[00:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so fix it? :P
[00:16] <apachelogger> and who caresa bout mm?
[05:56] <mgraesslin> apachelogger, yofel: the build problem of kde-workspace (5) should be fixed now
[05:56] <mgraesslin> could it be that your build systems don't have Qt 4 installed?
[06:09] <soee> good morning
[06:10] <jussi> morning soee
[06:59] <smartboyhw> I'm back!!!!!
[07:01] <valorie> welcome back, smartboyhw
[07:01] <valorie> how was England?
[07:06] <smartboyhw> great!
[07:07] <valorie> so was Spain
[07:07] <valorie> we missed ya
[07:13] <smartboyhw> :)
[07:14] <smartboyhw> Any specific things happened in Akademy that I need to know?
[07:16] <valorie> hmmm, there should be notes and/or a recording somewhere.....
[07:17]  * valorie missed half of it
[07:17] <valorie> the Kubuntu BoF I mean
[08:59] <agateau> Riddell: morning, just pushed some fixes in ubiquity kde-wireless2 branch. I added tests for the new class introduced in gtk_components/nmwidgets.py and removed tests which did not make sense anymore. All tests but "test_segmented_bar" pass (I suspect that failure is due to me still running Raring). Commits have been checked for pep8 but not pyflakes (again, because of me running Raring)
[11:00] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:06] <tester56> hi, are you still experiencing the black screen when starting plasma?
[12:06] <sheytan> Hi guys. have you ever encountered a problem that your computer won't boot from HDD? Like it would skip the hdd? But, if you have a bootable cd inside and you don't boot from it, computer starts to boot from hdd. This only happens for windows 7 ( yes, i know, but i need to have a computer with 2 os)
[12:06] <sheytan> even if i install kubuntu and windows, grub doesn't start too
[12:07] <Riddell> tester56: nope I've never had that
[12:07] <sheytan> ofcourse the bios settings are ok
[12:07] <tester56> sheytan: does this affect a devel release of kubuntu?
[12:07] <sheytan> dunno
[12:07] <tester56> sheytan: if not, kubuntu-devel would be a better place to ask
[12:08] <sheytan> we are on kubuntu-devel ;)
[12:08] <tester56> ah i meant kubuntu
[12:08] <tester56> ah i meant kubuntu
[12:08] <tester56> sry. slow internet :-(
[12:09] <tester56> Riddell, On Kde 4.11?
[12:09] <Riddell> sheytan: if it's preferring to boot from cd then falls back to hard disk, that sounds like a bad set or faulty bios
[12:10] <sheytan> Riddell: if i only install kubuntu, it boots normal. With 2 OS it doesn't from HDD, Windows only - doesn't boot from hdd.
[12:10] <yofel> kde bug 321695
[12:10] <tester56> Riddell, The problem is config independent for me (happens with guest too) : https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321695 
[12:10] <sheytan> But if you put windows cd into the drive, and you get that 'press a key to boot from cd' and you skip that, it boots from hdd
[12:11] <yofel> still happens here FWIW
[12:12] <tester56> yofel: do you think it is going to be fixed?
[12:12] <yofel> no clue
[12:12] <tester56> the mentioned commit (83d301880e78a3aa43e0aedd8f40abb2a506f1ff) semms to be already reverted in master... the problems still occurs
[12:13] <Riddell> tester56: does anything else run?
[12:13] <Riddell> tester56: krunner for example
[12:13] <tester56> yeah
[12:13] <tester56> krunner works 
[12:13] <tester56> kwin too
[12:13] <tester56> imho this should be a high priority bug
[12:14] <apachelogger> sheytan: installing windows only also doesn't boot?
[12:15] <yofel> Riddell: just to be clear: plasma starts perfectly fine, but not while ksplash is there. It only starts initializing after the splash quits which makes ksplahsx kinda pointless
[12:15] <Riddell> yofel: but but then it appers fine?
[12:15] <Riddell> yofel: but then it appears fine?
[12:15] <yofel> sure, it's just ugly
[12:15] <tester56> Riddell: at the moment I can't even get plasma working ... I use krunner to start my apps on the dev install
[12:15] <Riddell> right,I do get that
[12:16] <Riddell> tester56: so plasma doesn't show at all for you?
[12:16] <tester56> yeah
[12:16] <yofel> ok, now that's bad
[12:16] <tester56> not even in a guest session
[12:16] <yofel> but that's not the mentioned bug then
[12:17] <yofel> anything interesting in .xsession-errors?
