[07:10] morning all [07:49] yawnage [07:51] +1 [07:56] +100 [07:58] ☻ [07:58] +9001 [07:59] directhex: always the last word ;) [07:59] o/ [08:00] Good morning, Dave [08:00] https://twitter.com/virginmedia/status/361753975738990592 [08:00] oof [08:01] D: D: D: D: D: D: D: D: [08:01] fail [08:03] What does DPA stand for in this context? Some kind of validation? [08:03] On a lighter note but quite amusing: http://newsthump.com/2013/07/25/wonga-com-retaliates-by-unveiling-believable-religion/ === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:04] i don't understand, how can they create a religion? [08:05] this is disgusting [08:05] i'm going to complain to my MP [08:05] maybe i should set up an e-petition, those things always get results [08:06] * popey notes it's newsthump [08:06] popey: that link is getting around my tweetors quite quickly [08:06] i don't care what news site it is, it's disgraceful!! [08:06] in fact, let's ban this news site [08:06] aloha [08:06] * neuro stops trying to be "funny" [08:06] too early on a monday for comedy [08:07] * MooDoo nearo had a go at neuro till he realised he was joking lol [08:07] too early :D [08:07] haha [08:07] was wondering who would bite first [08:07] i love reading some reactions to articles in the onion [08:07] popey: one thing to note: the passwords might not be *stored* in plain text, but the fact that a minimum wage service rep can get them is *extremely* worrying [08:08] SuperMatt: what's not clear is *what* password he's talking about [08:08] I would imagine it's either the accoun [08:08] if it's his access password to identify him over the phone to customer services, that's just bad practice [08:08] oops [08:09] for phone stuff they usually use something like mother's maiden name [08:09] if it's his account password to their online servicing, then there's a serious problem [08:09] but I imagine he probably has an "account" password, connected to his email address [08:09] well, it's unclear :) [08:09] sure [08:10] * neuro has just purchased his album for the month [08:10] Oblivion soundtrack [08:10] just watched that the other night [08:10] crackin', innit [08:11] yeah enjoyeed it === graingert is now known as Guest62500 [08:12] i've been saying this elsewhere, really liking Joseph Kosinski's stuff [08:12] can I have the day off? Feel like going back to bed... [08:12] TheOpenSourcerer: get in the queue [08:12] will be interesting to see what he does after the tron legacy sequel [08:12] TheOpenSourcerer: in fact can i work for you so you can send me home? [08:13] Only if I can work for you too [08:13] deal, feel free to go home :d [08:13] mutual employment [08:13] MooDoo: Unfortunately I am already at home. Just not in bed. [08:14] TheOpenSourcerer: ah home/office? [08:14] yes [08:14] thought you had business premisis now? [08:14] I had rather a "big" weekend. [08:14] nuff said [08:16] Oooh - that just cheered me up - checked company bank account. Customers paying chunky invoices in 2 days :-D [08:17] * TheOpenSourcerer feels a divi coming on shortly. [08:17] yay [08:17] TAX EVASION ALERT! [08:17] i got a tax refund this year :o [08:17] Nothing wrong woth divis [08:17] sure :) [08:18] good morning everyone. [08:18] TheOpenSourcerer: you should have a community beer fund for people that help you with stuff ;) [08:18] just make sure you never complain about corporates using tax loopholes :) [08:18] you owe me a beer for the helpful advice I just gave you lol [08:18] hmmm still too early? [08:19] whats a divi? [08:20] dividend [08:20] oh, i see [08:20] A dividend is a payment a company can make to shareholders if it has made enough profit. [08:20] it's a way for contractors to save tax obligations [08:20] i know what a dividend is :) [08:20] pay yourself a minimum wage, then get the rest of your profits from dividends [08:22] doing stuff like that is why tax regulations like IR35 were brought in [08:25] where can i buy a leap motion except for amazon? [08:25] you want to pay