| MooDoo | morning all | 06:19 |
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| MooDoo | #offtopic can you answer this poll for me please? - http://www.paulmellors.net/linux-based-computers/ | 07:42 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: hmm sweets! | 07:48 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: lol it's an idea I got from lensfettish lol | 07:48 |
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| mungbean | picked up the play house for my kid and 2 pieces wouldn't fit in the estate car. smuggled them into the back garden thinking it will be OK for a few days until we get the other bits. first thing my boy says this morning "whats that yellow red and green thing in the garden?" | 08:16 |
| MartijnVdS | ewps | 08:17 |
| mungbean | "ummm its a thing ..." | 08:17 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: how old is he? | 08:17 |
| mungbean | 3.5 | 08:18 |
| mungbean | he didn't know what it was so desribed it perfectly | 08:19 |
| dwatkins | mungbean: you buried it? | 08:20 |
| MartijnVdS | .. or him? | 08:22 |
| mungbean | we hid it in the garden but he noticed | 08:22 |
| MartijnVdS | time for a bigger garden ;) | 08:22 |
| mungbean | i'm clearly not as observant as i wouldn't have been looking out of the window like that | 08:23 |
| popey | morning | 08:24 |
| SuperMatt | morning | 08:25 |
| MartijnVdS | morning popey, SuperMatt | 08:25 |
| popey | MooDoo: i have to say when i saw your blog post I was confused. "These are the words that strike fear into most computer users" - looked up and saw "Linux based computers" ☻ | 08:27 |
| MooDoo | popey: sorry it was more for my windows based friends that are always coming to me with virus issues I wasn't going to post it in here with you lot :) | 08:32 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all, happy Yorkshire Day! :-D | 08:32 |
| MooDoo | I'll update the post title. | 08:32 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: wait.. really? | 08:33 |
| JamesTait | Really! | 08:33 |
| JamesTait | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_Day is one source. | 08:33 |
| mungbean | that moment your machine freezes while momentarily checking facebook on one screen and irc on the other, and you hear your boss coming ... | 08:34 |
| mungbean | ctrl-alt-f1 .....cmon work! | 08:34 |
| JamesTait | mungbean, squeaky bum time! | 08:34 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: boss key :) | 08:34 |
| mungbean | machine froze | 08:34 |
| dwatkins | alt-SysRq-R ;) (don't do this, obviously) | 08:34 |
| mungbean | turn off left monitor | 08:34 |
| mungbean | discretely | 08:34 |
| mungbean | stupid 4gb of RAM | 08:35 |
| dwatkins | I have 16 GB in my laptop, it's usually enough. | 08:36 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: so.. yorkshire pudding, wensleydale cheese? | 08:37 |
| JamesTait | MartijnVdS, yum! | 08:38 |
| JamesTait | I mean, yes! | 08:38 |
| mungbean | grommitttt | 08:38 |
| MooDoo | I tried a stilton/brie cheese the other day omnomnomnom | 08:39 |
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| ali1234 | what's the deal with stilton? i think the only people who eat it are incapable of actually tasting it | 08:41 |
| popey | I quite like stilton | 08:42 |
| JamesTait | me too. | 08:42 |
| popey | mind you there's few cheeses I don't like | 08:42 |
| ali1234 | do you also enjoy eating mouldy bread? | 08:42 |
| ali1234 | because that's what stilton tastes like | 08:42 |
| popey | hah | 08:42 |
| popey | i dont recall tasting mouldy bread | 08:42 |
| dwatkins | I like blue cheese. | 08:42 |
| popey | I almost certainly have though | 08:42 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: do you drink lager? | 08:43 |
| popey | Ooh, its nice and sunny out here, could do with a lager now | 08:43 |
| ali1234 | not really no | 08:43 |
