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bzoltanmhall119:  No, there is no. We are working on it right now.03:03
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AskUbuntuUbuntu Edge; Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/32632603:45
savedjulihmmm... it doesn't look good... unluckily, I think they're not gonna make it...03:56
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murgeroAnyone awake?05:14
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debarkomurgero, am awake!05:49
debarkoinstalling ubuntu os on my nexus 405:50
debarko:)05:50
murgeroNice, could I ask for help05:50
debarkoit's a free world and a free channel on freenode05:50
debarkoshoot !!! :)05:50
debarkothough i dont know how much i can help05:50
debarko:P05:50
murgeroI need help setting up my environment.05:50
debarkookies05:50
murgerohave you compiled it yourself?05:51
debarkono am getting it from canonical itself05:51
debarkothey have pre compiled for nexus 405:51
murgeroAh nevermind then05:51
murgero:/05:51
debarkowhat phone do you have?05:51
murgeroD2USC (Samsung Galaxy S3 for US Cellular)05:51
murgeroI am trying to port it over but I am having trouble05:51
debarkookay05:52
debarkogood luck05:52
murgeroI follow the tutorial from Conical themselfs to the letter and I cannot get it right, cannot even compile it :(05:52
debarkomaybe you are missing some libraries!!05:53
debarkowhat is the error you are getting05:53
debarko??05:53
murgeroMaybe, I keep getting VARIANT_DEFCONFIG Error as well as MAKE Error 1 2 and 3 and some others.05:53
debarkomaybe it is some defined value05:57
debarkoyou need to change it05:57
murgeroI figured.05:57
murgeroI tried everything I can think of.05:58
debarkoaww :(05:58
debarkobad luck05:58
murgeroit is always the same error too, But Once I have tried changing some values in the local_manifest.xml and it got past that point, but errors out about unreachable server.05:58
murgeroGAH05:58
debarkohmm05:59
murgerowell anyway how are you?06:07
debarkoam fine!!06:07
murgerogood06:08
debarkowhat do you do?06:08
debarkoany body from canonical present here?06:16
debarko@all06:16
boosthi06:19
debarkohi boost06:20
dufluHi all, is this logged in the right project?.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/120636906:25
ubot5Launchpad bug 1206369 in Phablet Tools "adb frequently goes AWOL. Can't connect to phone without rebooting it." [Undecided,New]06:25
boosthow to install ubuntu touch on optimus L9 (P760)06:25
boost??06:25
boost i tried but not working.. any body provide me some guidelines to install??06:27
dufluboost: It's not officially supported. But someone has documented this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/P76006:31
boostok06:31
dufluboost: Looks too broken right now06:32
boostwhen i can expect the working condition06:33
boost??06:33
debarkoubuntu touch works smooth as silk on nexus 407:32
debarkoat times a bit jittery07:32
debarkobut still doing just fine!!07:32
debarkomore than that expected07:32
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dholbachgood morning07:53
mardyseb128: hi! That "Call" button in the specs is weird :-)07:58
seb128mardy, hey, yeah, that section needs work and it seems it might be dropped from the v1 anyway07:59
seb128mardy, let's just merge that small bit in and revisit later when design do some more work on it07:59
mardyseb128: yep, it's not clear to me at all who this function would be calling :-)08:00
mardyseb128: sure08:00
seb128mardy, well, the services should be coming from the sim08:04
seb128mardy, Ken got me an ofono dump the other day, it has a "ServiceNumbers = [411 & More] = '411' [Voice Mail] = '+18056377243' [Customer Care] = '611'" for him08:04
seb128mardy, so the idea is that e.g your can call your voice mail through that08:05
debarkowhat is the root password for ssh ing to the device08:06
mardyseb128: OK. The image got me wondering, because generally the credit information is available by sending an SMS, not calling08:06
debarkoi can ssh as phablet but i need to ssh as root08:06
popeydebarko: we dont have a root password08:07
mardydebarko: not sure if that's allowed; you should be able to run "sudo -i"08:07
seb128mardy, I think mpt's made the mockup list a bit in a random way, the services listed there might be slighly different from the real ones we will get08:07
popey!rootsudo | debarko08:07
ubot5debarko: sudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (GNOME, Xfce), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo08:07
debarkoi am trying to use the file explorer to copy paste stuff into the /data folder which i had08:07
debarkosome data on08:07
debarkoi need to connect to the device as root to read the files08:08
debarkoother wise if i use terminal and do a sudo su then it will take ages for me to get all the files08:08
debarkoor as well sudo -i08:08
debarkopopey, i need to login as root from file explorer in ubuntu 12.04 lts in desktop so that i can copy my data files which were stored by android and which are in the root folders such as /data08:09
debarkois there anything that can help me out in this situation08:10
popeydebarko: you could scp or rsync them off08:10
debarkoscp good08:10
debarko:)08:10
debarkolets c08:10
popeyadb root08:10
popeyadb shell08:10
popeycd /data08:10
popeyscp -r * user@host:~/path08:10
didrockssil2100: can you update bfiller on the status for apps?08:10
debarkothnx popey08:11
didrocksbfiller: context is:08:11
didrockssil2100 | didrocks: the apps stack has some problems, so I will probably have to fill in a bug and get it fixed before08:11
didrocks        | it can get released today ;/08:11
sil2100didrocks: yes, in a moment, I'm filling the bug08:11
bfillerdidrocks, sil2100 let me know what the issue is and if you need help08:12
debarkopopey, android 4.2 used to store all app data in extended/0/sdcard or something similar... when installing ubuntu phone os does all those get deleted?08:12
sil2100bfiller: but as a quick summary: it seems that one webbrowser package wants to overwrite an existing file installed by another webbrowser package, so I'll have to poke oSoMoN about that as well08:12
debarkoam using nexus 4 so there are no external sd card just a emulated one, popey08:12
popeydebarko: when you flash ubuntu, all android data is wiped08:13
debarkowow! am screwed! :(08:13
mardyLaney: oh, something is moving: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,58979 :-)08:13
popeydebarko: oops08:13
Laneymardy: wowzer, didn't know about this08:14
bfilleroSoMoN: wonder if that can be related to the crash08:14
mardyLaney: I just saw it in the Qt ML today08:14
Laneyis the API decent?08:14
mardyLaney: still looking at it. Anyway, it's for Qt 5.208:15
* Laney nods08:15
oSoMoNbfiller: I don’t think so08:16
oSoMoNsil2100: yeah, I noticed this conflict this morning, was starting to work on it, we’ll need to update debian/control with some conflicts/replaces I guess, although I’m not an expert in this field08:16
sil2100oSoMoN: I filled a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1206407 <- I can try helping if needed08:17
ubot5Launchpad bug 1206407 in webbrowser-app "webbrowser-app-assets overwrites file from webbrowser-app" [High,New]08:17
oSoMoNsil2100: thanks, I’m on it, I’ll ping you if I need help08:20
sil2100oSoMoN: awesome - on first glimpse it looks like it's just that the same file is installed by two packages at once08:21
didrocksbfiller: I think the crash was with yesterday's version08:23
didrocksbfiller: today's issue is something that is blocking from being on today's image08:23
bfillerdidrocks: ack08:24
nerochiarogusch: oSoMoN: super simple review: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-assets-copyright/+merge/17752508:24
guschnerochiaro: ok08:25
guschnerochiaro: approved08:26
m-b-ohi. I've flashed an image from friday and  "/" is now world and group writable08:38
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m-b-othis is known, I guess?08:38
nerochiarogusch: thanks08:46
oSoMoNsil2100: can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/package-deps-conflict/+merge/177532 ?08:48
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Guest42887Good morning all, happy Paperback Book day! :-D08:53
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sil2100oSoMoN: thanks! Will do!09:12
nerochiarogusch: do you know where i can get the libusermetricsinput that seems to be a dep of camera-app ?09:15
guschnerochiaro: you need saucy for that (that's why I had to upgrade)09:16
nerochiarogusch: uff, can't do that right now, i guess i'll test stuff on the device09:17
nerochiarogusch: updating to saucy will take too much time09:17
guschnerochiaro: yep - better to test it there then09:17
slangasekis ofono known to be segfaulty right now?09:19
ogra_slangasek, not to my knowledge09:21
slangasekok09:21
ogra_YAY !!!!09:21
slangasekso it's really segfaulty here ;)09:21
ogra_3 days and i finally got flipped working on my galaxy S209:21
ogra_hmm, container doesnt come up09:22
JamesTaitI'm willing to bet this is an FAQ, but does the fact that current in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/ is still pointing to the 20130726.1 images mean that the later ones have failed testing, or just that they haven't been tested?09:23
ogra_JamesTait, it means they didnt succeed 100%09:24
ogra_http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/09:24
JamesTaitogra_, you preempted my next question, thanks. :)09:24
ogra_we released 20130726.1 because it was the first one to be green09:24
ogra_the next release will only happen after 100% coverage09:24
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popeybah09:25
ogra_drop the devices09:25
ogra_we have them in the bot09:25
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popeyyay, QA link now there09:25
ogra_thanks !09:26
popeyogra_: can you think of some way I can do phablet-network-setup without requiring sudo ?09:29
popeytrying to automate it so my phone gets flashed, network setup then autopilot, but don't want to have to have it pause for my password09:29
popeyguess I could keep a copy of my wifi config in my home and adb push that09:29
ogra_popey, not really, you could add a sudoers.d snippet for this though09:29
popeytrue09:30
popeythats probably easiest09:30
ogra_root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /var/09:31
ogra_log  run09:31
nerochiarooSoMoN: do you remember when design sends asset guidelines like this one: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/143012193/camera_final_font.jpg is each square 1 gu or 0.5 gu ?09:31
* ogra_ scratches head09:31
oSoMoNnerochiaro: 1gu, and if you need confirmation, ask jounih09:32
popeysuccess09:33
popeyalan@deep-thought:/etc/sudoers.d$ cat phab.conf09:33
popeyalan  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/phablet-network-setup09:33
ogra_yeah09:34
slangasekhrm.  and ofono is still coming from the ppa?09:34
slangasekI thought that was already resolved09:34
nerochiarooSoMoN: perfect. just needed a quick yes/no. thanks09:34
ogra_slangasek, rsalveti and awe work on it09:37
slangasekogra_: <nod>09:38
ogra_its a bit of a challenge since they want to use the same upstream tarball but have a byr maintained tree on top ... and integrate all this with the std package in the archive so that this stays untouched09:38
