| xnox | jbicha: no. i wish GNOME would accept patches I submit on bugzilla, before I show up to guadec ;-) otherwise i'd be one grumpy attendant. | 00:00 |
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| jbicha | several GNOME modules are mostly unmaintained | 00:02 |
| xnox | larsu: darkxst: the ubiquity-panel, the way i test is, is stop lightdm & kill -9 X, and then from tty1: sudo start ubiquity, after changing stuff in-place in a VM..... not sure if this helps =) the highlight is old about ubiquity | 00:02 |
| xnox | jbicha: yeah, my point is other GNOME dev's that say "lgtm, why is this not merged?" should just commit. In Debian/Ubuntu we have NMU and/or strong team maintainership, yet the GNOME core people don't see this as a problem. | 00:04 |
| jbicha | GNOME upload procedures are rather different than Ubuntu's | 00:04 |
| jbicha | it's relatively easy to get git commit rights for everything GNOME so GNOME maintainers assume you have rights unless you tell them otherwise | 00:05 |
| jbicha | on the other hand, if you're not a maintainer you can get yelled at for not getting a commit reviewed on bugzilla first | 00:06 |
| jbicha | it's much much harder to get commit/upload rights for Debian or Ubuntu | 00:08 |
| jbicha | xnox: so the patches you're waiting on are for gnome-sudoku and gnome-power-manager? those are good examples of mostly unmaintained modules | 00:13 |
| jbicha | look in the .doap file to find out who the maintainer is and manually ping them on irc or by email | 00:14 |
| xnox | jbicha: that's not what gnome love / gnome goals say to do. | 00:16 |
| xnox | jbicha: i write a patch for gnome, not a pull request to individual person, maybe it's all should be up on github then instead. | 00:16 |
| jbicha | gnome-power-manager is no longer core GNOME (note that Ubuntu GNOME doesn't ship it either) | 00:18 |
| jbicha | nearly all of gnome-games went unmaintained when they split them into separate modules | 00:24 |
| jbicha | GNOME will never go full-on github because github isn't FOSS | 00:24 |
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| jbicha | it's likely that the new "GNOME Software" app won't include support for paying money for proprietary apps | 00:25 |
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| jbicha | attente: the indicator-keyboard tests still fail | 01:16 |
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| sokky_ | hello all, any ecrypt pros here? | 02:19 |
| attente | jbicha, is there an updated log? or is it the same as before? | 02:46 |
| jbicha | attente: I don't know http://paste.ubuntu.com/5923873/ also failed on the PPA builders but by default it doesn't give a nice log | 02:49 |
| attente | jbicha, thanks, yeah, that's a different problem | 02:52 |
| jbicha | and ibus-client-clutter needs fixing to build against ibus 1.5 http://paste.ubuntu.com/5923902/ | 03:00 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 04:13 |
| Mirv | good morning! | 04:24 |
| larsu | Good morning | 04:30 |
| darkxst | good afternoon! | 04:35 |
| darkxst | pitti, hey! | 04:35 |
| jbicha | attente: this is correct, right? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ibus-client-clutter/0.0+git20090728.a936bacf-5ubuntu1 | 04:35 |
| darkxst | pitti, would you have any idea why apt-get doesnt seem to pick up ddebs from ppa? | 04:36 |
| pitti | darkxst: I never tried that; do they appear in the Packages.gz index? | 04:36 |
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| darkxst | pitti, nope | 04:40 |
| darkxst | pitti, although apport-retrace seems to find them mostly | 04:40 |
| pitti | darkxst: and a-retrace doesn't just take them from ddebs.u.c.? | 04:40 |
| pitti | apport just uses apt | 04:40 |
| pitti | well, python-apt, but that still just uses the normal package indexes | 04:41 |
| darkxst | pitti, gnome3 ppa | 04:41 |
| darkxst | those would not be on ddebs.u.c | 04:41 |
| pitti | ooh | 04:42 |
| pitti | http://ppa.launchpad.net/gnome3-team/gnome3/ubuntu/dists/saucy/main/debug/binary-amd64/Packages | 04:42 |
| pitti | darkxst: ^ they are there, in a /debug sub-hierarchy | 04:42 |
| pitti | so you need a "main/debug" series apt line in addition | 04:42 |
| darkxst | pitti, right! thanks | 04:46 |
| sil2100 | Morning! | 07:07 |
| Mirv | sil2100: hello! | 07:08 |
| sil2100 | Stacks seem to be a bit lazy since some days - I remember times when I woke up and had to publish/fix manually stuff, since I already had all stack results | 07:17 |
| sil2100 | But now? I wake up and testing and building steps are still ongoing | 07:17 |
| sil2100 | Morning didrocks ! | 07:22 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: stacks still not published, they're building and checking right now! | 07:22 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: how's IoM? ;) | 07:22 |
| didrocks | hey sil2100! | 07:23 |
| didrocks | sil2100: foggy :p | 07:23 |
| didrocks | sil2100: stacks are under control? why they are not ready? | 07:23 |
| didrocks | like ATI machine down? | 07:23 |
| sil2100 | Not sure, some stacks are still in the building stage (like settings), and check jobs are queued up | 07:24 |
| sil2100 | I guess everything slowed down a bit after we enabled additional check jobs, like unity8 | 07:24 |
| didrocks | sil2100: shouldn't | 07:24 |
| jibel | sil2100, ATI was donw | 07:24 |
| didrocks | sil2100: the tests are running on both machines, right? | 07:24 |
| jibel | down | 07:24 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: hah, something's wrong with ATI | 07:24 |
| didrocks | ok, thanks jibel :) | 07:25 |
| sil2100 | jibel: is it fixed now? | 07:25 |
| didrocks | sil2100: ensure you kill all the -head jobs please that are duplicated | 07:25 |
| didrocks | if it's down since saturday, we don't want to rebuild the same stacks 3 times | 07:25 |
| jibel | sil2100, I'm trying to bring it back but there is something strange | 07:25 |
| sil2100 | jibel: since I see the ATI log of the current job and it doesn't seem to move | 07:25 |
| jibel | sil2100, since 3 or 4 days it always goes down when platform tests start | 07:25 |
| sil2100 | hmm | 07:26 |
| jibel | didrocks, I restarted it saturday and yesterday | 07:26 |
| didrocks | robert_ancell: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-unity/+archive/next/+packages?field.name_filter=unity-api&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter= | 07:26 |
| didrocks | jibel: urgh, so something wrong with the upstart job? | 07:27 |
