[10:54] <snap-l> Good morning
[11:17] <rick_h> morning
[12:22] <snap-l> I'd like to know who gave my nose permission to run today
[12:37] <brousch> You will be the first victim of PyOhio plague
[12:49] <snap-l> God I hope not
[13:15] <snap-l> We have successfully collected $31.93 for billing period Jun 27 - Jul 26, 2013
[13:16] <rick_h> huh?
[13:17] <snap-l> Ting bill
[13:18] <brousch> nice
[13:25] <snap-l> brousch: Apparehtly GR and Holland are also now LTE markets whenever Sprint flips the switch
[13:26] <snap-l> Thatn and Flint
[13:26] <snap-l> Apparently Sprint is flipping me off. :)
[13:26] <jrwren> maybe you don't actually have an LTE device :)
[13:26] <snap-l> jrwren: No, there's only 3G in this area
[13:26] <snap-l> Which gives me a sad
[13:27] <jrwren> i don't even have real LTE, just ATT what iphone 4s (not5) calls 4g. its that HDSPA or whatever
[13:27] <snap-l> Yeah
[13:28] <jrwren> i'm always surprised when my wife says she only has 3g and its slow (iphone 4) and I speed along with my iphone 4s, just cuz of that hsdpa
[13:28] <snap-l> LTE and 4G are probably the most misunderstood terms in cellphones
[13:28] <jrwren> yup
[13:28] <snap-l> That and what a "bar" means
[13:28] <snap-l> "Bar o' reception"
[13:30] <jrwren> lol. bar is just shit.
[13:30] <jrwren> although it seems people dont talk about that anymore. you either have service or you don't IME these days
[13:30] <jrwren> but 6-8yrs ago, people comparing bars was hilarious, and a little sad.
[13:30] <jrwren> comparing on different phone models, I mean.
[13:31] <snap-l> Even same models was pretty pathetic
[13:31] <jrwren> same model on same network seems a valid comparison to me.
[13:33] <snap-l> Unless you're standing in the exact same spot at the exact same time with the exact same hand and angle, it's not going to be effective
[13:33] <jrwren> no.
[13:34] <jrwren> the whole point of a cell is that those things average out.
[13:34] <jrwren> bar comparisons were a means of asking the question "do you have a signal in here?" as in, this room.
[13:35] <brousch> I rarely need high speed when I'm outside of a wifi connection, so 3G should suit me
[13:36] <snap-l> Only time I've really noticed was when I was tethering my phone to my computer and using SSH
[13:36] <snap-l> the lag was pretty high
[13:36] <snap-l> also trying to use rdesktop to work with their flash banner was fun
[13:36] <jrwren> brousch: it is not just the speed, it is the latency. 4g is much nicer.
[13:37] <brousch> If it enrages me I will drive to Royal Oak and commense the beat-down
[13:38] <snap-l> rick_h knows which one I'm referring to. It's this animation that swirls in with our (now out of date) mission statement one out of three times
[13:38] <brousch> I'm more worried about my wife, who apparently stream PAndora over 4G all day long
[13:38] <snap-l> brousch: Ouch
[13:38] <brousch> Might have to change her habits
[13:44] <rick_h> ok, so I have to say "I only need 3g" is crazy
[13:44] <rick_h> as someone that lives on both 3g and 4g, it's not even close
[13:44] <rick_h> I'd say to be generally 'productive' I need about 1.5-3mb of connectivity and sub 100ms ping times
[13:44] <rick_h> yes, 4g is over that, but 3g isn't close
[13:45] <rick_h> snap-l: I'm going to fall into convulsions on the floor with this email you sent me. I can't get past the first 6 lines without screaming out loud
[13:45] <rick_h> snap-l: I'm sending my dr bill to you
[13:46]  * rick_h packs up a dozen CS101 books to send to N.C.
[13:51] <snap-l> rick_h: Heh. :)
[13:52] <rick_h> ok, skimmed through it. You're a better man than I.
[13:53] <snap-l> No worries. i just thought you might want to know what you're missing. :)
[13:53] <snap-l> We're redefining Comp Sci here
[13:54] <rick_h> yea, I can tell
[13:54] <rick_h> or even common sense
[13:54] <snap-l> heh
[13:54] <rick_h> man, this is going to haunt me all day
[13:54] <snap-l> You're welcome. :)
[13:57] <jrwren> did you use the scientific method?
[13:58] <jrwren> what was your theory? how did you test it via experiment?
[13:58] <snap-l> I think we should have used the Rhythm Method
[13:58] <jrwren> didn't do those things? its not science :p
[13:58] <rick_h> or the 'shush you, you're talking madness and stop it' method
[13:58] <snap-l> jrwren: Trust me. This is definitely redefining comp sci. Poorly.
[13:58] <jrwren> lol
[13:59] <jrwren> i'm not even sure what you are talking about.
[13:59] <snap-l> Global Variables
[13:59] <jrwren> you forwarded something to rick_h, but what?
[13:59] <jrwren> nothing wrong with globals
[13:59] <rick_h> ooooohhhh http://r.bmark.us/u/e37af9484e1d6f
[13:59] <rick_h> jrwren: the looong conversation can be stated simply
[13:59] <snap-l> And how they're not that dissimilar from broadly-scoped local varaibles (as in "good thing"
[13:59] <jrwren> oh god.
