| * ochosi is wondering whether shipping whiskermenu by default instead of our current appmenu wouldn't be a nice move... | 00:53 | |
| ochosi | (i've used it for a while and it's really quite nice so far) | 00:54 |
|---|---|---|
| GridCube | :) that would be interesting indeed | 00:55 |
| ochosi | ppa:gottcode/gcppa for testing | 00:55 |
| GridCube | P: thing is, i hardly use the app menu anyway, i have all the apps i want in launchers or i use alt-f2 | 01:07 |
| GridCube | i like how you can resize it, but i dont like how the menus open to the left | 01:10 |
| Unit193 | Silly Alt+F2, trying to be appfinder. :/ (I know, it technically is.) | 01:12 |
| knome | heh | 01:12 |
| micahg | ochosi: FWIW, I'm finishing up gtk-theme-config now | 01:49 |
| knome | micahg, nice :) | 01:49 |
| micahg | knome: think there's any issue with me having Debian bug mail go to xubuntu-devel? | 01:49 |
| knome | all of it? :P | 01:50 |
| micahg | or should I create a team for Xubuntu Debian package maintenance | 01:50 |
| micahg | no, just packages that we own outside of pkg-xfce | 01:50 |
| knome | umm. | 01:50 |
| micahg | mr_pouit: ^^ your thoughts when you have a chance | 01:51 |
| knome | https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs | 01:51 |
| micahg | no, that's a nightmare :) | 01:51 |
| micahg | I want a list that people will read | 01:52 |
| knome | well bleh | 01:52 |
| knome | i don't want bugmail on -devel because we're not doing any of it now either | 01:52 |
| micahg | I can make a new team (I should really do this on alioth, but I'm being lazy) | 01:53 |
| micahg | meh | 01:53 |
| * micahg makes a new team on alioth | 01:53 | |
| knome | :) | 01:53 |
| micahg | well, hrm | 01:53 |
| Unit193 | http://0bin.net/paste/B+NQN6UuUSgnkQLC#NkEzFphEYU7FydoWEH+60d7OhqgyuQRUh2VT8zdG1k4= was most of what I did... :/ | 01:53 |
| knome | hrm what? | 01:53 |
| micahg | Unit193: turns out I just needed to drop the install file | 01:54 |
| micahg | Unit193: I'll grab your description, please feel free to commit | 01:54 |
| Unit193 | micahg: Yeah, I commented that out, the images didn't exist and it didn't need it. | 01:54 |
| micahg | (or I can) | 01:54 |
| Unit193 | Sure, feel free (I don't need any credit.) | 01:54 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/pHdhxgcFk3RAtPPxY29x full bzr diff, so not much. | 01:55 |
| micahg | oh, is there a 1.0 now? | 01:55 |
| Unit193 | Yeah. | 01:55 |
| * micahg updates | 01:55 | |
| Unit193 | I didn't really know what to do with the hardening warning. | 01:56 |
| micahg | I'll take a look | 02:01 |
| micahg | Unit193: I see no such warning, do you have a paste? | 02:08 |
| Unit193 | I can if I re-branch and download the tarball. | 02:10 |
| micahg | Unit193: rebranch, uscan | 02:11 |
| Unit193 | That'll do. | 02:15 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/rjREttOYKvgjzcqLl6PX | 02:24 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/2xZdZTd05AEWiI6rYxQL if you want -i | 02:24 |
| Unit193 | Lintian v2.5.11ubuntu13 | 02:25 |
| micahg | Unit193: thanks, can I fix and you'll try again? | 02:26 |
| Unit193 | Sure. | 02:26 |
| * micahg really should get on saucy | 02:30 | |
| * Unit193 is on Raring. | 02:30 | |
| knome | i'm at home | 02:30 |
| knome | (i literally lol'ed at that joke of my own) | 02:31 |
| knome | (but it's 5:30am) | 02:31 |
| Unit193 | Noooo, should have said "I'm on my bed" | 02:32 |
| micahg | Unit193: pushed | 02:32 |
| micahg | hrm, I think I need one more thing | 02:33 |
| Unit193 | Don't remember what I tried, but did a couple... | 02:34 |
| knome | Unit193, you tried a couple? | 02:35 |
| knome | okay, we're losing the control here. | 02:35 |
| Unit193 | knome: Less beer! ;P | 02:35 |
