=== zmoylan1 is now known as zmoylan [17:12] hello all [17:15] hi [17:17] Belgarath, hey there [17:17] Belgarath, and welcome [17:27] hello [18:39] evening all [18:40] hi [18:41] hello [18:46] :-) [18:47] brb [19:00] meeting in 30 mins (ish) [19:25] hello [19:25] hi [19:25] hello [19:26] * tdr112 is at ohm [19:27] tdr112 ohhhh on a phone or a proper keyboard? [19:27] evening ebel [19:27] 'evening [19:27] laptop out [19:28] ebel: you chair? [19:28] 10g internet in a camp site and power its great [19:28] or me [19:28] 3k hackers [19:28] 10g internet? [19:28] saw people tweeting earlier that they couldn't get data there [19:28] airurando:you prob. know more of the agenda.... ;) [19:28] GB [19:28] g -> GB [19:29] ok ebel [19:29] my apologies for bad typing in advance...on a tablet...and moving [19:29] vic9098 and Bpb101 howdy [19:29] howdy [19:29] Huzzah room [19:30] hurumble! \o/ [19:31] great to see so many here. [19:31] we will start [19:31] if othere come along they can join in. [19:32] #startmeeting Summer Team Meeting [19:32] Meeting started Thu Aug 1 19:32:12 2013 UTC. The chair is airurando. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [19:32] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [19:32] Welcome everyone! [19:32] The agenda for this meeting can be found at: [19:33] http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-ie/630/detail/ [19:33] If you are in this channel specifically for this meeting (and I hope you are) please confirm your presence by typing PRESENT and hitting enter. [19:33] PRESENT [19:33] PRESENT [19:33] PRESENT [19:33] PRESENT [19:33] PRESENT [19:33] PRESENT [19:34] PRESENT [19:34] Great stuff! Now on to the agenda items in order. [19:34] #topic Summary of successful 2013 reapproval [19:34] big thanks to airurando on this [19:35] Yeah, fair play airurando [19:35] :-) [19:35] thanks [19:35] Yes indeed, great stuff, thanks [19:35] he did a great job leanding us forward [19:35] Our Teams approval status expired at the end of June (at the moment, approved status lasts only 2 years and needs to be reapplied for at the time of expiry) [19:35] and creating all the wiki pages for it, thanks airurando [19:35] We applied for reapproval at the LoCo Council meeting on 16 Jul 13 [19:36] Minutes and Logs of the meeting can be found at: [19:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Minutes/20130716 [19:37] We were the third and last team up for reapproval. Two very impressive teams preceeded us (The Japanese Team and the Tunisian Team). [19:37] yeah, it was like 5am for the japanese team [19:37] Thanks to vic9098 who provided some valuable input during the preparation of the application [19:38] lies i tell ya [19:38] tdr112, zmoylan and of course czajkowski gave great support to my luke warm efforts to promote the Irish LoCo. [19:38] Sorry I missed that folk , Got mixed up on the days :P [19:38] np [19:38] yeah, sorry i missed it too. I was at riverdance with some visiting relatives [19:38] We gave a frank account of our diminished activity over the last two years. [19:38] no problem vic9098 or ebel [19:39] special mention to tdr112 who did it on the bus with dying battery :-) [19:39] :P [19:39] indeed :-) [19:39] We did state that some activity still existed and reboot efforts were ongoing. [19:39] The LoCo council recognised this lull in activity as a fairly common occurrence. [19:40] A short discussion developed focussed on getting new enthusiastic members to join LoCos. [19:40] It was clear that there is no easy way [19:40] The council approved our reapproval application. So we are now good to go until July 2015! [19:41] I am very thankful to the LoCo council for keeping faith in our LoCo. [19:41] so I think we now have this chance to turn the loco around [19:41] indeed tdr112 [19:41] Now following on from this and, more importantly, following on from the good will expressed during or team reboot efforts both on the mailing list and during recent team meetings, I strongly feel the time is right to firmly put our LoCo on a low level sustainable footing that is not too onerous to maintain at lease until interest and activity grows. [19:42] moving on! [19:42] #topic Team meetings [19:42] Frequency? Timing? [19:43] > every month [19:43] tdr112: I think so too. [19:43] 2 or 3 months [19:43] to frequent in my mind guys [19:43] no longer then two months, but we probs would not have enough uptake for monthly [19:43] at the start at least [19:44] I would say Every Month on a Certin Date . Eg the first Thursday Of every Month at 8.30 /9 pm time [19:44] Mulling this over I came up with: [19:44] that way works best in my experience [19:44] http://pix.ie/ubuntuie/3319678/size/992 [19:44] I dunno, I think there's something to be said for giving people a reason to