[02:48] <Woofcat> I wonder if Mark will pitch in a few million to the Edge project if things get close.
[02:49] <Woofcat> As at the current projected donations. It's about to fall below the required sum (linier) http://ubuntu-edge.info/
[02:50] <dejello> Hello
[02:59] <troyready> Woofcat, he (fortunately or unfortunately) said that he wouldn't: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1j166z/hi_im_mark_shuttleworth_founder_of_ubuntu/cba4b3n
[03:03] <dmj_nova> Woofcat: he won't pitch into the 32M, but he'll do what he needs to to make sure the backers get their phones if the project succeeds
[03:09] <Woofcat> Well damn, I kinda feel if the Ubuntu Forums were up it would have a better chance.
[03:10] <Woofcat> Since lots of people have questions, etc. what will the bootloader do etc. That could be roughed out, (obviously everything is subject to change in a project)
[03:11] <Woofcat> A since I don't want to seem like a whiney bitch, I already ordered mine.
[03:13] <dejello> SOrry if this has been answered by anyone else, but since updating the repos a little bit back I've been seeing this: http://pastebin.com/rUKyPsFh   during building.  Not sure if it's related at all to the bootloops I'm getting these days or not (yes I know they've switched to the flipped images), just figured I'd see if anyone might know.
[03:22] <dmj_nova> Woofcat: I don't think you're being whiney, you're trying to help
[03:22] <dmj_nova> Plus, the last few days have been weekend
[03:22] <dmj_nova> which are usually slower for campaigns
[03:22] <Woofcat> dmj_nova: I just fear it getting to 15-20 million and stalling out.
[03:23] <Woofcat> That's fairly close, and Mark has 500+ million. Spare some interest, lol.
[03:23] <dmj_nova> Woofcat: if it gets to 20 million, I'm pretty certain it won't stall out
[03:24] <dmj_nova> (unless it's only reached $20 million in the final day)
[03:24] <dmj_nova> It's getting from $7 million to $15-20 million that's hard.
[03:32] <wilee-nilee> I doubt it will reach 32 million, hope it does but probably not.
[03:33] <wilee-nilee> needs a funder
[03:36] <dmj_nova> wilee-nilee: I'm cautiously optimistic
[03:36] <dmj_nova> it will not be easy
[03:36] <dmj_nova> and we all need to do everything we can to help it succeed
[03:36] <wilee-nilee> for sure I would fund it if I had the money.
[03:37] <dmj_nova> but it's very possible
[03:37] <dmj_nova> even small amounts can help
[03:37] <dmj_nova> and spreading the word, explaining why it's important and what the benefits are
[03:38] <wilee-nilee> I spend about 12 hrs a day on the irc helping ubuntu users they get my value there in my own business I make 100$ per hour.
[03:39] <wilee-nilee> So I work as little as possible, money is not my main goal in life.
[03:39] <wilee-nilee> freedom is
[04:10] <dejello> hmm...  apparently phablet-dev-bootstrap -c doesn't update the manifest file..  downloaded the most recent version and repo synced...  seems to have fixed that issue...
[05:21] <AskUbuntu> Rollout plan for ubuntu touch on android devices | http://askubuntu.com/q/325912
[05:29] <asafegous> Wasapenin
[05:30] <asafegous> Gooten tag?
[05:30] <asafegous> Konickiwa
[05:31] <asafegous> I come in peace
[05:32] <asafegous> Someone told me ubuntu touch sucks anyways
[05:34] <popey> That escalated quickly.
[05:34] <popey> asafegous: can I help you?
[05:36] <asafegous> I have a sprint s4
[05:38] <asafegous> And a single core 32bit box
[05:38] <popey> Ok.
[05:39] <asafegous> The problem is that my mobile device doesnt have ubuntu touch on it
[05:39] <popey> I don't think anyone has ported Ubuntu Touch to any S4 devices
[05:40] <asafegous> Does the s4 have the cooties?
[05:41] <asafegous> How do i merge device branch to this badboy
[05:41] <popey> Well, someone needs to do the port. We support Nexus devices, community people develop ports.. as you can see at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[05:42] <asafegous> I got that. Right about now i need some si se pude
[05:42] <popey> si se pude?
[05:42] <asafegous> Puede
[05:42] <asafegous> Yes i can
[05:43] <popey> The Sprint S has the additional issue that it's CDMA which we don't currently support.
[06:39] <Dhiren> can i install ubuntu touch on Samsung Galaxy Note II ?
[06:41] <popey> Dhiren: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices is it listed there?
[06:44] <dmj_nova> Edge campaign just broke $7M
[06:46] <popey> indeed
[06:46] <popey> \o/
[07:03] <dholbach> good morning
[07:16] <murgero> Hey guys..
[07:16] <murgero> Need some quick help if anyone is open
[07:17] <murgero> I cannot get past the command brunch <device>
[07:17] <murgero> the error that comes up is something along the lines of "Variant Kernel" and a couple others
[07:40] <murgero> Anyone wanna help a noob?
[08:27] <mardy> Laney: hi! I fixed the issue with https://code.launchpad.net/~mardy/ubuntu-system-settings/plugin-invocation/+merge/176929, please let me know if it's acceptable (I don't mind your solution either, it's just that I believe this is what potential contributors would be more familiar with)
[08:28] <Laney> mardy: OK, let's take it for now, thanks
[09:07] <JamesTait> Good morning all, happy Tiger Day! :-D
[09:39] <user82> any idea when ubuntu touch will work on n4 with android 4.3 bootloader/radio?
[09:51] <popey> user82: i dont think we have tested that
[09:51] <user82> popey, ogra_ said it will break
[09:51] <user82> mine did not want to flash properly, should i try again?
[09:51] <user82> probablly a clockworkmod issue
[09:52]  * ogra_ definitely didnt say that
[09:52] <ogra_> i said we dont support it yet
[09:52] <user82> aah
[09:52] <user82> then i will try again...
[09:52] <ogra_> try what ?
[09:53] <ogra_> you wont be able use 4.3.3 without porting work ... and thats currently not a high prio on our side
[09:54] <ogra_> (feel free to port and send patches indeed)
[09:57] <k1l_> i got someone here who claims his phablet-flash wants to load the image from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/  but it should be http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/current/ . is this just a not uptodate phablet-flash or is this a regular case?
[09:57] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: nerochiaro can you take a look? https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/notes-app/testing_artifacts/+merge/177351
[09:57] <popey> k1l_: old phablet-flash probaly
[09:57] <popey> k1l_: apt-cache policy phablet-tools
[09:57] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: nerochiaro diff has been uploading forever though
[09:58] <popey> k1l_: 0.15+13.10.20130723-0ubuntu1 is what I have
[09:58] <user82> ogra_, i try the phablet tool again
[09:59] <k1l_> popey: yep, will tell him to run the updates and will look for that version he uses
[10:01] <user82> btw phablet-flash messes up for me. it pushes files to /sdcard/ and then tells to install from /sdcard/0/. is that a bug?
[10:02] <popey> user82: what device?
[10:02] <user82> a nexus 4
[10:02] <popey> sounds like you have multi-user active
[10:02] <user82> popey, yes indeed
[10:02] <user82> can i disable that?
[10:02] <popey> i suspect so
[10:02] <popey> in settings somewhere
[10:03] <user82> allright thanks
[10:03] <popey> I dont think we have tested flashing on a multi-user setup device
[10:03] <user82> long time ago it was active...wonder why it still exists
[10:03] <popey> i might test though and see if i can file a bug abpout it
[10:04] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: looking. it's basically adding test coverage measurements, right ? should have no impact on the actual tests being run
[10:04] <user82> should not be a big deal..
[10:04] <user82> noone really has it active on phones
[10:04] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: yeah, just coverage.xml and xml for each unit
[10:05] <Laney> mardy: have some time to halp me with my lack of Qt knowledge? I have a QSortFilterProxyModel that's backed by a QAbstractTableModel populated by a worker thread. I want it to be dynamically sorted whenever the thread supplies a new row but the sort isn't being applied. I guess I'm not calling some method correctly to notify the proxy that it needs to apply the sort, but what? lp:~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/timedate-populate-thread
[10:05] <popey> user82: yeah, i have it active on nexus 7 though, family dablet
[10:06] <mardy> Laney: I think there was some flag to set to have the filter work live, let me check...
[10:06] <Laney> mardy: yes, setDynamicSortFilter(true), which I'm calling
[10:06] <user82> popey, do you know how to revert it? i guess it breaks to move everything from /sdcard/0/ to /sdcard/?
[10:06] <Laney> it's supposed to sort by the display name by default which indeed is what I want
[10:06] <Laney> but it just doesn't happen
[10:07] <davmor2> popey: dablet?   A tablet you dabble with?
[10:07] <davmor2> welcome back popey
[10:07] <Laney> my lessThan is never called either (but that shouldn't be needed)
[10:07] <Laney> so I guess I'm missing some signal emission or something
[10:08] <popey> user82: no idea
[10:09] <user82> allright thanks.
[10:09] <mardy> Laney: did you try to check whether updating your QAbstractTableModel works fine (by removing the proxy)?
