| brousch | old laptop | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| brousch | I don't see a practical use for that thing | 00:01 |
| jrwren | $45 beagle bone black runs full ubuntu | 00:52 |
| jrwren | only $10 more than rpi typeb | 00:52 |
| brousch | hehe http://www.frompythonimportpodcast.com/2013/07/30/not-quite-dead-yet | 12:15 |
| snap-l | Yeah, Mike was mentioning he wanted to get the podcast back underway | 12:27 |
| brousch | I bugged him about it Friday night when we were hanging out in the lounge | 12:31 |
| rick_h | yea, he tried to get some bits going but doesn't have permission to the server he had hoped | 12:32 |
| rick_h | jrwren: what's the 'irrational dislike' thing? It comes across as part joke part confusion | 12:39 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I have a 12 step program for overcoming irrational dislike | 12:40 |
| snap-l | 1: Watch Fox news | 12:40 |
| snap-l | 2: Dremel out your prefrontal cortex | 12:41 |
| snap-l | 3-12: ... | 12:42 |
| snap-l | Congratulations! You have overcome your fear of irrational dislike. | 12:43 |
| * snap-l is going to try the DEF CON Radio Music for Hacking channel on Soma.fm | 12:44 | |
| snap-l | Also: I like big banks and I cannot lie | 12:46 |
| snap-l | Those fees I can't deny | 12:46 |
| rick_h | ouch http://missingm.co/2013/07/identical-droplets-in-the-digitalocean-regenerate-your-ubuntu-ssh-host-keys-now/ | 12:50 |
| rick_h | as D/O came up at pyohio | 12:51 |
| snap-l | Nice. | 12:52 |
| snap-l | Sounds like something that the good guys are just finding out about and the bad guys knew all along | 12:52 |
| brousch | Dangit | 12:55 |
| brousch | We moved the Grand Rapids Localwiki to DO a month or two ago | 12:56 |
| rick_h | update those keys! | 12:56 |
| snap-l | brousch: Congratulations. | 12:56 |
| snap-l | This is also awesome for shared hosting. :) | 12:56 |
| snap-l | And passing around virtualbox / vagrant images | 12:57 |
| snap-l | Wonder if it also affects LXC containers. | 12:57 |
| rick_h | it was specific to the ubuntu images DO used | 12:58 |
| snap-l | Right, but I'm curious how many images are out there that don't regen keys | 12:58 |
| snap-l | ie: on init regen fingerprint / server keys | 12:59 |
| jrwren | irrational dislike... becasue... wel... i have no idea. | 12:59 |
| jrwren | its confusion I suppose. | 12:59 |
| snap-l | seems a shortcut that some might not know they're taking | 12:59 |
| jrwren | sometimes i feel like my dislike of certain things is not rational. then i remember that it probably is rational and when it isn't shared by others its becuase htey are irrational or have vastly different experience than me. | 13:00 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I think part of it is folks don't know any better | 13:00 |
| snap-l | ie: my dislike of Windows having come from Linux / Macintosh | 13:01 |
| jrwren | it was actually quicken loans which inspired the two tweets. I just used other things which i also disliek | 13:01 |
| snap-l | It's OK to dislike Quicken Loans | 13:02 |
| snap-l | their advertising really turned me off back in the day. | 13:02 |
| jrwren | I think I need reminding that bad company can still do good things. | 13:02 |
| brousch | I have an immediate dislike of them because I have Quicken and Quickbooks | 13:02 |
| snap-l | It's also like my dislike of Focus Hope and other "charitable orgs" in Detroit | 13:02 |
| brousch | I hate, not have | 13:02 |
| snap-l | There's money to be made in prolonging the problem | 13:03 |
| jrwren | quicken loans has zero affiliation with quicken software | 13:03 |
| brousch | But it has the same name | 13:03 |
| brousch | It's an example of an irrational dislike | 13:04 |
| jrwren | yes, there is a stupid aquisition spinoff story around that. | 13:04 |
| jrwren | so this is a nice story: http://keithelder.net/2013/07/29/meet-quicken-loans-intern-waleed-johnson-future-mayor-of-detroit/ | 13:04 |
