[00:30] <micahg> OvenWerks: I'll need to get a second review
[00:31] <micahg> OvenWerks: hrm, I'm not sure what this is for
[00:32] <micahg> so, this is a GUI?
[00:42] <OvenWerks> micahg: half and half, It works with a mouse. The progress bar shows in the terminal. It works in any flavour of ubuntu without any extra packages.
[00:43] <OvenWerks> It takes the packages for the user to select from the command line, so it can be used in different ways with just a different desktop file.
[00:44] <OvenWerks> We were using USC, but many of the flavours (lubuntu and kde) don't ship USC and setting that as a depends would bloat things too much.
[00:44] <micahg> OvenWerks: if you're iterating over the list anyways, why not just use apt-cache show
[00:45] <OvenWerks> I do
[00:45] <micahg> I see apt-cache search
[00:45] <micahg> you could use apt-cache show $ARGV[$count] | grep Description
[00:45] <OvenWerks> I had problems with show then.
[00:46] <micahg> then you wouldn't have to iterate over the output, just check if you have any
[00:47] <OvenWerks> The speed doesn't seem to be real slow, but I can try that too.
[00:47] <OvenWerks> I did try different things, so far this seems to have worked best. I am willing to try more stuff though.
[00:48] <micahg> hrm
[00:51] <micahg> OvenWerks: take a look at libapt-pkg-perl and AptPkg::PkgRecords, you should be able to do it without hitting the command line
[00:51] <micahg> but I guess we could upload as is
[00:53] <OvenWerks> zenity does have a progress bar, but I was having difficulty dealing with the whole of apt-gets progress. just downloading the packages goes to 100%
[00:53] <micahg> hrm, I wonder if libapt-pkg-perl can help
[00:54] <OvenWerks> I will take a look.
[00:58] <OvenWerks> micahg: I was hoping to have it available so ubuntustudio-menu could depend on it.
[01:02] <micahg> OvenWerks: ok, I'll review and try to get someone else to as well and then upload, will ping when it happens
[01:04] <OvenWerks> Thank you. maybe by 14.04 I will have figured out an all GUI setup.
[01:09] <micahg> OvenWerks: I have a question, do you want the Ubuntu Studio Meta Installer shipped with Ubuntu Studio??
[01:10] <micahg> right now if menu depends on it, you'll have that desktop entry on your image
[01:10] <micahg> and upgraders will get it as well
[01:24] <Lumpy> heyas
[01:24] <Lumpy> and OvenWerks i want to pick your brain when i get off the air
[01:24] <Lumpy> if you have the time
[01:24] <Lumpy> i have some cli question
[02:57] <micahg> OvenWerks: I have 3 lintian warnings on the binary
[02:57]  * micahg waves to ScottL 
[03:21] <ScottL> hi micahg, how are you doing?
[03:22] <micahg> ok, and you?
[03:23] <ScottL> doing well
[03:23] <ScottL> been playing with amazon ec2 and juju a bit
[03:23] <ScottL> doing music again
[03:24] <ScottL> and should be starting school in sept for an IT degree with network design and management focus
[03:34] <OvenWerks> Hey ScottL good to see you
[03:34] <ScottL> hi len
[03:34] <OvenWerks> micahg: I guess I just ran it against the src.
[03:38] <micahg> OvenWerks: ok, would you mind fixing?
[03:39] <OvenWerks> downloading a binary now.
[03:41] <micahg> thanks
[03:43] <OvenWerks> micahg: how come these things don't show up when running lintian against the src package?
[03:46] <micahg> those checks might be binary only checks
[03:46] <OvenWerks> I will do both from now on.
[03:47] <micahg> great
[06:58] <smartboyhw> I'm back!!!!!
[07:49] <zequence> ScottL: Happy to hear about your school plans
[07:50] <zequence> ScottL: And thanks for handing over the last stuff
[07:50] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes, it seems you are :P
[07:50] <zequence> smartboyhw: How was your England trip?
[12:35] <zequence> OvenWerks: I don't think the menu should depend on the installer
[12:36] <zequence> We could create a new meta package that includes the menu, the installer, and the redone controls application
[12:37] <smartboyhw> Hi zequence:)
[12:38] <zequence> smartboyhw: hi
[12:38] <zequence> smartboyhw: How was your trip to England?
[12:38] <smartboyhw> zequence: Great!
[12:48] <zequence> Finally got a new processor for my server. AMD 8 core piledriver
[12:49] <smartboyhw> zequence: Wa,
[12:49] <smartboyhw> How many GHz?
[12:49] <zequence> Going to try using virtual machines for development now for a while
[12:49] <zequence> 3.5 GHz. Doesn't need to be a monster
[12:49] <smartboyhw> :)
[12:49] <zequence> besides, I'm sure compiling a kernel should not take long with 8 cores
[12:50] <smartboyhw> zequence: Ofc la
[13:00] <zequence> Only a week left until I travel to Switzerland. DebConf begins the following Sunday. 
[13:07] <OvenWerks> zequence: the reason the menu would depend on the installer is that it can be used for the extra software items instead of usc. that way they will work in all flavours.
[13:09] <zequence> OvenWerks: I don't see why the installer needs to fulfill a specific purpose like that. If someone wants the installer, they can just install that
[13:09] <zequence> and using that, they can install other things, like the menu
[13:09] <zequence> OvenWerks: I haven't yet tried in command line on Ubuntu. Does it work without zenity?
[13:09] <OvenWerks> I think zenity works without x
[13:10] <OvenWerks> I can try it on my headless machine.