| knome | no beer today | 02:35 |
| Unit193 | Teddy bear? | 02:36 |
| knome | no teddy's either | 02:36 |
| micahg | Unit193: ok, that should do it | 02:38 |
| Unit193 | Running. | 02:39 |
| Unit193 | W: gtk-theme-config: hardening-no-fortify-functions usr/bin/gtk-theme-config | 02:47 |
| Unit193 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/lI7HBiV2j5JqNyKV8iFo | 02:49 |
| Unit193 | My guess was how the Makefile was written, but that's me... | 02:50 |
| * micahg tries again with compat level 9 | 02:56 | |
| Unit193 | (Worth a shot, but I think I did that one...) | 02:56 |
| micahg | I see the flags not being passed in vala | 03:01 |
| micahg | oh! | 03:07 |
| micahg | Unit193: I think you're right | 03:07 |
| Unit193 | Wooo! I may not be as stupid as I look! | 03:07 |
| knome | :P | 03:08 |
| micahg | valac -X -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -X -g -X -O2 -X -fPIE -X -fstack-protector -X --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -X -Wformat -X -Werror=format-security -X -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -X -fPIE -X -pie -X -Wl,-z,relro -X -Wl,-z,now --pkg gtk+-3.0 -X -lm gtk-theme-config.vala -o gtk-theme-config | 03:40 |
| micahg | \o/ | 03:40 |
| Unit193 | Wooo! Something to push to satya164? :P | 03:41 |
| micahg | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5913491/ better at least | 03:41 |
| micahg | yeah | 03:42 |
| Unit193 | Indeed. | 03:42 |
| Unit193 | Figured I'd better leave it to you... | 03:42 |
| * micahg has to dig up his github credentials now...maybe later | 03:43 | |
| Unit193 | Heh, better than my method. :P | 03:44 |
| micahg | Unit193: rev 16 pushed | 03:44 |
| Unit193 | And now just the two. \o/ | 03:54 |
| micahg | excellent, after I've fwd the patch upstream I'll push to mentors | 03:54 |
| Unit193 | (Tried on amd64 with precise lintian too. :P ) | 03:55 |
| micahg | ochosi: ^^ progress :) | 03:55 |
| Unit193 | Ping a few more times for fun! :P | 03:56 |
| micahg | hrm, /me adds --as-needed for Debian | 03:57 |
| ochosi | micahg: awesome stuff! | 07:21 |
| Noskcaj | When are the login screen theme glitches expected to be fixed? | 07:44 |
| knome | Noskcaj, when there's the next upload for themes | 08:02 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 08:02 |
| Noskcaj | knome, FYI the installer theme shouldn't have a maximise button. bug 1177116 | 08:44 |
| ubottu | bug 1177116 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "maximise button does nothing in Ubiquity" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177116 | 08:44 |
| knome | sounds like it's a problem of xfwm, not theming | 08:46 |
| knome | ochosi, ^ | 08:46 |
| Noskcaj | ok. I'll just check what happens in live session (i really should have done that sooner) | 08:47 |
| Noskcaj | The plus button exists but doesn't work in live session | 08:51 |
| knome | okay. | 08:57 |
| === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 | ||
| knome | bleh. | 12:28 |
| knome | i need a pen and paper | 12:28 |
| elfy | oh dear | 12:29 |
| knome | huh, there are like 5 tests that had id's but not in the tracker | 12:32 |
| elfy | which ones | 12:33 |
| knome | dict, mime, power manager, task manager, window manager, app finder | 12:33 |
| knome | did you find out which one of the panel tests were the correct one? | 12:34 |
| elfy | window manager was one of mine - I know for fact I didn't give it a number | 12:34 |
| knome | common sense says bigger number, but... | 12:34 |
| elfy | knome: they both appear to be ok - one is more detailed than the other | 12:34 |
| elfy | 1573 being more detailed | 12:35 |
| elfy | app finder was one of mine too, balloons merged those I'm sure - had some issues because tracker or something didn't like _ - I'd guess he was numbering them | 12:36 |
