| anonee | darkxst $ sudo adduser --system --group --home /var/lib/deluge deluge means the user deluge will be a member of system, group, and home groups? | 00:16 |
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| darkxst | anonee, not exactly, it will create a user and group deluge:deluge with system uid/gid's (i.e. < 1000) | 00:19 |
| darkxst | however normally system users would not be added to a group | 00:20 |
| anonee | darkxst I followed this tutorial, for the second time, because i like deluge's performance, when the torrent is almost dead, it seems to work like "hoover", and I need it to run before I login, so I followed this tutorial http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/UserGuide/InitScript/Ubuntu%2011.04%2B%20%28Upstart%20Job%29 | 00:22 |
| darkxst | also not sure why you are messing with those things..... the deluge packing would take care of it | 00:22 |
| anonee | this is the second installation, I've resolved this problem before, but that was with the help of someone, | 00:24 |
| anonee | which things? | 00:24 |
| darkxst | creating users etc | 00:24 |
| anonee | please have a look at the page if you have 1 min, it's because I need it to run before i login | 00:25 |
| darkxst | probably all you need to do is edit /etc/default/deluged | 00:28 |
| anonee | darkxst the file doesn't exist, do you think it's a good idea to create it? | 00:47 |
| bulletmark | no ubuntu forum to post, so here goes .. yesterdays gnome 3 ppa update of gdm now means that gdm does not start at boot. Funny thing is, neither does lightdm. Both start fine at command line after boot. any ideas? | 01:00 |
| bulletmark | this is only in my Virtualbox guest installs of Ubuntu 13.04 | 01:01 |
| bjsnider | the forums are still not back up? | 01:04 |
| anonee | darkxst are you still awake? | 05:13 |
| matanya | darkxst: I get this https://github.com/paradoxxxzero/gnome-shell-system-monitor-applet/issues/117 quite a lot | 10:18 |
| darkxst | ricotz, hey! | 10:48 |
| ricotz | darkxst, hi | 10:48 |
| matanya | darkxst: did you see my message? | 10:49 |
| darkxst | will you do the cogl/clutter updates for 3.9.5? | 10:50 |
| darkxst | matanya, yes | 10:50 |
| matanya | need any other info I guess | 10:50 |
| darkxst | matanya, I can't fix arch bugs | 10:50 |
| matanya | it is an arch bug? | 10:51 |
| matanya | I thought it is a gnome issue. | 10:51 |
| darkxst | matanya, what distro you on? | 10:51 |
| matanya | arch | 10:51 |
| matanya | ok, glad to sort that out. thanks, i'll report on the arch tracker | 10:52 |
| darkxst | it is a bug in libgtop, that I have only seen reported by arch users | 10:52 |
| ricotz | <ricotz> darkxst, i guess this was meant for me, so yeah, i can look at cogl/clutter, no releases though yet, but i will try to update the snapshots | 10:57 |
| ricotz | <ricotz> darkxst, it will *require* a whole stack rebuild of cogl rdepends, therefore it is better to wait for a release where the soname is bumped as needed | 10:57 |
| darkxst | ricotz, I meant with the upcoming release, but right I had no idea how many cogl redepends there are | 11:03 |
| ricotz | darkxst, bpeel is working on a cogl release for today | 11:04 |
| ricotz | so i will try to pick that up tonight | 11:04 |
| ronj | Hi. Approximately 3 days ago, my top-right corner User menu stopped showing the 'Suspend' item when I press ALT. I disabled all my extensions and confirm I am no longer able to suspend from this menu. Any idea why? Could that be a regression? Or maybe it's deactivated because Shell actually detects my hardware doesn't support suspend, and in this case what might be the culprit? This is a Dell XPS 1645 laptop, which has been functioning OK with Ubuntu and | 13:14 |
| ronj | GNOME 2/3 for years, and I am using Ubuntu GNOME 13.04 x86_64. Thanks for your help! | 13:14 |
| ronj | I precise I'm using the (stable, non-staging) PPA, which brings me to Shell 3.8.3 | 13:18 |
| jbicha | darkxst: https://github.com/linuxmint/Cinnamon/commit/d4d268e | 15:28 |
| ricotz | jbicha, hi :), imo we shouldnt care about this thing | 15:54 |