| popey | too early I guess | 08:43 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: it's ok I was only teasing, was going to say if you don't like stilton and drink lager it would explain it as you can't deal with taste ;) | 08:44 |
| ali1234 | i don't like any beer really | 08:44 |
| ali1234 | i'd rather drink wine | 08:44 |
| MooDoo | we need an ubuntu uk home bew club | 08:44 |
| MooDoo | s/brew | 08:44 |
| MooDoo | ali1234: yeah I love a good red :D | 08:45 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: I've already sent a sample to AlanBell and TheOpenSourcerer ;) | 08:45 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: nice, mine are in my mashing bins :D | 08:45 |
| mungbean | scenario: nfs server has high iowait, could be one of many clients/nodes using the data poorly and contention for same spindle - how to identify? | 08:45 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/en/our-beer/ (web shop only works in Dutch for now) | 08:45 |
| MartijnVdS | mungbean: iotop | 08:45 |
| MooDoo | MartijnVdS: these the ones Alan reviewed on his blog? | 08:46 |
| mungbean | just says nfsd | 08:46 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: yes | 08:46 |
| ali1234 | but really though, do people think stilton tastes like normal cheese but a bit stronger? | 08:46 |
| mungbean | also, iptraf shows highest traffic, but might not be traffic, might be contention for same spindle | 08:47 |
| JamesTait | ali1234, define "normal cheese". | 08:47 |
| ali1234 | JamesTait: wensleydale, cheshire etc | 08:47 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: Gouda ;) | 08:47 |
| ali1234 | lancashire | 08:47 |
| ali1234 | they all look pretty similar (well, if you get white stilton anyway) | 08:48 |
| JamesTait | I'm sure there are people who look upon those cheeses as bland, tasteless, whatever. | 08:48 |
| mungbean | i.e. which user is using a particular nfs process? | 08:48 |
| ali1234 | cheshire is probably the strongest of them, but they all taste pretty much the same, ie like cheese | 08:49 |
| JamesTait | I like stilton because it tastes like stilton. :) | 08:49 |
| popey | i prefer soft cheeses | 08:50 |
| JamesTait | I still have half a mini camembert in the fridge. | 08:50 |
| ali1234 | i like camembert | 08:50 |
| JamesTait | I occasionally treat myself to a bacon, brie and avocado sandwich on wholemeal seeded bread. | 08:51 |
| JamesTait | Then wait a few months for my arteries to unclog. ;) | 08:52 |
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| JamesTait | MooDoo, have you published the URL for that poll anywhere else? | 08:55 |
| MooDoo | JamesTait: facebook g+ should I remove it? | 08:55 |
| JamesTait | I don't think so. :) | 08:55 |
| JamesTait | I was just going to share it on Facebook, but if you've already done that I'll share your post instead. ;) | 08:56 |
| MooDoo | thanks :D | 08:57 |
| brobostigon | good morning everyone, | 08:58 |
| MartijnVdS | \o brobostigon | 08:58 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: have you taken MooDoo's poll yet? ;) | 08:58 |
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| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: first i have heard of it. | 08:59 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: I only put it on my blog this morning :D lol | 08:59 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: ah, :) | 08:59 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: just look at the latest blog post on paulmellors.net titled windows based computers | 09:02 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: will do, :). i will add it to my rss also, :) | 09:02 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: oh it's not that exciting lol | 09:03 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: it is, it means i wont miss anything you write, now, :) | 09:03 |
| MooDoo | I'm just working on something and need to gauge peoples interested, people like you who already run linux on a pc won't find it of interest | 09:04 |