[10:09] <popey> i would end up googling for the answer
[10:09] <Laney> mardy: I see all of the results through the proxy
[10:09] <mardy> Laney: maybe you are missing "beginInserRows"/"endInsertRows" and similar
[10:09] <mardy> Laney: ah, and they simply are not sorted?
[10:09] <Laney> have those
[10:09] <Laney> correct
[10:09] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: looks ok to me, if you made sure everything still builds fine i'm just going to approve it
[10:11] <popey> thanks davmor2
[10:11] <mardy> Laney: is the model empty, when you connect it to the filter, or has it some data already?
[10:12] <Laney> mardy: I guess it's empty
[10:12] <user82> popey, i moved everything from /sdcard/0/ to /sdcard. let me see if it breaks!
[10:12] <Laney> mardy: the constructor of the model starts the worker thread
[10:13] <mardy> Laney: and add a Q_DECL_OVERRIDE next to the declaration of the lessThan() method, to make sure that the signature matches that of the virtual method :-)
[10:13] <davmor2> popey: It's only so I don't have to kill my phone first with the daily updates ;)
[10:13] <mardy> Laney: other than that, I wouldn't know... can I see the code?
[10:13] <Laney> mardy: I gave you the branch earlier ;-)
[10:13] <Laney> lp:~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/timedate-populate-thread
[10:13] <mardy> Laney: oh :-)
[10:14] <Laney> lessThan shouldn't even be needed though if I want to use the default display name sorting
[10:14] <Laney> IIUC
[10:14] <popey> takes _ages_ to run all the autopilot tests on a device
[10:15] <popey> over an hour so far
[10:15] <ogra_> apw, could someone from the kernel team look into https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-mako-smoke-unity8-autopilot/2/console ... seems that "WARNING: at /build/buildd/linux-mako-3.4.0/net/wireless/scan.c:590" causes a network re-connect which in turn breaks tests
[10:17] <apw> ogra_, see what we can do.  old poc kernels you guys insist on
[10:17] <apw> ogra_, which one is mako ?  is that N4
[10:17] <ogra_> not we ... vendor blobs do
[10:17] <ogra_> yeah
[10:18] <apw> ogra_, using vendor blobs i blame on you, therefore ... QED ... you are to blame for global warming :)
[10:18] <ogra_> haha
[10:18] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: it shouldn't, I tested locally, but we can wait for -ci to return
[10:22] <user82> ogra_, it works with android 4.3 stuff. my mistake with the multiuser chaos
[10:23] <nerochiaro> sergiusens: i comment-approved it, when jenkins is done with CI feel free to apporove it yourself if everything passes
[10:23] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: great, thanks
[10:23] <ogra_> user82, oh, you havent been clear that you wanted to flash *onto* an android 4.3 device, i thought you asked when ubuntu touch will use 4.3
[10:23] <duflu> Is there a bug for the new phablet images going adb-AWOL? The Nexus4 keeps vanishing from the "adb devices" list
[10:23] <ogra_> user82, sorry for misunderstanding
[10:24] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: your MR is approved too
[10:24] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: thanks
[10:24] <user82> ogra_, yeah that was what i did. with bootloader 20i and radio 84 (i believe)
[10:24] <ogra_> duflu, works fine on a g-nexus here
[10:24] <duflu> Hmm
[10:24] <nerochiaro> zsombi: hi, welcome back. when you have a few minutes can you please ping me ? there's an MR i submitted for fixing IMA issues that I'd like to discuss with you
[10:24] <ogra_> and on my n7
[10:25] <duflu> Well, a lot has changed since I did any Android hacking. But I would have thought a stable adb connection wouldn't
[10:27] <duflu> Actually, it looks like the kernel isn't detecting any USB connect/disconnects now I've updated saucy
[10:33] <duflu> I see. It's the Nexus which keeps disconnecting. Something's up with the new phablet image I got today. That would be a good place to end for the day
[10:35] <zsombi> nerochiaro: howdy, I have ~25 mins till standup, so if that time is enough, we could handle that too
[10:36] <zsombi> nerochiaro: do you have the link to the MR?
[10:41] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/webbrowser-app/testing_artifacts/+merge/177357
[10:44] <mardy> Laney: FYI, I'm quiet because I'm investigating. :-)
[10:44] <Laney> mardy: :-)
[10:44] <Laney> It's foxed me a bit - I hope someone else can get further
[10:45] <mhr3_> Laney, i don't think you can modify a model in a separate thread while a view is attached to it
[10:45] <mhr3_> sounds very thread-scary
[10:47] <Laney> mhr3_: the worker thread passes the items back to the originating one as they become available
[10:47] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: looking, thanks
[10:49] <mardy> Laney: so, one thing I noticed is that if I remove the call to setFilterRegExp in the constructor, the lessThan() method is called
[10:49] <mhr3_> Laney, ah, missed that, then it's safe indeed
[10:49] <mardy> Laney: *many times*, making the app unresponsive for several seconds
[10:50] <Laney> mardy: right, I'd expect it to only operate on small sets
[10:50] <Laney> using the proxy should make this ok
[10:50] <mardy> Laney: yep. Though it's weird, according to the docs doing both both filtering and sorting should be fine
[10:50] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/share-app/testing_artifacts/+merge/177359
[10:51] <Laney> indeed
[10:51] <mardy> Laney: it actually works
[10:52] <Laney> is there some problem telling QML to update its view?
[10:52] <mardy> Laney: I mean, when I type something in the search box, results are sorted
[10:52] <Laney> wtf?!
[10:53] <mardy> Laney: I mean, by removing setFilterRegExp in the constructor
[10:53] <Laney> ah
[10:53] <mardy> Laney: maybe that's because the set is sorted initially, and then the filtering is easy
[10:55] <apw> ogra_, those warnings are literally that, warnings it is not entirely clear they would trigger anything, are we sure they are ?
[10:56] <mardy> Laney: ok, I got some good news: remove both the call to setFilterRegExp and sort() in the constructor, and add m_timeZoneFilterProxy.sort(0); at the end of timedate::setFilter
[10:56] <sergiusens> nerochiaro: one more https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/share-app/testing_artifacts/+merge/177359
[10:56] <mardy> Laney: for some reason then it works, though it's really slow if you type just one letter
[10:57] <mardy> Laney: actually it's not slow, if you remove the qDebug() line in lessThan()
[11:02] <Laney> mardy: Was hoping to not have to do explicit sorting, but oh well
[11:03] <Laney> now how do I get back the initial regexp?
[11:03] <mardy> Laney: it seems you need to call sort() just once, in fact
[11:03] <Laney> could I connect to a signal when the first item comes in then?
[11:04] <mardy> Laney: maybe, let me try a bit more
[11:04] <Laney> ok
[11:04] <mardy> Laney: actually, you don't need to remove the calls to setFilterRegExp
[11:05] <Laney> oh yeah, that does work
[11:05] <Laney> let me try remembering if I've sort()ed before and only doing that once
[11:06] <mardy> Laney: I actually didn't test if that would work, mine was just a guess; it maybe that changing the filter disrupts the sorting
[11:07] <murgero> anyone open to talk today?
[11:08] <popey> murgero: wassup?
[11:08] <murgero> I am having some issues compiling CM10.1 for ubuntu touch
[11:08]  * popey points murgero at sergiusens or rsalveti 
[11:09] <murgero> @sergiusens hello?
[11:09] <murgero> I am also new to IRC :/
[11:09]  * murgero 
[11:09]  * murgero sergiusens hello
[11:09] <Laney> mardy: I pushed to the branch, have a look now
[11:09]  * Laney does an armhf build
[11:10] <popey> murgero: I'd waitr fo
[11:10] <popey> bah
[11:10] <popey> murgero: I'd wait for them to reply, they may not be awake right now, in other timezones
[11:10] <sergiusens> murgero: what's the issue?
[11:10] <sergiusens> murgero: but agree with popey, don't ultra ping ;-)
[11:10] <murgero> Sorry! I am new to IRC
[11:10] <murgero> anyway
[11:11] <murgero> I am getting a variant kernel error, along with error code 1 and 2 from make.
[11:11] <murgero> I have started from sctratch like 6 times no luck
[11:11] <murgero> I am trying to follow the tutorial too, but I am new to porting on linux.
[11:12] <sergiusens> murgero: please pastebin the compile output
[11:12] <diwic> seb128 (or anyone else), I'm trying to debug system-settings to figure out how it connects to PulseAudio. Is there a way I can get log information (or similar out of it) ?
[11:12] <murgero> I would love to, but I am currently at work, progress can be checked at my web page: http://urgero.org
[11:13] <popey> murgero: offramp.urgero.org.wsadns.com unknown host
[11:13] <popey> specifically.. "Description: Unable to locate the server named "offramp.urgero.org.wsadns.com (2)" --- the server does not have a DNS entry. Perhaps there is a misspelling in the server name, or the server no longer exists. Double-check the name and try again."
[11:13] <sergiusens> murgero: well I can't locate that host it seems and make 1 and 2 error could be anything
[11:13] <murgero> type it manually : http://urgero.org
[11:13] <mardy> Laney: seems to work fine
[11:13] <murgero> I am using that server now to use IRC.