ogra_*bzr09:39
slangasek"untouched"?09:39
ogra_well, we will have an ofono-touch binary09:39
ogra_ofono needs plugins compiled in at runtime09:39
ogra_and there are contradicting plugins and also patches we dont want in the noirmal distro package afaik09:40
slangasekogra_: ah, ok09:42
slangasekman, the ofonod pre-start script is beautiful09:43
slangasekit ensures that no matter how many times ofonod crashes, it never gives up09:43
ogra_connectivity ftw :)09:44
ogra_(if it connects)09:44
nerochiarogusch: can you successfully run the autopilot tests on the device for camera-app ?09:44
guschnerochiaro: did not try to do that I have to admit09:45
nerochiarogusch: they seem to fail here, a few of them09:49
guschnerochiaro: I'm flashing - then I will check if I can run them09:50
nerochiarogusch: let me flash too, might be the problem09:50
LaneyIn system-settings I have to do something "if no carrier is selected" - does that correspond to unregistered (and denied?) in https://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/doc/network-api.txt as accessed from ofono-qt?09:52
seb128Laney, we have code getting the carrier name through qtsystems there already, can't you just check if there is a name returned/set?09:53
Laneyseb128: I think that would be true if you just have no signal too09:54
Laneyor if you're in flight mode etc09:54
Laney(in those cases I have to display something else!)09:54
LaneyIf no carrier is selected, this should be followed by a “Carrier Settings…” (TBD) button. Otherwise (if a carrier is selected but is not transmitting data), it should be followed by a “Cellular Data Settings…” button.09:54
Laneyhow /do/ I detect if a carrier is not transmitting data?09:55
seb128Laney, you probably need awe or rsalveti for those questions ... or use the mailing list as you just did for the datetime question09:58
Laneyyeah09:58
Laneydone that10:01
rickspencer3bzoltan, did you see Laney's questions on the mailing list?10:03
guschnerochiaro: for me only camera_app.tests.test_focus.TestFocus.test_move_focus_ring fails, but that should be fixed in trunk (qtubuntu-camera)10:06
Moscherkoboldhello everyone, is this the right channel to ask question about the ubuntu edge project?10:06
rickspencer3Moscherkobold, ask away10:07
Moscherkoboldi was wondering if the project suceeds and I get a phone if a docking station is included10:09
popeyMoscherkobold: we haven't specced out a docking station, no10:09
Moscherkoboldbut i will need something like this to use this cool pc&phone in one device feature, right?10:10
popeyMoscherkobold: a simple slimport adapter should work fine, but more details will come forward on that later10:11
Moscherkoboldso you will update the techspec before the founding time is over?10:11
popeyMoscherkobold: no, i expect more details about that later in the development, after the funding time is over10:12
popeyMoscherkobold: the current development handset used by most developers is the nexus 4, and a simple slimport adapter is used to connect to a display10:13
Moscherkoboldmaybe a stupid question but keyboard, mouse etc are working, too?10:14
ogra_they will10:15
popeyMoscherkobold: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk9-v8Sl4yU  for a demo10:15
ogra_note that the plan is that the people who paid will be able to help selecting the missing HW specs10:15
ogra_(at least thats how i understood mark)10:16
ogra_after all it is their device, canonical only gives a basic frame of features10:16
Moscherkoboldpopey: thank you, but he is doing all the input with the phone, can i also do the input with keyboard etc if the phone is connected?10:16
ogra_Moscherkobold, it will be able to charge at the same time you use UB devices10:17
ogra_*USB10:17
ogra_(assuming thats what you meant)10:17
nerochiarogusch: what do you mean when you say qtubuntu-camera ?10:18
popeyMoscherkobold: he uses a bluetooth keyboard10:19
nerochiarogusch: also do you know who's the designer responsible for camera-app UI design these days ?10:19
w-floMoscherkobold, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNhlVn3ETQ&feature=player_detailpage you can see her use a mouse in that vid. (IIRC, somehow the vid doesn't work for me right now)10:19
guschnerochiaro: qtubuntu-camera is the qt plugin I work on10:20
Moscherkoboldpopey: so if I connect the phone to a screen I will the phone OS on a big screen and can do all inputs with the phone or bluetooth devices?10:20
nerochiarogusch: but the fixed version is not in the main image yet10:20
nerochiaro?10:20
sil2100oSoMoN: hi!10:21
sil2100oSoMoN: I'm reviewing that branch you made, and I have some questions10:21
Moscherkoboldpopey: right? can I somehow use my standart pc stuff at home, usb keyboard and mouse?10:21
guschnerochiaro: I'd guess the designer is rachelliu10:21
ogra_Moscherkobold, the phone apps can run in the sidestage of the desktop ... if you connect it it will in parallel bring up the desktop UI on the big screen10:21
ogra_the phone OS will keep on running as you are used to10:21
nerochiarogusch: ok. as for the tests, for me two tests fail on device after a clean flash: camera_app.tests.test_focus.TestFocus.test_move_focus_ring and camera_app.tests.test_focus.TestFocus.test_focus_invalid10:21
guschnerochiaro: no - releaseing is slow these days10:21
oSoMoNsil2100: yes?10:22
sil2100oSoMoN: first, since I see that essentially webbrowser-app-assets changed into qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-extras-browser-plugin-assets10:22
oSoMoNsil2100: nope10:23
sil2100oSoMoN: if that's it, why are some asset files installed by webbrowser-app instead of qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-extras-browser-plugin-assets?10:23
sil2100Ah10:23
sil2100So it's not just a renaming?10:23
oSoMoNsil2100: it wasn’t just a package renaming, the packages have been re-organized10:23
guschnerochiaro: weired - both after a clean flash, and on the same device (maguro)10:24
sil2100oSoMoN: ok, so essentially webbrowser-app-assets got removed completely and the default assets are now installed by webbrowser-app itself?10:24
guschnerochiaro: I'd say we should ask omar10:24
oSoMoNsil2100: as I commented in the bug, the files that previously were installed by webbrowser-app-assets are now installed by webbrowser-app10:24
nerochiarogusch: yes10:24
oSoMoNsil2100: yes, exactly10:24
sil2100oSoMoN: ok, so now basically webbrowser-app is the replacement, ok ;)10:25
Moscherkoboldogra_: so this is more or less just connection a screen, not like a notebook docking station10:25
nerochiarogusch: i'm running the test a few times in a row and sometimes it does fail and sometimes not. so yeah, definitely something that we need to work on with omer. in the meantime i'm gong to submit my MR anyway, as it doesn't make any other tests fail10:26
ogra_if someone builds such a docking station i assume it would be adaptable too (but i guess in that case you would want the whole phone OS in the sidestage sinc the phone display might be mechanically inaccessible)10:26
Moscherkoboldogra_: my target was to have a dock at home, with a screen, mouse, keyboard, headset and so on and if i arrive at home i connect the phone and proceed working10:26
Moscherkoboldmaybe i have 2 docking stations 1 at home and 1 at work10:27
ogra_that will definitely be possible10:27
ogra_(though the dosk itself would have to come from a third party for now ... i assume if the funding happens you will see a bunch of additional projects around the edge10:27
ogra_)10:27
ogra_*the dock10:28
Moscherkoboldok great, but in generell the phone is able to work like this10:28
ogra_yeah, thats the target of convergence10:28
bzoltanrickspencer3: Yes, I am reading it now10:29
Moscherkoboldogra_: popey: thank you for your time10:29
popeynp10:30
ogra_np :)10:30
guschnerochiaro: you could try flashing the latest stuff (phablet-flash --pending) - that should include the qtubuntu-camera fix10:31
nerochiarogusch: i'll give it a shot later, but I think in this case it's not really important10:33
nerochiarooSoMoN: gusch: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-time-centered/+merge/17755810:33
guschnerochiaro: ok - on it10:33
oSoMoNnerochiaro: "count.paintedWidth + 22 * 2" : where does this value of 22 come from?10:35
nerochiarooSoMoN: it's always been magicked in there i guess10:36
oSoMoNnerochiaro: but it’s there for margins or something similar, right?10:36
nerochiarooSoMoN: yes10:37
nerochiarooSoMoN: it probably needs to be refactored in fractions of a gu10:37
oSoMoNnerochiaro: yup10:37
oSoMoNnerochiaro: and since you did some "while I was at it" refactoring already that touches that code, how about you convert to GUs now?10:38
oSoMoNnerochiaro: or better yet, figure out how to remove the magic value altogether10:38
nerochiarooSoMoN: yes, but it's not related to this MR and bug. can we file another one and take care of that later ?10:39
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nerochiarooSoMoN: the rest of the refactoring was fairly simple, converting to gus i'm not sure10:39
oSoMoNnerochiaro: is the other bit of refactoring related to this bug?10:39
nerochiarooSoMoN: no, but it was easy and so i did it anyway. i can remove it if you want.10:42
nerochiarooSoMoN: i'm just trying to hammer out these bugs without losing extra time10:42
oSoMoNnerochiaro: fair enough10:43
oSoMoNnerochiaro: so please file another bug for the magic values10:43
nerochiarooSoMoN: ok10:43
oSoMoNnerochiaro: I’ll review your MR after lunch, got a couple of urgent things on my plate before that10:43
nerochiarooSoMoN: maybe gusch will take it before then10:44
nerochiarooSoMoN: but thanks10:44
nerochiarooSoMoN: report for the pixel value for margins: https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/120645510:46
ubot5Launchpad bug 1206455 in camera-app "Remove hardcoded margin values in pixels" [Undecided,New]10:46
oSoMoNnerochiaro: thanks, confirmed10:46
nerochiaroivanka_: Ivanka: hello, do you know who is currently responsible (and not on holidays) for design advice on camera-app ? I would like some design input on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/120413610:50
ubot5Launchpad bug 1204136 in camera-app "Camera switch button should not show on UI for devices with one camera (i.e. n7)" [High,Confirmed]10:50
guschnerochiaro: in landscape it's v-centered on the left - that's looks weired to me10:52
nerochiarogusch: there was no design instructions on where it should go on landscape10:53
guschnerochiaro: hmmm - I would have assumed again h-centered on the top10:56
nerochiarogusch: i can do that if you think it will be better10:57
sam__hai everyone,can i try ubuntu touch in my pc10:59
Ivankanerochiaro: maybe ask katie_ ?11:00
katie_Ivanka, you can never escape!!11:01
katie_nerochiaro, i'm here11:01
katie_nerochiaro, what's the question?11:01
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nerochiarokatie_: hi. it's in the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1204136 (last comment)11:02
ubot5Launchpad bug 1204136 in camera-app "Camera switch button should not show on UI for devices with one camera (i.e. n7)" [High,Confirmed]11:02
katie_nerochiaro, just looking now...11:02
nerochiarokatie_: thanks11:02
Ivankakatie_: :-)11:04
