[00:53]  * ochosi is wondering whether shipping whiskermenu by default instead of our current appmenu wouldn't be a nice move...
[00:54] <ochosi> (i've used it for a while and it's really quite nice so far)
[00:55] <GridCube> :) that would be interesting indeed
[00:55] <ochosi> ppa:gottcode/gcppa for testing
[01:07] <GridCube> P: thing is, i hardly use the app menu anyway, i have all the apps i want in launchers or i use alt-f2
[01:10] <GridCube> i like how you can resize it, but i dont like how the menus open to the left
[01:12] <Unit193> Silly Alt+F2, trying to be appfinder. :/  (I know, it technically is.)
[01:12] <knome> heh
[01:49] <micahg> ochosi: FWIW, I'm finishing up gtk-theme-config now
[01:49] <knome> micahg, nice :)
[01:49] <micahg> knome: think there's any issue with me having Debian bug mail go to xubuntu-devel?
[01:50] <knome> all of it? :P
[01:50] <micahg> or should I create a team for Xubuntu Debian package maintenance
[01:50] <micahg> no, just packages that we own outside of pkg-xfce
[01:50] <knome> umm.
[01:51] <micahg> mr_pouit: ^^ your thoughts when you have a chance
[01:51] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-bugs
[01:51] <micahg> no, that's a nightmare :)
[01:52] <micahg> I want a list that people will  read
[01:52] <knome> well bleh
[01:52] <knome> i don't want bugmail on -devel because we're not doing any of it now either
[01:53] <micahg> I can make a new team (I should really do this on alioth, but I'm being lazy)
[01:53] <micahg> meh
[01:53]  * micahg makes a new team on alioth
[01:53] <knome> :)
[01:53] <micahg> well, hrm
[01:53] <Unit193> http://0bin.net/paste/B+NQN6UuUSgnkQLC#NkEzFphEYU7FydoWEH+60d7OhqgyuQRUh2VT8zdG1k4= was most of what I did... :/
[01:53] <knome> hrm what?
[01:54] <micahg> Unit193: turns out I just needed to drop the install file
[01:54] <micahg> Unit193: I'll grab your description, please feel free to commit
[01:54] <Unit193> micahg: Yeah, I commented that out, the images didn't exist and it didn't need it.
[01:54] <micahg> (or I can)
[01:54] <Unit193> Sure, feel free (I don't need any credit.)
[01:55] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/pHdhxgcFk3RAtPPxY29x full bzr diff, so not much.
[01:55] <micahg> oh, is there a 1.0 now?
[01:55] <Unit193> Yeah.
[01:55]  * micahg updates
[01:56] <Unit193> I didn't really know what to do with the hardening warning.
[02:01] <micahg> I'll take a look
[02:08] <micahg> Unit193: I see no such warning, do you have a paste?
[02:10] <Unit193> I can if I re-branch and download the tarball.
[02:11] <micahg> Unit193: rebranch, uscan
[02:15] <Unit193> That'll do.
[02:24] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/rjREttOYKvgjzcqLl6PX
[02:24] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/2xZdZTd05AEWiI6rYxQL if you want -i
[02:25] <Unit193> Lintian v2.5.11ubuntu13
[02:26] <micahg> Unit193: thanks, can I fix and you'll try again?
[02:26] <Unit193> Sure.
[02:30]  * micahg really should get on saucy
[02:30]  * Unit193 is on Raring.
[02:30] <knome> i'm at home
[02:31] <knome> (i literally lol'ed at that joke of my own)
[02:31] <knome> (but it's 5:30am)
[02:32] <Unit193> Noooo, should have said "I'm on my bed"
[02:32] <micahg> Unit193: pushed
[02:33] <micahg> hrm, I think I need one more thing
[02:34] <Unit193> Don't remember what I tried, but did a couple...
[02:35] <knome> Unit193, you tried a couple?
[02:35] <knome> okay, we're losing the control here.
[02:35] <Unit193> knome: Less beer! ;P
[02:35] <knome> no beer today
[02:36] <Unit193> Teddy bear?
[02:36] <knome> no teddy's either
[02:38] <micahg> Unit193: ok, that should do it
[02:39] <Unit193> Running.
[02:47] <Unit193> W: gtk-theme-config: hardening-no-fortify-functions usr/bin/gtk-theme-config
[02:49] <Unit193> http://paste.openstack.org/show/lI7HBiV2j5JqNyKV8iFo
[02:50] <Unit193> My guess was how the Makefile was written, but that's me...
