuroand no-one go using google image search :)19:58
neurono cheaty!19:58
diddledanthe italian job 2.019:58
neuro*ding*19:59
neurowinner19:59
diddledanwow19:59
diddledangood guess19:59
mungbeanther's a IJ2?19:59
neurothe reboot19:59
mungbeanugh hate hollywood19:59
diddledanmungbean: remake19:59
shaunoit wasn't called 2, but .. yeah19:59
neurowith marky mark and whats her face theron19:59
neuroand THE STATHAM19:59
shaunowith americans and germinis :(20:00
neurogerminis? :))))20:00
neurolike it20:00
shaunoalthough they did include one scene with an actual mini20:00
neuroaye, near the start20:00
neurowhen she's boosting about philly being a crazy driver20:00
neuroDOMINO'S REALTIME ORDER TRACKER ENGAGED!20:01
shaunoI was thinking about the safecracker showing up in a lil red one20:01
neuroyes20:01
neurothat's the same scene i was talking about20:01
diddledanlol @ that img - they've got a command "DWORD PTR"20:01
neuroi hate to admit it ... i actually liked the reboot20:01
neuroremake20:01
neurowhatever20:01
shaunoit wasn't terrible.  it just wasn't the italian job20:01
neurono20:01
neurotrue20:01
diddledanthe problem was.. america20:02
neuroif they took out the line "we'll do it like the italian job" and changed the minis for something else, it could have been called anything20:02
diddledanif america didn't exist it would have been fine20:02
diddledanno american actors, and it would have actually been in italy20:02
neuronot sure the original would have existed :)20:02
shaunoreminds me, my old mini's being entered in an event that's aimed at the new minis :D20:03
shaunohttp://www.minionthemack.com .. my mother's taking my 1974.  she's totally gonna confuse the yanks20:03
neuroi misread that url20:03
neuroi was like "who's Minion the Mack?"20:03
diddledantoo much pixar for you20:04
neurowut20:04
ali1234what do you mean "misread", that is what it says20:04
neurodiddledan: you know despicable me has nothing to do with pixar, right? :)20:05
mungbeanmy christmas tree died this week :(20:05
mungbeanforgot to water it20:05
diddledanreally? it's not a pixar?20:05
diddledandreamworks then?20:05
neuroyou're mocking me, aren't you?20:05
shaunoI just can't wait for the pics.  they're handing out antenna flags to the entrants.  my mini doesn't have an antenna.  or radio.  or .. anything it didn't need20:05
diddledanshauno: bricks for wheels?20:06
neurodiddledan: illumination entertainment20:06
shaunonah. it needs wheels :)20:06
neuropart of Universal20:06
diddledanI've not heard of them20:06
neurofounded by the guy who used to be in charge of Fox Animation20:06
diddledanshauno: reverse gear?20:07
ali1234any two bit movie studio can make a 3d animated film these days20:07
ali1234it's no longer difficult nor considered risky20:07
shaunodiddledan: if you can find it20:07
diddledannot any two bit studio can make a good one tho20:07
neuroyeah, that20:07
neurosame can be said of live action movies too now20:07
neuroanyone with a decent hd camcorder and final cut pro can make a movie20:08
diddledancan I? sweet20:08
ali1234well, making a good movie is more about having a good script20:08
neurocha ching20:08
ali1234which to be honest is more likely to happen when you don't have a massive studio lots of meddling execs20:08
diddledansharknado is totally one to look out for20:09
neuroi can't wait to see this though20:09
neurohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blue_Umbrella_(2013_film)20:09
diddledanthe strapline is "enough said"20:09
neuroit looks Stunning20:09
neuroas in stunning with a capital S20:09
diddledanpreview clip anyplace?20:11
neurohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVFNRrL79w020:12
diddledanyey, advert for sainsbury's20:12
neuroy u no adblock20:12
neurohttp://www.theverge.com/2013/6/24/4457542/saschka-unseld-pixar-photorealism-and-making-the-blue-umbrella20:12
neurooh, 1080p version of that clip in that verge article20:13
neuroand my pizza is on its way \o/20:13
neuroright troops, talk to you all later ;)20:14
mungbeanhttp://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/26/new-version-of-monopoly-that-addresses-dwindling-attention-spans-will-exclude-some-pretty-important-aspects-of-the-game/20:21