[12:17] <tester56> but it seems related 
[12:17] <sheytan> apachelogger: yes, it doesn't
[12:17] <sheytan> apachelogger: it switches to network but, which is  the last position set in bios
[12:18] <sheytan> it doesn't matter if hdd is first or last, without skiping the cd installer, it doesn't boot from hdd
[12:18] <sheytan> but, for Vista it works
[12:18] <sheytan> and i need win 7
[12:19] <tester56> that plasma does not show up at all is my fault for sure , as i have compiled a plasmoid that makes plasma crash at startup
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Yawn
[12:20] <tester56> but concerning the bug: it is not only ugly, it also takes longer 
[12:20] <tester56> brb, rebooting
[12:21] <Riddell> hi smartboyhw 
[12:22] <yofel> hey smartboyhw, welcome back :)
[12:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: were you travelling?
[12:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell: I'm back in Hong Kong 
[12:26] <Riddell> my very favourite capitalist enclave
[12:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell: ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
[12:28] <jussi> haha
[12:30] <tester56> i have another question: is it possible to use kde sc 4.10 atop of the latest daily build?
[12:30] <tester56> (without self compiling, i mean a package way of doing it)
[12:31] <Riddell> tester56: no, there's only 4.11 packages for saucy
[12:32] <tester56> Riddel: and there is no ppa to achieve such thing?
[12:32] <Riddell> no we don't package old versions of kde sc for new versions of kubuntu
[12:34] <tester56> is it possible to upgrade everything from 13.04 to 13.10 except kde ?
[12:35] <smartboyhw> Um, no..
[12:35] <tester56> would this be achievable using sudo apt-mark hold
[12:35] <Riddell> unlikely
[12:35] <tester56> but i suppose that does not work for meta packages
[12:35] <tester56> like kubuntu-desktop
[12:36] <tester56> for me ubuntu 13.10 base + kde 4.10 would be the perfect system
[12:36] <azeem> wjat
[12:36] <azeem> eh
[12:36] <azeem> tester56: what's wrong with kde 4.11?
[12:36] <smartboyhw> Why?
[12:37] <smartboyhw> 4.11 final will be released very soon...
[12:37] <yofel> kubuntu-desktop is just meta, you could remove it. But don't forget to pin the kde depends too, and go recursive from there until you have all issues worked out (have fun)
[12:37] <azeem> cause tester56 wants to keep kde 4.10 AFAICT
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[12:37] <tester56> the plasma start bug, a nepomuk bug and finally a big performance problem with kwin on nvidia
[12:38] <yofel> what's wrong with nepomuk again?
[12:38] <tester56> it does not backup comments using the backup utility
[12:38] <tester56> *when using
[12:38] <yofel> oh right, that nepomukbackup thing...
[12:39] <yofel> does that actually work for anyone here?
[12:39] <tester56> I tried to contact the developer, but I had no luck :-(
[12:39] <tester56> yofel, it works on 4.10
[12:40] <tester56> i could read on the developers blog that he forgot to implement comments, but according to him it should be fixed, which is not the case
[12:40] <smartboyhw> Maybe we can bisect the commits between 4.10 and 4.10.97 for nepomuk
[12:41] <tester56> source of my claims: http://vhanda.in/blog/2013/04/the-nepomuk-migration/#disqus_thread
[12:41] <tester56> In the comments he states: "Thanks for reminding me about the file comments. I've added them as well."
[12:42] <tester56> even in master it does not work 
[12:46] <tester56> two of the three bugs won't get fixed before 4.12
[12:46] <sheytan> Riddell: is there a group i need to add my user to use MTP devices? (after install i cannot write to the device)
[12:51] <Riddell> agateau: awooga, working great http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/ubiquity-nm.png
[12:52] <Riddell> sheytan: not as far as I know although I've never used an mtp device
[12:52] <agateau> Riddell: \o/
[12:55] <jussi> Riddell: you dont own a recent android phone? 
[12:55] <jussi> Riddell: also, I thought about perhaps using teespring to do our shirts - what do you think? 
[12:56] <jussi> ie. http://teespring.com/about
[12:57] <Riddell> jussi: I don't own any android phone
[12:57] <jussi> Riddell: heh. ok fair enough then...
[12:58] <Riddell> jussi: printed on demand?
[12:58] <jussi> Riddell: no, more like crowdfunded
[12:58] <Riddell> ah, interesting
[12:59] <Riddell> jussi: so they'd still be sent in a big box to your home for you to post out or they'd do postage?
