[03:38] <popey> So it turns out I do have jetlag after all
[03:44] <ali1234> i have permanent jetlag
[03:45] <ali1234> that's why i'm posting on r/ubuntu at 5am even though i know the fanboys will downvote me to oblivion
[03:52] <popey> heh
[04:03] <ali1234> there seems to be some confusion about the edge specs
[04:03] <popey> oh?
[04:03] <ali1234> they are roughly in line with what you would expect from a high end smartphone in Q2 2014
[04:03] <popey> where?
[04:03] <ali1234> bt for some reason people think that it is massively more powerful
[04:04] <ali1234> "everywhere"
[04:05] <ali1234> people are just comparing it to existing phones, ignoring the fact that there will be a new iphone and a new galaxy by then. either that or they think they'll get the thing next month. i dunno
[05:39] <ali1234> http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1691
[05:39] <ali1234> \o/
[05:39] <ali1234> i was gonna make that, but someone already did it
[05:41] <MartijnVdS> heh
[05:41] <popey> hah
[05:42]  * ali1234 bets everything on red
[05:42] <popey> gosh my bitcoin is 14 weeks behind
[05:42] <ali1234> wut
[05:42] <popey> i like that they tell you in dates now rather than giving you the blockchain number
[05:42] <popey> in the bitcoin client
[05:42] <ali1234> you use the gui client?
[05:43] <ali1234> i have never even seen it
[05:43] <popey> not often, clearly ☻
[05:45] <ali1234> whoever made the bet, bet for positive outcome
[06:08] <feiyaoxuan> hello
[07:36] <popey> bitcoin now 4 weeks behind... takes a while
[07:36] <popey> 2 hours to do 10 weeks of blockchain
[07:46] <feiyaoxuan> 郁闷死了，刚不知道删了什么，桌面全没有了，就剩下壁纸，鼓捣半天才好，还不知道咋回事，好像和unity有关，郁闷！！！！！
[07:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:54] <MartijnVdS> moo-rning ;)
[07:56] <MooDoo> anyone else up this time of the day on a sunday lol
[07:57] <MooDoo> besides you MartijnVdS :)
[07:57] <MartijnVdS> I've already been on a 10km run
[07:57] <MooDoo> crazy fool :)
[07:58] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: nah, sane sleeping schedule ;)
[07:58] <MooDoo> :)
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: also, I'm playing with https://metacpan.org/module/Dancer
[08:04] <MooDoo> cool, nice n heavy for a sunday morning ;)
[08:04] <MartijnVdS> nah nice & light-weight
[08:15] <MooDoo> something to think about before breakfast
[08:17] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[08:20] <ali1234> http://www.mustonscarecrowfestival.com/ nope, the music doesn't make the whole thing any less creepy
[08:21] <MooDoo> hehe :D
[08:22] <ali1234> http://www.mustonscarecrowfestival.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=182671983
[08:25] <MooDoo> it's just like well dressings, weird country folk ;)
[09:25] <brobostigon> good morning evevryone,
[09:31] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon :)
[09:31] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo :)
[09:35] <MooDoo> brobostigon: how are you?
[09:36] <brobostigon> MooDoo: yes, good, had a good birthday yesterday, partied with friends last night, hangover. family stuff for my birthday today. and you?
[09:38] <MooDoo> brobostigon: i'm ok, at work today, but it's not that stressful at the moment.
[09:42] <brobostigon> MooDoo: ah. ohwell. ok, thats good.
[09:47] <MooDoo> :)
[09:47] <MooDoo> quite in here though
[09:47] <brobostigon> quiet ?
[09:51] <MooDoo> yeah sorry not enough coffee yet :D
[09:52] <brobostigon> :)
[09:53] <MartijnVdS> lunch o'clock!
[09:54] <MooDoo> not for me, it's only 11
[09:54] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[09:55] <brobostigon> MartijnVdS: it behaved really well, thank you for your advice yesterday.
[09:55] <MartijnVdS> brobostigon: np :)
[09:55] <brobostigon> :)
[12:00] <HoT|2fC^> neuro: Hey dude :) just to confirm that I do have 4 cores!
