[03:38] So it turns out I do have jetlag after all [03:44] i have permanent jetlag [03:45] that's why i'm posting on r/ubuntu at 5am even though i know the fanboys will downvote me to oblivion [03:52] heh [04:03] there seems to be some confusion about the edge specs [04:03] oh? [04:03] they are roughly in line with what you would expect from a high end smartphone in Q2 2014 [04:03] where? [04:03] bt for some reason people think that it is massively more powerful [04:04] "everywhere" [04:05] people are just comparing it to existing phones, ignoring the fact that there will be a new iphone and a new galaxy by then. either that or they think they'll get the thing next month. i dunno [05:39] http://betsofbitco.in/item?id=1691 [05:39] \o/ [05:39] i was gonna make that, but someone already did it [05:41] heh [05:41] hah [05:42] * ali1234 bets everything on red [05:42] gosh my bitcoin is 14 weeks behind [05:42] wut [05:42] i like that they tell you in dates now rather than giving you the blockchain number [05:42] in the bitcoin client [05:42] you use the gui client? [05:43] i have never even seen it [05:43] not often, clearly ☻ [05:45] whoever made the bet, bet for positive outcome [06:08] hello [07:36] bitcoin now 4 weeks behind... takes a while [07:36] 2 hours to do 10 weeks of blockchain [07:46] 郁闷死了，刚不知道删了什么，桌面全没有了，就剩下壁纸，鼓捣半天才好，还不知道咋回事，好像和unity有关，郁闷！！！！！ [07:53] morning all [07:54] moo-rning ;) [07:56] anyone else up this time of the day on a sunday lol [07:57] besides you MartijnVdS :) [07:57] I've already been on a 10km run [07:57] crazy fool :) [07:58] MooDoo: nah, sane sleeping schedule ;) [07:58] :) [08:04] MooDoo: also, I'm playing with https://metacpan.org/module/Dancer [08:04] cool, nice n heavy for a sunday morning ;) [08:04] nah nice & light-weight [08:15] something to think about before breakfast [08:17] Good morning peeps :) [08:20] http://www.mustonscarecrowfestival.com/ nope, the music doesn't make the whole thing any less creepy [08:21] hehe :D [08:22] http://www.mustonscarecrowfestival.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=182671983 [08:25] it's just like well dressings, weird country folk ;) [09:25] good morning evevryone, [09:31] morning brobostigon :) [09:31] morning MooDoo :) [09:35] brobostigon: how are you? [09:36] MooDoo: yes, good, had a good birthday yesterday, partied with friends last night, hangover. family stuff for my birthday today. and you? [09:38] brobostigon: i'm ok, at work today, but it's not that stressful at the moment. [09:42] MooDoo: ah. ohwell. ok, thats good. [09:47] :) [09:47] quite in here though [09:47] quiet ? [09:51] yeah sorry not enough coffee yet :D [09:52] :) [09:53] lunch o'clock! [09:54] not for me, it's only 11 [09:54] morning MartijnVdS [09:55] MartijnVdS: it behaved really well, thank you for your advice yesterday. [09:55] brobostigon: np :) [09:55] :) === joshmyers is now known as bubu [12:00] neuro: Hey dude :) just to confirm that I do have 4 cores! [12:00] @ 2.80Ghz [12:01] ooo nice [12:10] I'm going nuts trying to get debian to install :/ anything that can go wrong, has [12:11] non-free hardware? [12:11] that's come up, complains about a missing blob [12:11] now it's telling me it can't get a dhcp response, despite being booted from PXE (because I couldn't make a working usb stick ..) [12:12] shauno: was the blog for the ehternet driver? [12:12] blob [12:12] starting to suspect that .. off to google the filename it was asking for [12:12] yeh the firmware blob would be my guess, pxe is done before it gets there [12:13] I couldn't make a working ubuntu stick either. today just isn't my day [12:13] shauno: Sometimes the computers are against you [12:14] penguin42: s/computers/debian devs/ [12:14] oh I know. this whole weekend has been one of those times you start to suspect linux is one giant hoax [12:14] shauno: it's probably in a .deb in non-free somewhere [12:14] shauno: Just set your ntp server back a couple of days and try the day again [12:15] hah, that's come up too. I have an appliance with expired ssl certs. so I have to set my clock before June to login to it [12:15] so tempted to jsut go back to bed [12:15] much safer [12:16] can someone tell me what their /etc/modprobe.d/qemu-kvm.conf says ? [12:16] cat: /etc/modprobe.d/qemu-kvm.conf: Bestand of map bestaat niet [12:17] do you have kvm/qemu