[02:28] <wrst> howdy fastforward
[02:28] <fastforward> Good evening, fellas.
[02:28] <fastforward> How's it going?
[04:55] <Omnifrog> this place needs some organizing
[04:56] <Unit193> ...Is that where they take your organs?
[04:56] <Unit193> :D
[04:56] <Omnifrog> a bunch of introverts lurking in an IRC channel doesn't make for an active community
[04:57] <Omnifrog> heh
[04:58] <Unit193> Who said I was one of them?
[04:59] <Omnifrog> hehe
[13:54] <wrst> morning fastforward
[13:54] <fastforward> Morning, Guys.
[13:56] <wrst> how ar eyou doing?
[13:57] <fastforward> Drinking coffee, installing a dev's repo locally, rooted and ROM'd my phone and Nexus7 this weekend... so far, it's a good Monday. How are you?
[13:58] <wrst> doing good, what phone and ROM fastforward?
[13:58] <fastforward> Razr Maxx -> CM10.1
[13:58] <wrst> I love CM running it on my S3
[13:59] <wrst> I'm running the nightlies probably be getting 4.3 fairly soon
[13:59] <fastforward> I didn't know there were so many options built in!
[13:59] <fastforward> Cool. Does it check for updates or will I have to do that manually? I'm new to custom roms.
[13:59] <wrst> I love my s3 but touchwhiz is awful compared to stock android
[14:00] <wrst> fastforward: go to settings, about phone, cyanogenmod updates
[14:00] <wrst> you can change the update type if you want to live on the edge with nightlies
[14:00] <fastforward> I found it as you sent your message. :)
[14:00] <wrst> the nightlies are generally very stable but they can blow up in your face so be sure you make a nandroid backup
[14:03] <fastforward> Ok. For some reason, the Razr needs SafeStrap as a rom manager, which can do backups too. Any reason why I should use Nandroid instead?
[14:05] <wrst> no as long as you are backing up your image
[14:05] <wrst> nandroid I think is more the process of backing up your image than software... don't quote me on that however :)
[14:05] <wrst> I have done just enough of this to know that a backup is necessary, I don't do it between every nightly but once a week I do
[14:06] <fastforward> Gotcha, I thought it was an app! :)
[14:06] <fastforward> Cool. I've got my stock ROM in another partition. I'll back them both up, but as long as it doesn't completely brick it, I should be fine.
[14:07] <wrst> yeah I have had mine to the point of losing activation, you should try calling verizon and hiding the fact you are running CM :)
[14:09] <fastforward> lol, I bet.
[14:10] <fastforward> I really don't understand why they carriers feel the need to tinker with Android.
[14:10] <wrst> to lock you into their piles of crap
[14:10] <fastforward> But then again, not everyone is as tech savvy as we are... so who knows. Look how dumbed down an iPhone is.
[14:10] <wrst> I really want to rid myself of verizon
[14:10] <wrst> yes I couldn't live on an iphone
[14:10] <fastforward> I do to, but they have the best service in TN.
[14:11] <wrst> yes they do
[14:11] <wrst> US cellular in my area actually has us covered slightly better than verizon
[14:11] <fastforward> You're in Cookeville, right?
[14:11] <wrst> I may look at porting my number over to prepaid on them
[14:11] <wrst> yes
[14:11] <wrst> actually overton county
[14:11] <wrst> I'm closes to cookeville
[14:11] <wrst> *closest
[14:12] <wrst> but most of my travels take me to spotty cell areas
[14:12] <fastforward> Gotcha. I haven't been to that part of the world in a long time.
[14:12] <wrst> pretty good place to be :)
[14:12] <fastforward> My wife had ATT, couldn't get service at our house and we live in Franklin. lol
[14:12] <wrst> oh wow
[14:12] <wrst> I would have thought anything would work in franklin
[14:13] <fastforward> It does in most places, it gets sketchy in a few. I can't get away from Verizon. I go hiking and my phone still works, but that's good considering I use the GPS for waypoint marking and distance tracking, etc.
[14:14] <wrst> yes we went hiking yesterday and I didn't have service half the time and I would have with US cellular
[14:14] <fastforward> Yeah, some of my family has US cellular, I think.
