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micahgOvenWerks: I'll need to get a second review00:30
micahgOvenWerks: hrm, I'm not sure what this is for00:31
micahgso, this is a GUI?00:32
OvenWerksmicahg: half and half, It works with a mouse. The progress bar shows in the terminal. It works in any flavour of ubuntu without any extra packages.00:42
OvenWerksIt takes the packages for the user to select from the command line, so it can be used in different ways with just a different desktop file.00:43
OvenWerksWe were using USC, but many of the flavours (lubuntu and kde) don't ship USC and setting that as a depends would bloat things too much.00:44
micahgOvenWerks: if you're iterating over the list anyways, why not just use apt-cache show00:44
OvenWerksI do00:45
micahgI see apt-cache search00:45
micahgyou could use apt-cache show $ARGV[$count] | grep Description00:45
OvenWerksI had problems with show then.00:45
micahgthen you wouldn't have to iterate over the output, just check if you have any00:46
OvenWerksThe speed doesn't seem to be real slow, but I can try that too.00:47
OvenWerksI did try different things, so far this seems to have worked best. I am willing to try more stuff though.00:47
micahghrm00:48
micahgOvenWerks: take a look at libapt-pkg-perl and AptPkg::PkgRecords, you should be able to do it without hitting the command line00:51
micahgbut I guess we could upload as is00:51
OvenWerkszenity does have a progress bar, but I was having difficulty dealing with the whole of apt-gets progress. just downloading the packages goes to 100%00:53
micahghrm, I wonder if libapt-pkg-perl can help00:53
OvenWerksI will take a look.00:54
OvenWerksmicahg: I was hoping to have it available so ubuntustudio-menu could depend on it.00:58
micahgOvenWerks: ok, I'll review and try to get someone else to as well and then upload, will ping when it happens01:02
OvenWerksThank you. maybe by 14.04 I will have figured out an all GUI setup.01:04
micahgOvenWerks: I have a question, do you want the Ubuntu Studio Meta Installer shipped with Ubuntu Studio??01:09
micahgright now if menu depends on it, you'll have that desktop entry on your image01:10
micahgand upgraders will get it as well01:10
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Lumpyheyas01:24
Lumpyand OvenWerks i want to pick your brain when i get off the air01:24
Lumpyif you have the time01:24
Lumpyi have some cli question01:24
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micahgOvenWerks: I have 3 lintian warnings on the binary02:57
* micahg waves to ScottL 02:57
ScottLhi micahg, how are you doing?03:21
micahgok, and you?03:22
ScottLdoing well03:23
ScottLbeen playing with amazon ec2 and juju a bit03:23
ScottLdoing music again03:23
ScottLand should be starting school in sept for an IT degree with network design and management focus03:24
OvenWerksHey ScottL good to see you03:34
ScottLhi len03:34
OvenWerksmicahg: I guess I just ran it against the src.03:34
micahgOvenWerks: ok, would you mind fixing?03:38
OvenWerksdownloading a binary now.03:39
micahgthanks03:41
OvenWerksmicahg: how come these things don't show up when running lintian against the src package?03:43
micahgthose checks might be binary only checks03:46
OvenWerksI will do both from now on.03:46
micahggreat03:47
smartboyhwI'm back!!!!!06:58
zequenceScottL: Happy to hear about your school plans07:49
zequenceScottL: And thanks for handing over the last stuff07:50
zequencesmartboyhw: Yes, it seems you are :P07:50
zequencesmartboyhw: How was your England trip?07:50
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zequenceOvenWerks: I don't think the menu should depend on the installer12:35
zequenceWe could create a new meta package that includes the menu, the installer, and the redone controls application12:36
smartboyhwHi zequence:)12:37
zequencesmartboyhw: hi12:38
zequencesmartboyhw: How was your trip to England?12:38
smartboyhwzequence: Great!12:38
zequenceFinally got a new processor for my server. AMD 8 core piledriver12:48
smartboyhwzequence: Wa,12:49
smartboyhwHow many GHz?12:49
zequenceGoing to try using virtual machines for development now for a while12:49
zequence3.5 GHz. Doesn't need to be a monster12:49
smartboyhw:)12:49
zequencebesides, I'm sure compiling a kernel should not take long with 8 cores12:49
smartboyhwzequence: Ofc la12:50
zequenceOnly a week left until I travel to Switzerland. DebConf begins the following Sunday. 13:00
OvenWerkszequence: the reason the menu would depend on the installer is that it can be used for the extra software items instead of usc. that way they will work in all flavours.13:07
zequenceOvenWerks: I don't see why the installer needs to fulfill a specific purpose like that. If someone wants the installer, they can just install that13:09
zequenceand using that, they can install other things, like the menu13:09
zequenceOvenWerks: I haven't yet tried in command line on Ubuntu. Does it work without zenity?13:09
OvenWerksI think zenity works without x13:09
OvenWerksI can try it on my headless machine.13:10
OvenWerksnope, not a part of server13:10
OvenWerksis there areason you feel it needs to be termonal only?13:11
* OvenWerks just woke up...13:11