| ricotz | darkxst, pushed cogl 1.15.4 and clutter snapshot to ricotz/unstable if you want to build things against it | 15:55 |
| ricotz | (the changelogs are not done though) | 15:55 |
| jbicha | ricotz: yeah, Cinnamon is not my responsibility either except that we had to make sure cinnamon would build against the bumped-soname gjs | 15:55 |
| ricotz | jbicha, i see, this just keeps packagers busy for no reason :\ | 15:56 |
| jbicha | which? cinnamon or the soname bump? | 15:56 |
| ricotz | jbicha, cinnamon! ;) | 15:56 |
| jbicha | blame Debian for uploading it and abandoning it | 15:57 |
| ricotz | jbicha, there is kind of a promise that cogl won't bump again this cycle | 15:57 |
| ricotz | jbicha, why was it synced? :\ | 15:57 |
| ricotz | jbicha, it can be removed easily for sure | 15:58 |
| jbicha | Ubuntu release team aren't really willing to block it at this time (they're not even willing to block MATE) | 15:58 |
| ricotz | jbicha, leaving it alone/broken is the way then | 15:59 |
| jbicha | Cinnamon really needs at least one developer to care a bit about it | 15:59 |
| jbicha | if it's still broken near release time it might be removed (but someone might just fix it at that point too) | 16:00 |
| ricotz | i see | 16:01 |
| ricotz | all those wild forks are pita | 16:01 |
| jbicha | it's a crowded field, why would an Ubuntu developer run Cinnamon when he can run Unity, GNOME Shell, XFCE, etc.? | 16:02 |
| jbicha | if he's a strong Cinnamon fan, he might just as well be a Debian or Mint developer instead | 16:02 |
| ricotz | exactly, this is a mint linux things like unity is for ubuntu | 16:03 |
| ricotz | and fighting with it in ubuntu and draw resources to it is not a good idea | 16:03 |
| ricotz | jbicha, btw the mentioned cogl/clutter build are fully wayland enabled and should suffice as dep for the wayland-based mutter/gnome-shell branches | 16:05 |
| jbicha | ricotz: so the idea is that it would make our life easier (for maintaining the gnome3 ppa) if the soname-bumped cogl would be in Saucy? | 16:07 |
| ricotz | jbicha, exactly ;) | 16:07 |
| ricotz | and given the promise of no further soname bump it should be done with 1.15.4 | 16:08 |
| ricotz | jbicha, to have the wayland support there is need to get wayland/weston 1.2 in first | 16:09 |
| jbicha | I like the week after GNOME *.90 (and Freeze) and before Ubuntu Feature Freeze | 16:10 |
| ricotz | jbicha, that is fine as long it gets accepted | 16:11 |
| ricotz | doing the transition in the ppa isnt too much trouble | 16:12 |
| ronj | Hi (repeating a message from 3h ago, not spamming, I'd like the opinion of jbicha & ricotz who are here now). Approximately 3 days ago, my top-right corner User menu stopped showing the 'Suspend' item when I press ALT. I disabled all my extensions and confirm I am no longer able to suspend from this menu. Any idea why? Could that be a regression? Or maybe it's deactivated because Shell actually detects my hardware doesn't support suspend, and in this cas | 16:12 |
| ronj | e what might be the culprit and how can I fix it? This is a Dell XPS 1645 laptop, which has been suspending OK with Ubuntu and GNOME 2/3 for years, and I am currently using Ubuntu GNOME 13.04 x86_64 + PPA, i.e. GNOME Shell 3.8.3. Thanks for your help! | 16:12 |
| hashem | The shell detects what capabilities the system configuration has | 16:14 |
| hashem | perhaps you updated something? | 16:14 |
| ricotz | darkxst, hmm! | 16:14 |
| ricotz | darkxst, you uploaded a systemd enabled gnome-shell to the main ppa? | 16:15 |
| ricotz | darkxst, https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145965651/gnome-shell_3.8.3-1ubuntu2~raring1_3.8.3-1ubuntu5~raring1.diff.gz | 16:15 |
| ricotz | ronj, sorry, the problem is the gnome-shell package which shouldn't be in that ppa | 16:17 |
| ronj | ricotz, wow that was fast! well no problem, glad I was of help pinpointing the issue, be sure I'll be back whining in a few days if the problem persists :) | 16:19 |
| ricotz | ronj, ok ;) | 16:19 |
| roasted | ha, good catch | 16:29 |
| roasted | way to be awesome guys | 16:29 |
| ricotz | darkxst, ronj, pushed g-s updates | 16:47 |