[02:56]  * micahg tries again with compat level 9
[02:56] <Unit193> (Worth a shot, but I think I did that one...)
[03:01] <micahg> I see the flags not being passed in vala
[03:07] <micahg> oh!
[03:07] <micahg> Unit193: I think you're right
[03:07] <Unit193> Wooo!  I may not be as stupid as I look!
[03:08] <knome> :P
[03:40] <micahg> valac -X -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -X -g -X -O2 -X -fPIE -X -fstack-protector -X --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 -X -Wformat -X -Werror=format-security -X -Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -X -fPIE -X -pie -X -Wl,-z,relro -X -Wl,-z,now --pkg gtk+-3.0 -X -lm gtk-theme-config.vala -o gtk-theme-config
[03:40] <micahg> \o/
[03:41] <Unit193> Wooo!  Something to push to satya164? :P
[03:41] <micahg> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5913491/ better at least
[03:42] <micahg> yeah
[03:42] <Unit193> Indeed.
[03:42] <Unit193> Figured I'd better leave it to you...
[03:43]  * micahg has to dig up his github credentials now...maybe later
[03:44] <Unit193> Heh, better than my method. :P
[03:44] <micahg> Unit193: rev 16 pushed
[03:54] <Unit193> And now just the two. \o/
[03:54] <micahg> excellent, after I've fwd the patch upstream I'll push to mentors
[03:55] <Unit193> (Tried on amd64 with precise lintian too. :P )
[03:55] <micahg> ochosi: ^^ progress :)
[03:56] <Unit193> Ping a few more times for fun! :P
[03:57] <micahg> hrm, /me adds --as-needed for Debian
[07:21] <ochosi> micahg: awesome stuff!
[07:44] <Noskcaj> When are the login screen theme glitches expected to be fixed?  
[08:02] <knome> Noskcaj, when there's the next upload for themes
[08:02] <Noskcaj> ok
[08:44] <Noskcaj> knome, FYI the installer theme shouldn't have a maximise button. bug 1177116
[08:46] <knome> sounds like it's a problem of xfwm, not theming
[08:46] <knome> ochosi, ^
[08:47] <Noskcaj> ok. I'll just check what happens in live session (i really should have done that sooner)
[08:51] <Noskcaj> The plus button exists but doesn't work in live session
[08:57] <knome> okay.
[12:28] <knome> bleh.
[12:28] <knome> i need a pen and paper
[12:29] <elfy> oh dear
[12:32] <knome> huh, there are like 5 tests that had id's but not in the tracker
[12:33] <elfy> which ones 
[12:33] <knome> dict, mime, power manager, task manager, window manager, app finder
[12:34] <knome> did you find out which one of the panel tests were the correct one?
[12:34] <elfy> window manager was one of mine - I know for fact I didn't give it a number 
[12:34] <knome> common sense says bigger number, but...
[12:34] <elfy> knome: they both appear to be ok - one is more detailed than the other 
[12:35] <elfy> 1573 being more detailed
[12:36] <elfy> app finder was one of mine too, balloons merged those I'm sure - had some issues because tracker or something didn't like _  - I'd guess he was numbering them
[12:38] <knome> ok
[12:41] <elfy> knome: I would go with 1573 panel testcase 
[12:42] <knome> just did that
[12:42] <elfy> k
[12:42] <elfy> if you're moving stuff about - I'll not merge this gthumb one till you've finished
[12:43] <knome> i am
[12:44] <elfy> sorry - my english - I meant "as you're "
[12:44] <knome> heh
[12:44] <elfy> never trust an English man's english :p
[12:45] <knome> ok, that should be good now
[12:45] <knome> argh
[12:45] <knome> wait
[12:45] <knome> ok. done
[12:49] <knome> question:
[12:49] <knome> do we want to modify the exo-helper test to make sure exo-helper works, or modify it to be about xubuntu keyboard shortcuts?
[12:51] <elfy> 2 secs
[12:51] <knome> one...
[12:51] <knome> two...
[12:51] <knome> so?
[12:52] <elfy> I did that one from what I knew - mostly followed where the bug pointed I think
[12:52] <knome> want me to explain what's wrong with it?