[12:00] <HoT|2fC^> @ 2.80Ghz
[12:01] <MooDoo> ooo nice
[12:10] <shauno> I'm going nuts trying to get debian to install :/  anything that can go wrong, has
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> non-free hardware?
[12:11] <shauno> that's come up, complains about a missing blob
[12:11] <shauno> now it's telling me it can't get a dhcp response, despite being booted from PXE  (because I couldn't make a working usb stick ..)
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> shauno: was the blog for the ehternet driver?
[12:12] <MartijnVdS> blob
[12:12] <shauno> starting to suspect that .. off to google the filename it was asking for
[12:12] <penguin42> yeh the firmware blob would be my guess, pxe is done before it gets there
[12:13] <shauno> I couldn't make a working ubuntu stick either.  today just isn't my day
[12:13] <penguin42> shauno: Sometimes the computers are against you
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: s/computers/debian devs/
[12:14] <shauno> oh I know.  this whole weekend has been one of those times you start to suspect linux is one giant hoax
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> shauno: it's probably in a .deb in non-free somewhere
[12:14] <penguin42> shauno: Just set your ntp server back a couple of days and try the day again
[12:15] <shauno> hah, that's come up too.  I have an appliance with expired ssl certs.  so I have to set my clock before June to login to it
[12:15] <shauno> so tempted to jsut go back to bed
[12:15] <penguin42> much safer
[12:16] <penguin42> can someone tell me what their /etc/modprobe.d/qemu-kvm.conf says ?
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> cat: /etc/modprobe.d/qemu-kvm.conf: Bestand of map bestaat niet
[12:17] <penguin42> do you have kvm/qemu installed?
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> no
[12:17] <penguin42> ah
[12:23] <penguin42> right, it looks like it went in recently
[12:23] <MartijnVdS> what's in it?
[12:24]  * MartijnVdS is running saucy, considering setting up some vms
[12:24] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: On saucy it says options kvm_intel nested=1
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> ah
[12:24] <MartijnVdS> makes sense
[12:25] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: However, it's not working for me - the module complains about unknown param even though modinfo shows it and I can see the entry in /sys
[12:25] <shauno> hm, nested is good to know
[12:25] <penguin42> nod
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: stränge
[12:25] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: maybe your hardware doesn't like it?
[12:25]  * penguin42 has run nested on Ubuntu before - I think I've had 3 deep working in the past
[12:26]  * penguin42 is running 1 point version of kernel behind saucy at the moment, the .6 version doesn't like my USB storage
[12:26] <MartijnVdS> Ubuntuception
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> the latest one seems to have problems with my (MTP) phone on USB3 ports
[12:27] <shauno> nested is a godsend when you need it
[12:27] <MartijnVdS> or switching beterrn USB3/2 or something
[12:28] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: What version was that - 3.10.0-4 seems ok for me on usb
[12:32] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: could be my motherboard/bios misconfiguring bits
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: I've had problems since 3.10
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> lots of:
[12:33] <MartijnVdS> [339014.071764] xhci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: Timeout while waiting for stop endpoint command
[12:34] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Maybe, I'm just on USB2 though
[12:34] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Bug 1205827 is the one that I reported
[12:34] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: at least it's not as bad as Win 8 on my old machine
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> penguin42: which doesn't detect the USB ports on the back 75% of the time, but USB ports on the front work fine :)
[12:35] <HoT|2fC^> Whos used Webmin?
[12:35] <HoT|2fC^> I have fallllen in LOVE!
[12:35] <HoT|2fC^> \o/
[12:35] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: I used it a LONG time ago
[12:36] <MartijnVdS> HoT|2fC^: it's a very scary piece of software, imho
[12:36] <HoT|2fC^> Pendulum, really? anything better then it maybe more GUI / Graphical side of things?
[12:36] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: Be a little careful, it doesn't help you learn what's going on underneath so if something really breaks you can be in trouble
[12:36] <HoT|2fC^> Pendulum, but I wont mess with alot of things...
[12:36] <shauno> also be careful not to leave it internet-facing
[12:36] <HoT|2fC^> shauno, how do you mean?