[14:15] <wrst> only issue with prepaid is the phones usually suck
[14:15] <fastforward> Yup
[14:15] <wrst> I have looked at something like Ting they have good phones, but on sprint network and thats an issue for me I might as well have a landline with a good cordless phone
[14:16] <fastforward> lol. I looked at StraighTalk Mobile, but they're on TMobile and ATT. Does anyone do anything similar with Verizon?
[14:16] <wrst> yes... hmm let me try to recall...
[14:18] <wrst> I can not remember the name of one I had someone tell me about
[14:18] <fastforward> I hadn't heard of any. Boost and Cricket are not on VZW, I don't think.
[14:19] <wrst> pageplus
[14:20] <wrst> this is handy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators
[14:20] <fastforward> Ha! I just found that on CNet. :)
[14:21] <wrst> but sucky phones, I'm sure there is a way to hack a phone to work with them
[14:21] <wrst> if your selling point is powered by android 2.3 gingerbread... that's not so good
[14:21] <fastforward> Yeah, probably just have to unlock it once your contract is up.
[14:21] <fastforward> lol
[14:21] <fastforward> I don't want to go back to gingerbread.
[14:21] <wrst> no way
[14:22] <wrst> gingerbread is like running windows 95
[14:22] <fastforward> 800x600 CRT for life...
[14:22] <wrst> ha ha you can't beat it!
[14:23] <wrst> I remember rushing out and buying windows ME so glad I'm over those days :)
[14:23] <fastforward> I hated ME.
[14:23] <wrst> the installer crashed several times of course before I got it installed I should have taken that as a hint
[14:24] <fastforward> Windows was my first, but Linux is my true love.
[14:24] <wrst> I use windows at work but everything at home is some for of *nix
[14:25] <wrst> have a freenas file server, laptop/desktop is arch, phone is android, the wife has macbook and an iphone, well not for sure what hte iphone is
[14:25] <wrst> but the rest is some form of *nix
[14:25] <fastforward> I have been here long enough that they let me do whatever I want as long as I can still do my work and be compliant with company policy.
[14:25] <fastforward> My wife has an iPhone and MacBook Pro as well. Funny how that works. :)
[14:25] <wrst> our accounting software is depending on windows
[14:26] <wrst> *dependent
[14:26] <wrst> fastforward: yes apple is more evil probably but at least I don't have to mess with it all the time
[14:27] <fastforward> I actually decided to get the MacBook Pr, but she had a white MacBook and loves Mac. I like it better than Windows but I still love Linux.
[14:28] <fastforward> I have to dual boot Windows to run our security scan/pen test software.
[14:52] <fastforward> wrst: are you pretty big into open source software outside of Linux?
[14:54] <wrst> yes I prefer to run open source when at all possible
[14:55] <wrst> I keep a win7 VM for times when I need it at home which is rare but every now and then need to test something out
[15:00] <fastforward> Same here. I thought about getting a VPS with Linode and running ownCloud instead of DropBox. Open Source has come a long way in the past 10 years and I've been impressed with tools like ownCloud.
[15:01] <wrst> fastforward: look into digital ocean if you are interested not as robust as linode but for running owncloud works awesome, I'm doing that currently
[15:05] <fastforward> That looks awesome. The problem with cloud hosting is that it's hard to determine cost. Looks like Digital Ocean has simplified it quite a bit.
[15:08] <fastforward> I don't see an option to upgrade disk space without upgrading plans, though. I have about 30GB of backups (music, vids, pics) and would like to have 50GB
[15:08] <fastforward> of storage with the lower hardware.
[15:21] <netritious> howdy
[15:23] <wrst> netritious: !
[15:23] <wrst> fastforward: ahh that could be an issue for me the 20GB is plenty to run my quassel-core and owncloud
[15:24] <wrst> and for 5 bucks a month I can't afford to run my own box at home not to mention the fat pipe they have
[15:24] <wrst> netritious: how are things?
[15:24] <netritious> hey wrst! going good bud, how about yourself?