guschnerochiaro: well - I'd go for top h-centered all the time, but better ask katie_ ;)11:06
katie_nerochiaro, the same thing will happen if there is no flash11:08
nerochiarokatie_: i guess so, but what is that should happen ?11:09
katie_nerochiaro, so I think that for now we should show buttons which aren't available in a disabled state11:09
katie_nerochiaro, i don't think we've defined a disabled state11:09
katie_nerochiaro, so use a 50% grey11:10
katie_for now11:10
nerochiarokatie_: i'm not sure how to do that without new assets. i can do 50% opacity but i'm not sure i can change the color of the icons11:11
murgeroHey guys!11:15
murgeroCan someone respond really quick, just say anything?11:15
Chloverhey11:15
murgerowhats up?11:15
ChloverNot much, how about you?11:15
murgeroI am actually making a quick IRC client that is gonna be cross compilable between ARM and X86 Processors. :)11:16
ChloverThats cool! Cross compatibility is the future! =P11:16
murgeroHaha yeah!11:17
murgeroRight now it can connect to the IRC server, the users selected channel with a user selected user name.11:17
murgeroThe problem I am facing is the user cannot run IRC commands properly.11:17
murgeroBut thanks for the quick response!11:17
ChloverYou're welcome! ^^ Good look with the IRC client! ^^11:19
seb128Laney, mardy: what's the magic that makes "plugin" to be defined in ItemPage.qml? (I'm trying to access "pluginManager" from there but without luck)11:22
davmor2popey: I've found a way to confirm you are on 3g over wifi, just go to ubuntu.com and look at phone image ee compress the image so the phone image doesn't look very nice on wifi it looks lovely again :)11:22
popeydepends on your provider11:23
popeynot all will compress images11:23
popeydavmor2: you could just open a terminal and run nm-tool ☻11:23
popeyor mtr 8.8.8.811:23
Laneyseb128: when it's pushed in MainWindow.qml we set { plugin: plugin }11:25
davmor2popey: I know, personally I just type what's my ip into the search box and google tells me :)11:25
seb128Laney, oh, do, thanks11:25
Laneyseb128: It might be clever to add pluginManager as a proeprty of the PageStack so that plugins can access it11:26
Laneyor just push it in in the same way, not sure it matters11:26
seb128Laney, you mean the same way plugin is set?11:27
Laneyproperty variant pluginManager: pluginManager below id: pageStack11:27
Laneywould that work?!11:27
seb128Laney, let me try ;-)11:27
Laneythat's how I imagined it would be done, but you could also just push a second variable in indeed11:28
seb128Laney, if you add it as a property to the pagestack, how do you access the stack from a page?11:30
nerochiarozsombi: is there some image provider in the sdk that can be used to get lighter or darker versions of assets ?11:30
Laneyseb128: they should be in scope11:30
bfillersil2100, didrocks : the browser dependency fix has an MR that needs review: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/package-deps-conflict/+merge/17753211:30
Laneylike how you can do pageStack.push(...)11:30
bfillerthen release can continue11:30
Laneythat refers to that pageStack11:30
seb128Laney, ah, that makes sense, trying11:31
seb128Laney, thanks11:31
sil2100bfiller: I commented on it11:31
sil2100oSoMoN: ^11:31
zsombinerochiaro: the only one I know of is the icon11:33
oSoMoNsil2100: commented back11:33
sil2100oSoMoN: indeed, but I guess in our case we would want to 'replace' the whole webbrowser-app-assets package, removing it completely during installation, right?11:35
sil2100oSoMoN: so I guess this is more the case of "7.6.2 Replacing whole packages, forcing their removal"11:35
oSoMoNsil2100: indeed11:35
seb128Laney, I can't get it work with a property ... do you want to have a look or should I just go with the parameter to .push() option? (that one works)11:37
oSoMoNsil2100: the example in the doc is not so clear to me though, what do I need to do exactly, just add the "Conflicts" line?11:37
sil2100oSoMoN: I would recommend to just switch 'Breaks' with 'Conflicts'11:37
m-b-ohello11:38
m-b-oI've flashed an image from friday and  "/" is now world and group writable. I can write everywhre as phablet...11:38
oSoMoNsil2100: ok, doing that now11:38
katie_nerochiaro, ok, i'll get you some11:39
nerochiarokatie_: perfect, thank you. please once you have them add them in a comment on the bug report, so they are easy to find.11:40
guschnerochiaro: about the video counter - will you switch the position in landscape mode?11:42
popeym-b-o: been like that for a while now, it'll be fixed soon, known issue11:42
katie_nerochiaro, ok11:43
nerochiarogusch: yeah, i'm doing that11:43
nerochiarogusch: was getting some food before that11:44
guschnerochiaro: ok11:44
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m-b-opopey: ah, ok. thanks11:45
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Laneyseb128: do that, seems fine to me11:45
seb128Laney, ok11:45
cjwatson/ world and group writable> OMG giant flashback to intrepid release sprint11:46
cjwatson(It wasn't /, but nearly as bad ...)11:46
popey11:46
* popey thinks cjwatson would be a good source for a future "history of ubuntu" book/documentary11:47
cjwatsonI keep meaning to start putting together notes to that end11:47
oSoMoNsil2100: pushed changes to my MR11:48
sil2100oSoMoN: looking and approving if OK, I guess no need to block the stack any further - thanks! :)11:48
om26erSaviq, hi11:58
ogra_YAY !12:03
* ogra_ has the container starting on the SGS212:04
ogra_now on to the udev rules12:04
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MacSlowtimp, ping12:16
timpMacSlow: pong12:17
nerochiarogusch|lunch: i updated the MR so that the top+center even when in landscape mode. please have a look when you come back from lunch12:17
MacSlowkalikiana, ping12:19
davmor2cjwatson: I remember being late to the release party due to last minute respins and getting cussed by devs for beating them to the test on that wonderful intrepid release :)12:22
kalikianaMacSlow: pong12:24
Stskeeps2212:24
Stskeepser, ignore me12:24
davmor2cjwatson: and of course there were no other last minute respins ever after that right :D12:24
slangasekcyphermox: ping12:29
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mptralsina, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Phone12:36
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jasbirhi12:49
popeyhi12:50
jasbiri am trying to install touch/install on my nexus 4 device, but i keep on getting an error   Errors were encountered while processing:  xdiagnose E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)12:50
jasbircan anybody please help me out here ??12:51
popeyjasbir: what guide did you follow?12:51
jasbirwiki ubuntu12:52
popeyat what point are you getting that error?12:52
jasbirafter this command sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot12:52
popeyyou're running that on your laptop?12:52
jasbirno, on a desktop12:53
popeysounds like you have an underlying package broken, can you paste the entire output?12:53
jasbirsure12:53
popeyat paste.ubuntu.com or something12:53
jasbirThe following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   linux-headers-3.5.0-17 linux-headers-3.5.0-17-generic Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 105 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/101 kB of archives. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y dpkg: error processin12:54
popeywait12:54
popeynot here12:54
popeyhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/ please paste all of the output there12:54
popeythen give me the url12:54
jasbirhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/5928928/12:55
popeythanks12:55
popeyjasbir: sudo dpkg --configure -a12:56
popeydo that12:56
jasbirok12:56
jasbirdidn't help with that, still the same error12:57
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popeysudo apt-get install --reinstall xdiagnose12:57
ptlUbuntu Edge is under the expected amount. What will Canonical do now?12:59
jasbirhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/5928940/12:59
jasbiri think this sounds about right ???13:00
ogra_ptl, what wouyld you expect canonical to do ?13:00
jasbirshould i go ahead to the installation13:00
popeyjasbir: looks good ☻13:01
popeyptl: it's all in hand.13:01
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jasbirok great thanx for your help13:02
popeyno problem13:02
ptlogra_: I don't have the slightest idea, I wonder why they tried this insane amount of money in the first place, to me it was obvious that it was unreachable... I am just dismayed because I wanted so much this project to succeed...13:02
ogra_ptl, 44000 devices * $830 = 32mil13:03
ogra_ptl, its is the price for the devices ...13:03
ptllet me rephrase then13:03
ptlthis insane amount of devices13:03
ogra_that HW setup cant be built cheaper13:03
AskUbuntuNexus 4 - Failed to install Ubuntu Touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/32649513:03
ogra_if you take less devices the price rises exponentially13:03
popeyptl: economies of scale, fewer devices would cost more13:03
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ogra_same for taking more uless you take a really big margin13:04
ptlpopey: good answer.13:04
ptlogra_: indeed...13:04
ptlwell, I am just upset because it won't succeed. That's a pity.13:04
ogra_but since the device is not planned to go on sale more devices wouldnt have made sense13:04
popeySometimes you need to be a bit insane ☻13:04
popeyptl: I wouldn't call it dead yet ☻13:05
ChloverI'm just upset about it, because I want one, but dont have the money for one! >.< =P13:06
ptlthe suspense worsens my mood, it's like committing to a losing team13:06
ogra_yeah, let it run to the end13:06
Debolazptl: The main goal of the Edge was probably to create publicity around the ideas Canonical have been working on. Obviously they want the project to get funded, and the phone to be made, but I suspect that's just a bonus if it happens.13:06
popeyI dont think that was the primary goal.13:07
Debolazptl: My thoughts on it anyway. :)13:07
popeyIf it was, we wouldn't have made a bunch of prototypes costing thousands of dollars13:07
w-flothe "Estimate at current rate (High)" looks very promising. I wonder if the new t-shirt helped with that.. :D http://doridian.de/edgegraph/13:07
ogra_the primary goal was to build a super phone that is as powerful as a laptop or desktop PC13:07
ptlDebolaz: heard that opinion, still, to me it seems that Canonical reputation will end up worse, becaude they will appear to be 'losing the grasp on the market' or something due to the 'failure'13:07
ogra_canonical can only win13:08
popey+113:08
ogra_the only loser here is the commmunity13:08
ogra_if it doesnt reach the goal13:08
Debolazpopey: A few thousand dollars to Shuttleworth is nothing, it's money well spent to inspire people.13:08
Chloverwhats with the short time of only a month to fund though?13:08
Debolazptl: I don't think several millions dollars raised can be classified as a complete failure. It shows people are interested.13:09
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ptlDebolaz: hope you are right13:10
popeyWhen we put the prototype in peoples hands at OSCON they were very positive13:10