[12:36]  * penguin42 takes away HoT|2fC^'s tab complete
[12:36] <HoT|2fC^> :O
[12:37] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: I wouldn't trust it from a security point of view
[12:37] <penguin42> HoT|2fC^: On an internal network where only you can get to it, fine
[12:37] <HoT|2fC^> true
[12:37] <shauno> yeah, exactly
[12:37] <shauno> we have a VM going where my sole use for webmin is that I can add myself a root account with metasploit
[12:40] <shauno> granted it's a year or so out of date, but that taught me to distrust webmin
[12:40] <penguin42> yeh it's been like that for years
[12:45] <shauno> \o/  I have firmware
[12:45] <MartijnVdS> \o/
[12:46] <shauno> I oughta figure out how those pxe menu things work and leave this setup.  handy
[12:47] <HoT|2fC^> Its ok wont brake anything :)
[12:48] <penguin42> shauno: Oh they're great - we've had one at work for years
[12:48] <penguin42> shauno: Be careful however, it's just too easy to netboot a critical box and nuke it....
[12:48] <shauno> I shouldn't have a problem with that, my dhcp server is normally turned off because it's too damned noisy
[12:50] <shauno> it takes a pretty conscious decision to turn the mouthbreather on for anything
[12:51] <shauno> ugh, new problem, it won't let me pick which disk to put grub on.  and its' numbered them backwards
[13:00] <penguin42> shauno: 'backwards' - that's a matter of interpretation with the bios
[13:00] <shauno> I'm not sure what it's done to be honest
[13:01] <shauno> it's showing as /dev/sdb, it's usually sda.  but now it's numbered the usb stick I put the firmware on as sda
[13:03] <penguin42> shauno: The sd numbering is entirely undeterministic these days
[13:03] <penguin42> shauno: You shouldn't use the sd naming devices for anything
[13:03] <shauno> tell the d-i guys that, not me
[13:04] <penguin42> shauno: Well do they actually use it - as long as they use UUID or labels in the kernel stuff they're ok, and as long as the bios map is figured out OK then grub should work
[13:05] <shauno> what I mean is the installer never gives you any options for that
[13:06] <penguin42> ah, I wonder if the ubuntu-server install does it more sanely
[13:07] <shauno> I mean it creates grub entries to UUIDs.  but when it goes to install grub, it does grub-install /dev/sda
[13:11] <penguin42> hmm I left the freezer on rapid freeze for too long for this sorbet - I had to cut it with a knife
[13:18] <shauno> speaking of -server though, I was surprised how many dead links they have on ubuntu.com :/
[13:18] <penguin42> well that's what hypertext is for - making dead links!
[13:30] <MartijnVdS> ಠ_ಠ
[14:09] <RaycisCharles> MartijnVdS, my Dutch friend.
[14:50] <diddledan> morning
[14:51] <brobostigon> hi diddledan
[14:51] <diddledan> ello :-)
[14:52] <brobostigon> there we go, i cheated, google goggles helped me solve my diabolical sudoku,
[14:58] <penguin42> textual one?
[14:59] <brobostigon> textual ?
[15:00] <penguin42> well why did you need to google for a sudoku?
[15:00] <brobostigon> penguin42: to help me solve it, it takes a picture of the sudoku grid, and works out the missing numbers.
[15:01] <penguin42> haha ok, I wrote some prolog to do it some years ago when sodoku's first arrived
[15:02] <penguin42> brobostigon: http://www.treblig.org/daveG/sudoku_fd.pl
[15:02] <penguin42> heck - is it that long - 9 years ago!
[15:05] <brobostigon> :)
[15:06] <penguin42> brobostigon: That was a christmas/boxing day when they printed the first Sodoku in the Times (or the 1st I'd noticed) and I came down spent an hour or more solving it with pen and ink and spent the rest of the day dusting off my prolog knowledge
[15:07] <brobostigon> penguin42: ah, interesting project.
[15:09] <penguin42> brobostigon: Nod, it turns out to be pretty easy - the dumb plain Prolog version was damn slow, the GNU extensions were usably fast; I'm not sure if a better Prolog writer would have been able to do it fast using portable prolog - but I hadn't written any for ~12 years at that point since my 2nd year undergrad prolog lab
[15:09] <brobostigon> i am not familier with prolog at all.
