[02:21] <savedjuli> hi
[03:03] <bzoltan> mhall119:  No, there is no. We are working on it right now.
[03:45] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Edge; Ubuntu Touch? | http://askubuntu.com/q/326326
[03:56] <savedjuli> hmmm... it doesn't look good... unluckily, I think they're not gonna make it...
[05:14] <murgero> Anyone awake?
[05:49] <debarko> murgero, am awake!
[05:50] <debarko> installing ubuntu os on my nexus 4
[05:50] <debarko> :)
[05:50] <murgero> Nice, could I ask for help
[05:50] <debarko> it's a free world and a free channel on freenode
[05:50] <debarko> shoot !!! :)
[05:50] <debarko> though i dont know how much i can help
[05:50] <debarko> :P
[05:50] <murgero> I need help setting up my environment.
[05:50] <debarko> okies
[05:51] <murgero> have you compiled it yourself?
[05:51] <debarko> no am getting it from canonical itself
[05:51] <debarko> they have pre compiled for nexus 4
[05:51] <murgero> Ah nevermind then
[05:51] <murgero> :/
[05:51] <debarko> what phone do you have?
[05:51] <murgero> D2USC (Samsung Galaxy S3 for US Cellular)
[05:51] <murgero> I am trying to port it over but I am having trouble
[05:52] <debarko> okay
[05:52] <debarko> good luck
[05:52] <murgero> I follow the tutorial from Conical themselfs to the letter and I cannot get it right, cannot even compile it :(
[05:53] <debarko> maybe you are missing some libraries!!
[05:53] <debarko> what is the error you are getting
[05:53] <debarko> ??
[05:53] <murgero> Maybe, I keep getting VARIANT_DEFCONFIG Error as well as MAKE Error 1 2 and 3 and some others.
[05:57] <debarko> maybe it is some defined value
[05:57] <debarko> you need to change it
[05:57] <murgero> I figured.
[05:58] <murgero> I tried everything I can think of.
[05:58] <debarko> aww :(
[05:58] <debarko> bad luck
[05:58] <murgero> it is always the same error too, But Once I have tried changing some values in the local_manifest.xml and it got past that point, but errors out about unreachable server.
[05:58] <murgero> GAH
[05:59] <debarko> hmm
[06:07] <murgero> well anyway how are you?
[06:07] <debarko> am fine!!
[06:08] <murgero> good
[06:08] <debarko> what do you do?
[06:16] <debarko> any body from canonical present here?
[06:16] <debarko> @all
[06:19] <boost> hi
[06:20] <debarko> hi boost
[06:25] <duflu> Hi all, is this logged in the right project?.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/phablet-tools/+bug/1206369
[06:25] <boost> how to install ubuntu touch on optimus L9 (P760)
[06:25] <boost> ??
[06:27] <boost>  i tried but not working.. any body provide me some guidelines to install??
[06:31] <duflu> boost: It's not officially supported. But someone has documented this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/P760
[06:31] <boost> ok
[06:32] <duflu> boost: Looks too broken right now
[06:33] <boost> when i can expect the working condition
[06:33] <boost> ??
[07:32] <debarko> ubuntu touch works smooth as silk on nexus 4
[07:32] <debarko> at times a bit jittery
[07:32] <debarko> but still doing just fine!!
[07:32] <debarko> more than that expected
[07:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:58] <mardy> seb128: hi! That "Call" button in the specs is weird :-)
[07:59] <seb128> mardy, hey, yeah, that section needs work and it seems it might be dropped from the v1 anyway
[07:59] <seb128> mardy, let's just merge that small bit in and revisit later when design do some more work on it
[08:00] <mardy> seb128: yep, it's not clear to me at all who this function would be calling :-)
[08:00] <mardy> seb128: sure
[08:04] <seb128> mardy, well, the services should be coming from the sim
[08:04] <seb128> mardy, Ken got me an ofono dump the other day, it has a "ServiceNumbers = [411 & More] = '411' [Voice Mail] = '+18056377243' [Customer Care] = '611'" for him
[08:05] <seb128> mardy, so the idea is that e.g your can call your voice mail through that
[08:06] <debarko> what is the root password for ssh ing to the device
[08:06] <mardy> seb128: OK. The image got me wondering, because generally the credit information is available by sending an SMS, not calling
[08:06] <debarko> i can ssh as phablet but i need to ssh as root
[08:07] <popey> debarko: we dont have a root password
[08:07] <mardy> debarko: not sure if that's allowed; you should be able to run "sudo -i"
[08:07] <seb128> mardy, I think mpt's made the mockup list a bit in a random way, the services listed there might be slighly different from the real ones we will get
[08:07] <popey> !rootsudo | debarko
[08:07] <debarko> i am trying to use the file explorer to copy paste stuff into the /data folder which i had
[08:07] <debarko> some data on
[08:08] <debarko> i need to connect to the device as root to read the files
[08:08] <debarko> other wise if i use terminal and do a sudo su then it will take ages for me to get all the files
[08:08] <debarko> or as well sudo -i
[08:09] <debarko> popey, i need to login as root from file explorer in ubuntu 12.04 lts in desktop so that i can copy my data files which were stored by android and which are in the root folders such as /data
[08:10] <debarko> is there anything that can help me out in this situation
[08:10] <popey> debarko: you could scp or rsync them off
[08:10] <debarko> scp good
[08:10] <debarko> :)
[08:10] <debarko> lets c
[08:10] <popey> adb root
[08:10] <popey> adb shell
[08:10] <popey> cd /data
[08:10] <popey> scp -r * user@host:~/path
[08:10] <didrocks> sil2100: can you update bfiller on the status for apps?
[08:11] <debarko> thnx popey
[08:11] <didrocks> bfiller: context is:
[08:11] <didrocks> sil2100 | didrocks: the apps stack has some problems, so I will probably have to fill in a bug and get it fixed before
[08:11] <didrocks>         | it can get released today ;/
[08:11] <sil2100> didrocks: yes, in a moment, I'm filling the bug
[08:12] <bfiller> didrocks, sil2100 let me know what the issue is and if you need help
[08:12] <debarko> popey, android 4.2 used to store all app data in extended/0/sdcard or something similar... when installing ubuntu phone os does all those get deleted?
[08:12] <sil2100> bfiller: but as a quick summary: it seems that one webbrowser package wants to overwrite an existing file installed by another webbrowser package, so I'll have to poke oSoMoN about that as well
[08:12] <debarko> am using nexus 4 so there are no external sd card just a emulated one, popey
[08:13] <popey> debarko: when you flash ubuntu, all android data is wiped
[08:13] <debarko> wow! am screwed! :(
[08:13] <mardy> Laney: oh, something is moving: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#change,58979 :-)
[08:13] <popey> debarko: oops
[08:14] <Laney> mardy: wowzer, didn't know about this
[08:14] <bfiller> oSoMoN: wonder if that can be related to the crash
[08:14] <mardy> Laney: I just saw it in the Qt ML today
[08:14] <Laney> is the API decent?
[08:15] <mardy> Laney: still looking at it. Anyway, it's for Qt 5.2
[08:15]  * Laney nods
[08:16] <oSoMoN> bfiller: I don’t think so
[08:16] <oSoMoN> sil2100: yeah, I noticed this conflict this morning, was starting to work on it, we’ll need to update debian/control with some conflicts/replaces I guess, although I’m not an expert in this field
[08:17] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I filled a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/webbrowser-app/+bug/1206407 <- I can try helping if needed
[08:20] <oSoMoN> sil2100: thanks, I’m on it, I’ll ping you if I need help
[08:21] <sil2100> oSoMoN: awesome - on first glimpse it looks like it's just that the same file is installed by two packages at once
[08:23] <didrocks> bfiller: I think the crash was with yesterday's version
[08:23] <didrocks> bfiller: today's issue is something that is blocking from being on today's image
[08:24] <bfiller> didrocks: ack
[08:24] <nerochiaro> gusch: oSoMoN: super simple review: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-assets-copyright/+merge/177525
[08:25] <gusch> nerochiaro: ok
[08:26] <gusch> nerochiaro: approved
[08:38] <m-b-o> hi. I've flashed an image from friday and  "/" is now world and group writable
[08:38] <m-b-o> this is known, I guess?
[08:46] <nerochiaro> gusch: thanks
[08:48] <oSoMoN> sil2100: can you please review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/package-deps-conflict/+merge/177532 ?
[08:53] <Guest42887> Good morning all, happy Paperback Book day! :-D
[09:12] <sil2100> oSoMoN: thanks! Will do!
[09:15] <nerochiaro> gusch: do you know where i can get the libusermetricsinput that seems to be a dep of camera-app ?
[09:16] <gusch> nerochiaro: you need saucy for that (that's why I had to upgrade)
[09:17] <nerochiaro> gusch: uff, can't do that right now, i guess i'll test stuff on the device
[09:17] <nerochiaro> gusch: updating to saucy will take too much time
[09:17] <gusch> nerochiaro: yep - better to test it there then
[09:19] <slangasek> is ofono known to be segfaulty right now?
[09:21] <ogra_> slangasek, not to my knowledge
[09:21] <slangasek> ok
[09:21] <ogra_> YAY !!!!
[09:21] <slangasek> so it's really segfaulty here ;)
[09:21] <ogra_> 3 days and i finally got flipped working on my galaxy S2
[09:22] <ogra_> hmm, container doesnt come up
[09:23] <JamesTait> I'm willing to bet this is an FAQ, but does the fact that current in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch/daily-preinstalled/ is still pointing to the 20130726.1 images mean that the later ones have failed testing, or just that they haven't been tested?
[09:24] <ogra_> JamesTait, it means they didnt succeed 100%
[09:24] <ogra_> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/
[09:24] <JamesTait> ogra_, you preempted my next question, thanks. :)
[09:24] <ogra_> we released 20130726.1 because it was the first one to be green
[09:24] <ogra_> the next release will only happen after 100% coverage
[09:25] <popey> bah
[09:25] <ogra_> drop the devices
[09:25] <ogra_> we have them in the bot
[09:25] <popey> yay, QA link now there
[09:26] <ogra_> thanks !
[09:29] <popey> ogra_: can you think of some way I can do phablet-network-setup without requiring sudo ?
[09:29] <popey> trying to automate it so my phone gets flashed, network setup then autopilot, but don't want to have to have it pause for my password
[09:29] <popey> guess I could keep a copy of my wifi config in my home and adb push that
[09:29] <ogra_> popey, not really, you could add a sudoers.d snippet for this though
[09:30] <popey> true
[09:30] <popey> thats probably easiest
[09:31] <ogra_> root@ubuntu-phablet:/# ls /var/
[09:31] <ogra_> log  run
[09:31] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: do you remember when design sends asset guidelines like this one: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/143012193/camera_final_font.jpg is each square 1 gu or 0.5 gu ?
[09:31]  * ogra_ scratches head
[09:32] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: 1gu, and if you need confirmation, ask jounih
[09:33] <popey> success
[09:33] <popey> alan@deep-thought:/etc/sudoers.d$ cat phab.conf
[09:33] <popey> alan  ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/phablet-network-setup
[09:34] <ogra_> yeah
[09:34] <slangasek> hrm.  and ofono is still coming from the ppa?
[09:34] <slangasek> I thought that was already resolved
[09:34] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: perfect. just needed a quick yes/no. thanks
[09:37] <ogra_> slangasek, rsalveti and awe work on it
[09:38] <slangasek> ogra_: <nod>
[09:38] <ogra_> its a bit of a challenge since they want to use the same upstream tarball but have a byr maintained tree on top ... and integrate all this with the std package in the archive so that this stays untouched
[09:39] <ogra_> *bzr
[09:39] <slangasek> "untouched"?
