[01:39] <IdleOne> anybody awake?
[07:25] <Myrtti> charming
[18:55] <ikonia> wilee-nilee: is basically the random wheel of support spewer
[19:12] <avallark> why am i here?
[19:13] <ikonia> because I've forwarded you from the core ubuntu channel to the operator team channe
[19:13] <ikonia> channel
[19:13] <avallark> why was the question, i know what happened
[19:13] <ikonia> few reasons
[19:13] <ikonia> but basically to talk to you without disrupting the hcannel
[19:13] <ikonia> channel even
[19:14] <avallark> cool, are you going to fix my issue?
[19:14] <ikonia> no, not at all
[19:15] <avallark> awesome
[19:15] <ikonia> the first thing I wanted to talk to you about was your language
[19:15] <ikonia> if you could please keep the swearing out of the channel, it would be very much appreciated
[19:15] <ikonia> is that ok?
[19:16] <avallark> you know this is the first time i have been swearing.. its cos you've been ticking me off.. you took offense at a joke I started off with..
[19:16] <ikonia> you didn't make a joke
[19:16] <ikonia> please show me the joke ?
[19:17] <avallark> you are tiring.
[19:17] <ikonia> do you wish to resolve your ban in #ubuntu ?
[19:18] <ikonia> as I'm confused at why you swore because I ticked you off, when your first line in the channel was to call your laptop a "bitch" before anyone had spoken to you
[19:18] <avallark> is that that big a deal for you? I have so little energy left in me for banter
[19:18] <ikonia> ok, then lets leave it then and not bother
[19:19] <avallark> whats wrong with me calling my laptop a bitch .. actually i called it an over-sensitive bitch .. referring to the over sensitive touch pad i had
[19:19] <ikonia> it's rude, it's not polite, people read the channel from all ages and backgrounds
[19:19] <ikonia> I let it slide and asked you to tone it down
[19:19] <ikonia> you then said "what the fuck is this !!!!"
[19:19] <ikonia> so again, you come back with unacceptable language
[19:20] <ikonia> after I'd already asked you to tone it down please.
[19:21] <avallark> ok, girl, listen to me.. if you ban me, i ll just rotate ips and come back with a different id.. but i dont troll channels and for sure i dont follow people and annoy the hell out of them even though you are not an ops in #debian
[19:21] <ikonia> ok, then lets leave it here and you are banned
[19:21] <ikonia> not really interesting in negotiating threats
[19:22] <ikonia> please leave the channel
[19:22] <avallark> threats?
[19:22] <ikonia> yes, you've just threatened to try to evade the ban
[19:22] <avallark> what is wrong with you? got out of the wrong side of the bed?
[19:22] <ikonia> i'll make sure freenode staff are aware that you will use your account to break freenodes policy on bans
[19:22] <ikonia> lets leave it there,
[19:23] <avallark> no i wont, i dont care much, am just an ordinary user trying to get his machine working.. and you just wasted so much of my time cos you do not understand a joke.. its people like you who freightens people away from linux..
[19:23] <ikonia> ok, sure
[19:23] <ikonia> please leave the channel
[19:25] <Myrtti> it would actually be beneficial if you'd try to assume good faith and good intentions, avallark. We expect people to behave in a certain way, respectful, mature, clean and concise way. Foul language and name-calling of any kind isn't generally tolerated on any Ubuntu IRC channel.
[19:26] <avallark> see, you do not know me, i do not use foul language.. what she is complaining about was a joke..
[19:26] <avallark> ask khmar
[19:26] <ikonia> 20:26 < avallark> but now that i am working (mba shit) i needed to get my
[19:27] <ikonia> considering you don't use foul language, you sure use it a lot
[19:28] <avallark> and who was offended by that?
[19:28] <ikonia> me
[19:28] <Myrtti> avallark: the thing is, #ubuntu is a support channel, and since people come from different cultures, ages etc, such 'jokes' are often misinterpreted
[19:28] <Myrtti> and so we kindly ask people to refer making them
[19:29] <avallark> Myrtti: understood. That was a nice and polite way to make people understand. thank you.
[19:31] <avallark> on #ubuntu , i'd be careful. thanks
[19:37] <IdleOne> avallark: At this time the ban is going to stay in place. Please part this channel.
[19:37] <avallark> cool mate :)
[19:37] <avallark> how come you cant kick me out of this channel?
[19:37] <avallark> :D
[19:38] <IdleOne> Because I can ask you nicely. There is no reason to add to the problem by...nevermind
[19:38] <avallark> oh
[19:38] <avallark> sorry..
[19:38] <IdleOne> Because I can ask you nicely. There is no reason to add to the problem by forcing you to leave
[19:38] <avallark> i just wanted to see what happens if i join #ubuntu
[19:38] <avallark> i see i end up here..
[19:38] <avallark> sorry
[19:39] <LjL> chu: ^ ;(
[19:39] <ikonia> ha ha ha
[19:39] <chu> Oh man :(
[19:39] <IdleOne> I didn't want to say anything but LOL
[19:39] <chu> Least he's not an #emacs'er
[19:40] <IdleOne> want I should let him know about the channel?
[19:40] <chu> Damnit, he joined.
[19:40] <bazhang> emacs has a channel? whatever for?
[19:40] <chu> Oh well.