[12:59] <jussi> nope, they do postage
[12:59] <Riddell> jussi: how do their costs compare?
[12:59] <jussi> 10.50$ anywhere in the world +1$ for each additional Tee
[13:00] <Riddell> so they're american?
[13:00] <Riddell> $10.50 for a t-shirt and postage and $1 for additional t-shirts in the same order?
[13:00] <jussi> no
[13:01] <jussi> 10.50$ for postage. plus whatever we set the tshirt cost at
[13:01] <Riddell> what charge do they make?
[13:02] <jussi> they take something out of the flat rate they charge for each tshirt
[13:03] <jussi> basic tshirt costs about 6$ for us, then however much we want to add
[13:03] <jussi> (50 shirt campaign9
[13:04] <Riddell> looks like they do only t-shirts, you ok with that? no smart polo shirt?
[13:04] <jussi> alternately, for 16$ we can have a hoodie
[13:04] <jussi> no, no polo's sadly, but long sleeve, v nect etc
[13:04] <jussi> or tank tops :P :P
[13:05] <jussi> I like the idea of Hoodies
[13:05] <Riddell> it looks interesting, if you'd rather try that then cool with me
[13:06] <jussi> yeah, Ill put something up. Nothing to loose if it doesnt move forward. 
[13:06] <jussi> need to figure out design, but ill come up with some thing
[13:52] <micahg> looks like kde-workspace-dev needs  a dependency on libx11-xcb-dev for /usr/include/kwinglobals.h
[13:53] <micahg> should I fix it>
[14:01] <debfx> micahg: I think we have a similar situation in kdelibs5-dev and don't have that dependency on the grounds that it's a specialized, rarely used header file
[14:13] <micahg> hrm, maybe it should be in its own package then?
[14:13] <Riddell> micahg: what problem is it causing?
[14:14] <Riddell> micahg: I don't suppose it's a problem to add it but it's a diff to debian
[14:14] <micahg> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/145334745/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.kwin-style-crystal_2.2.1-2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[14:14] <micahg> why shouldn't it be in Debian as well?
[14:14] <Riddell> mm
[14:14] <micahg> unless that header is in another package in Debian
[14:14] <Riddell> would be fine in debian too but we're not debian :)
[14:15] <Riddell> is this kwin-style-crystal an issue in debian?
[14:15] <micahg> no, since that package seems to be implicitly pulled in in Debian
[14:17] <Riddell> micahg: you sure? or do they just have a version of kdelibs that doesn't need it
[14:18] <micahg> idk, I know that package seems to be not needed in Debian for build dependencies, I've submitted several patches to add it to various packages
[14:18]  * micahg will brb
[14:18] <Riddell> I'll try and setup a sid chroot to see
[14:21] <Riddell> nothing about libx11-xcb-dev in https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=kwin-style-crystal&arch=i386&ver=2.2.1-2&stamp=1374220972
[14:21] <Riddell> although other bits of libxcb are brought in
[14:35] <Riddell> http://tech.ryanhoots.com/2013/07/kubuntu-1304-review.html :)
[14:35] <Riddell> "Wow. Just, wow."
[14:35] <Riddell> although slightly trolling against gnome
[14:38]  * yofel starts stomping rekonq into the ground until it's completely flat
[14:39] <Riddell> mm
[14:39] <smartboyhw> mmmmn
[14:39] <yofel> I know it's not rekonq's fault that qtwebkit kind of sucks, but still :/
[14:39] <Riddell> compiling qtwebkit 2.3.2 now, maybe it'll be the solution to everything
[14:41] <yofel> amd64 build of project-neon5-qtwebkit 0.0.git20130730.r164~84d199a.neon7~saucy1 in ubuntu saucy RELEASE
[14:41] <yofel>  [FULLYBUILT] Successfully built on chindi09 (arm ppa builder) 
[14:41] <yofel> :O
[14:41] <yofel> \o/
[14:45] <Riddell> neon is on arm?
[14:45] <yofel> nah, some of the i386/amd64 builders run on arm it seems
[14:51] <Riddell> how's this? kubuntu.org/content/donate-kubuntu
[14:52] <Riddell> better kubuntu.org/donate
[14:55] <yofel> I think the first sentence should be
[14:55] <yofel> Our donations are handled by With Support, the commercial support partner of Kubuntu, through the Kubuntu Paypal account.
[14:55] <yofel> Or I get the impression that Kubuntu Paypal is the commercial support parner.