| jrwren | and it reminds me that i like their approach to building everything themselves. they don't buy off hte shelf solutions. | 13:04 |
| jrwren | adn I think that is cool, but htey are so koolaide oriented, and their sales team is more aggressive than any used car salesmen I've met. | 13:05 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Compuware is another one | 13:06 |
| snap-l | They're building amazing things in Detroit | 13:06 |
| snap-l | but their consulting arm and software leave a bit to be desired | 13:07 |
| rick_h | jrwren: meh, I say run with it. What's it matter in the end? You're a creature of your history and if you don't use quicken loans how is your life significantly changed? | 13:07 |
| jrwren | its not. | 13:08 |
| jrwren | I think you are right. it is all good. | 13:08 |
| jrwren | some occasional self doubt is healthy. I'll move on. | 13:08 |
| rick_h | seems to me you're wasting more time/worry about having irriational feelings than it's worth | 13:08 |
| jrwren | rick_h: right on. i'm moving on. | 13:08 |
| snap-l | Heh | 13:09 |
| rick_h | jrwren: all good, hate on, that's my motto :) | 13:09 |
| jrwren | haters gonna hate. | 13:09 |
| jrwren | don't hate the hater, hate the hatee | 13:09 |
| jrwren | on that note... anyone seen http://www.datomic.com/ ? | 13:09 |
| jrwren | i'm thinking it is snake oil :) | 13:09 |
| rick_h | http://www.datomic.com/uploads/3/5/9/7/3597326/6646785_orig.jpg scares me | 13:10 |
| rick_h | 'so where did my query go bad?' | 13:10 |
| jrwren | a lot of things about it scare me. | 13:10 |
| jrwren | a trusted person told me it is awesome. | 13:10 |
| rick_h | everything is awesome for some use case I guess | 13:11 |
| jrwren | i read a bit, and I htink it is interesting, and see so many points where I would not do it that way :) | 13:11 |
| jrwren | great point. | 13:11 |
| snap-l | Their overview reads like a requirements document that came from offshore | 13:11 |
| snap-l | Wow this gets expensive quick. | 13:12 |
| snap-l | Is Datomic just for JVM languages? | 13:13 |
| snap-l | At the moment, yes. We have ideas for how to enable Datomic on non-JVM languages while preserving as much of the embedded power as possible. Stay tuned for future developments. | 13:13 |
| rick_h | ugh, chromecast is coming on the slow boat from china. Shipping notice two days ago, today UPS says it'll show up on monday. | 13:16 |
| rick_h | laptops from china ship faster than this | 13:16 |
| snap-l | Patience grasshopper. | 13:17 |
| snap-l | That's two days before you were previously promised. | 13:17 |
| jrwren | yeah, I think datomic might be a great idea, but i wish it were open source ;) | 13:28 |
| jrwren | i'm watching this presentation for it, it is not bad. | 13:29 |
| jrwren | http://oredev.org/2012/sessions/exploring-datomic-a-database-deconstructed | 13:29 |
| jrwren | some of the design decisions I really like. | 13:29 |
| rick_h | :( http://blog.canonical.com/2013/07/30/ubuntu-forums-are-back-up-and-a-post-mortem/ | 17:46 |
| rick_h | and salted and hashed (using md5) passwords for 1.82 million users | 17:46 |
| brousch | What took you so long? | 17:47 |
| rick_h | ? | 17:47 |
| rick_h | what took me what so long? | 17:47 |
| greg-g | where "you" == "Canonical" | 17:48 |
| brousch | Right | 17:48 |
| rick_h | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/e-inkey-dynamic-keyboard | 17:59 |
| rick_h | hah! so e-ink > oled | 18:00 |
| rick_h | man, if it was 10less I'd be tempted for a travel keyboard | 18:00 |
| brousch | That's kind of cool | 18:08 |
| brousch | But you'd have to look at your keyboard to notice it | 18:08 |
| brousch | rick_h: Do you look at your keyboarD? | 18:08 |
| rick_h | brousch: no, but what's that got to do with anything :P | 18:09 |