[11:13] <Laney> indeed
[11:14] <popey> murgero: nope, still fails
[11:14] <seb128> diwic, run it on a command line? but no, there is no explicit debug flag for it
[11:14] <Laney> I wonder/hope it actually speeds it up on the device :P
[11:14] <mardy> Laney: if you have some time, I'd recommend building a smaller test case and filing a bug to Qt
[11:14] <murgero> My ISP is updating DNS right now :/ I'll pastebin a typed out copy from a screenshot
[11:14] <seb128> diwic, system settings doesn't do anything special, it just use qtmultimedia
[11:14] <Laney> mardy: ok, will try to do
[11:14] <Laney> thanks for the help
[11:14] <mardy> Laney: yw
[11:15] <mardy> Laney: maybe it's really a bug: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/16222797/sort-a-qabstractlistmodel-derived-model-by-role-in-qml-listview
[11:16] <seb128> diwic, if you want a simpler testcase: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5924884/
[11:16] <seb128> diwic, just save that as a file and run qmlscene savedfile.qml
[11:16] <diwic> seb128, thanks, will try
[11:16] <murgero> Here is the last like 20 lines output that I can read: http://pastebin.com/WaZTwZSh
[11:17] <Laney> mardy: which part of that do you think is the same as this case?
[11:18] <murgero> sergiusens: so?
[11:18] <mardy> Laney: maybe the bus is that if you don't call sort() after all the items are retrieved, it won't work
[11:18] <mardy> Laney: but I really don't know :-)
[11:18] <Laney> :P
[11:19] <Laney> I guess with this workaround/solution we're doing more sorting than we need to
[11:19] <Laney> maybe not though
[11:19] <Laney> dunno
[11:21] <sergiusens> murgero: you need to remove the dalvik specific targets for PART2 and I'll need to see your device repo to figure out PART 1
[11:21] <murgero> D2USC is the repo I am using
[11:21] <murgero> what do you mean remove the dalvik specific targets?
[11:23] <murgero> Hey sorry about that, lost connection.
[11:24] <murgero> ws/help
[11:25] <popey> gema, not sure this is a QA issue or ui toolkit.. but bug 1206088 and bug 1206086 are causing autopilot tests to fail on my mako device.
[11:29] <jezza> Hi folks
[11:29] <murgero> What's up?
[11:29] <jezza> does anyone know where the contacts are in the "latest" preloaded daily?
[11:29] <murgero> I am still trying to figure out how to build it lol
[11:30] <jezza> its not where the release notes say
[11:30] <murgero> Do you have the right release?
[11:30] <jezza> im talking about the phablet image....
[11:30] <murgero> ah.
[11:30] <murgero> I do not know yet sorrry
[11:30] <jezza> yes, it works well
[11:31] <jezza> what are you building/running?
[11:33] <murgero> I am running a D2USC (S3 US Cellular Variant)
[11:33] <murgero> phablet Saucy build
[11:34] <jezza> ah ok
[11:34] <jezza> woking ok?
[11:42] <murgero> I am still trying to build it. I am having Environment issues.
[11:45] <jalcine> This is a good question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/326004/will-canonical-disable-amazon-and-similar-lenses-by-default
[11:45] <jalcine> If anything, the enabling of such "non-friendly" stuff should be asked upon installation, the same way it asks in Ubuiquity about asking MP3 stuff
[11:46] <murgero> *Ubuntu
[11:49]  * murgero brb
[11:49]  * murgero back
[11:49] <murgero> cool
[11:49] <murgero> wtf? Issues with IRC brb
[11:52] <netcurli> is it correct that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-download-manager will provide the ability for apps to download files in the background on Ubuntu touch devices?
[11:53] <netcurli> and if so, will there be a qt/qml wrapper or do I need to write one myself?
[12:23] <gema> popey: on what image?
[12:27] <popey> gema: Ubuntu Saucy Salamander (development branch) - armhf (20130726.1)
[12:27] <gema> popey: I don't think we are yet running those tests you are describing, right?
[12:28] <popey> gema: you might not but I am ☻
[12:28] <popey> I am running all autopilot tests for all apps
[12:28] <gema> popey: ok, what do you want me to do with those bugs?
[12:28] <popey> gema: well, nothing specifically, i wondered if you'd seen the issue at all, and whether it might be an autopilot one or a toolkit one
[12:29] <popey> so i can assign to the right person
[12:29] <gema> popey: no, I haven't, you may want to talk to the sdk folks and see if they have
[12:29] <gema> or tell them to triage
[12:29] <popey> gema: ok. when you guys run autopilot, and it gets stuck, does someone look at the screen?
[12:29] <popey> i.e. can they tell it's wedged?
[12:30] <gema> popey: no, by the time we get to the stuck phone it is a matter of pushing the power button
[12:30] <popey> gema: that's what I expected ☻
[12:30] <popey> thanks
[12:36] <alecu> cjwatson: here's the output of strace for the packagekitd failure: http://ubuntuone.com/3XWc7La7lJc9DZ3wqgcScQ
[12:37] <alecu> and here's the actual output of packagekitd during that run: from that run with strace: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5925102/
[12:40] <cjwatson> alecu: I really must do something about the error reporting here.  But you're running into https://bugs.launchpad.net/click/+bug/1204523
[12:40] <cjwatson> alecu: I'll see if I can fix that today
[12:41] <alecu> cjwatson: great, I'll see if I can find a workaround for tomorrow's demo. Thanks.
[12:41] <cjwatson> alecu: I should be able to fix it before the demo; but a workaround is to make the download directory readable by the clickpkg user.
[12:41] <cjwatson> (I'd like to avoid having to actually copy the file to a temporary directory, as that could be slow.)
[12:44] <slangasek> sergiusens: hi
[12:46] <sergiusens> slangasek: hey
[12:48] <slangasek> sergiusens: hi! so it's been mentioned to me that you might be working on a patch to phablet-tools to let us bootstrap specific (non-current) system-update images
[12:49] <slangasek> sergiusens: is that true... and is that something you might have soon?  It would be helpful to me to have it before Wednesday, since I'm running a demo and it's difficult to prepare a demo if I can only run any given update once ;)
[12:49] <sergiusens> slangasek: true, when's that demo btw? I can rush it if urgent
[12:49] <slangasek> sergiusens: Wednesday before you wake up
[12:50] <sergiusens> if not EOD today
[12:50] <sergiusens> slangasek: good, it should be done EOD
[12:50] <slangasek> sergiusens: great, thanks!
[13:04] <ogra_> slangasek, just get lots of devices :)
[13:07] <jdstrand> cjwatson: hey, I just noticed that when I install a new version of a click package (eg, evilapp 0.1 and evilapp 0.3), then I have two desktop files in ~/local/share/applications:
[13:07] <jdstrand> com.ubuntu.developer.jdstrand.evilapp_evilapp_0.1.desktop
[13:07] <jdstrand> com.ubuntu.developer.pedrocan.evilapp_evilapp_0.3.desktop
[13:08] <jdstrand> cjwatson: I'm thinking that is not intended, cause shouldn't the user that installed the upgrade get the latest version?
[13:08] <cjwatson> jdstrand: They're different package names
[13:08] <cjwatson> jdstrand != pedrocan
[13:08] <jdstrand> cjwatson: sorry, yes, those are
[13:09] <jdstrand> cjwatson: but I do have:
[13:09] <jdstrand> com.ubuntu.developer.jdstrand.evilapp_evilapp_0.1.desktop
[13:09] <jdstrand> com.ubuntu.developer.jdstrand.evilapp_evilapp_0.2~unreleased.desktop
[13:09] <cjwatson> That's indeed unintended.  Bug please?
[13:12] <tsdgeos> guys
[13:12] <tsdgeos> ueventd is taking 100% on the phone
[13:12] <tsdgeos> any idea?
[13:14] <jdstrand> cjwatson: bug #1206115
[13:14] <rsalveti> tsdgeos: reboot
[13:14] <rsalveti> tsdgeos: we have a race with ueventd and udev sometimes
[13:14] <tsdgeos> rsalveti: ok, that helped
[13:14] <jdstrand> cjwatson: note, this is with click 0.2.6
[13:14] <rsalveti> we're working on a fix as we speak
[13:15] <tsdgeos> awesome
[13:15] <tsdgeos> rsalveti: now it's sensorsservice taking 100% :D
[13:15] <tsdgeos> is that similar?
[13:15] <rsalveti> tsdgeos: think so
[13:15] <tsdgeos> oka
[13:16] <rsalveti> tsdgeos: which image are you using?
[13:16] <tsdgeos> --pending from today
[13:16] <rsalveti> right, then just should be the race
[13:16] <tsdgeos> oki
[13:16] <rsalveti> we had an issue last week with the /factory partition, but that's already fixed with latest
[13:27] <davmor2> popey, ogra_: right how are the images looking today?
