[00:00] <ali1234> madness
[00:00] <Azelphur> xD
[00:00] <Azelphur> there's actually no way to run it without the interactive command line
[00:00] <Azelphur> (most game servers have an internactive command line, too)
[00:00] <Azelphur> am I forgiven for using screen now? :P
[00:01] <ali1234> i suppose
[00:01] <Azelphur> woo \o/
[00:01] <ali1234> it's still horrible though
[00:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: I never said the game servers were written well ;)
[00:01] <Azelphur> ali1234: if you want some real cringe, you know minecraft servers use like 4GB of RAM, right?
[00:01] <ali1234> sure, so what?
[00:01] <Azelphur> so...terrible
[00:02] <ali1234> minecraft is going to be memory hungry by it's nature
[00:02] <Azelphur> ali1234: someone rewrote the entire minecraft server in python using twisted
[00:02] <Azelphur> it used like, <100MB
[00:02] <ali1234> not when they loaded the level it didn't
[00:02] <Azelphur> yes, it did.
[00:02] <ali1234> i don't belieeeeeeeve it
[00:02] <Azelphur> I ran it, it was cool
[00:02] <Azelphur> I was hoping it'd take over.
[00:03] <ali1234> was that minetest?
[00:03] <HoT|2fC^> so I have byobu my server is on now, how do I keep it on when I close an terminate the putty
[00:03] <Azelphur> ali1234: no, it was called bravo, it's an actual rewrite
[00:03] <ali1234> minetest was a rewrite
[00:03] <ali1234> in C++ though i think
[00:03] <Azelphur> like, you could connect using the standard minecraft client
[00:03] <ali1234> oh, nice
[00:04] <Azelphur> the idea was seamless replacement of the server, twisted async processing for everything, distributed chunk processing, run your game server in the cloud
[00:04] <Azelphur> quite possibly the most awesome code I've ever seen.
[00:04] <HoT|2fC^> Azelphur, me ?
[00:04] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: sorry, we're on a different subject, I dunno how to use byobu so can't be much help on that
[00:04] <HoT|2fC^> I dont host srcds, or anything like minecraft.
[00:04] <HoT|2fC^> :( ok ok
[00:05] <Azelphur> I could help with screen, but I think ali1234 is helping you with byobu :)
[00:05] <ali1234> doom3 is pretty close to srcd
[00:05] <ali1234> i don't know byobu either, only screen
[00:05] <ali1234> but basically you run byobu
[00:05] <ali1234> then you run doom3
[00:05] <ali1234> then you close putty
[00:05] <ali1234> that's it
[00:05] <Azelphur> ah, might as well use screen then
[00:05] <ali1234> byobu used to be screen
[00:05] <ali1234> now it is tmux
[00:06] <ali1234> they are virtually the same thing to start with
[00:06] <HoT|2fC^> ah I seee ok ok
[00:06] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: screen keeps processes open inside "screens", so you can come back to them later
[00:06] <HoT|2fC^> so its that simple ?
[00:06] <ali1234> and byobu is as different again anyway
[00:06] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: just for the sake of argument, if you're running minecraft, you'd do something like
[00:06] <ali1234> yes, it is that simple
[00:06] <Azelphur> screen -S minecraft java -jar minecraft.jar
[00:06] <HoT|2fC^> ok I will try now :)
[00:06] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[00:06] <HoT|2fC^> Azelphur do I need to type that?
[00:06] <Azelphur> which is, create a screen called "minecraft", and inside it run "java -jar minecraft.jar"
[00:07] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: no, you need to read what I'm saying and try to understand it :)
[00:07] <HoT|2fC^> ok :)
[00:07] <ali1234> Azelphur: don't you wwant to run it in detatched mode?
[00:07] <Azelphur> ali1234: we'll get to detaching.
[00:07] <ali1234> haha
[00:07] <Azelphur> he's struggling, information overload and all that.
[00:07] <Azelphur> :)
[00:07] <ali1234> carry on
[00:07] <HoT|2fC^> :}
[00:07] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: what server are you running?
[00:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: I just looked at the bravo website, they are back zomgwtfbbq http://bravoserver.org/
[00:09] <HoT|2fC^> Azelphur, as in OS?
[00:09] <Azelphur> ali1234: and they are all like hey, we made it 60 times faster, because, we're awesome.
[00:09] <HoT|2fC^> Azelphur, I run Ubuntu server 12.04.2 LTS and currently hosting Doom3 dedicated.
[00:09] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: ah, so doom3 is what you're running
[00:09] <HoT|2fC^> 1.3.1
[00:09] <Azelphur> how do you usually start your doom3 server?
