[00:53] * ochosi is wondering whether shipping whiskermenu by default instead of our current appmenu wouldn't be a nice move... [00:54] (i've used it for a while and it's really quite nice so far) [00:55] :) that would be interesting indeed [00:55] ppa:gottcode/gcppa for testing [01:07] P: thing is, i hardly use the app menu anyway, i have all the apps i want in launchers or i use alt-f2 [01:10] i like how you can resize it, but i dont like how the menus open to the left [01:12] Silly Alt+F2, trying to be appfinder. :/ (I know, it technically is.) [01:12] heh [01:49] ochosi: FWIW, I'm finishing up gtk-theme-config now [01:49] micahg, nice :) [01:49] knome: think there's any issue with me having Debian bug mail go to xubuntu-devel? [01:50] all of it? :P [01:50] or should I create a team for Xubuntu Debian package maintenance [01:50] no, just packages that we own outside of pkg-xfce [01:50] umm. [01:51] mr_pouit: ^^ your thoughts when you have a chance [01:51] https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs [01:51] no, that's a nightmare :) [01:52] I want a list that people will read [01:52] well bleh [01:52] i don't want bugmail on -devel because we're not doing any of it now either [01:53] I can make a new team (I should really do this on alioth, but I'm being lazy) [01:53] meh [01:53] * micahg makes a new team on alioth [01:53] :) [01:53] well, hrm [01:53] http://0bin.net/paste/B+NQN6UuUSgnkQLC#NkEzFphEYU7FydoWEH+60d7OhqgyuQRUh2VT8zdG1k4= was most of what I did... :/ [01:53] hrm what? [01:54] Unit193: turns out I just needed to drop the install file [01:54] Unit193: I'll grab your description, please feel free to commit [01:54] micahg: Yeah, I commented that out, the images didn't exist and it didn't need it. [01:54] (or I can) [01:54] Sure, feel free (I don't need any credit.) [01:55] http://paste.openstack.org/show/pHdhxgcFk3RAtPPxY29x full bzr diff, so not much. [01:55] oh, is there a 1.0 now? [01:55] Yeah. [01:55] * micahg updates [01:56] I didn't really know what to do with the hardening warning. [02:01] I'll take a look [02:08] Unit193: I see no such warning, do you have a paste? [02:10] I can if I re-branch and download the tarball. [02:11] Unit193: rebranch, uscan [02:15] That'll do. [02:24] http://paste.openstack.org/show/rjREttOYKvgjzcqLl6PX [02:24] http://paste.openstack.org/show/2xZdZTd05AEWiI6rYxQL if you want -i [02:25] Lintian v2.5.11ubuntu13 [02:26] Unit193: thanks, can I fix and you'll try again? [02:26] Sure. [02:30] * micahg really should get on saucy [02:30] * Unit193 is on Raring. [02:30] i'm at home [02:31] (i literally lol'ed at that joke of my own) [02:31] (but it's 5:30am) [02:32] Noooo, should have said "I'm on my bed" [02:32] Unit193: pushed [02:33] hrm, I think I need one more thing [02:34] Don't remember what I tried, but did a couple... [02:35] Unit193, you tried a couple? [02:35] okay, we're losing the control here. [02:35] knome: Less beer! ;P [02:35] no beer today [02:36] Teddy bear? [02:36] no teddy's either [02:38] Unit193: ok, that should do it [02:39] Running. [02:47] W: gtk-theme-config: hardening-no-fortify-functions usr/bin/gtk-theme-config [02:49] http://paste.openstack.org/show/lI7HBiV2j5JqNyKV8iFo [02:50] My guess was how the Makefile was written, but that's me... [02:56] * micahg tries again with compat level 9 [02:56] (Worth a shot, but I think I did that one...) [03:01] I see the flags not being passed in vala [03:07] oh! [03:07] Unit193: I think you're right [03:07] Wooo! I may not be as stupid as I look! [03:08] :P [03:40] valac -X -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -X -g -X -O2 -X -fPIE -X -fstack-protector -X --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -X -Wformat -X -Werror=format-security -X -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -X -fPIE -X -pie -X -Wl,-z,relro -X -Wl,-z,now --pkg gtk+-3.0 -X -lm gtk-theme-config.vala -o gtk-theme-config [03:40] \o/ [03:41] Wooo! Something to push to satya164? :P [03:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/5913491/ better at least [03:42] yeah [03:42] Indeed. [03:42] Figured I'd better leave it to you... [03:43] * micahg has to dig up his github credentials now...maybe later [03:44] Heh, better than my method. :P [03:44] Unit193: rev 16 pushed [03:54] And now just the two. \o/ [03:54] excellent, after I've fwd the patch upstream I'll push to mentors [03:55] (Tried on amd64 with precise lintian too. :P ) [03:55] ochosi: ^^ progress :) [03:56] Ping a few more times for fun! :P [03:57] hrm, /me adds --as-needed for Debian [07:21] micahg: awesome stuff! [07:44] When are the login screen theme glitches expected to be fixed? [08:02] Noskcaj, when there's the next upload for themes [08:02] ok [08:44] knome, FYI the installer theme shouldn't have a maximise button. bug 1177116 [08:44] bug 1177116 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "maximise button does nothing in Ubiquity" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1177116 [08:46] sounds like it's a problem of xfwm, not theming [08:46] ochosi, ^ [08:47] ok. I'll just check what happens in live session (i really should have done that sooner) [08:51] The plus button exists but doesn't work in live session [08:57] okay. === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [12:28] bleh. [12:28] i need a pen and paper [12:29] oh dear [12:32] huh, there are like 5 tests that had id's but not in the tracker [12:33] which ones [12:33] dict, mime, power manager, task manager, window manager, app finder [12:34] did you find out which one of the panel tests were the correct one? [12:34] window manager was one of mine - I know for fact I didn't give it a number [12:34] common sense says bigger number, but... [12:34] knome: they both appear to be ok - one is more detailed than the other [12:35] 1573 being more detailed [12:36] app finder was one of mine too, balloons merged those I'm sure - had some issues because tracker or something didn't like _ - I'd guess he was numbering them [12:38] ok [12:41] knome: I would go with 1573 panel testcase [12:42] just did that [12:42] k [12:42] if you're moving stuff about - I'll not merge this gthumb one till you've finished [12:43] i am [12:44] sorry - my english - I meant "as you're " [12:44] heh [12:44] never trust an English man's english :p [12:45] ok, that should be good now [12:45] argh [12:45] wait [12:45] ok. done [12:49] question: [12:49] do we want to modify the exo-helper test to make sure exo-helper works, or modify it to be about xubuntu keyboard shortcuts? [12:51] 2 secs [12:51] one... [12:51] two... [12:51] so? [12:52] I did that one from what I knew - mostly followed where the bug pointed I think [12:52] want me to explain what's wrong with it? [12:52] mmmm [12:53] wonder how I managed to do that then [12:53] i mean, the point is [12:53] I see what's up with it [12:53] exo-helper is a wrapper that detects the preferred application, say for a browser [12:53] yea [12:53] so if there's a shortcut that points to mousepad... that's not anything to do with exo-helper [12:54] yea I know - don't know why I did it lol [12:54] well otoh it kind of makes sense to test all the shortcuts [12:55] modify it to be about xubuntu keyboard shortcuts - I can do the exo-helper one again [12:55] well i'm wondering if we want both [12:56] i'd be pretty happy with the exo one in packages. and a brief mention about shortcuts working generally in the ISO post-installation test [12:56] ok [12:56] I'm easy enough to please - I'd happily do another testcase if we thought it necessary [12:57] BOO [12:57] there's no way to get to edit a testcase text from the testsuite view [12:57] you have to go pick the testcases from the testsuite from the testcases view [12:58] talking about changing the title? [12:58] no, i'm cleaning up the markup for the xfce tests [12:59] but the title too. [12:59] oh right [12:59] am I ok to merge this gthumb one now? [13:00] go ahead, i'll fix things if there are conflicts [13:02] ok - all done [13:10] so huh: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/348/edit [13:10] there's still that exo-helper test we can fix ;) [13:12] so what do you want to do - change it's name or edit and create another for kbd shortcuts? [13:12] i'd say edit it to be a test for exo [13:12] and briefly mention about testing shortcuts on the ISO post-install test [13:13] ok - leave the exo thing to me and I'll do it now [13:13] ok, ta [13:14] * knome pokes other things [13:14] I can just pull the branch and edit it there can't I - then check it's ok and push it back - that correct? [13:14] yes [13:15] k [13:15] when you've done that, poke me [13:15] ok [13:15] or alternatively, copy the new text over to the tracker as well [13:15] not sure what you mean [13:15] let me edit the testcase first [13:15] go to http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases/1568/edit and copy-paste the