[09:39] <ogra_> well, we will have an ofono-touch binary
[09:39] <ogra_> ofono needs plugins compiled in at runtime
[09:40] <ogra_> and there are contradicting plugins and also patches we dont want in the noirmal distro package afaik
[09:42] <slangasek> ogra_: ah, ok
[09:43] <slangasek> man, the ofonod pre-start script is beautiful
[09:43] <slangasek> it ensures that no matter how many times ofonod crashes, it never gives up
[09:44] <ogra_> connectivity ftw :)
[09:44] <ogra_> (if it connects)
[09:44] <nerochiaro> gusch: can you successfully run the autopilot tests on the device for camera-app ?
[09:45] <gusch> nerochiaro: did not try to do that I have to admit
[09:49] <nerochiaro> gusch: they seem to fail here, a few of them
[09:50] <gusch> nerochiaro: I'm flashing - then I will check if I can run them
[09:50] <nerochiaro> gusch: let me flash too, might be the problem
[09:52] <Laney> In system-settings I have to do something "if no carrier is selected" - does that correspond to unregistered (and denied?) in https://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/ofono/ofono.git/tree/doc/network-api.txt as accessed from ofono-qt?
[09:53] <seb128> Laney, we have code getting the carrier name through qtsystems there already, can't you just check if there is a name returned/set?
[09:54] <Laney> seb128: I think that would be true if you just have no signal too
[09:54] <Laney> or if you're in flight mode etc
[09:54] <Laney> (in those cases I have to display something else!)
[09:54] <Laney> If no carrier is selected, this should be followed by a “Carrier Settings…” (TBD) button. Otherwise (if a carrier is selected but is not transmitting data), it should be followed by a “Cellular Data Settings…” button.
[09:55] <Laney> how /do/ I detect if a carrier is not transmitting data?
[09:58] <seb128> Laney, you probably need awe or rsalveti for those questions ... or use the mailing list as you just did for the datetime question
[09:58] <Laney> yeah
[10:01] <Laney> done that
[10:03] <rickspencer3> bzoltan, did you see Laney's questions on the mailing list?
[10:06] <gusch> nerochiaro: for me only camera_app.tests.test_focus.TestFocus.test_move_focus_ring fails, but that should be fixed in trunk (qtubuntu-camera)
[10:06] <Moscherkobold> hello everyone, is this the right channel to ask question about the ubuntu edge project?
[10:07] <rickspencer3> Moscherkobold, ask away
[10:09] <Moscherkobold> i was wondering if the project suceeds and I get a phone if a docking station is included
[10:09] <popey> Moscherkobold: we haven't specced out a docking station, no
[10:10] <Moscherkobold> but i will need something like this to use this cool pc&phone in one device feature, right?
[10:11] <popey> Moscherkobold: a simple slimport adapter should work fine, but more details will come forward on that later
[10:11] <Moscherkobold> so you will update the techspec before the founding time is over?
[10:12] <popey> Moscherkobold: no, i expect more details about that later in the development, after the funding time is over
[10:13] <popey> Moscherkobold: the current development handset used by most developers is the nexus 4, and a simple slimport adapter is used to connect to a display
[10:14] <Moscherkobold> maybe a stupid question but keyboard, mouse etc are working, too?
[10:15] <ogra_> they will
[10:15] <popey> Moscherkobold: see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk9-v8Sl4yU  for a demo
[10:15] <ogra_> note that the plan is that the people who paid will be able to help selecting the missing HW specs
[10:16] <ogra_> (at least thats how i understood mark)
[10:16] <ogra_> after all it is their device, canonical only gives a basic frame of features
[10:16] <Moscherkobold> popey: thank you, but he is doing all the input with the phone, can i also do the input with keyboard etc if the phone is connected?
[10:17] <ogra_> Moscherkobold, it will be able to charge at the same time you use UB devices
[10:17] <ogra_> *USB
[10:17] <ogra_> (assuming thats what you meant)
[10:18] <nerochiaro> gusch: what do you mean when you say qtubuntu-camera ?
[10:19] <popey> Moscherkobold: he uses a bluetooth keyboard
[10:19] <nerochiaro> gusch: also do you know who's the designer responsible for camera-app UI design these days ?
[10:19] <w-flo> Moscherkobold, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtNhlVn3ETQ&feature=player_detailpage you can see her use a mouse in that vid. (IIRC, somehow the vid doesn't work for me right now)
[10:20] <gusch> nerochiaro: qtubuntu-camera is the qt plugin I work on
[10:20] <Moscherkobold> popey: so if I connect the phone to a screen I will the phone OS on a big screen and can do all inputs with the phone or bluetooth devices?
[10:20] <nerochiaro> gusch: but the fixed version is not in the main image yet
[10:20] <nerochiaro> ?
[10:21] <sil2100> oSoMoN: hi!
[10:21] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I'm reviewing that branch you made, and I have some questions
[10:21] <Moscherkobold> popey: right? can I somehow use my standart pc stuff at home, usb keyboard and mouse?
[10:21] <gusch> nerochiaro: I'd guess the designer is rachelliu
[10:21] <ogra_> Moscherkobold, the phone apps can run in the sidestage of the desktop ... if you connect it it will in parallel bring up the desktop UI on the big screen
[10:21] <ogra_> the phone OS will keep on running as you are used to
[10:21] <nerochiaro> gusch: ok. as for the tests, for me two tests fail on device after a clean flash: camera_app.tests.test_focus.TestFocus.test_move_focus_ring and camera_app.tests.test_focus.TestFocus.test_focus_invalid
[10:21] <gusch> nerochiaro: no - releaseing is slow these days
[10:22] <oSoMoN> sil2100: yes?
[10:22] <sil2100> oSoMoN: first, since I see that essentially webbrowser-app-assets changed into qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-extras-browser-plugin-assets
[10:23] <oSoMoN> sil2100: nope
[10:23] <sil2100> oSoMoN: if that's it, why are some asset files installed by webbrowser-app instead of qtdeclarative5-ubuntu-ui-extras-browser-plugin-assets?
[10:23] <sil2100> Ah
[10:23] <sil2100> So it's not just a renaming?
[10:23] <oSoMoN> sil2100: it wasn’t just a package renaming, the packages have been re-organized
[10:24] <gusch> nerochiaro: weired - both after a clean flash, and on the same device (maguro)
[10:24] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ok, so essentially webbrowser-app-assets got removed completely and the default assets are now installed by webbrowser-app itself?
[10:24] <gusch> nerochiaro: I'd say we should ask omar
[10:24] <oSoMoN> sil2100: as I commented in the bug, the files that previously were installed by webbrowser-app-assets are now installed by webbrowser-app
[10:24] <nerochiaro> gusch: yes
[10:24] <oSoMoN> sil2100: yes, exactly
[10:25] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ok, so now basically webbrowser-app is the replacement, ok ;)
[10:25] <Moscherkobold> ogra_: so this is more or less just connection a screen, not like a notebook docking station
[10:26] <nerochiaro> gusch: i'm running the test a few times in a row and sometimes it does fail and sometimes not. so yeah, definitely something that we need to work on with omer. in the meantime i'm gong to submit my MR anyway, as it doesn't make any other tests fail
[10:26] <ogra_> if someone builds such a docking station i assume it would be adaptable too (but i guess in that case you would want the whole phone OS in the sidestage sinc the phone display might be mechanically inaccessible)
[10:26] <Moscherkobold> ogra_: my target was to have a dock at home, with a screen, mouse, keyboard, headset and so on and if i arrive at home i connect the phone and proceed working
[10:27] <Moscherkobold> maybe i have 2 docking stations 1 at home and 1 at work
[10:27] <ogra_> that will definitely be possible
[10:27] <ogra_> (though the dosk itself would have to come from a third party for now ... i assume if the funding happens you will see a bunch of additional projects around the edge
[10:27] <ogra_> )
[10:28] <ogra_> *the dock
[10:28] <Moscherkobold> ok great, but in generell the phone is able to work like this
[10:28] <ogra_> yeah, thats the target of convergence
[10:29] <bzoltan> rickspencer3: Yes, I am reading it now
[10:29] <Moscherkobold> ogra_: popey: thank you for your time
[10:30] <popey> np
[10:30] <ogra_> np :)
[10:31] <gusch> nerochiaro: you could try flashing the latest stuff (phablet-flash --pending) - that should include the qtubuntu-camera fix
[10:33] <nerochiaro> gusch: i'll give it a shot later, but I think in this case it's not really important
[10:33] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: gusch: https://code.launchpad.net/~amanzi-team/camera-app/camera-app-time-centered/+merge/177558
[10:33] <gusch> nerochiaro: ok - on it
[10:35] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: "count.paintedWidth + 22 * 2" : where does this value of 22 come from?
[10:36] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it's always been magicked in there i guess
[10:36] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: but it’s there for margins or something similar, right?
[10:37] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: yes
[10:37] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: it probably needs to be refactored in fractions of a gu
[10:37] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: yup
[10:38] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: and since you did some "while I was at it" refactoring already that touches that code, how about you convert to GUs now?
[10:38] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: or better yet, figure out how to remove the magic value altogether
[10:39] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: yes, but it's not related to this MR and bug. can we file another one and take care of that later ?
[10:39] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: the rest of the refactoring was fairly simple, converting to gus i'm not sure
[10:39] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: is the other bit of refactoring related to this bug?
[10:42] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: no, but it was easy and so i did it anyway. i can remove it if you want.
[10:42] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: i'm just trying to hammer out these bugs without losing extra time
[10:43] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: fair enough
[10:43] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: so please file another bug for the magic values
[10:43] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: ok
[10:43] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: I’ll review your MR after lunch, got a couple of urgent things on my plate before that
[10:44] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: maybe gusch will take it before then
[10:44] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: but thanks
[10:46] <nerochiaro> oSoMoN: report for the pixel value for margins: https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1206455
[10:46] <oSoMoN> nerochiaro: thanks, confirmed
[10:50] <nerochiaro> ivanka_: Ivanka: hello, do you know who is currently responsible (and not on holidays) for design advice on camera-app ? I would like some design input on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1204136
[10:52] <gusch> nerochiaro: in landscape it's v-centered on the left - that's looks weired to me
[10:53] <nerochiaro> gusch: there was no design instructions on where it should go on landscape
[10:56] <gusch> nerochiaro: hmmm - I would have assumed again h-centered on the top
[10:57] <nerochiaro> gusch: i can do that if you think it will be better
[10:59] <sam__> hai everyone,can i try ubuntu touch in my pc
[11:00] <Ivanka> nerochiaro: maybe ask katie_ ?
[11:01] <katie_> Ivanka, you can never escape!!
[11:01] <katie_> nerochiaro, i'm here
[11:01] <katie_> nerochiaro, what's the question?
[11:02] <nerochiaro> katie_: hi. it's in the bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/camera-app/+bug/1204136 (last comment)
[11:02] <katie_> nerochiaro, just looking now...
[11:02] <nerochiaro> katie_: thanks
[11:04] <Ivanka> katie_: :-)
[11:06] <gusch> nerochiaro: well - I'd go for top h-centered all the time, but better ask katie_ ;)
[11:08] <katie_> nerochiaro, the same thing will happen if there is no flash
[11:09] <nerochiaro> katie_: i guess so, but what is that should happen ?
[11:09] <katie_> nerochiaro, so I think that for now we should show buttons which aren't available in a disabled state
[11:09] <katie_> nerochiaro, i don't think we've defined a disabled state
[11:10] <katie_> nerochiaro, so use a 50% grey
[11:10] <katie_> for now
[11:11] <nerochiaro> katie_: i'm not sure how to do that without new assets. i can do 50% opacity but i'm not sure i can change the color of the icons
[11:15] <murgero> Hey guys!
[11:15] <murgero> Can someone respond really quick, just say anything?
