=== virusuy_ is now known as virusuy [01:17] oh btw it wasn't disqus it was discourse (i think that's what it's called) [05:56] hello all [06:52] Morning [06:52] \o popey [06:53] anyone in here using hostapd who can try something for me? brobostigon? [06:56] lo popey === Guest21494 is now known as graingert === graingert is now known as Guest38474 === Guest38474 is now known as graingert_ === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:30] Good morning peeps :) [08:30] good..splosh...drip..squelch...morning [08:30] meow [08:31] glub [08:31] o.O [08:31] somebody broke the weather here [08:31] good morning evryone, [08:31] Is it raining on you mungbean? [08:31] \o brobostigon [08:31] MartijnVdS: what is it? [08:31] morning MartijnVdS [08:32] brobostigon: You probably don't have wpa-enterprise set up, do you? [08:32] MartijnVdS: not as of yet, for real, only dont plans on paper, on the basis of what you blogged. [08:33] brobostigon: OK. Then you probably can't confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/freeradius/+bug/1206367 yet :) [08:33] Launchpad bug 1206367 in freeradius (Ubuntu) "radclient fails to validate Message-Authenticator on Disconnect-ACK packets" [Undecided,New] [08:33] brobostigon: (it requires a radius accounting-id, which requires WPA-Enterprise) [08:33] MartijnVdS: no, not yet, sorry. === Ivanka_ is now known as Ivanka [08:43] brobostigon: no problem === JamesTait is now known as Guest42887 [08:53] Good morning all, happy Paperback Book day! :-D [08:54] Good old Guest42887 [08:54] lol [08:54] not james at all. === Guest42887 is now known as JamesTait [09:11] people on my facebook feed seem to be liking "fan pages of famous people" e.g. Prince Harry. Guys it's not actually prince harry posting those diana pics!! [09:13] it's not? [09:13] AWW MAN [09:13] lol [09:13] I might as well delete my facebook now [09:14] SuperMatt: i've been trying that for years, I last 2 days [09:14] I actually don't mind using facebook [09:14] it's a path of least resistance [09:15] i like facebook as i have a huge family and a large wider circle of friends [09:15] me too [09:16] I kinda wish people would move to google+ though. It does all the same things, but does them better, imo [09:16] especially hangouts === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:20] g+ is for techie stuff, i never ever post on there though [09:20] not enough techies on there I actually have a relationship with [09:20] twitter is dead to me [09:20] mungbean: and photos [09:20] but it doesn't have to be only for techie stuff [09:20] the users tends to be geeks [09:20] .. for now [09:21] and ever more [09:21] fb is only for family/school/kids clubs for me [09:21] fb is better than ebay for me now [09:21] popey goes to a kids club?! [09:21] buying /selling swapping [09:21] I'm totes jelly! [09:21] ballet [09:21] i knew it [09:21] popey goes to ballet? [09:21] popey: did you see my accidental piucture of you i drew? [09:21] no [09:21] no [09:22] my daughter was in the all england final on sunday [09:22] was doodling on the phone [09:22] then realised i'd drawn a popey [09:22] didn't get placed, but still in the top 10 in the country [09:23] http://i.imgur.com/cZ3gL5z.jpg [09:23] thats me? [09:23] when you had chops [09:23] do you still have chops [09:24] just asked wifey [09:24] she said it's not far off [09:24] and i should be pleased with the stick body [09:24] maybe its the guy from the moneysupermarket ad [09:25] maybe it's both [09:30] Patrick stewart? [09:30] thats actually what my body looks like [09:30] mungbean: patrick stewart? [09:30] lol, timing [09:31] are we randomly saying words? Burt Reynolds? [09:31] bit too much hair to be him :) [09:31] the guy from the moneysupermarket ads [09:31] "FEEL EPIC!" [09:31] there was an ad with popey in it [09:32] hah I'd not spotted it [09:32] was about a year ago, but en mass the whole irc came online and said he was in an ad [09:32] hahaha just found it on youtube [09:33] amazing [09:33] link? [09:33] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiqAPN-HxYY although they've spoofed the voiceover [09:34] LOL [09:36] brian may has such ridciulous hair [09:36] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFxpiczpjj8 [09:42] can you imagine him without it though? I can't [09:44] shauno: Patrick Stewart [09:46] well, I can't really imagine him *with* hair (in any significant quantity, anyway) [09:46] i claudius [09:46] but brian may has basically looked the same my entire life. he's just rocking a different colour scheme now [09:46] https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=patrick+stewart+i+claudius&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&gws_rd=cr&redir_esc=&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=eIv3UfOMM8WY1AXo4IBQ&biw=1170&bih=474&sei=e4v3Ub26JOSx0QXm_ICADg [09:47] okay, that just looks wrong [09:47] he's better off shiny [09:48] more distinguished [09:48] I have recently watched all the episodes of TNG [09:49] and I confess there weren't many good ones [09:49] I'm now on Voyager and enjoying that a lot more [09:49] I got all the original cast films on blu ray recently, so that'll get rewatched [09:49] then I want to rewatch DS9 [09:50] blue-ray, wow, haven't heard that i ages [09:50] (that's first, I mean - I want to rewatch the whole lot at some point :) [09:51] has anyone used usicmagpie to clear their stuff? [09:51] *musicmagpie [09:51] nope [09:52] weird. i appear to be reading a forum where every member (90%+) is male, but they use female avatars in the forum [09:52] ... [09:52] but not famous ones [09:52] are you sure you're not on a transgender forum? [09:52] just regular looking females, maybe their wives, or maybe they just like average looking females [09:53] i used to use bubbles from the powerpuff girls as my forum avatar [09:53] its an aircraft modelling site [09:53] * popey waits patiently for his phone number to migrate from ee to giffgaff [09:53] i understand the amypond, clara images, [09:53] and rachel riley [09:54] ah, maybe they're pictures of girls from lads mags [09:55] i think the others are just their girlfriends/wives [09:55] but thats not you. its your SO, so its a bit weird on a forum [09:55] because you think there's women posting [09:59] they are working on some super hi density blue ray replace ment 50gb for current double layer these will be a lot more than that [09:59] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/30/sony_and_panasonic_promise_300gb_bluray_replacement_by_2015/ [10:21] Morning all [10:27] what's happening hen i type exit on a terminal tab and it doesn't exit? [10:28] jsut hangs at exit, can't ctrl-c but have to close the tab [10:37] http://fossforce.com/2013/07/whats-your-favorite-foss-or-linux-blog/ === michelle is now known as Guest57840 [10:37] i clicked "other" and voted for http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/ :D [10:38] most blogs require reading :/ [10:38] never heard of the others [10:39] "We’re expecting the “Other” option to win, and win big, because that’s where you can go off-list to write-in your favorite personal FOSS or Linux blog." === Ivanka_ is now known as Ivanka [10:39] thats the strangest survey know to man [10:40] "In other words, we’re not talking about the big websites that cover GNU/Linux and the FOSS world. " [10:40] so what the heck do they mean? [10:40] individuals i guess [10:41] phoronix was an individual wasn't it? [10:41] yes [10:41] "We’re also not talking about the great Linux information sites such as Linux Magazine, Phoronix, LWN and too many more to mention" [10:41] i know ☻ [10:42] i suspect they mean personal blogs which aren't paid to be run [10:42] i think they mean, tell us about blogs with your name in. e.g. barry's blog [10:42] yeah [10:42] "A blog site must be the personal site of a single writer/blogger" [10:49] blog.popey.com [10:50] i visit tumbleweed a lot [10:55] its a bit repetitive though [11:00] did you guys see this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22812944 [11:00] mungbean: yeah, sugru blogged about it [11:01] Completely offtopic, Anybody with Sky TV and a HD subscription, I'm looking at asking for the free Sky multiroom box to put in another room, I know I'll have to pay an extra £11 ish for the multiroom subscription, but wondered if you have to pay a 2nd HD subscription [11:02] From what I've read, when they started multiroom HD you did have to pay, but you don't anymore [11:13] somebody just posted "80% of a child's intelligence is from the mother" as a "scientific fact" [11:13] :-| [11:15] mungbean: heh [11:16] mornin' mungbean [11:16] err [11:16] mornin' mrevell [11:16] hey up [11:16] mgdm, Your book should be with you in a couple of days. [11:17] mrevell: nice one, thanks again! [11:17] No worries :) [11:17] mgdm: did you ever make dioramas when you made models? [11:18] there's a new perk - founder with style [11:18] can I get two perks? :-p [11:18] I want the Tee [11:19] "this stylish shirt" where? [11:19] £50 aint gonna solve the problem though [11:21] mungbean: never quite got that far, sadly [11:22] very tempted by these little airfields