in loldollars? [08:25] if possible, but mainly i just don't like amazon [08:26] direct? [08:26] https://store.leapmotion.com [08:26] ah thank you [08:26] loldollars! [08:26] np [08:26] jono calls bitcoins "linden dollars" [08:27] iirc [08:28] that's just confusing [08:28] people will think he actually means linden dollars [08:30] bitcoin actually increased the value of lindens because they were one of the easiest intermediate ways to buy in [08:30] remind me to slap jono next time i see him [08:30] aren't linden dollars from secondlife? [08:30] yes [08:30] yup [08:36] is that still going? [08:36] yeah [08:36] http://secondlife.com/ [08:37] I also used to play Entropia Universe [08:39] I think I probably "played" second life for about an hour in total [08:39] i dont quite get it [08:39] it's pretty easy to get [08:39] its for people who don't like leaving the house? [08:39] think of it as visual irc with 3d building component [08:39] mungbean: why say that? [08:40] irc is something i do while doing other things though [08:40] it's very much like minecraft [08:40] or vice versa [08:40] s/irc/chat/ then [08:40] yeah [08:41] wouldn't surprise me if second life informed minecraft to a certain extent [08:41] if you can grok minecraft, you can certainly grok second life [08:42] do you still play minecraft? [08:42] there's no direct line from SL to minecraft [08:42] minecraft is largely a clone of a game called infiniminer [08:43] *sigh* :) [08:43] i didn't say that [08:44] i've heard people say they don't play MC anymore cos it got dull, said notch runied it or somethig [08:49] on the contrary, second life is much more difficult to understand than minecraft [08:49] mainly because the modelling controls are so utterly awful [08:49] the second life economy is based around the idea of paying someone else to use it for you [08:49] I love MC :D [08:58] mungbean: yes, i still play it [08:58] my kids play it quite a bit too [09:00] I've got a couple of servers running which makes it a bit more fun, popey do you still have the ubuntu uk one running? [09:04] what's a reasonable time to wait for a quote for a new fence? [09:05] 1 week? 2 weeks? [09:05] quote? few days i'd say lol [09:05] yeah :( [09:06] MooDoo: i run one at home, it's not really ubuntu-uk one [09:07] Good morning all, happy Tiger Day! :-D [09:07] popey: ah i was just looking for the map :) [09:08] there isn't one [09:09] watched life of pi over the weekend. bought it in march but only just had time to watch it with missis [09:09] anyone enjoy it? [09:10] In a way, I think its better to play MC without a map, you have to remember where everything is & find things by accident rather than looking at a map and going straight to a village [09:11] can't say it interests me [09:12] yeah, DJones [09:12] the kids spent some time today playing with horses [09:12] IRL ? [09:13] Horses are fun in MC [09:13] they must smell less [09:13] in minecraft === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:15] i wonder if MC has helped sales of lego [09:15] although lego don't need the help === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:27] https://jeena.net/images/2012/PHP-The-Good-Parts.pdf [09:27] monday funny [09:27] MooDoo: morning :) [09:28] morning MartijnVdS how are you? [09:33] bored at work ;) [09:34] MartijnVdS: what you do again? [09:34] he sticks needles into squirrels to turn them into hedgehogs [09:34] MooDoo: I write perl code (CMS/backend stuff for a big ISP) [09:34] nice job, can see why yuor bored [09:35] MartijnVdS: which one [09:35] MooDoo: xs4all [09:35] .nl [09:35] name rings a bell for some reason [09:35] MooDoo: they started in the early 90s as a "hacker"-type ISP [09:35] loads of people on holiday this week, let's see how the documentation holds up. already had a server crash at 9am [09:36] MartijnVdS: cameron would seek to ban those in UK :P [09:36] mungbean: are you aware of the Netflix Chaos Monkey? [09:36] mungbean: did you try turnng it on and off