[14:56] <yofel> and listing spendings might make sense, but either link to some more detailed spending page that lists the spending for every year or take the year out. (I have no experience in such things, but if you put dates there it can feel outdated FAST)
[15:17] <Riddell> pretty picture http://www.kubuntu.org/donate
[15:24] <yofel> fancy :)
[15:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what was the outcome of the solid and ubuntu larks?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: is this regarding the upower issue I was facing the other day ?
[15:34] <Riddell> shadeslayer: dunno, afiestas said solid didn't work with the fake systemd ubuntu has
[15:34] <shadeslayer> new upower was uploaded, I just hadn't upgraded in a couple of days 
[15:34] <shadeslayer> ahh
[15:34] <Riddell> thought I saw you looking into that
[15:34] <shadeslayer> yes 
[15:34] <shadeslayer> so it falls back to upower
[15:35] <shadeslayer> and upower 0.9.20 was buggy, and someone had already uploaded 0.9.21 which fixed the issue 
[15:52] <shadeslayer> yofel: btw interesting that running qmake from the build dir works even if there is a + sign in the version
[15:52] <yofel> rename it to build+ and try again? ^^
[15:53] <shadeslayer> will try later
[15:53] <yofel> packaging + qmake is something I try to not touch until I have to :S
[15:54] <shadeslayer> :)
[15:54] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ah hah, well diagnosed
[16:00] <shadeslayer> my head is still spinning, I will be back once I feel better, cya 
[16:10] <Quintasan> hmm
[16:10] <tester56> I have a question: Is it normal the kde-workspace master does not compile?
[16:10] <Quintasan> uhh
[16:11] <tester56> (without patching)
[16:11] <Quintasan> It technicaly should be in a compilable state
[16:11] <Quintasan> tester56: Are you sure it's not a problem on your end?
[16:11] <tester56> sure
[16:12] <Quintasan> tester56: At this point any argument would be nice.
[16:12] <Quintasan> tester56: Besides you can look at project neon, if it built then master is probably in a compilable state
[16:13] <tester56> Okay I have done the following:
[16:13] <tester56> sudo apt-get build-dep kde-workspace
[16:13] <tester56> git clone git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace
[16:13] <tester56> cd kde-workspace
[16:13] <tester56> mkdir build && cd build
[16:13] <tester56> cmake ..
[16:14] <tester56> (successfully completed cmake)
[16:14] <tester56> make 
[16:14] <tester56> (aborts because kspalsh qml or something)
[16:14] <Quintasan> I need a build log
[16:15] <Quintasan> and that looks like a problem on your end, most likely missing headers
[16:15] <tester56> shouldn't that be handled by build-dep kde-workspace ?
[16:16] <tester56> okay i am going to build it if you are still around for the next hour
[16:17] <tester56> furthermore, cmake should detect missing stuff
[16:17] <tester56> so I would not argue that it is my fault
[16:17] <Riddell> agateau, apachelogger, anyone: http://blogs.kde.org/2013/07/31/project-neon-5-daily-builds-ubiquity-wireless-setup
[16:18] <Quintasan> tester56: For example someone might have commited something that requires new dependency and forgot to update cmake
[16:18] <Quintasan> tester56: I do not know exactl policy, any reason against using project neon?
[16:19] <Riddell> ook!  qtwebkit 2.3.2 built!
[16:19] <Quintasan> Riddell:  wow, great
[16:19] <tester56> Quintasan: I want to patch stuff ... but if it doesn't compile i can't do that
[16:19] <Quintasan> apachelogger, yofel, shadeslayer: Thanks for the kf5 work
[16:20] <tester56> Riddell: This is great!
[16:20] <Quintasan> tester56: Well, we did Project Neon exactly for that but if you want to compile master yourself then feel free to do so.
[16:21] <tester56> Quintasan: Sorry, I don't understand
[16:21] <tester56> Quintasan: I want to make changes that involve recompiling everything
[16:22] <Quintasan> tester56: I believe master is supposed to be compilable at all times unless someone makes a mistake, you'd have better luck asking in #kde-devel if you want fast answer
[16:22] <yofel> tester56: everything including kdelibs, qt, kdepimlibs, etc?
[16:22] <tester56> Yeah I could use the project neon shell for that
[16:22] <yofel> if not you can use neon for those and build kde-workspace yourself
[16:23] <tester56> yofel: no only kde-workspace
[16:24] <tester56> yofel: could you point me to the doc of neonmake?