[00:09] <Azelphur> I mean, the command
[00:10] <HoT|2fC^> I have to do cd /usr/local/games/doom3
[00:10] <HoT|2fC^> ./doom3-dedicated +set fs_game base +exec server.cfg
[00:10] <Azelphur> ok
[00:10] <HoT|2fC^> and it starts! but if I close it..
[00:10] <HoT|2fC^> it goes :(
[00:10] <Azelphur> so lets run that inside screen
[00:10] <HoT|2fC^> ok can I do that now its open already?
[00:10] <Azelphur> screen -S doom3 ./doom3-dedicated +set fs_game base +exec server.cfg
[00:10] <HoT|2fC^> I have 4 players on
[00:10] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok I see
[00:10] <Azelphur> creates a screen called "doom3" and runs the server in it
[00:11] <HoT|2fC^> lets try :)
[00:11] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: no, you can't, It's kinda difficult to do it with an already running process.
[00:11] <HoT|2fC^> ok I will tell them to get lost lol
[00:11] <Azelphur> haha
[00:11] <HoT|2fC^> an tell them come back :D
[00:11] <HoT|2fC^> they on last game now so should be ok I will wait :)
[00:11] <Azelphur> righto
[00:11] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: the rest of it is that with a process running in screen, you can just close the terminal and it'll stay running
[00:12] <Azelphur> if you ssh back in and want to go back to your doom3 server
[00:12] <Azelphur> you can just go back to your doom3 screen you created with screen -r doom3
[00:12] <HoT|2fC^> so I just type screen -r doom3
[00:12] <Azelphur> and, if you want to exit out of a screen back to the command line, hold ctrl, press a then d, release ctrl
[00:12] <Azelphur> screen can do lots of stuff, but that's the 3 minute crash course :P
[00:12] <HoT|2fC^> nice :) thanks man :D
[00:13] <HoT|2fC^> would I not need to do cd /usr/local/games/doom3 then
[00:13] <HoT|2fC^> as the screens remembered it
[00:13] <ali1234> so the thing about minecraft memory usage is that each chunk is 16x16x256 = 65536 blocks. each block has at least 2 bytes of data associated with it (type and damage) so that's 128K per chunk. it loads several thousand chunks on a server with more than one player
[00:13] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: you only need to be in that directory to start the server :)
[00:14] <HoT|2fC^> ok :)
[00:14] <ali1234> the lower bound for 1 player is something like 256mb, and that's a massively conservative estimate
[00:14] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, bravo was sensible, it loaded chunks in a circle rather than a square
[00:14] <ali1234> that makes almost no difference at all :P
[00:15] <Azelphur> lies?
[00:15] <Azelphur> you're loading significantly less chunks
[00:15] <ali1234> difference between area of a circle and area of a square?
[00:15] <Azelphur> ali1234: when the circle fits inside the square, yes.
[00:15] <diddledan> plus I'd expect sphere rather than cube which saves even more
[00:16] <diddledan> more than cube vs cylindar
[00:16] <Azelphur> diddledan: nah, chunks are 16x16x256 so no spheres.
[00:16] <ali1234> it's pi*r^2 vs 2^2*r^2
[00:16] <diddledan> aww
[00:16] <ali1234> in other words pi/4
[00:16] <Azelphur> but yea, long story short, bravo was pretty crazy
[00:17] <ali1234> so you save less than 1/4 memory using a circle instead of a square
[00:17]  * Azelphur shrugs
[00:17] <ali1234> using a sphere is impractical if, say, you fall down a hole
[00:18] <ali1234> it couldn't load the chunks fast enough
[00:18] <diddledan> good point
[00:18] <Azelphur> yea
[00:18] <ali1234> it would be a far better optimization though
[00:18] <Azelphur> you get this behaviour with jetpack mods
[00:18] <Azelphur> you just fly through nothing as the world loads behind you
[00:18] <diddledan> lol
[00:18] <ali1234> you get that in second life too :)
[00:18] <ali1234> or at least i always did
[00:18] <Azelphur> although, I remember bravo fixed that too
[00:19] <Azelphur> it'd load the chunks in your view range first.
[00:19] <Azelphur> ;)
[00:19] <ali1234> yeah i remember they tried to implement that in minecraft about 3 times
[00:19] <Azelphur> by view range I mean field of view.
[00:19] <ali1234> i don't know if they ever made it work properly
[00:19] <Azelphur> I loved the distributed nature of it though
[00:20] <ali1234> minecraft is not a brilliant example of well designed code
[00:20] <Azelphur> 1000 people on a minecraft server would be epic
[00:20] <ali1234> but it's not terrible bad either
[00:20] <ali1234> as games go
[00:20] <ali1234> and considering what it has to do
[00:20] <Azelphur> hehe
[00:20] <ali1234> what about that starforge alpha?
