[00:00] old laptop [00:01] I don't see a practical use for that thing [00:52] $45 beagle bone black runs full ubuntu [00:52] only $10 more than rpi typeb [12:15] hehe http://www.frompythonimportpodcast.com/2013/07/30/not-quite-dead-yet [12:27] Yeah, Mike was mentioning he wanted to get the podcast back underway [12:31] I bugged him about it Friday night when we were hanging out in the lounge [12:32] yea, he tried to get some bits going but doesn't have permission to the server he had hoped [12:39] jrwren: what's the 'irrational dislike' thing? It comes across as part joke part confusion [12:40] jrwren: I have a 12 step program for overcoming irrational dislike [12:40] 1: Watch Fox news [12:41] 2: Dremel out your prefrontal cortex [12:42] 3-12: ... [12:43] Congratulations! You have overcome your fear of irrational dislike. [12:44] * snap-l is going to try the DEF CON Radio Music for Hacking channel on Soma.fm [12:46] Also: I like big banks and I cannot lie [12:46] Those fees I can't deny [12:50] ouch http://missingm.co/2013/07/identical-droplets-in-the-digitalocean-regenerate-your-ubuntu-ssh-host-keys-now/ [12:51] as D/O came up at pyohio [12:52] Nice. [12:52] Sounds like something that the good guys are just finding out about and the bad guys knew all along [12:55] Dangit [12:56] We moved the Grand Rapids Localwiki to DO a month or two ago [12:56] update those keys! [12:56] brousch: Congratulations. [12:56] This is also awesome for shared hosting. :) [12:57] And passing around virtualbox / vagrant images [12:57] Wonder if it also affects LXC containers. [12:58] it was specific to the ubuntu images DO used [12:58] Right, but I'm curious how many images are out there that don't regen keys [12:59] ie: on init regen fingerprint / server keys [12:59] irrational dislike... becasue... wel... i have no idea. [12:59] its confusion I suppose. [12:59] seems a shortcut that some might not know they're taking [13:00] sometimes i feel like my dislike of certain things is not rational. then i remember that it probably is rational and when it isn't shared by others its becuase htey are irrational or have vastly different experience than me. [13:00] jrwren: I think part of it is folks don't know any better [13:01] ie: my dislike of Windows having come from Linux / Macintosh [13:01] it was actually quicken loans which inspired the two tweets. I just used other things which i also disliek [13:02] It's OK to dislike Quicken Loans [13:02] their advertising really turned me off back in the day. [13:02] I think I need reminding that bad company can still do good things. [13:02] I have an immediate dislike of them because I have Quicken and Quickbooks [13:02] It's also like my dislike of Focus Hope and other "charitable orgs" in Detroit [13:02] I hate, not have [13:03] There's money to be made in prolonging the problem [13:03] quicken loans has zero affiliation with quicken software [13:03] But it has the same name [13:04] It's an example of an irrational dislike [13:04] yes, there is a stupid aquisition spinoff story around that. [13:04] so this is a nice story: http://keithelder.net/2013/07/29/meet-quicken-loans-intern-waleed-johnson-future-mayor-of-detroit/ [13:04] and it reminds me that i like their approach to building everything themselves. they don't buy off hte shelf solutions. [13:05] adn I think that is cool, but htey are so koolaide oriented, and their sales team is more aggressive than any used car salesmen I've met. [13:06] jrwren: Compuware is another one [13:06] They're building amazing things in Detroit [13:07] but their consulting arm and software leave a bit to be desired [13:07] jrwren: meh, I say run with it. What's it matter in the end? You're a creature of your history and if you don't use quicken loans how is your life significantly changed? [13:08] its not. [13:08] I think you are right. it is all good. [13:08] some occasional self doubt is healthy. I'll move on. [13:08] seems to me you're wasting more time/worry about having irriational feelings than it's worth [13:08] rick_h: right on. i'm moving on. [13:09] Heh [13:09] jrwren: all good, hate on, that's my motto :) [13:09] haters