[05:50] <barrydk> Good morning everyone
[05:51] <not_found> alalalalalooooo
[05:54] <Squirm> morning
[06:05] <Kilos> good morning peeps
[06:06] <mazal> More oom
[06:06] <mazal> Morning barrydk , not_found , Squirm 
[06:06] <not_found> o/
[06:06] <Trixar_za> Morning Kilos
[06:07] <Trixar_za> And the rest of you for that matter :P
[06:07] <Squirm> morning Kilos 
[06:07] <Kilos> wow hi nuvolari Trixar_za 
[06:07] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:07] <Kilos> and Squirm too
[06:07] <Kilos> o/
[06:08] <Squirm> Kilos: you were up late last night
[06:08] <Squirm> I'm going to take away your computer
[06:08] <mazal> Oom , Kilos , I am 1 step closer to the k test :-)
[06:08] <Trixar_za> Probably just to make fp
[06:08] <Kilos> yeah was using up night surfer data Squirm  but with faster internet i finished my day surfer as well
[06:09] <Kilos> how many more steps mazal ?
[06:09] <Kilos> hehe Squirm why you wanna take my pc?
[06:09] <mazal> 1 BIG one , need to do my scanning project now ( scan all my old photo's into pc )
[06:09] <Kilos> you got the scanner working mazal 
[06:10] <mazal> Nope , will scan on Windooze
[06:10] <Kilos> did you write down what you did
[06:10] <Kilos> ai!
[06:10] <Squirm> I can't remember what I was doing now
[06:10] <Squirm> mazal: sacrilege!
[06:10] <mazal> Huh Squirm ? What that means ?
[06:10] <Kilos> i shouldnt chastise you because i also have 7 running
[06:11] <Kilos> but mainly to remind me why i am using ubuntu
[06:11] <mazal> Kilos, and ubuntu is getting even more worse now
[06:11] <mazal> Another thing came onto my list that stopped working :-(
[06:12] <Kilos> mazal, in mails from walter there are links for hp probs
[06:12] <mazal> All of a sudden , after some updates , ps3 media server is having major issues. The list is growing rapidly now :-(
[06:12] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[06:12] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[06:12] <Kilos> mazal, you on 12.04?
[06:13] <mazal> 13.04
[06:13] <psyatw> hi mazal
[06:13] <Kilos> man go back to 12.04 till 14.04 comes out
[06:14] <Kilos> Squirm, my 3g is flying
[06:14] <Kilos> over 1/2 mB/s
[06:15] <mazal> I have the 12.04 recovery partition as well. But it's sad to think you have to go backwards to use your apps. And 12.04 is not gonna last forever. I'm getting worried
[06:15] <Kilos> mazal, maybe also its a bad install or has some bug in it
[06:16] <Kilos> hi not_found 
[06:16] <not_found> alo again :)
[06:16] <Kilos> again?
[06:16] <Kilos> oh sorry
[06:18] <mazal> Ag I dunno oom. For now I use Win for the stuff that don't work. Have neither strength nor the time to struggle for days on end to get something working
[06:19] <Kilos> thats sad
[06:19] <Squirm> Kilos: our 4x4mb bonded lines aren't that fast
[06:19] <Squirm> we're getting like 1mb/s
[06:19] <Squirm> stupid
[06:20] <Squirm> exchange
[06:20] <Squirm> :/
[06:20] <Kilos> mine goes up to 600 mB/s
[06:20] <Squirm> oh yes, mazal
[06:20] <Squirm> Maaz: define: sacrilege
[06:20] <Maaz> Squirm: Huh?
[06:20] <Squirm> Maaz: Google define: sacrilege
[06:20] <Maaz> Squirm: "Sacrilege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrilege :: "sacrilege - definition of sacrilege by the Free Online Dictionary ..." http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sacrilege :: "Yeah Yeah Yeahs - Sacrilege - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmRI3Ew4BvA :: "Sacrilege | Define Sacrilege at Dictionary.com"
[06:20] <Maaz> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sacrilege :: "CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Sacrilege - New Advent" http:/…
[06:20] <Kilos> mainly hovers around 510 mB/s though
[06:20] <Squirm> "the violation or profanation of anything sacred or held sacred."