file contents to that box [13:16] so the test is updated on the tracker as well [13:16] aah right - ok - got that :) [13:31] there are two transmission testcases in the tracker as well, but that's not our problem [13:35] elfy, bunch of links incoming [13:35] Our product: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/products/335/testsuites [13:36] The Xfce testsuite: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/348/edit [13:36] The Xfce Applications testsuite: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/351/edit [13:36] The Xubuntu Office testsuite: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/350/edit [13:37] there are still a few tests we're not covering in those testsuites we might want/need to: [13:37] file-roller, network manager, transmission, simple scan, xchat, gimp, gthumb [13:38] then thunderbird, firefox [13:38] possibly pulseaudio-related things [13:38] network testsuite - f/f, tbird, network manager, xchat, pidigin perhaps? [13:38] was thinking about that [13:38] and adding simple scan under office [13:39] and yeah, pidgin... [13:39] i somehow missed that [13:39] do we ship both pidgin and xchat actually? [13:39] or just pidgin [13:39] i think just pidgin [13:39] xchat definitely - I've not had to install it for years [13:39] oki [13:39] then we ship both [13:40] super+t has changed to ctrl+alt+t now hasn't it? [13:40] we have both [13:40] ok [13:41] heh [13:42] i missed the pidgin testcase because there isn't one [13:42] it's not done yet - sorry :) [13:43] knome: ok so I changed the exo test - did bzr commit - but it won't let me push as [13:43] bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged. [13:44] how do I fix that [13:44] elfy, bzr merge lp:ubuntu-manual-tests [13:44] elfy, then bzr commit -m "Merging main." [13:44] elfy, then bzr push [13:45] k - thanks :) [13:45] np [13:45] I'll just edit the testcase at the packages thing and it's done [13:45] :) [13:46] ok - all done now [13:46] I'll look at those links now :) [13:46] wow, a very strong dejavu of a situation where i had a dejavu [13:46] ha ha ha [13:51] http://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/t/actually-xubuntu-is-the-best-thing-since-sliced-bread/643/24?u=elfy [13:51] didn't rowboatnick already prove that sliced bread isn't great? :P [13:52] ha ha ha [14:22] knome: not really a problem of xfwm, more likely that ubiquity doesn't set the correct wm-hints [14:47] pleia2: http://openetherpad.org/p/GHWvIcdokg [14:48] knome: ochosi ^ [14:48] :) [14:48] can you review or comment pleas? [14:48] +e [14:49] GridCube: comment or edit as well? [14:50] (i'm mostly referring to typos and grammar) [14:51] oh do please correct bad grammers [14:51] also see if you agree or not or change what you might think its plainly wrong [14:52] ok cool [15:02] lderan: care to review it aswel? [15:02] sure [15:11] duh, openetherpad is slow [15:12] GridCube, i had drafted http://pad.ubuntu.com/sG7L6CQInJ before [15:12] waiting for it to reconnect :( [15:12] it doesn't load at all for me [15:13] its sudendly down :( [15:13] now its up again [15:13] is the ubuntu pad one too different? [15:13] i cant access that one [15:13] not for me... loading and loading [15:18] yeah, it's all dead [15:18] oh well [15:19] i cant never use the ubuntu ones tho [15:19] because? [15:19] i dont have access [15:19] okay, then let's get you some access [15:20] GridCube, join this team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad [15:20] GridCube, i'll get somebody to approve once you've done that. [15:20] done [15:21] ta [15:26] GridCube, you're approved. [15:26] ok :) [15:27] GridCube, see? opening your mouth means things get done :P [15:28] P: it isnt the first time i've said i cant access the pad [15:28] then you should've asked more promptly [15:28] i haven't registered you saying that, because i woul have sorted that out [15:28] same with pleia2, she's an admin of that group and could've done that right away [15:28] :) [15:29] well now its done so ill have to retype all of it [15:29] because obviously i didnt backed up anywhere [15:29] unless you can get openetherpad working [15:29] sure [15:29] is my draft of any help to you? [15:30] yes, but that covered the introduction only, XD i had it a whole lot longer [15:33] openetherpad is back up [15:33] ooh [15:33] :D [15:33] EXCELLENT [15:33] my thoughts on that [15:33] (i'll need to read that as i go, patience!) [15:34] i don't