| brobostigon | i see. | 09:04 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: no offense meant in that :) lol | 09:05 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: i will forward it to people i know, who do use windows. :) | 09:05 |
| MooDoo | brobostigon: thank you | 09:05 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: youre welcome, | 09:06 |
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| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: there are rounding errors | 09:08 |
| brobostigon | MooDoo: question, you have no direct rss link on your page, it is wordpress, but whats the rss url? | 09:08 |
| MartijnVdS | MooDoo: 7%, 1 Votes vs 6%, 1 Votes | 09:08 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: just put the page in your RSS reader, it should figure it out by itself (using the <link rel="alternate"> tag) | 09:09 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: i see, ok, let me try that. | 09:09 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: alternatively, look at that tag yourself and add the URL in it to your rss reader :) | 09:10 |
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| MooDoo | sory for causing so much hassle lol | 09:13 |
| brobostigon | no worries. | 09:14 |
| MooDoo | I have these ideas that cause hassles lol | 09:15 |
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| davmor2 | Morning all | 09:55 |
| MooDoo | morning davmor2 | 09:55 |
| mungbean | been trying out this gmic suite of plugins for gimp, seems to improve gimp hugely for photo manipulation | 10:28 |
| MooDoo | mungbean: got a url?? | 10:28 |
| mungbean | http://blog.patdavid.net/2013/07/getting-around-in-gimp-photography.html | 10:28 |
| mungbean | http://blog.patdavid.net/2013/02/calvin-hollywood-freaky-details-in-gimp.html | 10:29 |
| mungbean | can't believe i never heard of it before | 10:30 |
| mungbean | i had the latest in the repos but thats cos i had otto's gimp.2.8 repo | 10:31 |
| mgdm | mungbean: oh aye, it's pretty nice | 10:32 |
| MooDoo | nice | 10:32 |
| mgdm | the sharpening stuff actually works | 10:32 |
| MooDoo | glad i'm cancelling my adobe CC subscription at the end of the month :) | 10:33 |
| neuro | funnily enough ... if [ $(bzgrep -c "GET /af/ $AFLOG") -gt 0 ] ... doesn't actually grep the file in the variable $AFLOG ... been looking at that for 20 minutes before i saw it :P | 10:34 |
| * neuro starts to make gurgling noises | 10:34 | |
| * MooDoo pats neuro on the back | 10:39 | |
| neuro | bloody web statistics | 10:39 |
| MooDoo | awstats ftw ;) | 10:40 |
| neuro | i need to massage the logs first | 10:40 |
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| neuro | edward snowden has left the transit area of sheremetyevo | 12:03 |
| neuro | looks like he's gotten 1 yr temporary asylum in .ru | 12:03 |
| MartijnVdS | let's hope he's not gay.. | 12:04 |
| MartijnVdS | or he'll be arrested again | 12:04 |
| MartijnVdS | (weird russians) | 12:04 |
| neuro | he'd be more likely to have the crap beaten out of him :( | 12:04 |
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| dwatkins | I may be boycotting the winter olympics if Russia don't change that particular law. | 12:09 |
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| MooDoo | if he's walking around .ru he won't last long | 12:31 |
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| MooDoo | it's gone a bit quiet in here | 12:52 |
| mgdm | sssh, you spoiled it | 12:53 |
| MooDoo | zip! | 12:53 |
| mgdm | bz2! | 12:53 |
| MartijnVdS | 7z! | 12:57 |
| MooDoo | .tgz | 12:57 |
| mgdm | Rar. | 12:58 |
| diddledan | eek | 12:58 |
| * diddledan wonders who just tried wikipediing the "eek" compression format | 12:59 | |
| popey | lhz | 12:59 |
| popey | lha even | 12:59 |
| diddledan | arc | 13:00 |
| popey | i used to have a floppy disk full of archiving tools | 13:00 |
| popey | pkzip, pkarc, arj, lharc... | 13:00 |
| diddledan | xz is the most compressive I've found for text | 13:00 |