| sil2100 | jibel: I wonder what's wrong with the platform tests ;/ Could you give me a ping once ATI is unblocked again? | 07:27 |
| jibel | didrocks, it wouldn't freeze the whole machine | 07:27 |
| jibel | didrocks, it is a hardlock, machine is up, but ssh is dead and no console | 07:28 |
| jibel | sil2100, it's up | 07:28 |
| pitti | bonjour didrocks et jibel, comment allez-vous ? | 07:28 |
| sil2100 | jibel: but could it be that something again is wrong? Since: | 07:28 |
| sil2100 | http://10.97.0.1:8080/job/autopilot-saucy-daily_release/665/label=autopilot-ati/console | 07:28 |
| jibel | Bonjour pitti . Ça va bien et toi ? | 07:28 |
| sil2100 | Oh, FAIL | 07:29 |
| didrocks | jibel: argh, not fine :/ | 07:29 |
| pitti | jibel: je vais mieux, il ne fait plus autant chaude | 07:29 |
| didrocks | salut pitti! | 07:29 |
| jibel | sil2100, FATAL: Unable to delete script file /tmp/hudson1344923958933719703.sh means that jenkins lost contact with its slave | 07:29 |
| didrocks | sil2100: please publish the settings stack ASAP ;) | 07:29 |
| pitti | jibel: "chaud" | 07:29 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: will do, waiting for it to finish building though! | 07:29 |
| sil2100 | armhf is still building | 07:30 |
| jibel | didrocks, sil2100 , there is really something wrong, jenkins slave just died | 07:34 |
| jibel | sil2100, you can add unity8 to the list of tests to restart | 07:36 |
| sil2100 | jibel: ok! | 07:42 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: so, I assume you guys ACK the packaging changes for settings ;)? | 07:43 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: publishing1 | 07:43 |
| didrocks | sil2100: yep, ack! :) | 07:44 |
| didrocks | sil2100: thanks | 07:44 |
| sil2100 | jibel: do you think that re-running tests for platform can cause the death of ATI machine again? | 07:45 |
| sil2100 | jibel: since I re-ran it in the morning, so I guess it's queued up already | 07:45 |
| sil2100 | pstolowski: welcome back! ;) | 07:46 |
| pstolowski | sil2100: hey! | 07:46 |
| jibel | sil2100, that's what I'd like to verify | 07:46 |
| jibel | sil2100, it just started fine | 07:47 |
| sil2100 | jibel: indeed, so far so good | 07:48 |
| Mirv | didrocks: hello :) sdk packaging changes of adding devscripts to have licensecheck seems legit, can I publish? | 07:48 |
| * sil2100 ACKed the change himself to FTBFS | 07:50 | |
| sil2100 | ;) | 07:50 |
| didrocks | hey Mirv! welcome back | 07:50 |
| didrocks | Mirv: can you check with seb128? I'm on the IoM this week sprint, so not really available for packaging reviews :) | 07:50 |
| didrocks | Mirv: I trust that between you and sil2100, you'll get through it! :) | 07:51 |
| sil2100 | seb128: morning! | 07:52 |
| seb128 | sil2100, hey | 07:52 |
| sil2100 | seb128: can we have your approval on http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/SDK/job/cu2d-sdk-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_ubuntu-ui-toolkit_0.1.46+13.10.20130729-0ubuntu1.diff ? | 07:52 |
| Mirv | didrocks: thank you :) ok, have a good IoM | 07:52 |
| didrocks | thanks! | 07:53 |
| seb128 | sil2100, Mirv: seems fine to me | 07:53 |
| sil2100 | Mirv: green light! | 07:54 |
| sil2100 | Mirv: publish ;) | 07:54 |
| Mirv | seb128, sil2100: thanks | 07:57 |
| Mirv | sil2100: and thanks for taking care of my stacks in my absence :) | 07:58 |
| Mirv | sil2100: any idea of those ATI unity test failures? (platform) | 07:59 |
| sil2100 | hm, not sure | 08:00 |
| sil2100 | Mirv: maybe let's poke upstream maybe? | 08:00 |
| Mirv | sil2100: the other states D-Bus problem | 08:01 |
| Mirv | sil2100: it's not platform upstream but normal unity autopilot tests that are failing | 08:01 |
| sil2100 | Mirv: what I would do - I would poke unity guys (or even fill in a bug about those and inform them) and publish anyway - or re-run the tests to see it it passes the second time | 08:02 |
| Laney | morning! | 08:02 |
| seb128 | Laney, hey, how are you? | 08:02 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: sorry to bother you, but maybe on the sprint you can poke someone now - I need to be part of ~cordova-ubuntu, or one of my sub-teams has to | 08:02 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: since I can't re-deploy webapps to fix the stack ;/ | 08:03 |
| Laney | hey seb128, not bad thanks | 08:03 |
| Mirv | sil2100: rerunning, a good way to find out also if it kills the ATI machine again.. | 08:03 |
| Laney | part of my bike got stolen over the weekend so I had to carry it two miles home, but other than that ... | 08:03 |
| seb128 | Laney, :-( | 08:04 |
| sil2100 | Laney: hi! Part of your bike? | 08:04 |
| darkxst | Laney, which part? | 08:04 |
| Mirv | intel succeeded fine | 08:04 |
| Laney | yeah | 08:04 |
| Laney | the front skewer | 08:04 |
| darkxst | just the skewer? that sounds strange! | 08:04 |
| Laney | it was either just to be annoying or in the hope that i'd abandon it and they could come back and take the whole thing when it was more quiet | 08:04 |
| Laney | those are my theories anyway | 08:04 |
| pitti | Laney: ugh, I'm sorry for you; that suck! | 08:05 |
| pitti | s | 08:05 |
| Laney | but instead I carried it back and the nice man in the shop gave me a new one for free the next day | 08:05 |
| seb128 | pitti, salut, ca va bien ? | 08:05 |
| pitti | seb128: salut Sebastien ! oui, je vais mieux, il ne fait plus chaud | 08:07 |
| pitti | seb128: et toi ? | 08:07 |
| seb128 | pitti, c'est la même chose pour moi, ça fait du bien un peu de frais | 08:07 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, hi | 08:08 |
| darkxst | Laney, I would normally say zip ties can fix anything, but probably not in your case ;) | 08:09 |
| didrocks | sil2100: there is nobody from this team AFAIK here :/ | 08:09 |
| sil2100 | Mirv: it passed now \o/ | 08:09 |
| Laney | darkxst: heh | 08:09 |
| sil2100 | didrocks: :( Too bad then, I hate when they create new teams without assigning them to others | 08:09 |
| Laney | I have some "pinheadz" on my other bike after having a similar incident there | 08:09 |
| Laney | will get some for this one now too | 08:09 |
| Mirv | sil2100: wow, nice! | 08:12 |
| darkxst | Laney, so stealing skewers is regular there? here they just take the whole bike ;( | 08:14 |
| darkxst | and they thieves don't care about it being busy. I had one bike stolen during peak hour on one of the busiest streets in Melbourne | 08:15 |
| Laney | :/ | 08:16 |
| Laney | I had two good locks on it so maybe it would have required more time/effort | 08:16 |