[11:15] <Chlover> hey
[11:15] <murgero> whats up?
[11:15] <Chlover> Not much, how about you?
[11:16] <murgero> I am actually making a quick IRC client that is gonna be cross compilable between ARM and X86 Processors. :)
[11:16] <Chlover> Thats cool! Cross compatibility is the future! =P
[11:17] <murgero> Haha yeah!
[11:17] <murgero> Right now it can connect to the IRC server, the users selected channel with a user selected user name.
[11:17] <murgero> The problem I am facing is the user cannot run IRC commands properly.
[11:17] <murgero> But thanks for the quick response!
[11:19] <Chlover> You're welcome! ^^ Good look with the IRC client! ^^
[11:22] <seb128> Laney, mardy: what's the magic that makes "plugin" to be defined in ItemPage.qml? (I'm trying to access "pluginManager" from there but without luck)
[11:22] <davmor2> popey: I've found a way to confirm you are on 3g over wifi, just go to ubuntu.com and look at phone image ee compress the image so the phone image doesn't look very nice on wifi it looks lovely again :)
[11:23] <popey> depends on your provider
[11:23] <popey> not all will compress images
[11:23] <popey> davmor2: you could just open a terminal and run nm-tool ☻
[11:23] <popey> or mtr 8.8.8.8
[11:25] <Laney> seb128: when it's pushed in MainWindow.qml we set { plugin: plugin }
[11:25] <davmor2> popey: I know, personally I just type what's my ip into the search box and google tells me :)
[11:25] <seb128> Laney, oh, do, thanks
[11:26] <Laney> seb128: It might be clever to add pluginManager as a proeprty of the PageStack so that plugins can access it
[11:26] <Laney> or just push it in in the same way, not sure it matters
[11:27] <seb128> Laney, you mean the same way plugin is set?
[11:27] <Laney> property variant pluginManager: pluginManager below id: pageStack
[11:27] <Laney> would that work?!
[11:27] <seb128> Laney, let me try ;-)
[11:28] <Laney> that's how I imagined it would be done, but you could also just push a second variable in indeed
[11:30] <seb128> Laney, if you add it as a property to the pagestack, how do you access the stack from a page?
[11:30] <nerochiaro> zsombi: is there some image provider in the sdk that can be used to get lighter or darker versions of assets ?
[11:30] <Laney> seb128: they should be in scope
[11:30] <bfiller> sil2100, didrocks : the browser dependency fix has an MR that needs review: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/webbrowser-app/package-deps-conflict/+merge/177532
[11:30] <Laney> like how you can do pageStack.push(...)
[11:30] <bfiller> then release can continue
[11:30] <Laney> that refers to that pageStack
[11:31] <seb128> Laney, ah, that makes sense, trying
[11:31] <seb128> Laney, thanks
[11:31] <sil2100> bfiller: I commented on it
[11:31] <sil2100> oSoMoN: ^
[11:33] <zsombi> nerochiaro: the only one I know of is the icon
[11:33] <oSoMoN> sil2100: commented back
[11:35] <sil2100> oSoMoN: indeed, but I guess in our case we would want to 'replace' the whole webbrowser-app-assets package, removing it completely during installation, right?
[11:35] <sil2100> oSoMoN: so I guess this is more the case of "7.6.2 Replacing whole packages, forcing their removal"
[11:35] <oSoMoN> sil2100: indeed
[11:37] <seb128> Laney, I can't get it work with a property ... do you want to have a look or should I just go with the parameter to .push() option? (that one works)
[11:37] <oSoMoN> sil2100: the example in the doc is not so clear to me though, what do I need to do exactly, just add the "Conflicts" line?
[11:37] <sil2100> oSoMoN: I would recommend to just switch 'Breaks' with 'Conflicts'
[11:38] <m-b-o> hello
[11:38] <m-b-o> I've flashed an image from friday and  "/" is now world and group writable. I can write everywhre as phablet...
[11:38] <oSoMoN> sil2100: ok, doing that now
[11:39] <katie_> nerochiaro, ok, i'll get you some
[11:40] <nerochiaro> katie_: perfect, thank you. please once you have them add them in a comment on the bug report, so they are easy to find.
[11:42] <gusch> nerochiaro: about the video counter - will you switch the position in landscape mode?
[11:42] <popey> m-b-o: been like that for a while now, it'll be fixed soon, known issue
[11:43] <katie_> nerochiaro, ok
[11:43] <nerochiaro> gusch: yeah, i'm doing that
[11:44] <nerochiaro> gusch: was getting some food before that
[11:44] <gusch> nerochiaro: ok
[11:45] <m-b-o> popey: ah, ok. thanks
[11:45] <Laney> seb128: do that, seems fine to me
[11:45] <seb128> Laney, ok
[11:46] <cjwatson> / world and group writable> OMG giant flashback to intrepid release sprint
[11:46] <cjwatson> (It wasn't /, but nearly as bad ...)
[11:46] <popey> ☻
[11:47]  * popey thinks cjwatson would be a good source for a future "history of ubuntu" book/documentary
[11:47] <cjwatson> I keep meaning to start putting together notes to that end
[11:48] <oSoMoN> sil2100: pushed changes to my MR
[11:48] <sil2100> oSoMoN: looking and approving if OK, I guess no need to block the stack any further - thanks! :)
[11:58] <om26er> Saviq, hi
[12:03] <ogra_> YAY !
[12:04]  * ogra_ has the container starting on the SGS2
[12:04] <ogra_> now on to the udev rules
[12:16] <MacSlow> timp, ping
[12:17] <timp> MacSlow: pong
[12:17] <nerochiaro> gusch|lunch: i updated the MR so that the top+center even when in landscape mode. please have a look when you come back from lunch
[12:19] <MacSlow> kalikiana, ping
[12:22] <davmor2> cjwatson: I remember being late to the release party due to last minute respins and getting cussed by devs for beating them to the test on that wonderful intrepid release :)
[12:24] <kalikiana> MacSlow: pong
[12:24] <Stskeeps> 22
[12:24] <Stskeeps> er, ignore me
[12:24] <davmor2> cjwatson: and of course there were no other last minute respins ever after that right :D
[12:29] <slangasek> cyphermox: ping
[12:36] <mpt> ralsina, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareUpdates#Phone
[12:49] <jasbir> hi
[12:50] <popey> hi
[12:50] <jasbir> i am trying to install touch/install on my nexus 4 device, but i keep on getting an error   Errors were encountered while processing:  xdiagnose E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[12:51] <jasbir> can anybody please help me out here ??
[12:51] <popey> jasbir: what guide did you follow?
[12:52] <jasbir> wiki ubuntu
[12:52] <popey> at what point are you getting that error?
[12:52] <jasbir> after this command sudo apt-get install phablet-tools android-tools-adb android-tools-fastboot
[12:52] <popey> you're running that on your laptop?
[12:53] <jasbir> no, on a desktop
[12:53] <popey> sounds like you have an underlying package broken, can you paste the entire output?
[12:53] <jasbir> sure
[12:53] <popey> at paste.ubuntu.com or something
[12:54] <jasbir> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:   linux-headers-3.5.0-17 linux-headers-3.5.0-17-generic Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them. 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 105 not upgraded. 1 not fully installed or removed. Need to get 0 B/101 kB of archives. After this operation, 0 B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y dpkg: error processin
[12:54] <popey> wait
[12:54] <popey> not here
[12:54] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/ please paste all of the output there
[12:54] <popey> then give me the url
[12:55] <jasbir> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5928928/
[12:55] <popey> thanks
[12:56] <popey> jasbir: sudo dpkg --configure -a
[12:56] <popey> do that
[12:56] <jasbir> ok
[12:57] <jasbir> didn't help with that, still the same error
[12:57] <popey> sudo apt-get install --reinstall xdiagnose
[12:59] <ptl> Ubuntu Edge is under the expected amount. What will Canonical do now?
[12:59] <jasbir> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5928940/
[13:00] <jasbir> i think this sounds about right ???
[13:00] <ogra_> ptl, what wouyld you expect canonical to do ?
[13:00] <jasbir> should i go ahead to the installation
[13:01] <popey> jasbir: looks good ☻
[13:01] <popey> ptl: it's all in hand.
[13:02] <jasbir> ok great thanx for your help
[13:02] <popey> no problem
[13:02] <ptl> ogra_: I don't have the slightest idea, I wonder why they tried this insane amount of money in the first place, to me it was obvious that it was unreachable... I am just dismayed because I wanted so much this project to succeed...
[13:03] <ogra_> ptl, 44000 devices * $830 = 32mil
[13:03] <ogra_> ptl, its is the price for the devices ...
[13:03] <ptl> let me rephrase then
[13:03] <ptl> this insane amount of devices
[13:03] <ogra_> that HW setup cant be built cheaper
[13:03] <AskUbuntu> Nexus 4 - Failed to install Ubuntu Touch | http://askubuntu.com/q/326495
[13:03] <ogra_> if you take less devices the price rises exponentially
[13:03] <popey> ptl: economies of scale, fewer devices would cost more
[13:04] <ogra_> same for taking more uless you take a really big margin
[13:04] <ptl> popey: good answer.
[13:04] <ptl> ogra_: indeed...
[13:04] <ptl> well, I am just upset because it won't succeed. That's a pity.
[13:04] <ogra_> but since the device is not planned to go on sale more devices wouldnt have made sense
[13:04] <popey> Sometimes you need to be a bit insane ☻
[13:05] <popey> ptl: I wouldn't call it dead yet ☻
[13:06] <Chlover> I'm just upset about it, because I want one, but dont have the money for one! >.< =P
[13:06] <ptl> the suspense worsens my mood, it's like committing to a losing team
[13:06] <ogra_> yeah, let it run to the end
[13:06] <Debolaz> ptl: The main goal of the Edge was probably to create publicity around the ideas Canonical have been working on. Obviously they want the project to get funded, and the phone to be made, but I suspect that's just a bonus if it happens.
[13:07] <popey> I dont think that was the primary goal.
[13:07] <Debolaz> ptl: My thoughts on it anyway. :)
[13:07] <popey> If it was, we wouldn't have made a bunch of prototypes costing thousands of dollars
[13:07] <w-flo> the "Estimate at current rate (High)" looks very promising. I wonder if the new t-shirt helped with that.. :D http://doridian.de/edgegraph/
[13:07] <ogra_> the primary goal was to build a super phone that is as powerful as a laptop or desktop PC
[13:07] <ptl> Debolaz: heard that opinion, still, to me it seems that Canonical reputation will end up worse, becaude they will appear to be 'losing the grasp on the market' or something due to the 'failure'
[13:08] <ogra_> canonical can only win
[13:08] <popey> +1
[13:08] <ogra_> the only loser here is the commmunity
[13:08] <ogra_> if it doesnt reach the goal
[13:08] <Debolaz> popey: A few thousand dollars to Shuttleworth is nothing, it's money well spent to inspire people.
[13:08] <Chlover> whats with the short time of only a month to fund though?
[13:09] <Debolaz> ptl: I don't think several millions dollars raised can be classified as a complete failure. It shows people are interested.
[13:10] <ptl> Debolaz: hope you are right
[13:10] <popey> When we put the prototype in peoples hands at OSCON they were very positive
[13:10] <ptl> there's another detail, too bad it is not meant to be open source hardware... that would make it revolutionary in other senses.
[13:10] <popey> had some people go away and come back the next day saying they'd backed it
[13:10] <popey> we'll open up as much as we can
[13:10] <Debolaz> ptl: Lets say somewhere between $10 and $20m dollars are gathered. Would you see that as a massive failure? Okay, that money is going back to the people who contributed it if the final goal isn't reached, but seeing people being willing to spend $20m on Ubuntu doesn't really seem like a miserable failure to me.
