| micahg | jalcine: I don't see a reason why not, maybe file a wishlist bug in Debian? | 01:26 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 07:08 |
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| jalcine | micahg: I'd look into it, thanks | 11:35 |
| jalcine | morning dholbach | 11:36 |
| dholbach | hi jalcine | 11:40 |
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| mfisch | Does Ubuntu automatically sync new packages from debian? (new to debian packages) | 16:16 |
| hannie | I have given the package I made version # 1.0. Can I keep this or should i change it to 0ubuntu1 for Ubuntu? | 16:23 |
| mfisch | hannie: did you make ubuntu changes? | 16:24 |
| hannie | well, it is just a pdf file, the ubuntu manual | 16:24 |
| hannie | I packaged it and gave it version 1.0 | 16:25 |
| mfisch | hannie: I don't think it needs 0ubuntu1 then since it's really only for ubuntu | 16:26 |
| mfisch | there's no split between upstream and ubuntu | 16:26 |
| mfisch | take the ubuntu-packaging-guide as an example, it's 0.3.1 for the version | 16:27 |
| hannie | ok, that is a good example. | 16:27 |
| hannie | mfisch, thanks | 16:28 |
| hannie | Conclusion: I can take any version number I want | 16:29 |
| hannie | Now I need 2 motu's to review and sign off my package (Going through MOTU) | 16:35 |
| micahg | mfisch: it should have -0ubuntu1 if there's an upstream source, if it's a native package, than not | 16:54 |
| micahg | ubuntu-packaging-guide is also in Debian :) | 16:55 |
| mfisch | micahg: right, I don't think there's an upstream here, but I didn't ask | 16:55 |
| micahg | hrm, not quite right, Ubuntu designation if there's an upstream source or different than Debian | 16:56 |
| mfisch | if Ubuntu is the upstream than it doesn't need the designation | 16:56 |
| mfisch | right? | 16:56 |
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| micahg | mfisch: well, I'd say it depends, if it's not in Debian, right, otherwise, it's good to have it | 17:21 |
| geser | mfisch: Ubuntu auto-syncs also new packages from Debian till DebianImportFreeze which should be the case now | 18:29 |
| micahg | DIF was last week | 18:29 |
| mfisch | micahg/geser: I was told that Ubuntu does not have every package that debian has, so a) is that true and b) is there a blacklist? | 19:02 |
| geser | mfisch: yes, Ubuntu doesn't have all packages, e.g. not the kfreebsd kernel and related packages | 19:03 |
| jbicha | mfisch: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/sync-blacklist.txt | 19:03 |
| mfisch | thanks guys | 19:04 |
| mfisch | it will have every *new* package unless someones updates this list | 19:04 |
| geser | mfisch: if you want to sync a new or updated package now, you have to request it (we are past DIF) | 19:09 |
| mfisch | geser: yep, I get that | 19:09 |
| mfisch | I just didn't know about this list | 19:09 |
| mfisch | I was told debian had "multiple thousands" more packages than Ubuntu | 19:10 |
| micahg | hrm, shouldn't be | 19:12 |
| Unit193 | Debian jessie: Total package names: 49180 (984 k) Normal packages: 37555 Raring: Total package names: 52855 (1,057 k) Normal packages: 40663 | 19:15 |
| jbicha | mfisch: see the Derived from Wheezy section of https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/saucy/ | 19:27 |
| mfisch | interesting stats | 19:28 |
| mfisch | zul: why would openstack packages be blacklisted? | 19:38 |
| zul | mfisch: because we dont sync them from debian | 19:39 |
| micahg | I would hope that could eventually be remedied | 19:39 |
| mfisch | zul: if we have local changes, they shouldn't be sync'd anyway, right? or is this just to prevent someone from doing it not just an automated process? | 19:39 |
| mfisch | in other words, local changes blocks the autosync anyway | 19:40 |
| zul | mfisch: they are a version behind and we dont use their packages as a sbase | 19:40 |
| mfisch | does the blacklist prevent a rogue MOTU from syncing? | 19:40 |
| zul | mfisch: yes | 19:40 |
| mfisch | ok, thanks zul | 19:40 |
| zul | and they are in main as well | 19:40 |
| zul | micahg: openstack from debian going to be remedied? its not going to be...ever | 19:41 |
| micahg | zul: I don't see why the teams can't eventually work together and just upload to Debian and sync | 19:42 |