[00:21] <HoT|2fC^> ahh Azelphur it worked! so now I have left the SSH (Server) an its online with players still so there happy :)
[00:21] <diddledan> iphone has loads of imitation minecraft-style apps now
[00:21] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: yw :)
[00:21] <Azelphur> ali1234: dunno :P
[00:21] <ali1234> starforge has... not blocky grahics though
[00:22] <HoT|2fC^> so to SSH back to that screen I do the following, screen -r doom3
[00:22] <ali1234> like hills are actually smoothed
[00:22] <ali1234> but you can still dig them up
[00:23] <HoT|2fC^> wow I screened it back in thats awesome Azelphur :D
[00:24] <HoT|2fC^> I would like it if I could have my server spawn/startup on system boot!
[00:24] <diddledan> you can cheat that kind of smoothness - make the smoothing entirely client-side but still use cubic blocks server-side
[00:25] <ali1234> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pXWEzPULjms&t=293
[00:25] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: the (ugly) way to do that is with cron
[00:25] <Azelphur> ali1234: will probably chastise me for this
[00:25] <Azelphur> type crontab -e and add this line
[00:25] <HoT|2fC^> Azelphur: is that hard to do ?
[00:25] <HoT|2fC^> ok
[00:26] <Azelphur> @reboot cd /usr/local/games/doom3 && screen -d -S doom3 ./doom3-dedicated +set fs_game base +exec server.cfg
[00:26] <Azelphur> should do it
[00:26] <Azelphur> I'm a good sysadmin, honest :<
[00:26] <ali1234> i keep seeing that lately
[00:26] <ali1234> i didn't even know cron could do that
[00:27] <HoT|2fC^> nice one Azelphur :D
[00:28] <HoT|2fC^> I entered that in the line an hit enter... then Ctrl + Z ?
[00:28] <HoT|2fC^> or X
[00:28] <HoT|2fC^> one of the 2
[00:28] <Azelphur> ctrl + x to save and exit in nano, assuming you're using nano.
[00:28] <HoT|2fC^> So it should boot at start up? an if I do screen -d doom3 it will work
[00:28] <Azelphur> ali1234: yea, it's handy :)
[00:28] <Azelphur> HoT|2fC^: screen -r doom3, but yea.
[00:28] <HoT|2fC^> yeah -r sorry :)
[00:28] <Azelphur> -d means detach :)
[00:28] <HoT|2fC^> nice nice
[00:28] <HoT|2fC^> -d death :D
[00:29] <HoT|2fC^> :D
[00:30] <Azelphur> hehe
[01:07] <HoT|2fC^> nnnnnnnnn
[01:07] <HoT|2fC^> Thanks for help!
[01:24] <diddledan> yawn
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> Morning everyone!
[08:14] <MartijnVdS> A good day to stay inside: http://estofex.org/
[08:55] <brobostigon> good morning everyone,
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> morning, brobostigon
[08:55] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[08:57] <brobostigon> 31, today, old bastard now, i am, :)
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: congratifications! :)
[09:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I'll be 33 in a few months, you can't complain :P
[09:00] <brobostigon> thank you MartijnVdS :)
[09:01] <neuro> shurrup, young types
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> neuro: yes mr grampa sir
[09:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: very true, yes.
[09:01]  * neuro will be 40 in march :P
[09:02] <neuro> MartijnVdS: /me prefers grumpy old man tbh
[09:02]  * neuro is on hold with Yodel
[09:02] <neuro> bloody delivery guy "attempted delivery" 35 mins ago but no card through the door
[09:02] <neuro> so if i wasn't proactively checking the tracking, i wouldn't know they've dinged the delivery to monday
[09:03] <brobostigon> there was a good comedy sketch band, jasper carrott invented, the old farts, very funny.
[09:03] <MartijnVdS> neuro: I have the delivery guy's phone number, and he has mine. That helps a LOT ;)
[09:03] <neuro> and this 0800 phone call has cost me a quid so far
[09:08] <neuro> crap
[09:08] <neuro> they don't do redeliveries
[09:08] <neuro> "the delivery man has other parcels he has to deliver today"
[09:08] <neuro> well woop de doo!
[09:08] <neuro> and why didn't he leave a card to say he had been?
[09:08] <neuro> "i don't know, sir"
[09:08] <neuro> good stuff
[09:10] <neuro> well that's my day up the spout
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> wow.. it's starting to get dark already
[09:22] <brobostigon> clouds, rain clouds. it will rain on my birthday, :(
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: we're going to have an epic thunderstorm here in ~30 minutes
[09:23] <MartijnVdS> according to the radar
[09:23] <brobostigon> oh dear, but will be good, clear the moggy air out abit.