[13:11] <ogra_> ptl, can you show me any opensource mobile graphics hardware ? or any opensrounce LTE modem ?
[13:11] <ptl> Debolaz: not a miserable failure, I can agree with that... But still... That will mean no Ubuntu Edge by may 2014
[13:11] <ogra_> ptl, if you have any suggestions for open chips we definitely want to hear about it
[13:12] <ogra_> to my knowledge both of the above doesnt exist
[13:12] <ptl> actually I might have. Have to recheck my sources.
[13:13] <ptl> I have been following the open source hardware and bought a few devices that are said to be so, like the beaglebone black, the cubieboard and Parallella.
[13:13] <ogra_> it needs to be capable to run mmultiple displays without hassle and indeed it needs to be in a SoC with a proper CPU
[13:13] <Debolaz> popey: People certainly want the phone. But the projects main goal imho is publicity, which will be achieved no matter if funding succeeds or not.
[13:13] <ogra_> (quad or octacore etc ... )
[13:13] <ptl> they are not completely open source, of course, lest ARM processors are all closed source, to my knowledge.
[13:13] <ptl> And covered by lots of patents.
[13:13] <ogra_> thats my point
[13:13] <ogra_> :)
[13:14] <ogra_> there is no such thing like opensource hardware in mobile business
[13:14] <ogra_> at least not at that performance level
[13:14] <ogra_> or that connectivity level
[13:14] <ptl> but the basic idea of open hardware is that you can download the eagle and gerber files and build replica or derived boards of your own (in this case, you'd just buy the same SoCs from ARM sellers)
[13:15] <ogra_> well, i see no reason why the PCB plans cant be made public as eagle files
[13:15] <popey> http://www.reddit.com/r/tabled/comments/1j1gbv/table_iama_hi_im_mark_shuttleworth_founder_of/
[13:15] <ogra_> that wont make the chips free though :)
[13:15] <popey> see first question ptl
[13:15] <Debolaz> I think it looks like an incredibly sexy phone, more sexy than most things on the market today. Personally, I can't afford it, but it's not unreasonably priced. (I can't afford an iPhone either, yet people buy it)
[13:15] <ogra_> or the drivers ...
[13:15] <ogra_> Debolaz, you can win it ;)
[13:16]  * ogra_ sighs ... so my galaxy S2 boots flipped ... but to a black screen ... funnily the shell is up and there are no errors at all in the logs
[13:17] <Tassadar_> ogra_: probably screensaver >_>
[13:17] <ogra_> haha
[13:17] <ptl> Debolaz: the price is really right for the features, I wholeheartedly agree, and the features are amazing (i personally do not care much about its appearance, though, and I would prefer a hardware keyboard)
[13:18] <Chlover> I think it looks lovely, and features are awesome, I hope other hardware developers put similar hardware abilities in there phones coming out 2014
[13:19] <ptl> Yeah... I also have high hopes for it
[13:19] <ptl> I use it on my nexus 4 and nexus 7, which I bought exclusively for this
[13:19] <ptl> Android did not last half and hour in them
[13:20] <ptl> and btw, isn't the headphone working yet?
[13:20] <ogra_> that would be a question for diwic
[13:20] <ogra_> i thinnk there is work going on to make headphones work
[13:21] <ptl> ah ok, just to confirm, I had been experimenting with building a serial for my Nexus 4 and I just hope I haven't screwed up the connector. :P
[13:22] <diwic> ptl, I don't know about the standard image. I'm having some experimental images where it should be working, if not today so within a few days I'd say...but that's the experimental image
[13:22] <diwic> ptl, which you probably can't find
[13:22] <ptl> diwic: no hurry! :-)
[13:25] <barry> lool: ping
[13:48] <nerochiaro> gusch: is there any way to know how many cameras are there on the device and if the current camera supports torch/flash ?
[13:50] <ogra_> YIPPPIIE !!!
[13:55] <lool> barry: pong
[13:55] <lool> barry: sorry, lots of different meetings, hard to finish reporting state of the system-image stuff
[13:55] <barry> lool: hi.  yeah, i'm trying to debug the dbus problems
[13:56] <barry> lool: given that eta for that is unknown, what's the best way forward in the time left?
[13:57] <lool> barry: we're setting things up manually for now
[13:57] <lool> barry: the system-settings should be published pretty soon
[13:57] <barry> lool: okay.  did you see my message about .Exit()?
[13:57] <lool> barry: I've seen a bug about it, not sure
[13:58] <lool> barry: generally, the current approach seems to be fragile
[13:58] <lool> barry: if e.g. you go to settings twice quickly, it doesn't work
[13:58] <lool> also, dbus activation seems to be broken
[13:58] <barry> lool: it was about resetting state after cancel.  just call .Exit() and let dbus activation restart it
[13:58] <barry> hmm
[13:58] <ogra_> hmm, this ofono here is seriously unhappy ...
[13:59] <barry> lool: dbus never fails to produce countless headaches
[13:59] <gusch> nerochiaro: for the number of cameras, you need to use the same class as for switching them (so you need C++)
[13:59] <gusch> nerochiaro: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/qvideodeviceselectorcontrol.html#deviceCount
[13:59] <xcausxn> Hello
[14:00] <gusch> nerochiaro: for the flash - I'm working ot it (will take a time)
[14:00] <lool> barry: that's on my desktop though; might not be too important, not sure
[14:01] <xcausxn> Hey Everyone, i just installed Ubuntu Touch on my nexus 4. Im new to it but where can i manually add a wifi network
[14:02] <xcausxn> I went to system settings but the wifi button seems locked out whereas other buttons like background work
[14:02] <barry> lool: okay.  unless there's anything else i can do to help you for the demo, i will continue to try to debug the test failures in your branch.  i'm sure it's some obscure dbus-system.conf setting.  if i can get those tests to pass, i'll upload a new version.  in the meantime, ping me if you need anything
[14:02] <ogra_> xcausxn, pull down the panel from the top, slide left/right to the network indicator
[14:02]  * w-flo observes ogra going from "YIEPPPPIE" to "hmmmm" to "YAY" and then "wait.." again :D
[14:02] <plars> gusch: ping
[14:02] <ogra_> xcausxn, your APs should be listed there
[14:02] <gusch> plars: hi - I'm having may daily standup - can we chat in 30min?
[14:03] <ogra_> w-flo, well, i have flipped up on the galaxy S2 ... but a lot of HW still doesnt work
[14:03] <plars> gusch: could you take a look at the gallery app failure at http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/smokeng/saucy/image/3254/gallery-app-autopilot/ whenever you get a moment? see if you can tell if maybe it's a bug in the test or in the app?
[14:03] <w-flo> ogra_, congrats! :)
[14:03] <plars> gusch: no rush
[14:03] <ogra_> thanks :)
[14:03] <lool> barry: ok
[14:03] <lool> barry: I filed a couple of bugs for the things I was seeing on my desktop
[14:03] <ogra_> took three days ... and i still cant do it in a sane way we could add to the tree
[14:03] <gusch> plars: ok
[14:03] <lool> barry: /tmp/system-image and dbus system config basically
[14:04] <w-flo> ogra_, it's probably much better than the pile of hacks I use for the Desire Z :) I guess boot has more than 4mb, and data more than 1gb on your device
[14:05] <ogra_> w-flo, no, i guess it was easier with your desire ... samsung uses a very weird bootloader setup
[14:05] <ogra_> and in fact my hack completely breaks recovery
[14:05] <gusch> nerochiaro: for flash you again will need C++, and use http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtmultimedia/qcameraflashcontrol.html#isFlashModeSupported
[14:05] <w-flo> oh, that's bad :(
[14:05] <xcausxn> i found the hidden network but it hasnt asked for a my security stuff yet
[14:05] <nerochiaro> gusch: ok thanks
[14:06] <barry> lool: i'll respond to that bug in a minute
[14:14] <rsalveti> slangasek: cyphermox is in vac this week
[14:14] <rsalveti> slangasek: we're cleaning up ofono still, we added a few test cases last week and had to work fixing a few critical issues
[14:14] <rsalveti> then make it not break desktop and get that pushed to the archive, hopefully this week still
[14:15] <rsalveti> slangasek: did you have a bug for the segfault?
[14:21] <didrocks> barry: hey!
[14:21] <barry> didrocks: hiya!
[14:21] <didrocks> barry: nice we figure it out (and thanks to lool to have thought about session vs system dbus)
[14:22] <barry> didrocks: indeed.  it makes sense.  i just have to figure out how to get the tests to pass :/
[14:22] <didrocks> barry: for the record, I agree with lool, I think the Exit() is just a workaround and we should have state reset
[14:22] <didrocks> barry: yeah, good luck on that one :/
[14:22] <didrocks> as well, I think we'll need to think cases like:
[14:22] <didrocks> - client is dead
[14:22] <didrocks> - we restart it
[14:22] <didrocks> (or switch to somethine else, it's shut down and we go back)
[14:22] <barry> didrocks: no argument there.  it's just that i'm concerned about instability to make that change in the next few hours ;)
[14:22] <didrocks> so we should be able to recover the state
[14:22] <didrocks> barry: I think it will just be workarounded in the demo
[14:23] <didrocks> but as I saw it in a short period answer, that's why I didn't implement the Exit() call
[14:23] <barry> didrocks: agreed.  please do me a favor and file bugs for anything that the ui needs
[14:23] <didrocks> barry: I'll try to make a coherent mind and see how we would need to change the API for that
[14:24] <didrocks> s/make/get/ even
[14:24] <lool> sergiusens: Hey there!  was wondering whether you got the chance to add support for bootstraping the system images (the new read-only ones) for an arbitrary build id?
[14:24] <didrocks> barry: anyway, nothing for now, but let's see shortly next week
[14:24] <barry> didrocks: cool.  if i can get lool's branch to work, then i think we'll be on a much better footing for making the other changes.
[14:24] <slangasek> rsalveti: no; I've gotten a core file and I assumed submitting it to daisy would dtrt, but apparently our backtracing story for armhf is still incomplete
[14:25] <didrocks> right! :)
[14:25] <didrocks> barry: tests… what… ? :p
[14:25] <barry> didrocks: also, i want to make some changes so that it will be easier to run this on a desktop.  is it possible to run system-settings on a desktop?
[14:25] <barry> didrocks: :)
[14:25] <slangasek> rsalveti: would you like me to file a bug and manually attach the crash?
[14:25] <lool> barry: concerning dbus service, I wanted to mention an use case I described to didrocks: a) user goes to settings and starts download an update (sees download progress) b) user goes doing something else for some minutes c) unity garbage collects settings app d) user goes back to settings app to check progress of the update
[14:25] <rsalveti> slangasek: yeah, please
[14:26] <lool> barry: I don't think this is currently possible with the dbus API; whenever we iterate on it, we should design the updated one to allow picking up the current OS update status -- hope that makes sense, or perhaps that's already covered?
[14:26] <didrocks> barry: I don't really know about how the internal is working, but yeah, we should strive for that. I know lool get it running, but during the reboot, it crashes
[14:26] <slangasek> awe: hey, so I wanted to get your input on bug #1206405
[14:27]  * awe is very afraid
[14:27] <awe> ;)
[14:27] <awe> slangasek, one sec...
[14:28] <barry> didrocks: yep, that's part of the "doesn't work on desktops" that i want to fix by adding a normally unused desktop.ini file with more appropriate settings (we probably don't want it issuing actual real reboots ;)
[14:28] <didrocks> for the number of time I clicked on reboot, I appreciate that it doesn't work TBH :p
[14:28] <awe> slangasek, that's got to be one of the longest bug descriptions I've ever seen!
