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| jbicha | darkxst: ping | 01:39 |
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| darkxst | pong | 01:39 |
| jbicha | I'm curious how much you know about bug 1187981 and if there's some way you can think of that we can work around it | 01:42 |
| ubot5 | bug 1187981 in gnome-control-center "symbol conflicts in libtimezonemap1" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187981 | 01:42 |
| jbicha | I think it's the biggest blocker bug to getting g-c-c 3.8 in to Saucy (besides the whole running out of time issue) | 01:42 |
| darkxst | jbicha, the easiest option would be to just rename the symbols in libtimezonemap so they don't conflict with g-c-c | 01:43 |
| jbicha | I had trouble looking up the symbols in g-c-c that matched the same names in libtimezonemap | 01:44 |
| darkxst | things like cc_timezone_location_new | 01:45 |
| jbicha | alternatively we could patch g-c-c's panel to use different function names right? | 01:45 |
| darkxst | well all the symbols have a cc_ prefix | 01:46 |
| darkxst | which makes sense for g-c-c, but not a standalone library | 01:46 |
| jbicha | I think I was grepping the wrong repository before because I didn't see matching functions | 01:49 |
| jbicha | is it possible for you get me a list of the date-time symbols g-c-c uses or show me how to make that list? | 01:50 |
| jbicha | I think GNOME will eventually fix https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702194 but it's not clear whether it will happen for 3.10 or sometime later | 01:51 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 702194 in Date and Time "make timezonemap a system library" [Major,Unconfirmed] | 01:52 |
| darkxst | its basically all the public symbols in cc-timezone-map.h | 01:55 |
| jbicha | gtk+3.0 finally migrated | 02:00 |
| darkxst | yes I noticed! | 02:01 |
| jbicha | it was a big headache but this was all that was needed: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145852087/notify-osd_0.9.35daily13.06.12-0ubuntu1_0.9.35%2B13.10.20130725-0ubuntu1.diff.gz | 02:03 |
| darkxst | oh i see, totally unrelated to gtk then | 02:11 |
| jbicha | yeah, new uploads now trigger autopkgtests for their rdepends, see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html | 02:12 |
| jbicha | like the gcc-4.8 upload | 02:13 |
| jbicha | notify-osd had actually been broken for a week already https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-notify-osd/ | 02:14 |
| jbicha | I'm thinking about bribing people to do gtk uploads for me next time :) | 02:16 |
| jbicha | like for instance I was glad Laney did the evolution 3.8 update and not me so I won't get blamed for any issues with it :) | 02:16 |
| darkxst | seems like a plan! | 03:10 |
| darkxst | jbicha, what do you think of the new wallpaper? | 03:33 |
| jbicha | I'm still on 3.8 so I haven't really used it yet | 03:42 |
| jbicha | I'm not sure whether it will be confusing to ship gnome-backgrounds 3.10 for Saucy when we will be 95% 3.8 but I am a bit tired of Stripes | 03:45 |
| jbicha | I'm ok now with us shipping a different wallpaper as default | 03:46 |
| jbicha | my wife likes the Ubuntu animals such as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cacomixtle_Ubunte%C3%B1o_by_Carlos_and_Paula_Morales.jpg | 03:49 |
| roasted | aw, Saucy isn't getting 3.10? | 03:50 |
| jbicha | roasted: GTK 3.10 will be rather disruptive like usual | 03:50 |
| roasted | dang, GTK isn't doing us any favors | 03:50 |
| roasted | they really need to stop doing that. | 03:51 |
| roasted | I don't recall seeing complaints from the KDE crowd with 4.9 vs 4.10, etc. :( | 03:51 |
| jbicha | darkxst: I know I should try it for myself but how well do the fancy new titlebars work with Unity/Ambiance? | 03:52 |
| jbicha | I expect the answer is badly https://bugzilla.gnome.org/702971 | 03:53 |
| ubot5 | Gnome bug 702971 in general "GtkHeaderBar - pick up window controls from the system settings" [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 03:53 |
| roasted | you wouldn't think a version bump within 3.x would be that bad | 03:53 |
| jbicha | seb128 really doesn't like all of these https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?qt=grep&q=deprecate | 03:55 |
| roasted | :( | 03:56 |
| jbicha | https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=fbbcb is disruptive but I expect Debian & Ubuntu will override that since it's easy to do and disabling it does more harm than good | 03:57 |
| jbicha | roasted: the new HeaderBar looks something like these screenshots: http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-weather-3-9-3/ | 03:59 |