[15:10] <penguin42> brobostigon: It's very much a 'state the rule' and let it figure it out language
[15:11] <brobostigon> ah.
[15:13] <penguin42> so there I tell it that there are a set of things from 1..9 and they all have to be different and then just apply that to every row/column/square and then give it the constraints and let it figure out a set of values that satisfies those rules
[15:13] <brobostigon> almost how your own mind works it out, also.
[15:15] <penguin42> maybe, I suspect the brain takes some shortcuts
[15:16] <brobostigon> yes.
[15:28] <penguin42> haha - classic; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23482587
[15:38]  * webpigeon recently got two prolog books of his boss to learn it
[15:40] <penguin42> webpigeon: I don't know much about it - I mean it's a long time since I formally looked at it, I'd assume newer stuff has happened in the last 20 years
[15:42] <webpigeon> The books I have are quite old - it's from when she leared it at uni and thought it might be something I'd be intrested it (considering I studied java, c, c++ and friends at uni)
[15:43] <penguin42> well Uni we did Pascal and asm, but we had one semester courses on other stuff; so a prolog, one on haskell etc
[15:48] <webpigeon> There were a few other languages in ours but most of the other modules were focused on topics rather than langauges (data structures, computer security, robotics, AI, etc..)
[15:49] <webpigeon> LUA was just wtf :P
[16:18] <ali1234> oh boy someone asked slashdot to recommend books about how computers affect society
[16:19] <ali1234> the answers are hilarious and sad
[16:23] <MartijnVdS> well it's slashdot
[16:49]  * penguin42 hasn't really followed the detail of Edge; but is there anything which says which SoC (or family of ) that's being looked at? Also given that Touch is dual licensable has anything said which license Edge will be under?
[16:49] <ali1234> no
[16:49] <MartijnVdS> "a top of the line one"
[16:50] <penguin42> it's quite possible they have but can't say because the chip isn't released yet publicly yet - that's a fairly common problem
[16:51] <ali1234> there isn't even an official source stating whether it is ARM or x86
[16:51] <penguin42> nod, I was wondering that - bit short on details
[16:51] <ali1234> though the actual quote "the fastest multicore CPU available" suggests that x86 is unlikely, as I don't think an i7 will fit inside a phone
[16:52] <penguin42> well, it might but it might get a bit toasty :-)
[16:52] <penguin42> quad-core Atom isn't out of the question though
[16:52] <ali1234> but that wouldn't be the fastest then, would it?
[16:52] <penguin42> ali1234: Well no, but then there are Xeons with 20MB cache that I don't think will fit either
[16:53] <ali1234> yes, good point
[16:53] <ali1234> and that's why it won't be x86
[16:53] <penguin42> ali1234: Well it doesn't say fastest multicore CPU within a particular family; so it's no less valid
[16:53] <penguin42> ali1234: I'm reading that as fastest multicore CPU that will fit
[16:54] <penguin42> you'd think you'd have people more ready to part with the money if you gave some details
[16:54] <ali1234> probably not
[16:55] <penguin42> you mean the people who are fast on their credit card got their first without reading and making them think is a bad idea?
[16:55] <ali1234> no
[16:55] <ali1234> more like they just don't care
[16:56] <penguin42> nod
[16:56] <ali1234> the smart money is on exynos 5 octacore btw
[16:56] <penguin42> yeh, although the challenge is which airside interfaces you support
[16:56] <penguin42> yeh I mean that would make it more attractive in my book if they said that
[16:57] <penguin42> although I'm too tight to pony up that much probably
[16:57] <ali1234> exactly
[16:57] <ali1234> if you haven't bought it yet, you're not going to be convinced because they told you exactly what model of SoC it has
[16:57] <ali1234> i mean who even cares about that?