[09:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: http://buienradar.nl/bliksem-1-uur
[09:26] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: oh dear, doesnt look very nice.
[09:27] <MartijnVdS> every yellow "+" is a lightning discharge (either in-cloud or to-ground)
[09:27] <brobostigon> ah.
[09:30] <MartijnVdS> getting some beautiful photos of the approaching front :)
[09:33] <brobostigon> :)
[09:34] <brobostigon> my dad got me a good card, making a joke on me being moody and comparison to gordon ramsey.
[11:55] <MartijnVdS> Storm pics! https://plus.google.com/photos/100189567362844794281/albums/5905252629649517761
[12:12] <dwatkins_> looks pretty epic, MartijnVdS
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins_: it was a bit underwhelming irl
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> dwatkins_: just a lot of rain and 3 thunderclaps
[12:14] <dwatkins_> aw shame, we had thunder and lightning on Tuesday here in Edinburgh
[12:14] <dwatkins> strange, I'm banned on #openbsd despite not doing anything
[12:14] <dwatkins> perhaps because of that
[12:15] <songtao> hi everyone, I just setup openvpn access to my office, but it can not solve the cname, only can access it by ip address, I been told I need to add dns to somewhere. my question, how do I find the dns server ip, and where I add to ? 'resolve.conf' file ?
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> songtao: the OpenVPN server van push that, and if it does, it should work automatically
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> songtao: as long as you're using the "networkmanager openvpn plugin" (network-manager-openvpn-gnome)
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> songtao: you can also add extra DNS servers/search domains on the "IPv4 settings" page
[12:20] <songtao> MartijnVds,  thanks for your reply, I just download the client.ovpn file. it all be configed, I think
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> (for that specific VPN connection)
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> songtao: if you're using the Ubuntu desktop, you shuold consider using that plugin
[12:20] <MartijnVdS> songtao: as it integrates a lot better with the rest of the system :)
[12:21] <songtao> martinVds, thanks, I will try it now
[12:21] <MartijnVdS> songtao: you'll have to read client.ovpn and put the settings in manually, unfortunately.. but that's not very hard (hardest bit is copying the certificates to their own files)
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> oh wait
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> apparently, you can import
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> ttp://askubuntu.com/questions/187511/how-can-i-use-a-ovpn-file-with-network-manager
[12:22] <songtao> ha, already installed
[12:22] <MartijnVdS> songtao: http://askubuntu.com/questions/187511/how-can-i-use-a-ovpn-file-with-network-manager explains everything you need to know
[12:22] <songtao> thank you so much, the link is exactly I am looking for
[12:25] <brobostigon> oh dear, got new phone today, first thing i installed, ingress, i must be so sad.
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: uh oh, green or blue? :)
[12:26] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: blue.
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: same as my co-workers :)
[12:26] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: :)
[12:26]  * MartijnVdS never played it
[12:26] <brobostigon> ah.
[12:27] <brobostigon> i fully intend to grab the portal over my favorite pub, and link it to my other one.
[12:28] <brobostigon> make a bigger control field.
[12:28] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: one of my co-workers goes for nightly bike-rides through his town to level up 8-)
[12:28] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: ah. :)
[12:29] <brobostigon> in android 4.2, is there a way to completly kill all background data, not just auto-aync and that stuff ?
[12:31] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: Settings -> Data usage -> Menu -> Limit background data
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: that + disabling sync should kill mobile data unless you're actively looking at the screen
[12:32] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: thank you. :)
[12:32] <brobostigon> ah
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: which phone did you get?
[12:33] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: my dad surprised me this morning, with a galaxy nexus, didnt even ask or anything, abit older, but runs modern android fine.
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: you can even flash it up to 4.3 if you want
[12:34] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep, :)
[12:34]  * MartijnVdS has one too
[12:34] <brobostigon> ah.
[12:35] <brobostigon> i wasnt even really planning a new phone, so, it is ok with me, and a good upgrade up from my htc dream, :)
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> Yeah, that's a good upgrade :)
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> it should feel a lot snappier too
[12:36] <brobostigon> yep :)
[12:36] <brobostigon> oh yes. by a million miles.
[12:37] <brobostigon> i wouldnt have minded a nexus4, but a galaxy nexus is all good with me.
[12:44] <mungbean> hmm. need to remember how to erase parts of a gimp layer to reveal the layer below
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: using a mask
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: Shift+Q
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> (bottom left of the image -> QuickMask)
[12:44] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: paint it with the "invisible" colour
[12:45] <mungbean> so i have 4 layers
[12:45] <mungbean> my boy jumping on the sofa
[12:46] <mungbean> i decide which is the "top layer"
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> go to layers -> add alpha channel?
[12:46] <mungbean> on every layer?