| brousch | What's the point of changing keys if you never see them? | 18:10 |
| brousch | What Ting device should I get? https://ting.com/devices/buy | 18:15 |
| jrwren | iphone | 18:15 |
| snap-l | brousch: JoDee likes her Galaxy Nexus | 18:16 |
| rick_h | the gnex is going long in the tooth though | 18:16 |
| snap-l | Seems to be a nice balance between good phone and OMG I paid how much? | 18:16 |
| rick_h | end of year I'm ditching mine. Will be tough to keep up on software for two more years | 18:16 |
| greg-g | gah! stupid apple keyboard design :( | 18:16 |
| brousch | greg-g: You misspelled stupendous again | 18:17 |
| snap-l | Heh | 18:17 |
| rick_h | either the HTC One or GS4 if you're going to hold onto it for a while | 18:18 |
| rick_h | but new phones coming out here in the fall :/ | 18:18 |
| rick_h | which one will they let you get 4.3 on? | 18:19 |
| * greg-g kicks brousch | 18:19 | |
| brousch | I assume Galaxy Nexus will get 4.3 | 18:19 |
| rick_h | I'm not sure how it gets out. It's not asop so you have to get carrier updates | 18:19 |
| rick_h | I won't get 4.3 on my galaxy nexus on verizon for months if at all | 18:20 |
| rick_h | not sure how ting/galaxy fit together | 18:20 |
| snap-l | I'm not sure if JoDee's Galaxy Nexus is on 4.2 yet | 18:20 |
| snap-l | I haven't checked honestly | 18:20 |
| rick_h | ugh, I did get 4.2 from verizon after about 6mo | 18:20 |
| snap-l | But you're getting 4.1 at least | 18:20 |
| brousch | Can I run CyanogenMod on my Ting device? | 18:20 |
| snap-l | I don't see any reason why not | 18:21 |
| snap-l | https://help.ting.com/home | 18:22 |
| snap-l | Seems to be tolerated, if not approved | 18:22 |
| snap-l | https://help.ting.com/entries/25040602-Unlocking-the-HTC-one-GSM | 18:23 |
| rick_h | does the google phone come with ting radios? | 18:24 |
| rick_h | per that link ^^? | 18:24 |
| snap-l | I don't know | 18:24 |
| snap-l | My assumption is because we haven't seen a Nexus 4 device it might not work. | 18:25 |
| brousch | S4 looks really nice | 18:25 |
| snap-l | https://help.ting.com/entries/23867307-Can-we-BYOD-a-Nexus-4-from-Google-Play- | 18:25 |
| snap-l | short answer- not yet. | 18:25 |
| rick_h | jcastro: how's your phone thing working out? | 18:26 |
| rick_h | didn't you go to ting's sister...I mean alternate on t-mobile and BYOD? | 18:26 |
| snap-l | brousch: Re: best phone: if I were looking to buy a new phone I'd get the Galaxy Nexus for now and then resell it to get the new hotness when Fall arrives | 18:28 |
| snap-l | or buy one refurbed | 18:29 |
| snap-l | https://ting.com/devices/used | 18:29 |
| snap-l | I like my Galaxy SII Epic 4G Touch Championship Edition 2 Turbo Orta | 18:30 |
| jcastro | rick_h: mine is simplemobile | 18:30 |
| jcastro | rick_h: tldr; $90 a month total for jill and I | 18:30 |
| rick_h | jcastro: ah right. I was thinking simple but confused with the bank | 18:30 |
| rick_h | BYOD and happy camper? | 18:30 |
| jcastro | for sure | 18:32 |
| jcastro | $299 BYO Nexus | 18:32 |
| jcastro | you don't even need the spreadsheet to figure it out | 18:32 |
| jcastro | however I switched before tmo's new BYOD flat plans | 18:33 |
| jcastro | and their new "$10 a month extra upgrade to any phone twice." thing | 18:33 |
| jcastro | which looks like a good deal | 18:33 |
| snap-l | Yeah, my only complaint about Ting is Sprint has a dead zone that is essentially my house | 18:35 |
| snap-l | AT&T, TMobile also had problems there | 18:35 |
| * rick_h wonders if any nexus devices support that t-mobile wifi calling stuff. | 18:35 | |
| rick_h | get around some of that at home | 18:36 |
| snap-l | If I face east while performing a downward dog scissor maneuver< i think I can get one extra bar of reception | 18:36 |
| snap-l | I've seriously considered getting an Airave, but that's $250 to work around Sprint's problem | 18:37 |
| rick_h | yea | 18:37 |