[13:28] <ogra_> davmor2, so so http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/
[13:28] <davmor2> ogra_: I'm glad I don't have a manta :)
[13:29] <ogra_> well, yeah, the tablet builds are suffering from slight ignorance
[13:29] <davmor2> ogra_: :D
[13:29] <ogra_> worse is the three failed tests on mako
[13:29] <ogra_> it regressed. so cant release it
[13:30] <ogra_> without looking i guess its the same issue i pointed out to apw from yesterdays log
[13:33] <davmor2> ogra_: from apt-get updates there were issues with both the browser and facebook,  so today I'm doing a flash + --wipe just to see if those got resolved,  browser seg faulted with some lovely warnings and the facebook still failed to open even after the browser was fixed
[13:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: but seems weird, unity8 was 100% for maguro, 90.9% for mako
[13:38] <rsalveti> and sdk failed for mako as well
[13:38] <ogra_> rsalveti, wee the packlog :)
[13:38] <ogra_> *see
[13:39] <ogra_> there is a kernel warning oops ...
[13:39] <ogra_> and it seems that triggers a network re-connect so dbus looses its address
[13:39] <ogra_> at least  thats my theory
[13:40] <apw> ogra_, the networking one?
[13:40] <ogra_> since the symptom seems to be random dbuss issues
[13:40] <rsalveti> ogra_: oh, that's weird
[13:40] <ogra_> apw, yes
[13:40] <rsalveti> but how would wifi be related with dbus?
[13:40] <apw> ogra_, those seem to be completely warnings about bad beacons; and we only show us connecting to the network once as far as i can see before the first one
[13:40] <ogra_> if i look at the logs i see the kernel warning and right after the next dbus call fails
[13:40] <apw> ogra_, as we log about IPv6 not working at the point we ocnnect
[13:40] <apw> dbus is local only so why would netwokring matter to it i wonder
[13:41] <rsalveti> apw: but should be harmless still, right?
[13:41]  * cjwatson tries to think of a decent way to arrange for an arbitrary user to be able to read an arbitrary file, given that I can run some code as root first, but would rather not have to modify the permissions on the original inode
[13:41] <apw> cjwatson, can't you open that file as root, then hand the open r-o file descriptor on
[13:42] <cjwatson> I could create a readable temporary directory and create a hardlink in that, but only if temporary directories are created on the same fs and only if the inode itself is readable
[13:42] <apw> a hard link would have the same ownership though
[13:42] <cjwatson> apw: Additional constraint I forgot to mention is that it must be possible to seek back and forward in the file.  But maybe that will still work
[13:42] <apw> cjwatson, you can seek in an open file if it is a file on disk
[13:42] <cjwatson> I think the reason I mentally discarded that option is incorrect
[13:42] <davmor2> ogra_, popey: oh that's an interesting bug, flash the phone with a wipe,  Wifi is enabled but not connected, 3g is disabled.  Click on the network to connect to and it enables 3g too
[13:42] <cjwatson> So thanks for correcting my brain-failure :)
[13:43] <apw> heh :)  you do it for me all the itme
[13:43] <popey> davmor2: i thought 3g was enabled by default
[13:44] <ogra_> it should, yeah
[13:44] <apw> ogra_, so where is that dbus failure between ?  ie who was talking to who when they noticed; it is possible we handed the results to NM (after the warn) and it didn't like the content either
[13:44] <davmor2> popey: let me reflash ans screenshot as I go
[13:44] <apw> ogra_, as the warning is about contents which make no sense to the kernel but it take no action other than warning
[13:44] <ogra_> apw, my left side of brain was talking to the right one ... nobody else involved :)
[13:45] <cjwatson> apw: I do have to hand over an actual path, not just an fd, but maybe I can use /proc/self/fd/ if sufficiently careful
[13:46] <apw> ogra_, heh i meant in the dbus conversation
[13:46] <apw> cjwatson, yeah that is not an uncommon way to do it
[13:46] <ogra_> cjwatson, couldnt you do a bind mount having the mountpoint have different perms ?
[13:47] <cjwatson> ogra_: Possibly, but I think apw's way is easier, and certainly complexifies the test suite less
[13:47] <ogra_> apw, i think i need to wait for doanac to investigate that part
[13:49] <apw> ogra_, ok let me know what comes of it
[13:57] <slangasek> ogra_: hnngh :)
[13:58] <ogra_> slangasek, ?
[13:58] <ogra_> oh
[13:59] <ogra_> heh
[14:02] <davmor2> ogra_, popey: post flash http://ubuntuone.com/7NuNZPUmYrj4XSizxjQu0p, enable my wifi connection http://ubuntuone.com/2thsWTGY55o2Saxpi32zyx, after adding password http://ubuntuone.com/0FNN6lTQMFDfhfW2tth9qK
[14:03] <popey> davmor2: interesting bug
[14:03] <AskUbuntu> will MATLAB run on Ubuntu Mobile? | http://askubuntu.com/q/326053
[14:04] <ogra_> davmor2, did you try just öeaving it sit for a moment might just be a timely coincidence
[14:04] <ogra_> (i.e. 3G needs a bit to come up and actually goes up in bg while you enable your wifi)
[14:06] <davmor2> ogra_: nope but the first time was maybe 10 minutes before I enable the wifi and that had the same behaviour but let me reflash I'll give you a ping when the desktop is up and then when I enable the wifi
[14:14] <plars> mzanetti: did you see that unity8.indicators_client.tests.test_battery.TestDisplayMenus.test_auto_bright_switch seems to be failing now?
[14:14] <mzanetti> dednick|lunch: ^^
[14:14] <mzanetti> plars: no, we haven't seen that
[14:14] <mzanetti> plars: do you have a link to the logs?
[14:15] <plars> mzanetti: http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3237/unity8-autopilot/ is the results dashboard for maguro
[14:15] <davmor2> ogra_: flashed no 3g....
[14:15] <plars> (not just maguro where it is failing)
[14:16] <plars> mzanetti: from there you can see the console log
[14:16] <mzanetti> plars: do you also record videos?
[14:16] <mzanetti> plars: oh... nvm... just realized its on the phone
[14:16] <mzanetti> it doesn't work there
[14:18] <plars> mzanetti: it looks like it passed yesterday though, so maybe something that landed since then?
[14:19] <ogra_> yeaah, it passed the days before
[14:20] <cjwatson> apw: Hm.  Sadly, /proc/self/fd/$fd has the same permissions as the original
[14:21] <cjwatson> apw: ... in fact it's a symlink to the original
[14:22] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: I commented on https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/webbrowser-app/testing_artifacts/+merge/177357
[14:22] <mzanetti> plars: I'm not really involved in the indicators. once dednick|lunch becomes dednick again I think we should be able to sort that
[14:24] <awe> davmor2, maguro?
[14:24] <awe> davmor2, rsalveti was seeing weirdness with GPRS !attaching on maguro over the weekend.
[14:24] <awe> we landed my 3g fix for the CPU overload problem last night
[14:24] <awe> I'm flashing now on both phones
[14:24]  * davmor2 checks again and still the same
[14:25] <davmor2> awe: yeap maguro
[14:25] <awe> davmor2, what does list-modems tell you?  Is GPRS attached?
[14:25] <rsalveti> run /usr/share/ofono/scripts/list-modems
[14:25] <rsalveti> seem if it's attached
[14:25] <rsalveti> yeah
[14:25] <rsalveti> *see
[14:25] <davmor2> awe: this is really weird,  post flash http://ubuntuone.com/7NuNZPUmYrj4XSizxjQu0p, enable my wifi connection http://ubuntuone.com/2thsWTGY55o2Saxpi32zyx, after adding password http://ubuntuone.com/0FNN6lTQMFDfhfW2tth9qK
[14:25] <rsalveti> mine wasn't attached by default, had to restart ofono for it to be attached
[14:26] <awe> davmor2, why is it weird?
[14:26] <davmor2> awe: post flash no 3g, connect to my ap, and 3g magically connects
[14:26] <ogra_> awe, why would connecting to wlan connect to 3G ?
[14:26] <awe> davmor2, note I can only see the second u1 page.  The first gives me a not-found error
[14:27] <awe> so...  hold on a sec
[14:27] <awe> 3g is always set to connect, if the toggle is on
[14:27] <awe> *if* you enable wi-fi
[14:27] <awe> then we switch the default route to use wifi
[14:27] <awe> however the 3g toggle will still show active
[14:27] <ogra_> the toggle wasnt on in the first pic
[14:27] <awe> as will list-modems
[14:27] <awe> this is the same behavior as android
[14:28] <ogra_> it only switched to on after connecting to wlan
[14:28] <ogra_> might just be a UI issue
[14:28] <cjwatson> ogra_: And for the record, it doesn't appear to be possible for a bind-mount to have different permissions from the original.  Change one and the other magically changes.
[14:28] <ogra_> ah, crap
[14:28] <ogra_> i thought that works
[14:28] <davmor2> awe: My steps are this, 1. flash with --wipe, 2. pull down NM indicator, 3. note 3g is on the x not the tick, 4. Connect to my wireless ap, 5. 3g is no on tick not x
[14:29] <awe> ah...