installed? [12:17] no [12:17] ah [12:23] right, it looks like it went in recently [12:23] what's in it? [12:24] * MartijnVdS is running saucy, considering setting up some vms [12:24] MartijnVdS: On saucy it says options kvm_intel nested=1 [12:24] ah [12:24] makes sense [12:25] MartijnVdS: However, it's not working for me - the module complains about unknown param even though modinfo shows it and I can see the entry in /sys [12:25] hm, nested is good to know [12:25] nod [12:25] penguin42: stränge [12:25] penguin42: maybe your hardware doesn't like it? [12:25] * penguin42 has run nested on Ubuntu before - I think I've had 3 deep working in the past [12:26] * penguin42 is running 1 point version of kernel behind saucy at the moment, the .6 version doesn't like my USB storage [12:26] Ubuntuception [12:27] the latest one seems to have problems with my (MTP) phone on USB3 ports [12:27] nested is a godsend when you need it [12:27] or switching beterrn USB3/2 or something [12:28] MartijnVdS: What version was that - 3.10.0-4 seems ok for me on usb [12:32] penguin42: could be my motherboard/bios misconfiguring bits [12:33] penguin42: I've had problems since 3.10 [12:33] lots of: [12:33] [339014.071764] xhci_hcd 0000:00:14.0: Timeout while waiting for stop endpoint command [12:34] MartijnVdS: Maybe, I'm just on USB2 though [12:34] MartijnVdS: Bug 1205827 is the one that I reported [12:34] bug 1205827 in linux (Ubuntu) "Regression: USB storage broken on 3.10.06-generic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1205827 [12:34] penguin42: at least it's not as bad as Win 8 on my old machine [12:35] penguin42: which doesn't detect the USB ports on the back 75% of the time, but USB ports on the front work fine :) [12:35] Whos used Webmin? [12:35] I have fallllen in LOVE! [12:35] \o/ [12:35] HoT|2fC^: I used it a LONG time ago [12:36] HoT|2fC^: it's a very scary piece of software, imho [12:36] Pendulum, really? anything better then it maybe more GUI / Graphical side of things? [12:36] HoT|2fC^: Be a little careful, it doesn't help you learn what's going on underneath so if something really breaks you can be in trouble [12:36] Pendulum, but I wont mess with alot of things... [12:36] also be careful not to leave it internet-facing [12:36] shauno, how do you mean? [12:36] * penguin42 takes away HoT|2fC^'s tab complete [12:36] :O [12:37] HoT|2fC^: I wouldn't trust it from a security point of view [12:37] HoT|2fC^: On an internal network where only you can get to it, fine [12:37] true [12:37] yeah, exactly [12:37] we have a VM going where my sole use for webmin is that I can add myself a root account with metasploit [12:40] granted it's a year or so out of date, but that taught me to distrust webmin [12:40] yeh it's been like that for years [12:45] \o/ I have firmware [12:45] \o/ [12:46] I oughta figure out how those pxe menu things work and leave this setup. handy [12:47] Its ok wont brake anything :) [12:48] shauno: Oh they're great - we've had one at work for years [12:48] shauno: Be careful however, it's just too easy to netboot a critical box and nuke it.... [12:48] I shouldn't have a problem with that, my dhcp server is normally turned off because it's too damned noisy [12:50] it takes a pretty conscious decision to turn the mouthbreather on for anything [12:51] ugh, new problem, it won't let me pick which disk to put grub on. and its' numbered them backwards [13:00] shauno: 'backwards' - that's a matter of interpretation with the bios [13:00] I'm not sure what it's done to be honest [13:01] it's showing as /dev/sdb, it's usually sda. but now it's numbered the usb stick I put the firmware on as sda [13:03] shauno: The sd numbering is entirely undeterministic these days [13:03] shauno: You shouldn't use the sd naming devices for anything [13:03] tell the d-i guys that, not me [13:04] shauno: Well do they actually use it - as long as they use UUID or labels in the kernel stuff they're ok, and as long as the bios map is figured out OK then grub should work [13:05] what I mean is the installer never gives you any options for that [13:06] ah, I wonder if the ubuntu-server install does it more sanely [13:07] I mean it creates grub entries to UUIDs. but when it goes to install grub, it does grub-install /dev/sda [13:11] hmm I left the freezer on rapid freeze for too long for this sorbet - I had to cut it