[01:39] <jbicha> darkxst: ping
[01:39] <darkxst> pong
[01:42] <jbicha> I'm curious how much you know about bug 1187981 and if there's some way you can think of that we can work around it
[01:42] <jbicha> I think it's the biggest blocker bug to getting g-c-c 3.8 in to Saucy (besides the whole running out of time issue)
[01:43] <darkxst> jbicha, the easiest option would be to just rename the symbols in libtimezonemap so they don't conflict with g-c-c
[01:44] <jbicha> I had trouble looking up the symbols in g-c-c that matched the same names in libtimezonemap
[01:45] <darkxst> things like cc_timezone_location_new
[01:45] <jbicha> alternatively we could patch g-c-c's panel to use different function names right?
[01:46] <darkxst> well all the symbols have a cc_ prefix
[01:46] <darkxst> which makes sense for g-c-c, but not a standalone library
[01:49] <jbicha> I think I was grepping the wrong repository before because I didn't see matching functions
[01:50] <jbicha> is it possible for you get me a list of the date-time symbols g-c-c uses or show me how to make that list?
[01:51] <jbicha> I think GNOME will eventually fix https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702194 but it's not clear whether it will happen for 3.10 or sometime later
[01:55] <darkxst> its basically all the public symbols in cc-timezone-map.h
[02:00] <jbicha> gtk+3.0 finally migrated
[02:01] <darkxst> yes I noticed!
[02:03] <jbicha> it was a big headache but this was all that was needed: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145852087/notify-osd_0.9.35daily13.06.12-0ubuntu1_0.9.35%2B13.10.20130725-0ubuntu1.diff.gz
[02:11] <darkxst> oh i see, totally unrelated to gtk then
[02:12] <jbicha> yeah, new uploads now trigger autopkgtests for their rdepends, see http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html
[02:13] <jbicha> like the gcc-4.8 upload
[02:14] <jbicha> notify-osd had actually been broken for a week already https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Saucy/view/AutoPkgTest/job/saucy-adt-notify-osd/
[02:16] <jbicha> I'm thinking about bribing people to do gtk uploads for me next time :)
[02:16] <jbicha> like for instance I was glad Laney did the evolution 3.8 update and not me so I won't get blamed for any issues with it :)
[03:10] <darkxst> seems like a plan!
[03:33] <darkxst> jbicha, what do you think of the new wallpaper?
[03:42] <jbicha> I'm still on 3.8 so I haven't really used it yet
[03:45] <jbicha> I'm not sure whether it will be confusing to ship gnome-backgrounds 3.10 for Saucy when we will be 95% 3.8 but I am a bit tired of Stripes
[03:46] <jbicha> I'm ok now with us shipping a different wallpaper as default
[03:49] <jbicha> my wife likes the Ubuntu animals such as https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cacomixtle_Ubunte%C3%B1o_by_Carlos_and_Paula_Morales.jpg
[03:50] <roasted> aw, Saucy isn't getting 3.10?
[03:50] <jbicha> roasted: GTK 3.10 will be rather disruptive like usual
[03:50] <roasted> dang, GTK isn't doing us any favors
[03:51] <roasted> they really need to stop doing that.
[03:51] <roasted> I don't recall seeing complaints from the KDE crowd with 4.9 vs 4.10, etc. :(
[03:52] <jbicha> darkxst: I know I should try it for myself but how well do the fancy new titlebars work with Unity/Ambiance?
[03:53] <jbicha> I expect the answer is badly https://bugzilla.gnome.org/702971
[03:53] <roasted> you wouldn't think a version bump within 3.x would be that bad
[03:55] <jbicha> seb128 really doesn't like all of these https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/?qt=grep&q=deprecate
[03:56] <roasted> :(
[03:57] <jbicha> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/commit/?id=fbbcb is disruptive but I expect Debian & Ubuntu will override that since it's easy to do and disabling it does more harm than good
[03:59] <jbicha> roasted: the new HeaderBar looks something like these screenshots: http://worldofgnome.org/gnome-weather-3-9-3/
[04:00] <roasted> I was just reading an article about why there is such a severe lack in gtk3 themes
[04:00] <roasted> which seems largely due to gtk devs breaking compatibility with each release
[04:00] <roasted> sounds pretty... awesome :/
[04:00] <jbicha> unfortunately the X is in the top right and GNOME doesn't care to make the window buttons customizable and of course they want to convert as many of their apps as possible to it
[04:00] <roasted> I hope gnome gets their act together with that.