[14:29] <awe> davmor2, I entered a bug for this last week
[14:29] <awe> lemme double check, because I may have marked it Invalid
[14:30] <awe> thinking it was caused by the same maguro weirdness we saw post 7/19
[14:30] <awe> where GPRs wouldn't attach
[14:30] <awe> and NM was reporting bad values for WirlessEnabled
[14:30] <awe> and WwanEnabled
[14:30] <awe> I still have a suspect something else is causing maguro to misbehave
[14:31] <awe> I'm flashing now, and will see how it looks here
[14:31] <awe> we may need to re-open that bug
[14:32] <awe> davmor2, https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1204661
[14:32] <cjwatson> apw: A friend has suggested an LD_PRELOAD wrapper for a magic path, which may be the right answer here given I already have LD_PRELOAD bits in place
[14:33] <davmor2>     [ org.ofono.ConnectionManager ]
[14:33] <davmor2>         Powered = 1
[14:33] <davmor2>         Attached = 1
[14:33] <awe> davmor2, this is a NM problem then, see the bug I just posted
[14:33] <davmor2> awe: that sounds like your bug then, nm still says the 3g is disconnected
[14:35] <awe> davmor2, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5925458/
[14:35] <awe> davmor2, the toggle just states that data is 'enabled'
[14:36] <awe> at some point, we should have an indicator update that tells us whether there's actually a real data connection
[14:36] <awe> right now the only way to do that, is to use nmcli, or run list-contexts
[14:37] <awe> GPRS 'attached' is a pre-condition for actually having an actual 'active' data connection
[14:37] <davmor2> awe: when do we get a mobile/gprs signal strength displayed?
[14:37] <apw> cjwatson, i wonder what you are going to do in the preload, open what when you see the filename, as you have no rights to open it
[14:38] <davmor2> awe: or should it already in nm-indicator
[14:38] <awe> davmor2, no it's not in the indicator
[14:38] <awe> tedg, ^^
[14:38] <apw> as if you have an open fd to somewhere to ask for the fd you want, would not just having the file open be as good
[14:38] <dednick> plars: where can i find the output of that test?
[14:39] <cjwatson> apw: dup the original fd
[14:39] <tedg> davmor2, awe, Planned for this week, worst case early next.
[14:39] <davmor2> tedg: nice :)
[14:39] <apw> cjwatson, erm, but isn't that exactly what passing /proc/fd/$$/NN is meant to do
[14:39] <cjwatson> apw: Sadly that doesn't have the right permissions
[14:40] <plars> dednick: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/saucy-touch-maguro-smoke-unity8-autopilot/6/console
[14:40] <cjwatson> apw: I tried it - it behaves like a symlink to the (non-dropped-privilege-readable) original
[14:40] <barry> didrocks: hi, are you around?
[14:40] <apw> cjwatson, oh poop
[14:42] <apw> sync
[14:43] <samir_> hi all
[14:44] <samir_> need one quickie...
[14:44] <samir_> by when can i b able to install Ubuntu over my Samsung Galaxy Nexus Prime????
[14:44] <samir_> stable version
[14:44] <samir_> not the developer preview....
[14:47] <davmor2> popey: have you done a wipe recently does the google contact import still work I seem to be getting errors
[14:48] <samir_> anyone????
[14:48] <ogra_> samir_, most likely after there is such a stable version
[14:49] <ogra_> and after the porter (if there is one) decided to rebuild for it
[14:49] <popey> samir_: stable version due in october
[14:49] <samir_> thanks Popey, Ogra....
[14:49] <popey> davmor2: not tried, wiped my phone numerous times today, not done the google contacts thing yet, because I keep wiping it
[14:50] <dednick> plars: i have no idea why that failed. nothing new in indicators in a few days.
[14:53] <dednick> plars: looks like introspection fail, Tapping at: 594,409#01212:55:12.931 ERROR proxies:410 - Introspect error on :1.31:/com/canonical/Autopilot/Introspection: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not
[14:54] <dednick> Jul 29 12:55:48 ubuntu-phablet utah: receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[14:54] <plars> dednick: saw that, is it possible a security policy changed?
[14:54] <thomi>  plars, dednick, that often indicates that the app crashed on us
[14:54] <plars> thomi: ah, ok
[14:55] <dednick> thomi: yeah. what i was thinking
[14:55] <plars> thomi: maybe that should also go in the list of "possible causes" specifically
[14:57] <mhall119> Wellark: hey, can you provide me with some documentation on using the new Actions API for adding things to the HUD?
[14:58] <thomi> we should probably run checks to make sure that the process is still running. Feel free to log a wishlist against AP :)
[14:58]  * thomi heads to a meeting
[15:01] <ogra_> thomi, well, not having 100% test coverage blocks daily image releases, would be good to get this fixed soon
[15:07] <sergiusens> om26er: can you get these in reviewed? https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/mediaplayer-app/testing_artifacts/+merge/177374 https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/webbrowser-app/testing_artifacts/+merge/177357
[15:08] <om26er> sergiusens, sure, oSoMoN is reviewing the webbrowser already.
[15:08] <sergiusens> om26er: ack
[15:08] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: and I commented on the MR, please have a look
[15:09] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: sorry, was refreshing and saw nothing :-/ My eyes must be wrong
[15:09] <oSoMoN> give them some rest!
[15:10] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: so you don't do out of source builds btw?
[15:11] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: I usually do in sourc builds, but I always ensure that both options work
[15:13] <ogra_> plars, security test on maguro seems to not have started
[15:13] <plars> ogra_: it's already rerunning
[15:13] <ogra_> ah, awesome, you are to fast :)
[15:14] <plars> ogra_: yeah, I'm obsessing on these jobs slightly right now :)
[15:14] <ogra_> heh
[15:15] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: ok, it's updated with all the build generated files
[15:17] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: thanks, please also see the two comments above
[15:17] <sergiusens> ohh
[15:24] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: addressed
[15:28] <_5m0k3> Anybody see anything missing from my branch?  If not, I'll add it to the wiki to try to get it added to the collection PPA.  https://code.launchpad.net/~brad-4/esv-bible/main
[15:34] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: thanks! is there a way to automatically exclude moc files from the coverage analysis?
[15:36] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: yes in fact, it's on a different code path though
[15:36] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: let me coordinate with fginther, I'll create the MR but it won't be reflected in this code
[15:36] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: that’s alright
[15:37] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: I’ll approve this one then
[15:42] <nerochiaro> gusch: for the camera bugs, at the moment i'm starting to tackle the ones assigned to me. would you like to do it differently
[15:42] <nerochiaro> ?
[15:43] <gusch> nerochiaro: I think at the moment it's already split up nicely UI for ypu, and plugin for me
[15:43] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: hey, just figured I can exclude from the webbrowser itself
[15:43] <nerochiaro> gusch: ok, perfect
[15:44] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: how so?
[15:45] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: in EnableCoverage report, at least for the gcovr case
[15:48] <sergiusens> oSoMoN: it's a little involved, I'll get it done for all the projects later today
[15:49] <oSoMoN> sergiusens: ok
[15:54] <davmor2> popey: meh ignore the google sync issue I missed the - from the su - phablet so it was trying to write to /
[16:08] <popey> davmor2: hah, plum ☻
[16:09] <davmor2> popey: It's been a Long day
[16:12] <doanac> sergiusens: you know how I enable "developer mode" on a device with a system image?
[16:13] <davmor2> doanac: sorry do you mean to allow usbdebugging mode?
[16:14] <doanac> davmor2: no. the touch system images are set up read-only and you can't do things with apt.
[16:14] <doanac> there's a way to enable that
[16:14] <sergiusens> doanac: touch /userdata/.developer_mode && reboot
[16:14] <doanac> sergiusens: thanks
[16:14] <doanac> cjohnston: ^^
[16:15] <cjohnston> ack. ty
[16:17] <boost> hi
[16:17] <popey> hello
[16:18] <boost> installing ubuntu touch on optmus L9 (LG phone )
[16:18] <boost> getting some problem
[16:19] <boost> can anybody provide me proper steps for optimus L9 for installing ubuntu touch
[16:19] <boost> ??
[16:20] <popey> boost: what problem are you getting
[16:22] <boost> after recovery mode ..when  try to install saucy-preinstalled-touch-armhf.zip as autodeploy.zip it is giving permission denied error
[16:22] <boost> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/P760
[16:22] <boost> i followed these steps
[16:22] <ogra_> adb kill-server && sudo adb start-server
[16:22] <ogra_> try that
[16:23] <boost> i tried that also
[16:23] <ogra_> erm, did you say 8after* recovery ?
[16:24] <ogra_> you need to do it in recovery ...
[16:24] <boost> yes
[16:25] <boost> in  recovery  mode only getting error
[16:25] <boost> http://www.mediafire.com/download/6haganq8amf8gf7/cm-10.1-20130321-UNOFFICIAL-p760.zip
[16:25] <boost> first i flashed from this link
[16:26] <ogra_> how exatly did you flash, what did yoou do ?
[16:34] <murgero> Hey guys
[16:34] <boost> can anybody provide me some guidelines for flashing ubuntu touch on optimus L9??
[16:34] <boost> LG phone
[16:34] <murgero> Flash the cm10.1 modified zip then the ubuntu phablet zip
[16:35] <murgero> Can anyone help in setting up my porting environment?