gonna hate. [13:09] don't hate the hater, hate the hatee [13:09] on that note... anyone seen http://www.datomic.com/ ? [13:09] i'm thinking it is snake oil :) [13:10] http://www.datomic.com/uploads/3/5/9/7/3597326/6646785_orig.jpg scares me [13:10] 'so where did my query go bad?' [13:10] a lot of things about it scare me. [13:10] a trusted person told me it is awesome. [13:11] everything is awesome for some use case I guess [13:11] i read a bit, and I htink it is interesting, and see so many points where I would not do it that way :) [13:11] great point. [13:11] Their overview reads like a requirements document that came from offshore [13:12] Wow this gets expensive quick. [13:13] Is Datomic just for JVM languages? [13:13] At the moment, yes. We have ideas for how to enable Datomic on non-JVM languages while preserving as much of the embedded power as possible. Stay tuned for future developments. [13:16] ugh, chromecast is coming on the slow boat from china. Shipping notice two days ago, today UPS says it'll show up on monday. [13:16] laptops from china ship faster than this [13:17] Patience grasshopper. [13:17] That's two days before you were previously promised. [13:28] yeah, I think datomic might be a great idea, but i wish it were open source ;) [13:29] i'm watching this presentation for it, it is not bad. [13:29] http://oredev.org/2012/sessions/exploring-datomic-a-database-deconstructed [13:29] some of the design decisions I really like. [17:46] :( http://blog.canonical.com/2013/07/30/ubuntu-forums-are-back-up-and-a-post-mortem/ [17:46] and salted and hashed (using md5) passwords for 1.82 million users [17:47] What took you so long? [17:47] ? [17:47] what took me what so long? [17:48] where "you" == "Canonical" [17:48] Right [17:59] http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/e-inkey-dynamic-keyboard [18:00] hah! so e-ink > oled [18:00] man, if it was 10less I'd be tempted for a travel keyboard [18:08] That's kind of cool [18:08] But you'd have to look at your keyboard to notice it [18:08] rick_h: Do you look at your keyboarD? [18:09] brousch: no, but what's that got to do with anything :P [18:10] What's the point of changing keys if you never see them? [18:15] What Ting device should I get? https://ting.com/devices/buy [18:15] iphone [18:16] brousch: JoDee likes her Galaxy Nexus [18:16] the gnex is going long in the tooth though [18:16] Seems to be a nice balance between good phone and OMG I paid how much? [18:16] end of year I'm ditching mine. Will be tough to keep up on software for two more years [18:16] gah! stupid apple keyboard design :( [18:17] greg-g: You misspelled stupendous again [18:17] Heh [18:18] either the HTC One or GS4 if you're going to hold onto it for a while [18:18] but new phones coming out here in the fall :/ [18:19] which one will they let you get 4.3 on? [18:19] * greg-g kicks brousch [18:19] I assume Galaxy Nexus will get 4.3 [18:19] I'm not sure how it gets out. It's not asop so you have to get carrier updates [18:20] I won't get 4.3 on my galaxy nexus on verizon for months if at all [18:20] not sure how ting/galaxy fit together [18:20] I'm not sure if JoDee's Galaxy Nexus is on 4.2 yet [18:20] I haven't checked honestly [18:20] ugh, I did get 4.2 from verizon after about 6mo [18:20] But you're getting 4.1 at least [18:20] Can I run CyanogenMod on my Ting device? [18:21] I don't see any reason why not [18:22] https://help.ting.com/home [18:22] Seems to be tolerated, if not approved [18:23] https://help.ting.com/entries/25040602-Unlocking-the-HTC-one-GSM [18:24] does the google phone come with ting radios? [18:24] per that link ^^? [18:24] I don't know [18:25] My assumption is because we haven't seen a Nexus 4 device it might not work. [18:25] S4 looks really nice [18:25] https://help.ting.com/entries/23867307-Can-we-BYOD-a-Nexus-4-from-Google-Play- [18:25] short answer- not yet. [18:26] jcastro: how's your phone thing working out? [18:26] didn't you go to ting's sister...I mean alternate on t-mobile and BYOD? [18:28] brousch: Re: best phone: if I were looking to buy a new phone I'd get the Galaxy Nexus for now and then resell it to get the