| knome | ok | 12:38 |
| elfy | knome: I would go with 1573 panel testcase | 12:41 |
| knome | just did that | 12:42 |
| elfy | k | 12:42 |
| elfy | if you're moving stuff about - I'll not merge this gthumb one till you've finished | 12:42 |
| knome | i am | 12:43 |
| elfy | sorry - my english - I meant "as you're " | 12:44 |
| knome | heh | 12:44 |
| elfy | never trust an English man's english :p | 12:44 |
| knome | ok, that should be good now | 12:45 |
| knome | argh | 12:45 |
| knome | wait | 12:45 |
| knome | ok. done | 12:45 |
| knome | question: | 12:49 |
| knome | do we want to modify the exo-helper test to make sure exo-helper works, or modify it to be about xubuntu keyboard shortcuts? | 12:49 |
| elfy | 2 secs | 12:51 |
| knome | one... | 12:51 |
| knome | two... | 12:51 |
| knome | so? | 12:51 |
| elfy | I did that one from what I knew - mostly followed where the bug pointed I think | 12:52 |
| knome | want me to explain what's wrong with it? | 12:52 |
| elfy | mmmm | 12:52 |
| elfy | wonder how I managed to do that then | 12:53 |
| knome | i mean, the point is | 12:53 |
| elfy | I see what's up with it | 12:53 |
| knome | exo-helper is a wrapper that detects the preferred application, say for a browser | 12:53 |
| elfy | yea | 12:53 |
| knome | so if there's a shortcut that points to mousepad... that's not anything to do with exo-helper | 12:53 |
| elfy | yea I know - don't know why I did it lol | 12:54 |
| knome | well otoh it kind of makes sense to test all the shortcuts | 12:54 |
| elfy | modify it to be about xubuntu keyboard shortcuts - I can do the exo-helper one again | 12:55 |
| knome | well i'm wondering if we want both | 12:55 |
| knome | i'd be pretty happy with the exo one in packages. and a brief mention about shortcuts working generally in the ISO post-installation test | 12:56 |
| elfy | ok | 12:56 |
| elfy | I'm easy enough to please - I'd happily do another testcase if we thought it necessary | 12:56 |
| knome | BOO | 12:57 |
| knome | there's no way to get to edit a testcase text from the testsuite view | 12:57 |
| knome | you have to go pick the testcases from the testsuite from the testcases view | 12:57 |
| elfy | talking about changing the title? | 12:58 |
| knome | no, i'm cleaning up the markup for the xfce tests | 12:58 |
| knome | but the title too. | 12:59 |
| elfy | oh right | 12:59 |
| elfy | am I ok to merge this gthumb one now? | 12:59 |
| knome | go ahead, i'll fix things if there are conflicts | 13:00 |
| elfy | ok - all done | 13:02 |
| knome | so huh: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/348/edit | 13:10 |
| knome | there's still that exo-helper test we can fix ;) | 13:10 |
| elfy | so what do you want to do - change it's name or edit and create another for kbd shortcuts? | 13:12 |
| knome | i'd say edit it to be a test for exo | 13:12 |
| knome | and briefly mention about testing shortcuts on the ISO post-install test | 13:12 |
| elfy | ok - leave the exo thing to me and I'll do it now | 13:13 |
| knome | ok, ta | 13:13 |
| * knome pokes other things | 13:14 | |
| elfy | I can just pull the branch and edit it there can't I - then check it's ok and push it back - that correct? | 13:14 |
| knome | yes | 13:14 |
| elfy | k | 13:15 |
| knome | when you've done that, poke me | 13:15 |
| elfy | ok | 13:15 |
| knome | or alternatively, copy the new text over to the tracker as well | 13:15 |
| elfy | not sure what you mean | 13:15 |
| elfy | let me edit the testcase first | 13:15 |
| knome | go to http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases/1568/edit and copy-paste the file contents to that box | 13:15 |
| knome | so the test is updated on the tracker as well | 13:16 |