mungbeanis thisreal?20:21
mungbean"Parents and children tell us they want a quick in-and-out, frictionless gaming experience"20:22
mungbeanooer missis20:22
mungbeani wonder if there has ever been a death attributed to momnopoloyl20:25
diddledanprobably monopoly-related violence20:31
diddledanthat damned iron hurts!20:32
mungbeando you play full scale 1:1 version?20:32
mungbeandrive to mayfair..20:32
diddledanthat'ld be an awesome app20:32
mungbeansurprised top gear aint dunnit already20:33
mungbeanman, researching my lancaster 1:72 build taking ages, havent even got it out of packet yet20:35
mungbeanthis is epic music http://bips.channel4.com/programmes/the-returned/articles/all/listen-to-the-returned-soundtrack20:36
shauno:/  dominos have renamed my favourite meal-deal the 'all-american special'.  now I feel fat and I'm not sure I wanna order20:38
ali1234dominos is just horrible. why would you even go there20:39
diddledanI like herbies20:39
ali1234even the local kebab shop pizzas are less revolting20:39
shaunobecause I can order online, which is awesome20:39
mungbeani ate pizza hut yesterday and had a dodgy  gut today20:39
diddledanshauno: does ireland have herbies - you can order online from them and they're way better than dominos20:40
mungbeanpapajohns?20:40
shaunothey have a 'thing' here for giving all the new builds gaelic names.  which is great, but galway has a very high immigrant population (50% aren't from the county, 25% aren't from the country).20:40
diddledanyeah papajohns are good too20:40
shaunoso I end up trying to give a street address that I can't pronounce, to a bangladeshi who wouldn't understand it even if I did20:40
shaunowhich isn't to fault them any more than it faults me.  gaelic results in some crazy streetnames20:41
shaunothe last place I lived, I couldn't even spell after 3 years, let alone pronounce20:41
diddledanshauno: try my surname :-p20:42
diddledanmind you, my surname is quite sane compared to irish20:42
shaunoeh, I've had that one figured out ever since that flamboyant interior designer showed up on TV20:42
shaunoI Think there was even one in harry potter.  it's not actually an uncommon name.  it's just rather welsh20:43
diddledanwelsh is awesome20:43
shaunoI won't go there :)20:44
diddledantoo many sheep?20:44
shaunoI'm still scarred from living on the wrong side of the hill, and only being able to receive s4c20:44
shaunowhen all of school was talking about Friends, and mine was dubbed in nonsense20:45
diddledanlol20:45
diddledanpobol y cwm is where's it's at now20:45
diddledanlass from torchwood is in that20:46
diddledanshe's hawt in a welsh sort of way20:46
shaunodominos have forgotten my address :(20:46
diddledan\o/20:46
diddledanthat's impressive20:46
shaunoit's not.  now I have to go outside and find out what it is :(20:46
diddledanlol20:47
diddledanyou'll get acosted by a garda and have to admit that you have no idea where you live. they might plop you in an asylum for that20:48
shaunoseriously, I hate these things that try to match you against the post office db20:50
shaunoif I spell it with an 'a' it thinks I'm in leitrim, if I spell it with an á it thinks I'm dublin.  I'm neither20:50
diddledanyou got the wrong á20:51
shaunodon't even20:51
diddledanand I just had to go on a hunting mission for that one20:51
diddledanaparently it's alt_gr+;, a20:52
shaunoanother reason I <3 my weirdo keyboard layout20:52
shaunoI need things like č far too often.  I need some sensible deadkeys20:52
diddledanwhat layout do you use?20:52
diddledanif you say dvorak I might have to punch you20:53
shaunoapple's "international english", which is basically US english on an iso (vs ansi) layout.  but with a fantastic selection of deadkeys hiding behind Alt20:54
diddledanaah20:54
diddledanyeah apple's british english is seriously limited in terms of deadkeys20:54
shaunosince I need to type slovak quite often, and romanian less often but still too often, they're handy20:55
shaunosome odd characters like ţ are nary to be seen on a UK layout20:55
diddledan20:55
diddledannope20:56
shaunobut like this, cedilla (like the c in français) is a deadkey20:56
diddledanhmm.. how does one do that on ubuntu?20:56