| popey | happy days | 13:00 |
| MooDoo | popey: loads on the amiga! | 13:00 |
| popey | never had an amiga | 13:00 |
| mgdm | Jabber \o/ | 13:01 |
| MattJ | Jabber \o/ | 13:02 |
| mgdm | Wasn't sure if that still worked \o/ | 13:02 |
| MattJ | It still works \o/ | 13:02 |
| diddledan | Jabber \o/ | 13:03 |
| diddledan | ? | 13:03 |
| MattJ | Jabber \o/ | 13:03 |
| diddledan | am I missing something? | 13:03 |
| MattJ | http://matthewwild.co.uk/uploads/jabber.png | 13:03 |
| MattJ | Since... 2008 | 13:03 |
| MooDoo | going on about jabber sigh...i'd never mention jabber coz jabber isn't funny so please don't mention jabber | 13:04 |
| ali1234 | what on earth is wrong with your computer?!? | 13:04 |
| MooDoo | it tends to jabber | 13:05 |
| MattJ | At least I don't have that compiz window wobble on highlight now | 13:05 |
| MooDoo | lol | 13:05 |
| diddledan | your window used to wobble when someone said jabber? | 13:05 |
| MattJ | Yes | 13:05 |
| diddledan | why would you have a jabber wobble? | 13:05 |
| diddledan | :-p | 13:05 |
| MooDoo | coz it's fun :D | 13:05 |
| MattJ | Thankfully no other channel has discovered my secret in all these year | 13:06 |
| MattJ | s | 13:06 |
| diddledan | lol | 13:06 |
| bigcalm | Good afternoon peeps :) | 13:19 |
| MooDoo | hello big | 13:20 |
| MooDoo | hello bigcalm | 13:20 |
| brobostigon | afternoonings bigcalm | 13:21 |
| bigcalm | Who is celebrating IPA day? :) | 13:22 |
| brobostigon | IPA day? | 13:22 |
| diddledan | international p**is awareness day? | 13:23 |
| bigcalm | Indian Pale Ale | 13:24 |
| mgdm | IPA day, you say | 13:24 |
| * mgdm will acquire some Deuchars tonight | 13:24 | |
| bigcalm | mgdm: mixed reports that it is today or tomorrow | 13:24 |
| mgdm | I'll celebrate twice, to be sure | 13:24 |
| bigcalm | :D | 13:24 |
| bigcalm | I might have to celebrate as well, after badminton | 13:25 |
| bigcalm | That said, I'm happy to celebrate the IPA any day of the year | 13:26 |
| mgdm | hehe | 13:27 |
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| brobostigon | does celebrating IPA day, tonight with a curry sound acceptable ? | 13:30 |
| MartijnVdS | brobostigon: only if you also have an IPA ;) | 13:31 |
| brobostigon | MartijnVdS: yes, that what i meant, :) | 13:31 |
| * dwatkins assumes this is a beer-related abbreviation, not a financial one | 13:31 | |
| MartijnVdS | though curry is supposed to be from the same I as IPA was originally developed for ;) | 13:31 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: it's not international phonetic alphabet day | 13:32 |
| brobostigon | interwesting MartijnVdS | 13:32 |
| dwatkins | Oscar Kilo ;) | 13:32 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: ˌɪntərˈnæʃənəl fəˈnɛtɪk ˈæl.fə.bɛt | 13:33 |
| bigcalm | IPA wasn't developed in India. It started in England as a type of ale that would survive the journey to India | 13:33 |
| bigcalm | I think | 13:33 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: most curries are more British than Indian too :P | 13:34 |
| bigcalm | Hehe, good point | 13:34 |
| bigcalm | Is it beer o'clock yet? | 13:34 |
| brobostigon | yes. | 13:35 |
| brobostigon | :D | 13:35 |
| bigcalm | \o/ | 13:35 |
| MartijnVdS | http://isittimeforbeeryet.com/ | 13:36 |
| brobostigon | lol. | 13:36 |
| bigcalm | Oh, the weekend | 13:37 |
| MartijnVdS | yeah, strange people ;) | 13:37 |
| bigcalm | After the lovely days of cool rain, it's gone back to being hot and muggy | 13:38 |
| bigcalm | Boo weather | 13:38 |
| brobostigon | more rian tmrw and saturday. | 13:38 |
| brobostigon | rain* | 13:38 |
| MartijnVdS | bigcalm: yeah, 33°C here today | 13:39 |
| brobostigon | 28c right now. | 13:40 |
| dwatkins | nice and cool here in Edinburgh, a little rain but hopefully not enough to make the canal path dangerous on the way home. | 13:44 |
| davmor2 | nice and cool in my airconed home office :) | 13:45 |