| Laney | disable bike, go away to fetch more tools, come back in middle of night to take it | 08:17 |
| seb128 | seems like lot of efforts to steal a bike | 08:17 |
| darkxst | seb128, angle grinders cut through even the best locks like butter! | 08:17 |
| Laney | haha | 08:18 |
| Laney | and I guess nobody would do anything if you look confident enough | 08:18 |
| sil2100 | seb128: so, once ibus 1.5.3 moves out of -proposed, it will be hosted officially on the image, right? | 08:26 |
| sil2100 | s/hosted/installed | 08:26 |
| seb128 | sil2100, correct | 08:26 |
| seb128 | sil2100, why? | 08:26 |
| sil2100 | seb128: ah, just asking, since unity stack failed because it was requiring libibus-1.0-5, which is in proposed still - wanted to know for sure if it will be installed by default | 08:27 |
| sil2100 | Since there was some discussion I guess | 08:28 |
| seb128 | sil2100, oh right ... CI doesn't build with proposed right? | 08:28 |
| seb128 | sil2100, we are going to need an upload of unity build with ibus 1.5 to move it out of proposed though | 08:28 |
| sil2100 | seb128: it's building with proposed, but it fails if a package is not mentioned in packages: and not installed by default - which currently is the case with the new ibus, although for the time of transition I'll fix it up | 08:30 |
| seb128 | sil2100, ok, great | 08:30 |
| sil2100 | seb128: so we'll have a new unity released with the new ibus | 08:30 |
| seb128 | sil2100, excellent | 08:30 |
| seb128 | today? | 08:30 |
| sil2100 | seb128: I'll fix the config now and let's see how the tests roll | 08:30 |
| seb128 | great | 08:30 |
| sil2100 | seb128: https://code.launchpad.net/~sil2100/cupstream2distro-config/temporary_unity_new_ibus/+merge/177333 <- can you take a quick look and approve? I'll redeploy and re-run unity stack once all other stacks are green, since unity is hogging the test machines | 08:34 |
| seb128 | sil2100, ok, approved | 08:35 |
| mlankhorst | tkamppeter: did you recheck 56578 with the xserver I uploaded + a newer version of onboard? | 08:36 |
| sil2100 | Eek! | 08:38 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, no, how do I get the new xserver and the new onboard? | 08:47 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, can I do this with saucy? | 08:47 |
| mlankhorst | yeah needs saucy.. xserver in canonical-x/x-staging, onboard bzr branch lp:onboard iirc | 08:47 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, xserver-common and xserver-xorg-core are 2:1.14.99.1-0ubuntu0.0~ppa3 and xserver-xorg-video-intel is 2:2.21.12-0ubuntu1~ppa1. Is this correct? Then all what I need is the onboard from BZR? | 08:50 |
| mlankhorst | probably | 08:53 |
| mlankhorst | intel version doesn't matter much, it was uploaded for other reasons :) | 08:53 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, it is unbuildable. I get | 09:02 |
| tkamppeter | dpkg-source: error: unrepresentable changes to source | 09:02 |
| tkamppeter | dpkg-buildpackage: error: dpkg-source -b onboard gave error exit status 2 | 09:02 |
| tkamppeter | cd .. | 09:02 |
| mlankhorst | ignore, or build with debuild -b | 09:03 |
| mlankhorst | it's probably trying to include the .bzr directory if you build a source file | 09:03 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, even after "rm -rf .bzr" I can only build with "debuild -b", but at least I can test onboard now. | 09:06 |
| sil2100 | seb128: can I ask you for a packaging ACK before publishing? http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Phone/job/cu2d-phone-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_address-book-app_0.2+13.10.20130729-0ubuntu1.diff | 09:14 |
| sil2100 | seb128: (it has the qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-contacts0.1 package in it) | 09:14 |
| seb128 | sil2100, +1 | 09:16 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, onboard works principally, but right-click emulation leads to a segfault. | 09:17 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, onboard also does not take the black theme of the desktop. | 09:18 |
| sil2100 | seb128: thanks! Another (last) quick one: http://10.97.0.1:8080/view/cu2d/view/Head/view/Apps/job/cu2d-apps-head-3.0publish/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/packaging_changes_webbrowser-app_0.21+13.10.20130729-0ubuntu1.diff | 09:19 |
| mlankhorst | tkamppeter: yeah but I only care about stuck buttons atm | 09:20 |
| seb128 | sil2100, +1 | 09:20 |
| sil2100 | seb128: thanks! | 09:22 |
| mlankhorst | Laney: yikes, here they try to steal your bike by adding another lock to the bike, wait until you unlock your own then steal the bike when you go leave it unattended :/ | 09:25 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, I get no stuck button, seems to work no (typing this with onboard on touch screen) | 09:25 |
| Laney | mlankhorst: haha, that's quite obvious | 09:25 |
| mlankhorst | Laney: but unfortunately, it works.. | 09:27 |
| Laney | why would you leave it? | 09:27 |
| Laney | without your lock on | 09:27 |
| mlankhorst | seems to be a common reaction when it happens when people are not aware of that trick | 09:27 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, so I can do tablet mode with the only problem of a missing right button, missing screen rotation, and xbmc not working. | 09:28 |
| mlankhorst | tkamppeter: the only useful data point to me is... do you still get stuck buttons like that? | 09:28 |
| mlankhorst | and does xorg stay stable | 09:29 |
| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, stuck button and X stability seems to be perfect, rest are apps which are not your scope. | 09:31 |
| mlankhorst | ok good, so I guess the stuck button was partially caused by onboard grabbing the mouse too then.. | 09:32 |
| mlankhorst | or w/e, maybe there is still a bug in xserver but at least there's a workaround for it.. | 09:33 |
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| tkamppeter | mlankhorst, I have updated https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=56578 now. | 10:24 |
| ubot2` | Freedesktop bug 56578 in Server/Input/Core "race condition with active/passive grabs when opening menus with touch" [Normal,Assigned] | 10:25 |
| sil2100 | thomi: hi! You in IoM too? | 10:25 |
| thomi | sil2100: yup | 10:25 |
| sil2100 | thomi: awesome! Quick question - would you mind if I proposed a new version of python-evdev to ubuntu? | 10:26 |
| thomi | sil2100: sure, but please make sure you don't break autopilot - what's the change needed for? | 10:26 |
