[16:53] <IdleOne> he does have a point
[16:53] <Pici> I'm glad it was an intelligent question.
[16:53] <IdleOne> just saying it is FUD makes us look like we are trying to hide something
[16:53] <IdleOne> that too
[16:53] <Pici> Aye
[16:54] <DJones> Maybe a factoid for it needs thinking through, if I wasn't cooking tea, I'd have a look for the links
[16:55] <IdleOne> !adlens
[16:55] <IdleOne> that is almost a complete answer
[17:09] <DJones> Are their any independant comments on the issue? If RMS says one thing on his blog, Mark says the opposite on his blog, just counteract each other, something independant would probably be better
[17:11] <DJones> Just think that if somebody believes RMS, they won't believe a Mark Shuttworth response
[17:11] <IdleOne> the FSF blogged about it in a less sensational way. both sides have good points. I think it isn't our job to convince the reader.
[17:11] <IdleOne> just pass on the info and let them decide
[17:16]  * DJones waits for Bradley Manning's spam/comments in #u
[17:46] <Pici> I see we've told rawrmonster a few times to ask in #python
[17:47] <IdleOne> yeah, wastrel is helping him out though and I could have gone to ##windows
[18:29] <Myrtti> oh dear me, I'm trying to log into Ubuntuforums but this whole thing is so complicated I can't make heads or tails
[18:29] <Myrtti> IRC is great, doesn't necessarily require passwords and the only person responsible for them is me myself
[19:08] <genii> @comment 56398 Reviewed, habitual offender, not lifted.
[20:16] <bazhang> ugh
[20:16] <bazhang> arch user asking for help in #ubuntu
[20:53] <El_Naciente> hi
[20:58] <genii> El_Naciente: Is there some issue you need to discuss with ubuntu channel moderators?
[20:59] <El_Naciente> genii I just want to make friends
[21:00] <Myrtti> that's nice, perhaps you could read the topic of this channel though?
[21:00] <Myrtti> !topic
[21:00] <genii> El_Naciente: Contrary to what bastidrazor may have told you, this channel is not to make friends in. It is for people to discuss their bans from channels or other behaviour.
[21:01] <genii> El_Naciente: For casual conversations, please visit #ubuntu-offtopic channel instead.
[21:01] <El_Naciente> genii ok gracias
[21:02] <genii> El_Naciente: Also please note the part of this channel topic which says: "Please exit the channel once your issue is dealt with."
[21:02] <genii> Heh.