| roasted | I was just reading an article about why there is such a severe lack in gtk3 themes | 04:00 |
| roasted | which seems largely due to gtk devs breaking compatibility with each release | 04:00 |
| roasted | sounds pretty... awesome :/ | 04:00 |
| jbicha | unfortunately the X is in the top right and GNOME doesn't care to make the window buttons customizable and of course they want to convert as many of their apps as possible to it | 04:00 |
| roasted | I hope gnome gets their act together with that. | 04:00 |
| jbicha | I like my X in the top left | 04:00 |
| roasted | You can only irritate users for so long | 04:00 |
| jbicha | the Ubuntu devs obviously can't use inconsistent stuff like that | 04:01 |
| roasted | hence their Qt move? | 04:02 |
| jbicha | yeah but I think they'd prefer using well-tested and fully featured stuff like Nautilus on the desktop | 04:03 |
| bjsnider | what advantage does the x on the left get you? | 04:04 |
| jbicha | if you read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings mpt clearly envisions using gnome-control-center (or a fork of it) on the desktop and not just ubuntu-system-settings | 04:04 |
| jbicha | bjsnider: for one I use Unity part of the time | 04:05 |
| jbicha | but it also makes it faster to close windows from the Activities Overview | 04:06 |
| jbicha | for opening or closing (fullscreen) windows I can just throw my pointer to the top left corner | 04:06 |
| jbicha | gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides button-layout 'close:' | 04:07 |
| bjsnider | well, you know what the gnome devs say, engage them in a spirited discussion (heated flame war) over the issue and convince them they're wrong | 04:09 |
| darkxst | jbicha, arent those wayland only though? | 04:19 |
| jbicha | darkxst: I don't think so but like I said I didn't try it yet, maybe tomorrow I'll try it out | 04:20 |
| darkxst | jbicha, right, they look a little odd w/ Ambiance but otherwise do work https://www.dropbox.com/s/9f6aezag334w7pd/Saucy%20-%203.9%20%40%202013-07-27%2014%3A27%3A04.png | 04:29 |
| darkxst | overview search box is busted in ambiance, btw | 04:30 |
| jbicha | but seb128 will see that as more than a "little odd", especially for core Ubuntu apps | 04:36 |
| jbicha | it solves a problem that was also solved by Unity's appmenu | 04:37 |
| darkxst | well apps don't automatically get it, I think | 04:38 |
| jbicha | apparently, gnome-control-center got it https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/log/?qt=grep&q=header | 04:40 |
| jbicha | it looks like nautilus doesn't yet but I expect they'll add it to a lot of apps | 04:41 |
| darkxst | gnome-control-center still has the old titlebar | 04:44 |
| darkxst | i.e. there are no window controls in the headerbar (yet) | 04:44 |
| jbicha | oh ok | 04:45 |
| jbicha | I like that listbox and libgd are now part of GTK 3.9 | 04:45 |
| darkxst | yeh, but its going to be a pain building 3.8 apps against 3.9/10 | 04:45 |
| jbicha | :( | 04:47 |
| darkxst | oh unity appmenu is broken also | 04:47 |
| jbicha | bug 1191345 ? | 04:48 |
| ubot5 | bug 1191345 in indicator-appmenu (Ubuntu) "all menu items are disabled with GTK 3.9.2" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1191345 | 04:48 |
| darkxst | yeh thats the one | 04:50 |
| darkxst | ricotz, hi | 06:46 |
| darkxst | ricotz, think its ok to loose the gdm fallback greeter (in saucy) | 06:50 |
| hombibi | Hi All, just broke my ubuntu-gnome installation with an standard "dist-upgrade", It removed "gnome-shell" and "ubuntu-gnome-desktop". Trying to get it reinstalled gives me the error "gnome-shell : Depends: libgdm (>= 3.5.90) but it is not installable). Anyone encountered this issue already? I can't find any reference with google. | 08:58 |
| darkxst | hombibi, raring or saucy? | 09:00 |
| hombibi | raring, gnome 3.8 | 09:00 |
| darkxst | right I probably broke it ... oops! | 09:02 |
| darkxst | hombibi, uploaded a fix, give it 10mins or so to build | 09:05 |
| hombibi | So quickly! Great. I'll check in 15 and revert with my experience. Thanks very much! | 09:06 |
| ricotz | darkxst, please testbuild things like gdm -- dont forget to add back consolekit support | 09:34 |
| hombibi | darkxst, my error message trying to reinstall "gnome-shell and ubuntu-gnome-desktop" remains the same: "gnome-shell : Depends: libgdm (>= 3.5.90) but it is not installable)". | 09:53 |
| hombibi | darkxst: "sudo apt-get install libgdm" returns "E: Package 'libgdm' has not installation candidate." | 09:58 |
| darkxst | hombibi, sorry build failed, I will check once I have had dinner | 10:18 |