[04:00] <jbicha> I like my X in the top left
[04:00] <roasted> You can only irritate users for so long
[04:01] <jbicha> the Ubuntu devs obviously can't use inconsistent stuff like that
[04:02] <roasted> hence their Qt move?
[04:03] <jbicha> yeah but I think they'd prefer using well-tested and fully featured stuff like Nautilus on the desktop
[04:04] <bjsnider> what advantage does the x on the left get you?
[04:04] <jbicha> if you read through https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SystemSettings mpt clearly envisions using gnome-control-center (or a fork of it) on the desktop and not just ubuntu-system-settings
[04:05] <jbicha> bjsnider: for one I use Unity part of the time
[04:06] <jbicha> but it also makes it faster to close windows from the Activities Overview
[04:06] <jbicha> for opening or closing (fullscreen) windows I can just throw my pointer to the top left corner
[04:07] <jbicha> gsettings set org.gnome.shell.overrides button-layout 'close:'
[04:09] <bjsnider> well,  you know what the gnome devs say, engage them in a spirited discussion (heated flame war) over the issue and convince them they're wrong
[04:19] <darkxst> jbicha, arent those  wayland only though?
[04:20] <jbicha> darkxst: I don't think so but like I said I didn't try it yet, maybe tomorrow I'll try it out
[04:29] <darkxst> jbicha, right, they look a little odd w/ Ambiance but otherwise do work https://www.dropbox.com/s/9f6aezag334w7pd/Saucy%20-%203.9%20%40%202013-07-27%2014%3A27%3A04.png
[04:30] <darkxst> overview search box is busted in ambiance, btw
[04:36] <jbicha> but seb128 will see that as more than a "little odd", especially for core Ubuntu apps
[04:37] <jbicha> it solves a problem that was also solved by Unity's appmenu
[04:38] <darkxst> well apps don't automatically get it, I think
[04:40] <jbicha> apparently, gnome-control-center got it https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/log/?qt=grep&q=header
[04:41] <jbicha> it looks like nautilus doesn't yet but I expect they'll add it to a lot of apps
[04:44] <darkxst> gnome-control-center still has the old titlebar
[04:44] <darkxst> i.e. there are no window controls in the headerbar (yet)
[04:45] <jbicha> oh ok
[04:45] <jbicha> I like that listbox and libgd are now part of GTK 3.9
[04:45] <darkxst> yeh, but its going to be a pain building 3.8 apps against 3.9/10
[04:47] <jbicha> :(
[04:47] <darkxst> oh unity appmenu is broken also
[04:48] <jbicha> bug 1191345 ?
[04:50] <darkxst> yeh thats the one
[06:46] <darkxst> ricotz, hi
[06:50] <darkxst> ricotz, think its ok to loose the gdm fallback greeter (in saucy)
[08:58] <hombibi> Hi All, just broke my ubuntu-gnome installation with an standard "dist-upgrade", It removed "gnome-shell" and "ubuntu-gnome-desktop". Trying to get it reinstalled gives me the error "gnome-shell : Depends: libgdm (>= 3.5.90) but it is not installable). Anyone encountered this issue already? I can't find any reference with google.
[09:00] <darkxst> hombibi, raring or saucy?
[09:00] <hombibi> raring, gnome 3.8
[09:02] <darkxst> right I probably broke it ... oops!
[09:05] <darkxst> hombibi, uploaded a fix, give it 10mins or so to build
[09:06] <hombibi> So quickly! Great. I'll check in 15 and revert with my experience. Thanks very much!
[09:34] <ricotz> darkxst, please testbuild things like gdm -- dont forget to add back consolekit support
[09:53] <hombibi> darkxst, my error message trying to reinstall "gnome-shell and ubuntu-gnome-desktop" remains the same: "gnome-shell : Depends: libgdm (>= 3.5.90) but it is not installable)".
[09:58] <hombibi> darkxst: "sudo apt-get install libgdm" returns "E: Package 'libgdm' has not installation candidate."
[10:18] <darkxst> hombibi, sorry build failed, I will check once I have had dinner
[10:23] <hombibi> :-) Enjoy dinner, Thanks.
[10:49] <darkxst> ricotz, yep pre-dinner brain-fade. Should be fixed now ...