diddledan(I'm using ubuntu's mac layout)20:56
shaunohonestly, that's one of the big reasons I don't use it on the desktop.  after 3 days of trying to smash my face against xkbd I gave up20:56
diddledanwhich isn't the same as real mac layout20:56
diddledanţ20:57
diddledanalt_gr+=, t for that20:57
shaunobut where do you put thorns then?20:58
diddledanall the european addons to letters must be on the symbol keys near the enter key20:58
shaunoah, I missed the comma20:58
diddledanthe comma was a separator20:58
shaunoI thought you meant alt+t, which is þ on mine20:59
diddledanto indicate that alt_gr+= is separate from t20:59
shaunobut this is why I like apple's take on it.  they're not just all crammed in there.  there's actually some logic20:59
diddledanalt+t = ŧ20:59
shaunocedilla is alt+c.  so for ç, it's alt+c, c.  for ţ, it's alt+c, t.20:59
diddledanyeah, I like that from apple21:00
shaunofor čžš, it's alt+v.  again, the same shape as the diacritic21:00
diddledanthe accents make sense21:00
shaunoI'm not very good at foreignese.  I need all the help I can get21:00
diddledanalt+e for ´21:00
diddledanalt+u for ¨21:01
diddledanapple's way makes so much more sense21:01
shaunoalt+u is an odd one.  on one hand it makes sense because we've all seen it on ü.  on the other hand, I only ever need it on ö for slovak21:01
diddledanI like that they give you a hint as to what diacritic you've selected before you put the letter with it21:02
shaunoeither way, trying to re-learn them bites.  and trying to rename them bites moar.21:03
shaunothe best way I can explain it is trying to use an azerty keyboard.  they're all there.  and you can find them easy enough.  but you can't remap your muscle-memory.  typing is measured in expletives-per-minute21:07
diddledanI wonder if I won the eurolottery21:07
HoT|2fC^Do you guys know if I can copy files from my doom3 disks ? to /usr/local/games/doom3 ?21:08
HoT|2fC^there cdrom and I want to install it over SSH21:08
HoT|2fC^I have the disks an can put them in the server 1-by-1 so I can ssh it maybe  and copy over files I need to /usr/local/games/doom3/base/21:09
HoT|2fC^but via Terminal :) thans.21:09
diddledano_O21:10
shaunoeasy answer is yes, but I've no idea where doom3 expects to find them21:10
shaunoscp is the tool you're looking for though.  something like scp *wad hostname:/where/you/want/them21:11
HoT|2fC^So when my doom 3 disc is in the rom cant I just copy over files I need to dir's ?21:11
HoT|2fC^ah nice ok :)21:11
HoT|2fC^can I upload them via windows ?21:11
shauno(or more likely, just scp *wad hostname:   they'll land in your home folder, since you'll probably want sudo to move them into somewhere else)21:12
diddledannice.. drwho 50th is going to be worldwide simulcast21:12
shaunothere does exist winscp, but I'm less familiar with it.  the same logic, I can't spoonfeed the UI though21:12
shaunoit does what it says on the can, I just don't know where the buttons are :)21:12
HoT|2fC^ah ok shauno21:12
shauno(not trying to be funny; I know it works because I've told customers to use it.  but I've never used it myself)21:14
diddledantypical, I had to phone for my pizza because of a "technical incident"21:33
diddledanI'm thinking the cleaner plugged the vacuum into the ups feed21:33
diddledanshauno: how much do you hate vacuum cleaners in datacentres?! :-p21:34
shaunohah, actually, our biggest problem with that is an american "big box store"21:35
shaunothey have one unit in each store, but something like 7,000 stores21:35
shaunoand obviously retail staff, not tech staff21:36
shaunoso that's always our first step with them.  go check all the orange outlets, then visit the front panel and tell me what it says21:37
diddledanit invariably says "overload", right? :-p21:38
shaunoheh, yeah.  bypass :/21:38
diddledanor "you knackered my batteries"21:38
shauno(that shouldn't cause issues, just feed the load utility input.  but if you just get a call for "it's beeping", that's what they've done)21:39
shaunoand it's not the vacuum.  it's that big whirly gizmo they use to buff the floors21:39
diddledanI've got my own ups now - an APC smart-ups 75021:39