with a knife [13:18] speaking of -server though, I was surprised how many dead links they have on ubuntu.com :/ [13:18] well that's what hypertext is for - making dead links! [13:30] ಠ_ಠ [14:09] MartijnVdS, my Dutch friend. [14:50] morning [14:51] hi diddledan [14:51] ello :-) [14:52] there we go, i cheated, google goggles helped me solve my diabolical sudoku, [14:58] textual one? [14:59] textual ? [15:00] well why did you need to google for a sudoku? [15:00] penguin42: to help me solve it, it takes a picture of the sudoku grid, and works out the missing numbers. [15:01] haha ok, I wrote some prolog to do it some years ago when sodoku's first arrived [15:02] brobostigon: http://www.treblig.org/daveG/sudoku_fd.pl [15:02] heck - is it that long - 9 years ago! [15:05] :) [15:06] brobostigon: That was a christmas/boxing day when they printed the first Sodoku in the Times (or the 1st I'd noticed) and I came down spent an hour or more solving it with pen and ink and spent the rest of the day dusting off my prolog knowledge [15:07] penguin42: ah, interesting project. [15:09] brobostigon: Nod, it turns out to be pretty easy - the dumb plain Prolog version was damn slow, the GNU extensions were usably fast; I'm not sure if a better Prolog writer would have been able to do it fast using portable prolog - but I hadn't written any for ~12 years at that point since my 2nd year undergrad prolog lab [15:09] i am not familier with prolog at all. [15:10] brobostigon: It's very much a 'state the rule' and let it figure it out language [15:11] ah. [15:13] so there I tell it that there are a set of things from 1..9 and they all have to be different and then just apply that to every row/column/square and then give it the constraints and let it figure out a set of values that satisfies those rules [15:13] almost how your own mind works it out, also. [15:15] maybe, I suspect the brain takes some shortcuts [15:16] yes. [15:28] haha - classic; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-23482587 [15:38] * webpigeon recently got two prolog books of his boss to learn it [15:40] webpigeon: I don't know much about it - I mean it's a long time since I formally looked at it, I'd assume newer stuff has happened in the last 20 years [15:42] The books I have are quite old - it's from when she leared it at uni and thought it might be something I'd be intrested it (considering I studied java, c, c++ and friends at uni) [15:43] well Uni we did Pascal and asm, but we had one semester courses on other stuff; so a prolog, one on haskell etc [15:48] There were a few other languages in ours but most of the other modules were focused on topics rather than langauges (data structures, computer security, robotics, AI, etc..) [15:49] LUA was just wtf :P [16:18] oh boy someone asked slashdot to recommend books about how computers affect society [16:19] the answers are hilarious and sad [16:23] well it's slashdot [16:49] * penguin42 hasn't really followed the detail of Edge; but is there anything which says which SoC (or family of ) that's being looked at? Also given that Touch is dual licensable has anything said which license Edge will be under? [16:49] no [16:49] "a top of the line one" [16:50] it's quite possible they have but can't say because the chip isn't released yet publicly yet - that's a fairly common problem [16:51] there isn't even an official source stating whether it is ARM or x86 [16:51] nod, I was wondering that - bit short on details [16:51] though the actual quote "the fastest multicore CPU available" suggests that x86 is unlikely, as I don't think an i7 will fit inside a phone [16:52] well, it might but it might get a bit toasty :-) [16:52] quad-core Atom isn't out of the question though [16:52] but that wouldn't be the fastest then, would it? [16:52] ali1234: Well no, but then there are Xeons with 20MB cache that I don't think will fit either [16:53] yes, good point [16:53] and that's why it won't be x86 [16:53] ali1234: Well it doesn't say fastest multicore CPU within a particular family; so it's no less valid [16:53] ali1234: I'm reading that as fastest multicore CPU that will fit [16:54] you'd think you'd have people more ready to part with the money if you gave some details [16:54] probably not [16:55] you mean the people who are fast on their credit card got their first without reading and making