[16:24] <Quintasan> tester56: http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE
[16:24] <yofel> ^
[16:24] <tester56> which path should I set in cmake to replace the project neon kde-workspace?
[16:24] <Quintasan> tester56: Just read the doc
[16:25] <yofel> neon-env does that for you and neonmake (neon-cmake) overrides a few bits for building
[16:25] <Quintasan> especially http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Using_Project_Neon_to_contribute_to_KDE#Using_Project_Neon_for_development
[16:25] <Quintasan> yofel: I believe we should dogfood 
[16:25] <yofel> heh
[16:25] <Quintasan> Project Neon so people like...know it works.
[16:26] <yofel> hm, I just realized we need to document kf5 on there as well
[16:26] <Quintasan> YEAH
[16:26] <yofel> stuff like scripts now being named neon5-env etc.
[16:26] <Quintasan> Got moneyz for new PSU
[16:26] <yofel> \o/
[16:26] <Quintasan> Got SSD, now new PSU, back to business then
[16:27] <tester56> What about build deps: is it enough to have the normal build deps installed?
[16:28] <yofel> sudo apt-get build-dep project-neon-kde-workspace
[16:28] <yofel> as long as it builds in the neon archive, it should build for you
[16:30] <Quintasan> yofel: btw
[16:30] <Quintasan> Project Neon 5 sounds like we went a long way
[16:30] <Quintasan> xD
[16:31] <yofel> we sure did...
[16:31] <yofel> ok, the 5 is misleading, sure, but it was still a long way ;P
[16:31] <tester56> neonmake  does not need neoncmake to be run first?
[16:32] <yofel> it runs that itself
[16:32] <tester56> okay, just asked to be sure
[16:32] <yofel> neonmake is really a do-everything thing
[16:32] <yofel> it runs cmake, make, make install
[16:32] <tester56> so everything I need is:
[16:33] <tester56> git clone git://anongit.kde.org/kde-workspace
[16:33] <tester56> cd kde-workspace
[16:33] <tester56> neonmake
[16:33] <yofel> neon-env, then neonmake
[16:33] <tester56> ah, right ... and the dependencies
[16:33] <yofel> right
[16:33]  * yofel makes his way home, bbl
[16:34] <tester56> E: Unable to find a source package for project-neon-kde-workspace
[16:35] <yofel> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:neon/ppa
[16:35] <Quintasan> tester56: Did you add the ppa entries to /etc/apt/sources.list?
[16:35] <tester56> i have done that already
[16:35] <yofel> er 
[16:35] <yofel> deb-src is missing
[16:35] <yofel> probably commented out
[16:35] <Quintasan> ah
[16:35] <Quintasan> yeah
[16:35] <yofel> now gone for real
[16:35] <Quintasan> add-ppa-repository does that
[16:35] <tester56> ah ... that may be the reason :D
[16:36] <Quintasan> tester56: look for neon-ppa.list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:36] <Quintasan> and uncomment the deb src line
[16:37] <tester56> yeah just did it
[16:37] <tester56> works
[16:38] <Riddell> micahg: ah hah it is a change in kwin in 4.11, so your suggestion seems appropriate although so does the reason not to bother
[16:38] <Riddell> micahg: but that'll be why debian doesn't have the issue
[16:38] <Riddell> micahg: want to add the -dev or shall I?
[16:41] <micahg> Riddell: I can do it later tonight if you want
[16:41] <micahg> is it needed for kdelibs and kde-workspace-dev?
[16:45] <Riddell> micahg: kde-workspace-dev in this case
[16:45] <micahg> ok
[16:52] <tester56> short question: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=321695 states that the bug is fixed when reverting 83d301880e78a3aa43e0aedd8f40abb2a506f1ff
[16:53] <tester56> the diff is shown here: https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/83d301880e78a3aa43e0aedd8f40abb2a506f1ff/diff/plasma/desktop/shell/data/plasma-desktop.desktop
[16:53] <tester56> so after revert the Type should be wait
[16:53] <tester56> right?
[17:02] <Riddell> toscalix_: yes
[17:02] <Riddell> oh he left, sorry toscalix_ 
[17:03] <Riddell> tester56: yes
[17:04] <ahoneybun> hey Riddell 
[17:04] <tester56> okay the solution to bug 321695 is very easy, no need to recompile stuff: open /opt/project-neon/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop and change the value on the third line to wait
[17:04] <tester56> tested with project neon
[17:05] <tester56> i meant KDE bug 321695
[17:06] <tester56> for normal kde session edit /usr/share/autostart/plasma-desktop.desktop
[17:06] <tester56> :-)
[17:07] <Riddell> ahoneybun!