| sil2100 | thomi: the upstream developer released a new version and simply asked me to sync it with Ubuntu, so no urgent fixes | 10:27 |
| thomi | sil2100: cool - in the past they;ve broken API, so we need to double check that | 10:28 |
| thomi | it's nice that they've realised we pushed it into distro though :) | 10:28 |
| sil2100 | thomi: right, I'll poke you about testing later, at least for some guidelines how to check if AP is still working | 10:28 |
| thomi | sil2100: that's easy: bzr branch lp:autopilot; cd autopilot; autopilot run autopilot | 10:29 |
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| sil2100 | Ah, thought that jsut some specific tests use evdev ;) | 10:29 |
| sil2100 | And/or only on certain configurations | 10:30 |
| thomi | sil2100: yeah, you could probably just run the input tests | 10:30 |
| thomi | nah, we run on all cofigs | 10:30 |
| thomi | as long as you have write acces sto /dev/uinput | 10:30 |
| thomi | sil2100: feel free to ping me and I can run the tests, if you like | 10:30 |
| sil2100 | thomi: thanks :) | 10:31 |
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| sil2100 | thomi: hi! Can you give me power over launchpad.net/python-evdev ? | 10:56 |
| sil2100 | thomi: it would be nice to be able to edit the data, could you make me the maintainer? | 10:57 |
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| sil2100 | seb128: hmm | 11:11 |
| seb128 | sil2100, I don't like that hmmm :p | 11:12 |
| sil2100 | seb128: I have a question related to releasing new upstream versions of packages where we're not upstream, but which I'm a maintainer of | 11:12 |
| seb128 | ah | 11:12 |
| sil2100 | seb128: when releasing a new upstream version then, in the changelog, should I list all the changes that have been made inbetween versions? | 11:12 |
| seb128 | sure, ask | 11:12 |
| sil2100 | seb128: or just write 'New upstream version'? | 11:12 |
| seb128 | your call | 11:12 |
| seb128 | there is not written rules | 11:12 |
| seb128 | I tend to list things that close a bug | 11:13 |
| Laney | I like to put the interesting things from NEWS | 11:13 |
| seb128 | and interesting changes | 11:13 |
| sil2100 | Ok ;) Thanks guys | 11:13 |
| * Laney tries sbuild --arch armhf u-s-s on his desktop | 11:13 | |
| seb128 | Laney, u-s-s is a small build, building on the n7 takes less than a minute | 11:17 |
| * seb128 usually does build there | 11:17 | |
| seb128 | it's just a bit annoying having to reinstall the build-deps when putting a new image on it | 11:17 |
| Laney | yeah I don't have those atm | 11:17 |
| Laney | thought this might be fast but it's not really | 11:17 |
| seb128 | Laney, let me know if cross building work | 11:18 |
| Laney | not cross building, qemu | 11:18 |
| Laney | is working though | 11:18 |
| seb128 | ah | 11:18 |
| Laney | I think it's slower :P | 11:20 |
| Laney | oh, segfaulted in the testsuite | 11:22 |
| Laney | ah good, that makes it more responsive | 11:30 |
| * Laney breathes | 11:30 | |
| xnox | brilliant indicators are finally crashing ubiquity panel =) | 11:30 |
| * Laney locks Qt in the cupboard under the stairs as a punishment | 11:30 | |
| xnox | I think i will disable ubiquity panel as a workaround for bug 1161058 | 11:32 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1161058 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "panel crashed with SIGSEGV in indicator_object_get_entries()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1161058 | 11:32 |
| xnox | Right, larsu if you need any help testing / porting ubiquity's panel to new indicator stack feel free to ping me =) | 11:42 |
| seb128 | xnox, did you read the friday discussion on the topic? | 11:45 |
| xnox | seb128: hm, I don't think I did. Was it here? | 11:46 |
| seb128 | xnox, yes, short summary: larsu is working on it, he might have it done today (if IRC crazyness stops pulling him off work) | 11:47 |
| xnox | seb128: there is a mega plan in the back of my head to drop ubiquity-panel and drop ubiquity-dm, and instead use upstart user session to start ubiquity on login, with dash hidden / not-loaded and with a few thing pre-emptied. | 11:47 |
| xnox | seb128: ok. cool. | 11:47 |
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| seb128 | sil2100, how is unity looking? did you retry it yet? | 11:56 |
| sil2100 | seb128: I did, let me look at the status | 11:56 |
| sil2100 | seb128: it finished, but intel has a few too many failures | 11:58 |
| seb128 | sil2100, real bugs/issues? or system flackyness? | 11:58 |
| sil2100 | Seems like system flackyness, since ATI was fine | 11:59 |
| seb128 | so another retry? | 11:59 |
| sil2100 | Yes, it's running already | 12:08 |
| sil2100 | thomi: hi! I installed the new evdev and tested the test_input_stack tests and they passed, but if you have a moment, could you also test on your machine? I pushed the package to my PPA: | 12:08 |
| sil2100 | thomi: ppa:sil2100/testing | 12:08 |
| desrt | good morning freedom lovers | 12:19 |
| desrt | . o O ( hmm... that didn't work... ) | 12:19 |
| desrt | PANTS OFF! | 12:19 |
| seb128 | desrt, howdy! | 12:24 |
| seb128 | desrt, you are trying for GUADEC? ;-) | 12:24 |
| * desrt invokes jdub | 12:24 | |
| desrt | seb128: i made a present for you over the weekend | 12:24 |
| seb128 | desrt, I noticed, thanks for working on that ;-) | 12:25 |
| seb128 | when is next tarball due? ;-) | 12:25 |
| seb128 | well, you need to get it merged first I guess :p | 12:25 |
| desrt | i think this won't be done until after guadec | 12:25 |
| desrt | i've been generating a whole lot of work lately that he needs to review | 12:25 |
| seb128 | ok, I might just distro patch it if I need it | 12:25 |
| desrt | whether in gio, file monitors, desktop files... | 12:25 |
| desrt | warning: i may change the name | 12:26 |
| seb128 | ok | 12:26 |
| desrt | g_file_measure_disk_usage() sounds nicer than _query_disk_usage() i think | 12:26 |
| seb128 | well, I've enough stuff to do that I can delay that for a few weeks | 12:26 |
| seb128 | I should probably just wait for you to land it properly | 12:26 |
| thomi | sil2100: sure | 12:29 |
| sil2100 | seb128: once I get this new package I am maintaining tested, how should I proceed to get the new version into the Ubuntu queue? Who should I poke and with what? | 12:29 |
| sil2100 | thomi: thank you! | 12:29 |
| seb128 | sil2100, either do a merge proposal against the ubuntu:<source> vcs or open a bug with a link to the ppa, or with the package files attached to the bug, and subscribe ubuntu-sponsors | 12:30 |
