| popey | So it turns out I do have jetlag after all | 03:38 |
|---|---|---|
| ali1234 | i have permanent jetlag | 03:44 |
| ali1234 | that's why i'm posting on r/ubuntu at 5am even though i know the fanboys will downvote me to oblivion | 03:45 |
| popey | heh | 03:52 |
| ali1234 | there seems to be some confusion about the edge specs | 04:03 |
| popey | oh? | 04:03 |
| ali1234 | they are roughly in line with what you would expect from a high end smartphone in Q2 2014 | 04:03 |
| popey | where? | 04:03 |
| ali1234 | bt for some reason people think that it is massively more powerful | 04:03 |
| ali1234 | "everywhere" | 04:04 |
| ali1234 | people are just comparing it to existing phones, ignoring the fact that there will be a new iphone and a new galaxy by then. either that or they think they'll get the thing next month. i dunno | 04:05 |
| ali1234 | http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1691 | 05:39 |
| ali1234 | \o/ | 05:39 |
| ali1234 | i was gonna make that, but someone already did it | 05:39 |
| MartijnVdS | heh | 05:41 |
| popey | hah | 05:41 |
| * ali1234 bets everything on red | 05:42 | |
| popey | gosh my bitcoin is 14 weeks behind | 05:42 |
| ali1234 | wut | 05:42 |
| popey | i like that they tell you in dates now rather than giving you the blockchain number | 05:42 |
| popey | in the bitcoin client | 05:42 |
| ali1234 | you use the gui client? | 05:42 |
| ali1234 | i have never even seen it | 05:43 |
| popey | not often, clearly ☻ | 05:43 |
| ali1234 | whoever made the bet, bet for positive outcome | 05:45 |
| feiyaoxuan | hello | 06:08 |
| popey | bitcoin now 4 weeks behind... takes a while | 07:36 |
| popey | 2 hours to do 10 weeks of blockchain | 07:36 |
| feiyaoxuan | 郁闷死了，刚不知道删了什么，桌面全没有了，就剩下壁纸，鼓捣半天才好，还不知道咋回事，好像和unity有关，郁闷！！！！！ | 07:46 |
| MooDoo | morning all | 07:53 |
| MartijnVdS | moo-rning ;) | 07:54 |
| MooDoo | anyone else up this time of the day on a sunday lol | 07:56 |
| MooDoo | besides you MartijnVdS :) | 07:57 |
| MartijnVdS | I've already been on a 10km run | 07:57 |
| MooDoo | crazy fool :) | 07:57 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: nah, sane sleeping schedule ;) | 07:58 |
| MooDoo | :) | 07:58 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: also, I'm playing with https://metacpan.org/module/Dancer | 08:04 |
| MooDoo | cool, nice n heavy for a sunday morning ;) | 08:04 |
| MartijnVdS | nah nice & light-weight | 08:04 |
| MooDoo | something to think about before breakfast | 08:15 |
| bigcalm | Good morning peeps :) | 08:17 |
| ali1234 | http://www.mustonscarecrowfestival.com/ nope, the music doesn't make the whole thing any less creepy | 08:20 |
| MooDoo | hehe :D | 08:21 |
| ali1234 | http://www.mustonscarecrowfestival.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=182671983 | 08:22 |
| MooDoo | it's just like well dressings, weird country folk ;) | 08:25 |
| brobostigon | good morning evevryone, | 09:25 |
| MooDoo | morning brobostigon :) | 09:31 |
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo :) | 09:31 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: how are you? | 09:35 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: yes, good, had a good birthday yesterday, partied with friends last night, hangover. family stuff for my birthday today. and you? | 09:36 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: i'm ok, at work today, but it's not that stressful at the moment. | 09:38 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: ah. ohwell. ok, thats good. | 09:42 |
| MooDoo | :) | 09:47 |
| MooDoo | quite in here though | 09:47 |
| brobostigon | quiet ? | 09:47 |
| MooDoo | yeah sorry not enough coffee yet :D | 09:51 |
| brobostigon | :) | 09:52 |
| MartijnVdS | lunch o'clock! | 09:53 |
| MooDoo | not for me, it's only 11 | 09:54 |
| brobostigon | morning MartijnVdS | 09:54 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: it behaved really well, thank you for your advice yesterday. | 09:55 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: np :) | 09:55 |
| brobostigon | :) | 09:55 |
| === joshmyers is now known as bubu | ||
| HoT|2fC^ | neuro: Hey dude :) just to confirm that I do have 4 cores! | 12:00 |
| HoT|2fC^ | @ 2.80Ghz | 12:00 |
| MooDoo | ooo nice | 12:01 |
| shauno | I'm going nuts trying to get debian to install :/ anything that can go wrong, has | 12:10 |
| MartijnVdS | non-free hardware? | 12:11 |
| shauno | that's come up, complains about a missing blob | 12:11 |