[14:28] <barry> lool: i think one thing we'll have to consider is whether the dbus daemon persists its state on disk or in memory
[14:28] <barry> didrocks: oh, trust me i know all about that one :)
[14:29] <didrocks> heh
[14:29] <lool> barry: it's probably ok if you only persist in memory
[14:29] <lool> barry: with graceful handling of partial updates (like battery died after the user downloaded half of the files)
[14:29] <didrocks> yeah, I think the daemon should just have a way to get through dbus the request of where it is in the update process
[14:29] <nathaneltitane> hola amigos
[14:30] <lool> ^ right that's exactly what I had in mind for the settings app to pickup state
[14:30] <barry> lool: yes, we have a bug open on restarting partial updates.  some of that should magically happen when i integrate with the download service (at least i hope so)
[14:30] <slangasek> awe: sorry ;)
[14:30] <awe> no worries
[14:30] <barry> lool: and the bug about being able to restart/reset after a .Cancel.  should that do the trick for you, or are you thinking about something else?
[14:30] <rsalveti> awe: wonder if this is related with the android driver somehow
[14:31] <rsalveti> slangasek: all you did was walking around connecting with different aps, right?
[14:31] <rsalveti> not using 3g data
[14:31] <awe> rsalveti, yea... there's all kinds of errors re: wifi killswitches not being present
[14:31] <lool> barry: I guess it's ok if it's fast
[14:31] <slangasek> rsalveti: yeah - I don't have 3g data here, I have a sim in the device but it's for the wrong country :)
[14:31] <awe> /lib/firmware not existing, ...
[14:31] <lool> barry: essentially, the settings app might query state immediately
[14:31] <nathaneltitane> i saw a vid posted on youtube yesterday of a canonical dev/project lead running U4A... still no ghost of where a dev build/test app could be for the rest of us?
[14:32] <barry> lool: it should be, yes
[14:32] <rsalveti> yeah, then probably android/nexus 4 specific
[14:32] <awe> slangasek, was mobile data disabled?
[14:32] <didrocks> barry: we need a query state method
[14:32] <didrocks> barry: let me think about it and go back to you
[14:33] <barry> didrocks: sounds good
[14:33] <nathaneltitane> specifically it was Vic Palau on there and the vid was published on the 26th
[14:33] <didrocks> thanks! :)
[14:33] <awe> slangasek, let me give this some thought and I'll see if I can come up with some debug experiments
[14:33] <slangasek> awe: as the bug is currently manifesting I'm having a hard time getting the answer to that ;)
[14:33] <awe> slangasek, have you tried getting it back into that state?
[14:33] <slangasek> it's in that state right now
[14:33] <nathaneltitane> link to YT vid here: http://youtu.be/bk9-v8Sl4yU
[14:33] <nathaneltitane> I WANT!!
[14:34] <awe> slangasek, can you try: https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1204661/comments/3
[14:35] <slangasek> rsalveti: bug #1206537
[14:35] <slangasek> awe: root@ubuntu-phablet:/# dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.freedesktop.NetworkManager /org/freedesktop/NetworkManager org.freedesktop.DBus.Properties.GetAll string:"org.freedesktop.NetworkManager"Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network co
[14:35] <slangasek> ... broken.
[14:36] <slangasek> rsalveti: so speaking of ofono, is there anything I can do to help with getting this merged into the archive?
[14:37] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, that needs a heavily modified android to work
[14:37] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, i dont think it is public anywhere yet
[14:38] <rsalveti> slangasek: only with code at this point, as we got a few actions to clean that up to avoid breaking the desktop, then we'll generate the patch to get it uploaded
[14:38] <slangasek> rsalveti: so ogra_ said there would be distinct desktop and phone binary packages?
[14:38] <awe> no
[14:38] <nathaneltitane> nathaneltitane sobs quietly
[14:38] <rsalveti> slangasek: no, we want it to be the same
[14:39] <slangasek> rsalveti: ah, ok
[14:39] <ogra_> oh, then i'm not up to date
[14:39] <awe> slangasek, the idea would be for the upstart job to detect whether or not RILD was running, then launch ofonod with the correct args
[14:39] <awe> the detection would rely on android properties
[14:40] <ogra_> slangasek, sorry, i hadnt followed the last developments wrt ofono
[14:40]  * ogra_ didnt mean to cause confusion
[14:40] <murgero> Hey guys!
[14:41] <murgero> Hello?
[14:43] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: would you know of any dual boot capable bootloader i could use to tinker my way around?
[14:43] <ogra_> nope
[14:43] <ogra_> i know there is some stuff in the xda forums
[14:43] <ogra_> but only for a few devices
[14:44] <ogra_> and i personally wouldnt use it, since we might still change the ubuntu images heavily before release and we definitely wont take dual booting into account
[14:44] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: :(
[14:44] <popey> nathaneltitane: what device?
[14:44] <nathaneltitane> the patience test is underway ...
[14:45] <nathaneltitane> QuincyAtt
[14:45] <nathaneltitane> samsung galaxy note sgh-i717
[14:45] <nathaneltitane> rooted and running latest CM 10.1.2
[14:46] <Debolaz> Out of curiosity, on phones with 3G internet connectivity (Or another pay-by-mb connectivity, ie, non-wifi), is the networked search feature enabled in Ubuntu Touch? Ie, the one that gives results from amazon, etc.
[14:46] <nathaneltitane> popey: ^^^^
[14:46] <benkaiser> Hey guys, I am running Ubuntu Touch on my Galaxy Note. How can I take a screenshot? even from the terminal?. gnome-screenshot doesn't work because it can't open the display (I am assuming this is because Mir is the display server?)
[14:49] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: you're going to tell me that simply dumping the OS image into a directory and linking the initr and other critical boot modules isn't enough?
[14:49] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, nope
[14:49] <nathaneltitane> a linux kernel is a linux kernel after all .. how weird
[14:50] <ogra_> especially on samsung devices
[14:50] <nathaneltitane> oh?
[14:50]  * ogra_ just spent 3 days on a galaxy S2 and its massively hard to get working
[14:50] <nerochiaro> gusch: it looks like when we switch cameras from back to front (screen side) and the flash is in torch mode, it will get stuck in that mode and setting camera.flash.mode = Camera.FlashOff won't actually set the property to false
[14:51] <benkaiser> nerochiaro, do you know how to take a screenshot on Ubuntu Touch? I am using a Galaxy Note (N7000)
[14:52] <nerochiaro> benkaiser: don't know, sorry
[14:52] <nathaneltitane> as in what part ogra_ ?
[14:52] <gusch> nerochiaro: ok - then I'd guess it's a plugin issue - assign the bug to me
[14:52] <davmor2> benkaiser: you can do it via a terminal on a connected machine with popey's code not sure about on the device itself I assume you can.
[14:52] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, bootloader
[14:53] <ogra_> and the whole partition setup
[14:53] <benkaiser> what is the code?
[14:53] <nerochiaro> gusch: ok, i'll add a comment and pass it on
[14:53] <nathaneltitane> the bin itself?
[14:53] <nathaneltitane> oh
[14:53] <benkaiser> davmor2, is that in the ubuntu-touch-manager? or something else?
[14:53] <nathaneltitane> but can't the mapping be taken from previous android work/roms? I mean it doesnt seem to need to be reinvented...
[14:53] <slangasek> awe: so after an unavoidable reboot, "cellular data" is disabled according to system settings
[14:54] <davmor2> benkaiser: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929293/
[14:54] <awe> slangasek, unfortunately we can't trust system settings right now, which is why I posed the dbus-send comment
[14:54] <benkaiser> ahhh I see :) Thanks davmor2
[14:54] <awe> https://bugs.launchpad.net/touch-preview-images/+bug/1204661
[14:55] <slangasek> awe: well, that one gave me a dbus EPERM anyway :)
[14:55] <ogra_> slangasek, as pahblet user ?
[14:55] <slangasek> ogra_: as root
[14:55] <ogra_> or as root
[14:55] <slangasek> as root, over adb
[14:55] <awe> that's weird
[14:55] <awe> it works for me 100% as root over adb
[14:56] <nathaneltitane> explicit $ sudo adb .....
[14:56] <awe> slangasek, I have a critical MR I'm reviewing, and a stand-up in 4min
[14:56] <awe> your bug is next in the queue
[14:56] <ogra_> oh !
[14:56]  * ogra_ quickly gets coffee 
[14:56] <ogra_> didnt notice the time
[14:56] <slangasek> alrighty :)
[14:57]  * awe needs to figure out how to manually debug a .crash file
[14:57] <slangasek> awe: apport-unpack && $stuff
[14:57] <awe> yea... ;D
[14:57] <slangasek> oh, and after reboot dbus-send worked, too
[14:58] <slangasek> awe: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929303/
[14:58] <ogra_> we should just add more reboots to the system by default :)
[14:58] <awe> slangasek, you might want to try disabling 3g for now
[14:58] <awe> my guess is that the NM code doesn't handle ofono going away very gracefully
[15:01] <awe> slangasek, interesting... mobile data is disabled
[15:01] <awe> is ofonod still running?
[15:04] <lool> barry: trying latest settings app on device, the settings app times out; I see no system-image-* process running
[15:04] <lool> barry: if I run system-image-dbus manually from adb root shell, I get: dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NotSupported: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11
[15:05] <lool> barry: I see this in the traceback:
[15:05] <lool>     session_bus = dbus.SessionBus()
[15:05] <slangasek> awe: ofonod is crashing in a loop :)
[15:05] <lool> barry: so clearly we need the fix there
[15:05] <popey> nathaneltitane: sorry was afk, can I help?
[15:05] <slangasek> awe: that was my other bug report
[15:05] <barry> lool: that can't be the only line of the traceback
[15:06] <lool> barry: oh no
[15:06] <barry> lool: it's also weird that dbus-daemon would be involved if you're starting system-image-dbus explicitly
[15:06] <lool> barry: it's legitimately failing to create a session bus service from adb shell which doesn't know about my session
[15:06] <lool> barry: the point is that it should be on the system bus (mp I sent)
[15:06] <awe> slangasek, right... I'm just wondering if 3g is truly disabled, or NM marks it as disabled when ofono disappears
[15:06] <nathaneltitane> popey: i would ideally want to get my hands oon U4A or maybe a working dual-boot supporting bootloader for my device
[15:06] <awe> I actually just started looking at the NM code yesterday
[15:07] <popey> nathaneltitane: U4A isn't released yet, so that's a non-starter
[15:07] <lool> barry: I think it tries to autolaunch because the code in the image is trying to use a session bus
[15:07] <awe> slangasek, I need to check to see if NM actually has code to detect ofono appearing/disappearing on the bus
[15:07] <popey> nathaneltitane: as for dual boot, I'd echo ogra_, look on xda, and be careful as we won't cater for it
[15:07] <barry> lool: right.  i *just* got the tests working with your branch, so i will do the release dance.  i'm not sure what the lag will be for you to get that on your phone, but i can build a local package for you before i upload
[15:07] <slangasek> awe: ok
[15:07] <lool> barry: happy either way; great that you got the tests fixed; will check your fix  :-)
[15:08] <nathaneltitane> popey: i was also arguing the fact that shouldn't one simply be able to dump the ubuntu image onto a dir in the android device and get it chrooted by remapping the initrd and other critical boot modules to the android subsystem?
[15:08] <lool> s/check/read
[15:08] <davmor2> n
[15:08] <nathaneltitane> popey: a linux kernel is a linux kernel
[15:08] <barry> lool: cool.  will be a few minutes until i commit, push, release.  stay tuned :)
[15:09] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, we dont use android as underlying system anymore ... we use an ubuntu initrd and boot directly into an ubuntu rootfs nowadays
[15:10] <ogra_> we only fire up androids HAL inside an lxc container during boot for hardware interaction now
[15:10] <slangasek> sergiusens: hi, so I'm not seeing any updates on lp:~phablet-team/phablet-tools/trunk/ for the system-updates build flag - should I be looking somewhere else?