[19:40] <IdleOne> I swear it wasn't me
[19:41] <bazhang> VIM I can understand...
[19:41] <IdleOne> troll detected ^
[19:41] <IdleOne> :P
[19:43] <avallark> hello guys.. I just came in to have a word with ikonia
[19:43] <ikonia> avallark: then you can send me a message
[19:43] <ikonia> this channel isn't a chat channel
[19:44] <avallark> do you know how to chat a private chat?
[19:44] <avallark> if so please do
[19:44] <ikonia> ????
[19:44] <ikonia> I'm not going to start a random private chat with you
[19:44] <IdleOne> avallark: either /msg nick or /query nick
[19:45] <ikonia> ooh I see
[19:45] <ikonia> you're asking how to do it
[20:06] <ikonia> avallark: please /part the channel now
[21:44] <bazhang> bit rot!
[21:44] <bazhang> fresh install!
[22:12] <ikonia> would someone consider speaking to nannes
[22:13] <ikonia> his advice is a disaster and it's actually just random bad advice
[22:13] <ikonia> I've pulled him up on it already so would rather someone else did this time
[22:15] <ikonia> hey nannes
[22:16] <nannes> ikonia: what's wrong now?
[22:16] <nannes> I cannot express my opiunity?ut nions abo
[22:16] <ikonia> I'd just really like you to consider the advice you're giving
[22:16] <nannes> *my opinions about unity
[22:16] <ikonia> it's not really very well thought through and has more serious implications to peoples systems
[22:17] <ikonia> if you could really think about what you are saying / advising before advising it and really try to help the user with their problem to a working solution, I'd very very much appreciate it
[22:18] <ikonia> nannes: do you know what I'm refering to ?
[22:18] <nannes> that's what I'm doing
[22:18] <nannes> I know what you're refering to
[22:18] <ikonia> you're really not
[22:18] <ikonia> 23:06 < ubuntucrashes> hello all
[22:18] <ikonia> 23:07 < ubuntucrashes> my ubuntu 12.04 lts freezes very freuently
[22:18] <ikonia> 23:07 < nannes> ubuntucrashes: throw unity to the trash. Switch to another DE
[22:19] <ikonia> please tell me how you worked out unity was the problem in under 20 seconds and advise him to drop unity to resolve his problem
[22:20] <nannes> yeah, that's right, maybe it was too quick. But just because I've been solving so many problems with users and spending so much time finding, at the end, that the problem was unity
[22:20] <ikonia> sorry that's just nonsense
[22:20] <ikonia> he's given no information, and you've just told him it's unity - dum pit
[22:20] <nannes> But after that, I asked him something to understand better his problem
[22:20] <ikonia> you've not done any investigation
[22:20] <ikonia> it's not good
[22:20] <nannes> it's not all black or white ikonia
[22:21] <nannes> read how I continued the support
[22:21] <ikonia> it is black and white
[22:21] <ikonia> you told him to remove unity with no reason or troubleshooting
[22:21] <ikonia> in the same way you give this advice to someone
[22:21] <ikonia> 18:58 < nannes> Gnjurac: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[22:21] <ikonia> that's going to cause a conflict
[22:21] <ikonia> you then give the correct URL
[22:21] <ikonia> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/32bit_and_64bit#How_to_Make_32-bit_Applications_Work_on_a_64-bit_Operating_System
[22:21] <ikonia> but at that point the damage is done
[22:22] <ikonia> he's already done the bad advice
[22:22] <ikonia> that's why I'm asking you to stop - think, get the information and then make a reasonable comment to help the user
[22:22] <nannes> yeah
[22:22] <ikonia> rather than this scatter gun random approach and then try to tidy up
[22:22] <ikonia> it can't really continue like this, you're doing more harm than good.
[22:23] <ikonia> if you don't know the answer, it's ok to not comment.
[22:23] <nannes> anyway, please read the rest:
[22:23] <nannes> (23:09:12) nannes: ubuntucrashes: so it happens only when browsing?
[22:23] <nannes> (23:09:35) ubuntucrashes: often yes
[22:23] <nannes> (23:10:03) nannes: what are the others situations it freezes, except while browsing the web?
[22:23] <ikonia> I'm not interested in the rest
[22:23] <ikonia> you've already done the damage
[22:23] <nannes> ikonia: ok I'm sorry I admit I exaggerated
[22:23] <ikonia> it's not a problem
[22:24] <nannes> but believe me, there's a reason behind
[22:24] <ikonia> I'm sorry there is no reason
[22:24] <nannes> anyway, I'll try to care more
[22:24] <ikonia> you've just made up a problem - there is no reason for that
[22:24] <ikonia> you just gave out terrible/dangerous instructions - there is no reason for that
[22:24] <ikonia> but that would be great if you could apply more thought
[22:24] <ikonia> it would be most welcome and appreciated
[22:24] <nannes> I've already answered
[22:24] <ikonia> yes, and I'm confirming and thanking you
[22:25] <nannes> I can go now, see you. Hopefully not in this chan, cause it would mean something got wrong
[22:25] <ikonia> not always
[22:25] <ikonia> if you need something clarifying, just ask in here
[22:25] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu-ops nannes giving terrible / dangerous advice in #ubuntu, asked to stop and confirmed he would