think we need to explain our users why we use deviantart [15:34] just say we decided to use that. [15:34] GridCube: sry, the pad disconnected halfway through my review-process, i'll get on to that later [15:34] you also do not need to be as verbose with the moderators things [15:35] just tell we have several moderators from the community to make the submissions smooth [15:35] ochosi: :D dont worry we now use the pad knome setted up earlier [15:35] you can also say that the guidelines are on the deviantart page [15:35] then we only need to maintain the guidelines there and not worry about people reading old versions, if we ever decide to change them [15:36] the how to submit section is quite good as it is [15:36] it's a good thing to tell there are other ways [15:36] and i'd move the "desktop showcase" part up with the introduction [15:37] GridCube, got all of that? :P [15:38] :) yes editing right now [15:45] knome: :) what do you think now? [15:55] looks good to me [15:56] maybe leave out the shunning of nonbelievers :P [16:18] mabbe [18:44] GridCube: the text looks fine now, just reviewed it now [18:45] :) perfect now its up to pleia2 to determinate if what im saying its correct / change whatever its to be changed or its not reasonable and post it P: [19:02] GridCube, editing the wording here and there [19:02] perfect [19:09] i will need to get back to it a bit later [19:10] at latest in an hour [19:10] bbiab [19:12] I am at my hotel now, but need food, I'll review once I am fed :) [19:13] ill back later [20:16] pleia2, if we're going to tell people they can submit images to mailing lists, i will force making more people moderators [20:16] pleia2, (don't worry, you're safe, i can't assign you twice) [20:17] pleia2, i'm rather thinking they could send it to the wiki... [21:43] yeah, not sure how I feel about the mailing list thing [21:44] it's a support list and I dont think we want to crowd it with that stuff [21:47] we could toss up a ml on launchpad for it [21:48] hm, not sure where we would put such a thing though [21:48] the trouble with the wiki is a lot of people have trouble signing up and into it, caching issues and slowness and you know [21:52] i don't want to create a new LP group. [21:52] I left a couple comments in the pad [21:52] I think we stick to dA for now [21:52] if people gripe about it not being foss, well, "we go where contributors are" [21:54] no, we tell them to volunteer and set up an alternative way to submit [21:54] (pretty much the same thing, but allows less re-whining) [21:54] so what about the declined submissions? [21:55] I left a comment, not really sure what we mean by "declined" [21:55] I don't really understand the workflow gridcube has in mind [21:55] the first week we'll get like a zillion submissions, week 5 not so many, we don't want to "reject" things the first week that we want to showcase on week 5 [21:55] something that is not approved, eg. has copyright or nsfw issues [21:56] ok, gotcha [21:57] I think that's pretty well covered in the last paragraph [21:57] not really [21:57] we're telling that it's approved [21:57] if it's not, are we telling why? [21:57] ah [21:58] or just trash it [21:58] I think we can tell them why [21:59] (I say this, but of course I'm not the one doing the work :)) [21:59] the last paragraph is babbling [21:59] seems useless [21:59] of course that's where we pick images [21:59] the one I just added? [21:59] well we don't want people to think "approved" means "showcased [22:00] we should also consider the use of screenshot/desktop terms [22:00] we're talking about screenshots, but the gallery is "desktop of the week" [22:00] not screenshot OTW [22:00] er, it [22:00] 's a screenshot of the desktop [22:01] yes, but it's a bit weird [22:01] maybe it's a language thing [22:01] maybe [22:02] edited the intro

, feels better to me now [22:03] I think it makes sense, but clarify if you need to :) [22:03] time for me to get dressed for dinner! [22:03] just changed some wording and referred to "pool" instead of "approved submisisons" [22:03] ooh ooh! [22:03] bon appetut [22:03] *it [22:04] i'm off now as well [22:04] http://myubuntublog.com/ubuntu-vs-xubuntu/ [22:04] i might be around for a short time tomorrow morning (5-6UTCish), then i'm off all day until sunday noon UTC or so [22:06] if you want to publish the article, i'm ok with that [22:06] (i mean, meanwhile) [22:09] oki, i'm off now [22:09] have fun everybody