[15:11] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: I'm talking on the basis of keeping Android as main
[15:12] <gusch> plars: I have no idea why the test timed out - it works for me on my device (and there weren't any changes for that part of gallery)
[15:12] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, thats over
[15:12] <ogra_> for ubuntu touch
[15:12] <plars> gusch: is the timeout window for that autopilot test fairly small or something?
[15:14] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: :(
[15:14] <sergiusens> slangasek: sorry, will get that MRed soon
[15:14] <slangasek> sergiusens: soon == today?
[15:15] <sergiusens> slangasek: yes
[15:15] <slangasek> sergiusens: ok, thanks
[15:15] <gusch> plars: timeout is the usual 10s, and closing the view should take 1s
[15:19] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, that was always only to get us started, the plan was always to run ubuntu natively
[15:19] <ogra_> (and this was communicated pretty cleatrly i think)
[15:19] <ogra_> *clearly
[15:22] <nathaneltitane> not really since you keep the dual boot in perspective, hence leaving the choice of keeping android as main. Ubuntu native is one thing (hence Ubuntu-Touch) and android with a full blown os switcher is another
[15:22] <MacSlow> dednick, ping
[15:23] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, nobody ever promoted dual boot for ubuntu touch
[15:23] <dednick> MacSlow: meeting. few minutes
[15:23] <MacSlow> dednick, ok
[15:24] <popey> We will of course re-visit dual-boot for the Edge
[15:24] <nathaneltitane> but doesnt having edge feature such a possibility the implication of it being available?
[15:24] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, note ubuntu touch is a general purpose mobile OS ... the edge is a pecific device for which this would have to be made possible during HW bringup
[15:24] <popey> in the future, yes
[15:25] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: i'm not arguing, though I find it sad it's not being worked on off the ba with the rest...
[15:25] <nathaneltitane> i'M no dev really but i'd love to test and help with the debug
[15:25] <ogra_> nathaneltitane, we wont make the goal of releasing at 13.10 if we dont concentrate to get the basics up
[15:25] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: agreed
[15:25] <ogra_> dual boot very low on the TODO list
[15:26] <ogra_> (teh edge would push it up btw, so go and buy one ;) )
[15:26] <Tassadar_> really?!
[15:26]  * Tassadar_ buys all of them!
[15:26] <ogra_> Tassadar_, ++
[15:27] <ogra_> DOIT !!
[15:27]  * ogra_ goes and reloads the campaign page wildly 
[15:27] <Tassadar_> well, no, not really, I never even had my own $730 in my life)
[15:27] <Tassadar_> but I sent $20, for what that's worth :/
[15:28] <nathaneltitane> ogra_: wish I had the money right now, trust me
[15:28] <nathaneltitane> it looks like a monster device
[15:28] <ogra_> Tassadar_, just make sure to also subscribe to the contest, you might win one who knows
[15:30] <Tassadar_> it's not random, person who gets most money via referals wins
[15:30] <ogra_> i could imagine there will come up more contests before the campaign ends
[15:30] <Tassadar_> ooh, there's T-shirt perk now
[15:31] <lool> barry: so what was the issue?  I see you removed /tmp/debug.log (good for desktop mode that we dont use /tmp indeed) and a service= call; was it the remaining issue?
[15:31] <ogra_> see :)
[15:31] <lool> ah username
[15:31] <seb128> kenvandine, hey there
[15:32] <kenvandine> seb128, i played a bit with adding qmltypes at build time in qml-friends
[15:32] <kenvandine> and failed
[15:32] <kenvandine> probably needed that LD_PRELOAD :)
[15:32] <seb128> kenvandine, I copied the qmake snippet from the ui toolkit
[15:32] <seb128> kenvandine, but they don't need the LD hack for some reason
[15:32] <kenvandine> cool
[15:32] <seb128> maybe due to the structure of the dirs
[15:32] <seb128> here the lib and qml bindings are sibling dirs
[15:33] <kenvandine> seb128, so LD_LIBRARY_PATH didn't work?  you have to give it the lib to load?
[15:34] <seb128> kenvandine, I had issue, do you like the PATH better than PRELOAD?
[15:34] <seb128> not sure why PATH didn't work...
[15:34] <seb128> the current version works in a pbuilder
[15:35] <kenvandine> it's probably fine
[15:35] <kenvandine> just trying to understand it more
[15:35] <kenvandine> since i failed at generating it at build time myself :)
[15:35] <kenvandine> but at the time the toolkit didn't do it either
[15:36] <seb128> kenvandine, well, there is not so much documentation on the topic
[15:36] <seb128> or my google foo is too weak
[15:37] <kenvandine> there isn't...
[15:38] <barry> lool: <policy user="$user"> in dbus-system.conf
[15:38] <barry> lool: with $user getting filled in at test-run time with the username running the tests
[15:38] <lool> barry: oh great
[15:39] <barry> lool: i think i'm going to work on the couple of other bugs you filed before uploaded 0.9.2.  but let me know if you have some other priority.  i'm expecting to upload a new version after lunch-ish
[15:40] <slangasek> barry: so this particular bug is a blocker for the demo, would be good to have it in the archive ASAP
[15:40] <slangasek> I don't know if lool's other bugs are blockers
[15:41] <barry> slangasek: probably just LP: #1206523
[15:41] <barry> slangasek: would you like to look over the dbus conf file proposed by lool  in that bug?
[15:42] <slangasek> barry: I don't speak dbus policy very wel
[15:42] <barry> slangasek: who does? ;)
[15:42] <slangasek> was that when trying to launch it as a user, or as root?
[15:42] <barry> (that's a rhetorical question :)
[15:42] <slangasek> and from the commandline, or dbus-based activation?
[15:42] <slangasek> lool: ^^ ?
[15:42] <barry> slangasek, lool dbus-activation as root
[15:43] <barry> (there's a different config file for dbus-activation via user for the test suite but that's different)
[15:43] <barry> slangasek: maybe i should go with that for the immediate demo and ask security team to verify
[15:43] <lool> barry: I didn't get the activation to work so far  :-(
[15:44] <lool> barry: I basically looked at other policies to make myself an idea
[15:44] <slangasek> barry: so if I can manually launch it from the commandline beforehand, that's sufficient for the demo
[15:44] <slangasek> and I'd like to be able to verify for myself that this works :)
[15:44] <barry> lool: dang.  we really need that lxc container test environment :/
[15:44] <slangasek> (ASAP, I mean)
[15:44] <lool> barry: it's probably that we don't need a very tight policy anyway; we're likely to block this at the apparmor level too; this is mainly to be clean, especially on the desktop
[15:45]  * lool will deploy the updated python files by hand to see what is still missing
[15:45] <barry> lool, slangasek okay.  i'll add basically lool's config file, make sure the packaging works, and upload the whole thing within the next bunch o' minutes
[15:46] <lool> barry: the config file was required on desktop, not sure on touch
[15:46] <slangasek> barry: ok, thanks :)
[15:46] <barry> lool: i'll make desktop testing easier after this next release
[15:47] <lool> barry: ah it's needed on touch too
[15:47] <lool> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.AccessDenied: Connection ":1.41" is not allowed to own the service "com.canonical.SystemImage" due to security policies in the configuration file
[15:47] <barry> lool: ack
[15:48] <slangasek> lool: that time it's for dbus activation or from the commandline?
[15:49] <lool> barry: ok, just finished testing onthe device
[15:49] <lool> barry: all the bugs were sadly also on the touch case present
[15:49] <lool> barry: what I did was launch system-image-dbus manually as root from adb root shell
[15:49] <lool> barry: this first failed with the session bus thing
[15:50] <lool> barry: the second issue was the missing dbus config, that prevented system-image-dbus from listening too
[15:50] <lool> barry: the third issue was that I had to mkdir /tmp/system-image as root
[15:50] <lool> barry: once I had fixed these 3 things (deploying the updated service.py for the first thing, adding my config for the second), the update UI worked and offered an update (yeah!)
[15:51] <barry> lool: wow, cool.  so i have the first one fixed now, second one will be shortly with the new conf file.  third one i need to look at (i see your bug on that)
[15:51] <lool> barry: I also confirmed that dbus activation doesn't work currently, but I have no fix for this
[15:52] <barry> lool, slangasek can you get a new package on the device before it goes through the whole official system update machinations?
[15:52] <barry> lool: ok
[15:53] <slangasek> barry: certainly can, but I will also want to turn the crank on the image builder to get a clean image with all the updates in it :)
[15:54] <barry> slangasek: definitely.  okay, i'd like to build a local package and have you try it before i upload it.  give me a few minutes
[15:54] <slangasek> barry: ack
[15:54] <slangasek> barry: thanks :)
[15:54] <barry> slangasek: no worries!
[16:08] <mhall119> Wellark: ping again, still need some HUD documentation for app developers to use
[16:08] <lool> barry: found the activaction thing I think
[16:09] <lool> barry: yeah, confirmed
[16:09] <lool> barry: the service file needs a full path
[16:09] <lool> let me send a mp
[16:12] <lool> barry: https://code.launchpad.net/~lool/ubuntu-system-image/fix-dbus-service-file/+merge/177642
[16:20] <barry> lool: got it, thanks
[16:25] <mhall119> Chocanto: ping
[16:27] <sergiusens> stgraber: slangasek I think I'm getting a rw / on todays image, can you confirm?
[16:33] <lool> barry: Shit, I've left     <allow send_destination="*"/>
[16:33] <lool> barry: this is quite wrong; we should back it off afterwards
[16:34] <barry> lool: i changed the own to <allow own="com.canonical.SystemImage"/>
[16:34] <barry>  
[16:34] <barry> lool: i guess send_destination="com.canonical.SystemImage" then?
[16:35] <barry> lool: try this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929615/
[16:36] <janimo> sforshee, hi, mfisch  tells me this is/was a known issue kernel: [1, init] [ 3259.697387] init: powerd main process (4376) killed by SEGV signal
[16:37] <slangasek> sergiusens: "today's image" being the standard image, or stgraber's image?
[16:38] <ogra_> slangasek, if he pings stephane i'd guess a system image image :)
[16:38] <lool> barry: ok, latest one seems much nicer
[16:38] <lool> barry: from bzr
[16:39] <barry> lool: revno 119?
[16:39] <lool> barry: the one last change I did was this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929626/
[16:39] <lool> barry: yes
[16:39] <slangasek> well, that's the obvious inference, but I want to be sure :-P
[16:39] <sergiusens> slangasek: stgraber image
[16:39] <barry> lool: okay, let me make that pastebin change and build a new package
[16:39] <lool> barry: the other "own" is required though, despite activation
[16:39] <sergiusens> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/5929582/
[16:39] <lool> barry: cool, thanks
[16:39] <barry> lool: yep
[16:40] <lool> barry: I only tested with the settings app though, I would expect the cli app to work just the same
[16:40] <barry> lool: cli should be completely unaffected by any of this :)
[16:42] <slangasek> sergiusens: does that pastebin relate to the rw problem?
[16:42] <sergiusens> slangasek: nope, just what I installed
[16:42] <slangasek> ok
[16:43] <sforshee> janimo: as long as it only happens early on during boot then it's a result of the sensor stuff not being ready
[16:43] <janimo> sforshee, it happens in a loop
[16:43] <janimo> I have no UI either so there may be unrelated deeper issues
[16:43] <sforshee> janimo: if you can tell me how to reproduce I can look into it
[16:43] <slangasek> sergiusens: is there any risk of a previous /userdata/.developer_mode flag on the system that didn't get cleared by the flash?