[12:52] <elfy> mmmm
[12:53] <elfy> wonder how I managed to do that then
[12:53] <knome> i mean, the point is
[12:53] <elfy> I see what's up with it 
[12:53] <knome> exo-helper is a wrapper that detects the preferred application, say for a browser
[12:53] <elfy> yea 
[12:53] <knome> so if there's a shortcut that points to mousepad... that's not anything to do with exo-helper
[12:54] <elfy> yea I know - don't know why I did it lol
[12:54] <knome> well otoh it kind of makes sense to test all the shortcuts
[12:55] <elfy> modify it to be about xubuntu keyboard shortcuts - I can do the exo-helper one again
[12:55] <knome> well i'm wondering if we want both
[12:56] <knome> i'd be pretty happy with the exo one in packages. and a brief mention about shortcuts working generally in the ISO post-installation test
[12:56] <elfy> ok 
[12:56] <elfy> I'm easy enough to please - I'd happily do another testcase if we thought it necessary
[12:57] <knome> BOO
[12:57] <knome> there's no way to get to edit a testcase text from the testsuite view
[12:57] <knome> you have to go pick the testcases from the testsuite from the testcases view
[12:58] <elfy> talking about changing the title?
[12:58] <knome> no, i'm cleaning up the markup for the xfce tests
[12:59] <knome> but the title too.
[12:59] <elfy> oh right
[12:59] <elfy> am I ok to merge this gthumb one now? 
[13:00] <knome> go ahead, i'll fix things if there are conflicts
[13:02] <elfy> ok - all done
[13:10] <knome> so huh: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/348/edit
[13:10] <knome> there's still that exo-helper test we can fix ;)
[13:12] <elfy> so what do you want to do - change it's name or edit and create another for kbd shortcuts? 
[13:12] <knome> i'd say edit it to be a test for exo
[13:12] <knome> and briefly mention about testing shortcuts on the ISO post-install test
[13:13] <elfy> ok - leave the exo thing to me and I'll do it now 
[13:13] <knome> ok, ta
[13:14]  * knome pokes other things
[13:14] <elfy> I can just pull the branch and edit it there can't I - then check it's ok and push it back - that correct? 
[13:14] <knome> yes
[13:15] <elfy> k
[13:15] <knome> when you've done that, poke me
[13:15] <elfy> ok
[13:15] <knome> or alternatively, copy the new text over to the tracker as well
[13:15] <elfy> not sure what you mean
[13:15] <elfy> let me edit the testcase first 
[13:15] <knome> go to http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testcases/1568/edit and copy-paste the file contents to that box
[13:16] <knome> so the test is updated on the tracker as well
[13:16] <elfy> aah right - ok - got that :)
[13:31] <knome> there are two transmission testcases in the tracker as well, but that's not our problem
[13:35] <knome> elfy, bunch of links incoming
[13:35] <knome> Our product: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/products/335/testsuites
[13:36] <knome> The Xfce testsuite: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/348/edit
[13:36] <knome> The Xfce Applications testsuite: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/351/edit
[13:36] <knome> The Xubuntu Office testsuite: http://packages.qa.ubuntu.com/admin/config/services/qatracker/testsuites/350/edit
[13:37] <knome> there are still a few tests we're not covering in those testsuites we might want/need to:
[13:37] <knome> file-roller, network manager, transmission, simple scan, xchat, gimp, gthumb
[13:38] <knome> then thunderbird, firefox
[13:38] <knome> possibly pulseaudio-related things
[13:38] <elfy> network testsuite - f/f, tbird, network manager, xchat, pidigin perhaps?
[13:38] <knome> was thinking about that
[13:38] <knome> and adding simple scan under office
[13:39] <knome> and yeah, pidgin...
[13:39] <knome> i somehow missed that
[13:39] <knome> do we ship both pidgin and xchat actually?
[13:39] <knome> or just pidgin
[13:39] <knome> i think just pidgin
[13:39] <elfy> xchat definitely - I've not had to install it for years
[13:39] <knome> oki
[13:39] <knome> then we ship both
[13:40] <elfy> super+t has changed to ctrl+alt+t now hasn't it? 
[13:40] <knome> we have both
[13:40] <elfy> ok
[13:41] <knome> heh
[13:42] <knome> i missed the pidgin testcase because there isn't one
[13:42] <elfy> it's not done yet - sorry :)
[13:43] <elfy> knome: ok so I changed the exo test - did bzr commit - but it won't let me push as 
[13:43] <elfy> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.
[13:44] <elfy> how do I fix that
[13:44] <knome> elfy, bzr merge lp:ubuntu-manual-tests
[13:44] <knome> elfy, then bzr commit -m "Merging main."