ptlthere's another detail, too bad it is not meant to be open source hardware... that would make it revolutionary in other senses.13:10
popeyhad some people go away and come back the next day saying they'd backed it13:10
popeywe'll open up as much as we can13:10
Debolazptl: Lets say somewhere between $10 and $20m dollars are gathered. Would you see that as a massive failure? Okay, that money is going back to the people who contributed it if the final goal isn't reached, but seeing people being willing to spend $20m on Ubuntu doesn't really seem like a miserable failure to me.13:10
ogra_ptl, can you show me any opensource mobile graphics hardware ? or any opensrounce LTE modem ?13:11
ptlDebolaz: not a miserable failure, I can agree with that... But still... That will mean no Ubuntu Edge by may 201413:11
ogra_ptl, if you have any suggestions for open chips we definitely want to hear about it13:11
ogra_to my knowledge both of the above doesnt exist13:12
ptlactually I might have. Have to recheck my sources.13:12
ptlI have been following the open source hardware and bought a few devices that are said to be so, like the beaglebone black, the cubieboard and Parallella.13:13
ogra_it needs to be capable to run mmultiple displays without hassle and indeed it needs to be in a SoC with a proper CPU13:13
Debolazpopey: People certainly want the phone. But the projects main goal imho is publicity, which will be achieved no matter if funding succeeds or not.13:13
ogra_(quad or octacore etc ... )13:13
ptlthey are not completely open source, of course, lest ARM processors are all closed source, to my knowledge.13:13
ptlAnd covered by lots of patents.13:13
ogra_thats my point13:13
ogra_:)13:13
ogra_there is no such thing like opensource hardware in mobile business13:14
ogra_at least not at that performance level13:14
ogra_or that connectivity level13:14
ptlbut the basic idea of open hardware is that you can download the eagle and gerber files and build replica or derived boards of your own (in this case, you'd just buy the same SoCs from ARM sellers)13:14
ogra_well, i see no reason why the PCB plans cant be made public as eagle files13:15
popeyhttp://www.reddit.com/r/tabled/comments/1j1gbv/table_iama_hi_im_mark_shuttleworth_founder_of/13:15
ogra_that wont make the chips free though :)13:15
popeysee first question ptl13:15
DebolazI think it looks like an incredibly sexy phone, more sexy than most things on the market today. Personally, I can't afford it, but it's not unreasonably priced. (I can't afford an iPhone either, yet people buy it)13:15
ogra_or the drivers ...13:15
ogra_Debolaz, you can win it ;)13:15
* ogra_ sighs ... so my galaxy S2 boots flipped ... but to a black screen ... funnily the shell is up and there are no errors at all in the logs13:16
Tassadar_ogra_: probably screensaver >_>13:17
ogra_haha13:17
ptlDebolaz: the price is really right for the features, I wholeheartedly agree, and the features are amazing (i personally do not care much about its appearance, though, and I would prefer a hardware keyboard)13:17
ChloverI think it looks lovely, and features are awesome, I hope other hardware developers put similar hardware abilities in there phones coming out 201413:18
ptlYeah... I also have high hopes for it13:19
ptlI use it on my nexus 4 and nexus 7, which I bought exclusively for this13:19
ptlAndroid did not last half and hour in them13:19
ptland btw, isn't the headphone working yet?13:20
ogra_that would be a question for diwic13:20
ogra_i thinnk there is work going on to make headphones work13:20
ptlah ok, just to confirm, I had been experimenting with building a serial for my Nexus 4 and I just hope I haven't screwed up the connector. :P13:21
diwicptl, I don't know about the standard image. I'm having some experimental images where it should be working, if not today so within a few days I'd say...but that's the experimental image13:22
diwicptl, which you probably can't find13:22
ptldiwic: no hurry! :-)13:22
barrylool: ping13:25
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nerochiarogusch: is there any way to know how many cameras are there on the device and if the current camera supports torch/flash ?13:48
ogra_YIPPPIIE !!!13:50
loolbarry: pong13:55
loolbarry: sorry, lots of different meetings, hard to finish reporting state of the system-image stuff13:55
barrylool: hi.  yeah, i'm trying to debug the dbus problems13:55
barrylool: given that eta for that is unknown, what's the best way forward in the time left?13:56
loolbarry: we're setting things up manually for now13:57
loolbarry: the system-settings should be published pretty soon13:57
barrylool: okay.  did you see my message about .Exit()?13:57
loolbarry: I've seen a bug about it, not sure13:57
loolbarry: generally, the current approach seems to be fragile13:58
loolbarry: if e.g. you go to settings twice quickly, it doesn't work13:58
loolalso, dbus activation seems to be broken13:58
barrylool: it was about resetting state after cancel.  just call .Exit() and let dbus activation restart it13:58
barryhmm13:58
ogra_hmm, this ofono here is seriously unhappy ...13:58
barrylool: dbus never fails to produce countless headaches13:59
guschnerochiaro: for the number of cameras, you need to use the same class as for switching them (so you need C++)13:59
guschnerochiaro: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/qvideodeviceselectorcontrol.html#deviceCount13:59
xcausxnHello13:59
guschnerochiaro: for the flash - I'm working ot it (will take a time)14:00
loolbarry: that's on my desktop though; might not be too important, not sure14:00
xcausxnHey Everyone, i just installed Ubuntu Touch on my nexus 4. Im new to it but where can i manually add a wifi network14:01
xcausxnI went to system settings but the wifi button seems locked out whereas other buttons like background work14:02
barrylool: okay.  unless there's anything else i can do to help you for the demo, i will continue to try to debug the test failures in your branch.  i'm sure it's some obscure dbus-system.conf setting.  if i can get those tests to pass, i'll upload a new version.  in the meantime, ping me if you need anything14:02
ogra_xcausxn, pull down the panel from the top, slide left/right to the network indicator14:02
* w-flo observes ogra going from "YIEPPPPIE" to "hmmmm" to "YAY" and then "wait.." again :D14:02
plarsgusch: ping14:02
ogra_xcausxn, your APs should be listed there14:02
guschplars: hi - I'm having may daily standup - can we chat in 30min?14:02
ogra_w-flo, well, i have flipped up on the galaxy S2 ... but a lot of HW still doesnt work14:03
plarsgusch: could you take a look at the gallery app failure at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3254/gallery-app-autopilot/ whenever you get a moment? see if you can tell if maybe it's a bug in the test or in the app?14:03
w-floogra_, congrats! :)14:03
plarsgusch: no rush14:03
ogra_thanks :)14:03
loolbarry: ok14:03
loolbarry: I filed a couple of bugs for the things I was seeing on my desktop14:03
ogra_took three days ... and i still cant do it in a sane way we could add to the tree14:03
guschplars: ok14:03
loolbarry: /tmp/system-image and dbus system config basically14:03
w-floogra_, it's probably much better than the pile of hacks I use for the Desire Z :) I guess boot has more than 4mb, and data more than 1gb on your device14:04
ogra_w-flo, no, i guess it was easier with your desire ... samsung uses a very weird bootloader setup14:05
ogra_and in fact my hack completely breaks recovery14:05
guschnerochiaro: for flash you again will need C++, and use http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/qcameraflashcontrol.html#isFlashModeSupported14:05
w-flooh, that's bad :(14:05
xcausxni found the hidden network but it hasnt asked for a my security stuff yet14:05
nerochiarogusch: ok thanks14:05
barrylool: i'll respond to that bug in a minute14:06
rsalvetislangasek: cyphermox is in vac this week14:14
rsalvetislangasek: we're cleaning up ofono still, we added a few test cases last week and had to work fixing a few critical issues14:14
rsalvetithen make it not break desktop and get that pushed to the archive, hopefully this week still14:14
rsalvetislangasek: did you have a bug for the segfault?14:15
didrocksbarry: hey!14:21
barrydidrocks: hiya!14:21
didrocksbarry: nice we figure it out (and thanks to lool to have thought about session vs system dbus)14:21
barrydidrocks: indeed.  it makes sense.  i just have to figure out how to get the tests to pass :/14:22
didrocksbarry: for the record, I agree with lool, I think the Exit() is just a workaround and we should have state reset14:22
didrocksbarry: yeah, good luck on that one :/14:22
didrocksas well, I think we'll need to think cases like:14:22
didrocks- client is dead14:22
didrocks- we restart it14:22
didrocks(or switch to somethine else, it's shut down and we go back)14:22
barrydidrocks: no argument there.  it's just that i'm concerned about instability to make that change in the next few hours ;)14:22
didrocksso we should be able to recover the state14:22
didrocksbarry: I think it will just be workarounded in the demo14:22
didrocksbut as I saw it in a short period answer, that's why I didn't implement the Exit() call14:23
barrydidrocks: agreed.  please do me a favor and file bugs for anything that the ui needs14:23
didrocksbarry: I'll try to make a coherent mind and see how we would need to change the API for that14:23
didrockss/make/get/ even14:24
loolsergiusens: Hey there!  was wondering whether you got the chance to add support for bootstraping the system images (the new read-only ones) for an arbitrary build id?14:24
didrocksbarry: anyway, nothing for now, but let's see shortly next week14:24
barrydidrocks: cool.  if i can get lool's branch to work, then i think we'll be on a much better footing for making the other changes.14:24
slangasekrsalveti: no; I've gotten a core file and I assumed submitting it to daisy would dtrt, but apparently our backtracing story for armhf is still incomplete14:24
didrocksright! :)14:25
didrocksbarry: tests… what… ? :p14:25
barrydidrocks: also, i want to make some changes so that it will be easier to run this on a desktop.  is it possible to run system-settings on a desktop?14:25
barrydidrocks: :)14:25
slangasekrsalveti: would you like me to file a bug and manually attach the crash?14:25
loolbarry: concerning dbus service, I wanted to mention an use case I described to didrocks: a) user goes to settings and starts download an update (sees download progress) b) user goes doing something else for some minutes c) unity garbage collects settings app d) user goes back to settings app to check progress of the update14:25
rsalvetislangasek: yeah, please14:25
loolbarry: I don't think this is currently possible with the dbus API; whenever we iterate on it, we should design the updated one to allow picking up the current OS update status -- hope that makes sense, or perhaps that's already covered?14:26
didrocksbarry: I don't really know about how the internal is working, but yeah, we should strive for that. I know lool get it running, but during the reboot, it crashes14:26
slangasekawe: hey, so I wanted to get your input on bug #120640514:26
ubot5bug 1206405 in network-manager (Ubuntu Saucy) "network-manager using 70%+ CPU on Nexus 4" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120640514:27