[13:10] <OvenWerks> nope, not a part of server
[13:11] <OvenWerks> is there areason you feel it needs to be termonal only?
[13:11]  * OvenWerks just woke up...
[13:13] <zequence> OvenWerks: I think it could be both. If zenity wont's start, make it strictly command line.
[13:13] <zequence> Though, there may be little point
[13:13] <zequence> Since you can always just use apt-get for that
[13:14] <zequence> And I suppose the whole point of the installer is to give the user an easy gui alternative
[13:16] <OvenWerks> I was looking for a gui installer yes (and the progress bar may get that soon too). It does not make sense to use one of our metas on a headless server as most of the apps need x
[13:16] <zequence> Yeah
[13:16] <zequence> except, when you do the initial install
[13:17] <zequence> but, again, you can just use apt
[13:17] <zequence> I'm going to create a Ubuntu Studio System Settings application, which in a way will be what -controls has been so far
[13:18] <zequence> -controls will be an indicator application only, with starters for both the installer and the system settings
[13:18] <zequence> preferably also controls for jack
[13:18] <OvenWerks> I was developing for quite a narrow use :) the possibility of expanding is always there. Getting its first release lets it fill two needs now
[13:19] <zequence> Yeah, it could be used for installing other multimedia stuff as well
[13:19] <OvenWerks> yup
[13:19] <OvenWerks> The idea is for it to be a new app for each desktop file.
[13:20] <zequence> OvenWerks: Sorry, I didn't get the last part
[13:25] <OvenWerks> zequence: it is a different installer depending on the *.desktop file.
[13:26] <OvenWerks> I could add search and other things, but why? LSC already does that if usc is too heavy
[13:26] <OvenWerks> anyway I need to go.
[13:27] <zequence> LSC?
[13:27] <zequence> Lubuntu Software Center?
[13:27] <zequence> later
[21:34] <OvenWerks> wrote my first man page :P
[21:34] <OvenWerks> next they will start calling a developer...
[21:36] <zequence> OvenWerks: have you had a look at the apps that falktx has done btw?
[21:36] <zequence> OvenWerks: There might be things he has done that are in the lines of what we do, and therefore, might be good to see if we can use any of that
[21:37] <OvenWerks> I have looked at some in the past. I don't really like the control app... but then I have real specific ideas of what _I_ want :)
[21:37] <OvenWerks> He keeps says he will do a debian release.
[21:38] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'm not too worried about falktx opinions, or yours, or mine. Just what is best for Ubuntu Studio
[21:38] <OvenWerks> I here the lv2/dssi container works really well though
[21:38] <zequence> the controls app was a bit messy IMO as well
[21:38] <OvenWerks> *hear
[21:39] <zequence> Yes, the multi plugin host is probably a great addition to the choice of apps we have
[21:39] <zequence> to Linux Audio in general
[21:39] <zequence> He's done a couple of other apps too
[21:39] <OvenWerks> I agree
[21:39] <zequence> one that has a list of applications in it, that also shows what they support
[21:40] <OvenWerks> I haven't really had time to get into session management, so I haven't tried that. Mostly I just use ardour, one track at a time.
[21:41] <zequence> that would be yet another areas, yeah
[21:41] <zequence> area*
[21:41] <zequence> I'm pretty much the same there
[21:41] <zequence> I don't need it myself
[21:41] <zequence> but, it would be great for new users probably
[21:42] <OvenWerks> I don't really play KB, so that is a blind side for me
[21:43] <OvenWerks> I do have a small set of pads, but am really out of practice with drums of any kind.
[21:44] <zequence> OvenWerks: I'm sure you've heard about Ubuntu Edge
[21:44] <zequence> http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge--37
[21:44] <zequence> The funding seems to be slowing down
[21:44] <zequence> it's behind now
[21:46] <zequence> I'd buy one, if I had the cash right now
[21:46] <zequence> pretty awesome stuff
[21:48] <OvenWerks> I think that is my feeling too... if. Right now there are so many things I would like, that is not to close to the top of the list.
[21:49] <OvenWerks> Where our family plans are headed though might move it up a bit...
[21:49] <zequence> OvenWerks: You've really done a great job on Ubuntu Studio development lately. On actual development work, I suppose you're the only contributor for a while
[21:50] <OvenWerks> one project at a time
[21:51] <OvenWerks> I wish it was possible to get more application fixes done.
[21:51] <zequence> I'm cleaning up some stuff before feature freeze at least
[21:51] <OvenWerks> I start to get lost pretty quick once things get to 100 lines of code or so... even more so if it is someone elses code.
[21:51] <zequence> our projects and packages need to be cleaned up
[21:53] <zequence> It's quite problematic keeping order in code
[21:53] <zequence> I find
[21:54] <zequence> unix thinking is probably not a bad idea
[21:54] <zequence> try to keep tools small and uncomplicated, and then use layers above the tools for combining them
[21:56] <OvenWerks> Ya.
[21:59] <zequence> OvenWerks: Scott handed over some of the last projects that were not owned by ubuntustudio-core before. I'm thinking of doing a complete overhaul on all of our projects, and also moving sources where they belong, and so forth
[21:59] <zequence> OvenWerks: Think I'll wait until post 13.10, or at least until we're done developing
[22:02] <zequence> I'm leaning towards making all the organization, planning and LP stuff as much project based as possible
[22:03] <zequence> per package in the case of code
[22:16] <OvenWerks> OK
[23:35] <holstein> !nvidia