| elfy | aah right - ok - got that :) | 13:16 |
| knome | there are two transmission testcases in the tracker as well, but that's not our problem | 13:31 |
| knome | elfy, bunch of links incoming | 13:35 |
| knome | Our product: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/products/335/testsuites | 13:35 |
| knome | The Xfce testsuite: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/348/edit | 13:36 |
| knome | The Xfce Applications testsuite: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/351/edit | 13:36 |
| knome | The Xubuntu Office testsuite: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/350/edit | 13:36 |
| knome | there are still a few tests we're not covering in those testsuites we might want/need to: | 13:37 |
| knome | file-roller, network manager, transmission, simple scan, xchat, gimp, gthumb | 13:37 |
| knome | then thunderbird, firefox | 13:38 |
| knome | possibly pulseaudio-related things | 13:38 |
| elfy | network testsuite - f/f, tbird, network manager, xchat, pidigin perhaps? | 13:38 |
| knome | was thinking about that | 13:38 |
| knome | and adding simple scan under office | 13:38 |
| knome | and yeah, pidgin... | 13:39 |
| knome | i somehow missed that | 13:39 |
| knome | do we ship both pidgin and xchat actually? | 13:39 |
| knome | or just pidgin | 13:39 |
| knome | i think just pidgin | 13:39 |
| elfy | xchat definitely - I've not had to install it for years | 13:39 |
| knome | oki | 13:39 |
| knome | then we ship both | 13:39 |
| elfy | super+t has changed to ctrl+alt+t now hasn't it? | 13:40 |
| knome | we have both | 13:40 |
| elfy | ok | 13:40 |
| knome | heh | 13:41 |
| knome | i missed the pidgin testcase because there isn't one | 13:42 |
| elfy | it's not done yet - sorry :) | 13:42 |
| elfy | knome: ok so I changed the exo test - did bzr commit - but it won't let me push as | 13:43 |
| elfy | bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. | 13:43 |
| elfy | how do I fix that | 13:44 |
| knome | elfy, bzr merge lp:ubuntu-manual-tests | 13:44 |
| knome | elfy, then bzr commit -m "Merging main." | 13:44 |
| knome | elfy, then bzr push | 13:44 |
| elfy | k - thanks :) | 13:45 |
| knome | np | 13:45 |
| elfy | I'll just edit the testcase at the packages thing and it's done | 13:45 |
| knome | :) | 13:45 |
| elfy | ok - all done now | 13:46 |
| elfy | I'll look at those links now :) | 13:46 |
| knome | wow, a very strong dejavu of a situation where i had a dejavu | 13:46 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 13:46 |
| elfy | http://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/t/actually-xubuntu-is-the-best-thing-since-sliced-bread/643/24?u=elfy | 13:51 |
| knome | didn't rowboatnick already prove that sliced bread isn't great? :P | 13:51 |
| elfy | ha ha ha | 13:52 |
| ochosi | knome: not really a problem of xfwm, more likely that ubiquity doesn't set the correct wm-hints | 14:22 |
| GridCube | pleia2: http://openetherpad.org/p/GHWvIcdokg | 14:47 |
| GridCube | knome: ochosi ^ | 14:48 |
| GridCube | :) | 14:48 |
| GridCube | can you review or comment pleas? | 14:48 |
| GridCube | +e | 14:48 |
| ochosi | GridCube: comment or edit as well? | 14:49 |
| ochosi | (i'm mostly referring to typos and grammar) | 14:50 |
| GridCube | oh do please correct bad grammers | 14:51 |
| GridCube | also see if you agree or not or change what you might think its plainly wrong | 14:51 |
| ochosi | ok cool | 14:52 |
| GridCube | lderan: care to review it aswel? | 15:02 |
| lderan | sure | 15:02 |
| knome | duh, openetherpad is slow | 15:11 |
| knome | GridCube, i had drafted http://pad.ubuntu.com/sG7L6CQInJ before | 15:12 |
| lderan | waiting for it to reconnect :( | 15:12 |