* awe is very afraid14:27
awe;)14:27
aweslangasek, one sec...14:27
barrydidrocks: yep, that's part of the "doesn't work on desktops" that i want to fix by adding a normally unused desktop.ini file with more appropriate settings (we probably don't want it issuing actual real reboots ;)14:28
didrocksfor the number of time I clicked on reboot, I appreciate that it doesn't work TBH :p14:28
aweslangasek, that's got to be one of the longest bug descriptions I've ever seen!14:28
barrylool: i think one thing we'll have to consider is whether the dbus daemon persists its state on disk or in memory14:28
barrydidrocks: oh, trust me i know all about that one :)14:28
didrocksheh14:29
loolbarry: it's probably ok if you only persist in memory14:29
loolbarry: with graceful handling of partial updates (like battery died after the user downloaded half of the files)14:29
didrocksyeah, I think the daemon should just have a way to get through dbus the request of where it is in the update process14:29
nathaneltitanehola amigos14:29
lool^ right that's exactly what I had in mind for the settings app to pickup state14:30
barrylool: yes, we have a bug open on restarting partial updates.  some of that should magically happen when i integrate with the download service (at least i hope so)14:30
slangasekawe: sorry ;)14:30
aweno worries14:30
barrylool: and the bug about being able to restart/reset after a .Cancel.  should that do the trick for you, or are you thinking about something else?14:30
rsalvetiawe: wonder if this is related with the android driver somehow14:30
rsalvetislangasek: all you did was walking around connecting with different aps, right?14:31
rsalvetinot using 3g data14:31
awersalveti, yea... there's all kinds of errors re: wifi killswitches not being present14:31
loolbarry: I guess it's ok if it's fast14:31
slangasekrsalveti: yeah - I don't have 3g data here, I have a sim in the device but it's for the wrong country :)14:31
awe/lib/firmware not existing, ...14:31
loolbarry: essentially, the settings app might query state immediately14:31
nathaneltitanei saw a vid posted on youtube yesterday of a canonical dev/project lead running U4A... still no ghost of where a dev build/test app could be for the rest of us?14:31
barrylool: it should be, yes14:32
rsalvetiyeah, then probably android/nexus 4 specific14:32
aweslangasek, was mobile data disabled?14:32
didrocksbarry: we need a query state method14:32
didrocksbarry: let me think about it and go back to you14:32
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barrydidrocks: sounds good14:33
nathaneltitanespecifically it was Vic Palau on there and the vid was published on the 26th14:33
didrocksthanks! :)14:33
aweslangasek, let me give this some thought and I'll see if I can come up with some debug experiments14:33
slangasekawe: as the bug is currently manifesting I'm having a hard time getting the answer to that ;)14:33
aweslangasek, have you tried getting it back into that state?14:33
slangasekit's in that state right now14:33
nathaneltitanelink to YT vid here: http://youtu.be/bk9-v8Sl4yU14:33
nathaneltitaneI WANT!!14:33
aweslangasek, can you try: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1204661/comments/314:34
ubot5Launchpad bug 1204661 in touch-preview-images "Network-indicator shows wrong initial state for mobile data" [Critical,In progress]14:34
slangasekrsalveti: bug #120653714:35
ubot5bug 1206537 in ofono (Ubuntu) "ofonod segfaulting in a loop on n4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120653714:35
slangasekawe: root@ubuntu-phablet:/# dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll string:"org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network co14:35
slangasek... broken.14:35
slangasekrsalveti: so speaking of ofono, is there anything I can do to help with getting this merged into the archive?14:36
ogra_nathaneltitane, that needs a heavily modified android to work14:37
ogra_nathaneltitane, i dont think it is public anywhere yet14:37
rsalvetislangasek: only with code at this point, as we got a few actions to clean that up to avoid breaking the desktop, then we'll generate the patch to get it uploaded14:38
slangasekrsalveti: so ogra_ said there would be distinct desktop and phone binary packages?14:38
aweno14:38
nathaneltitanenathaneltitane sobs quietly14:38
rsalvetislangasek: no, we want it to be the same14:38
slangasekrsalveti: ah, ok14:39
ogra_oh, then i'm not up to date14:39
aweslangasek, the idea would be for the upstart job to detect whether or not RILD was running, then launch ofonod with the correct args14:39
awethe detection would rely on android properties14:39
ogra_slangasek, sorry, i hadnt followed the last developments wrt ofono14:40
* ogra_ didnt mean to cause confusion14:40
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murgeroHey guys!14:40
murgeroHello?14:41
nathaneltitaneogra_: would you know of any dual boot capable bootloader i could use to tinker my way around?14:43
ogra_nope14:43
ogra_i know there is some stuff in the xda forums14:43
ogra_but only for a few devices14:43
ogra_and i personally wouldnt use it, since we might still change the ubuntu images heavily before release and we definitely wont take dual booting into account14:44
nathaneltitaneogra_: :(14:44
popeynathaneltitane: what device?14:44
nathaneltitanethe patience test is underway ...14:44
nathaneltitaneQuincyAtt14:45
nathaneltitanesamsung galaxy note sgh-i71714:45
nathaneltitanerooted and running latest CM 10.1.214:45
DebolazOut of curiosity, on phones with 3G internet connectivity (Or another pay-by-mb connectivity, ie, non-wifi), is the networked search feature enabled in Ubuntu Touch? Ie, the one that gives results from amazon, etc.14:46
nathaneltitanepopey: ^^^^14:46
benkaiserHey guys, I am running Ubuntu Touch on my Galaxy Note. How can I take a screenshot? even from the terminal?. gnome-screenshot doesn't work because it can't open the display (I am assuming this is because Mir is the display server?)14:46
nathaneltitaneogra_: you're going to tell me that simply dumping the OS image into a directory and linking the initr and other critical boot modules isn't enough?14:49
ogra_nathaneltitane, nope14:49
nathaneltitanea linux kernel is a linux kernel after all .. how weird14:49
ogra_especially on samsung devices14:50
nathaneltitaneoh?14:50
* ogra_ just spent 3 days on a galaxy S2 and its massively hard to get working14:50
nerochiarogusch: it looks like when we switch cameras from back to front (screen side) and the flash is in torch mode, it will get stuck in that mode and setting camera.flash.mode = Camera.FlashOff won't actually set the property to false14:50
benkaisernerochiaro, do you know how to take a screenshot on Ubuntu Touch? I am using a Galaxy Note (N7000)14:51
nerochiarobenkaiser: don't know, sorry14:52
nathaneltitaneas in what part ogra_ ?14:52
guschnerochiaro: ok - then I'd guess it's a plugin issue - assign the bug to me14:52
davmor2benkaiser: you can do it via a terminal on a connected machine with popey's code not sure about on the device itself I assume you can.14:52
ogra_nathaneltitane, bootloader14:52
ogra_and the whole partition setup14:53
benkaiserwhat is the code?14:53
nerochiarogusch: ok, i'll add a comment and pass it on14:53
nathaneltitanethe bin itself?14:53
nathaneltitaneoh14:53
benkaiserdavmor2, is that in the ubuntu-touch-manager? or something else?14:53
nathaneltitanebut can't the mapping be taken from previous android work/roms? I mean it doesnt seem to need to be reinvented...14:53
slangasekawe: so after an unavoidable reboot, "cellular data" is disabled according to system settings14:53
davmor2benkaiser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929293/14:54
aweslangasek, unfortunately we can't trust system settings right now, which is why I posed the dbus-send comment14:54
benkaiserahhh I see :) Thanks davmor214:54
awehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/120466114:54
ubot5Launchpad bug 1204661 in touch-preview-images "Network-indicator shows wrong initial state for mobile data" [Critical,In progress]14:54
slangasekawe: well, that one gave me a dbus EPERM anyway :)14:55
ogra_slangasek, as pahblet user ?14:55
slangasekogra_: as root14:55
ogra_or as root14:55
slangasekas root, over adb14:55
awethat's weird14:55
aweit works for me 100% as root over adb14:55
nathaneltitaneexplicit $ sudo adb .....14:56
aweslangasek, I have a critical MR I'm reviewing, and a stand-up in 4min14:56
aweyour bug is next in the queue14:56
ogra_oh !14:56
* ogra_ quickly gets coffee 14:56
ogra_didnt notice the time14:56
slangasekalrighty :)14:56
* awe needs to figure out how to manually debug a .crash file14:57
slangasekawe: apport-unpack && $stuff14:57
aweyea... ;D14:57
slangasekoh, and after reboot dbus-send worked, too14:57
slangasekawe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929303/14:58
ogra_we should just add more reboots to the system by default :)14:58
aweslangasek, you might want to try disabling 3g for now14:58
awemy guess is that the NM code doesn't handle ofono going away very gracefully14:58
aweslangasek, interesting... mobile data is disabled15:01
aweis ofonod still running?15:01
loolbarry: trying latest settings app on device, the settings app times out; I see no system-image-* process running15:04
loolbarry: if I run system-image-dbus manually from adb root shell, I get: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X1115:04
loolbarry: I see this in the traceback:15:05
lool    session_bus = dbus.SessionBus()15:05
slangasekawe: ofonod is crashing in a loop :)15:05
loolbarry: so clearly we need the fix there15:05
popeynathaneltitane: sorry was afk, can I help?15:05
slangasekawe: that was my other bug report15:05
barrylool: that can't be the only line of the traceback15:05
loolbarry: oh no15:06
barrylool: it's also weird that dbus-daemon would be involved if you're starting system-image-dbus explicitly15:06
loolbarry: it's legitimately failing to create a session bus service from adb shell which doesn't know about my session15:06
loolbarry: the point is that it should be on the system bus (mp I sent)15:06
aweslangasek, right... I'm just wondering if 3g is truly disabled, or NM marks it as disabled when ofono disappears15:06
nathaneltitanepopey: i would ideally want to get my hands oon U4A or maybe a working dual-boot supporting bootloader for my device15:06
aweI actually just started looking at the NM code yesterday15:06
popeynathaneltitane: U4A isn't released yet, so that's a non-starter15:07
loolbarry: I think it tries to autolaunch because the code in the image is trying to use a session bus15:07
aweslangasek, I need to check to see if NM actually has code to detect ofono appearing/disappearing on the bus15:07
popeynathaneltitane: as for dual boot, I'd echo ogra_, look on xda, and be careful as we won't cater for it15:07
barrylool: right.  i *just* got the tests working with your branch, so i will do the release dance.  i'm not sure what the lag will be for you to get that on your phone, but i can build a local package for you before i upload15:07
slangasekawe: ok15:07
loolbarry: happy either way; great that you got the tests fixed; will check your fix  :-)15:07