shauno(except for one time, where it was actually a deer.  I have a video of that somewhere)21:39
diddledanthose whirly things are evil21:39
diddledana deer?!21:40
diddledanlmao21:40
shaunoyes.  a deer.  entered the store, ran around like it lost its mind, and then faceplanted a 20k UPS21:40
diddledaneejit21:40
shaunoit actually wrote off the frame, and carried on running21:40
shauno(the deer running, not the UPS)21:40
diddledanthey're pretty strong creatures21:40
shaunothe UPS was actually fine though.  it just needed a new chassis.  which is a baddie, since the backplane isn't a module, it's part of the frame21:41
shaunoI'm actually suprised how well the big ones do.  I came across one in new orleans, with a note against it to say it was banned from all service agreements and warranty repairs.  because it'd been completely submerged during katrina21:42
diddledanstill working?21:43
shaunothey're still using it, we just can't honour a warranty on that21:43
diddledanlmao21:43
diddledanimpressive21:43
shaunopoor dominos guy.  "I'm at number 3.  where's number 2?"  welcome to Ireland, man21:45
diddledanouch21:46
diddledanpoor guy21:46
diddledanso.. where _is_ number 2 compared to 3?21:46
shaunoI hated that on my last street.  there was four different number 5's21:46
diddledanwtf21:46
shaunoit's a little culdesac off the main road21:46
shauno2 is actually on the main road :)21:46
diddledanthat makes as much sense as sharknado21:47
shaunothe last place, they had a thing for knocking down houses that had big gardens, and seeing how many more houses they could fit in the garden21:47
shaunoso you'd have # (name of development), name of street21:47
diddledan*ding* twice in one day, totally scored on the irrelevant reference count!21:47
shaunoso we had 5, name of street.  5, suncourt, name of street.  5 aisling court, name of street, and one or two more21:48
diddledanthat's nucking futs21:48
diddledanthough it's the kind of thing that britain is doing now, too21:49
shaunoit wouldn't be so bad, but their system that tries to match us against an post's db likes to junk 'spare' words21:49
shaunoso "5 suncourt, name of street" would be labelled on the box as "5, name of street".  and then the poor chap has to phone me21:49
diddledantech. who'd trust it21:49
shaunothis is why we need postcodes21:50
shauno(last I heard, they're planned for 2017)21:50
diddledany'all don't have postcodes?21:50
shaunodublin has postcodes21:50
diddledanthere's a lot of ireland that isn't dublin21:50
shaunoindeed21:50
shaunoon that one, my pet peeve.  ryanair's website demands a postcode.  an irish company.  demands a postcode.21:51
diddledanlmao21:51
diddledanhtf did they manage to duck that one up?!21:52
shaunoryanair is like murphy's law - with wings21:52
diddledanhttp://i2.wp.com/www.geeksaresexy.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/chair.jpg?resize=600%2C85721:52
diddledanrandom meme21:52
diddledanthere's a reason murphy's law was named after an irishman, I guess :-)21:53
shaunoreminds me of my roomba getting stuck under my rack :/21:53
shaunooh, and on the UPS topic since you went there.  I no longer do tech support \o/21:54
diddledanoooh21:56
shaunothere was some fantastic catty infighting when someone told the US that if they wanted us to keep covering their weekends, they needed to be introduced to our budget.  but the end result, I support network integration for project managers & field techs, but no more end-user support for north america21:56
shaunowhich is just amazing.  end-user support needs a special breed.  and I ain't it21:58
shaunoI have various short-circuits between my brain and my mouth.  I once told a customer "don't worry, I'm sure your mother still loves you"21:59
diddledanheh, I'll bet they loved that one22:00
popeymoo22:00
AlanBello/ popey22:00
diddledanallo popey22:00
AlanBelledge thing is going rather well still isn't it22:01
shaunoI had a customer big-red-button.  I was trying to explain to him that it had only affected that room, we showed 19 out of 20 green.   my mouth picked up the ball and just ... ran with it22:01
popeyAlanBell: yeah, enjoying having the indicator on my desktop22:05
diddledanI wonder what the official response will be if it fails to reach 32m22:09