[16:57] <penguin42> well it depends if you fancy doing dev with it
[16:57] <ali1234> whatever they choose it's going to be overpowered for a phone and underpowered for a desktop
[16:58] <penguin42> those octacores aren't bad for a netbook level/small laptop - they'd beat a 2 core Atom on a good day maybe even bottom end Core2 if really lucky? (although probably not on graphics)
[16:58] <ali1234> unless by "dev" you mean reverse engineering and writing open source drivers, i think the SoC model is completely irrelevant
[17:23] <penguin42> true, I guess that's the way I think - but it might be nice to have something you were reasonably confident could run more than one OS
[18:21] <Azelphur> http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/27/pornwall
[18:21] <Azelphur> so much for bringing ubuntuforums back up ;), epetition is here if you haven't signed already, http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746
[18:34] <penguin42> oh dear
[18:37]  * penguin42 assumes that now feeds some GCHQ classification system
[18:38] <Azelphur> lol
[18:40] <dwatkins> they really don't seem to have thought this all through
[18:40] <dwatkins> what if I have a friend who is in danger of alcoholism or something else on the list?
[18:41] <dwatkins> I can't help them because I can't look up information etc.
[18:41]  * dwatkins goes shopping in disgust
[18:41] <Azelphur> dwatkins: yea, that legislation would kill some really really /good/ projects, like /r/suicidewatch
[18:43] <Azelphur> in other news, I have a lifeboat crew hanging out outside my window, https://www.dropbox.com/s/eqg7v941x6rbaw7/2013-07-28%2019.39.54.jpg
[18:43] <Azelphur> I wonder what they are up to.
[18:43] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: not drowning
[18:43] <Azelphur> true :p
[18:43] <penguin42> well if you get the storms like we've just had then they can probably rescue people on land
[18:44] <Azelphur> haha
[18:44] <Azelphur> looks like they decided to leave, think perhaps they came on shore to pick something up
[19:07] <penguin42> is ars misrendering for anyone else ? Looks like missing all css to me on ff
[19:08] <penguin42> hmm and chrome
[19:12] <ali1234> i would be in favour of having all internet connections limited to a whitelist consisting of only twitter and facebook by default
[19:12] <ali1234> but only if applied world wide
[19:13] <ali1234> if this happened we might finally see an end to eternal september
[19:23] <dwatkins> for some people that's all the internet is
[19:27]  * penguin42 assumes it'll get reduced to pictures of well behaved kittens
[19:48] <popey> Azelphur: 2013-07-26: the forums are up running again and being tested privately by Forum administrators.
[19:50] <ali1234> popey: will it be possible for me to find out my old password (by trying it?)
[19:50] <popey> dunno
[19:50] <ali1234> because otherwise i won't know which other ones i need to change
[19:50] <Azelphur> popey: I said that in reference to David Cameron now adding "Web forums" to the list of things he'd love to block ;)
[19:50] <popey> not my department
[19:50] <popey> oh i see
[21:05] <HoT|2fC^iPad> evenings:)
[21:06] <HoT|2fC^iPad> My processe has detached its self how do I use screen to get it up again? I want to run /usr/local/games/doom3/doom-dedicated.sh +set fs_game emz +exec server.cfg
[21:08] <HoT|2fC^iPad> I tried screen -A -m -d /usr/local/games/doom3/doom3-dedicated.sh +set fs_game emz +exec server.cfg and it wont run :/
[21:10] <moreati> HoT|2fC^iPad: run "screen", on it's own, no arguments to start a new screen session
[21:11] <moreati> HoT|2fC^iPad: then run the command you want to be inside the screen session
[21:11] <HoT|2fC^iPad> moreati, I am new to screen sorry :-)
[21:11] <HoT|2fC^iPad> ah nice but what about location?
[21:11] <moreati> what do you mean by location?
[21:11] <HoT|2fC^iPad> Do I need to add screen then -A -m -d?
[21:12] <HoT|2fC^iPad> of the dir's for the game
[21:13] <HoT|2fC^iPad> I was told on here to use -S option
[21:13] <moreati> HoT|2fC^iPad: do you already have a screen session running?
[21:14] <HoT|2fC^iPad> yes emty
[21:14] <HoT|2fC^iPad> says New session or screen
[21:14] <moreati> so now run /usr/local/games/doom3/doom-dedicated.sh +set fs_game emz +exec server.cfg
[21:18] <moreati> once you have your script running inside the screen session you can detach from the session with ctrl a d
[23:33] <guest-57HqHB> org