http://www.amera.co.uk/product.php?range=s [11:22] not sure what the grass effect is though [11:23] looks like the same powdery stuff you used for Warhammer and the like [11:27] wow http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i442/ianrwalker/JS-2/DSC_0650.jpg [11:33] when does the amazon free super saver delivery end? [11:34] new perk added - get a t-shirt! http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge/x/1051579 [11:41] mungbean: hornby powdered grass I would imagine if it is airfix style models, or a prebuilt base with the effect already on. [11:42] Fish finger sandwich for lunch! [11:47] yum! [11:47] * MartijnVdS gives popey some custard [11:48] ☻ [11:50] davmor2: do you glue powdered grass on? [11:51] mungbean: I think you pva the area and shape you want and then put the grass on. They be a video online I'm sure [11:51] cool ta [11:57] remember when mailing list users used to put linux user number #3044305 on their sig lol [11:58] there was some self appointed website where they gave you a number [12:03] it still exists [12:03] http://linuxcounter.net/main.html [12:03] as does http://ubuntucounter.geekosophical.net/ [12:05] lol, from the second of those: "Lucid Lynx is the current development version. It is NOT stable yet, and will not be until late April 2010. It will be LTS." [12:05] heh [12:10] The New LinuxCounter Project was created in order to revive and replace the good old linux counter project on counter.li.org. [12:10] ah that rings a bell [12:11] http://linuxcounter.net/charts/_stats_when_users_started.png?1375186187 [12:11] registrations tending to zero. === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:43] meanwhile http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/120512-google-activating-1-5m-android-devices-per-day-keeping-steady-growth-in-2013 [12:45] wow, see this cliff falling over? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2oEyCyk3as [12:57] maplin are getting the leapmotion thingy [12:57] http://www.maplin.co.uk/leapmotion [12:57] £69.99, not a bad price [12:58] indeed [12:59] interesting, i wonder what sw support there is. [12:59] http://www.ubuntuvibes.com/2013/03/the-leap-motion-controller-now-supports.html <-- works with ubuntu [12:59] can i use it to play touchscreen games on my non-touchscreen? [13:00] diddledan: if it works in ubuntu, it must thus work in debian also ? [13:00] brobostigon: I guess potentially,yeah [13:00] debian and ubuntu and mostly pretty much the same underneath. [13:01] arrgh bacula client is rather crashy === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [13:03] it looks like the "supports linux" is actually "can support linux if you code it for us" [13:03] it's an SDK that supports linux so softwares that utilise the sdk need to be written [13:04] ah. [13:06] i have seen it used on ubuntu [13:07] it certainly is an interesting concept. [13:28] Hmm. "Someone" should port ScummVM to Ubuntu Touch [13:28] well volunteered, that man [13:29] what extra work is required? [13:29] no idea [13:29] some kind of qml frontend/launcher I imagine [13:31] scummvm - engine for several graphical adventure games [13:31] it's in the repo, built for arm [13:38] popey: I thought the scummvm frontend was qt based already [13:43] popey: meh maybe not wxwindows by the look of it === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:37] when you feel this tired , i wonder whether working or pretending to work is more tiring [14:38] worrying about how little you're doing due to being so tired is tiring [14:38] having your boss sit 4 feet behind your screen with a direct sight onto it is tiring [14:38] so i run 4 screens [14:39] i remember having some irc thing that embedded itself within ms word back in the day [14:39] maybe it was a theme for mirc [14:40] i run irc in a terminal with veeeery small text [14:40] ctrl-- about 3 times below normal === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:43] mungbean: one terminal with matrix run at all times I know how you operate ;) [14:43] lolz [14:46] mungbean: but boss it's compiling look...............carry on [14:46] think i'm got something. feel nauseous, headache, tired [14:46] for 3 days [14:47] no alcohol involved [14:47] Mayb ethat is the problem... :) [14:49] produces similar effects [15:12] oooh sunshine! [15:14] rain [15:24] rain all morning here [15:24] quite happy for that though :D [15:25] my christmas tree died :( [15:29] rain came to late [15:29] mungbean: you shouldn't have bought it 5 months early [15:30] doh [15:45] well that or watered it [15:46] yes..and