[13:44] <knome> elfy, then bzr push
[13:45] <elfy> k - thanks :)
[13:45] <knome> np
[13:45] <elfy> I'll just edit the testcase at the packages thing and it's done
[13:45] <knome> :)
[13:46] <elfy> ok - all done now
[13:46] <elfy> I'll look at those links now :)
[13:46] <knome> wow, a very strong dejavu of a situation where i had a dejavu
[13:46] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[13:51] <elfy> http://test.ubuntu-discourse.org/t/actually-xubuntu-is-the-best-thing-since-sliced-bread/643/24?u=elfy
[13:51] <knome> didn't rowboatnick already prove that sliced bread isn't great? :P
[13:52] <elfy> ha ha ha 
[14:22] <ochosi> knome: not really a problem of xfwm, more likely that ubiquity doesn't set the correct wm-hints
[14:47] <GridCube> pleia2: http://openetherpad.org/p/GHWvIcdokg
[14:48] <GridCube> knome: ochosi ^ 
[14:48] <GridCube> :)
[14:48] <GridCube> can you review or comment pleas?
[14:48] <GridCube> +e
[14:49] <ochosi> GridCube: comment or edit as well?
[14:50] <ochosi> (i'm mostly referring to typos and grammar)
[14:51] <GridCube> oh do please correct bad grammers
[14:51] <GridCube> also see if you agree or not or change what you might think its plainly wrong
[14:52] <ochosi> ok cool
[15:02] <GridCube> lderan: care to review it aswel?
[15:02] <lderan> sure
[15:11] <knome> duh, openetherpad is slow
[15:12] <knome> GridCube, i had drafted http://pad.ubuntu.com/sG7L6CQInJ before
[15:12] <lderan> waiting for it to reconnect :(
[15:12] <knome> it doesn't load at all for me
[15:13] <GridCube> its sudendly down :(
[15:13] <GridCube> now its up again
[15:13] <knome> is the ubuntu pad one too different?
[15:13] <GridCube> i cant access that one
[15:13] <knome> not for me... loading and loading
[15:18] <knome> yeah, it's all dead
[15:18] <GridCube> oh well
[15:19] <GridCube> i cant never use the ubuntu ones tho
[15:19] <knome> because?
[15:19] <GridCube> i dont have access
[15:19] <knome> okay, then let's get you some access
[15:20] <knome> GridCube, join this team: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad
[15:20] <knome> GridCube, i'll get somebody to approve once you've done that.
[15:20] <GridCube> done
[15:21] <knome> ta
[15:26] <knome> GridCube, you're approved.
[15:26] <GridCube> ok :)
[15:27] <knome> GridCube, see? opening your mouth means things get done :P
[15:28] <GridCube> P: it isnt the first time i've said i cant access the pad
[15:28] <knome> then you should've asked more promptly
[15:28] <knome> i haven't registered you saying that, because i woul have sorted that out
[15:28] <knome> same with pleia2, she's an admin of that group and could've done that right away
[15:28] <GridCube> :) 
[15:29] <GridCube> well now its done so ill have to retype all of it
[15:29] <GridCube> because obviously i didnt backed up anywhere
[15:29] <knome> unless you can get openetherpad working
[15:29] <GridCube> sure
[15:29] <knome> is my draft of any help to you?
[15:30] <GridCube> yes, but that covered the introduction only, XD i had it a whole lot longer
[15:33] <lderan>  openetherpad is back up
[15:33] <knome> ooh
[15:33] <GridCube> :D
[15:33] <GridCube> EXCELLENT
[15:33] <knome> my thoughts on that
[15:33] <knome> (i'll need to read that as i go, patience!)
[15:34] <knome> i don't think we need to explain our users why we use deviantart
[15:34] <knome> just say we decided to use that.
[15:34] <ochosi> GridCube: sry, the pad disconnected halfway through my review-process, i'll get on to that later
[15:34] <knome> you also do not need to be as verbose with the moderators things
[15:35] <knome> just tell we have several moderators from the community to make the submissions smooth
[15:35] <GridCube> ochosi: :D dont worry we now use the pad knome setted up earlier
[15:35] <knome> you can also say that the guidelines are on the deviantart page
[15:35] <knome> then we only need to maintain the guidelines there and not worry about people reading old versions, if we ever decide to change them
[15:36] <knome> the how to submit section is quite good as it is
[15:36] <knome> it's a good thing to tell there are other ways
[15:36] <knome> and i'd move the "desktop showcase" part up with the introduction
[15:37] <knome> GridCube, got all of that? :P
[15:38] <GridCube> :) yes editing right now
[15:45] <GridCube> knome: :) what do you think now?