[14:00] <jrwren> someone doesn't know how ot program :p
[14:00] <rick_h> "There's nothing wrong with global variables depsite all the fuss. If I define a variabiel in my function it's global to my function and that's good design"
[14:00] <jrwren> i have infinite memory, don't you?
[14:01] <rick_h> the problem is we should have all stopped talking to this guy from day 3 of meeting him
[14:01] <jrwren> oh, its a CHC attendee? wow.
[14:02] <rick_h> no no no
[14:02] <rick_h> co-worker for snap-l
[14:02] <rick_h> who's been affecntionaly named "north carolina dude"
[14:02] <rick_h> errr, with better spelling
[14:02] <jrwren> lol
[14:02] <brousch> Dude is such a nice name
[14:04] <jrwren> the dude
[14:04] <rick_h> N.C. dude for short
[14:05] <rick_h> because in N.C. Dude land, a variable defined in your function is global and just the same as in the top of a module and just the same as in the __ini__ of your project
[14:05] <rick_h> and in his world, permutation problems are not scalable by any known technique known to CS
[14:05] <brousch> That sure makes things easier!
[14:06] <jrwren> take him to school, snap-l
[14:06] <snap-l> I did
[14:06] <rick_h> and the best way to create a program that's dynamic isn't to process a known file import format and generate a graph of object instances, but to read in a file and probe in the python AST to auto create things per the yaml file's specifications.
[14:07] <rick_h> because nothing's better than python generated via a yaml of python-looking like stuff
[14:07] <jrwren> wtf rick_h ! blasphame!
[14:07] <brousch> That sounds like fun
[14:33] <brousch> My Dad called last night about buying a Windows 8 laptop he saw on sale. I suggested a Chromebook for him instead. It really is a perfect fit for what he does (Email, Facebook, consume YouTube videos), and costs the same as the on sale laptop.
[14:33] <brousch> The revolution has begun
[14:34] <snap-l> The revolution will be televised... via Chromecast.
[14:36] <brousch> Yeah, Chromecast is even an extra bonus
[14:37] <brousch> He's been running Linux since 2008, but that computer is just too old now
[14:37] <brousch> The computer dates from 2002
[14:38] <snap-l> wow
[14:39] <brousch> When he called, I told him to go ahead with the Win8 laptop and I'd fix put Linux on it for him. Then at the store later I saw a Chromebook and it hit me. It didn't hit me at home even though my son was using a Chromebook 10ft away from me at the time of the call.
[14:44] <snap-l> heh
[15:37] <snap-l> I think I have a new nickname for me on allergy medicine: Bitchy Beaker
[15:38] <snap-l> Seriously have the attention span of a pissed off gnat
[15:38] <snap-l> and what little attention span I have is busy wanting to blow up the world.
[15:38] <snap-l> so there is your mental image for the day
[15:38] <snap-l> you're welcome.
[15:39] <brousch> oooh, MS office for Android
[16:00] <snap-l> http://gregghenson.com/105-1-hiring-talent/
[16:00] <snap-l> IN case you were wanting another sports station in Detroit
[16:00] <snap-l> Apparently playing secretary rock isn't the big business it used to be
[16:01] <greg-g> really annoying when your org's logo is on an NSA slide: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/audio/video/2013/7/31/1375269604628/KS8-001.jpg
[16:01] <snap-l> Heh, it ranks higher than Hotmail / Outlook who isn't on that slide. :)
[16:38] <snap-l> https://twitter.com/anoddhue/statuses/252080684859015168
[16:38] <snap-l> Saw this sticker last night and about laughed myself off the road
[16:38] <greg-g> snap-l: yeah, we're no really ramping up our efforts to do ssl by default/everywhere
[16:39] <rick_h> greg-g: I completely didn't get it...then I realized you didn't say a NASA slide, but a NSA slide
[16:41] <greg-g> rick_h: hahaha
[16:42] <greg-g> oh, and s/no/now/, of course
[16:42] <greg-g> also, ipsec between datacenters
[16:42] <greg-g> all the good stuff
[16:45] <snap-l> greg-g: Why do you hate freedom? :)
[16:45] <greg-g> freedom ain't free, or something
[16:46] <greg-g> snap-l: I say that because, we're going to be spending money to get this done, obviously, more servers to handle the ssl traffic, upgraded routers that can handle ipsec effenciently between dcs, that kind of stuff
[16:47] <snap-l> Yeah, I know
[16:48] <greg-g> hence the obviously ;)
[16:49] <greg-g> anywho, encrypt the web!
[17:20] <PainBank> anyone here use Qt significantly?  Qt Creator and QML.
[17:21] <brousch> I use KDE. Does that count?
[17:22] <brousch> 302 is the official PyOhio attendance
[18:50] <rick_h> jrwren: jcastro smoser 3hr CHC if any of you guys are bored and looking for a drive to take tonight.
[18:51] <smoser> thanks for invite.
[18:54] <jcastro> me too
[18:54] <jcastro> but I'm working for a while today
[19:01] <jrwren> thanks for invite.
[19:30] <PainBank> brousch: sorry, doesn't count.  need software developers
[19:31] <brousch> Ah well. Qt is deprecated anyways. Now it is all Kivy!
[23:34] <greg-g> boy howdy does listening to QOTSA's "Feel good hit of the summer" make me want to smoke a few things. Or just one. Or none. But boy does it pull on my addiction strings.
[23:34] <greg-g> (that's mostly for jrwren )