them think is a bad idea? [16:55] no [16:55] more like they just don't care [16:56] nod [16:56] the smart money is on exynos 5 octacore btw [16:56] yeh, although the challenge is which airside interfaces you support [16:56] yeh I mean that would make it more attractive in my book if they said that [16:57] although I'm too tight to pony up that much probably [16:57] exactly [16:57] if you haven't bought it yet, you're not going to be convinced because they told you exactly what model of SoC it has [16:57] i mean who even cares about that? [16:57] well it depends if you fancy doing dev with it [16:57] whatever they choose it's going to be overpowered for a phone and underpowered for a desktop [16:58] those octacores aren't bad for a netbook level/small laptop - they'd beat a 2 core Atom on a good day maybe even bottom end Core2 if really lucky? (although probably not on graphics) [16:58] unless by "dev" you mean reverse engineering and writing open source drivers, i think the SoC model is completely irrelevant [17:23] true, I guess that's the way I think - but it might be nice to have something you were reasonably confident could run more than one OS [18:21] http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-07/27/pornwall [18:21] so much for bringing ubuntuforums back up ;), epetition is here if you haven't signed already, http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51746 [18:34] oh dear [18:37] * penguin42 assumes that now feeds some GCHQ classification system [18:38] lol [18:40] they really don't seem to have thought this all through [18:40] what if I have a friend who is in danger of alcoholism or something else on the list? [18:41] I can't help them because I can't look up information etc. [18:41] * dwatkins goes shopping in disgust [18:41] dwatkins: yea, that legislation would kill some really really /good/ projects, like /r/suicidewatch [18:43] in other news, I have a lifeboat crew hanging out outside my window, https://www.dropbox.com/s/eqg7v941x6rbaw7/2013-07-28%2019.39.54.jpg [18:43] I wonder what they are up to. [18:43] Azelphur: not drowning [18:43] true :p [18:43] well if you get the storms like we've just had then they can probably rescue people on land [18:44] haha [18:44] looks like they decided to leave, think perhaps they came on shore to pick something up [19:07] is ars misrendering for anyone else ? Looks like missing all css to me on ff [19:08] hmm and chrome [19:12] i would be in favour of having all internet connections limited to a whitelist consisting of only twitter and facebook by default [19:12] but only if applied world wide [19:13] if this happened we might finally see an end to eternal september [19:23] for some people that's all the internet is [19:27] * penguin42 assumes it'll get reduced to pictures of well behaved kittens [19:48] Azelphur: 2013-07-26: the forums are up running again and being tested privately by Forum administrators. [19:50] popey: will it be possible for me to find out my old password (by trying it?) [19:50] dunno [19:50] because otherwise i won't know which other ones i need to change [19:50] popey: I said that in reference to David Cameron now adding "Web forums" to the list of things he'd love to block ;) [19:50] not my department [19:50] oh i see [21:05] evenings:) [21:06] My processe has detached its self how do I use screen to get it up again? I want to run /usr/local/games/doom3/doom-dedicated.sh +set fs_game emz +exec server.cfg [21:08] I tried screen -A -m -d /usr/local/games/doom3/doom3-dedicated.sh +set fs_game emz +exec server.cfg and it wont run :/ [21:10] HoT|2fC^iPad: run "screen", on it's own, no arguments to start a new screen session [21:11] HoT|2fC^iPad: then run the command you want to be inside the screen session [21:11] moreati, I am new to screen sorry :-) [21:11] ah nice but what about location? [21:11] what do you mean by location? [21:11] Do I need to add screen then -A -m -d? [21:12] of the dir's for the game [21:13] I was told on here to use -S option [21:13] HoT|2fC^iPad: do you already have a screen session running? [21:14] yes emty [21:14] says New session or screen [21:14] so now run /usr/local/games/doom3/doom-dedicated.sh +set fs_game emz +exec server.cfg [21:18] once you have your script running inside the screen session you can detach from the session with ctrl a d [23:33] org