| ronj | cool, I guess it's building, dist-upgrade currently returns "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded." I'll try it as soon as it's available. | 16:51 |
| ronj | thx guys I'm leaving, have a good day/night | 16:52 |
| ronj_ | darkxst jbicha ricotz : got the gnome-shell update and I confirm Suspend is back, wheeeeeeeee. Thx! | 18:21 |
| hashem | ronj_, nice job bringing up the issue quickly | 18:47 |
| jbicha | ricotz: darkxst: I think I'm going to upload gdm 3.9.5 to saucy https://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/tree/NEWS | 18:56 |
| ricotz | jbicha, no concerns about the removed fallback greeter? | 18:58 |
| jbicha | ricotz: no, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/07/28/%23ubuntu-gnome.html#t21:55 | 18:59 |
| jbicha | it's not been enabled in Saucy for a while anyway | 19:01 |
| ricotz | jbicha, ok, you are aware of some lucky (gir) api breaks in regards of gnome-shell which will stay on 3.8 | 19:03 |
| ricotz | i am not saying it is broken already, just saying it is possible | 19:03 |
| ricotz | if all dependencies are served and it is compatible it seems fine to do | 19:04 |
| jbicha | yeah I think gdm itself doesn't really do bleeding edge dependencies on things like gtk or g-s-d so far | 19:06 |
| jbicha | what do you mean about gir? | 19:06 |
| ricotz | jbicha, i mean gnome-shell uses the "introspected" libgdm which could break api like other things e.g gnome-desktop/gnome-bluetooth | 19:13 |
| jbicha | you mean an upgrade to gdm could break gnome-shell? | 19:16 |
| jbicha | my instinct is that the risk of that is minimal and it's easier to take the new version than backport the bugfixes here | 19:17 |
| ricotz | yes, i am just saying they tend to break things as usual | 19:17 |
| ricotz | e.g. gnome-shell 3.9 doesnt work with gnome-bluetooth 3.8 (without patching it) | 19:17 |
| jbicha | :( I'm just hoping they're more distracted by working on other things this cycle ;) | 19:17 |
| jbicha | the login screen doesn't have to be rewritten every cycle... | 19:18 |
| ricotz | the revamped usermenu seems not have effected gdm, but things like that could though | 19:18 |
| ricotz | afaik there were some talks about changing the login-screen too | 19:19 |
| ricotz | which could rely on gdm changes | 19:19 |
| ricotz | just speculations from my side currently | 19:19 |
| jbicha | I hear you | 19:19 |
| ricotz | jbicha, so updating to 3.8.3.1 seems better | 19:20 |
| ricotz | if you arent targetting fixes in 3.9.5 | 19:20 |
| jbicha | but I think it's ok to take gdm 3.9.5 with no guarantees that we'll take any future 3.9 or 3.10 upgrades and we'll still be better off than 3.8.* which may not be updated any more | 19:20 |
| jbicha | although I see that halfline just pushed gdm 3.8.4 so maybe I'll do that instead | 19:21 |
| ricotz | i mean 3.8.4 ;) | 19:21 |
| ricotz | https://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/log/?h=gnome-3-8 | 19:21 |
| ricotz | yes, do that | 19:22 |
| jbicha | ok | 19:22 |
| lk82 | hi | 19:25 |
| lk82 | hello everyone | 19:25 |
| lk82 | i got a question cause i have a problem with gnome-shell desktop settings | 19:25 |
| lk82 | Ubuntu 13.04 can't remember the settings and every reboot i don't see what i want - desktop with files, mounted drives etc | 19:26 |
| lk82 | anyone got a sollution, please? | 19:26 |
| hashem | dconf sounds broken maybe | 19:33 |
| lk82 | i reset settings and still the same | 19:33 |
| lk82 | should i reset dconf? | 19:35 |
| jbicha | ricotz: gdm 3.8.3.1 or 3.8.4 doesn't want to compile, silly fallback mode | 19:49 |
| ricotz | jbicha, fails how? | 20:03 |
| jbicha | http://paste.ubuntu.com/5930321/ | 20:14 |
| ricotz | jbicha, you are sure libgdmsimplegreeter.so.1 gets installed | 20:20 |
| darkxst | jbicha, I suspect gdm 3.9 would be find in saucy but probably best to wait for .90 | 22:04 |
| jbicha | darkxst: it's funny, GNOME *is* rewriting the login screen again according to gnome-shell's NEWS | 22:06 |
| jbicha | but so far they haven't needed to mess with gdm | 22:06 |
| darkxst | yeh, thats all abstracted away in the js code | 22:08 |
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