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> then use the eraser tool?
[12:46] <MartijnVdS> on every layer you want to be (partially) transparent
[12:46] <mungbean> ok cheers
[12:47] <mungbean> done this before, but with gimp i forget between efforts
[12:49] <mungbean> do i have to merge the layers down each time i work on a new layer?
[12:49] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: no, you can just keep it layered
[12:50] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: actions are done on the currently selected layer(s)
[12:50] <mungbean> oh yes, thanks muchly
[13:18] <mungbean> thanks martin, sorted :D
[13:18] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[13:25] <mungbean> http://i.imgur.com/HWtO4jd.jpg MartijnVdS <<
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> Clones!
[13:25] <MartijnVdS> Attack of the &
[13:26] <brobostigon> next thing on my list for today, booze up tonight, with friends. :)
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: or quadruplets?
[13:28] <mungbean> normal life with a toddler
[13:34] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: ah, slow shutter time? :P
[13:41] <popey>  Afternoon all!
[13:41] <MartijnVdS> popey: hellos!
[13:45] <daftykins> heya
[13:45] <brobostigon> afternoonings popey
[13:46] <daftykins> my word these newer laptop BIOS's can be slippery
[13:47] <daftykins> just managed, i think, to convince one to boot win7 in legacy mode despite having all the markings of a UEFI only beast :)
[13:52] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: uh.. yay?
[13:53] <daftykins> yeah, reinstalling a system for a friends gran
[13:53] <daftykins> £249.99 Asus X55C laptop
[13:53] <daftykins> lets just say legacy mode is easier for me...
[13:54] <popey> \o/ no jetlag
[13:54] <MartijnVdS> popey: wow
[13:55] <popey> managed to get some kip on the plane
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> that's always useful
[13:55] <popey> oddly the same person was sat next to me on the way back as on the way out
[13:55] <MartijnVdS> popey: NSA plant, following you?
[13:55] <popey> hah, she worked for EMC
[13:55] <popey> so maybe
[13:56] <shauno> the shrubbery was the giveaway
[14:00] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: btw, you can go to the "Data usage" screen and see which app uses/used background data, and disable it specifically for that app
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: if the global setting too, well, global :)
[14:01] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: data isnt the issue, i have no fup unlimited data, bettery usage was more my worry.
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: ah.. that's best on wifi actually (weird but true)
[14:04] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yep, i have seen various things myself on that one.
[14:07] <brobostigon> so just turning off auto-sync will provide sufficant battery saving ?
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I have auto-sync on, and I can go just over a day with a single charge
[14:08] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: but I never do, because I charge it almost everywhere (home, car, office)
[14:08] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: wow, ok, thats a huge improvemnt over 2.3 on my dream.
[14:09] <MartijnVdS> If I set it to airplane mode before going to sleep, I can make it 2 "waking" days
[14:09] <brobostigon> thats pretty good.
[14:10] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: I also have this for longer trips: http://www.voltaicsystems.com/fuse4w.shtml
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: but usually I go to hotels, which tend to have proper power :)
[14:11] <brobostigon> nice bit of kit, :)
[14:11] <MartijnVdS> it's a solar-powered battery ;)
[14:11] <brobostigon> :)
[14:12] <MartijnVdS> they also have larger ones to charge laptops
[14:13] <brobostigon> cool.
[15:02] <mungbean> edge funding has stalled now > 700 :(
[15:11] <MartijnVdS> mungbean: it's also the weekend
[15:28] <brobostigon> prey installed on new phone, good. much better now.
[15:29] <MartijnVdS> prey?
[15:30] <brobostigon> it is tracking software, so if my phone goes missing, i can sms it, and it comes alive, and tells me where it is, and can takes pictures via the cameras and such things.
[15:30] <MartijnVdS> ah
[15:30] <brobostigon> it also disables lock screen, so it cant be uncloked and such thing also.
[15:31] <MartijnVdS> doesn't that need root? and doesn't it eat battery?
[15:31] <brobostigon> when it runs yes, but not in itself, it is idle, untill i sms it.
[15:42] <mgdm> Today's fail: discovering, after going outside, that my new shoes fit almost as well on the wrong feet as they do the correct way
[15:43] <daftykins> XD
[15:43] <daftykins> good work mgdm
[16:37] <penguin42> wth do I have a linkedin connect request from a Vicar
[16:37] <daftykins> so he can judge your every word
[16:38] <shauno> because you haven't added a procmail rule to make linkedin disappear :)
[16:39] <penguin42> well, I might be on the lookout, so ...
[17:10] <MartijnVdS> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AuG9vig38I
[17:10] <brobostigon> is there a way of telling android and fixinf which 3g band it uses, which is stronger insted of it contantly searching around ?