come to here just to chat about ubuntu stuff. [19:44] I prefer the idea of quarterly meetings to start [19:45] FEB, MAY, AUG and NOV [19:45] well, sorry for cutting in but irc is dead to new users [19:46] looking at the chart there will be ubuntu related stuff to discuss each quarter [19:46] maybe base them around april/oct to coincide with releases [19:46] good point Belgarath [19:46] but we need to keep it open [19:46] good points indeed [19:46] airurando: website with embeded irc client is known to have good results [19:47] Belgarth we have that [19:47] yeah web irc client makes irc a fesiable option for many [19:47] Bonjour everyone sorry im late! [19:47] but it also is an open door to trolls from the other channels i hang out in [19:47] freenode has that [19:48] using irc chat on android right now [19:48] zmoylan: #ubuntu-ie has a open policy. but also has a code of conduct, if people are troublesome, we can and will kick them [19:48] Like vic, I'm using AndroIRC [19:48] I am an op here and can and will kick out trolls. [19:49] ebel: has the power [19:49] just let me (or other ops) know if there's a problem [19:49] what if they behave, the trolls are mean ...that is racist behavior and troll discrimination :P [19:49] I know i dont get to many of these meeting, but has there been much trolls on here with the irc option? [19:49] tickety boo [19:49] discrimination against trolls is fine [19:49] Bpb101: no, none really that I remember [19:49] focus people we have a lot to get through [19:50] sorry for diverting conversation [19:50] back to the topic! [19:50] monthly meetings were partly the cause of things fizzling out [19:50] How do we get new users to use web IRC in the first place? [19:51] mokmeister: send them a link. [19:51] make it look liek a web chat :) [19:51] ahhh! Thanks Ebel [19:51] if you tell them "this is a link to our irc client" nobody will use it [19:51] ebel can you find the link, I don't have it to hand [19:51] if you have "click here to talk to us" some might [19:51] so add a link to tweets of meetings? [19:52] it is not necessary for all new members and users to attend the team meetings [19:52] small steps initially [19:52] http://code.google.com/p/irctotwit/ [19:52] airurando: I think encouraging participation is an important thing though [19:53] we need to find our feet again. [19:53] http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#ubuntu-ie&randomnick=1 [19:53] actaully bridging it to tweeter might ba a good idea [19:54] we were close to dead and the constant meetings, Ubuntu Hours, and other events where only the usual few were turning up caused the demise [19:54] start small and build again [19:54] Maybe use the link the ebel said ,and link it do facebook and twitter 5 minutes or so before the meating [19:55] I like the idea of telling people were the meeting is taking place, but maybe let them decide the medium [19:55] I strongly feel we should start with quarterly meetings [19:55] +1 non-monthly meetings [19:55] we did monthly meetings. now here we are [19:55] +1 q meetings [19:55] airurando: I'll go along with that [19:56] +1 [19:56] +1 quarterly meetings [19:56] mokmeister we can always ramp up if its needed [19:56] call a vote [19:56] yep [19:56] 1 quarterly meetings [19:56] Unanimous [19:57] #vote We will hold quarterly meetings initially in say Feb, May, Aug and Nov each year? [19:57] Please vote on: We will hold quarterly meetings initially in say Feb, May, Aug and Nov each year? [19:57] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [19:57] +1 [19:57] +1 received from airurando [19:57] +1 [19:57] +1 received from zmoylan [19:57] +1 [19:57] +1 received from mokmeister [19:57] -1 [19:57] -1 received from Belgarath [19:57] +1 [19:57] +1 received from Bpb101 [19:57] +1 [19:57] +1 [19:57] +1 received from vic9098 [19:57] +1 received from darrenbatesdub [19:57] +1 [19:57] +1 received from ebel [19:58] all done? [19:58] #endvote [19:58] Voting ended on: We will hold quarterly meetings initially in say Feb, May, Aug and Nov each year? [19:58] Votes for:7 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0 [19:58] Motion carried [19:58] #agreed We will hold quarterly meetings initially in say Feb, May, Aug and Nov each year [19:59] Belgarath would you like to voice your concerns? [19:59] no? [20:00] sure [20:00] my poitn is lack of continuity with such a timwe lapse [20:00] but again I 'm new here [20:00] it takes digging stuff out to remember 3 months down the line what you were doing on the last one [20:01] the irc tends to have the usual suspects online. The mailing list fills the void I find [20:01] valid concerns but really monthly scuppered us last time. If interest grows and the need arises we will switch to more frequent meetings. [20:01] vic 