[06:21] <Kilos> it looks like it pays to complain with 8ta
[06:22] <Squirm> Kilos: yet they can't upgrade their exchange
[06:23] <Squirm> the exchange here in Mooi River is running at like 160% and there is a problem
[06:23] <Kilos> hehe they too busy fixing my side
[06:33] <Kilos> ai! old pc woes
[06:35] <mazal> Kilos, how much do you pay now for that package you have ?
[06:35] <Kilos> R149
[06:35] <mazal> How much data ?
[06:36] <Kilos> 2+1
[06:36] <mazal> 2gig a bit low for me. How is their top-up prices per gig , do you know ?
[06:37] <Kilos> they have other promotions but they too big for me
[06:37] <not_found> just before I left SA I paid 189 for 1gb... glad to hear it as come down some
[06:37] <mazal> Do they have proper routers with wi-fi as well ?
[06:37] <Kilos> yip they sell routers and 3g modems
[06:37] <Kilos> modems are R399
[06:38] <mazal> I don't want a modem. I despise connection sharing and I have e wi-fi devices as well
[06:38] <mazal> 3*
[06:38] <Kilos> you can get from telkom stores and some partner stores
[06:39] <mazal> Currently I pay R247 for 1mb speed
[06:39] <mazal> So speed wise that is better
[06:39] <mazal> Yours I mean is better
[06:39] <Kilos> 1 mb is slow
[06:39] <mazal> Telkom sharks , what can we say
[06:39] <Kilos> mine is 4.7 mb/s i think the pro said
[06:40] <mazal> BUUUT , where I live I don't know if I will get that good signal
[06:40] <Kilos> there are coverage maps
[06:40] <Kilos> pta is well covered
[06:41] <mazal> I know we have 8ta , just don't know how strong
[06:41] <Kilos> Maaz, google telkom 3g coverage in pretoria
[06:41] <Maaz> Kilos: "Coverage - Telkom Mobile" http://www.telkommobile.co.za/coverage/ :: "Coverage Map - Telkom" http://www.telkom.co.za/coverage/tm.html :: "do 3G - Telkom Residential" http://residential.telkom.co.za/broadband-internet/value-added-services/do-3g/faq.html :: "Fixed Line Look Alike (FLLA) - Telkom Residential" http://residential.telkom.co.za/voice-services
[06:41] <Maaz> /line-rental/fixed-line-look-alike/ :: "Telkom (South Africa) - Wikipedia, the free encycloped…
[06:41] <mazal> I'm not in PTA :P
[06:42] <Kilos> man it shoes past as well
[06:42] <Kilos> shows
[06:42] <mazal> lol
[06:42] <Kilos> you click where you are
[06:43] <mazal> I'll ask a friend of mine who has 8ta to come visit me. Want to see it in practice.
[06:43] <Kilos> or fone them and give your co-ords
[06:43] <mazal> Never trust Telkom promises over the phone , this I learned 
[06:44] <Kilos> sims are cheap
[06:44] <Kilos> no man fone the 8ta peeps
[06:49] <mazal> And how easy or hard is it to top-up when your data is done ?
[06:49] <Kilos> very simple
[06:49] <mazal> How is the process for that ?
[06:49] <Kilos> i do it online now
[06:50] <Kilos> wait i get the link
[06:50] <mazal> Do they have a site you register on ?
[06:50] <mazal> Cos that is also a concern for me , when data is done I need to quickly and easily add data
[06:50] <Kilos> ya
[06:51] <Kilos> https://kya.8ta.com/onnet/public/mobileData
[06:51] <Kilos> also you can install prepaid-manager-applet from the repos and use that
[06:53] <Kilos> they also have a deal of 25+25g bundle
[06:53] <Kilos> but thats R999
[06:53] <mazal> Is Telkom mobile and 8ta the same thing ?
[06:53] <Kilos> expires after 6 months i think
[06:53] <Kilos> ya so min of meer
[06:54] <Kilos> with 8ta they do your complaining to the telkom peeps
[06:54] <Kilos> they are like a branch of telkom
[06:55] <mazal> Don't see any routers on their site
[06:56] <Kilos> is there no query place there
[06:57] <Kilos> i cant browse till i get more data
[06:57] <mazal> And their top-up severely expensive. R119 for 1 gig
[06:57] <Kilos> blew 2.4g last night
[06:58] <Kilos> look at the promotions
[06:59] <Kilos> i think the pro gets the 10+10 one
[06:59] <mazal> all I see is a 2gig one and then it jumps to 25g. Telkom mobile seems to cater more for cellphones
[07:00] <mazal> I see the 10g one
[07:01] <Kilos> look here i dunno whats there
[07:01] <mazal> The +10 don't really help anything. Who is awake that time of night
[07:01] <Kilos> http://www.cyberconnect.co.za/8ta-data-deals
[07:02] <Kilos> you can set things to download while you are asleep
[07:02] <Kilos> i go do sheep
[07:02] <Trixar_za> http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/bb/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=904&p=10770#p10770
[07:02] <Trixar_za> I'll just call that done with
[07:02] <Trixar_za> :p
[07:11] <Kilos> updated again Trixar_za ?