that.. [15:46] i was busy for 2 weekends..it kiled it [15:51] ok smartypantses [15:52] why does Sparkleshare not show up in the unity dash? what's special about its .desktop file? [15:54] Heh, just increased the services we get from sky and reduced the bill :) [15:56] Add multiroom, get free receiver for an extra £11, sign up to another 12 months broadband and save £7, get sky go extra included with the multiroom and save £5, net saving £1 [15:57] directhex: I don't know what's the contents of it's .desktop file? [16:12] decided to teach myself about sockets and threading by writing an irc bot. Great success [16:18] hello :) [16:24] hi [16:29] does snyone know the irc thing for powerpc macs [16:30] why is there no default association for .deb in firefox? [16:34] would it not be bad to give users the idea that downloading deb's is the way to go? [16:37] i thought debs opened with USC [16:37] they do here anyway [16:38] directhex: they do here too [16:38] popey, they do from nautilus, not firefox [16:38] firefox uses its own list of file associations, because bees [16:39] \o/ bees === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [16:40] does firefox associate based on mime type rather than extension? [16:40] WiFi confused bees :( [16:49] pretty much every time someone says "bees" it makes me think of mitchell & webb [16:49] I used to find that in Firefox, if you said 'Open with...' and then didn't bother to choose an app, it let the desktop env decide itself [16:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vVG8GI2INw [16:51] BEES! [16:57] hahaha [16:58] popey: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs-tl6GBOBo [16:58] Beeeeeeeeeeeeees [17:01] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbyhRnu0UQg#at=45 bees. [17:02] *points between V and N on all your keyboards* [17:03] daftykins: bdkh? [17:04] one row man, one row! [17:04] daftykins: that'd be bk or dh? [17:05] you're being mr. non-qwerty-awkward aren't you :( [17:05] this does not amuse [17:05] yup :( [17:05] lol [17:06] http://colemak.com/wiki/images/8/80/Colemak_layout_2.png :P [17:06] single height enter >_< [17:07] well mine isn't single height :P [17:07] mm-hmm [17:07] i find changing layouts crazy talk [17:10] daftykins: https://www.dropbox.com/s/9xfz7z4k499pknu/2013-07-30%2018.07.48.jpg [17:25] AlanBell: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/creating-a-99-parallel-computing-machine-is-just-as-hard-as-it-sounds/ === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD [17:41] popey, I like the pronouncement that "people should buy both [a pi and a parallela] [17:43] the parallela would probably make a half-way decent mythtv backend if mythtv had some work put in to utilise the epiphany for video transcoding/clipping [17:44] looks like adapteva want to be the next ARM: "Our goal is to have one of the big semiconductor vendors license our IP" === RaycisCharles is now known as SirCrispinTheJew [20:00] quiet tonight [20:00] sshhh [20:00] sorry [20:00] i've been watching les revenants [20:00] who's he? [20:27] popey: Elions is a friend of mine running a bitcoin related podcast that's gaining traction, was hoping he could pick your brain for a bit, do you have any advice about what sites to get listed on so you're in podcast apps rss feeds, and any clever tricks he could do for hosting? [20:28] Woop [20:52] Azelphur: Elions hello! [20:52] howdy :) [20:53] first two places I'd ensure you're listed is itunes and gpodder.net [20:53] popey: Is Itunes hard to get listed in? [20:54] nope [20:54] stupidly easy [20:54] http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1819 [20:55] popey: I've caught on pretty quick that I can't just put a podcast whenever and expect it to get the same ammount of traffic, any tips on when I should post them or am I just being paranoid on that? [20:55] be regular [20:55] weekly is good [20:56] keep production value as high as possible [20:56] yeah [20:56] That's what we're working on at the moment really [20:56] we record two episodes every two weeks, and put them out weekly [20:56] Already got a better recording program. Working on a better site (stil waiting on someone who can make a template) [20:56] so there's always a weekly episode but we only record every other week [20:56] Huh [20:56] (make sure you don't sound like you're being chased by a pack of wild 747s :P) [20:56] the site matters less [20:56] people generally subscribe and dont visit the site [20:57] needs to be easy to a) find episodes, b) subscribe, and that's about it [20:57] popey: What about lenght of the