9098 indeed [20:02] fair enough [20:02] no reason those that want to meet up monthly can't? just that the 'official' meetups are 4 times a year [20:02] no silver bullet solution. [20:02] and sorry to be the one person to disrupt it :) [20:02] not at all Belgarath [20:02] no need to apologize Belgarath , your opinion is as valid as any [20:03] indeed zmoylan adhoc meetings could be called by anyone at anytime [20:03] mokmeister +1 [20:03] we'll plough on [20:03] #topic Release Parties [20:04] Should we continue holding them and if so at what frequency? [20:04] Personally I feel we should hold release parties for all releases as an absolute social event minimum [20:04] Never been to one, so we should hold one for 13.10 [20:04] ;-) [20:04] how many are there [20:05] Do folks agree? [20:05] did they move from 2 a year [20:05] suacy party next time... should have a showing of rocky horror to coincide :-) [20:05] 2 per year tdr112 [20:05] 2 a year, least we can do is a meetup twice a year? [20:05] you know that :-) [20:05] vic9098: hahaha! I like it! [20:05] Its oct too [20:06] vic9098 that's an interesting idea [20:06] The initial planning for these could be discussed at the proposed Feb and Aug meetings. [20:07] adhoc meetings could be called if necessary [20:07] push any discussion to the mailing list and that would keep that active? [20:07] Good idea airurando [20:07] indeed zmoylan [20:07] better start some initial planning then! [20:07] sounds good [20:07] :) [20:07] mokmeister will you take care of the midwest? [20:08] Yeah, I could try. [20:08] while we have people here [20:08] who would go to one in Dublin [20:08] i should be able to attend in dublin [20:08] I think we can initially plan to have a party or parties for saucy [20:08] me...back to DCU from Sept [20:08] me also tdr112 [20:09] saucy parties....I like it [20:09] possibly me [20:09] I'm for Dublin tdr112 [20:09] ok, so no reason why we cant have one in Dublin and hold hope for people to go to mokmeister [20:10] aye [20:10] general concensus no need to vote eh? [20:10] or do one definitely in dublin and the other outside dublin? [20:10] I suppose I could contact the comp socs in UL and LIT and see if I could drum up interest in a release party. [20:11] nice mokmeister [20:11] Andru Quinn is active in the LoCo. He has organised stuff in Limerick in the past. [20:11] thought he would be here tonight [20:11] yes, I was at one or two event in UL that he helped organise [20:12] Definitely Dublin release parties... Yes? [20:12] Yes [20:12] yeah [20:12] possibly other release parties outside the Pale [20:12] ebel you still there [20:13] lots of time gone i think we should move on [20:13] ok [20:13] Will we get disks for the release party, or is that a thing of the past? [20:13] if i can go , Dublin would be the best [20:13] mokmeister: discs only for LTS releases [20:14] ok [20:14] Dvds now [20:14] who uses disks to install anymore? optical drives are getting rarer and rarer in mobile hardware [20:14] and we never get them before release parties [20:14] good stuff [20:14] zmoylan: we can possible get the usb drives:) [20:14] #topic Global Jams [20:14] Could they not just mass produce Ubuntu flash drives and send them out, Couldnt be that expensive [20:15] Define a Global Jam for me [20:15] these have never worked well [20:15] What they charge for a phone, dread to see a usb price [20:15] Bpb101: we could do it ourselves [20:15] Bpb101 a topic for a different day [20:15] tdr112 indeed [20:16] darrenbatesdub_: its a weekend where people work on ubuntu together [20:16] dev, bug reports [20:16] testing [20:16] darrenbatesdub_: the idea is to get together, squah bugs, contribute etc. [20:16] website updating [20:17] I think UGJs are both socially and technically valuable for both Ubuntu and our LoCo. For those (if any) not familiar with UGJs: [20:17] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [20:17] 1st bug I'm gonna SQUASH is my own type ;) [20:17] Sounds good - but I'm no dev but would still love to get involved [20:17] but we need interested techies [20:17] *typo! jeez! :D [20:18] oops yes here [20:18] Anyone interested in learning about and leading UGJs? We need to be productive during these if we are to participate. [20:18] no point in just showing up [20:18] I have no idea wht they are about so ... [20:19] but as an absolute minimum I strongly feel we should hold UGJs for the LTS releases. [20:19] Belgarath: check out the wiki and google Ubuntu Global Jam [20:19] Belgarath: they could be great [20:19] * Belgarath googling in background [20:20] but we need leadership [20:20] As an absolute minimum I strongly feel we should hold UGJs for the LTS releases. [20:20] but I'd prefer if we held them for each iteration [20:21] actually 3 