| mgdm | it was chucking it down earlier, now it's merely drizzling here in Glasgow | 13:45 |
| MartijnVdS | mgdm: best weather you've had all year? | 13:47 |
| mgdm | MartijnVdS: No, we had about a month of mid-to-late twenties and clear skies until today | 13:54 |
| MooDoo | it's boiling here | 13:59 |
| Laney | yeah isn't it just | 14:00 |
| Laney | like 30° | 14:00 |
| MooDoo | .weather nottingham | 14:00 |
| MooDoo | @weather | 14:01 |
| MooDoo | rats you don't have that bot here lol | 14:01 |
| MooDoo | 29.4 in nottingham | 14:01 |
| arc__ | hello i need some help in ubuntu | 14:04 |
| MooDoo | !ask | 14:05 |
| lubotu3 | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 14:05 |
| arc__ | ok here it is i need to make a win xp usb in ubuntu | 14:05 |
| arc__ | my dvd drive is dead | 14:05 |
| MooDoo | not with you....you need to make a win xp boot usb stick? | 14:06 |
| MooDoo | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html | 14:07 |
| MooDoo | this might be better | 14:07 |
| MooDoo | http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/winusb-create-bootable-windows-installer-usb-in-ubuntu-linux/ | 14:07 |
| arc__ | ok i will have a look | 14:08 |
| dwatkins | neat, didn't know you could do that, MooDoo | 14:09 |
| arc__ | how do i get the latest unetbootin | 14:10 |
| arc__ | via terminal | 14:11 |
| neuro | http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/post/56784044470/script-kiddie-tries-to-crack-a-system-while-the | 14:11 |
| arc__ | ok i have upgareded it | 14:17 |
| MooDoo | arc__: antother better one I think - http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/winusb-create-bootable-windows-installer-usb-in-ubuntu-linux/ | 14:18 |
| arc__ | do you guys know of any other useful related tools | 14:18 |
| mgdm | neuro: heh | 14:18 |
| arc__ | it is the same one as before MooDoo | 14:19 |
| MooDoo | oh doh! lol | 14:19 |
| dwatkins | what Ubuntu version are you running, arc__? | 14:19 |
| arc__ | 12.04.1 | 14:20 |
| arc__ | lst | 14:20 |
| arc__ | lts | 14:20 |
| arc__ | i am so gullable | 14:21 |
| arc__ | i am so gullible (spelling) | 14:21 |
| dwatkins | http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/unetbootin - highest version for Precise seems to be 565-3, and it's what installs on my server which runs Precise. | 14:22 |
| dwatkins | Precise=12.04 | 14:22 |
| arc__ | i have tried using it to make a xp usb but it does not work | 14:23 |
| dwatkins | what kind of error do you get, arc__ ? | 14:24 |
| dwatkins | also, which procedure did you follow? The first two links are for Windows 7 (or Vista) | 14:24 |
| neuro | 20ºC here, suckers, hahaha | 14:24 |
| neuro | i may have to put a jumper on soon! | 14:25 |
| arc__ | it has only one boot option and it is Default and that just goes back to the boot loader | 14:25 |
| davmor2 | neuro: I can have it as low as 14 I think, but am curently at a very pleasant 25 :) | 14:25 |
| neuro | aircon? | 14:25 |
| davmor2 | neuro: yeap | 14:26 |
| arc__ | I am now trying WinUSB | 14:26 |
| neuro | *envy* | 14:26 |
| dwatkins | arc__: I don't know it's even possible to boot XP from CD without using 3rd party software. | 14:26 |
| arc__ | i have the .iso | 14:26 |
| davmor2 | neuro: in my home office :) | 14:26 |
| dwatkins | sorry, I mean boot from USB | 14:26 |
| dwatkins | having the ISO might not be enough, sadly | 14:26 |
| arc__ | i have done it in xp before | 14:26 |
| neuro | davmor2: $envy++ | 14:26 |
| arc__ | it makes the install really fast | 14:27 |
| neuro | i hope we're not discussing using pirated software in here ... | 14:27 |
| arc__ | nope my copy of my real xp disk for my own use | 14:27 |
| arc__ | only ! | 14:27 |
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| arc__ | apple lets you copy your os disk once for a backup | 14:28 |
| neuro | you bought a retail copy of XP? | 14:28 |
| davmor2 | neuro: I got it for our old flat the one summer when we were melting it was that hot. So got it pretty cheap, and it works a charm :) | 14:28 |