[15:24] <wrst> doing well trying to get monday mayhem taken care of :)
[15:26] <netritious> monday's....we could all do without them heh
[15:28] <netritious> so I read ubuntu forums had been haxor'ed
[15:32] <wrst> yes netritious very lovely
[15:35] <fastforward> Funny to see people blaming Linux as the fault for the hack and not the software. Those Apple guys... /smh
[15:36] <fastforward> *the forum software
[15:37] <fastforward> wrst: I'll have to look if I can trim down my data. I liked having my music in the cloud, because I can just setup the client and sync to any machine. That's almost 20GB alone.
[15:39] <wrst> that's more like 40 GB for me so I don't attempt it, I do back it up using crashplan however
[15:39] <wrst> and believe it or not that is legally obtained music... many years
[15:39] <wrst> fastforward: adn I think the forums was that they have not kep things updated correctly if I'm not mistaken?
[15:41] <fastforward> Yes, that is my understanding, the forums (don't remember the platform) was just outdated. Doesn't look good, either way.
[15:41] <wrst> you can't blame linux for bad system administration
[15:45] <fastforward> Nope. But fanboys don't want to see it that way.
[15:45] <wrst> no but fanboys are fanboys for a reason
[15:46] <wrst> and does anyone use a mac server for anything?
[15:46] <fastforward> I have some friends who use them for recording, mainly because you have to get the Mac Pro to get enough horsepower to process the audio quickly.
[15:47] <netritious> yeah companies where employees insist on using apple computers have mac servers, /some/ do
[15:47] <netritious> usually the marketing dept.
[15:47] <netritious> sometimes publishing dept.
[15:48] <fastforward> Our marketing, design and graphics ppl have iMacs.
[15:48] <netritious> do they use a mac server for backups or anything?
[15:48] <fastforward> I guess a Mac Pro doesn't automatically some with Mac Server
[15:49] <fastforward> No, they use DropBox.
[15:50] <netritious> my wife is in a marketing dept where she is the only one with a PC lol
[15:51] <fastforward> That's funny, my wife is in marketing too. She's the only one in Marketing and has an iMac. I'm the only one in the whole office on Linux.
[15:52] <netritious> no linux at my wife's work place....like, /none/ at all
[15:52] <fastforward> That's sad. Linux makes the world a better place.
[15:52] <wrst> fastforward: yeah for recording I can see that but for your typical workhorse stuff... and for my messing around the house audio recording linux does way more than I need, but I'm a billion miles from anything professional
[15:53] <netritious> I have no love for Macs beyond the hardware.
[15:54] <netritious> wrst: you've been using Linux for a while now for recording, correct?
[15:54] <fastforward> Apple's Logic Pro is really amazing, Pro Tools is great as well. I use Aperture for photography stuff on the Mac, but that's about it.
[15:56] <netritious> I operated a Mac for a friend that had Logic Pro 7....it wasn't terrible
[15:56] <wrst> netritious: just a hobby level at best, ardour is pretty good stuff
[15:59] <fastforward> I hadn't heard of Ardour. I'll have to check it out. Looks slick.
[15:59] <netritious> personally I don't have a preference for audio recording...they all do pretty much the same thing.
[16:00] <fastforward> I've only used Audacity in the past.
[16:00] <netritious> my brother who does quite a bit of home recording prefers the Steinberg stuff, but it came free with his outboard Zoom USB "thingamabob"
[16:01] <netritious> it's like a mixer/8-track recorder/some other neat things
[16:02] <fastforward> Some of the guys I used to go to church with used Steinberg's Cubase
[16:02] <netritious> yeah that's it...Cubase
[16:02] <fastforward> That's all I know about it. :) I'd like something I could run on a decent laptop and record a sermon with.
[16:03] <fastforward> Then edit it as needed. Audacity is a bit cumbersome to edit with.
[16:03] <fastforward> Or maybe I just don't know what I'm doing!
[16:04] <netritious> sometimes you wonder, right? It took me a good while to get my head wrapped around mac+logic pro.
[16:04] <netritious> was pretty much the last time I used any recording software
[16:06] <netritious> off-topic...pre-ordered a parrella board.