month before we can do a testing one [20:21] and upgrade to the new rc :) [20:21] Again, the planning for these could be discussed at the proposed Feb and Aug meeting as appropriate. [20:21] I can offer leadership, but I'm not a 'techie' and chances are I'll be out of here by the time the new LTS comes out [20:22] i think we need a pre ugj for the ugj so that everyone is up to speed for the day [20:23] zmoylan: can you lead this? [20:23] I think that is a good idea [20:23] at the mo, i can't even make it 100% to meetups unfortunately :-/ [20:23] darrenbatesdub_: why out of here by the time the new LTS comes out? [20:24] tdr112: could you lead these? [20:24] ebel could you? [20:24] airurando: i could i am trying to find the dates at the moment [20:24] for the life of me i cant find them [20:24] Belgarath: what about you? [20:25] Isn't the new LTS 14.10? I'm hoping to be in the USA then [20:25] 14.04 [20:25] September of 2014 [20:25] airurando: lets move that discusson to next quaterly meeting [20:25] I need to read a bit in between [20:26] tdr112 sep 13/14/15 [20:26] Belgarath: fair point but the saucy jam is in Sept [20:26] thats fine [20:26] cool [20:26] airurando: I ment my participaion [20:27] not the fact it should go on [20:27] ok i can run something on the sat or sun [20:27] Belgarath: sorry [20:27] a one day thing [20:27] tdr112 great [20:27] leave it withme [20:27] even is we can use the day to figure out how we will do it next time! [20:28] i will use the mailing list to hash out the details [20:28] great [20:28] we'll move on [20:28] others welcome to help [20:28] Productive meetings shouldn't last more than an hour... ;) [20:28] I'll try [20:28] mokmeister: not true [20:29] mokmeister I was just aboutt o say that [20:29] airurando: whats next [20:29] I'll gladly help tdr112 [20:29] mokmeister: depends on a subject [20:29] ah sure only messin [20:29] :) [20:29] the rest of the stuff is FYO [20:29] so ill quickly go through it [20:30] #topic Virtual Ubuntu Developer Summits [20:30] Do people participate in these? [20:30] The next one will be held between the 27th and the 29th of August and at present they are scheduled to occur every 3 months. [20:30] i have never [20:30] nope [20:31] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1308/ [20:31] If you can find the time I'd encourage you all to attend. [20:31] I havent, but i might consider the next one. They are a good idea though [20:31] currently the plan is to hold them every three months [20:31] Twould be interesting just to see what's going on alright [20:31] do if you can [20:32] do sign up for it if you can [20:32] movin on [20:32] #topic Ubuntu Hours and/or Other Social Events [20:32] Adhoc? If so will people actually call any? [20:33] Personally, I am happy to leave this as adhoc. [20:33] thoughts? [20:33] me too [20:33] Same [20:33] yep [20:33] grand [20:33] agreed. Will they happen if left to adhoc though? [20:34] And how will people know that they are happening? Through IRC / mailiing list? [20:34] mokmeister: indeed [20:34] mailing list [20:34] they have been posted on the mailing list and twitter in the past [20:34] it will be up to people to call them [20:34] if they don't well they don't [20:35] we need to facebook, g+ AND tweet them [20:35] anyone on facebook or g+? i don't use them [20:35] I dont use them [20:35] is there an ubuntu-ie on g+? [20:35] zmoylan I do the facebook stuff [20:35] Very active on G+. Facebook for family. [20:35] andru quinn does the G+ [20:36] We could do so much on G+ [20:36] put out the notices on social media but all links back to the wiki? [20:36] very few folk on g+ [20:37] any social media you pick will have x percentage that won't use if for y reason [20:37] zmoylan: not the wiki. The LoCo team portal [20:37] airurando: you are correct, the portal not the wiki [20:37] so we'll leave it at call them when you want [20:38] i ussally post the outings on boards.ie as well , when there one up. Dont know how many people read them though [20:38] thanks for doing that Bpb101 [20:38] #topic Team Administration [20:39] Meeting Minutes/Logs , Team Reports, LoCo Team Portal and our Social Streams [20:39] anyone interested in getting involved with this? [20:39] what does it involve? [20:40] team reports have stopped [20:40] Very interested [20:40] we need someone to take them on [20:40] or we can continue not doing them [20:40] darrenbatesdub_: [20:40] I'll take them. [20:40] great [20:41] I'll chat to you offline darrenbatesdub_ about this [20:41] not a biggy [20:41] Sound. [20:41] I'll continue to take care of the other stuff at present [20:42] #topic Any Other Business [20:42] i have one [20:42] shoot [20:42] czajkowski: is running a mug in dublin (Dublin MongoDB User Group ) [20:42] oh yes. [20:42]