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it automatically picks the stronger one I think
[17:11] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: it isnt doing that, is is switching between 3g and hsdpa all the time, and isnt staying still.
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: that's expected
[17:12] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: it switches to "H" when there's data traffic, then back to "3G" when it's idle
[17:12] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: i just did a battery test, and it showed 34% within signal,
[17:12] <brobostigon> without*
[17:13] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: in the "About phone" pages (Status) you can see what kind of network it's currently connected to
[17:13] <brobostigon> yes, hspa.
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> It switches HSPA+/UMTS for me, and the switching up coincides with data traffic
[17:14] <brobostigon> hmm,
[17:14] <MartijnVdS> I think it's a battery thing
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> HSPA costs more battery to run, but you can send shorter bursts (higher speed)
[17:15] <brobostigon> i want to stop it from switching, as it is showing 34% without signal. which uses loads of battery,
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: just charge it 100%, then walk around with it disconnected one day, and look in the "Battery" page in the settings
[17:15] <MartijnVdS> that's the most accurate way of telling what's eating your battery
[17:15] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: that test will be tonight.
[17:16] <brobostigon> in mobile network setting, i just noticed a "enable always on mobile data"
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: disabling that disables lots of other things
[17:18] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: however ownt it solve the problem ?
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> actually, if it's the top option in the menu, it disables *all* mobile data
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> so it'll do calls and SMS and wifi, but no 2G/3G data
[17:18] <brobostigon> data is enabled at the top of that menu.
[17:18] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: believe me, the people writing Android know about battery issues, the defaults are quite good
[17:20] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: yes, i would agree. however didnt you say, it will switch back when n odata is being used, now wont keeping data on all the time avoid that problem, therefore avoid that time without signal and the resulting battery uage ?
[17:20] <MartijnVdS> keeping data on is no problem
[17:20] <brobostigon> so it wont swtich back and forth anymore?
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> of course it will
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> if there's data to transfer, it'll scale up
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> then, when the data is done transfering, it scales back to a less battery-hungry state
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> like the CPU in a laptop, basically
[17:22] <brobostigon> ok, thank you MartijnVdS. need to get moving, meeting my friends for birthday beer. :)
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> if you're encoding a video, it spins up to full speed, if you're just IRCing, it's at minimum speed doing almost nothing
[17:23] <brobostigon> ok, bye bye,
[17:23] <MartijnVdS> bye?
[17:23] <brobostigon> birthday beer with friends.
[17:23] <brobostigon> 7pm, in half an hour.
[17:23] <brobostigon> and need to get ready still.
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> ah, IRL birthday party :)
[17:24] <brobostigon> yes, :)
[17:24] <MartijnVdS> Bye!
[17:24] <brobostigon> bye, o/
[17:31] <mgdm> happy birthday brobostigon
[17:32] <Monotoko> what would be writing over 20mb to the HDD per minute, and how do I stop it so I can go back to my work holiday? :( - I don't know if it's possible to expand server partition size?
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: iotop will tell you
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: maybe logs?
[17:32] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: for some crashing & auto-restarting daemon?
[17:36] <Monotoko> MartijnVdS, looks like clamav was writing a lot...
[17:36] <Monotoko> under the freshclam process
[17:36] <Monotoko> killing that made it stop
[17:36] <MartijnVdS> Monotoko: that's virus definitions
[17:36] <Monotoko> (and I've removed old rotated logs to clear up space)
[17:37] <Monotoko> MartijnVdS, where are those stored? /etc?
[17:37] <MartijnVdS>  /var somewhere I guess
[17:37] <MartijnVdS> /var/lib/clamav is my guess
[17:38] <Monotoko> should probably get /var onto another partition...
[19:01] <bigcalm> Good evening peeps :)
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> \o bigcalm
[19:05] <bigcalm> Why can I never remember how to run an ssh tunnel?
[19:05] <penguin42> bigcalm: Well, its' -L or -R with a bunch of parameters in some random order
[19:05] <bigcalm> :D
[19:06] <shauno> I probably couldn't do it off the top of my head either.  I have the ones I use in my .ssh/config, and there they stay
[19:06] <penguin42> on +1 watch out for stuff getting mounted as /media/username/mountpoint rather than /media/mountpoint - it confuses everything but is probably the right thing to do
[19:10] <bigcalm> Bah
[19:10] <bigcalm> Even running a ssh tunnel to a server that I know can access PB still causes my ISP to block the site locally
[19:11] <bigcalm> Unless I'm running the command incorrectly
[19:12] <shauno> depends what they're blocking where.  if you, eg, send http traffic over a socks proxy at the other end of the ssh tunnel, but dns requests are going straight out of your network as normal, you're trusting them not to interfere with those dns requests
[19:12] <bigcalm> Ah
[19:13] <shauno> or it could be something simple like not actually using the socks proxy at the other end of the tunnel :)
[19:14] <shauno> (if you google "what's my IP", google actually answers now, which is handy and intuitive.  if that answers with your normal address, it'd be a huge red flag)
[19:14] <bigcalm> I was trying to use the ssh tunnel for 1 specific host and port
[19:15]  * bigcalm gives up and goes back to sleep
[19:16] <shauno> there should be other ways to test.  eg, I keep saying socks because that's what I use; my socksd logs connections on the server, so that log would tell me whether I'm even connecting to it or not
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> http://meteox.com/h.aspx?r=&jaar=-3&soort=loop1uur&lightning=1
[20:07] <HoT|2fC^> Evening all :) hope all is well.