zequenceOvenWerks: I think it could be both. If zenity wont's start, make it strictly command line.13:13
zequenceThough, there may be little point13:13
zequenceSince you can always just use apt-get for that13:13
zequenceAnd I suppose the whole point of the installer is to give the user an easy gui alternative13:14
OvenWerksI was looking for a gui installer yes (and the progress bar may get that soon too). It does not make sense to use one of our metas on a headless server as most of the apps need x13:16
zequenceYeah13:16
zequenceexcept, when you do the initial install13:16
zequencebut, again, you can just use apt13:17
zequenceI'm going to create a Ubuntu Studio System Settings application, which in a way will be what -controls has been so far13:17
zequence-controls will be an indicator application only, with starters for both the installer and the system settings13:18
zequencepreferably also controls for jack13:18
OvenWerksI was developing for quite a narrow use :) the possibility of expanding is always there. Getting its first release lets it fill two needs now13:18
zequenceYeah, it could be used for installing other multimedia stuff as well13:19
OvenWerksyup13:19
OvenWerksThe idea is for it to be a new app for each desktop file.13:19
zequenceOvenWerks: Sorry, I didn't get the last part13:20
OvenWerkszequence: it is a different installer depending on the *.desktop file.13:25
OvenWerksI could add search and other things, but why? LSC already does that if usc is too heavy13:26
OvenWerksanyway I need to go.13:26
zequenceLSC?13:27
zequenceLubuntu Software Center?13:27
zequencelater13:27
OvenWerkswrote my first man page :P21:34
OvenWerksnext they will start calling a developer...21:34
zequenceOvenWerks: have you had a look at the apps that falktx has done btw?21:36
zequenceOvenWerks: There might be things he has done that are in the lines of what we do, and therefore, might be good to see if we can use any of that21:36
OvenWerksI have looked at some in the past. I don't really like the control app... but then I have real specific ideas of what _I_ want :)21:37
OvenWerksHe keeps says he will do a debian release.21:37
zequenceOvenWerks: I'm not too worried about falktx opinions, or yours, or mine. Just what is best for Ubuntu Studio21:38
OvenWerksI here the lv2/dssi container works really well though21:38
zequencethe controls app was a bit messy IMO as well21:38
OvenWerks*hear21:38
zequenceYes, the multi plugin host is probably a great addition to the choice of apps we have21:39
zequenceto Linux Audio in general21:39
zequenceHe's done a couple of other apps too21:39
OvenWerksI agree21:39
zequenceone that has a list of applications in it, that also shows what they support21:39
OvenWerksI haven't really had time to get into session management, so I haven't tried that. Mostly I just use ardour, one track at a time.21:40
zequencethat would be yet another areas, yeah21:41
zequencearea*21:41
zequenceI'm pretty much the same there21:41
zequenceI don't need it myself21:41
zequencebut, it would be great for new users probably21:41
OvenWerksI don't really play KB, so that is a blind side for me21:42
OvenWerksI do have a small set of pads, but am really out of practice with drums of any kind.21:43
zequenceOvenWerks: I'm sure you've heard about Ubuntu Edge21:44
zequencehttp://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge--3721:44
zequenceThe funding seems to be slowing down21:44
zequenceit's behind now21:44
zequenceI'd buy one, if I had the cash right now21:46
zequencepretty awesome stuff21:46
OvenWerksI think that is my feeling too... if. Right now there are so many things I would like, that is not to close to the top of the list.21:48
OvenWerksWhere our family plans are headed though might move it up a bit...21:49
zequenceOvenWerks: You've really done a great job on Ubuntu Studio development lately. On actual development work, I suppose you're the only contributor for a while21:49
OvenWerksone project at a time21:50
OvenWerksI wish it was possible to get more application fixes done.21:51
zequenceI'm cleaning up some stuff before feature freeze at least21:51
OvenWerksI start to get lost pretty quick once things get to 100 lines of code or so... even more so if it is someone elses code.21:51
zequenceour projects and packages need to be cleaned up21:51
zequenceIt's quite problematic keeping order in code21:53
zequenceI find21:53
zequenceunix thinking is probably not a bad idea21:54
zequencetry to keep tools small and uncomplicated, and then use layers above the tools for combining them21:54
OvenWerksYa.21:56
zequenceOvenWerks: Scott handed over some of the last projects that were not owned by ubuntustudio-core before. I'm thinking of doing a complete overhaul on all of our projects, and also moving sources where they belong, and so forth21:59
zequenceOvenWerks: Think I'll wait until post 13.10, or at least until we're done developing21:59
zequenceI'm leaning towards making all the organization, planning and LP stuff as much project based as possible22:02
zequenceper package in the case of code22:03
OvenWerksOK22:16
holstein!nvidia23:35
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