| sil2100 | seb128: thanks :) | 12:31 |
| seb128 | yw | 12:31 |
| sil2100 | thomi: and then as well my previous question - could you assign me as the maintainer of launchpad.net/python-evdev? | 12:49 |
| thomi | sure | 12:50 |
| thomi | sil2100: done | 12:50 |
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| thomi | sil2100: I don't get a new python-evdev with your PPA added | 12:57 |
| thomi | hmmm | 12:58 |
| sil2100 | thomi: hm, let me see! | 12:58 |
| thomi | sil2100: it doesn't look like it's in your PPA yet (not published anyway) - I'll try again later | 12:59 |
| sil2100 | thomi: ah, right, amd64 still pending ;/ Sorry about that! | 12:59 |
| sil2100 | thomi: and thanks! | 12:59 |
| sil2100 | :) | 12:59 |
| thomi | no worries | 12:59 |
| seb128 | Laney, did you hit weird gsettings missing schemas bugs happening randomly with system-settings recently? | 13:09 |
| seb128 | GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'com.ubuntu.touch.system' does not contain a key named 'r' | 13:10 |
| seb128 | just hit that (but it's not the first time, it seems to try to read random keys) | 13:10 |
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| Laney | seb128: no | 13:16 |
| Laney | no idea how to trigger it? | 13:16 |
| seb128 | it happens on start every few runs here | 13:17 |
| seb128 | with random key names, looks like corruption | 13:17 |
| seb128 | could be an issue with gsettings-qt | 13:17 |
| Laney | that one in particular comes from orientation-lock | 13:18 |
| Laney | I can't see how that could be a bug in system-settings | 13:18 |
| Laney | have you seen it on the device or desktop or both? | 13:18 |
| seb128 | desktop | 13:19 |
| seb128 | but I don't test on the device that much | 13:19 |
| seb128 | I mostly do check a few specific thing, otherwise run it when I update the image just to have a look | 13:19 |
| Laney | same | 13:19 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 13:22 |
| czajkowski | wondering who is the developer driving scopes? question on their functioning. each time I lauch one in the dash it's instintive for me to double click but that just makes it disapear then I go and click it again and then have to hit launch. Is there a way to change this so that if I find it in the dash and double click it, it opens? | 13:24 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, you want to talk to mhr3_ | 13:27 |
| czajkowski | seb128: cheers | 13:28 |
| pitti | robru: hey Robert, how are you? | 13:28 |
| czajkowski | maybe I'm just too used to double clicking | 13:28 |
| pitti | robru: would you mind having a look at friend's failing autopkgtest? it's blocking other packages like the new pygobject from entering saucy | 13:28 |
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| sil2100 | thomi: if anything, the amd64 binary has been built and published! | 13:58 |
| seb128 | Laney, larsu: | 14:11 |
| seb128 | GLib-GIO-ERROR **: Settings schema 'org.gnome.desktop.background' does not contain a key named 'picture-u\xa8-d\xb0\xb1' | 14:11 |
| seb128 | there is something weird with gsettings-qt :/ | 14:11 |
| desrt | seb128: aren't you glad that resulted in an abort with a helpful error message instead of strange difficult-to-trace-down behaviour? ;) | 14:19 |
| seb128 | desrt, don't get me started on the abort thing... ;-) | 14:20 |
| * seb128 is pondering storing the ringtone in a ini style file instead of gsettings just to make sure the phone app on the phone is robust | 14:20 | |
| Laney | when did you first start seeing this behaviour? | 14:21 |
| seb128 | since we started using gsettings | 14:21 |
| Laney | interesting | 14:22 |
| Laney | locale related? | 14:22 |
| seb128 | dunno, why would it? | 14:22 |
| seb128 | it's a corruption | 14:23 |
| desrt | seb128: there's a much easier way to ensure the app is robust: install the schema | 14:23 |
| seb128 | it works 9 times on 10 run | 14:23 |
| desrt | :) | 14:23 |
| seb128 | desrt, robust means = if your disk is corrupted, the schemas missing, etc, you still have a chance the app keep working | 14:23 |
| seb128 | it might not | 14:23 |
| desrt | if disk corruption results in part of the application going missing then it's true that the application may not run properly | 14:24 |
| seb128 | but the chance is higher when it doesn't abort just because e.g the configured ringtone schemas is missing | 14:24 |
| * desrt raises a glass to not having old arguments | 14:24 | |
| seb128 | ;-) | 14:24 |
| seb128 | I told you, don't get me started on that :p | 14:24 |
| desrt | fair enough! | 14:24 |
| seb128 | we have to agree on disagreeing there | 14:25 |
| seb128 | it also annoys me that I've to make system settings depends on the phone app, which is not available in the archive yet, to be able to start it | 14:25 |
| seb128 | I would prefer have a if(key not there) hide that ui | 14:25 |
| desrt | this API exists now | 14:26 |
| desrt | and it's fast and convenient | 14:26 |
| desrt | g_settings_schema_source_lookup (g_settings_schema_source_get_default (), "your.schema.name") | 14:26 |
| seb128 | yeah, I just need to get larsu to provide a qt api in gsettings-qt | 14:26 |
| seb128 | since I'm calling from qml | 14:27 |
| desrt | i think he's already doing that, no? | 14:27 |
| desrt | with his dont-abort-like-desrt patch | 14:27 |
| seb128 | it doesn't abort on missing key | 14:27 |
| seb128 | but it does on missing schemas | 14:27 |
| desrt | ah | 14:27 |
| * desrt wonders how it could ever have aborted on missing keys | 14:28 | |
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| larsu | desrt: g_settings_get_range() with a missing key aborts iirc | 14:30 |
| larsu | seb128: hm, when do you get this message? | 14:30 |
| desrt | larsu: but don't you have to enumerate the keys in the schema in the first place in order to spin up the property map? | 14:30 |
| desrt | ie: how is it even possible that you'd get a request coming in for a key that's not in the map? | 14:31 |
| seb128 | larsu, that's happening in system-settings on start, once every 10 run ... seems like some sort of corruption :/ | 14:31 |
| seb128 | larsu, the code doesn't do anything special, it just use a GSettings and read one key | 14:31 |
| larsu | desrt: there's an api settings.schema.choice(nameofkey) | 14:31 |
| larsu | desrt: pass the wrong nameofkey, boom. | 14:31 |
| desrt | ah | 14:31 |
| desrt | ya... you should protect against that | 14:32 |
| pitti | hey larsu, wie gehts? | 14:32 |
| desrt | this isn't C, after all :) | 14:32 |