| shauno | now it's telling me it can't get a dhcp response, despite being booted from PXE (because I couldn't make a working usb stick ..) | 12:11 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: was the blog for the ehternet driver? | 12:12 |
| MartijnVdS | blob | 12:12 |
| shauno | starting to suspect that .. off to google the filename it was asking for | 12:12 |
| penguin42 | yeh the firmware blob would be my guess, pxe is done before it gets there | 12:12 |
| shauno | I couldn't make a working ubuntu stick either. today just isn't my day | 12:13 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Sometimes the computers are against you | 12:13 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: s/computers/debian devs/ | 12:14 |
| shauno | oh I know. this whole weekend has been one of those times you start to suspect linux is one giant hoax | 12:14 |
| MartijnVdS | shauno: it's probably in a .deb in non-free somewhere | 12:14 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Just set your ntp server back a couple of days and try the day again | 12:14 |
| shauno | hah, that's come up too. I have an appliance with expired ssl certs. so I have to set my clock before June to login to it | 12:15 |
| shauno | so tempted to jsut go back to bed | 12:15 |
| penguin42 | much safer | 12:15 |
| penguin42 | can someone tell me what their /etc/modprobe.d/qemu-kvm.conf says ? | 12:16 |
| MartijnVdS | cat: /etc/modprobe.d/qemu-kvm.conf: Bestand of map bestaat niet | 12:16 |
| penguin42 | do you have kvm/qemu installed? | 12:17 |
| MartijnVdS | no | 12:17 |
| penguin42 | ah | 12:17 |
| penguin42 | right, it looks like it went in recently | 12:23 |
| MartijnVdS | what's in it? | 12:23 |
| * MartijnVdS is running saucy, considering setting up some vms | 12:24 | |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: On saucy it says options kvm_intel nested=1 | 12:24 |
| MartijnVdS | ah | 12:24 |
| MartijnVdS | makes sense | 12:24 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: However, it's not working for me - the module complains about unknown param even though modinfo shows it and I can see the entry in /sys | 12:25 |
| shauno | hm, nested is good to know | 12:25 |
| penguin42 | nod | 12:25 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: stränge | 12:25 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: maybe your hardware doesn't like it? | 12:25 |
| * penguin42 has run nested on Ubuntu before - I think I've had 3 deep working in the past | 12:25 | |
| * penguin42 is running 1 point version of kernel behind saucy at the moment, the .6 version doesn't like my USB storage | 12:26 | |
| MartijnVdS | Ubuntuception | 12:26 |
| MartijnVdS | the latest one seems to have problems with my (MTP) phone on USB3 ports | 12:27 |
| shauno | nested is a godsend when you need it | 12:27 |
| MartijnVdS | or switching beterrn USB3/2 or something | 12:27 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: What version was that - 3.10.0-4 seems ok for me on usb | 12:28 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: could be my motherboard/bios misconfiguring bits | 12:32 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: I've had problems since 3.10 | 12:33 |
| MartijnVdS | lots of: | 12:33 |
| MartijnVdS | [339014.071764] xhci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: Timeout while waiting for stop endpoint command | 12:33 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Maybe, I'm just on USB2 though | 12:34 |
| penguin42 | MartijnVdS: Bug 1205827 is the one that I reported | 12:34 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1205827 in linux (Ubuntu) "Regression: USB storage broken on 3.10.06-generic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1205827 | 12:34 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: at least it's not as bad as Win 8 on my old machine | 12:34 |
| MartijnVdS | penguin42: which doesn't detect the USB ports on the back 75% of the time, but USB ports on the front work fine :) | 12:35 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Whos used Webmin? | 12:35 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I have fallllen in LOVE! | 12:35 |
| HoT|2fC^ | \o/ | 12:35 |
| penguin42 | HoT|2fC^: I used it a LONG time ago | 12:35 |
| MartijnVdS | HoT|2fC^: it's a very scary piece of software, imho | 12:36 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Pendulum, really? anything better then it maybe more GUI / Graphical side of things? | 12:36 |