[20:08] <HoT|2fC^> I am trying to put files on my Ubuntu Server over WinSCP, but it will not let me copy to /home/username/files/ :(
[20:08] <HoT|2fC^> what do I need to type to give me write permissions so I can copy file over.
[20:09] <mgdm> are you logging in as the same user?
[20:09] <HoT|2fC^> yeah
[20:09] <HoT|2fC^> on WInSCP?
[20:10] <mgdm> aye
[20:10] <mgdm> that's weird
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> what is ?
[20:10] <mgdm> have you made the directory already? Who is it owned by?
[20:10] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[20:11] <HoT|2fC^> yeah just made /files/
[20:11] <HoT|2fC^> mkdir in ser over ssh
[20:11] <HoT|2fC^> in home/user/
[20:12] <mgdm> do 'ls -al' in /home/user and paste it, maybe?
[20:12] <HoT|2fC^> owner is root
[20:12] <HoT|2fC^> wth
[20:13] <mgdm> ah, change that - sudo chown -R user:user files
[20:13] <HoT|2fC^> n1
[20:15] <HoT|2fC^> mmm says root still weird
[20:16] <HoT|2fC^> ok sorted
[20:21] <mgdm> HoT|2fC^: is it behaving now?
[20:22] <HoT|2fC^> mgdm: yes thanks its working now :)
[20:23] <HoT|2fC^> I have FTP woooo so I can back up off here now ... just need some SCSI drives for the server! :D
[20:23] <HoT|2fC^> seen some 146GB ones cheap on ebay and new also with the correct scsi bays ;) by Conpaq
[20:23] <HoT|2fC^> Compaq*
[20:24] <mgdm> cool
[20:25] <shauno> I'm ditching my SAS drives for ssd in the near future
[20:25] <HoT|2fC^> mgdm, should I use SFTP port forwarding ? instead of just FTP!
[20:25] <HoT|2fC^> ah nice nice :)
[20:26] <HoT|2fC^> I want to access ftp any where an to do so id need to port forward my router!
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: just use passive mode?
[20:26] <MartijnVdS> sftp uses the ssh protocol
[20:26] <HoT|2fC^> true
[20:26] <shauno> if you can get away with using sftp rather than ftp, I would.  it's so much cleaner when it comes to forwarding
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> You don't want to use FTP, as it's insecure and not encrypted.
[20:27] <shauno> (besides the obvious advantage of not having cleartext passwords)
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> which means passwords and data can be sniffed.
[20:27] <HoT|2fC^> I have on my router now SFTP
[20:27] <HoT|2fC^> 117?
[20:27] <HoT|2fC^> 115 port number sorry
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: What do you want to accomplish?
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: do you want to upload files to the server?
[20:27] <HoT|2fC^> MartijnVdS: yes
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: do you want the server to upload files to somewhere else?
[20:27] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: use sftp or scp, port 22 (ssh)
[20:28] <HoT|2fC^> MartijnVdS: ok :)
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: for security, also install "fail2ban" which blocks the remote host if authentication fails 5 times
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: (this blocks password-guessing hack robots)
[20:28] <shauno> 115 isn't ssh's sftp.  it's another service that's also named sftp, just to make life interesting
[20:28] <HoT|2fC^> ooo nice
[20:28] <HoT|2fC^> how do I install that MartijnVdS
[20:28] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: apt-get install fail2ban
[20:28] <HoT|2fC^> nice
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: remember, installing == apt-get install -- man apt-get:)
[20:29] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[20:29] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: reading manuals == good practice, helps you remember, because you know why things are the way they are :)
[20:30] <HoT|2fC^> how do I configure now ?
[20:30] <HoT|2fC^> true :D
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: the default installation is already configured
[20:30] <HoT|2fC^> So it bans them perm?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: you can tune it with files in /etc/fail2ban -- also read the manpage and /usr/share/doc/fail2ban/*
[20:31] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: The documentation explains it all. Please read it?