| seb128 | larsu, I'm hitting it in different panels | 14:32 |
| desrt | pitti: hey... i wanted to ask you about your jetlag system | 14:32 |
| larsu | desrt: ya, that's the dont-abort-like-desrt patch | 14:32 |
| larsu | pitti: gut danke! How was your weekend? | 14:32 |
| pitti | larsu: brainmelting :) | 14:32 |
| larsu | seb128: weird. I'll have a look. | 14:33 |
| pitti | larsu: we've been to Dresden, but didn't get that much done really aside from BBQ and idling at the beach :) | 14:33 |
| seb128 | pitti, when do you start you holidays? I though you said they were conflicting with GUADEC, must be soon? | 14:33 |
| pitti | seb128: yes, next week | 14:33 |
| larsu | pitti: ya, same here :) | 14:34 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: soo, can we mir lp-solve quicky? it seems to have been in main at least twice (see bug 305790) and has been on upstream version 5.5.0 since at least lucid: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lp-solve | 14:35 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 305790 in xom (Ubuntu Jaunty) "MIR - move to main for openoffice.org 3 build-depends" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/305790 | 14:35 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: trouble is: I am using libreoffices own copy of lp-solve and its causing all kinds of stupid dependency trouble ... | 14:36 |
| jbicha | desrt: how do you recommend fixing bug 1195481? | 14:36 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1195481 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "[power]: gnome-control-center crashes if indicator-power is not installed in Unity" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195481 | 14:36 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, check with doko or mterry maybe? but it has been in main it should be fine | 14:36 |
| desrt | jbicha: lots of good ways to deal with that | 14:37 |
| desrt | jbicha: could move the custom indicator to the indicator-power package like datetime does it | 14:37 |
| sil2100 | seb128: \o/ Tests passed \o/ | 14:38 |
| sil2100 | seb128: can I publish unity? | 14:38 |
| desrt | jbicha: could move the key to g-c-c and add a dep from the indicator to g-c-c | 14:38 |
| seb128 | sil2100, excellent, please do! | 14:38 |
| desrt | jbicha: could add a dep from g-c-c to the indicator | 14:38 |
| sil2100 | seb128: we'll have it in proposed and ready for the transition | 14:38 |
| desrt | jbicha: could move the schema to some other package like gs-d-s and make both depend on that | 14:38 |
| desrt | or you could do the conditional thing i mentioned above | 14:38 |
| jbicha | desrt: yeah the last one is the one I'm looking for | 14:39 |
| desrt | that's the least-good one :p | 14:39 |
| desrt | but ya... might make sense in this case | 14:39 |
| desrt | i kinda like the datetime approach, fwiw | 14:39 |
| jbicha | desrt: because you're hoping gnome-control-center gets forked? | 14:40 |
| desrt | not because of that | 14:40 |
| desrt | you need to think of schemas like you think of libraries.... | 14:40 |
| sil2100 | alex-abreu: ping! | 14:40 |
| sil2100 | alex-abreu: hi! | 14:40 |
| desrt | so either a) they're API or b) they're private | 14:41 |
| alex-abreu | sil2100, hi! | 14:41 |
| sil2100 | alex-abreu: could you add me to ~cordova-ubuntu ? | 14:41 |
| desrt | having all users of the schema in the same package means that you get option (b) which is all-around nicer | 14:41 |
| alex-abreu | sil2100, sure | 14:41 |
| Sweetshark | doko, mterry: see above -- do we need to do all the redtape for getting lp-solve 5.5 into main for the third time? | 14:41 |
| desrt | plus... why have custom code installed (even if disabled) to deal with an indicator that's not installed? | 14:41 |
| sil2100 | alex-abreu: since I need to fix the cu2d webapps stack and need to be part of the team to do that ;) | 14:41 |
| sil2100 | alex-abreu: thanks! | 14:42 |
| alex-abreu | sil2100, done .. welcome in the team ! :) | 14:42 |
| sil2100 | ;p | 14:42 |
| mterry | Sweetshark, looking | 14:42 |
| Sweetshark | mterry: note its still supported in main in lucid anyway with that upstream version. | 14:43 |
| mterry | Sweetshark, yeah. that's fine. | 14:43 |
| mterry | approved :) | 14:43 |
| * Sweetshark gives mterry a hug. | 14:44 | |
| jbicha | desrt: I attached a MP to the bug which is one fix (having Unity depend on indicator-power) but bschaefer wasn't so sure that was right | 14:45 |
| desrt | jbicha: move the panel is your best bet, imho | 14:46 |
| desrt | keeping patches out of the g-c-c package and shipping override panels alongside indicators is the best way | 14:46 |
| jbicha | desrt: that's a lot more work though and it will mean that the Ubuntu versions will likely get outdated (but at least the UI would be more stable from release to release) | 14:47 |
| jbicha | also there's bug 1197662 | 14:49 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1197647 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1197662 Date & Time applet in control center does not start" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1197647 | 14:49 |
| jbicha | oops I mean bug 1187981 | 14:50 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1187981 in gnome-control-center "symbol conflicts in libtimezonemap1" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1187981 | 14:50 |
| desrt | fun! | 14:52 |
| desrt | maybe we should fork g-c-c... | 14:52 |
| desrt | (why didn't we do this already?!?) | 14:53 |
| seb128 | because it's work and nobody did it (yet), and because have 2 different g-c-c on top of 1 g-s-d is impractical | 14:54 |
| seb128 | so it requires some thinking about g-s-d, or also forking that ... but then it starts being tricky | 14:54 |
| jbicha | because we can *almost* make things work without forking | 14:54 |
| seb128 | it might be easier to just 'fork' a few panels | 14:54 |
| * qengho had to flip to a VT, run "startx -- :4 -ac; sleep 5; DISPLAY=:4 xterm" to bootstrap a GUI this morning. Ouch. | 15:14 | |
| seb128 | jbicha, seems like only plasma-widget-kimpanel is missing for the ibus transition ... did you talk to the kubuntu guys about it/do you plan an upload? | 15:20 |
| attente | seb128, can we upload a new accountsservice? | 15:21 |
| seb128 | attente, hey, sure, what change do you need? | 15:22 |
| seb128 | (I don't see a new upstream version nor a pending sponsoring request) | 15:23 |
| attente | seb128, it's for the input sources | 15:23 |
| attente | it's already proposed upstream | 15:23 |