shaunothe page says they'll concentrate on other handsets if it doesn't get there.  so I imagine just that, padded out with some "we had to try" stuff22:10
AlanBelldiddledan: I imagine they will talk a lot about all the crowdfunding records that were broken (especially if it tops out over $11M which looks reasonably likely)22:12
HoT|2fC^mmm when I use WinSCP, and connect ok... and when I find the dir's I want to copy files to I get this message, "scp: /usr/local/games/doom3/base/pak000.pk4: Permission denied"22:13
AlanBelland they will have plausibly good data on what price the market will bear for a high end configuration ($600 seems popular, $700 is a bit of a struggle)22:13
AlanBelland hopefully they will be compiling a list of categories of people who were unable to take part in that sales method22:14
shaunoHoT|2fC^: most likely you'll want to copy them to your home folder, and then ssh in and move them to the right place22:14
HoT|2fC^shauno, ouch sounds painful :o22:14
shaunoHoT|2fC^: chances are your normal user doesn't have write-access to /usr/local, so you'll need an intermediary step so you can use sudo mv later22:14
popey\o/ boarding22:15
popeydiddledan: official response is we don't make the device22:15
AlanBellhave a good flight22:15
HoT|2fC^popey, have a gooden popes!22:15
HoT|2fC^shauno, ah ok I see now :) I am copying to /home/doom3/ now :)22:16
HoT|2fC^so how do I get write-access to /usr/local?22:16
AlanBellI expect it will be quite encouraging stuff for someone else to repurpose a device if it doesn't quite get there22:17
diddledanlong answer is you don't, short answer is sudo - ironically the long answer is the one you should be listening to22:17
ali1234for <40k sales?22:18
diddledanaparently it's sysadmin day?22:18
ali1234the lumia line has sold several million and it is still considered a failure22:19
AlanBellthere are oodles of android handsets out there, with varying sales volumes22:19
ali1234i doubt there are any with such low volume22:20
shaunoit wouldn't be crazy for someone to pick it up as a differentiator though22:21
ali1234in fact this is probably the first time someone has attempted to sell such a small number of devices22:21
ali1234mobiles anyway22:21
AlanBellwell if you are aiming to sell a small number of devices, indiegogo is the way I would do that to limit the market as much as possible!22:22
ali1234yeah. the trouble is it won't "prove" anything22:22
shaunoespecially in the android market where the middle-ground is awefully same-ish.  if it gives someone a tick-box they can hit that no-one else does, they might tick it just to have something new to claim22:22
ali1234what does it really do that nobody else does, except for the built in desktop stuff, which has already been proven to be something most consumers don't want?22:23
AlanBellif someone has an android board developed, that they can pump out there as a PR thing to gain some coverage, perhaps in the angular case, perhaps in whatever it is in, they might do it22:23
shaunowell they could run with ubuntu out of the box.  that'd be something you can't already buy on the highstreet22:25
AlanBellnow this http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/phones/8-peak.html tempts me22:25
ali1234"it runs ubuntu!" isn't a feature that many people care about22:26
ali1234what does this ubuntu thing allow me to do?22:26
diddledanwhich is a shame22:26
shaunoI'm not sure it has to be.  most people don't care about fingerprint readers.  it still gets bolted on there so they can add another bullet point22:27
diddledanI don't get the mozilla concept at all22:27
diddledanit's a browser, and that's all it is. apple tried that and failed22:28
diddledanI'm not sure the world has moved on from that point very far yet22:28
ali1234oh it has, massively22:28
shaunochrome tried it and are still building on it22:28
diddledaneveryone's about "what apps can I install"22:28
AlanBellwith the mozilla thing, HTML 5 apps are native. There is no QML/Dalvik/C#/objective C stuff22:29
ali1234that's why sailfish will have android compat22:29
ali1234HTML5 can never be native22:29
HoT|2fC^Now I have copied files to my /home//dir/xx22:29