[16:07] <netritious> whoops ...parallella
[16:09] <netritious> I wonder how that will do with recording
[16:12] <netritious> I would've been a kickstarter backer but thought it was more vaporware....sounded to good to be true
[16:14] <elijah-mbp> scrolling back up - reading about storage / dropbox - our latest answer at work is "use manta"
[16:14] <elijah-mbp> but we make that, so.... it's obvious.  :)
[16:18] <netritious> elijah-mbp: you work with node.js?
[16:45] <netritious> elijah-mbp: what I mean to say is do you write node.js servers?
[17:35] <fastforward> I think I just bricked my Razr...
[17:55] <fastforward> False alarm... just crashed my CM10 install... stock ROM is fine. It's amazing how you heart can jump up in your throat so quickly over a phone. :)
[18:19] <elijah-mbp> netritious: we do tons of nodejs at $WORK.  i read node code a lot better than i ever plan to write it :)
[18:28] <netritious> elijah-mbp: nice. ever heard of what.js? web UI based on node.js+extjs. Think it's abandoned now though.
[18:31] <netritious> use to be hosted at joynet/node.js
[18:49] <netritious> hey chris4585
[18:52] <netritious> so niece called recently saying she's installing windows 7 on her laptop before shipping off to college next year.
[18:53] <netritious> not next year, agh..this year, and like a month from now or so
[18:54] <netritious> anyway she had xp, i installed ubuntu around new years and the one thing she uses just doesn't work...cheap usb graphics tablet.
[18:56] <netritious> and a few moderately priced graphics tabletss purchased afterward in hopes that something worked.
[18:58] <netritious> so that's my bad ubuntu news... the good news is friends of the family are now on year three...family of four, recycled pc, etc.
[18:58] <netritious> probably <$100-125 bucks invested in everything.
[18:58] <netritious> ^^on ubuntu
[18:58] <wrst> netritious: that's cool
[19:00] <wrst> My last little project was a raspberry pi for my parents they had a printer that they needed wireless, instant wireless print server
[19:01] <netritious> nice one wrst
[19:01] <netritious> which printer is used for the print server?
[19:01] <wrst> its an old HP of some sort, would have been cheaper likely to have bought a wifi printer after buying ink for the thing but they like it so you know how that goes
[19:02] <netritious> yeah
[19:02] <wrst> its a scanner, they use it to make copies
[19:03] <netritious> ah cool. mine is hooked up to the "family PC" which I use for recording tv/cable via WMC
[19:04] <wrst> I love the pis for single use machines, I have thought about it as a file server
[19:04] <netritious> pis are neat
[19:04] <wrst> I'm currently using an old desktop running freenas, upgraded the hardware to use ZFS but I think that is likely overkill
[19:07] <netritious> i played with mine off and on one day and found myself waiting forever for, well, everything. to slow for my hobbies. the pi I mean.
[19:09] <wrst> oh yeah netritious its not a box for doine well much of anything, single printserver works great, irc server ok for that security camera, but I view them as unitask devices at best
[19:12] <netritious> I'm a little bit of a hardware snob, at least for my own personal uses. I think that's ok though (says the totally biased guy in the room)
[19:13] <netritious> But really, I think computing tasks should take as little time as possible -- in general.
[19:13] <netritious> Now for educational/hobby/single purpose units they are perfect. Mostly. lol
[19:13] <wrst> oh yeah its not something I would want to sit in front of and use all do long but for some uses its perfect in that it uses very little power, wouldn't make since for me to run a dual/quad/octo core machine for my parents to have access to a printer all the time
[19:14] <netritious> why I mentioned the parallella^^
[19:14] <netritious> looks like something that /can be/ used "normally"
[19:15] <wrst> interesting
[19:16] <netritious> replacement for the traditional PC is here
[19:19] <netritious> now, from my very limited android device usage (three phones, several tablets, etc) dual core makes a huge difference in terms of general response latency.
[19:20] <netritious> add a 16 or 64-core co-processor...
[19:21] <netritious> then stack them up...
[19:22] <wrst> yes on phones for sure my SIII i can tell a huge difference
[19:22] <netritious> guess what the recommended os for the parallella is wrst?
[19:23] <wrst> Ubuntu I think, but I have sorta cheated as I have been looking at their website
[19:49] <netritious> :)
[19:51] <wrst> looks interesting