| seb128 | do you have the bug url? | 15:23 |
| attente | but it's still pending | 15:23 |
| seb128 | ok | 15:23 |
| attente | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63086 | 15:23 |
| ubot2` | Freedesktop bug 63086 in general "Add KeyboardLayouts property" [Enhancement,New] | 15:23 |
| seb128 | did you talk to Stef about it? | 15:23 |
| attente | yes | 15:23 |
| attente | i should follow up again though | 15:24 |
| seb128 | right | 15:24 |
| seb128 | I would prefer if he could ack the name/format before we backport it | 15:24 |
| seb128 | so we don't build on a variable type/format that might change | 15:25 |
| attente | seb128, ok, sounds good | 15:26 |
| seb128 | attente, let me know when you hear back from Stef, then we can upload | 15:26 |
| attente | seb128, sure | 15:27 |
| seb128 | attente, btw ibus 1.5 is in saucy-proposed, you can ping alesage about daily landing I think (that was blocked on ibus to be available iirc?) | 15:27 |
| alesage | seb128, ok I'll get that job going | 15:29 |
| seb128 | alesage, thanks ;-) | 15:29 |
| alesage | attente ^^ | 15:29 |
| asac | pitti: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upower/+bug/1203655 ... is that the bug that causes my thinkpad to not go to sleep when i close the lid? | 15:51 |
| ubot2` | Ubuntu bug 1203655 in upower (Ubuntu) "Hangs in pthread_join in libusb_exit" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:51 |
| asac | larsu: ^ | 15:52 |
| asac | let me know if you want me to extract something fro debugging or so | 15:52 |
| larsu | asac: I think it's related (I have the same issue), but I haven't had time to verify it yet | 15:52 |
| pitti | asac: I don't know; could be | 15:52 |
| pitti | asac: my laptop suspends just fine, and larsu couldn't reproduce it yet, I don't have any other data | 15:52 |
| * larsu had the unsuspended-laptop-in-backpack-problem because of that | 15:53 | |
| pitti | I suspended/resumed it a lot over the weekend | 15:53 |
| larsu | pitti: I didn't have it in the last couple of das either. I'll keep an eye on it, though | 15:53 |
| asac | i can suspend through menu | 15:54 |
| asac | not when closing the lid | 15:54 |
| asac | it just goes in heat mode | 15:55 |
| pitti | asac: does it suspend when you Ctrl+Alt+F1 ? | 15:55 |
| seb128 | Laney, larsu, kenvandine: hum, are the gsettings key value supposed to update on key change? | 16:15 |
| seb128 | I'm doing | 16:16 |
| seb128 | GSettings { | 16:16 |
| seb128 | id: soundSettings | 16:16 |
| seb128 | schema.id: "com.ubuntu.touch.sound" | 16:16 |
| seb128 | ... | 16:16 |
| seb128 | SilentModeWarning { visible: soundSettings.silentMode } | 16:16 |
| seb128 | but the visibility doesn't toggle when the key change | 16:16 |
| seb128 | if I do use a prop and do "onChanged: { if (key == "silentMode") silentMode = value" it works though | 16:17 |
| larsu | seb128: they are supposed to and there are tests that they do... | 16:17 |
| seb128 | hum | 16:17 |
| seb128 | I wonder what I'm doing wrong there | 16:17 |
| larsu | me too :) | 16:17 |
| larsu | it looks totally fine to me | 16:17 |
| larsu | any warnings when loading the script | 16:18 |
| larsu | ? | 16:18 |
| seb128 | no | 16:18 |
| larsu | how are you changing the visibility, with gsettings set? | 16:18 |
| larsu | oops, silentMode of course | 16:18 |
| seb128 | yes | 16:19 |
| seb128 | and it works if I do "onChanged: { if (key == "silentMode") silentMode = value | 16:19 |
| seb128 | in my GSettings {} | 16:19 |
| larsu | ah, right | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | that doesn't work | 16:20 |
| larsu | and you're sure the visible thing works? | 16:20 |
| seb128 | larsu, http://paste.ubuntu.com/5925776/ | 16:24 |
| seb128 | $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons false | 16:24 |
| seb128 | $ gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons true | 16:24 |
| seb128 | does it change for you dynamically? | 16:24 |
| seb128 | larsu: the previous version doesn't reflect changes for me, that one does: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5925784/ | 16:26 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, hey, "that doesn't work" ... you confirm what I'm seeing? | 16:26 |
| larsu | seb128: same problem here. Definitely a bug | 16:27 |
| seb128 | larsu, ok, let me file one | 16:27 |
| larsu | seb128: let me finish ubiquity first please, I've had too many distractions today already :) | 16:27 |
| larsu | seb128: thanks! | 16:27 |
| xnox | larsu: yes, please, that =) | 16:28 |
| kenvandine | larsu, remember it doesn't automatically bind the property | 16:29 |
| kenvandine | at least that is what i seem to recall | 16:30 |
| larsu | kenvandine: well, it should in that direction | 16:30 |
| larsu | kenvandine: the problem was that it didn't in the other (checking a checkbox didn't update the key) | 16:30 |
| kenvandine | oh right | 16:30 |
| seb128 | larsu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-qt/+bug/1206181 | 16:30 |
| ubot2` | Ubuntu bug 1206181 in gsettings-qt (Ubuntu) "the properties don't get updated when the key value changes" [Undecided,New] | 16:30 |
| kenvandine | sorry for the confusion... :) | 16:30 |
| larsu | seb128: thanks | 16:31 |
| kenvandine | that did work :) | 16:31 |
| larsu | kenvandine: no worries | 16:31 |
| * kenvandine goes back to ofono | 16:31 | |
| kenvandine | :) | 16:31 |
| seb128 | larsu, sorry for adding to your day IRC ping-o-load (welcome to most of our days :p) | 16:31 |
| * seb128 goes for some exercice | 16:31 | |
| kenvandine | seb128, btw i am able to get those serviceNumbers from ofono-qt just fine | 16:32 |
| larsu | seb128: enjoy! | 16:32 |
| kenvandine | just fighting a little exposing it to qml | 16:32 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, nice! | 16:32 |
| kenvandine | should have it ready today | 16:32 |
| larsu | seb128: usually it doesn't bother me, but otday was just crazy | 16:32 |
| seb128 | larsu, yeah, I know how it is when pings don't stop and you can focus 15 min on code ;-) Anyway going for some exercice, maybe you manage to get an hour of quiet hacking :p | 16:34 |
| larsu | xnox: https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/ubiquity/fix-indicators/+merge/177438 | 17:34 |
| larsu | seb128: thanks for bringing this to my attention, it was a regression that I introduced with the c++ split. Fixed and MRed, would love a review ;) | 17:52 |
| seb128 | larsu, great, thanks for fixing it! | 17:56 |
| robru | pitti, hi, yes, I can have a look. where are the failures? | 18:08 |