nathaneltitanepopey: i was also arguing the fact that shouldn't one simply be able to dump the ubuntu image onto a dir in the android device and get it chrooted by remapping the initrd and other critical boot modules to the android subsystem?15:08
lools/check/read15:08
davmor2n15:08
nathaneltitanepopey: a linux kernel is a linux kernel15:08
barrylool: cool.  will be a few minutes until i commit, push, release.  stay tuned :)15:08
ogra_nathaneltitane, we dont use android as underlying system anymore ... we use an ubuntu initrd and boot directly into an ubuntu rootfs nowadays15:09
ogra_we only fire up androids HAL inside an lxc container during boot for hardware interaction now15:10
slangaseksergiusens: hi, so I'm not seeing any updates on lp:~phablet-team/phablet-tools/trunk/ for the system-updates build flag - should I be looking somewhere else?15:10
nathaneltitaneogra_: I'm talking on the basis of keeping Android as main15:11
guschplars: I have no idea why the test timed out - it works for me on my device (and there weren't any changes for that part of gallery)15:12
ogra_nathaneltitane, thats over15:12
ogra_for ubuntu touch15:12
plarsgusch: is the timeout window for that autopilot test fairly small or something?15:12
nathaneltitaneogra_: :(15:14
sergiusensslangasek: sorry, will get that MRed soon15:14
slangaseksergiusens: soon == today?15:14
sergiusensslangasek: yes15:15
slangaseksergiusens: ok, thanks15:15
guschplars: timeout is the usual 10s, and closing the view should take 1s15:15
ogra_nathaneltitane, that was always only to get us started, the plan was always to run ubuntu natively15:19
ogra_(and this was communicated pretty cleatrly i think)15:19
ogra_*clearly15:19
nathaneltitanenot really since you keep the dual boot in perspective, hence leaving the choice of keeping android as main. Ubuntu native is one thing (hence Ubuntu-Touch) and android with a full blown os switcher is another15:22
MacSlowdednick, ping15:22
ogra_nathaneltitane, nobody ever promoted dual boot for ubuntu touch15:23
dednickMacSlow: meeting. few minutes15:23
MacSlowdednick, ok15:23
popeyWe will of course re-visit dual-boot for the Edge15:24
nathaneltitanebut doesnt having edge feature such a possibility the implication of it being available?15:24
ogra_nathaneltitane, note ubuntu touch is a general purpose mobile OS ... the edge is a pecific device for which this would have to be made possible during HW bringup15:24
popeyin the future, yes15:24
nathaneltitaneogra_: i'm not arguing, though I find it sad it's not being worked on off the ba with the rest...15:25
nathaneltitanei'M no dev really but i'd love to test and help with the debug15:25
ogra_nathaneltitane, we wont make the goal of releasing at 13.10 if we dont concentrate to get the basics up15:25
nathaneltitaneogra_: agreed15:25
ogra_dual boot very low on the TODO list15:25
ogra_(teh edge would push it up btw, so go and buy one ;) )15:26
Tassadar_really?!15:26
* Tassadar_ buys all of them!15:26
ogra_Tassadar_, ++15:26
ogra_DOIT !!15:27
* ogra_ goes and reloads the campaign page wildly 15:27
Tassadar_well, no, not really, I never even had my own $730 in my life)15:27
Tassadar_but I sent $20, for what that's worth :/15:27
nathaneltitaneogra_: wish I had the money right now, trust me15:28
nathaneltitaneit looks like a monster device15:28
ogra_Tassadar_, just make sure to also subscribe to the contest, you might win one who knows15:28
Tassadar_it's not random, person who gets most money via referals wins15:30
ogra_i could imagine there will come up more contests before the campaign ends15:30
Tassadar_ooh, there's T-shirt perk now15:30
loolbarry: so what was the issue?  I see you removed /tmp/debug.log (good for desktop mode that we dont use /tmp indeed) and a service= call; was it the remaining issue?15:31
ogra_see :)15:31
loolah username15:31
seb128kenvandine, hey there15:31
kenvandineseb128, i played a bit with adding qmltypes at build time in qml-friends15:32
kenvandineand failed15:32
kenvandineprobably needed that LD_PRELOAD :)15:32
seb128kenvandine, I copied the qmake snippet from the ui toolkit15:32
seb128kenvandine, but they don't need the LD hack for some reason15:32
kenvandinecool15:32
seb128maybe due to the structure of the dirs15:32
seb128here the lib and qml bindings are sibling dirs15:32
kenvandineseb128, so LD_LIBRARY_PATH didn't work?  you have to give it the lib to load?15:33
seb128kenvandine, I had issue, do you like the PATH better than PRELOAD?15:34
seb128not sure why PATH didn't work...15:34
seb128the current version works in a pbuilder15:34
kenvandineit's probably fine15:35
kenvandinejust trying to understand it more15:35
kenvandinesince i failed at generating it at build time myself :)15:35
kenvandinebut at the time the toolkit didn't do it either15:35
seb128kenvandine, well, there is not so much documentation on the topic15:36
seb128or my google foo is too weak15:36
kenvandinethere isn't...15:37
barrylool: <policy user="$user"> in dbus-system.conf15:38
barrylool: with $user getting filled in at test-run time with the username running the tests15:38
loolbarry: oh great15:38
barrylool: i think i'm going to work on the couple of other bugs you filed before uploaded 0.9.2.  but let me know if you have some other priority.  i'm expecting to upload a new version after lunch-ish15:39
slangasekbarry: so this particular bug is a blocker for the demo, would be good to have it in the archive ASAP15:40
slangasekI don't know if lool's other bugs are blockers15:40
barryslangasek: probably just LP: #120652315:41
ubot5Launchpad bug 1206523 in Ubuntu system image "Need a system dbus policy for the system dbus service" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120652315:41
barryslangasek: would you like to look over the dbus conf file proposed by lool  in that bug?15:41
slangasekbarry: I don't speak dbus policy very wel15:42
barryslangasek: who does? ;)15:42
slangasekwas that when trying to launch it as a user, or as root?15:42
barry(that's a rhetorical question :)15:42
slangasekand from the commandline, or dbus-based activation?15:42
slangaseklool: ^^ ?15:42
barryslangasek, lool dbus-activation as root15:42
barry(there's a different config file for dbus-activation via user for the test suite but that's different)15:43
barryslangasek: maybe i should go with that for the immediate demo and ask security team to verify15:43
loolbarry: I didn't get the activation to work so far  :-(15:43
loolbarry: I basically looked at other policies to make myself an idea15:44
slangasekbarry: so if I can manually launch it from the commandline beforehand, that's sufficient for the demo15:44
slangasekand I'd like to be able to verify for myself that this works :)15:44
barrylool: dang.  we really need that lxc container test environment :/15:44
slangasek(ASAP, I mean)15:44
loolbarry: it's probably that we don't need a very tight policy anyway; we're likely to block this at the apparmor level too; this is mainly to be clean, especially on the desktop15:44
* lool will deploy the updated python files by hand to see what is still missing15:45
barrylool, slangasek okay.  i'll add basically lool's config file, make sure the packaging works, and upload the whole thing within the next bunch o' minutes15:45
loolbarry: the config file was required on desktop, not sure on touch15:46
slangasekbarry: ok, thanks :)15:46
barrylool: i'll make desktop testing easier after this next release15:46
loolbarry: ah it's needed on touch too15:47
looldbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.41" is not allowed to own the service "com.canonical.SystemImage" due to security policies in the configuration file15:47
barrylool: ack15:47
slangaseklool: that time it's for dbus activation or from the commandline?15:48
loolbarry: ok, just finished testing onthe device15:49
loolbarry: all the bugs were sadly also on the touch case present15:49
loolbarry: what I did was launch system-image-dbus manually as root from adb root shell15:49
loolbarry: this first failed with the session bus thing15:49
loolbarry: the second issue was the missing dbus config, that prevented system-image-dbus from listening too15:50
loolbarry: the third issue was that I had to mkdir /tmp/system-image as root15:50
loolbarry: once I had fixed these 3 things (deploying the updated service.py for the first thing, adding my config for the second), the update UI worked and offered an update (yeah!)15:50
barrylool: wow, cool.  so i have the first one fixed now, second one will be shortly with the new conf file.  third one i need to look at (i see your bug on that)15:51
loolbarry: I also confirmed that dbus activation doesn't work currently, but I have no fix for this15:51
barrylool, slangasek can you get a new package on the device before it goes through the whole official system update machinations?15:52
barrylool: ok15:52
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slangasekbarry: certainly can, but I will also want to turn the crank on the image builder to get a clean image with all the updates in it :)15:53
barryslangasek: definitely.  okay, i'd like to build a local package and have you try it before i upload it.  give me a few minutes15:54
slangasekbarry: ack15:54
slangasekbarry: thanks :)15:54
barryslangasek: no worries!15:54
mhall119Wellark: ping again, still need some HUD documentation for app developers to use16:08
loolbarry: found the activaction thing I think16:08
loolbarry: yeah, confirmed16:09
loolbarry: the service file needs a full path16:09
loollet me send a mp16:09
loolbarry: https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/ubuntu-system-image/fix-dbus-service-file/+merge/17764216:12
barrylool: got it, thanks16:20
mhall119Chocanto: ping16:25
sergiusensstgraber: slangasek I think I'm getting a rw / on todays image, can you confirm?16:27
loolbarry: Shit, I've left     <allow send_destination="*"/>16:33
loolbarry: this is quite wrong; we should back it off afterwards16:33
barrylool: i changed the own to <allow own="com.canonical.SystemImage"/>16:34
barry 16:34
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barrylool: i guess send_destination="com.canonical.SystemImage" then?16:34
barrylool: try this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929615/16:35
janimosforshee, hi, mfisch  tells me this is/was a known issue kernel: [1, init] [ 3259.697387] init: powerd main process (4376) killed by SEGV signal16:36
slangaseksergiusens: "today's image" being the standard image, or stgraber's image?16:37
ogra_slangasek, if he pings stephane i'd guess a system image image :)16:38
loolbarry: ok, latest one seems much nicer16:38
loolbarry: from bzr16:38
barrylool: revno 119?16:39
loolbarry: the one last change I did was this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929626/16:39
loolbarry: yes16:39
slangasekwell, that's the obvious inference, but I want to be sure :-P16:39
sergiusensslangasek: stgraber image16:39
barrylool: okay, let me make that pastebin change and build a new package16:39
loolbarry: the other "own" is required though, despite activation16:39
sergiusenshttp://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5929582/16:39
loolbarry: cool, thanks16:39
barrylool: yep16:39
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loolbarry: I only tested with the settings app though, I would expect the cli app to work just the same16:40
