[00:00] madness [00:00] xD [00:00] there's actually no way to run it without the interactive command line [00:00] (most game servers have an internactive command line, too) [00:00] am I forgiven for using screen now? :P [00:01] i suppose [00:01] woo \o/ [00:01] it's still horrible though [00:01] ali1234: I never said the game servers were written well ;) [00:01] ali1234: if you want some real cringe, you know minecraft servers use like 4GB of RAM, right? [00:01] sure, so what? [00:01] so...terrible [00:02] minecraft is going to be memory hungry by it's nature [00:02] ali1234: someone rewrote the entire minecraft server in python using twisted [00:02] it used like, <100MB [00:02] not when they loaded the level it didn't [00:02] yes, it did. [00:02] i don't belieeeeeeeve it [00:02] I ran it, it was cool [00:02] I was hoping it'd take over. [00:03] was that minetest? [00:03] so I have byobu my server is on now, how do I keep it on when I close an terminate the putty [00:03] ali1234: no, it was called bravo, it's an actual rewrite [00:03] minetest was a rewrite [00:03] in C++ though i think [00:03] like, you could connect using the standard minecraft client [00:03] oh, nice [00:04] the idea was seamless replacement of the server, twisted async processing for everything, distributed chunk processing, run your game server in the cloud [00:04] quite possibly the most awesome code I've ever seen. [00:04] Azelphur, me ? [00:04] HoT|2fC^: sorry, we're on a different subject, I dunno how to use byobu so can't be much help on that [00:04] I dont host srcds, or anything like minecraft. [00:04] :( ok ok [00:05] I could help with screen, but I think ali1234 is helping you with byobu :) [00:05] doom3 is pretty close to srcd [00:05] i don't know byobu either, only screen [00:05] but basically you run byobu [00:05] then you run doom3 [00:05] then you close putty [00:05] that's it [00:05] ah, might as well use screen then [00:05] byobu used to be screen [00:05] now it is tmux [00:06] they are virtually the same thing to start with [00:06] ah I seee ok ok [00:06] HoT|2fC^: screen keeps processes open inside "screens", so you can come back to them later [00:06] so its that simple ? [00:06] and byobu is as different again anyway [00:06] HoT|2fC^: just for the sake of argument, if you're running minecraft, you'd do something like [00:06] yes, it is that simple [00:06] screen -S minecraft java -jar minecraft.jar [00:06] ok I will try now :) [00:06] :o [00:06] Azelphur do I need to type that? [00:06] which is, create a screen called "minecraft", and inside it run "java -jar minecraft.jar" [00:07] HoT|2fC^: no, you need to read what I'm saying and try to understand it :) [00:07] ok :) [00:07] Azelphur: don't you wwant to run it in detatched mode? [00:07] ali1234: we'll get to detaching. [00:07] haha [00:07] he's struggling, information overload and all that. [00:07] :) [00:07] carry on [00:07] :} [00:07] HoT|2fC^: what server are you running? [00:09] ali1234: I just looked at the bravo website, they are back zomgwtfbbq http://bravoserver.org/ [00:09] Azelphur, as in OS? [00:09] ali1234: and they are all like hey, we made it 60 times faster, because, we're awesome. [00:09] Azelphur, I run Ubuntu server 12.04.2 LTS and currently hosting Doom3 dedicated. [00:09] HoT|2fC^: ah, so doom3 is what you're running [00:09] 1.3.1 [00:09] how do you usually start your doom3 server? [00:09] I mean, the command [00:10] I have to do cd /usr/local/games/doom3 [00:10] ./doom3-dedicated +set fs_game base +exec server.cfg [00:10] ok [00:10] and it starts! but if I close it.. [00:10] it goes :( [00:10] so lets run that inside screen [00:10] ok can I do that now its open already? [00:10] screen -S doom3 ./doom3-dedicated +set fs_game base +exec server.cfg [00:10] I have 4 players on [00:10] ah ok I see [00:10] creates a screen called "doom3" and runs the server in it [00:11] lets try :) [00:11] HoT|2fC^: no, you can't, It's kinda difficult to do it with an already running process. [00:11] ok I will tell them to get lost lol [00:11] haha [00:11] an tell them come back :D [00:11] they on last game now so should be ok I will wait :) [00:11] righto [00:11] HoT|2fC^: the rest of it is that with a process running in screen, you can just close the terminal and it'll stay running [00:12] if you ssh back in and want to go back to your doom3 