[07:12] <Kilos> hi Xethron 
[07:13] <Trixar_za> No, I just bothered to let the usb_modeswitch guys know about it since I've been getting some traffic from the site
[07:13] <Kilos> ah
[07:14] <Kilos> only thing that dont work here when i use sakis3g is my evolution mail stays offline
[07:22] <Kilos> oh my mage is gone
[07:23] <Kilos> Glego leeee coooowweeee
[07:34] <Kilos> hmm...
[07:34] <Kilos> Modem error: Getting IMSI failed: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.ModemManager.Modem.Connected: Cannot perform this operation while connected
[07:35] <Trixar_za> Kilos: That's probably because Evolution plugs into Network Manager, so unless the connection is done through it, the Evolution doesn't see the it
[07:35] <Trixar_za> client*
[07:35] <Kilos> aw but thats not serious for now anyway
[07:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peoples
[07:39] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:20] <mazal> Kilos , how do you schedule downloads ? I haven't found a dl manager for Ubuntu that can schedule
[08:20] <Kilos> a command called at
[08:21] <Kilos> at 23.00
[08:21] <Kilos> i always have to ask for the correct command
[08:22]  * not_found wonders if wget has a built in scheduler...
[08:22] <Kilos> i use wget it the at command
[08:23] <Kilos> sudo at 23.00
[08:23] <Kilos> then wget link
[08:23] <Kilos> i think
[08:24] <mazal> I have seen an almost ok one now
[08:25] <mazal> But the router doesn't have ethernet ports
[08:25] <Kilos> eish
[08:25] <mazal> R159 , 5gb per month
[08:25] <Kilos> wow
[08:25] <mazal> That would have been perfect for me , but no proper router
[08:26] <Kilos> a 3g modem?
[08:26] <Kilos> and locked to what isp?
[08:27] <Kilos> must be locked at that price
[08:34] <mazal> I found a proper router on their site , but it's linked to big data contracts :-(
[08:34] <mazal> http://www.telkommobile.co.za/devices/detail/huawei-b686#specs
[08:35] <mazal> But it doesn't want to open the specs for me. But that looks like ethernet ports to me
[08:35] <mazal> If I can get that router , with the 3gig bundle , and proper signal , then I'll be ok
[08:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> has anyone worked at hetzner? or knows someone who has?
[08:54] <mazal> This one's specs open: http://www.telkommobile.co.za/devices/detail/huawei-b683
[08:54] <mazal> I assume the Wi-fi will be lan wi-fi ?
[08:59] <Kilos> where you see R159 , 5gb per month  mazal 
[09:00] <mazal> It's in that interactive brochure Kilos 
[09:00] <mazal> http://www.telkommobile.co.za/deals/
[09:00] <mazal> Then click on the " Check out our interactive brochure "
[09:01] <Kilos> ty
[09:01] <Kilos> i would love 5g data at that price
[09:01] <mazal> Page 4 , on the top , the 3rd deal
[09:02] <mazal> Pitty that modem that comes with that one doesn't have ethernet though
[09:02] <mazal> That deal would have been perfect for me. I average 3 to 5 gig per month
[09:02] <Kilos> at thats price id put the sim in my modem
[09:03] <Kilos> and let the router rest
[09:04] <mazal> Sorry that one is 3gig Kilos , not 5 hey
[09:05] <Kilos> even so thats better than 2+1 for R10 less
[09:05] <Kilos> but that page eats data with all the moving stuff
[09:09] <mazal> I would have really gone for that one , but I need ethernet on my router
[09:10] <mazal> With that router you will only be able to connect wi-fi devices
[09:13] <mazal> I wonder if they would be willing to give me the bigger router with ethernet on that contract and I just pay in cash to make up the difference of the router
[09:13] <Kilos> it wont hurt to ask
[10:02] <Kilos> hi charl
[10:03] <Kilos> hi superfly Superhuman 
[10:04] <Kilos> see our poor mage is missing?