again ;) [09:36] mungbean: good thing we don't have cameron (and we *do* have a law that explicitly forbids filtering ;)) [09:36] MooDoo: yes, it worked. however i spent 1hr finding the correct password for the drac/ipmi rather than the incorrect one in the docs [09:37] cameron would ban reddit i think, and probably google [09:37] mgdm: nope [09:37] mungbean: you need a documentation monkey to go update them all [09:37] i do good docs, unfortuantely i don't manage all those people [09:38] mungbean: Netflix have a daemon that randomly goes and kills servers, to ensure they have fallbacks - http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2011/04/working-with-the-chaos-monkey.html [09:38] nice, i think ? [09:38] I write great docs. Too bad our sysadmins don't read them ("How do I install this?" "perldoc X" "But how do I install it?" "perldoc X, then search for "INSTALLING" "You're not helping.") [09:38] mungbean: I saw someone advocate an HR equivalent, the other day, where you send people on holiday randomly to see that the documentation they left behind is good enough [09:39] mgdm: that sounds like an excellent idea! [09:39] * mungbean just realise my shoes smell :( need new trainers [09:39] mgdm: did they have a name for it? [09:39] odor eaters! [09:39] probably the name of my colleague [09:40] every time he goes away, there is catastrophe [09:40] MartijnVdS: 'HR Monkey'? :) [09:40] do odour eaters work, or just mask the smell? [09:40] and do they sell it in the 99p shop [09:40] odour eaters work until they start stinking themselves :-p [09:40] dunno about pountd [09:40] erk [09:40] mgdm: but that would overload the existing term :P [09:41] is odour eaters a spray?? [09:41] dunno about the pound shop, but you'll get em in boots etc [09:41] or an insert [09:41] MartijnVdS: ;-) [09:41] both [09:41] http://www.boots.com/en/Boots-Brands-A-to-Z/Odor-Eaters [09:41] i think its cos i went from 2 trainers to one pair [09:41] so the 1 pair got used all the time [09:42] i can buy new trainers for £16 :S [09:42] do you wear your trainers all day? [09:42] yes, although just took them off to cool my feet down [09:42] i only wear shoes when i'm outside [09:42] i'm at work [09:42] slippers for kicking about the house [09:42] and i take them off when i'm sitting in the lounge watching teh telly etc [09:43] i have work trainers though [09:43] yes, yes, i am an Old Man [09:43] i have slippers for home [09:43] so, not all day then :) [09:43] my fet get quite hot [09:43] sounds like you need shoes that let your feet breath [09:43] Collect your order from store for free when you spend over £20 [09:43] ^^ boots = rip off [09:44] might check local chemist [09:44] yup, they'll do them too [09:44] smell = bacteria [09:44] so my feet are prob not good [09:44] wash your feet? [09:45] yes i do :P [09:46] will wander down to sports direct at lunch [09:46] best trainers i ever owned were Converse EV Pro 2K5 [09:46] how did we get from chaos monkey to feet.. [09:46] they don't make em any more :( [09:46] mungbean: you're the one who brought up your smelly feet [09:47] * mgdm has new Converses, the boot kind that I've not had before, which I discovered while 'tired' on Saturday morning fit almost as well on the wrong feet as they do on the right ones [09:48] :( [09:48] nice [09:48] i don't do hi tops [09:48] mgdm: that's easier for the factory kids [09:48] mgdm: they only have to make one kind of show [09:48] shoe [09:48] had a discussion with my 3yr old about socks. he reckons there are left socks and right socks [09:48] I was walking to the shop and wondered if my feet geniunely did splay out at 60 degrees [09:48] because that was a new thing [09:48] mungbean: there are, go to a sports/hiking store [09:49] mgdm: lol [09:49] mungbean: (running/hiking socks are "sided", because they're shaped and have fewer seams) [09:49] Good morning peeps :) [09:50] 'lo bigcalm [09:50] that'd drive me nuts. I love being able to just buy a whole bucket of identical