[16:35] <boost> murgero: with what name cm10.1 modified zip file should be flashed
[16:36] <murgero> Yes
[16:36] <boost> on phone??
[16:36] <ogra_> boost, well, if you would answer the questions it would be easier to help you :)
[16:37] <murgero> Yesyes
[16:37] <boost> network problem was thr prviously sorry for that
[16:38] <ogra_> boost, so what did you do yet ... give us the commands and a rough description of the steps you did up to now
[16:40] <boost> after unlocking the device using "adb oem-unlock"   --> adb reboot recovery --> adb puhs /path/to/<cm10*.zip>  /sdcard/austodeploy.zip
[16:40] <ogra_> and that worked
[16:40] <ogra_> ?
[16:40] <boost> yes
[16:40] <ogra_> (i hope autodeploy was only a typo now :) )
[16:41] <boost> after that command again i typed" adb reboot recovery"
[16:41] <ogra_> so on adb reboot recovery it showed a progress bar etc ?
[16:41] <boost> no
[16:41] <ev> uhm, is it intentional that the running application in Touch consumes all the input, regardless of its state? If launch the gallery app, then do a kill -STOP $(pidof gallery-app), I have no way out (until I kill with -CONT)
[16:42] <ogra_> boost, is /sdcard/autodeploy.zip still there ?
[16:42] <boost> yes
[16:42] <boost> it is there
[16:42] <ogra_> and it is actually named right ? no typo in the name or so ?
[16:42] <boost> no
[16:42] <ogra_> k
[16:43] <ogra_> well, then install it by hand using the recovery UI
[16:43] <boost> am i missing somethng
[16:43] <ogra_> there should be an option "install zip from SD card"
[16:43] <murgero> Is the bootloader reporting it is unlocked?
[16:43] <boost> no
[16:44] <boost> it just showing me the android  reboot animation
[16:44] <murgero> Maybe the build is not compatible?
[16:44] <ogra_> the android reboot animation ?
[16:44] <murgero> do an "adb reboot recovery" without the oem unlock
[16:44] <ogra_> whats that ?
[16:45] <codinho_> the dancing topless girl
[16:45] <ogra_> heh
[16:45] <boost> i mean after unlock android robot picture
[16:45] <codinho_> just kidding :)
[16:46] <ogra_> boost, with a big "start" arrow  and such ?
[16:47] <boost> http://www.google.co.in/search?um=1&newwindow=1&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=677&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=android+recovery+robot&oq=android+recovery+robot&gs_l=img.3...74.2163.0.2535.9.9.0.0.0.0.336.940.4j1j1j1.7.0....0.0..1c.1.20.img.hoLsOLbt7nQ#facrc=_&imgdii=_&imgrc=oDLJVsSGphMK8M%3A%3BjoFLrfKPoWSXxM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcdn.howtogeek.com%252Fwp-content%252Fuploads%252F2012%252F12%252Fandroid-recovery-mode.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.howtogee
[16:47]  * ogra_ has never seen LG bootloaders, but that soulds like you are in fastboot mode 
[16:47] <boost> like in the above lnk
[16:47] <ogra_> ok, so better boot into recovery again :)
[16:48] <boost> did i done something wrong??
[16:48] <ogra_> you will need to use a certain key combo to get there (remove battery. then use the appropriate key combo for your device)
[16:48] <boost> ok
[16:51] <boost> after that with what name i have to copy the <cm10*.zip > to /sdcard/<what name>   ??
[16:51] <ogra_> boost, what you should see if the flashing works is the rightmost of these pics (the standing android with open belly and a rotating atom inside ... plus a progress bar)
[16:52] <boost> ok
[16:52] <boost> ogra_,thanks for your help.. i ll look into it..
[16:53] <ogra_> in recovery mode there is a menu on screen, once you are in there you should just be able to select the zip to flash, no matter how you called it
[17:06] <nerochiaro> tmoenicke: i need to go soon, i posted this MR, it should be ok in terms of passing the tests. if you want to be 100% sure test it on the device as well, but I don't think the change might have broken anything: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/notes-app/notes-app-main-window-name/+merge/177428
[17:12] <karni> Hi guys
[17:13] <karni> How would I go about adding a text input field in an Ubuntu Cordova HTML5 app? Or, where can I find a list of possible "data-role" values I could learn from.
[17:13] <karni> Like, a <button tag requires data-role="button" I assume. I don't know what the other possible view types are.
[17:37] <alex-abreu> karni, checkout the unity-html5-theme-examples package and http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-html5-theme-devs/ubuntu-html5-theme/ambiance/files/head:/0.1/examples/widgets/
[17:37] <karni> alex-abreu: fantastic, thank you
[17:38] <alex-abreu> karni, np, it is still in alpha, and we are working towards some sort of docs atm
[17:38] <alex-abreu> karni, note that ubuntu-html5-theme is not binded to cordova, but mostly an option for ubuntutouch js apps
[17:41] <karni> alex-abreu: right. I was tasked to see if indeed it is simple to build a simple html5 app with what we already have.
[17:42] <alex-abreu> karni, another example of an app is the cordova-qrcode reader http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-sdk-tutorials-dev/ubuntu-sdk-tutorials/trunk/files/head:/ubuntu-cordova/qrcode-scanner/
[17:43] <alex-abreu> karni, which would be helpful I think, since it is (atm) the closest that we have to a real world app
[17:43] <karni> alex-abreu: Yes, I've seen it. I also sent feedback to the author. Seems rather incomplete (mostly lacking snippets)
[17:43] <karni> alex-abreu: Thank you very much, you've been helpful :)
[17:43] <alex-abreu> karni, incomplete?
[17:43] <AskUbuntu> Installing Ubuntu For Android | http://askubuntu.com/q/326144
[17:43] <alex-abreu> karni, I am the author of the app (but not of the tutorial)
[17:43] <karni> alex-abreu: oh sweet
[17:44] <karni> let me find the e-mail
[17:44] <karni> alex-abreu: alex.abreu@canonical.com?
[17:44] <alex-abreu> karni, feel free to send me Merge Requests with your changes if you have any
[17:44] <alex-abreu> alexandre.abreu@canonical.com
[17:44] <karni> alex-abreu: no, the app is fine
[17:45] <karni> alex-abreu: e-mail sent. I find your app useful to learn about Cordova Ubuntu/HTML5 app development, indeed :)
[17:45] <alex-abreu> ok
[17:46] <alex-abreu> karni, oh you were the one that sent feedback on the cordova plugin in qtc?
[17:46] <karni> alex-abreu: I'm so new to this I didn't even know it was in the form of the plugin :) Yes, highly probable it was me.
[17:47] <karni> alex-abreu: I hardly started, it was more of a general QT Creator feedback really.
[17:47] <karni> I don't have yet any Cordova specific feedback yet. I just started playing with it.
[17:47] <alex-abreu> karni, ok nice, yeah but it was constructive feedback ...
[17:47] <karni> alex-abreu: Great! Happy to hear that :)
[17:48] <karni> alex-abreu: I'm leaving on holiday tomorrow, but I think my team (sooner or later) will provide more feedback :)
[17:48] <dmj_nova> anyone with touch on a nexus 4 or galaxy nexus
[17:48] <karni> alex-abreu: All right, your links should help me out. Thanks so much :)
[17:48] <dmj_nova> question about the camera
[17:48] <alex-abreu> karni, tremendous ... what are you working on? since afaik you are the first team that tries to use cordova & html5 sdk
[17:49] <dmj_nova> what aspect ratio is the image you capture?
[17:49] <wilee-nilee> dmj_nova, Not me but check youtube.
[17:49] <dmj_nova> what aspect ratio is the preview area for the image?
[17:49] <alex-abreu> karni, we are still developing the sdk, but we would really welcome feedback ... there are a few shortcomings obviously
[17:49] <alex-abreu> karni, feel free to ping me and join us on #unity-webapps for cordova / html5 related questions
[17:50] <karni> alex-abreu: dead simple HTML5 ToDo app. We wanted to write it both in Qml and HTML5 (cordova, localstorage mostly, just to demo it)
[17:50] <karni> alex-abreu: perfect, thank you!
[17:50] <alex-abreu> karni, really happy to hear about what you are doing
[17:50] <alex-abreu> ok
[17:50] <alex-abreu> sweet
[17:50] <karni> alex-abreu: :) super simple stuff, for start :)
[17:55] <karni> alex-abreu: #unity-webapps - is that proper channel name :)? I think freenode nor canonical IRC don't have such channel, just tried.
[17:55] <karni> Or is it just me :)
[17:55] <dejello> Hello
[17:57] <alex-abreu> karni, sorry #ubuntu-webapps ...
[17:57] <karni> alex-abreu: no problem! :)
[17:57] <somelone> Will the current Ubuntu touch distro for Nexus 7 work on the brand new Nexus 7?
[17:57] <alex-abreu> karni, on canonical it's #webapps ...
[17:58] <karni> alex-abreu: ack!
[18:02] <somelone> Anyone? About to pull the trigger on a new nexus 7 but I want to run GNU userspace, so...
[18:02] <Tassadar_> somelone: not officially
[18:02] <Tassadar_> someone will make a port eventually for sure though
[18:03] <somelone> What do you mean? Does Ubuntu touch officially support the current nexus 7?