[16:43] <janimo> sforshee, not a nexus device, so not easily reproducable
[16:44] <slangasek> sergiusens: (still working on reproducing here)
[16:44] <sforshee> janimo: there was an issue like that once before that was because the sensors were never becoming ready
[16:44] <sforshee> it broke apps and powerd
[16:44] <janimo> sforshee, nothing urgent I just thought it's something know with a quick workaround on every device
[16:44] <janimo> sforshee, right, my sensors are not ready, so probably vendor blob problems
[16:45] <janimo> I/ServiceManager( 1045): Waiting for service sensorservice...
[16:45] <janimo> in a loop as well
[16:45] <sergiusens> slangasek: hmmm, that's it
[16:45] <slangasek> sergiusens: ok
[16:45] <janimo> sforshee, thanks
[16:45] <sergiusens> slangasek: seems clearing /cache and /data from recovery isn't enough
[16:45] <sforshee> janimo: I still don't think powerd should crash, but that seems to be a problem with hte libplatform-api stuff powerd uses
[16:45] <slangasek> sergiusens: possibly because it overlooks dotfiles?
[16:46] <slangasek> (I don't know, just speculating)
[16:46] <janimo> sforshee, ack.
[16:46] <sergiusens> slangasek: I'm using the exact rm command stgraber gave me, I'll look into it
[16:47] <slangasek> sergiusens: ok
[16:52] <lool> barry: so I could download 3 deltas worth of OS updates, but reboot didn't work; trying again
[16:52] <barry> lool: ack
[16:53] <lool> crap, redownloading everything
[16:53] <w-flo> janimo, I've noticed that when /data failed to mount on my device, android assumed that it was encrypted and notified the UI to ask for a passphrase (by setting the vold.encrypted prop to 1), which Ubuntu never does. And since /data was never mounted successfully, the "late_start" service class (including sensorservice) was never started
[16:54] <w-flo> sorry, vold.decrypt..
[16:54] <w-flo> so if getprop vold.decrypt returns 1 for you, that is probably why it fails to start. but might be totally unrelated :)
[16:58] <lool> barry: So I confirm it doesn't work; I saw the download completed, then the UI updated to show "Reboot your phone now", at this stage system-image-dbus wasn't running anymore
[16:59] <murgero> hey guys!!
[16:59] <lool> barry: I'll try signalling a reboot by hand now
[16:59] <barry> lool: please try one more thing: in /etc/system-image/client.ini, change [dbus]lifetime: value to something like 5m
[17:00] <barry> lool: it may be timing out
[17:01] <lool> barry: ok, trying that now
[17:01] <lool> with 10mn
[17:01] <barry> 10m
[17:01] <barry> :)
[17:01] <lool> right
[17:02] <lool> barry: do you know the rune to trigger a manual reboot?
[17:02] <barry> reboot -f recovery
[17:02] <lool> barry: I tried dbus-send --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /com/canonical/SystemImage com.canonical.SystemImage.Reboot
[17:02] <barry> (well, that's command line)
[17:02] <lool> barry: Hmm ok, I wanted to try the service while at it
[17:03] <lool> didrocks says dbus-send --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /Service com.canonical.SystemImage.Reboot
[17:03] <barry> lool: that dbus-send command should do it though...
[17:03] <lool> will try that if the reboot fails
[17:05] <mhall119> kenvandine: is the soucecode for plonk on bzr somewqhere?
[17:05] <kenvandine> mhall119, i don't think is
[17:05] <kenvandine> in git
[17:05] <mhall119> where?
[17:05] <kenvandine> https://github.com/kenvandine/plonk
[17:05] <lool> barry: I'm just towards the end
[17:05] <mhall119> thanks
[17:05] <lool> barry: service still running
[17:06] <lool> just ended d/l, it's running
[17:06] <lool> (validating I guess)
[17:06] <lool> barry: validated, still running
[17:06] <lool> barry: AH!  different failure now
[17:06] <barry> wonderful ;)
[17:06] <lool> barry: we're now getting "We are deeply sorry!"  update failed blahblha
[17:07] <didrocks> meaning you sent the fail signal
[17:07] <didrocks> "UpdateFailed"
[17:07] <didrocks> (exactly)
[17:07] <barry> lool: if you run the dbus service from the command line, add a -v to get debugging output on console
[17:08] <lool> barry, didrocks: I tried running the dbus-send afterwards, then again after killing the service, and it didn't work
[17:08] <lool> it did trigger autoactivation thouhg
[17:08] <didrocks> lool: yeah, expected as I guess the service doesn't rebuild its state
[17:08] <barry> didrocks: no, it doesn't persist state currently
[17:09] <barry> hang on, i have a new package now
[17:09] <lool> barry: nothing with -v and -v -v when doing the dbus-send commands
[17:09] <barry> lool: hmm. that doesn't seem right
[17:09] <didrocks> lool: you mean, sending the reboot?
[17:10] <didrocks> or starting from scratch?
[17:10] <didrocks> (you unfortunately have to restart from scratch with download, blablabla…)
[17:10] <lool> didrocks: sending the reboot
[17:10] <lool> I suspect the dbus rune is wrong
[17:10] <didrocks> yeah, as long as the service doesn't persist state, you have to go from round 0, sending reboot only won't work
[17:10] <barry> didrocks, lool, slangasek: http://barry.warsaw.us/system-image-{cli,common,dbus,dev}_0.9.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[17:11] <lool> barry: did you upload the current fixes?
[17:11] <barry> lool: not uploaded to the archive yet, but those packages have the current bzr head
[17:11] <barry> with all the conf files installed (should be)
[17:12] <lool> barry: can't find the -dbus deb
[17:12] <slangasek> barry: 404x3
[17:13] <barry> lool, slangasek sorry, my bad, use this url: lool:
[17:13] <barry>  http://barry.warsaw.us/debian/system-image-dbus_0.9.2-0ubuntu1_all.deb
[17:13] <barry> then *cli *common *dev
[17:13] <barry> (well, you probably don't need the dev)
[17:13] <slangasek> got 'em, thanks
[17:14] <lool> same here
[17:14] <barry> cool.  i'm going to try on my nexus7 too
[17:14] <lool> barry: usr/sbin/system-image-dbus/system-image-dbus
[17:15] <slangasek> har
[17:15] <lool> barry: it's ok if you leave it in bin/ for now, this is low priority
[17:15] <barry> nice
[17:15] <barry> okay
[17:15] <slangasek> but in any case, dh_install targets are directory names
[17:15] <barry> easy fix
[17:17] <lool> barry: so I can't force a reboot before the download
[17:17] <lool> barry: tring the download again now
[17:18] <barry> lool: yep.  fun.
[17:18] <lool> I did see activity with dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /Service com.canonical.SystemImage.CheckForUpdate
[17:18] <lool> then with dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /Service com.canonical.SystemImage.GetUpdate
[17:19] <didrocks> lool: you should now do a "dbus-monitor --system 2>&1 | tee /tmp/log"
[17:19] <didrocks> then look for readyToReboot signal
[17:19] <didrocks> and you should be able to launch the Reboot command after that
[17:21] <lool> barry: so the reboot dbus-send worked
[17:22] <lool> barry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929767/
[17:22] <barry> lool: that looks good to me.  any reason i shouldn't upload this new package then?
[17:25] <slangasek> barry: FileNotFoundError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/tmp/system-image/tmp_9rji2'
[17:25] <slangasek> (ignorable for now)
[17:25] <mhall119> loving SMS on Ubuntu Touch, it's so easy
[17:25] <barry> slangasek: damn.  hang on, lool filed a bug on that.   let me see if it's easily fixable
[17:26] <slangasek> barry: I'm sure it is, but we're also EOD here - I'd like to get the package officially in the archive soonest so I can do an image respin
[17:26] <lool> slangasek: mkdir /tmp/system-image to workaround
[17:26] <slangasek> yep, worked around already
[17:26] <barry> slangasek: okay.  let me upload 0.9.2 then
[17:26] <lool> barry: yeah, that's best
[17:27] <barry> lool, slangasek thanks.  it'll be bzr revno 122
[17:27] <slangasek> then the network dropped here and my next test failed due to the web proxy :P
[17:27] <lool> so in the above pastbin, between the two _reboot is when I dbus-send
[17:27] <lool> yeah
[17:27] <lool> now my device is updated, but I can't adb shell anymore
[17:27] <slangasek> sw33t, I have the update screen
[17:28] <slangasek> didrocks: s/sandwish/sandwich/ ;)
[17:28] <didrocks> slangasek: this is the French touch :p
[17:28] <lool> it's sandwich in french too
[17:28] <lool> or sandwiches
[17:28] <didrocks> let's call it an easter egg :p
[17:28] <didrocks> I can fix it, not sure it worth an upload ;)
[17:29] <didrocks> but let's see if we can fix first this reboot thing
[17:29] <slangasek> didrocks: I'm assuming the update size is also fixed text
[17:29] <slangasek> and that I'm not downloading 55GB :)
[17:29] <barry> lool: oh, before i upload, should i change the default dbus timeout?  2m is perhaps too short
[17:30] <lool> barry: yeah, 10m
[17:30] <lool> barry: but this is ok, we cn easily change this
[17:31] <barry> lool: np.  quick fix, quick spin
[17:32] <lool> so adb shell is broken for me with latest update
[17:33] <lool> and keyboard
[17:33] <lool> hmmmmm
[17:33] <barry> lool: i'm pretty sure i didn't break those :)
[17:33] <lool> barry: nah, it's either latest image or switching to rw
[17:33] <lool> Hmm maybe I corrupted the fs by not remounitng ro
[17:34] <lool> anyway, I'm screwed right now; need to bootstrap
[17:37] <slangasek> barry: so if I needed to cheat for the demo because a 32MB download is too much... could I get away with pre-downloading files to /tmp/system-image?  Would it DTRT with that?
[17:39] <barry> slangasek: it won't because it always calculates the updates based on the index.json file paths
[17:39] <barry> :(
[17:39] <slangasek> barry: and it can't use an already-downloaded file in the directory?
[17:39] <barry> slangasek: not currently
[17:39] <slangasek> it's fine that it has to recalculate the update... but e.g. if a download fails partway through, it should be able to reuse those contents
[17:40] <barry> slangasek: that's part of the changes i have slated for integration w/download service
[17:40] <slangasek> ack
[17:40] <slangasek> barry: seen this? http://paste.ubuntu.com/5929811/
[17:41] <barry> slangasek: yikes, wtf?!  never seen that before (looks like an incomplete traceback)
[17:42] <slangasek> barry: mm, sorry, probably corrupted because the traceback was spit out to a terminal that had other things running in the foreground :P
[17:42] <slangasek> anyway, apparently this was due to a timeout that lool has seen
[17:43] <lool> slangasek: /etc/system-image/client.ini, change [dbus]lifetime: value to 10m
[17:43] <barry> slangasek: i do think there's still something hinky in the built-in downloader re: threads.  i've seen very occasional failures in that test, which lool also saw earlier.
[17:43] <lool> barry: Yeah, it seems fishy
[17:44] <barry> lool: i plan to address all that stuff when i get to the download service :/
[17:44] <lool> ack
[17:52] <doanac> ogra_: just noticed that system-images for touch don't include /var/log/installer/media-info. Should I raise a bug somewhere for this or is it known?