[17:07] <ahoneybun> ?
[17:07] <Riddell> just pleased to see you
[17:07] <ahoneybun> l;ol
[17:07] <Riddell> tester56: any downside mentioned on the kde bug?
[17:08] <tester56> no not really
[17:08] <Riddell> tester56: or what's the commit message for that commit, someone must have had a reason
[17:08] <tester56> yeah sth. for kde framework 5
[17:08] <Riddell> https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kde-workspace/repository/revisions/83d301880e78a3aa43e0aedd8f40abb2a506f1ff
[17:08] <Riddell> hmm 'plasma desktop file: "wait" as a value made no sense, this app registers to DBus.
[17:08] <Riddell> It was the only user (with the plasma desktop "variants") of "wait",
[17:08] <Riddell> so I removed it in KDE Frameworks 5.
[17:08] <Riddell> it's from David Faure
[17:08] <Riddell> he's elite
[17:09] <Riddell> not sure I want to meddle with him
[17:09] <tester56> but it is not working, elite or not
[17:09] <tester56> furthermore he is talking about framework 5
[17:10] <Riddell> tester56: yeah, let's ask him when he's next around, probably tomorrow
[17:11] <tester56> he has not commented to the bug report, so it would be a good idea to ask him anyway
[17:11] <tester56> if he is elite he has certainly the necessary rights to revert it for 4.11, as this is a LTS release
[17:13] <Riddell> just subscribed him to the bug
[17:13] <Riddell> we'll probably get the answer before long, well done on tracking that down tester56 
[17:14] <ahoneybun> how goes everything Riddell ?
[17:14] <Riddell> ahoneybun: it's mostly awesome thanks
[17:14] <ahoneybun> cool
[17:15] <ahoneybun> I have been busy so not much work on docs but still some
[17:15] <Riddell> ahoneybun: I'm guessing manchicken isn't going to get on with this docs to html script so I'll put it back on my todo
[17:16] <ahoneybun> I have not been on a lot so I'm not sure there is a tool to do it
[17:16] <ahoneybun> he/she found it
[17:17] <tester56> output of attempt to build kde-workspace : http://pastebin.com/aSTttCTP :-(((
[17:19] <Riddell> tester56: looks like a problem in the code, #kde-devel usually the most appropriate channel for that, make sure you have the right branch and not a frameworks 5 branch
[17:19] <Riddell> not sure the status of kde-workspace master is clear
[17:20] <Riddell> #kde-devel topic says "Ask $DEITY$ what to do with kde-workspace"
[17:20] <Riddell> so it might be frameworks 5
[17:20] <ahoneybun> Riddell: http://moinmo.in/MoinDump
[17:20] <yofel> I don't think they did anything yet
[17:20] <tester56> oh ... is there a way to get the neon source ?
[17:20] <yofel> master builds in neon https://launchpad.net/~neon/+archive/ppa/+packages?field.name_filter=kde-workspace&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[17:21] <yofel> frameworks is in 'frameworks-scratch' for now, that's what neon5 buidls
[17:21] <Riddell> ahoneybun: that looks promising but still needs someone to set it up :)
[17:22] <yofel> tester56: well, apt-get source project-neon-kde-workspace
[17:22] <yofel> or dget the dsc from launchpad
[17:23] <ahoneybun> Riddell: I never understood what I needed to do :)
[17:23] <ahoneybun> ;)
[17:24] <Riddell> ahoneybun: well get that working locally than get it working on the docs.kubuntu.co.uk server
[17:24] <Riddell> ahoneybun: oh another todo item is to ask canonical sysadmin for a docs.kubuntu.org DNS
[17:24] <ahoneybun> Riddell: thats what I don't get, do I download something? or what
[17:25] <Riddell> ahoneybun: for the wiki -> html converter?
[17:25] <Riddell> ahoneybun: work out how to run that MoinDump is what it needs
[17:25] <Riddell> looks like it needs a whole moin setup, maybe there's a package for that
[17:26] <Riddell>  python-moinmoin looks likely
[17:26] <Riddell> so install that and see if the example command on http://moinmo.in/MoinDump works
[17:26] <Riddell> using usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/MoinMoin/script/moin.py
[17:26] <Riddell> only if you want to take a look of course
[17:26]  * Riddell out for a few hours
[17:27] <ahoneybun> ok