| penguin42 | HoT|2fC^: Be a little careful, it doesn't help you learn what's going on underneath so if something really breaks you can be in trouble | 12:36 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Pendulum, but I wont mess with alot of things... | 12:36 |
| shauno | also be careful not to leave it internet-facing | 12:36 |
| HoT|2fC^ | shauno, how do you mean? | 12:36 |
| * penguin42 takes away HoT|2fC^'s tab complete | 12:36 | |
| HoT|2fC^ | :O | 12:36 |
| penguin42 | HoT|2fC^: I wouldn't trust it from a security point of view | 12:37 |
| penguin42 | HoT|2fC^: On an internal network where only you can get to it, fine | 12:37 |
| HoT|2fC^ | true | 12:37 |
| shauno | yeah, exactly | 12:37 |
| shauno | we have a VM going where my sole use for webmin is that I can add myself a root account with metasploit | 12:37 |
| shauno | granted it's a year or so out of date, but that taught me to distrust webmin | 12:40 |
| penguin42 | yeh it's been like that for years | 12:40 |
| shauno | \o/ I have firmware | 12:45 |
| MartijnVdS | \o/ | 12:45 |
| shauno | I oughta figure out how those pxe menu things work and leave this setup. handy | 12:46 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Its ok wont brake anything :) | 12:47 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Oh they're great - we've had one at work for years | 12:48 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Be careful however, it's just too easy to netboot a critical box and nuke it.... | 12:48 |
| shauno | I shouldn't have a problem with that, my dhcp server is normally turned off because it's too damned noisy | 12:48 |
| shauno | it takes a pretty conscious decision to turn the mouthbreather on for anything | 12:50 |
| shauno | ugh, new problem, it won't let me pick which disk to put grub on. and its' numbered them backwards | 12:51 |
| penguin42 | shauno: 'backwards' - that's a matter of interpretation with the bios | 13:00 |
| shauno | I'm not sure what it's done to be honest | 13:00 |
| shauno | it's showing as /dev/sdb, it's usually sda. but now it's numbered the usb stick I put the firmware on as sda | 13:01 |
| penguin42 | shauno: The sd numbering is entirely undeterministic these days | 13:03 |
| penguin42 | shauno: You shouldn't use the sd naming devices for anything | 13:03 |
| shauno | tell the d-i guys that, not me | 13:03 |
| penguin42 | shauno: Well do they actually use it - as long as they use UUID or labels in the kernel stuff they're ok, and as long as the bios map is figured out OK then grub should work | 13:04 |
| shauno | what I mean is the installer never gives you any options for that | 13:05 |
| penguin42 | ah, I wonder if the ubuntu-server install does it more sanely | 13:06 |
| shauno | I mean it creates grub entries to UUIDs. but when it goes to install grub, it does grub-install /dev/sda | 13:07 |
| penguin42 | hmm I left the freezer on rapid freeze for too long for this sorbet - I had to cut it with a knife | 13:11 |
| shauno | speaking of -server though, I was surprised how many dead links they have on ubuntu.com :/ | 13:18 |
| penguin42 | well that's what hypertext is for - making dead links! | 13:18 |
| MartijnVdS | ಠ_ಠ | 13:30 |
| RaycisCharles | MartijnVdS, my Dutch friend. | 14:09 |
| diddledan | morning | 14:50 |
| brobostigon | hi diddledan | 14:51 |
| diddledan | ello :-) | 14:51 |
| brobostigon | there we go, i cheated, google goggles helped me solve my diabolical sudoku, | 14:52 |
| penguin42 | textual one? | 14:58 |
| brobostigon | textual ? | 14:59 |
| penguin42 | well why did you need to google for a sudoku? | 15:00 |
| brobostigon | penguin42: to help me solve it, it takes a picture of the sudoku grid, and works out the missing numbers. | 15:00 |
| penguin42 | haha ok, I wrote some prolog to do it some years ago when sodoku's first arrived | 15:01 |
| penguin42 | brobostigon: http://www.treblig.org/daveG/sudoku_fd.pl | 15:02 |
| penguin42 | heck - is it that long - 9 years ago! | 15:02 |
| brobostigon | :) | 15:05 |
| penguin42 | brobostigon: That was a christmas/boxing day when they printed the first Sodoku in the Times (or the 1st I'd noticed) and I came down spent an hour or more solving it with pen and ink and spent the rest of the day dusting off my prolog knowledge | 15:06 |
| brobostigon | penguin42: ah, interesting project. | 15:07 |
| penguin42 | brobostigon: Nod, it turns out to be pretty easy - the dumb plain Prolog version was damn slow, the GNU extensions were usably fast; I'm not sure if a better Prolog writer would have been able to do it fast using portable prolog - but I hadn't written any for ~12 years at that point since my 2nd year undergrad prolog lab | 15:09 |