| zul | micahg: sure...but it isnt going to happen anytime soon | 19:42 |
| micahg | zul: speaking of Debian, can you look into the mail that zigo copied you on re python-warlock? | 19:43 |
| zul | micahg: its on my todo list | 19:44 |
| micahg | ok, thanks | 19:44 |
| jbicha | quite a bit of the openstack stuff is in sync http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=openstack-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org | 19:49 |
| teresaejunior | Hi to all! I'm a long time Debian user researching the benefits of switching to Ubuntu! I hope you don't mind answering my question: | 22:26 |
| teresaejunior | I was reading about security procedures for a LTS and, from what I could gather, Canonical officially supports about 700 packages (http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-security/ubuntu-cve-tracker/master/view/head:/lucid-supported.txt) and the rest is left to the community. | 22:26 |
| teresaejunior | I took a list of my most commonly used desktop applications, and most of them come from universe. | 22:26 |
| teresaejunior | Now the question is, for the MOTU developers, is the priority on security mostly for the current release like raring? How are the LTS handled? | 22:26 |
| Rcart | asd | 22:27 |
| micahg | teresaejunior: that's for the LTS that's server only | 22:38 |
| micahg | teresaejunior: in terms of MOTU. it's really whatever people want to work on | 22:42 |
| teresaejunior | micahg: hi, thanks for your answer! i had a look at the wiki page for LTS and and it seems to be focused on enterprise customers really | 22:43 |
| teresaejunior | micahg: i use long term releases on the desktop too, like debian stable, but was concerned about security aswell | 22:43 |
| micahg | teresaejunior: so, 12.04 is LTS for desktop for 5 years | 22:44 |
| micahg | that should come with the requisite security support for most stuff in main, you can find out about individual packages with the ubuntu-support-status program | 22:45 |
| jtaylor | security in universe is not so great, often fixes are much slower than debian, sometimes never | 22:45 |
| teresaejunior | micahg: i think i didn't understand you. please, what did you mean when you said "that's for the LTS that's server only" | 22:45 |
| jtaylor | depends if someone finds the time/will to do so | 22:45 |
| micahg | teresaejunior: Lucid is now a server only LTS, desktop support ended in April | 22:46 |
| teresaejunior | micahg: ok, now i get it! | 22:47 |
| teresaejunior | jtaylor: so i think that, unless i use the default Ubuntu media with Unity, I should not go for a LTS release on the desktop | 22:48 |
| micahg | teresaejunior: well, the flavors try to support their own packages and have different LTS shelf lifes | 22:48 |
| micahg | the base desktop is currently shared by the flavors X/Mesa | 22:49 |
| jtaylor | teresaejunior: depends on how much time you want to invest yourself and how paranoid you are | 22:49 |
| micahg | here's a list of who committed to what for how long: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseManifest | 22:49 |
| jtaylor | e.g. I ahve all my applications dealing with untrusted sources apparmored and am subscribed to debian-security-announce | 22:50 |
| teresaejunior | micahg: thank you, although i wouldn't really use any of the falvours | 22:51 |
| teresaejunior | jtaylor: and what do you do when advisories are announced? | 22:52 |
| jtaylor | if they concern me I try to do the update in ubuntu | 22:53 |
| jtaylor | though lately I didn't really do much ._. | 22:53 |
| teresaejunior | jtaylor: do you recompile them? | 22:53 |
| jtaylor | if its fixed in debian you can often just take their patches | 22:54 |
| teresaejunior | jtaylor: could i assume that the most important ones get their way through the MOTU? | 22:55 |
| teresaejunior | jtaylor: also, do you use the LTS? | 22:56 |
| jtaylor | luckily the most important stuff tends to be in main | 22:56 |
| jtaylor | lts and latest | 22:56 |
| teresaejunior | jtaylor: ok, thanks! although i still don't know what decision to make... | 22:59 |
| teresaejunior | good night to all | 23:06 |
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