ali1234until someone finds a way to compile it to machine code22:29
HoT|2fC^how do I move them via ssh? to /usr/local/games/doom322:30
diddledanali1234: that's my point22:30
diddledanali1234: I meant the world hasn't moved on from the "browser doesn't work" point22:30
ali1234and QML isn't really that different to HTML5 either. they just have a different set of widgets that you can use22:30
AlanBellHoT|2fC^: if it is a single user computer you could chown that directory to yourself if you want to write to it a lot22:30
AlanBellali1234: yeah, but I can't serve that up from a server22:31
ali1234actually you can22:31
ali1234there is even a wrapper that will serve QML apps to any HTML5 browser22:31
ali1234there's one of those for Gtk too actually22:31
AlanBellinteresting22:31
ali1234and horrifying22:32
diddledanso qml is the new "what mozilla did"22:32
diddledanI can't think what they called the mozilla thing22:32
AlanBellthe return of XUL22:32
ali1234everything has so many layers of abstraction that there is almost no differentiation any more22:32
diddledanxul22:32
diddledanyeah22:32
diddledan that's it22:32
* AlanBell has a big fat book about xul22:32
shaunothat's pretty much it, no?  if firefox is the OS, then a firefox addon is native?22:32
ali1234you can't even put a window on the screen without invoking 3 layers of runtime translation22:32
ali1234firefox addons are written in javascript22:33
diddledanshauno: not quite, becuase the firefox addon is written in js22:33
ali1234a plugin would be native though22:33
diddledanshauno: js doesn't compile down to native code22:33
diddledanI don't believe the firefox os does plugins tho?22:34
ali1234probably not22:34
diddledanlol @ http://shop.geeksphone.com/en/4-accessories22:35
diddledan"wonderful accessories for your device"... "there are no products in this category"22:36
AlanBellyup, it is early stuff, that is kind of a dev phone outlet22:36
HoT|2fC^im to confused :(22:36
HoT|2fC^I have files in /home/username/doom3/ and want to copy all 5 files to /usr/local/games/doom3/22:37
HoT|2fC^How can I do this? with commands I tried and it says no permission22:37
* AlanBell is very tempted, they even appear to know the tax status of what they are selling which is more than Ubuntu/Indiegogo do22:37
diddledanAlanBell: lol22:37
diddledanwhat kind of schedule are geeksphone running for the peak+?22:38
AlanBellHoT|2fC^: you don't have permission. You need to use sudo to do the copy, or use sudo to change the owner22:38
AlanBelldiddledan: they sold out of the peak, peak+ is September22:38
HoT|2fC^I did sudo and nothing happens I just get _ blink22:38
HoT|2fC^How do I change the owner using sudo?22:38
AlanBellwhat is your username HoT|2fC^?22:39
diddledanit's actually pretty well specced for such a cheap phoen22:39
ali1234geeksphone is so unlikely to succeed it's not even worth making snarky comments about it22:39
HoT|2fC^AlanBell, username22:39
* AlanBell guesses it is "martin"22:39
diddledansnapdragon s4 1.2GHz*2 is impressive at that price22:39
HoT|2fC^AlanBell, yeah :o22:39
AlanBellso sudo chown -R martin: /usr/local/games/doom322:40
AlanBellthat will change the owner (and group) of that folder and everything below it to yourself22:40
ali1234the only two you should consider buying are sailfish (because it's made by people who know what they are doing) and ubuphone (because they have the sheer bloody-mindedness to carry on no matter what)22:40
diddledanI don't know sailfish22:41
AlanBellthat means it will have the same permissions as your home directory has, it is yours to play with22:41
HoT|2fC^thanks AlanBell :)22:41
AlanBellgeeksphone is not that much more than an official development phone for firefoxOS22:42
ali1234yeah... you shouldn't really consider firefoxOS...22:42
ali1234HTML has been a bloated, slow, poorly designed collection of hacks and workarounds since it was invented22:44
AlanBelltrue22:44
ali1234and everything thy bolt on just makes it worse22:44
AlanBelltrueish22:45
diddledanhow many names has sailfish gone through to get to sailfish?!22:45
diddledanmaemo, moblin, meego22:45
diddledanand now sailfish22:45
ali1234maemo and moblin were two totally different thing which merged to become meego22:46