| knome | it doesn't load at all for me | 15:12 |
| GridCube | its sudendly down :( | 15:13 |
| GridCube | now its up again | 15:13 |
| knome | is the ubuntu pad one too different? | 15:13 |
| GridCube | i cant access that one | 15:13 |
| knome | not for me... loading and loading | 15:13 |
| knome | yeah, it's all dead | 15:18 |
| GridCube | oh well | 15:18 |
| GridCube | i cant never use the ubuntu ones tho | 15:19 |
| knome | because? | 15:19 |
| GridCube | i dont have access | 15:19 |
| knome | okay, then let's get you some access | 15:19 |
| knome | GridCube, join this team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad | 15:20 |
| knome | GridCube, i'll get somebody to approve once you've done that. | 15:20 |
| GridCube | done | 15:20 |
| knome | ta | 15:21 |
| knome | GridCube, you're approved. | 15:26 |
| GridCube | ok :) | 15:26 |
| knome | GridCube, see? opening your mouth means things get done :P | 15:27 |
| GridCube | P: it isnt the first time i've said i cant access the pad | 15:28 |
| knome | then you should've asked more promptly | 15:28 |
| knome | i haven't registered you saying that, because i woul have sorted that out | 15:28 |
| knome | same with pleia2, she's an admin of that group and could've done that right away | 15:28 |
| GridCube | :) | 15:28 |
| GridCube | well now its done so ill have to retype all of it | 15:29 |
| GridCube | because obviously i didnt backed up anywhere | 15:29 |
| knome | unless you can get openetherpad working | 15:29 |
| GridCube | sure | 15:29 |
| knome | is my draft of any help to you? | 15:29 |
| GridCube | yes, but that covered the introduction only, XD i had it a whole lot longer | 15:30 |
| lderan | openetherpad is back up | 15:33 |
| knome | ooh | 15:33 |
| GridCube | :D | 15:33 |
| GridCube | EXCELLENT | 15:33 |
| knome | my thoughts on that | 15:33 |
| knome | (i'll need to read that as i go, patience!) | 15:33 |
| knome | i don't think we need to explain our users why we use deviantart | 15:34 |
| knome | just say we decided to use that. | 15:34 |
| ochosi | GridCube: sry, the pad disconnected halfway through my review-process, i'll get on to that later | 15:34 |
| knome | you also do not need to be as verbose with the moderators things | 15:34 |
| knome | just tell we have several moderators from the community to make the submissions smooth | 15:35 |
| GridCube | ochosi: :D dont worry we now use the pad knome setted up earlier | 15:35 |
| knome | you can also say that the guidelines are on the deviantart page | 15:35 |
| knome | then we only need to maintain the guidelines there and not worry about people reading old versions, if we ever decide to change them | 15:35 |
| knome | the how to submit section is quite good as it is | 15:36 |
| knome | it's a good thing to tell there are other ways | 15:36 |
| knome | and i'd move the "desktop showcase" part up with the introduction | 15:36 |
| knome | GridCube, got all of that? :P | 15:37 |
| GridCube | :) yes editing right now | 15:38 |
| GridCube | knome: :) what do you think now? | 15:45 |
| lderan | looks good to me | 15:55 |
| lderan | maybe leave out the shunning of nonbelievers :P | 15:56 |
| GridCube | mabbe | 16:18 |
| ochosi | GridCube: the text looks fine now, just reviewed it now | 18:44 |
| GridCube | :) perfect now its up to pleia2 to determinate if what im saying its correct / change whatever its to be changed or its not reasonable and post it P: | 18:45 |
| knome | GridCube, editing the wording here and there | 19:02 |
| GridCube | perfect | 19:02 |
| knome | i will need to get back to it a bit later | 19:09 |
| knome | at latest in an hour | 19:10 |
| knome | bbiab | 19:10 |
| pleia2 | I am at my hotel now, but need food, I'll review once I am fed :) | 19:12 |