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| ritz | hi , could someone look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-session/+bug/1206231 | 19:27 |
| ubot2` | ritz: Error: ubuntu bug 1206231 not found | 19:27 |
| ritz | wrong channel | 19:27 |
| ritz | hmmm, ubuntu-security ^^^ | 19:28 |
| sarnold | hrm, I can't load it either. | 19:29 |
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| ritz | sarnold adding you | 19:30 |
| ritz | not a very high prio | 19:30 |
| ritz | but annoying | 19:30 |
| ritz | sarnold mark this as public ? | 19:32 |
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| desrt | seb128: hey. been following the conversation? | 19:46 |
| desrt | i think we should drop per-user layouts at the login screen. they don't make sense. | 19:47 |
| seb128 | desrt, hey, hum, no ... where was that? #gnome-hackers? | 19:47 |
| desrt | ya | 19:47 |
| desrt | ah. you're not there. | 19:47 |
| seb128 | (I'm not on there anymore most of the time) | 19:47 |
| desrt | i think we should just have one global system default | 19:47 |
| desrt | the idea that the keyboard layout changes after you type the username but before the password is _really_ weird | 19:48 |
| desrt | (and only slightly less weird if you pick the user by mouse) | 19:48 |
| seb128 | we don't type the username | 19:48 |
| seb128 | we don't have a username entry | 19:48 |
| seb128 | we click on it | 19:48 |
| desrt | i know. please read again :) | 19:48 |
| seb128 | and it makes sense to type the password in the keyboard layout you use | 19:48 |
| desrt | right... but a computer has a keyboard attached to it, right? | 19:49 |
| seb128 | was that discussion mostly between qwerty users? | 19:49 |
| desrt | one particular kind of keyboard | 19:49 |
| desrt | like... in your case, we have a setting on a harddisk that's physically bolted into a machine that has an azerty keyboard on top | 19:49 |
| seb128 | I'm typing azerty on qwerty keyboard (ok, not the majority but still) | 19:49 |
| desrt | so why not always use azerty at the login screen? | 19:49 |
| seb128 | what about university kind of setups? | 19:50 |
| seb128 | or libraries | 19:50 |
| seb128 | or internet cafés | 19:50 |
| desrt | maybe... | 19:50 |
| seb128 | well, the feature is no expensive to support and is handy in some cases | 19:52 |
| seb128 | I guess we can keep it as Ubuntu specific if upstream is not interested | 19:52 |
| desrt | i'm trying to decide if upstream should be interested | 19:52 |
| desrt | or if ubuntu should drop the feature :p | 19:52 |
| seb128 | the cost is lost, do they just object on principle? even if it's useless for 90% of users, it's not cluttering UI or creating work... | 19:52 |
| desrt | do you have your system keyboard layout configured to azerty? | 19:52 |
| seb128 | is *low* | 19:53 |
| seb128 | yes | 19:53 |
| seb128 | but let's say I do a guest account for dholbach because I stay at his place for a while and he's going to use my laptop | 19:53 |
| seb128 | he doesn't know azerty | 19:53 |
| seb128 | he's probably going to use qwerty | 19:54 |
| seb128 | well, I don't get what's the cost/issue to just have one list of values by user there | 19:54 |
| seb128 | it's not the most useful feature in the world | 19:54 |
| seb128 | but the cost is low... | 19:54 |
| desrt | well | 19:54 |
| desrt | my issue with it is that we now have the list of keyboard layouts used by the user in two places | 19:54 |
| desrt | accountsservice and gsettings | 19:54 |
| desrt | and we have to keep them in sync | 19:54 |
| desrt | also: it's not clear how we should select the default | 19:55 |
| jbicha | why does gsettings need the keyboard layout if accountsservice can do it? | 19:55 |
| desrt | probably we don't want the user changing the layout in the session with a hotkey to change what is used at the login screen next time | 19:55 |
| desrt | jbicha: accountsservice doesn't do it yet... at least not upstream | 19:55 |
| seb128 | desrt, does changing in the session change what you get in the session at next login? | 19:56 |
| jbicha | right but when it does... | 19:56 |
| seb128 | desrt, for me it's simple, we have a ordered list configured in gnome-control-center | 19:56 |
| seb128 | the first item is the default | 19:56 |
| desrt | seb128: i don't know. should it? | 19:56 |
| seb128 | on the login screen and in the session | 19:56 |
| seb128 | no | 19:56 |
| desrt | these are the questions i am currently trying to think through :) | 19:57 |
| attente | i guess it's a backwards compatibility issue? do we remove the schema if accountsservice handles it, or keep it and sync.. | 19:57 |
| seb128 | I think we should respect the configuration and always apply defaults on fresh boot/login | 19:57 |
| desrt | that's not how the session side currently works | 19:57 |
| desrt | it remembers the one from last time | 19:57 |
| seb128 | the cycling you do in a session is in session state | 19:57 |
| desrt | whic is arguably bogus... | 19:57 |
| seb128 | well | 19:58 |
| seb128 | depends | 19:58 |
| seb128 | do you use "keymap by win" option | 19:58 |
| desrt | lol | 19:58 |
| seb128 | most people don't use the same input method/keymap in their im client and text editor | 19:58 |
| seb128 | you code in C/english | 19:58 |
| seb128 | you chat in your language | 19:58 |
| seb128 | "lol" but welcome to keymap fun ;-) | 19:58 |
| seb128 | default state should really be whatever you defined the default, at every login | 19:59 |
| seb128 | then users change the config according to the context | 19:59 |
| desrt | i think i agree | 19:59 |
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| sarnold | ritz_: public makes sense to me | 20:58 |
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| chrisccoulson | does somebody want to maintain a browser? | 21:07 |
| mdeslaur | lol | 21:07 |
| sarnold | oh no, I'm not falling for that | 21:07 |
| chrisccoulson | :) | 21:07 |
| mdeslaur | IT'S A TRAP! | 21:09 |
| chrisccoulson | i'm just going to pop in to random IRC channels this week and ask the same question | 21:09 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, which one are you giving away? ;-) | 21:24 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, i only have one to give away ;) | 21:25 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, I saw you uploading chromium recently! :p | 21:25 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, oh, i just sponsor stuff for qengho | 21:25 |
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