socks [09:50] well, that was eventful [09:50] I just had my phone line disconnected for ~5 minutes [09:50] '200 for a pound-A!' [09:50] my wife boguht a load of black fresh feet socks for herself [09:51] they got mixed up with my batch [09:51] * popey hugs his nabee socks [09:51] happened before like a month ago, BT engineer told me if it happened again, sprint outside to the cabinet and see if there's an engineer messing about [09:51] sure enough, located said BT engineer, seems that somebody is issuing disconnect orders for my line [09:51] got her to sew a little thing on the corner of her socks, but i occasionally get a tiny sock and am never quite sure [09:51] tainted sock collection [09:51] right phone number, wrong flat number, probably why [09:51] Azelphur: just pay your bills :P [09:51] MartijnVdS: haha, I am paying :< [09:52] gonna phone up talktalk and tell them to stop doing that. xD [09:53] funny, my boss has been having the exact same probs with talktalk [09:53] Oh, TalkTalk, eh [09:53] neuro: twist: Azelphur IS your boss [09:53] (I used to work in their call centre in Lewis, before it was owned by TalkTalk) [09:53] (that was ~13 years ago though) [09:54] thing is, it's still Openreach at the cab [09:54] s/still Openreach/an Openreach engineer/ [09:54] which usually isn't too bad IME [09:54] but worst case scenario you get a Kelly Communications engineer-o-drone [09:54] utter muppet from what i hear [09:54] s/muppet/muppets/ [09:55] there's a green tele box on cambridge heath rd that is used by tramps and druggies and is open to the elements all the time. i've seen vomit on the boards in there too [09:55] niiiiiice [09:55] surprised anything works [09:55] door always open [09:55] haha [09:55] that's why the vdsl ones are bigger, faster, stronger [09:56] since it's not just krone blocks, it's DSLAMs as well [09:56] neuro: yea, he had my phone number but a different flat number [09:56] so clearly something is up [09:56] Surely you mean harder, better, faster, stronger [09:57] work it, make it do it makes us [10:02] hmmm [10:02] ps -ef | grep chrome | wc -l [10:02] 16 [10:02] this does not help my memory usage. i closed chrome [10:02] still 16 processes running [10:03] kill 'em all [10:03] freed ~1gb [10:04] keeps happening though [10:04] and forcing tb and ff to swap out [10:09] wimp [10:09] melbourne:~ neuro$ ps ax | grep -i chrome | grep -vc grep [10:09] 84 [10:09] chrome is being used though, right? [10:09] well yeah ;) [10:10] my issue is mistakenly thinking it is shut down [10:10] very windows-esque [10:13] what's yandex? a search engine? [10:13] Morning all [10:13] mungbean: I believe so, 'Big in Russia' [10:14] more hits from yandex than bing on my blog [10:14] blimey nearly 7 years in my current job :S [10:14] somebody searched for "police microsoft centos" [10:15] yes, russian one [10:16] in the news recently because the founder died [10:17] Yandex is one of Russia's biggest internet companies - valued at £6.5bn ($10bn) and has more than double Google's market share in the country. [10:19] i hate waiting for parcels [10:19] YODEL! *shakes fist* [10:19] so don't [10:19] wut [10:19] don't wait [10:19] um [10:19] i have to? [10:20] you make it sound like an active activity [10:20] make it a passive one [10:20] it pretty much is [10:20] do other thing :P [10:20] i am, but the things i can do are restricted [10:20] make a jigsaw puzzle [10:20] why would i make a jigsaw puzzle? [10:20] :) [10:20] i'm pretty sure i don't get paid to make jigsaw puzzles [10:21] it encourages thought process [10:21] * mgdm bought "Programming the Raspberry Pi: Getting Started with Python" for his gf last night [10:21] doesn't really contribute to productivity though, does it? [10:21] i would definitely do it if i had my own office still [10:21] long term it does [10:21] ok, [10:21] work smarter not harder ;) [10:21] a) i HATE jigsaw puzzles [10:22] just don't tell people , they might not believe you [10:22] b) it wouldn't help me