[10:04] <Kilos> sigh
[14:56] <inetpro> Maaz: tell mazal buy your own router separately like the Huawei B683 21Mbps 3G Wireless Router and then get a prepaid 8ta sim to test your connection, if it fails use CellC, MTN or Vodacom
[14:56] <Maaz> inetpro: Sure, I'll tell mazal on freenode
[14:57] <mazal> Thanx inetpro , but the prepaid is too expensive , otherwise that would be exactly what I would do
[14:57] <Maaz> mazal: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell mazal buy your own router separately like the Huawei B683 21Mbps 3G Wireless Router and then get a prepaid 8ta sim to test your connection, if it fails use CellC, MTN or Vodacom" 38 seconds ago
[14:58] <inetpro> hmm... didn't notice you log in now 
[14:58] <mazal> Hehehe , it was like 1sec
[14:58] <inetpro> mazal: prepaid is very flexible
[14:59] <inetpro> you can get very cheap sims
[14:59] <mazal> I just not gonna pay R100+ just for 1 gig. That's just too much. I get 5gig for that now
[15:00] <mazal> I could never , and still can't understand why prepaid users have to be robbed
[15:00] <inetpro> you can get 250MB for R38
[15:00] <inetpro> just to test
[15:01] <mazal> For test I'm gonna ask 'n tjommie of mine , he has an 8ta stick , that will show me how strong the signal is here
[15:01] <inetpro> just make sure it is a data sim 
[15:02] <inetpro> if they haven't set it as a data sim you can not use the promotional options
[15:02] <mazal> And I know his stick works on my install so will be quick plug and test. He tested at my previous flat , couldn't even get edge there lol
[15:04] <mazal> The other 3 cell companies are completely useless here , won't even consider them
[15:05] <inetpro> sounds like you might even have a problem with 8ta as well
[15:05] <mazal> Well at his home (1km from me) his 8ta runs at about 3.8mb/s
[15:06] <mazal> And the 1km that I am from him is 1km nearer to town where the tower is. So mine , in theory , should be good as well
[15:06] <inetpro> a high gain antenna might help you as well
[15:06] <inetpro> can you see the tower from your house?
[15:07] <mazal> Nope
[15:07] <inetpro> you need line of sight to get the best signal
[15:07] <mazal> **sigh** , nothing beats cable. But cable is so expensive
[15:08] <inetpro> true
[15:08] <inetpro> but the bigger problem is the fact that Telkom doesn't want to install lines these days any more
[15:08] <mazal> I'm gonna see them when I'm in PTA again and ask about that router if they willing to give it on a 3gig contract or what other contract they willing to give it
[15:09] <inetpro> mazal: what router are you looking at?
[15:09] <mazal> If there is a good option , I will consider. Otherwise I will just stick with my current adsl. Slow but reliable
[15:09] <mazal> I think it's exactly that one you mentioned. I know it's B6 something
[15:10] <inetpro> ahh
[15:10] <mazal> In their site they only have it on the 7.5gig contract though
[15:10] <mazal> Then price jumps past what I'm paying now
[15:10] <inetpro> just make sure you can connect an external antenna
[15:11] <inetpro> for when you need it
[15:11] <mazal> k
[15:11] <inetpro> unless you really don't need it
[15:41] <magespawn> Good evening 
[15:57] <charl> hi magespawn 
[16:00] <magespawn> Hi charl
[17:46] <Kilos> evening all
[17:46] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[17:47] <Kilos> that mobile doctor works kiff
[17:53] <magespawn> Hey Kilos
[17:53] <magespawn> Does that mean everything is working?
[17:55] <Kilos> yeah i dunno what happened this morning, modem stopped working then pc wouldnt even see my old modem after fsck/s and reboots but the doctor sorted it
[17:56] <Kilos> oh even sakis3g couldnt see either of the modems
[18:02] <Kilos> and it flies magespawn over 1/2 mB/s
[18:03] <Kilos> so data min till sis gets to shops
[18:03] <Kilos> sleep tight all
[18:03] <Squirm> lo
[18:29] <magespawn> Hey Squirm
[18:30] <Squirm> hey magespawn 
[18:42] <magespawn> I am off good night all
[20:39]  * ThatGraemeGuy yawns