| hombibi | :-) Enjoy dinner, Thanks. | 10:23 |
| darkxst | ricotz, yep pre-dinner brain-fade. Should be fixed now ... | 10:49 |
| Ponch0 | Hey guys another "partial-upgrade" that removed my desktop and is now unusable | 11:19 |
| Ponch0 | removed 4 packages, upgraded 3 | 11:19 |
| Ponch0 | whats up with that | 11:20 |
| darkxst | Ponch0, you shoud always check before doing a partial-upgrade | 11:26 |
| darkxst | if it looks like its removing important packages just wait | 11:26 |
| darkxst | Ponch0, that said should be fixed now, just reinstall gdm/gnome-shell | 11:28 |
| darkxst | hombibi, ^try again now | 11:29 |
| Ponch0 | got it, i should know. I'm a slow learner | 11:29 |
| darkxst | Ponch0, I would generally suggest avoiding the partial upgrade button ;) | 11:29 |
| Ponch0 | I get it when clicking software update. | 11:30 |
| darkxst | Ponch0, but there are two buttons right? | 11:30 |
| Ponch0 | I have 3 options, cancel, partial-upgrade or continue | 11:30 |
| darkxst | continue is 100% safe | 11:31 |
| Ponch0 | Got it now thank you. | 11:31 |
| darkxst | and I guess cancel is also pretty safe | 11:31 |
| darkxst | but partial-upgrade will sometime try to remove important packages | 11:31 |
| Ponch0 | hahah right. | 11:31 |
| darkxst | when dependencies don't work out | 11:31 |
| Ponch0 | Ok I should probably write this down for the future, how do I fix my issue now? | 11:32 |
| darkxst | Ponch0, sudo apt-get install gnome-shell gdm | 11:33 |
| Ponch0 | thank you. | 11:33 |
| darkxst | Ponch0, apt-get update, first of course | 11:34 |
| ricotz | darkxst, i see ;) | 11:38 |
| darkxst | ricotz, its been a long Sat. Should have just gone riding..... | 11:43 |
| hombibi | darkxst: installation now worked, rebooting, long wait at "init: failsafe main process killer by term signal" , then a blue screen with nothing for several minutes already. | 12:10 |
| darkxst | hombibi, logs? | 12:11 |
| darkxst | /var/log/gdm/:0* | 12:12 |
| hombibi | One sec, had to ssh in, can't get a terminal at all. | 12:14 |
| hombibi | darkxst: what do you need, all of it? or only the last greeter, slave and default log. | 12:16 |
| darkxst | start with the greeter (assuming there are no errors in the X log | 12:17 |
| hombibi | cat :0-greeter.log gnome-session[1860]: WARNING: Failed isActive call to ConsoleKit: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.24" (uid=114 pid=1860 comm="/usr/bin/gnome-session --autostart /usr/share/gdm/") interface="org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager" member="IsActive" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.21" (uid=0 pid=1728 comm="/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ") g | 12:20 |
| hombibi | darkxst: once more, the former was not complete | 12:22 |
| hombibi | darkxst: cat :0-greeter.log gnome-session[1860]: WARNING: Failed isActive call to ConsoleKit: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.24" (uid=114 pid=1860 comm="/usr/bin/gnome-session --autostart /usr/share/gdm/") interface="org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager" member="IsActive" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.21" (uid=0 pid=1728 comm="/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-da | 12:22 |
| hombibi | darkxst: limit on text length, you want me to post in parts? | 12:24 |
| hombibi | darkxst: or just the error messages. | 12:24 |
| darkxst | hombibi, paste.ubuntu.com | 12:25 |
| darkxst | ^i.e. put the whole log there | 12:27 |
| hombibi | darkxst: done. | 12:27 |
| darkxst | hombibi, link? | 12:28 |
| hombibi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5918193/ | 12:31 |
| darkxst | and that is off a clean reboot? | 12:32 |
| darkxst | hombibi, :0.log? | 12:35 |
| hombibi | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5918209/ | 12:36 |
| darkxst | (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory | 12:37 |
| hombibi | darkxst, the computer won't power down on sudo shutdown -r now, need to hold the powerbutton to power it of. | 12:37 |
| darkxst | that sounds like a kernel issue | 12:37 |
| hombibi | darkxst: thus not a clean boot. | 12:38 |
| darkxst | so force a clean boot, this doesnt seem related to gdm/shell updates | 12:39 |
| hombibi | darkxst: agreed, how do I force a clean boot: sync; sudo shutdown -P now ? | 12:43 |
| darkxst | sync; hard reset should be fine | 12:44 |
| darkxst | a.k.a reset button | 12:44 |
| hombibi | darkxst: gui is back. | 12:46 |
| darkxst | hombibi, good! because I am going now ;) | 12:47 |
| hombibi | Thank you very much for your help. | 12:47 |
| darkxst | np | 12:47 |
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