| brobostigon | i am not familier with prolog at all. | 15:09 |
| penguin42 | brobostigon: It's very much a 'state the rule' and let it figure it out language | 15:10 |
| brobostigon | ah. | 15:11 |
| penguin42 | so there I tell it that there are a set of things from 1..9 and they all have to be different and then just apply that to every row/column/square and then give it the constraints and let it figure out a set of values that satisfies those rules | 15:13 |
| brobostigon | almost how your own mind works it out, also. | 15:13 |
| penguin42 | maybe, I suspect the brain takes some shortcuts | 15:15 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 15:16 |
| penguin42 | haha - classic; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23482587 | 15:28 |
| * webpigeon recently got two prolog books of his boss to learn it | 15:38 | |
| penguin42 | webpigeon: I don't know much about it - I mean it's a long time since I formally looked at it, I'd assume newer stuff has happened in the last 20 years | 15:40 |
| webpigeon | The books I have are quite old - it's from when she leared it at uni and thought it might be something I'd be intrested it (considering I studied java, c, c++ and friends at uni) | 15:42 |
| penguin42 | well Uni we did Pascal and asm, but we had one semester courses on other stuff; so a prolog, one on haskell etc | 15:43 |
| webpigeon | There were a few other languages in ours but most of the other modules were focused on topics rather than langauges (data structures, computer security, robotics, AI, etc..) | 15:48 |
| webpigeon | LUA was just wtf :P | 15:49 |
| ali1234 | oh boy someone asked slashdot to recommend books about how computers affect society | 16:18 |
| ali1234 | the answers are hilarious and sad | 16:19 |
| MartijnVdS | well it's slashdot | 16:23 |
| * penguin42 hasn't really followed the detail of Edge; but is there anything which says which SoC (or family of ) that's being looked at? Also given that Touch is dual licensable has anything said which license Edge will be under? | 16:49 | |
| ali1234 | no | 16:49 |
| MartijnVdS | "a top of the line one" | 16:49 |
| penguin42 | it's quite possible they have but can't say because the chip isn't released yet publicly yet - that's a fairly common problem | 16:50 |
| ali1234 | there isn't even an official source stating whether it is ARM or x86 | 16:51 |
| penguin42 | nod, I was wondering that - bit short on details | 16:51 |
| ali1234 | though the actual quote "the fastest multicore CPU available" suggests that x86 is unlikely, as I don't think an i7 will fit inside a phone | 16:51 |
| penguin42 | well, it might but it might get a bit toasty :-) | 16:52 |
| penguin42 | quad-core Atom isn't out of the question though | 16:52 |
| ali1234 | but that wouldn't be the fastest then, would it? | 16:52 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Well no, but then there are Xeons with 20MB cache that I don't think will fit either | 16:52 |
| ali1234 | yes, good point | 16:53 |
| ali1234 | and that's why it won't be x86 | 16:53 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: Well it doesn't say fastest multicore CPU within a particular family; so it's no less valid | 16:53 |
| penguin42 | ali1234: I'm reading that as fastest multicore CPU that will fit | 16:53 |
| penguin42 | you'd think you'd have people more ready to part with the money if you gave some details | 16:54 |
| ali1234 | probably not | 16:54 |
| penguin42 | you mean the people who are fast on their credit card got their first without reading and making them think is a bad idea? | 16:55 |
| ali1234 | no | 16:55 |
| ali1234 | more like they just don't care | 16:55 |
| penguin42 | nod | 16:56 |
| ali1234 | the smart money is on exynos 5 octacore btw | 16:56 |
| penguin42 | yeh, although the challenge is which airside interfaces you support | 16:56 |
| penguin42 | yeh I mean that would make it more attractive in my book if they said that | 16:56 |
| penguin42 | although I'm too tight to pony up that much probably | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | exactly | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | if you haven't bought it yet, you're not going to be convinced because they told you exactly what model of SoC it has | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | i mean who even cares about that? | 16:57 |
| penguin42 | well it depends if you fancy doing dev with it | 16:57 |
| ali1234 | whatever they choose it's going to be overpowered for a phone and underpowered for a desktop | 16:57 |