[20:31] <HoT|2fC^> for now is it ok :o
[20:31] <HoT|2fC^> ok
[20:32] <HoT|2fC^> do I read it via nano?
[20:32] <HoT|2fC^> damn lol
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: nah, I'd use "less"
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: "man" also uses less
[20:33] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: and, again: man less ;)
[20:34] <HoT|2fC^> :}
[20:41] <HoT|2fC^> how can I get in FTP now outside the network ?
[20:42] <HoT|2fC^> I have portforwarded ftp
[20:43] <daftykins> ?
[20:43] <daftykins> FTP port 21 tends to be the control port only, you typically need to specify a data range of ports (e.g. 1024 to 1030) then forward them too and specify them in your FTP server
[20:44] <HoT|2fC^> mmm
[20:44] <HoT|2fC^> I dont get last bit :/
[20:44] <penguin42> ftp port forwarding is a pain; you're sure you want ftp....
[20:45] <HoT|2fC^> penguin42, why is it ?
[20:45] <daftykins> HoT|2fC^: http://slacksite.com/other/ftp.html
[20:45] <HoT|2fC^> I do yeah, but why would it be a pain :/
[20:45] <daftykins> because of what i'm telling you, you need to edit your config a lot and add more ports ;D
[20:45] <daftykins> SFTP/SCP on the other hand would be just one port
[20:46] <HoT|2fC^> daftykins, wow how many ports I need to open? would I need to custom port opening?
[20:46] <HoT|2fC^> or use SFTP/SCP/ Etc..
[20:47] <daftykins> see where i talked about 1024:1030 ?
[20:47] <daftykins> that's an example.
[20:47] <daftykins> what are you actually trying to achieve?
[20:47] <daftykins> just being able to get stuff from home when you're out and about?
[20:47] <HoT|2fC^> yes daftykins
[20:47] <HoT|2fC^> music etc
[20:47] <daftykins> yeah install openssh-server and forward port 22 then - it'll be encrypted then \o/
[20:48] <HoT|2fC^> what you mean ? I have openssh-server on my server
[20:48] <HoT|2fC^> and I have port forward 21-22 :D
[20:48] <HoT|2fC^> under FTP
[20:48] <daftykins> 21 is FTP, 22 is SSH
[20:49] <daftykins> so then use an SFTP client instead when you're out and about
[20:49] <HoT|2fC^> ah I see I have SSH 22 here
[20:49] <HoT|2fC^> and FTP as 21-22
[20:49] <daftykins> ...
[20:49] <HoT|2fC^> ah ok
[20:49] <daftykins> there's only one 22 available on the internet side of the router :)
[20:50] <HoT|2fC^> :o
[20:53] <daftykins> so you can only forward port 22 to *one* destination PC behind your router
[20:53] <HoT|2fC^> ah I see
[20:55] <daftykins> so yeah give that a go instead of FTP
[20:56] <daftykins> FTP's too insecure really for over the interwebs
[21:08] <GentileBen> So use SFTP!!
[21:08] <GentileBen> Or just VPN in.
[21:10] <ali1234> thing is, unix based technologies aren't going to help you much if you're a windows user. not unless you know a great deal about how they both work
[21:10] <ali1234> better to find some solution that is windows based, if you use windows
[21:13] <daftykins> http://i.imgur.com/Lht1eSd.png
[21:15] <daftykins> 1.6GB/sec sequential reads? yes please
[21:15] <daftykins> er 1.8*
[21:55] <penguin42> daftykins: Off what?
[21:56] <daftykins> a friends new work server's 6 x 2TB SAS in RAID6, fronted by a pair of Intel cache SSDs
[22:04] <penguin42> ok right
[22:04] <daftykins> :)
[22:19] <daftykins> ah-har, so THATS why the Windows MSRT keeps running twice on peoples systems
[22:19] <daftykins> silly Microsoft
[22:28] <penguin42> ?
[22:32] <daftykins> during the monthly patch tuesday updates, the Malicious Software Removal Tool is the monthly one that's basically a big fat script to remove malicious software
[22:32] <daftykins> to try and cull Windows boxes of being part of botnets etc
[22:32] <daftykins> but for some reason July's ran twice
[22:32] <daftykins> turns out it ran two different versions
[22:37] <penguin42> hah I didn't realise they ran a malware remover in the updates
[22:37] <daftykins> yep :)
[23:01] <penguin42> frankly it's not a bad move - I mean trying to run a software updater on a system full of malware ain't going to be pretty
[23:02] <daftykins> indeed
[23:02] <daftykins> in fact there was that time when a service pack bricked Windows installs that had a specific malware on them
[23:03] <penguin42> yeh I have sympathy with that