server [00:12] you can just go back to your doom3 screen you created with screen -r doom3 [00:12] so I just type screen -r doom3 [00:12] and, if you want to exit out of a screen back to the command line, hold ctrl, press a then d, release ctrl [00:12] screen can do lots of stuff, but that's the 3 minute crash course :P [00:12] nice :) thanks man :D [00:13] would I not need to do cd /usr/local/games/doom3 then [00:13] as the screens remembered it [00:13] so the thing about minecraft memory usage is that each chunk is 16x16x256 = 65536 blocks. each block has at least 2 bytes of data associated with it (type and damage) so that's 128K per chunk. it loads several thousand chunks on a server with more than one player [00:13] HoT|2fC^: you only need to be in that directory to start the server :) [00:14] ok :) [00:14] the lower bound for 1 player is something like 256mb, and that's a massively conservative estimate [00:14] ali1234: yea, bravo was sensible, it loaded chunks in a circle rather than a square [00:14] that makes almost no difference at all :P [00:15] lies? [00:15] you're loading significantly less chunks [00:15] difference between area of a circle and area of a square? [00:15] ali1234: when the circle fits inside the square, yes. [00:15] plus I'd expect sphere rather than cube which saves even more [00:16] more than cube vs cylindar [00:16] diddledan: nah, chunks are 16x16x256 so no spheres. [00:16] it's pi*r^2 vs 2^2*r^2 [00:16] aww [00:16] in other words pi/4 [00:16] but yea, long story short, bravo was pretty crazy [00:17] so you save less than 1/4 memory using a circle instead of a square [00:17] * Azelphur shrugs [00:17] using a sphere is impractical if, say, you fall down a hole [00:18] it couldn't load the chunks fast enough [00:18] good point [00:18] yea [00:18] it would be a far better optimization though [00:18] you get this behaviour with jetpack mods [00:18] you just fly through nothing as the world loads behind you [00:18] lol [00:18] you get that in second life too :) [00:18] or at least i always did [00:18] although, I remember bravo fixed that too [00:19] it'd load the chunks in your view range first. [00:19] ;) [00:19] yeah i remember they tried to implement that in minecraft about 3 times [00:19] by view range I mean field of view. [00:19] i don't know if they ever made it work properly [00:19] I loved the distributed nature of it though [00:20] minecraft is not a brilliant example of well designed code [00:20] 1000 people on a minecraft server would be epic [00:20] but it's not terrible bad either [00:20] as games go [00:20] and considering what it has to do [00:20] hehe [00:20] what about that starforge alpha? [00:21] ahh Azelphur it worked! so now I have left the SSH (Server) an its online with players still so there happy :) [00:21] iphone has loads of imitation minecraft-style apps now [00:21] HoT|2fC^: yw :) [00:21] ali1234: dunno :P [00:21] starforge has... not blocky grahics though [00:22] so to SSH back to that screen I do the following, screen -r doom3 [00:22] like hills are actually smoothed [00:22] but you can still dig them up [00:23] wow I screened it back in thats awesome Azelphur :D [00:24] I would like it if I could have my server spawn/startup on system boot! [00:24] you can cheat that kind of smoothness - make the smoothing entirely client-side but still use cubic blocks server-side [00:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pXWEzPULjms&t=293 [00:25] HoT|2fC^: the (ugly) way to do that is with cron [00:25] ali1234: will probably chastise me for this [00:25] type crontab -e and add this line [00:25] Azelphur: is that hard to do ? [00:25] ok [00:26] @reboot cd /usr/local/games/doom3 && screen -d -S doom3 ./doom3-dedicated +set fs_game base +exec server.cfg [00:26] should do it [00:26] I'm a good sysadmin, honest :< [00:26] i keep seeing that lately [00:26] i didn't even know cron could do that [00:27] nice one Azelphur :D [00:28] I entered that in the line an hit enter... then Ctrl + Z ? [00:28] or X [00:28] one of the 2 [00:28] ctrl + x to save and exit in nano, assuming you're using nano. [00:28] So it should boot at start up? an if I do screen -d doom3 it will work [00:28] ali1234: yea, it's handy :) [00:28] HoT|2fC^: screen -r doom3, but yea. [00:28] yeah -r sorry :) [00:28] -d means detach :) [00:28] nice nice [00:28] -d death :D [00:29] :D [00:30] hehe [01:07] nnnnnnnnn [01:07] Thanks for help! [01:24] yawn [08:14] Morning everyone! [08:14] A good day to stay inside: http://estofex.org/ [08:55] good morning everyone, [08:55] morning, brobostigon [08:55] morning MartijnVdS [08:57] 31, today, old bastard now, i am, :) [09:00] brobostigon: congratifications! :) [09:00] brobostigon: I'll be 33 in a few months, you can't complain :P [09:00] thank you MartijnVdS :) [09:01] shurrup, young types [09:01] neuro: yes mr grampa sir [09:01] MartijnVdS: very true, yes. [09:01] * neuro will be 40 in march :P [09:02] MartijnVdS: /me prefers grumpy old man tbh [09:02] * neuro is on hold with Yodel [09:02] bloody delivery guy "attempted delivery" 35 mins ago but no card through the door [09:02] so if i wasn't proactively checking the tracking, i wouldn't know they've dinged the delivery to monday [09:03] there was a good comedy sketch band, jasper carrott invented, the old farts, very funny. [09:03] neuro: I have the delivery guy's phone number, and he has mine. That helps a LOT ;) [09:03] and this 0800 phone call has cost me a quid so far [09:08] crap [09:08] they don't do redeliveries [09:08] "the delivery man has other parcels he has to deliver today" [09:08] well woop de doo! [09:08] and why didn't he leave a card to say he had been? [09:08] "i don't know, sir" [09:08] good stuff [09:10] well that's my day up the spout [09:20] wow.. it's starting to get dark already [09:22] clouds, rain clouds. it will rain on my birthday, :( [09:23] brobostigon: we're going to have an epic thunderstorm here in ~30 minutes [09:23] according to the radar [09:23] oh dear, but will be good, clear the moggy air out abit. [09:26] brobostigon: http://buienradar.nl/bliksem-1-uur [09:26] MartijnVdS: oh dear, doesnt look very nice. [09:27] every yellow "+" is a lightning discharge (either in-cloud or to-ground) [09:27] ah. [09:30] getting some beautiful photos of the approaching front :) [09:33] :) [09:34] my dad got me a good card, making a joke on me being moody and comparison to gordon ramsey. [11:55] Storm pics! https://plus.google.com/photos/100189567362844794281/albums/5905252629649517761 [12:12] looks pretty epic, MartijnVdS [12:13] dwatkins_: it was a bit underwhelming irl [12:13] dwatkins_: just a lot of rain and 3 thunderclaps [12:14] aw shame, we had thunder and lightning on Tuesday here in Edinburgh === dwatkins_ is now known as dwatkins [12:14] strange, I'm banned on #openbsd despite not doing anything [12:14] perhaps because of that [12:15] hi everyone, I just setup openvpn access to my office, but it can not solve the cname, only can access it by ip address, I been told I need to add dns to somewhere. my question, how do I find the dns server ip, and where I add to ? 'resolve.conf' file ? [12:19] songtao: the OpenVPN server van push that, and if it does, it should work automatically [12:19] songtao: as long as you're using the "networkmanager openvpn plugin" (network-manager-openvpn-gnome) [12:20] songtao: you can also add extra DNS servers/search domains on the "IPv4 settings" page [12:20] MartijnVds, thanks for your reply, I just download the client.ovpn file. it all be configed, I think [12:20] (for that specific VPN connection) [12:20] songtao: if you're using the Ubuntu desktop, you shuold consider using that plugin [12:20] songtao: as it integrates a lot better with the rest of the system :) [12:21] martinVds, thanks, I will try it now [12:21] songtao: you'll have to read client.ovpn and put the settings in manually, unfortunately.. but that's not very hard (hardest bit is copying the certificates to their own files) [12:22] oh wait [12:22] apparently, you can import [12:22] ttp://askubuntu.com/questions/187511/how-can-i-use-a-ovpn-file-with-network-manager [12:22] ha, already installed [12:22] songtao: http://askubuntu.com/questions/187511/how-can-i-use-a-ovpn-file-with-network-manager explains everything you need to know [12:22] thank you so much, the link is exactly I am looking for [12:25] oh dear, got new phone today, first thing i installed, ingress, i must be so sad. [12:25] brobostigon: uh oh, green or blue? :) [12:26] MartijnVdS: blue. [12:26] brobostigon: same as my co-workers :) [12:26] MartijnVdS: :) [12:26] * MartijnVdS never played it [12:26] ah. [12:27] i fully intend to grab the portal over my favorite pub, and