| rick_h | looks like there's apps to use with Google voice to be able to do wifi calling. might work on ting/sprint as well? https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/41526?start=0&tstart=0 | 18:37 |
| rick_h | if you use your google voice as primary phone # | 18:37 |
| brousch | ahahahah, Ting can import my last 3 verizon bills into their calculator. Verizon has to love that | 18:37 |
| brousch | I will only save $82/mo with Ting | 18:38 |
| snap-l | rick_h: Hm, that's an option | 18:38 |
| jrwren | saving $82/mo is a lot! | 18:39 |
| snap-l | brousch: Only? :) | 18:39 |
| brousch | </sarcasm> | 18:40 |
| jcastro | that's 3.2 new nexuses you could buy a year | 18:40 |
| brousch | Buying 2 gnex's it comes out to about $600/yr | 18:40 |
| jcastro | or one awesome ubuntu edge pledge! | 18:40 |
| snap-l | So four bills and you'll almost have paid for the Nexus | 18:41 |
| brousch | Yeah. I don't see how I could not do this | 18:42 |
| snap-l | Plus you could get a referral code for $25 off your first device | 18:42 |
| jcastro | you don't even need to buy a new nexus a year | 18:42 |
| jcastro | because they backport new android to the previous model too | 18:42 |
| jcastro | so even if you go "every other nexus", which is what Jill and I do, you save the money | 18:43 |
| snap-l | https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ | 18:43 |
| snap-l | And if it doesn't work ouot, you can cancel at any time | 18:44 |
| brousch | Well my wife needs a phone too, so the other Nexus would be hers | 18:45 |
| snap-l | Yep | 18:45 |
| snap-l | JoDee, her dad, and I are on the same plan | 18:45 |
| snap-l | averages $50 a month | 18:45 |
| snap-l | that said, I was also having lovely connectivity issues down in Ohio | 18:46 |
| snap-l | 4G would start up, and then crap out | 18:46 |
| snap-l | I believe this is because Ohio hates me | 18:46 |
| snap-l | Even though I have shown it nothing but love | 18:46 |
| snap-l | Well, most of the time | 18:47 |
| brousch | I had fun in my hotel room, but mostly with wireless | 18:47 |
| snap-l | I did besmirch their stupid Buckeye mascott | 18:47 |
| brousch | I was at the nd of the hall, then turn left and at the end of the little hall | 18:47 |
| brousch | I had no wifi by the window, but if I sat by the door I had 3 bars | 18:47 |
| snap-l | Yeah, that hotel had strange wifi | 18:48 |
| snap-l | Made browsing in the can a real pain | 18:48 |
| snap-l | (TMI) | 18:48 |
| brousch | Hm. No SD card on the gnex | 18:50 |
| rick_h | no sdcard on nexus anything from what I recall | 18:51 |
| snap-l | No SD card on any Nexus AFAIK | 18:51 |
| brousch | barbaric! | 18:52 |
| brousch | I'll probably go with the S4 | 18:52 |
| brousch | gnex for the wife | 18:52 |
| snap-l | ++ | 18:54 |
| brousch | snap-l: What's your referal code? | 18:55 |
| snap-l | https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ | 18:55 |
| * snap-l should make a bitly short link for that. :) | 18:56 | |
| rick_h | it'll be just as long :P | 18:56 |
| snap-l | Yeah, but then I could call it "TingCraig" or something | 18:56 |
| snap-l | SomeTingForCraig | 18:57 |
| brousch | I used yours instead of Linux Action Show's | 19:00 |
| brousch | I ended up getting the SIII | 19:07 |
| snap-l | I really appreciate it | 19:11 |
| snap-l | Thanks! | 19:11 |
| snap-l | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9058804/writers%20block.jpg | 19:23 |
| brousch | You deserve it. You were the first person I heard it from | 19:25 |
| snap-l | Hopefully you won't want to smack me nex titme we see each other. :) | 19:32 |
| brousch | Well we have a year for the rage to build | 19:33 |
| brousch | Crap. I forgot the Stardock game t-shirts | 19:33 |
| snap-l | Ah, no worries | 19:37 |
| snap-l | if you want to drop them into a priority mail box, I'll pay shipping | 19:37 |
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