ali1234meego then became tizen22:46
diddledanforgot about tizen22:46
ali1234sailfish uses mer which is a fork of meego22:46
ali1234well, basically meego split into the community (mer) and the linux foundation (tizen)22:47
ali1234and then nokia left entirely and fired all their staff who formed sailfish22:47
AlanBellso that is 6 names that nobody outside the industry has ever heard of22:47
ali1234yeah22:47
ali1234but since nobody has heard of them it doesn't matter if there is 1 or 10022:48
diddledanI don't get the difference between mer and nemo22:49
AlanBellso, can I buy a handset with sailfish?22:49
AlanBelloh, and jolla, that is 7 names nobody has heard of22:49
diddledanAlanBell: then there's plasma active (kde?) and cordia and seadot22:51
diddledanin addition to nemo and mer22:51
diddledanand sailfish22:51
AlanBellwow22:51
ali1234no22:51
ali1234all of those run on top of mer22:51
ali1234jolla is the name of the company that makes sailfish22:52
diddledansee, it doesn't even make sense to us technophiles22:52
HoT|2fC^wow my first dedicated server now up and running on Doom3 !! first ever Enterprise one tho, it's always been on my PC :D22:52
HoT|2fC^Awesome guys, thanks a bunch.22:52
AlanBellhuh, UK based in part, at least the mer thing has UK contact details22:52
diddledandoom 3 running on a server?!22:52
* HoT|2fC^ off to play some Doom22:52
diddledanwhy?22:52
ali1234mer has uk contact details? that's news to me22:52
HoT|2fC^diddledan, Thats my hole point in doing this server \o/22:53
HoT|2fC^To host games.22:53
ali1234anyway the mer lead developer works for jolla now22:53
AlanBellhttp://www.merproject.org/about.html22:53
ali1234ah yeah lbt is a brit22:53
diddledanthat's brave, listing a mobile phone number is asking for an aussie to phone at midday22:54
ali1234anyway, sailfish is like unity, mer is like ubuntu, cordia, nemo, seadot are like Xubuntu, Kubuntu etc22:55
AlanBellaussies are surfing at midday22:55
diddledangood point22:55
diddledanmaybe when they get off their high boards22:56
diddledanor should that be get off their high white horses22:56
ali1234oh and the other thing of course is that libhybris, which enables ubuntu-touch at all, was developed originally by the mer project22:59
ali1234i think firefoxOS uses it too22:59
HoT|2fC^mmm dunno if anyone knows why when I close PuTTY it closes my doom 3 game server?23:03
AlanBellheh, because your ssh connection is the parent process23:03
AlanBelleasy way is to use byobu, that gives you a persistent shell23:03
AlanBellso log in as normal, type byobu23:04
AlanBellthen run your server, you can then break the connection, log in again, type byobu and it will reconnect you to the window you were on, with your server still running23:04
HoT|2fC^on windows? :o23:05
HoT|2fC^I do this in SSH AlanBell23:05
AlanBellyeah, byobu runs on the server side23:05
diddledanI'm still unclear as to what "game server" is referring in this case23:05
AlanBelldiddledan: it is a central process that tracks the xy coordinates of each player23:05
AlanBelland serves out the map to the game clients23:06
diddledanAlanBell: yes, usually you'd be right, but I'm thinking not in this instance23:06
diddledanmostly because the cd/dvd has been copied to /usr/local/games/doom323:07
AlanBellisn't that just copying the map there? presume that has to be on the server23:07
diddledanmaybe23:07
HoT|2fC^mmm23:07
diddledanas I say, I'm unclear23:07
AlanBellor do all the clients have the map and the server just bounces coordinates of players and bullets?23:07
HoT|2fC^Thats why its saved yes to /usr/local/games/doom323:07
AlanBell!byobu23:07
HoT|2fC^lol !byobu23:08
AlanBellwake up bot23:08
diddledanwhat does byobu actually stand for, if anything?23:08
AlanBell!screen23:08
lubotu3screen is a window manager for terminal sessions, also useful over SSH. The 'byobu' package provides very useful additional utilities. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Screen23:08
AlanBelldiddledan: it is a japanese room divider23:08
diddledanbring your own blinking updates23:08
AlanBellor a screen :)23:08
diddledanaah23:08
AlanBellhttp://int.kateigaho.com/mar04/images/antique-byobu.jpg23:09