[11:19] <Ponch0> Hey guys another "partial-upgrade" that removed my desktop and is now unusable
[11:19] <Ponch0> removed 4 packages, upgraded 3
[11:20] <Ponch0> whats up with that
[11:26] <darkxst> Ponch0, you shoud always check before doing a partial-upgrade
[11:26] <darkxst> if it looks like its removing important packages just wait
[11:28] <darkxst> Ponch0, that said should be fixed now, just reinstall gdm/gnome-shell
[11:29] <darkxst> hombibi, ^try again now
[11:29] <Ponch0> got it, i should know.  I'm a slow learner
[11:29] <darkxst> Ponch0, I would generally suggest avoiding the partial upgrade button ;)
[11:30] <Ponch0> I get it when clicking software update.
[11:30] <darkxst> Ponch0, but there are two buttons right?
[11:30] <Ponch0> I have 3 options, cancel, partial-upgrade or continue
[11:31] <darkxst> continue is 100% safe
[11:31] <Ponch0> Got it now thank you.
[11:31] <darkxst> and I guess cancel is also pretty safe
[11:31] <darkxst> but partial-upgrade will sometime try to remove important packages
[11:31] <Ponch0> hahah right.
[11:31] <darkxst> when dependencies don't work out
[11:32] <Ponch0> Ok I should probably write this down for the future, how do I fix my issue now?
[11:33] <darkxst> Ponch0, sudo apt-get install gnome-shell gdm
[11:33] <Ponch0> thank you.
[11:34] <darkxst> Ponch0, apt-get update, first of course
[11:38] <ricotz> darkxst, i see ;)
[11:43] <darkxst> ricotz, its been a long Sat. Should have just gone riding.....
[12:10] <hombibi> darkxst: installation now worked, rebooting, long wait at "init: failsafe main process killer by term signal" , then a blue screen with nothing for several minutes already.
[12:11] <darkxst> hombibi, logs?
[12:12] <darkxst> /var/log/gdm/:0*
[12:14] <hombibi> One sec, had to ssh in, can't get a terminal at all.
[12:16] <hombibi> darkxst: what do you need, all of it? or only the last greeter, slave and default log.
[12:17] <darkxst> start with the greeter (assuming there are no errors in the X log
[12:20] <hombibi> cat :0-greeter.log gnome-session[1860]: WARNING: Failed isActive call to ConsoleKit: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.24" (uid=114 pid=1860 comm="/usr/bin/gnome-session --autostart /usr/share/gdm/") interface="org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager" member="IsActive" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.21" (uid=0 pid=1728 comm="/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-daemon ") g
[12:22] <hombibi> darkxst: once more, the former was not complete
[12:22] <hombibi> darkxst: cat :0-greeter.log gnome-session[1860]: WARNING: Failed isActive call to ConsoleKit: Rejected send message, 2 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.24" (uid=114 pid=1860 comm="/usr/bin/gnome-session --autostart /usr/share/gdm/") interface="org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.Manager" member="IsActive" error name="(unset)" requested_reply="0" destination=":1.21" (uid=0 pid=1728 comm="/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon --no-da
[12:24] <hombibi> darkxst: limit on text length, you want me to post in parts?
[12:24] <hombibi> darkxst: or just the error messages.
[12:25] <darkxst> hombibi, paste.ubuntu.com
[12:27] <darkxst> ^i.e. put the whole log there
[12:27] <hombibi> darkxst: done.
[12:28] <darkxst> hombibi, link?
[12:31] <hombibi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5918193/
[12:32] <darkxst> and that is off a clean reboot?
[12:35] <darkxst> hombibi, :0.log?
[12:36] <hombibi> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5918209/
[12:37] <darkxst> (EE) open /dev/dri/card0: No such file or directory
[12:37] <hombibi> darkxst, the computer won't power down on sudo shutdown -r now, need to hold the powerbutton to power it of.
[12:37] <darkxst> that sounds like a kernel issue
[12:38] <hombibi> darkxst: thus not a clean boot.
[12:39] <darkxst> so force a clean boot, this doesnt seem related to gdm/shell updates
[12:43] <hombibi> darkxst: agreed, how do I force a clean boot: sync;  sudo shutdown -P now ?
[12:44] <darkxst> sync; hard reset should be fine
[12:44] <darkxst> a.k.a reset button
[12:46] <hombibi> darkxst: gui is back.
[12:47] <darkxst> hombibi, good! because I am going now ;)
[12:47] <hombibi> Thank you very much for your help.
[12:47] <darkxst> np