new hotness when Fall arrives [18:29] or buy one refurbed [18:29] https://ting.com/devices/used [18:30] I like my Galaxy SII Epic 4G Touch Championship Edition 2 Turbo Orta [18:30] rick_h: mine is simplemobile [18:30] rick_h: tldr; $90 a month total for jill and I [18:30] jcastro: ah right. I was thinking simple but confused with the bank [18:30] BYOD and happy camper? [18:32] for sure [18:32] $299 BYO Nexus [18:32] you don't even need the spreadsheet to figure it out [18:33] however I switched before tmo's new BYOD flat plans [18:33] and their new "$10 a month extra upgrade to any phone twice." thing [18:33] which looks like a good deal [18:35] Yeah, my only complaint about Ting is Sprint has a dead zone that is essentially my house [18:35] AT&T, TMobile also had problems there [18:35] * rick_h wonders if any nexus devices support that t-mobile wifi calling stuff. [18:36] get around some of that at home [18:36] If I face east while performing a downward dog scissor maneuver< i think I can get one extra bar of reception [18:37] I've seriously considered getting an Airave, but that's $250 to work around Sprint's problem [18:37] yea [18:37] looks like there's apps to use with Google voice to be able to do wifi calling. might work on ting/sprint as well? https://support.t-mobile.com/thread/41526?start=0&tstart=0 [18:37] if you use your google voice as primary phone # [18:37] ahahahah, Ting can import my last 3 verizon bills into their calculator. Verizon has to love that [18:38] I will only save $82/mo with Ting [18:38] rick_h: Hm, that's an option [18:39] saving $82/mo is a lot! [18:39] brousch: Only? :) [18:40] [18:40] that's 3.2 new nexuses you could buy a year [18:40] Buying 2 gnex's it comes out to about $600/yr [18:40] or one awesome ubuntu edge pledge! [18:41] So four bills and you'll almost have paid for the Nexus [18:42] Yeah. I don't see how I could not do this [18:42] Plus you could get a referral code for $25 off your first device [18:42] you don't even need to buy a new nexus a year [18:42] because they backport new android to the previous model too [18:43] so even if you go "every other nexus", which is what Jill and I do, you save the money [18:43] https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ [18:44] And if it doesn't work ouot, you can cancel at any time [18:45] Well my wife needs a phone too, so the other Nexus would be hers [18:45] Yep [18:45] JoDee, her dad, and I are on the same plan [18:45] averages $50 a month [18:46] that said, I was also having lovely connectivity issues down in Ohio [18:46] 4G would start up, and then crap out [18:46] I believe this is because Ohio hates me [18:46] Even though I have shown it nothing but love [18:47] Well, most of the time [18:47] I had fun in my hotel room, but mostly with wireless [18:47] I did besmirch their stupid Buckeye mascott [18:47] I was at the nd of the hall, then turn left and at the end of the little hall [18:47] I had no wifi by the window, but if I sat by the door I had 3 bars [18:48] Yeah, that hotel had strange wifi [18:48] Made browsing in the can a real pain [18:48] (TMI) [18:50] Hm. No SD card on the gnex [18:51] no sdcard on nexus anything from what I recall [18:51] No SD card on any Nexus AFAIK [18:52] barbaric! [18:52] I'll probably go with the S4 [18:52] gnex for the wife [18:54] ++ [18:55] snap-l: What's your referal code? [18:55] https://z6oc11q87.ting.com/ [18:56] * snap-l should make a bitly short link for that. :) [18:56] it'll be just as long :P [18:56] Yeah, but then I could call it "TingCraig" or something [18:57] SomeTingForCraig [19:00] I used yours instead of Linux Action Show's [19:07] I ended up getting the SIII [19:11] I really appreciate it [19:11] Thanks! [19:23] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/9058804/writers%20block.jpg [19:25] You deserve it. You were the first person I heard it from [19:32] Hopefully you won't want to smack me nex titme we see each other. :) [19:33] Well we have a year for the rage to build [19:33] Crap. I forgot the Stardock game t-shirts [19:37] Ah, no worries [19:37] if you want to drop them into a priority mail box, I'll pay shipping