link it to my other one. [12:28] make a bigger control field. [12:28] brobostigon: one of my co-workers goes for nightly bike-rides through his town to level up 8-) [12:28] MartijnVdS: ah. :) [12:29] in android 4.2, is there a way to completly kill all background data, not just auto-aync and that stuff ? [12:31] brobostigon: Settings -> Data usage -> Menu -> Limit background data [12:32] brobostigon: that + disabling sync should kill mobile data unless you're actively looking at the screen [12:32] MartijnVdS: thank you. :) [12:32] ah [12:32] brobostigon: which phone did you get? [12:33] MartijnVdS: my dad surprised me this morning, with a galaxy nexus, didnt even ask or anything, abit older, but runs modern android fine. [12:34] brobostigon: you can even flash it up to 4.3 if you want [12:34] MartijnVdS: yep, :) [12:34] * MartijnVdS has one too [12:34] ah. [12:35] i wasnt even really planning a new phone, so, it is ok with me, and a good upgrade up from my htc dream, :) [12:36] Yeah, that's a good upgrade :) [12:36] it should feel a lot snappier too [12:36] yep :) [12:36] oh yes. by a million miles. [12:37] i wouldnt have minded a nexus4, but a galaxy nexus is all good with me. [12:44] hmm. need to remember how to erase parts of a gimp layer to reveal the layer below [12:44] mungbean: using a mask [12:44] mungbean: Shift+Q [12:44] (bottom left of the image -> QuickMask) [12:44] mungbean: paint it with the "invisible" colour [12:45] so i have 4 layers [12:45] my boy jumping on the sofa [12:46] i decide which is the "top layer" [12:46] go to layers -> add alpha channel? [12:46] on every layer? [12:46] then use the eraser tool? [12:46] on every layer you want to be (partially) transparent [12:46] ok cheers [12:47] done this before, but with gimp i forget between efforts [12:49] do i have to merge the layers down each time i work on a new layer? [12:49] mungbean: no, you can just keep it layered [12:50] mungbean: actions are done on the currently selected layer(s) [12:50] oh yes, thanks muchly [13:18] thanks martin, sorted :D [13:18] \o/ [13:25] http://i.imgur.com/HWtO4jd.jpg MartijnVdS << [13:25] Clones! [13:25] Attack of the & [13:26] next thing on my list for today, booze up tonight, with friends. :) [13:27] mungbean: or quadruplets? [13:28] normal life with a toddler [13:34] mungbean: ah, slow shutter time? :P [13:41] Afternoon all! [13:41] popey: hellos! [13:45] heya [13:45] afternoonings popey [13:46] my word these newer laptop BIOS's can be slippery [13:47] just managed, i think, to convince one to boot win7 in legacy mode despite having all the markings of a UEFI only beast :) [13:52] daftykins: uh.. yay? [13:53] yeah, reinstalling a system for a friends gran [13:53] £249.99 Asus X55C laptop [13:53] lets just say legacy mode is easier for me... [13:54] \o/ no jetlag [13:54] popey: wow [13:55] managed to get some kip on the plane [13:55] that's always useful [13:55] oddly the same person was sat next to me on the way back as on the way out [13:55] popey: NSA plant, following you? [13:55] hah, she worked for EMC [13:55] so maybe [13:56] the shrubbery was the giveaway [14:00] brobostigon: btw, you can go to the "Data usage" screen and see which app uses/used background data, and disable it specifically for that app [14:01] brobostigon: if the global setting too, well, global :) [14:01] MartijnVdS: data isnt the issue, i have no fup unlimited data, bettery usage was more my worry. [14:04] brobostigon: ah.. that's best on wifi actually (weird but true) [14:04] MartijnVdS: yep, i have seen various things myself on that one. [14:07] so just turning off auto-sync will provide sufficant battery saving ? [14:08] brobostigon: I have auto-sync on, and I can go just over a day with a single charge [14:08] brobostigon: but I never do, because I charge it almost everywhere (home, car, office) [14:08] MartijnVdS: wow, ok, thats a huge improvemnt over 2.3 on my dream. [14:09] If I set it to airplane mode before going to sleep, I can make it 2 "waking" days [14:09] thats pretty good. [14:10] brobostigon: I also have this for longer trips: http://www.voltaicsystems.com/fuse4w.shtml [14:11] brobostigon: but usually I go to hotels, which tend to have proper power :) [14:11] nice bit of kit, :) [14:11] it's a solar-powered battery ;) [14:11] :) [14:12] they also have larger ones to charge laptops [14:13] cool. [15:02] edge funding has stalled now > 700 :( [15:11] mungbean: it's also the weekend [15:28] prey installed on new phone, good. much better now. [15:29] prey? [15:30] it is tracking software, so if my phone goes missing, i can sms it, and it comes alive, and tells me where it is, and can takes pictures via the cameras and such things. [15:30] ah [15:30] it also disables lock screen, so it cant be uncloked and such thing also. [15:31] doesn't that need root? and doesn't it eat battery? [15:31] when it runs yes, but not in itself, it is idle, untill i sms it. [15:42] Today's fail: discovering, after going outside, that my new shoes fit almost as well on the wrong feet as they do the correct way [15:43] XD [15:43] good work mgdm [16:37] wth do I have a linkedin connect request from a Vicar [16:37] so he can judge your every word [16:38] because you haven't added a procmail rule to make linkedin disappear :) [16:39] well, I might be on the lookout, so ... [17:10] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AuG9vig38I [17:10] is there a way of telling android and fixinf which 3g band it uses, which is stronger insted of it contantly searching around ? [17:11] brobostigon: it automatically picks the stronger one I think [17:11] MartijnVdS: it isnt doing that, is is switching between 3g and hsdpa all the time, and isnt staying still. [17:12] brobostigon: that's expected [17:12] brobostigon: it switches to "H" when there's data traffic, then back to "3G" when it's idle [17:12] MartijnVdS: i just did a battery test, and it showed 34% within signal, [17:12] without* [17:13] brobostigon: in the "About phone" pages (Status) you can see what kind of network it's currently connected to [17:13] yes, hspa. [17:14] It switches HSPA+/UMTS for me, and the switching up coincides with data traffic [17:14] hmm, [17:14] I think it's a battery thing [17:15] HSPA costs more battery to run, but you can send shorter bursts (higher speed) [17:15] i want to stop it from switching, as it is showing 34% without signal. which uses loads of battery, [17:15] brobostigon: just charge it 100%, then walk around with it disconnected one day, and look in the "Battery" page in the settings [17:15] that's the most accurate way of telling what's eating your battery [17:15] MartijnVdS: that test will be tonight. [17:16] in mobile network setting, i just noticed a "enable always on mobile data" [17:17] brobostigon: disabling that disables lots of other things [17:18] MartijnVdS: however ownt it solve the problem ? [17:18] actually, if it's the top option in the menu, it disables *all* mobile data [17:18] so it'll do calls and SMS and wifi, but no 2G/3G data [17:18] data is enabled at the top of that menu. [17:18] brobostigon: believe me, the people writing Android know about battery issues, the defaults are quite good [17:20] MartijnVdS: yes, i would agree. however didnt you say, it will switch back when n odata is being used, now wont keeping data on all the time avoid that problem, therefore avoid that time without signal and the resulting battery uage ? [17:20] keeping data on is no problem [17:20] so it wont swtich back and forth anymore? [17:21] of course it will [17:21] if there's data to transfer, it'll scale up [17:21] then, when the data is done transfering, it scales back to a less battery-hungry state [17:21] like the CPU in a laptop, basically [17:22] ok, thank you MartijnVdS. need to get moving, meeting my friends for birthday beer. :) [17:22] if you're encoding a video, it spins up to full speed, if you're just IRCing, it's at minimum speed doing almost nothing [17:23] ok, bye bye, [17:23] bye? [17:23] birthday beer with friends. [17:23] 7pm, in half an hour. [17:23] and need to get ready still. [17:24] ah, IRL birthday party :) [17:24] yes, :) [17:24] Bye! [17:24] bye, o/ [17:31] happy birthday brobostigon [17:32] what would be writing over 20mb to the HDD per minute, and how do I stop it so I can go back to my work holiday? :( - I don't know if it's possible to expand server partition size? [17:32] Monotoko: iotop will tell you [17:32] Monotoko: maybe logs? [17:32] Monotoko: for some crashing & auto-restarting daemon? [17:36] MartijnVdS, looks like clamav was writing a lot... [17:36] under the freshclam process [17:36] killing that made it stop [17:36] Monotoko: that's virus definitions [17:36]