| penguin42 | those octacores aren't bad for a netbook level/small laptop - they'd beat a 2 core Atom on a good day maybe even bottom end Core2 if really lucky? (although probably not on graphics) | 16:58 |
| ali1234 | unless by "dev" you mean reverse engineering and writing open source drivers, i think the SoC model is completely irrelevant | 16:58 |
| penguin42 | true, I guess that's the way I think - but it might be nice to have something you were reasonably confident could run more than one OS | 17:23 |
| Azelphur | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/27/pornwall | 18:21 |
| Azelphur | so much for bringing ubuntuforums back up ;), epetition is here if you haven't signed already, http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746 | 18:21 |
| penguin42 | oh dear | 18:34 |
| * penguin42 assumes that now feeds some GCHQ classification system | 18:37 | |
| Azelphur | lol | 18:38 |
| dwatkins | they really don't seem to have thought this all through | 18:40 |
| dwatkins | what if I have a friend who is in danger of alcoholism or something else on the list? | 18:40 |
| dwatkins | I can't help them because I can't look up information etc. | 18:41 |
| * dwatkins goes shopping in disgust | 18:41 | |
| Azelphur | dwatkins: yea, that legislation would kill some really really /good/ projects, like /r/suicidewatch | 18:41 |
| Azelphur | in other news, I have a lifeboat crew hanging out outside my window, https://www.dropbox.com/s/eqg7v941x6rbaw7/2013-07-28%2019.39.54.jpg | 18:43 |
| Azelphur | I wonder what they are up to. | 18:43 |
| MartijnVdS | Azelphur: not drowning | 18:43 |
| Azelphur | true :p | 18:43 |
| penguin42 | well if you get the storms like we've just had then they can probably rescue people on land | 18:43 |
| Azelphur | haha | 18:44 |
| Azelphur | looks like they decided to leave, think perhaps they came on shore to pick something up | 18:44 |
| penguin42 | is ars misrendering for anyone else ? Looks like missing all css to me on ff | 19:07 |
| penguin42 | hmm and chrome | 19:08 |
| ali1234 | i would be in favour of having all internet connections limited to a whitelist consisting of only twitter and facebook by default | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | but only if applied world wide | 19:12 |
| ali1234 | if this happened we might finally see an end to eternal september | 19:13 |
| dwatkins | for some people that's all the internet is | 19:23 |
| * penguin42 assumes it'll get reduced to pictures of well behaved kittens | 19:27 | |
| popey | Azelphur: 2013-07-26: the forums are up running again and being tested privately by Forum administrators. | 19:48 |
| ali1234 | popey: will it be possible for me to find out my old password (by trying it?) | 19:50 |
| popey | dunno | 19:50 |
| ali1234 | because otherwise i won't know which other ones i need to change | 19:50 |
| Azelphur | popey: I said that in reference to David Cameron now adding "Web forums" to the list of things he'd love to block ;) | 19:50 |
| popey | not my department | 19:50 |
| popey | oh i see | 19:50 |
| HoT|2fC^iPad | evenings:) | 21:05 |
| HoT|2fC^iPad | My processe has detached its self how do I use screen to get it up again? I want to run /usr/local/games/doom3/doom-dedicated.sh +set fs_game emz +exec server.cfg | 21:06 |
| HoT|2fC^iPad | I tried screen -A -m -d /usr/local/games/doom3/doom3-dedicated.sh +set fs_game emz +exec server.cfg and it wont run :/ | 21:08 |
| moreati | HoT|2fC^iPad: run "screen", on it's own, no arguments to start a new screen session | 21:10 |
| moreati | HoT|2fC^iPad: then run the command you want to be inside the screen session | 21:11 |
| HoT|2fC^iPad | moreati, I am new to screen sorry :-) | 21:11 |
| HoT|2fC^iPad | ah nice but what about location? | 21:11 |
| moreati | what do you mean by location? | 21:11 |
| HoT|2fC^iPad | Do I need to add screen then -A -m -d? | 21:11 |
| HoT|2fC^iPad | of the dir's for the game | 21:12 |
| HoT|2fC^iPad | I was told on here to use -S option | 21:13 |
| moreati | HoT|2fC^iPad: do you already have a screen session running? | 21:13 |
| HoT|2fC^iPad | yes emty | 21:14 |
| HoT|2fC^iPad | says New session or screen | 21:14 |
| moreati | so now run /usr/local/games/doom3/doom-dedicated.sh +set fs_game emz +exec server.cfg | 21:14 |
| moreati | once you have your script running inside the screen session you can detach from the session with ctrl a d | 21:18 |
| guest-57HqHB | org | 23:33 |
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