[17:53] <ogra_> file a bug
[17:53] <sergiusens> doanac: added comments to https://code.launchpad.net/~doanac/phablet-tools/rndis/+merge/177435 ogra_ and I can take care of the _move_ comments I made
[17:53] <ogra_> i thought stgraber just uses the tarballs from cdimage as base
[17:54] <didrocks> dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /Service com.canonical.SystemImage.BuildNumber
[17:54] <didrocks> dbus-send --print-reply --system --dest=com.canonical.SystemImage /Service com.canonical.SystemImage.GetUpdateVersion
[17:57] <ogra_> sergiusens, i'm not a big fan of mangling the pre-start.sh script btw ... once it changes it will break
[17:57] <doanac> ogra_: i hate that code also. its doing sed within sed
[17:57] <ogra_> we should have a pre-start.d dir and source that or so
[17:57] <ogra_> so we can just drop snippets in
[17:58] <sergiusens> ogra_: exactly, was looking into something like that
[17:58] <ogra_> (though i doubt that will work anyway with the whole readonly stuff)
[17:58] <sergiusens> ogra_: I'm adding the udev rule to android-tools now, if you want I can do the android-lxc-config change
[17:58] <ogra_> feel free, dont hold back :)
[17:59] <sergiusens> ogra_: ok, it won't work btw ;-) we'll need to use the /userdata part
[17:59] <jdstrand> are the img files produced by the android package mountable?
[17:59] <ogra_> well, we could have a rw bindmount in place
[17:59] <jdstrand> eg saucy-preinstalled-boot-armel+mako.img
[17:59] <lool> barry: reboot worked from system settings app for slangasek
[18:00] <sergiusens> ogra_: that too
[18:00] <ogra_> jdstrand, i dont think so
[18:00] <lool> which is good news because results on my device were inconstistent
[18:00] <ogra_> jdstrand, iirc you need to run them through simg2img first
[18:01] <ogra_> jdstrand, from android-tools-fsutils (or so)
[18:01] <barry> lool, slangasek \o/
[18:01] <jdstrand> ogra_: thanks
[18:01] <barry> lool, slangasek btw, how do i switch to r/w mode so i can do local tests on my nexus?
[18:02] <barry> lool, slangasek 0.9.2-0ubuntu1 uploaded
[18:05] <slangasek> barry: awesomesauce.  And I see that 0.92-0ubuntu1 is uploaded; so I'll be sure to pull that into a build tonight
[18:05] <slangasek> barry: r/w: touch /userdata/.developer_mode
[18:06] <lool> + reboot
[18:06] <barry> thanks!
[18:15] <barry> lool, slangasek i'm going to get some lunch now.  good luck!  i'll try to get online early tomorrow my morning to see if there are any last minute issues
[18:21] <AskUbuntu> Ubuntu Edge, will there ever be a consumer version? | http://askubuntu.com/q/326619
[18:25] <keithzg> Oh, yay, the latest campaign update for Edge had an answer "What networks are supported?"! Oh, yay, it completely doesn't answer the question for me!
[18:25] <keithzg> Seriously, how hard is it to either way which 3G frequencies are supported, or at least to come out and admit (if this is the case) that it hasn't been settled which frequencies are supported.
[18:26] <keithzg> s/way/say
[18:28] <keithzg> I mean, I'm assuming they have no idea which 3G frequencies will be supported since ostensibly the question of x86 or ARM hasn't even been decided, so chipset selection is up in the air. But that's just me using deductive reasoning. It's quite infuriating that nobody will just come out and say it.
[18:34] <w-flo> keithzg, I'm not sure if it supports 3G at all
[18:37] <w-flo> sorry, seems I've misread that page. forget what I said :)
[18:38] <keithzg> Heh, yeah, it definitely supports 3G. But....
[18:38] <keithzg> "What networks are supported?
[18:38] <keithzg> The Ubuntu Edge is an unlocked device that works in all countries with GSM/3G/LTE network services. For GSM, which covers a lot of countries but not all operators, the Edge will support the 850, 900, 1800, 1900 and 2100 MHz frequencies. You can check support in your country here.
[18:38] <keithzg> The Edge will support LTE standard frequencies and multi-band support for roaming. Yes, you can use the Edge on Verizon and Sprint."
[18:39] <keithzg> ...judiciously, it avoids any mention of anything that would even give the slightest clue to which frequencies it supports 3G on :P
[18:43] <keithzg> Luckily, the page notes "If you are not happy with the product, you may return it within 28 days of receiving it for a full refund." So if the campaign actually gets funded and I get mine, when it inevitably doesn't even support my cell carrier I can just return it I guess, heh.
[18:43]  * keithzg is a cynic
[18:44] <w-flo> keithzg, I think that's a decent way to handle the situation :D
[18:50] <doanac> sergiusens: when deploying the new system images, phablet-flash calls wipe. However,that doesn't deal with the "developer mode" file. Should it delete that file as well?
[18:50] <doanac> or should I just remove that file when needed in our lab automation logic
[18:51] <sergiusens> doanac: yes it should, we had that conv with steve an hour ago :-) Should be solved with https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/revision-ub/+merge/177656
[18:51] <sergiusens> doanac: feel free to review that too :-)
[18:51] <doanac> sergiusens: will take a look. sorry to bug you on it again
[18:53] <awe> keithzg, who said "Yes, you can use the Edge on Verizon and Sprint?"
[18:53] <mfisch> sergiusens: have you built recovery and then installed it before? I'm stuck with a file called "recovery", but it's not in the right format apparently?
[18:53] <keithzg> awe: It was in the latest official campaign update email
[18:54] <awe> keithzg, ok
[18:54] <sergiusens> doanac: no worries!
[18:54] <glasen> Hi there. Just one question: The last time i've tested Ubuntu Touch on my Galaxy Nexus, i couldn't make any phone calls because the OS didn't ask for the PIN of my SIM-card. Is "bug" closed in recent images or do i have to remove PIN-protection before i can use Ubuntu Touch?
[18:54] <doanac> sergiusens: i've been using /userdata/developer_mode. is there a real difference?
[18:54] <sergiusens> mfisch: did you build it?
[18:54] <awe> glasen, there's no support in the GUI for entering a PIN yet, although it's being worked on
[18:54] <sergiusens> awe: apparently verizon is moving to LTE next year
[18:54] <mfisch> sergiusens: "make recovery", but it left me with an executable called recovery, not an img file
[18:55] <awe> glasen, that said it is possible to use a locked SIM using the ofono command-line scripts for now
[18:55] <glasen> @awe: Thanks for the quick answer.
[18:55] <awe> glasen, you only need enter the PIN @ boot time
[18:55] <sergiusens> doanac: from the MR? in recovery it's mounted as /data/
[18:55] <awe> check out the mailing list for an email from me with the subject "Preliminary SIM PIN Support"
[18:55] <sergiusens> doanac: which is where we delete it
[18:56] <keithzg> serguisens: Verizon already has tons of LTE coverage. In fact, the latest Nexus 7 model only supports Verizon's LTE network on 700, nothing else. Of course, my own carrier is 3G AWS only ( in Canada) and who the hell knows if the Edge will support that :P
[18:56] <sergiusens> mfisch: oh, I think the make targets for the .img are full paths
[18:56] <sergiusens> mfisch: something like make $OUT/recovery.img
[18:56] <doanac> sergiusens: ah - now i see. +1
[18:56] <sergiusens> mfisch: let me take a look
[18:57] <keithzg> serguisens: Err, to clarify, for the new Neuxus 7 I mean that for Verizon it only supports their LTE network on 700, not any other frequencies or methods.
[19:03] <guillermo> greetings.
[19:04] <Guest23634> so we arent able to access adb root on production devices?
[19:07] <mfisch> sergiusens: there's a target called recoveryimage
[19:07] <mfisch> but I'm missing a file needed to build it I think
[19:33] <janimo> w-flo, thanks. In my case /data is mounted though.  I have no UI yet. I'll look into it some more tomorrow
[20:30] <Joe_B> What's the current status of the docked experience for the Nexus 4?  Is there a youtube demo?
[20:30] <joeb> hi all
[20:30] <joeb> how is the progress for the ubuntu-touch for a galaxies s3
[20:35] <popey> sergiusens: (sorry for the delay) with the new image based update are you expecting there to be no swap?
[20:35] <popey> KiB Mem:   1916236 total,   809496 used,  1106740 free,     8476 buffers
[20:35] <popey> KiB Swap:        0 total,        0 used,        0 free,   538852 cached
[20:36] <sergiusens> popey: so that's more a question for stgraber :-)
[20:36] <popey> also.. sensorservice still ends up spinng
[20:36] <popey>   628 system    20   0  8056 1612 1252 S  98.4  0.1   1:40.77 sensorservice
[20:36] <popey> (unrelated of course)
[20:39] <popey> sergiusens: we also seem to have lost /var/log/installer/media-info ?
[20:39] <popey> i.e. how can I know what version of image I have?
[20:43] <sergiusens> popey: yup, doanac I think raised a bug for that too
[20:43] <sergiusens> popey: but that's also part of the image itself :-)
[20:55] <slangasek> sergiusens: hey, so is lp:~sergiusens/phablet-tools/flash_change the branch I should be watching for system-image support? :)
[20:56] <sergiusens> slangasek: no, just watch https://code.launchpad.net/~sergiusens/phablet-tools/revision-ub/+merge/177656
[20:56] <sergiusens> speaking of which
[20:56] <slangasek> sergiusens: ok!
[20:56] <sergiusens> is there anyone from the daily release team around?
[20:57] <slangasek> is that didrocks, or some other "daily release" team?
[20:57] <nexwave-mat> quick question, if I build ubuntu touch for a device with latest sync/tools is it going to be a new container build (IE: Ubuntu boot, then android)?
[20:58] <sergiusens> slangasek: yeah someone in his team
[20:58] <sergiusens> slangasek: I can't trigger releases
[20:58] <popey> sergiusens: i just did --revision 0, and my mako is sat at the google logo, has been for some minutes now
[20:59] <slangasek> nexwave-mat: I haven't done it, but TTBOMK when you port you're only building the per-device image; so by inference, if the current tools work at all, yes they're building for the current container approach :)
[20:59] <sergiusens> popey: hmmm... go back to recovery and check /cache/recovery/last_log
[20:59] <slangasek> sergiusens: yeah, didrocks should be here shortly
[21:00] <sergiusens> slangasek: can you tell him to daily release phablet-tools please if you see him?
[21:00] <slangasek> sergiusens: certainly
[21:00] <popey> sergiusens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5930471/
[21:00] <sergiusens> popey: as far as I can say the correct image was at least flashed
[21:01]  * popey reboots
[21:02] <slangasek> sergiusens: message relayed
[21:02] <sergiusens> thanks
[21:02] <w-flo> nexwave-mat, the android_build repo has some code that downloads and uses an ubuntu initramfs that will boot ubuntu instead of android.. so probably yes.
[21:04] <joeb> anyone ?
[21:04] <joeb> can i put ubuntu touch on my sgs3 ?
[21:05] <w-flo> joeb, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[21:05] <joeb> yes
[21:05] <joeb> mine isn't orange like the others
[21:05] <joeb> its solid black
[21:05] <joeb> is that good ?
[21:06] <w-flo> oh, the SGS3 maintainer just forgot the wikipedia link I guess
[21:06] <w-flo> click the "i9300" link next to it
[21:06] <joeb> its a d2vw
[21:06] <joeb> its verizon
[21:06] <joeb> VZ SGSIII d2vzw
[21:06] <joeb> that one
[21:06] <w-flo> oh. not sure then, if it is exactly the same hardware as SGS3 it should work..
[21:10] <slangasek> the carrier-branded ones are not always the same hardware
[21:10] <slangasek> and as you can sometimes brick them in the process, you really ought to get confirmation that the model uses the same build
[21:12] <Joe_B> joeb, even if the flash does work cdma is a work in progress, so you won't be able to use it as a phone at the moment.
[21:17] <joeb> coo
[21:17] <joeb> thats all i wanted to know
[21:17] <joeb> how are gsm phones
[21:17] <joeb> do they fully work ?
[21:20] <Joe_B> The officially supported devices are the nexus devices.  You can find info about what works and what does not for different phones here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices
[21:24] <sergiusens> popey: is it back?
[21:33] <slangasek> sergiusens: phablet-tools published to -proposed
[23:59] <lurker> hello