upgrade our web stats system [10:22] mungbean: palm off all your work to a indian programmer [10:22] didn't some american do that? [10:22] c) it wouldn't help me migrate my mates' linux box [10:22] work it [10:22] make it [10:22] do it [10:22] makes us [10:22] d) it wouldn't help me install my new nas, which is in the back of a Yodel monkey's van [10:22] e) did I mention that I hate jigsaw puzzles? [10:22] sounds like you aren't waiting for b and c [10:23] oh, and f) I HATE JIGSAW PUZZLES [10:23] neuro: which nas did you go for? [10:23] ds213j [10:23] with a couple of 2tb reds [10:23] nice [10:23] i usually do a jigsaw or two on holiday [10:23] and a 500gb wd black for my esxi server [10:23] great way to relax [10:23] jigsaw puzzles don't make me relax, unfortunately [10:23] too fiddly [10:24] any bright ideas on where to buy a rack, cheap? [10:24] i'm going for the next one up the ds413 [10:24] i thought about the 413 but i don't need the storage [10:24] cool :) [10:24] directhex: i've given some away in the past [10:24] don't need that much capacity, i mean [10:24] yeah I got you [10:24] contact friends and universities for sapre ones [10:24] mungbean, that's the annoyance - racks are free or £££££ but nowhere in between really [10:24] 2TiB more than enough for my esxi hosts [10:24] popey: i take jigsaws on holiday too [10:25] and airfix models of course [10:25] neuro: you have a proper dedi then using the nas as the storage device? [10:25] because england always rains [10:25] MooDoo: i have a crappy zoostorm dual pentium thing with three intel NICs onboard [10:25] and a nice piece of battenberg cake with hot chocolate and jigsaw rocks [10:25] the 1TB that shipped with it is failing [10:26] funnily enough, the RAM that shipped with it failed as well, luckily i was already going to replace it with 16GB of crucial goodness [10:26] neuro: ah cool :D i need a new machine as mine is 32bit so can only run a 3.5 esxi :( [10:26] never buying a zoostorm again [10:26] my other esxi box is a pentium D, runs 4.x sweet [10:26] tho i'm decommissioning that one, an old dell dimension 5150 [10:26] mines running fine, just want to play with v5 :D [10:26] power [10:26] using less leccy = win [10:27] yeah, my newer one runs 5, gonna upgrade to 5.1 [10:27] nice :) [10:28] which reminds me, i need to charge up dell laptop to manage the bloomin' things [10:28] neuro: windows client ? [10:28] vsphere client [10:28] yeah tht's what i meant, pain that isn't it. [10:28] yup [10:28] i only keep PCs around for vsphere and games :) [10:29] my dell xps whatever it is has been in sleep mode for weeks [10:29] i dual boot the laptop win7 / ubuntu [10:29] in fact i forget what it is [10:29] ah xps 8500 [10:29] i can't do dual boot [10:29] invariably what you want is on the other OS [10:30] which is why i prefer separate machines or virtualisation [10:31] i have a dual boot laptop runnign synergy for any vsphereOS needs [10:32] "Parcel out for delivery" ... i want to listen to music, dammit! [10:34] stick a microphone next to the doorbell hoohah. Then write a program which kills the music/mutes the sound when the doorbell goes [10:34] i don't have a doorbell [10:34] although I'm sure you could probably use an arduino or ... oh [10:34] magnetic switch on the knocker [10:34] the "knocker" is a letterbo [10:34] x [10:34] has a knocker though? [10:35] it's a letterbox [10:35] the letterbox could have a little switch on it [10:35] could you do something where you create a circuit, and when it's broken by the opening of the letter box, it does something? [10:35] when the circuiot breaks... [10:35] i don't like the idea of putting electricity anywhere near my door :) [10:35] i have a doggy [10:35] ha [10:35] barks like crazy [10:36] never thought of that [10:36] but it'd be a really small current [10:36] use a makey makey [10:36] oh [10:36] I'd use a huge current. Make sure you catch the delivery guy [10:36] tho i get enough barking from the dogs on either side [10:36]