[15:55] <lderan> looks good to me
[15:56] <lderan> maybe leave out the shunning of nonbelievers :P
[16:18] <GridCube> mabbe
[18:44] <ochosi> GridCube: the text looks fine now, just reviewed it now
[18:45] <GridCube> :) perfect now its up to pleia2 to determinate if what im saying its correct / change whatever its to be changed or its not reasonable and post it P:
[19:02] <knome> GridCube, editing the wording here and there
[19:02] <GridCube> perfect
[19:09] <knome> i will need to get back to it a bit later
[19:10] <knome> at latest in an hour
[19:10] <knome> bbiab
[19:12] <pleia2> I am at my hotel now, but need food, I'll review once I am fed :)
[19:13] <GridCube> ill back later
[20:16] <knome> pleia2, if we're going to tell people they can submit images to mailing lists, i will force making more people moderators
[20:16] <knome> pleia2, (don't worry, you're safe, i can't assign you twice)
[20:17] <knome> pleia2, i'm rather thinking they could send it to the wiki...
[21:43] <pleia2> yeah, not sure how I feel about the mailing list thing
[21:44] <pleia2> it's a support list and I dont think we want to crowd it with that stuff
[21:47] <pleia2> we could toss up a ml on launchpad for it
[21:48] <pleia2> hm, not sure where we would put such a thing though
[21:48] <pleia2> the trouble with the wiki is a lot of people have trouble signing up and into it, caching issues and slowness and you know
[21:52] <knome> i don't want to create a new LP group.
[21:52] <pleia2> I left a couple comments in the pad
[21:52] <pleia2> I think we stick to dA for now
[21:52] <pleia2> if people gripe about it not being foss, well, "we go where contributors are"
[21:54] <knome> no, we tell them to volunteer and set up an alternative way to submit
[21:54] <knome> (pretty much the same thing, but allows less re-whining)
[21:54] <knome> so what about the declined submissions?
[21:55] <pleia2> I left a comment, not really sure what we mean by "declined"
[21:55] <pleia2> I don't really understand the workflow gridcube has in mind
[21:55] <pleia2> the first week we'll get like a zillion submissions, week 5 not so many, we don't want to "reject" things the first week that we want to showcase on week 5
[21:55] <knome> something that is not approved, eg. has copyright or nsfw issues
[21:56] <pleia2> ok, gotcha
[21:57] <pleia2> I think that's pretty well covered in the last paragraph
[21:57] <knome> not really
[21:57] <knome> we're telling that it's approved
[21:57] <knome> if it's not, are we telling why?
[21:57] <pleia2> ah
[21:58] <knome> or just trash it
[21:58] <pleia2> I think we can tell them why
[21:59] <pleia2> (I say this, but of course I'm not the one doing the work :))
[21:59] <knome> the last paragraph is babbling
[21:59] <knome> seems useless
[21:59] <knome> of course that's where we pick images
[21:59] <pleia2> the one I just added?
[21:59] <pleia2> well we don't want people to think "approved" means "showcased
[22:00] <knome> we should also consider the use of screenshot/desktop terms
[22:00] <knome> we're talking about screenshots, but the gallery is "desktop of the week"
[22:00] <knome> not screenshot OTW
[22:00] <pleia2> er, it
[22:00] <pleia2> 's a screenshot of the desktop
[22:01] <knome> yes, but it's a bit weird
[22:01] <pleia2> maybe it's a language thing
[22:01] <knome> maybe
[22:02] <knome> edited the intro <p>, feels better to me now
[22:03] <pleia2> I think it makes sense, but clarify if you need to :)
[22:03] <pleia2> time for me to get dressed for dinner!
[22:03] <knome> just changed some wording and referred to "pool" instead of "approved submisisons"
[22:03] <knome> ooh ooh!
[22:03] <knome> bon appetut
[22:03] <knome> *it
[22:04] <knome> i'm off now as well
[22:04] <pleia2> http://myubuntublog.com/ubuntu-vs-xubuntu/
[22:04] <knome> i might be around for a short time tomorrow morning (5-6UTCish), then i'm off all day until sunday noon UTC or so
[22:06] <knome> if you want to publish the article, i'm ok with that
[22:06] <knome> (i mean, meanwhile)
[22:09] <knome> oki, i'm off now
[22:09] <knome> have fun everybody