[18:03] <somelone> (current=old)
[18:03] <Tassadar_> yes
[18:03] <somelone> Huh. Any reason they wouldn't want to support the new one? I would think they would try to support all the nexus devices
[18:04] <Tassadar_> somelone: they don't want to trow money on a new device for no reason, they already have 4 test devices
[18:04] <Tassadar_> it's 'just' new version of the same device, after all
[18:04] <somelone> Well sure, but once they go into production they're going to need to support it anyway
[18:04] <Tassadar_> why?
[18:04] <somelone> "they go into production" = canonical leave beta
[18:05] <somelone> because they want people to use it
[18:05] <somelone> if they don't support the most popular devices, that's not a winning business strategy
[18:05] <Tassadar_> Nexus devices are just for testing, I think they want to make their own devices
[18:05] <somelone> There's no way they can afford that. Hence the current indiegogo
[18:05] <Tassadar_> yeah, they'll use operators and OEMs, like android
[18:06] <somelone> Wouldn't make much sense to dump millions into making a crappy tablet when someone else has already paid to do an excellent job
[18:06] <somelone> IMO, anyway
[18:11] <somelone> The new N7 is pretty freaking sweet. NFC, GPS, Higher resolution than my 15" laptop
[18:12] <Tassadar_> indeed it is
[18:15] <Chlover> Ubuntu Touch, WOOP! =P
[18:21] <dejello> merp...  going to miss the porting event clinic thing as I will be on vacation
[18:24] <dejello_> yay for firefox randomness
[18:24] <mhall119> dejello_: it will be logged, and you can always ask for help anytime
[18:26] <dejello_> Thanks, just sad I will not make it..    :)
[18:29] <ZDmitry> mhall119, ping
[18:30]  * ogra_ points somelone to http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge
[18:31] <ogra_> (since you seem to not have seen it)
[18:32] <somelone> To whom is that directed?
[18:32] <mhall119> ZDmitry: pong
[18:32] <somelone> Also looks like funding is tapering off :(
[18:33] <ogra_> somelone, well, i wouldnt have mentioned you if it wasnt directed to you
[18:34] <somelone> Oh, I misread that as "someone" :p
[18:34] <somelone> but yes, I saw it
[18:34] <somelone> I mentioend the indiegogo campaign a while back
[18:34] <ogra_> canonical has >100 of the old N7s in use for the devs .... they wont be upgraded
[18:34] <somelone> my point is that canonical can not afford to make their own devices
[18:34] <ogra_> yeah, thus the campaign
[18:34] <ZDmitry> mhall119, do I need approve MP: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntu-terminal-app/add-attribution/+merge/176804
[18:35] <ogra_> it isnt to make money, but to have a device thats capable of doing what we want
[18:35] <somelone> OK, but if canonical hopes to have anyone use their operating system once it has been released, they'd better support popular devices (like the new N7)
[18:35] <ogra_> no, thats up to the community
[18:35] <somelone> In what way? Canonical decides what platforms to support
[18:35] <mhall119> ZDmitry: if you could, yes please
[18:35] <w-flo> somelone, anyone can port it
[18:35] <ogra_> somelone, canonical decides where to invest money and work hours
[18:36] <somelone> Sure, but it would behoove canonical to port it themselves
[18:36] <ZDmitry> mhall119, done
[18:36] <ogra_> a new port from scratch simply costs
[18:36] <somelone> Just like everyone expects canonical to support x86 (because that's what most of their users use)
[18:37] <mhall119> thanks ZDmitry
[18:37] <ZDmitry> mhall119, np
[18:37] <ogra_> there wont be any official port to a new device before 13.10
[18:37] <somelone> What's the timeline on 13.10?
[18:37] <ogra_> and for 14.04 i would only expect ports to devices that can handle covergence properly since thats the 14.04 target
[18:38] <ogra_> the timeline on 13.10 is 13.10 :)
[18:38] <ogra_> our version is a release date ;)
[18:38] <somelone> Nice
[18:39] <somelone> But unfortunatley, I think convergence is going to burn out. It's not going to catch on. I just want a gnu/linux phone; almost no one is going to bother plugging it in to a monitor
[18:40] <Chlover> So when 13.10 is released, the ubuntu touch will be ready for release too?
[18:40] <ogra_> i belive convergence is the future
[18:40] <ZDmitry> mhall119, what do you think about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-terminal-app/+bug/1204102 ? We talked about this on meetings. And this is first time when someone asked for tablet support.
[18:40] <ogra_> Chlover, thats the plan
[18:41] <somelone> I think the market share of people who want to plug their phones into TVs, Mice, and Keyboards is rather smaller than people think
[18:41] <ogra_> somelone, the phone currently grows  tons of external gadgets ... wrist watches, glasses  new input devices etc etc ...
[18:41] <Chlover> YAY
[18:41] <ogra_> at some point you will have wireless display support in all phones
[18:41] <somelone> Wireless, yes
[18:41] <somelone> but not plugged into the TV
[18:41] <ogra_> plugged ?
[18:42] <ogra_> why would you "plug" a wireless signal into a wireless display ?
[18:42] <ogra_> :)
[18:42] <somelone> Convergence is plugging an HDMI cable to a monitor, and plugging or Bluetooth-ing keyboard/mouse
[18:42] <ogra_> no
[18:42] <somelone> That's what it looked like from the video
[18:42] <ogra_> convergence just means your UI adapts to the form factor
[18:42] <ogra_> automatically
[18:43] <somelone> Well, it doesn't require any particularly impressive specs to adapt to the form factor of a phone. But you said that only devices with the specs to handle convergence will be supported
[18:44] <ogra_> so if you are in your future living room, imagine the phone being capable wirelessly attach to the TV (running Ubuntu TV), at the same time it drives your pebble writwatch as well as the PC screen on the desk and its own display as well
[18:44] <ogra_> the vision of ubuntu is do be able to drive all at the same time, being able to access the same data
[18:45] <somelone> Yes, that would be nifty, but in the mean time, it would be nice to support popular hardware that can't drive 3 displays and a wristwatch
[18:45] <ogra_> well, thats what we do
[18:45] <ogra_> we picked 4 devices and support them
[18:45] <ogra_> this list wont change until release
[18:46] <ogra_> for 14.04 the target is convergence ... which means higher ram and disk size reqs
[18:46] <somelone> And then? Are the new nexus devices probably going to be on list v2.0?
[18:46] <ogra_> which is what the focus will be on for possibly picking an additional device
[18:47] <ogra_> in any case everyone is way to busy trying to reach the 13.10 goal to drive new ports
[18:47] <davmor2>  ogra_ hmmm I wonder what that possible extra device might be :)
[18:47] <ogra_> davmor2, *g*
[18:49] <Chlover> have you got any partners like samsung or sony for the ubuntu OS support?
[18:50]  * ogra_ doesnt know much about the business side of things 
[18:51] <ogra_> there are definitely partners, no idea which
[18:51] <Chlover> Ah, ok fair enough! ^^
[18:51] <ogra_> andf there is the ubuntu touch garrier advisory board
[18:51] <ogra_> *carrier
[18:51] <ogra_> with carriers from each continent
[18:52] <ogra_> so i think you can expect devices with ubuntu touch preinstalled to show up on the market
[18:53] <somelone> So does baseband interaction stuff happen in a kernel module or is it permanently baked in to the terminal?
[18:53] <somelone> I.e. can I prevent the baseband from doing anything if I want to
[18:54] <somelone> *Permanently baked into the kernel
[18:54] <ogra_> we use the android bonary blobs ...
[18:54] <ogra_> *binary
[18:54]  * popey prefers bonary
[18:54] <somelone> lol
[18:54] <ogra_> :)
[18:54] <ogra_> so what you can or cant do on android will be possible in ubuntu touch
[18:54] <mhall119> Chocanto: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/poppler/2013-July/010473.html
[18:54] <somelone> OK, so are the android binary blobs dynamically loadable/unloadable? Or is there always a sketchy baseband backdoor that my carrier to use to screw me?
[18:55] <davmor2> popey: it's binary and blobs amalgamated into one word :)
[18:55] <ogra_> you dont ant to unload your modem driver if you want to still make use of the modem :)
[18:55] <somelone> But if I want to turn the modem off and prevent my carrier from backdooring me, can I?
[18:56] <awe> yes
[18:56] <awe> total off == airplane mode
[18:56] <somelone> But that's not what I want
[18:56] <awe> which isn't yet fully implemented
[18:56] <somelone> I want to actually unload whatever driver talks to the modem
[18:56] <awe> modem off == radio off
[18:56] <ogra_> right
[18:56] <somelone> I doubt it actually cuts power to the baseband processor when you do airplane mode
[18:57] <davmor2> somelone: it will act like a phone currently does
[18:57] <ogra_> somelone, well, if thats required to drive the modem you will use radio
[18:57] <ogra_> s/use/lose/
[18:57] <somelone> Obviously
[18:57] <ogra_> it will do exactly the same it does on android ... its the same drivers
[18:57] <ogra_> (actually more than just the drivers, its also the HAL layer)
[18:58] <ogra_> (or parts of it)
[18:58] <awe> it's also the binary RILD
[18:58] <somelone> So what I'm asking here is: can I rmmod the modem driver?