| GridCube | ill back later | 19:13 |
| knome | pleia2, if we're going to tell people they can submit images to mailing lists, i will force making more people moderators | 20:16 |
| knome | pleia2, (don't worry, you're safe, i can't assign you twice) | 20:16 |
| knome | pleia2, i'm rather thinking they could send it to the wiki... | 20:17 |
| pleia2 | yeah, not sure how I feel about the mailing list thing | 21:43 |
| pleia2 | it's a support list and I dont think we want to crowd it with that stuff | 21:44 |
| pleia2 | we could toss up a ml on launchpad for it | 21:47 |
| pleia2 | hm, not sure where we would put such a thing though | 21:48 |
| pleia2 | the trouble with the wiki is a lot of people have trouble signing up and into it, caching issues and slowness and you know | 21:48 |
| knome | i don't want to create a new LP group. | 21:52 |
| pleia2 | I left a couple comments in the pad | 21:52 |
| pleia2 | I think we stick to dA for now | 21:52 |
| pleia2 | if people gripe about it not being foss, well, "we go where contributors are" | 21:52 |
| knome | no, we tell them to volunteer and set up an alternative way to submit | 21:54 |
| knome | (pretty much the same thing, but allows less re-whining) | 21:54 |
| knome | so what about the declined submissions? | 21:54 |
| pleia2 | I left a comment, not really sure what we mean by "declined" | 21:55 |
| pleia2 | I don't really understand the workflow gridcube has in mind | 21:55 |
| pleia2 | the first week we'll get like a zillion submissions, week 5 not so many, we don't want to "reject" things the first week that we want to showcase on week 5 | 21:55 |
| knome | something that is not approved, eg. has copyright or nsfw issues | 21:55 |
| pleia2 | ok, gotcha | 21:56 |
| pleia2 | I think that's pretty well covered in the last paragraph | 21:57 |
| knome | not really | 21:57 |
| knome | we're telling that it's approved | 21:57 |
| knome | if it's not, are we telling why? | 21:57 |
| pleia2 | ah | 21:57 |
| knome | or just trash it | 21:58 |
| pleia2 | I think we can tell them why | 21:58 |
| pleia2 | (I say this, but of course I'm not the one doing the work :)) | 21:59 |
| knome | the last paragraph is babbling | 21:59 |
| knome | seems useless | 21:59 |
| knome | of course that's where we pick images | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | the one I just added? | 21:59 |
| pleia2 | well we don't want people to think "approved" means "showcased | 21:59 |
| knome | we should also consider the use of screenshot/desktop terms | 22:00 |
| knome | we're talking about screenshots, but the gallery is "desktop of the week" | 22:00 |
| knome | not screenshot OTW | 22:00 |
| pleia2 | er, it | 22:00 |
| pleia2 | 's a screenshot of the desktop | 22:00 |
| knome | yes, but it's a bit weird | 22:01 |
| pleia2 | maybe it's a language thing | 22:01 |
| knome | maybe | 22:01 |
| knome | edited the intro <p>, feels better to me now | 22:02 |
| pleia2 | I think it makes sense, but clarify if you need to :) | 22:03 |
| pleia2 | time for me to get dressed for dinner! | 22:03 |
| knome | just changed some wording and referred to "pool" instead of "approved submisisons" | 22:03 |
| knome | ooh ooh! | 22:03 |
| knome | bon appetut | 22:03 |
| knome | *it | 22:03 |
| knome | i'm off now as well | 22:04 |
| pleia2 | http://myubuntublog.com/ubuntu-vs-xubuntu/ | 22:04 |
| knome | i might be around for a short time tomorrow morning (5-6UTCish), then i'm off all day until sunday noon UTC or so | 22:04 |
| knome | if you want to publish the article, i'm ok with that | 22:06 |
| knome | (i mean, meanwhile) | 22:06 |
| knome | oki, i'm off now | 22:09 |
| knome | have fun everybody | 22:09 |
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