barrylool: cli should be completely unaffected by any of this :)16:40
slangaseksergiusens: does that pastebin relate to the rw problem?16:42
sergiusensslangasek: nope, just what I installed16:42
slangasekok16:42
sforsheejanimo: as long as it only happens early on during boot then it's a result of the sensor stuff not being ready16:43
janimosforshee, it happens in a loop16:43
janimoI have no UI either so there may be unrelated deeper issues16:43
sforsheejanimo: if you can tell me how to reproduce I can look into it16:43
slangaseksergiusens: is there any risk of a previous /userdata/.developer_mode flag on the system that didn't get cleared by the flash?16:43
janimosforshee, not a nexus device, so not easily reproducable16:43
slangaseksergiusens: (still working on reproducing here)16:44
sforsheejanimo: there was an issue like that once before that was because the sensors were never becoming ready16:44
sforsheeit broke apps and powerd16:44
janimosforshee, nothing urgent I just thought it's something know with a quick workaround on every device16:44
janimosforshee, right, my sensors are not ready, so probably vendor blob problems16:44
janimoI/ServiceManager( 1045): Waiting for service sensorservice...16:45
janimoin a loop as well16:45
sergiusensslangasek: hmmm, that's it16:45
slangaseksergiusens: ok16:45
janimosforshee, thanks16:45
sergiusensslangasek: seems clearing /cache and /data from recovery isn't enough16:45
sforsheejanimo: I still don't think powerd should crash, but that seems to be a problem with hte libplatform-api stuff powerd uses16:45
slangaseksergiusens: possibly because it overlooks dotfiles?16:45
slangasek(I don't know, just speculating)16:46
janimosforshee, ack.16:46
sergiusensslangasek: I'm using the exact rm command stgraber gave me, I'll look into it16:46
slangaseksergiusens: ok16:47
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loolbarry: so I could download 3 deltas worth of OS updates, but reboot didn't work; trying again16:52
barrylool: ack16:52
loolcrap, redownloading everything16:53
w-flojanimo, I've noticed that when /data failed to mount on my device, android assumed that it was encrypted and notified the UI to ask for a passphrase (by setting the vold.encrypted prop to 1), which Ubuntu never does. And since /data was never mounted successfully, the "late_start" service class (including sensorservice) was never started16:53
w-flosorry, vold.decrypt..16:54
w-floso if getprop vold.decrypt returns 1 for you, that is probably why it fails to start. but might be totally unrelated :)16:54
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loolbarry: So I confirm it doesn't work; I saw the download completed, then the UI updated to show "Reboot your phone now", at this stage system-image-dbus wasn't running anymore16:58
murgerohey guys!!16:59
loolbarry: I'll try signalling a reboot by hand now16:59
barrylool: please try one more thing: in /etc/system-image/client.ini, change [dbus]lifetime: value to something like 5m16:59
barrylool: it may be timing out17:00
loolbarry: ok, trying that now17:01
loolwith 10mn17:01
barry10m17:01
barry:)17:01
loolright17:01
loolbarry: do you know the rune to trigger a manual reboot?17:02
barryreboot -f recovery17:02
loolbarry: I tried dbus-send --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /com/canonical/SystemImage com.canonical.SystemImage.Reboot17:02
barry(well, that's command line)17:02
loolbarry: Hmm ok, I wanted to try the service while at it17:02
looldidrocks says dbus-send --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /Service com.canonical.SystemImage.Reboot17:03
barrylool: that dbus-send command should do it though...17:03
loolwill try that if the reboot fails17:03
mhall119kenvandine: is the soucecode for plonk on bzr somewqhere?17:05
kenvandinemhall119, i don't think is17:05
kenvandinein git17:05
mhall119where?17:05
kenvandinehttps://github.com/kenvandine/plonk17:05
loolbarry: I'm just towards the end17:05
mhall119thanks17:05
loolbarry: service still running17:05
looljust ended d/l, it's running17:06
lool(validating I guess)17:06
loolbarry: validated, still running17:06
loolbarry: AH!  different failure now17:06
barrywonderful ;)17:06
loolbarry: we're now getting "We are deeply sorry!"  update failed blahblha17:06
didrocksmeaning you sent the fail signal17:07
didrocks"UpdateFailed"17:07
didrocks(exactly)17:07
barrylool: if you run the dbus service from the command line, add a -v to get debugging output on console17:07
loolbarry, didrocks: I tried running the dbus-send afterwards, then again after killing the service, and it didn't work17:08
loolit did trigger autoactivation thouhg17:08
didrockslool: yeah, expected as I guess the service doesn't rebuild its state17:08
barrydidrocks: no, it doesn't persist state currently17:08
barryhang on, i have a new package now17:09
loolbarry: nothing with -v and -v -v when doing the dbus-send commands17:09
barrylool: hmm. that doesn't seem right17:09
didrockslool: you mean, sending the reboot?17:09
didrocksor starting from scratch?17:10
didrocks(you unfortunately have to restart from scratch with download, blablabla…)17:10
looldidrocks: sending the reboot17:10
loolI suspect the dbus rune is wrong17:10
didrocksyeah, as long as the service doesn't persist state, you have to go from round 0, sending reboot only won't work17:10
barrydidrocks, lool, slangasek: http://barry.warsaw.us/system-image-{cli,common,dbus,dev}_0.9.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb17:10
loolbarry: did you upload the current fixes?17:11
barrylool: not uploaded to the archive yet, but those packages have the current bzr head17:11
barrywith all the conf files installed (should be)17:11
loolbarry: can't find the -dbus deb17:12
slangasekbarry: 404x317:12
barrylool, slangasek sorry, my bad, use this url: lool:17:13
barry http://barry.warsaw.us/debian/system-image-dbus_0.9.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb17:13
barrythen *cli *common *dev17:13
barry(well, you probably don't need the dev)17:13
slangasekgot 'em, thanks17:13
loolsame here17:14
barrycool.  i'm going to try on my nexus7 too17:14
loolbarry: usr/sbin/system-image-dbus/system-image-dbus17:14
slangasekhar17:15
loolbarry: it's ok if you leave it in bin/ for now, this is low priority17:15
barrynice17:15
barryokay17:15
slangasekbut in any case, dh_install targets are directory names17:15
barryeasy fix17:15
loolbarry: so I can't force a reboot before the download17:17
loolbarry: tring the download again now17:17
barrylool: yep.  fun.17:18
loolI did see activity with dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /Service com.canonical.SystemImage.CheckForUpdate17:18
loolthen with dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /Service com.canonical.SystemImage.GetUpdate17:18
didrockslool: you should now do a "dbus-monitor --system 2>&1 | tee /tmp/log"17:19
didrocksthen look for readyToReboot signal17:19
didrocksand you should be able to launch the Reboot command after that17:19
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loolbarry: so the reboot dbus-send worked17:21
loolbarry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929767/17:22
barrylool: that looks good to me.  any reason i shouldn't upload this new package then?17:22
slangasekbarry: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/system-image/tmp_9rji2'17:25
slangasek(ignorable for now)17:25
mhall119loving SMS on Ubuntu Touch, it's so easy17:25
barryslangasek: damn.  hang on, lool filed a bug on that.   let me see if it's easily fixable17:25
slangasekbarry: I'm sure it is, but we're also EOD here - I'd like to get the package officially in the archive soonest so I can do an image respin17:26
loolslangasek: mkdir /tmp/system-image to workaround17:26
slangasekyep, worked around already17:26
barryslangasek: okay.  let me upload 0.9.2 then17:26
loolbarry: yeah, that's best17:26
barrylool, slangasek thanks.  it'll be bzr revno 12217:27
slangasekthen the network dropped here and my next test failed due to the web proxy :P17:27
loolso in the above pastbin, between the two _reboot is when I dbus-send17:27
loolyeah17:27
loolnow my device is updated, but I can't adb shell anymore17:27
slangaseksw33t, I have the update screen17:27
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slangasekdidrocks: s/sandwish/sandwich/ ;)17:28
didrocksslangasek: this is the French touch :p17:28
loolit's sandwich in french too17:28
loolor sandwiches17:28
didrockslet's call it an easter egg :p17:28
didrocksI can fix it, not sure it worth an upload ;)17:28
didrocksbut let's see if we can fix first this reboot thing17:29
slangasekdidrocks: I'm assuming the update size is also fixed text17:29
slangasekand that I'm not downloading 55GB :)17:29
barrylool: oh, before i upload, should i change the default dbus timeout?  2m is perhaps too short17:29
loolbarry: yeah, 10m17:30
loolbarry: but this is ok, we cn easily change this17:30
barrylool: np.  quick fix, quick spin17:31
loolso adb shell is broken for me with latest update17:32
looland keyboard17:33
loolhmmmmm17:33
barrylool: i'm pretty sure i didn't break those :)17:33
loolbarry: nah, it's either latest image or switching to rw17:33
loolHmm maybe I corrupted the fs by not remounitng ro17:33
loolanyway, I'm screwed right now; need to bootstrap17:34
slangasekbarry: so if I needed to cheat for the demo because a 32MB download is too much... could I get away with pre-downloading files to /tmp/system-image?  Would it DTRT with that?17:37
barryslangasek: it won't because it always calculates the updates based on the index.json file paths17:39
barry:(17:39
slangasekbarry: and it can't use an already-downloaded file in the directory?17:39
barryslangasek: not currently17:39
slangasekit's fine that it has to recalculate the update... but e.g. if a download fails partway through, it should be able to reuse those contents17:39
barryslangasek: that's part of the changes i have slated for integration w/download service17:40
slangasekack17:40
slangasekbarry: seen this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929811/17:40
barryslangasek: yikes, wtf?!  never seen that before (looks like an incomplete traceback)17:41
slangasekbarry: mm, sorry, probably corrupted because the traceback was spit out to a terminal that had other things running in the foreground :P17:42
slangasekanyway, apparently this was due to a timeout that lool has seen17:42
loolslangasek: /etc/system-image/client.ini, change [dbus]lifetime: value to 10m17:43
barryslangasek: i do think there's still something hinky in the built-in downloader re: threads.  i've seen very occasional failures in that test, which lool also saw earlier.17:43
loolbarry: Yeah, it seems fishy17:43
barrylool: i plan to address all that stuff when i get to the download service :/17:44
loolack17:44
doanacogra_: just noticed that system-images for touch don't include /var/log/installer/media-info. Should I raise a bug somewhere for this or is it known?17:52
ogra_file a bug17:53
sergiusensdoanac: added comments to https://code.launchpad.net/~doanac/phablet-tools/rndis/+merge/177435 ogra_ and I can take care of the _move_ comments I made17:53
ogra_i thought stgraber just uses the tarballs from cdimage as base17:53
didrocksdbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /Service com.canonical.SystemImage.BuildNumber17:54
didrocksdbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /Service com.canonical.SystemImage.GetUpdateVersion17:54
ogra_sergiusens, i'm not a big fan of mangling the pre-start.sh script btw ... once it changes it will break17:57
doanacogra_: i hate that code also. its doing sed within sed17:57
ogra_we should have a pre-start.d dir and source that or so17:57
ogra_so we can just drop snippets in17:57
sergiusensogra_: exactly, was looking into something like that17:58
ogra_(though i doubt that will work anyway with the whole readonly stuff)17:58
sergiusensogra_: I'm adding the udev rule to android-tools now, if you want I can do the android-lxc-config change17:58
ogra_feel free, dont hold back :)17:58
sergiusensogra_: ok, it won't work btw ;-) we'll need to use the /userdata part17:59
jdstrandare the img files produced by the android package mountable?17:59
ogra_well, we could have a rw bindmount in place17:59
jdstrandeg saucy-preinstalled-boot-armel+mako.img17:59
loolbarry: reboot worked from system settings app for slangasek17:59
sergiusensogra_: that too18:00
ogra_jdstrand, i dont think so18:00
loolwhich is good news because results on my device were inconstistent18:00
ogra_jdstrand, iirc you need to run them through simg2img first18:00
ogra_jdstrand, from android-tools-fsutils (or so)18:01
barrylool, slangasek \o/18:01
jdstrandogra_: thanks18:01
barrylool, slangasek btw, how do i switch to r/w mode so i can do local tests on my nexus?18:01
barrylool, slangasek 0.9.2-0ubuntu1 uploaded18:02
slangasekbarry: awesomesauce.  And I see that 0.92-0ubuntu1 is uploaded; so I'll be sure to pull that into a build tonight18:05
slangasekbarry: r/w: touch /userdata/.developer_mode18:05
lool+ reboot18:06
barrythanks!18:06
barrylool, slangasek i'm going to get some lunch now.  good luck!  i'll try to get online early tomorrow my morning to see if there are any last minute issues18:15
AskUbuntuUbuntu Edge, will there ever be a consumer version? | http://askubuntu.com/q/32661918:21
keithzgOh, yay, the latest campaign update for Edge had an answer "What networks are supported?"! Oh, yay, it completely doesn't answer the question for me!18:25
keithzgSeriously, how hard is it to either way which 3G frequencies are supported, or at least to come out and admit (if this is the case) that it hasn't been settled which frequencies are supported.18:25
keithzgs/way/say18:26
keithzgI mean, I'm assuming they have no idea which 3G frequencies will be supported since ostensibly the question of x86 or ARM hasn't even been decided, so chipset selection is up in the air. But that's just me using deductive reasoning. It's quite infuriating that nobody will just come out and say it.18:28
w-flokeithzg, I'm not sure if it supports 3G at all18:34
w-flosorry, seems I've misread that page. forget what I said :)18:37
keithzgHeh, yeah, it definitely supports 3G. But....18:38
keithzg"What networks are supported?18:38
keithzgThe Ubuntu Edge is an unlocked device that works in all countries with GSM/3G/LTE network services. For GSM, which covers a lot of countries but not all operators, the Edge will support the 850, 900, 1800, 1900 and 2100 MHz frequencies. You can check support in your country here.18:38
keithzgThe Edge will support LTE standard frequencies and multi-band support for roaming. Yes, you can use the Edge on Verizon and Sprint."18:38
keithzg...judiciously, it avoids any mention of anything that would even give the slightest clue to which frequencies it supports 3G on :P18:39
keithzgLuckily, the page notes "If you are not happy with the product, you may return it within 28 days of receiving it for a full refund." So if the campaign actually gets funded and I get mine, when it inevitably doesn't even support my cell carrier I can just return it I guess, heh.18:43
* keithzg is a cynic18:43
w-flokeithzg, I think that's a decent way to handle the situation :D18:44
doanacsergiusens: when deploying the new system images, phablet-flash calls wipe. However,that doesn't deal with the "developer mode" file. Should it delete that file as well?18:50
doanacor should I just remove that file when needed in our lab automation logic18:50
sergiusensdoanac: yes it should, we had that conv with steve an hour ago :-) Should be solved with https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/revision-ub/+merge/17765618:51
sergiusensdoanac: feel free to review that too :-)18:51
doanacsergiusens: will take a look. sorry to bug you on it again18:51
awekeithzg, who said "Yes, you can use the Edge on Verizon and Sprint?"18:53
mfischsergiusens: have you built recovery and then installed it before? I'm stuck with a file called "recovery", but it's not in the right format apparently?18:53
keithzgawe: It was in the latest official campaign update email18:53
awekeithzg, ok18:54
sergiusensdoanac: no worries!18:54
glasenHi there. Just one question: The last time i've tested Ubuntu Touch on my Galaxy Nexus, i couldn't make any phone calls because the OS didn't ask for the PIN of my SIM-card. Is "bug" closed in recent images or do i have to remove PIN-protection before i can use Ubuntu Touch?18:54
doanacsergiusens: i've been using /userdata/developer_mode. is there a real difference?18:54
sergiusensmfisch: did you build it?18:54
aweglasen, there's no support in the GUI for entering a PIN yet, although it's being worked on18:54
sergiusensawe: apparently verizon is moving to LTE next year18:54
mfischsergiusens: "make recovery", but it left me with an executable called recovery, not an img file18:54
aweglasen, that said it is possible to use a locked SIM using the ofono command-line scripts for now18:55
glasen@awe: Thanks for the quick answer.18:55
aweglasen, you only need enter the PIN @ boot time18:55
sergiusensdoanac: from the MR? in recovery it's mounted as /data/18:55
awecheck out the mailing list for an email from me with the subject "Preliminary SIM PIN Support"18:55
sergiusensdoanac: which is where we delete it18:55
keithzgserguisens: Verizon already has tons of LTE coverage. In fact, the latest Nexus 7 model only supports Verizon's LTE network on 700, nothing else. Of course, my own carrier is 3G AWS only ( in Canada) and who the hell knows if the Edge will support that :P18:56
sergiusensmfisch: oh, I think the make targets for the .img are full paths18:56
sergiusensmfisch: something like make $OUT/recovery.img18:56
doanacsergiusens: ah - now i see. +118:56
sergiusensmfisch: let me take a look18:56
keithzgserguisens: Err, to clarify, for the new Neuxus 7 I mean that for Verizon it only supports their LTE network on 700, not any other frequencies or methods.18:57
guillermogreetings.19:03
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Guest23634so we arent able to access adb root on production devices?19:04
mfischsergiusens: there's a target called recoveryimage19:07
mfischbut I'm missing a file needed to build it I think19:07
janimow-flo, thanks. In my case /data is mounted though.  I have no UI yet. I'll look into it some more tomorrow19:33
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Joe_BWhat's the current status of the docked experience for the Nexus 4?  Is there a youtube demo?20:30
joebhi all20:30
joebhow is the progress for the ubuntu-touch for a galaxies s320:30
popeysergiusens: (sorry for the delay) with the new image based update are you expecting there to be no swap?20:35
popeyKiB Mem:   1916236 total,   809496 used,  1106740 free,     8476 buffers20:35
popeyKiB Swap:        0 total,        0 used,        0 free,   538852 cached20:35
sergiusenspopey: so that's more a question for stgraber :-)20:36
popeyalso.. sensorservice still ends up spinng20:36
popey  628 system    20   0  8056 1612 1252 S  98.4  0.1   1:40.77 sensorservice20:36
popey(unrelated of course)20:36
popeysergiusens: we also seem to have lost /var/log/installer/media-info ?20:39
popeyi.e. how can I know what version of image I have?20:39
sergiusenspopey: yup, doanac I think raised a bug for that too20:43
sergiusenspopey: but that's also part of the image itself :-)20:43
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slangaseksergiusens: hey, so is lp:~sergiusens/phablet-tools/flash_change the branch I should be watching for system-image support? :)20:55
sergiusensslangasek: no, just watch https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/revision-ub/+merge/17765620:56
sergiusensspeaking of which20:56
slangaseksergiusens: ok!20:56
sergiusensis there anyone from the daily release team around?20:56
slangasekis that didrocks, or some other "daily release" team?20:57
nexwave-matquick question, if I build ubuntu touch for a device with latest sync/tools is it going to be a new container build (IE: Ubuntu boot, then android)?20:57
sergiusensslangasek: yeah someone in his team20:58
sergiusensslangasek: I can't trigger releases20:58
popeysergiusens: i just did --revision 0, and my mako is sat at the google logo, has been for some minutes now20:58
slangaseknexwave-mat: I haven't done it, but TTBOMK when you port you're only building the per-device image; so by inference, if the current tools work at all, yes they're building for the current container approach :)20:59
sergiusenspopey: hmmm... go back to recovery and check /cache/recovery/last_log20:59
slangaseksergiusens: yeah, didrocks should be here shortly20:59
sergiusensslangasek: can you tell him to daily release phablet-tools please if you see him?21:00
slangaseksergiusens: certainly21:00
popeysergiusens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5930471/21:00
sergiusenspopey: as far as I can say the correct image was at least flashed21:00
* popey reboots21:01
slangaseksergiusens: message relayed21:02
sergiusensthanks21:02
w-flonexwave-mat, the android_build repo has some code that downloads and uses an ubuntu initramfs that will boot ubuntu instead of android.. so probably yes.21:02
joebanyone ?21:04
joebcan i put ubuntu touch on my sgs3 ?21:04
w-flojoeb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices21:05
joebyes21:05
joebmine isn't orange like the others21:05
joebits solid black21:05
joebis that good ?21:05
w-flooh, the SGS3 maintainer just forgot the wikipedia link I guess21:06
w-floclick the "i9300" link next to it21:06
joebits a d2vw21:06
joebits verizon21:06
joebVZ SGSIII d2vzw21:06
joebthat one21:06
w-flooh. not sure then, if it is exactly the same hardware as SGS3 it should work..21:06
slangasekthe carrier-branded ones are not always the same hardware21:10
slangasekand as you can sometimes brick them in the process, you really ought to get confirmation that the model uses the same build21:10
Joe_Bjoeb, even if the flash does work cdma is a work in progress, so you won't be able to use it as a phone at the moment.21:12
joebcoo21:17
joebthats all i wanted to know21:17
joebhow are gsm phones21:17
joebdo they fully work ?21:17
Joe_BThe officially supported devices are the nexus devices.  You can find info about what works and what does not for different phones here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices21:20
sergiusenspopey: is it back?21:24
slangaseksergiusens: phablet-tools published to -proposed21:33
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