diddledannice!23:10
diddledanI'm failing to find the scrollback keys for a byobu sub-window23:12
AlanBellpage up/down23:13
HoT|2fC^damn I get nothing but colors now when I type byobu23:13
HoT|2fC^:o23:13
AlanBelloh, sorry, that is for irssi in byobu23:13
AlanBellF7 gets you to scrollback mode23:13
diddledanaha, thankyou23:13
AlanBellHoT|2fC^: you should get some colourful numbers and stuff in the bottom right23:13
diddledanwow, it saves a TON of scrollback23:14
HoT|2fC^yeah I do AlanBell23:14
AlanBellok, and you have a $ prompt as well23:14
HoT|2fC^But hows this going to keep my server on? if I shutdown my PC now it closes PuTTY and my server then goes down...23:14
HoT|2fC^I want it on 24/723:14
AlanBelltype something at that $ prompt23:14
AlanBelllike "hello I am here"23:14
AlanBellthen close putty23:14
AlanBellthen open putty and log on again23:14
AlanBelland type byobu23:15
AlanBellyou should see the text you typed before23:15
AlanBelloh, I appear to be in a timezone where it is 01:16, I should go to sleep.23:16
AlanBellnight all o/23:16
diddledanok, so I'm running byobu locally - have been since yesterday when I discovered it. I'm wondering what would happen if I wanted to run byobu on a remote system too23:16
diddledannn AlanBell23:16
diddledanI guess you're in mainland europe23:17
HoT|2fC^nn mate thanks for help!23:17
HoT|2fC^so will this stop my dedicated game server from shutting down ??23:17
ali1234it will only stop it shutting down when you log out23:18
ali1234it won't automatically restart it if it crashes so it is probably not what you want23:18
ali1234what you want instead is an upstart script23:18
ali1234that is rather complicated though23:18
HoT|2fC^yeah I know :(23:22
HoT|2fC^I dont get how when its loaded an I close puTTY it shuts the server down :(23:22
HoT|2fC^must be away of keeping it on while I turn off SSH23:22
ali1234yeah23:23
ali1234there is23:23
ali1234alanbell told you it23:23
ali1234but this is not a good way to run a server23:23
HoT|2fC^I see23:23
HoT|2fC^using this byobu?23:23
ali1234yes23:23
HoT|2fC^so id open another puTTY? login then type byobu23:24
HoT|2fC^an leave that open ?23:24
ali1234no, you can close it23:24
HoT|2fC^so what about the console of the game server?23:24
ali1234it will be inside byobu23:24
ali1234when you run it again you will see it23:25
HoT|2fC^ok23:25
HoT|2fC^so if I run byobu, close the server puTTY console down > log out...23:25
HoT|2fC^it will be on still? then I just close byobu an its still up an not disconnecing my players?23:25
diddledanhas anybody tried googling "scotland's national animal" lately?23:28
diddledanapparently it's a unicorn23:28
diddledanyou'd expect it to be a deer, or a haggis23:28
shaunoyou can't take photos of haggis.  it's against the rules23:36
ali1234wow, i just learned that a jackalope is not a real animal :S23:37
diddledanyou mean the J series was illegal?!23:43
diddledanthe rules stipulate that only real but obscure animals be used23:43
* HoT|2fC^ is so confused on how to keep a processe up and running once closing SSH (PuTTY)23:50
ali1234it's perfectly natural23:52
AzelphurHoT|2fC^: it's pretty easy, you need to use screen23:57
Azelphurever heard of it?23:57
Azelphur(well, you don't /need/ to use screen, there are other ways, this is one of many)23:57
diddledanAzelphur: he's been advised byobu23:57
Azelphuroh23:57
ali1234Azelphur: you don't run your server in screen do you? please tell me you don't...23:58
AzelphurI haven't ever used byobu in all honesty, I've always been a screen person23:58
Azelphurali1234: srcds? yes why not?23:58
Azelphurthat's what 99.9% of the planet does23:58
ali1234:(23:58
Azelphurhow would you do it?23:58
ali1234i would write an upstart script23:58
Azelphurali1234: how would you replace screen -X stuff?23:58
ali1234it would log to a file23:59
Azelphurthat ... doesn't replace screen -X stuff23:59
ali1234what does screen -X do again?23:59
Azelphurscreen -X stuff (stuff is actually the command) it "stuffs" stuff into stdin23:59
Azelphurso I can send commands to the server23:59
ali1234those things have an interactive command line?23:59
Azelphuryup23:59

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