[18:58] <ogra_> if the device is open enough on android to tinker with it, you will be able to do the same on ubuntu
[18:58] <ogra_> if it isnt, you wont
[18:58] <awe> I'm pretty sure this isn't possible without rebuilding the kernel yourself
[18:59] <ogra_> right, i think such android devices are rather rare :)
[18:59] <awe> as ogra_ says, anythings possible, but we're not going out of our way to make this easy / part of the default images
[19:00] <somelone> Fair enough
[19:01] <somelone> OK, another question: Does Ubuntu touch support sensors like GPS/Accelerometer/NFC?
[19:01] <ogra_> yep
[19:01] <ogra_> thanks to android :)
[19:01] <somelone> Cool. How are they presented?
[19:01] <ogra_> via the ubuntu platform api
[19:02] <somelone> Details? Something I can read? And are there /dev/ devices for e.g. internal UART connections to GPS/NFC/etc devices?
[19:03] <ogra_> all /dev devices you have on android are there in ubuntuu too ... but you should better just access them through the api
[19:06] <ogra_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-sensor-service might be a starting point
[19:08] <Chlover> How much installation base do you expect to have by 14.10, and if you don't have a big installation will you continue to support Ubuntu touch or focus more on the main desktop environment?
[19:08] <mhall119> ogra_: rsalveti: do either of you know if there is a blueprint for implementing the platform services API?
[19:08] <ogra_> mhall119, no idea, it should be on status.u.c if there us
[19:08] <ogra_> *is
[19:09] <mhall119> Chocanto: Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop will become one codebase
[19:09] <rsalveti> mhall119: ricmm is your guy for that
[19:18] <Chocanto> mhall119: Cool, poppler 0.24 si released :)
[19:19] <Chocanto> mhall119: What do you mean by codebase ?
[19:20] <mhall119> Chocanto: sorry, that was meant for Chlover
[19:20] <mhall119> Chlover: Ubuntu Touch and Ubuntu Desktop will become one codebase
[19:20] <mhall119> Chocanto: seb128 is going to package 0.24 for us
[19:20] <Chocanto> mhall119: Oh ok ^^
[19:21] <Chocanto> mhall119: Really ? This is great news ! The package will be much better than the one I'm making ^^
[19:26] <Chlover> I'm glad about that! ^^
[19:27] <mhall119> ogra_: is the GSettings binding for QML done now?
[19:27] <ogra_> heh, how would i know :)
[19:27] <ogra_> i guess seb128 can tell you more
[19:28] <mhall119> seb128: ?  I thought I saw it land somewhere
[19:30] <Chlover> How much can you personalise the phone, I hear the word a lot from Mark shuttleworths videos, but how much can you personalise it?
[19:30] <mhall119> Chlover: right now, not much, but it's still being worked on
[19:31] <mhall119> though really it depends on where you draw the line
[19:31] <mhall119> since it's all open source, and much of the UI is written with QML, you can change just about anything
[19:41] <seb128> ogra_, mhall119: yeah, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gsettings-qt
[19:42] <mhall119> seb128: do we have any documentation for using that?
[19:42] <seb128> ogra_, mhall119: we use them in system settings ... but it's probably not the api we are going to use/recommends for app, those should rather use qsettings
[19:42] <seb128> we are going to do a qsettings backend that write the gsettings it seems
[19:42] <seb128> but apps should be using the qt api (it has a sqlite backend atm)
[19:44] <mhall119> seb128: is there a QML plugin for QSettings?
[19:45] <netcurli> mhall119: is it correct that https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-download-manager will provide the ability for apps to download files in the background on Ubuntu touch devices?
[19:45] <mhall119> netcurli: I don't know, I'm not familiar with ubuntu-download-manager
[19:46] <seb128> mhall119, that's a good question, I don't know, check with the sdk guys ... bzoltan is looking at the settings stuff and probably knows
[19:47] <mhall119> bzoltan: Kaleo: ^^ either of you know if there's a QML plugin for QSettings?
[19:49] <Chlover> will the touch app's be downloaded in the Ubuntu Software Centre, or will it have its own place?
[19:50] <mhall119> Chlover: you mean when installing new apps?
[19:51] <Chlover> Yeah
[19:51] <mhall119> they will be installable via the Dash is my understanding
[19:51] <mhall119> I think they get installed into /opt/
[19:53] <Chlover> I know they can be installed threw the Dash, and search, but I also heard that you could go to the market place/store to find apps you may not know the specifics to!
[19:54] <mhall119> Chlover: I'm not sure there will be a separate app for that, the Dash will have all of that functionality built in
[19:54] <Chlover> ah, fair enough! ^^
[20:11] <fragment137> Hey all -- newb question. If I flash my Galaxy Nexus with the beta, I can flash it back to Android just as easily, correct?
[20:12] <popey> fragment137: sure, we even have instructions showing how on the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[20:13] <fragment137> Excellent -- Any word on how soon we can see mobile data and MMS support for most phones?
[20:13] <fragment137> I'd love to start using ubuntu touch as my DD on my device asap :P
[20:17] <ogra_> mobile data is there since a while
[20:17] <ogra_> MMS isnt yet
[20:18] <fragment137> I checked the spreadsheet available on the wiki and it said Work In Progress. Figured I would ask
[20:18] <fragment137> What about Bluetooth?
[21:04] <mfisch> mhall119: can we talk about handling SDK questions when you're around?
[21:04] <mhall119> mfisch: sure
[21:05] <mfisch> mhall119: Based on some experience, I think we need a plan in place for supporting SDK questions, and I think a good place for L1 support might be AskUbuntu.com
[21:05] <mhall119> mfisch: I would agree, we already have application-development and ubuntu-sdk tags
[21:06] <mfisch> mhall119: would the ubuntu-sdk tag also apply to the HTML5/Cordova apps?
[21:06] <mhall119> mfisch: no, we should have an html5 tag for that if we don't already
[21:07] <mfisch> mhall119: okay, so it's only a matter of building a stable of answered questions and encouraging people to use the site
[21:07] <mhall119> fwiw, I have a script to pull helpful questions from AU and put them on developer.u.c, that uses application-development tags in combination with others like scopes and html5
[21:07] <mhall119> mfisch: see http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/cookbook/
[21:08] <mfisch> mhall119: thats great
[21:08] <mhall119> mfisch: the code for the script is here: https://code.launchpad.net/~mhall119/ubuntudeveloperportal/askubuntu-scripts
[21:08] <mfisch> mhall119: okay, I will encourage questions to go to AskUbuntu as I encounter any
[21:08] <mfisch> thanks
[21:09] <jcastro> hey mfisch
[21:09] <jcastro> you can also self-document
[21:09] <mfisch> hey jcastro
[21:10] <mfisch> jcastro: yep we did for the Ubutnu on N7 work
[21:10] <jcastro> so if you find yourself answering the same question on IRC post the Q and the answer on AU at the same time
[21:10]  * jcastro nods. \m/
[21:10] <mfisch> I just wanted to be sure that the tags were in place
[21:10] <mfisch> I don't think that the "getting started" wiki points to AU.com does it?
[21:11] <mhall119> it would be cool if you could pipe a question to AskUbuntu bot and have it post to the site
[21:12] <popey> mhall119: https://bugs.launchpad.net/music-app/+bug/1206269 if you have 5 mins to mark dupe
[21:12] <popey> sorry, confirm, not dupe
[21:13] <mhall119> hmmm, but I have music
[21:13] <ewaldmire> is anyone else having problems getting webbrowser-app to open (yes, up to date)
[21:13] <popey> move it
[21:14] <popey> ewaldmire: http://popey.com/~alan/device-2013-07-29-221359.png works here
[21:15] <mhall119> popey: confirmed
[21:15] <ewaldmire> popey: thanks.. probably jacked it up playing with other stuff
[21:15] <ewaldmire> will re-load my image
[21:19] <popey> thanks mhall119
[21:25] <ahayzen> popey, mhall119, i don't appear to get that issue (with no music) on the desktop, what revision are u guys on?
[21:27] <popey> alan@deep-thought:~$ adb shell cat /var/log/installer/media-info
[21:27] <popey> Ubuntu Saucy Salamander (development branch) - armhf (20130726.1)
[21:27] <popey> ahayzen: ^^
[21:27] <mhall119> music app: 0.4.7bzr77saucy0
[21:27] <mhall119> latest device image (literally phablet-flashed an hour ago)
[21:29] <popey> 0.4.7bzr77saucy0
[21:29] <ahayzen> popey, mhall119, i'm on 0.4.7bzr77raring0
[21:30] <popey> this is a clean device which has never had any music, a freshly phablet-flashed machine
[21:31] <ahayzen> popey, i took a branch of lp:music-app and changed the search dir to ~/Pictures and pressed play and it didn't change to pause (and i'm on a laptop not phone)
[23:51] <mhall119> okay, I've got a sim for my N4 now and mobile data plan, how do I get mobile data working?