podcasts? [20:57] unless you really care about engagement [20:57] ours are 30 mins per episode [20:57] Elions: learn about compression and normalisation (not "compression" like "mp3" but like "squishing the waveforms"-ish :) [20:57] I also take it an RSS feed is a must [20:57] Elions: 30 minutes to 1 hour seems to be a sweet spot for a lot of people I know, that's an average commute [20:58] Elions: it is [20:58] yes, if you have no RSS feed then it's not a podcast ☻ [20:58] Yeah... That's one thing we've been sorely missing. Somehow I keep forgetting to set one up [20:58] I'll probably set it up proper tonight. [20:58] Still doing research for the next podcast episode. [20:59] will itunes even accept you if you don't have a feed? [20:59] no [20:59] popey: the thing with RSS feed, is that it kinda depends on the site right? I assume you're using wordpress to generate your feed? [20:59] Azelphur: blogger.com can also do it [20:59] we use wordpress + podpress [20:59] many sites can do it [20:59] I see [20:59] Azelphur: most blog engines can do podcasting stuff these days [20:59] Would a Django website be able to do it? [20:59] Elions: yes. [21:00] if you write it like that [21:01] django is a bit lower-level than wordpress or drupal or something like that [21:01] So we should probably stick with wordpress? [21:01] MartijnVdS: yea, I said I could handle everything for him besides the template, or he can stick with wordpress :) [21:01] (but he wants a custom template, and writing one for django is going to be much less involved than for wordpress) [21:03] Elions: my assessment is that if you want a custom template, then go django route and I'll do the backend coding, if don't want a custom template, I'd stick with wordpress. :) [21:03] Azelphur: I just don't want the site to look default really [21:04] popey: What about where to host the podcast? We were using Soundcloud but we ran into a bit of an issue since it limits the ammount of minutes you can use [21:04] we have a vps [21:05] and host ogg and mp3 versions of our show on it [21:05] yea, I thought you hosted locally, that's no issue, I can host that :) [21:05] VPSes can be had for a few £/month [21:05] popey: outta curiosity, how much bw do you pull? [21:05] we also have a setup which distributes content to mirrors [21:05] or a few bt¢/month [21:05] but that's possibly overkill [21:05] (µbtc?) [21:05] MartijnVdS: my server costs a tad more than a few £/mo ;) [21:05] a simple vps should be enough [21:06] popey: what sort of bandwidth requirements, I assume <100GB for a simple VPS? [21:06] hard to tell [21:06] we have mirrors [21:06] Hmm [21:06] so cant tell you how much traffic we burn [21:06] Azelphur: depends on number of listeners. [21:06] ah [21:06] actually i can [21:06] popey: rough estimates? [21:06] Azelphur: keep the episodes to 20-30MB, and keep an eye on the stats to see if you need to upgrade [21:07] MartijnVdS: I doubt I'll need to upgrade, we have 10TB/mo InterNAP NYC tier 1, just wanna know what I'm getting myself into ;) [21:08] * mgdm sets up his RasPi so his gf can learn Python on it [21:08] something like 200G per episode [21:08] cool, yea that'll be fine [21:08] we get about 5-6K downloads per episode [21:09] which is low for most mainstream podcasts [21:09] good, won't put much of a dent in mysetup then :) [21:09] popey: you should get the W-C back, listeners will follow ;) [21:09] hah [21:11] popey: have you seen subbable.com? [21:11] I'll be back in a moment [21:11] gotta turn on the stove over here... It's so cold I might as well be living in an igloo [21:11] popey: they're trying to get the American "NPR model" to web communities (2 youtube channels atm, but they've just started, and want it to be for all kinds of communities eventually) [21:12] Elions: cold? [21:13] Elions: where is "here"? [21:13] Chile [21:13] oh nice. [21:13] MartijnVdS: seems i have seen that as I have https://subbable.com/crashcourse in my browser history [21:14] cgpgrey is on there now as well [21:17] thats quite neat [21:20] Hmmm. RPI does not like a Mac keyboard [21:21] BT or wired? [21:21] wired. I suspect it requires more juice. It kept connecting and disconnecting during boot [21:31] moar milliamps! [21:41] Back [21:59] I have a new pet spider, he seems to like hanging around on #django and #django-cms, http://imgur.com/Je6SBDa [21:59] which makes sense, because web programming. [21:59] /o\ [23:02] hi guys is it OK if i post a link to the "open rights group" (British EFF) petition to try and stop UK internet censorship? === Hornet- is now known as Hornet