| arc__ | yes long a ago | 14:28 |
| neuro | davmor2: i may look into that for next summer if it ends up being anything like this one | 14:28 |
| neuro | that's the one thing i miss working from home, not having a nice climate controlled office to work in | 14:28 |
| davmor2 | neuro: no don't look into in the winter when they are silly money :0 | 14:28 |
| davmor2 | :) | 14:29 |
| neuro | well that and the free tea/coffee/fizzy pop | 14:29 |
| neuro | davmor2: yeah that's what i meant ;) | 14:29 |
| arc__ | thought MS should make a open sourced copy of xp the best windows's os ever | 14:29 |
| * neuro giggles | 14:29 | |
| neuro | XP? | 14:29 |
| neuro | Best? | 14:29 |
| popey | i should get my air con thing out | 14:29 |
| arc__ | It is the best after Ubuntu | 14:30 |
| neuro | popey: you just keep your thing to yourse... oh air con thing, OK | 14:30 |
| neuro | XP was a total mess | 14:30 |
| arc__ | no | 14:30 |
| davmor2 | arc__: I think you'll find Ubuntu isn't made by microsoft ;) | 14:30 |
| arc__ | vista was a total mess | 14:30 |
| neuro | awful drivers, terrible default UI | 14:30 |
| arc__ | I know that davmor2 | 14:30 |
| neuro | XP is probably more responsible for the rise of Ubuntu, Fedora, etc than anything else | 14:31 |
| neuro | Windows 2000 and Windows 7 are the only really good OSes Microsoft have released in the last 15 years | 14:32 |
| neuro | and I use the term "good" rather loosely | 14:32 |
| arc__ | Win 2000 don't make me laugh | 14:32 |
| neuro | since OS X and any decent Linux distro will whip Window's hide even on their worst days | 14:32 |
| arc__ | OSX don't make me laugh | 14:32 |
| arc__ | Win 7 is ok | 14:33 |
| neuro | i knew there was a reason i'd stopped talking to this guy | 14:33 |
| neuro | go on, please do share your insights as to why Windows 2000 and OS X won't make you laugh | 14:33 |
| arc__ | this guy has a nick name | 14:33 |
| neuro | i'm genuinely interested | 14:34 |
| neuro | given what I presume are your years of professional experience in the IT field | 14:34 |
| arc__ | OSX had no classic enviroment support to run old programs that i loved to use | 14:35 |
| neuro | yes it did | 14:35 |
| arc__ | Like the Mac G5 | 14:35 |
| dwatkins | It did, arc__ - they stopped supporting the ancient "Classic" envirnment two versions ago, though. | 14:35 |
| neuro | until Apple decided it was not commercially viable to continue supporting classic apps | 14:35 |
| dwatkins | as neuro says | 14:35 |
| arc__ | NO 10.5.8 did not | 14:35 |
| neuro | the same way as Apple dropped support for PPC OS X apps | 14:36 |
| neuro | 10.5 might not have | 14:36 |
| neuro | but that's not what you said | 14:36 |
| dwatkins | 10.5.8 did not what? | 14:36 |
| arc__ | NO the Classic enviro was not supported on the G5 all together | 14:36 |
| dwatkins | and on what architecture? | 14:36 |
| arc__ | PPC | 14:36 |
| arc__ | The G5 Only PPC | 14:36 |
| neuro | i think what you're trying to say is that you couldn't buy a G5 with classic preinstalled | 14:37 |
| arc__ | No i have tried alot i have 2 G5's | 14:37 |
| neuro | anyway, most mac users desperate to run classic apps just install sheepshaver | 14:37 |
| dwatkins | Classic is PPC, if I understand correctly, so the G5 supports PPC natively, I assume. | 14:38 |
| neuro | Apple routinely deprecate support for earlier platforms, they have a policy of looking forward rather than looking back | 14:38 |
| neuro | dwatkins: G5 was the last PowerPC CPU Apple used | 14:38 |
| arc__ | But the best PPC Ever made | 14:39 |
| dwatkins | probably, since it was the last ;) | 14:39 |
| neuro | probably the most powerful and full featured PowerPC based Mac ever released, sure | 14:39 |
| neuro | but the G5 has been outclassed by more recent PPC CPUs | 14:40 |
| neuro | e.g. Cell | 14:40 |
| dwatkins | The SGI Tezro was the most powerful MIPS-based machine they made, but it was also the last. | 14:40 |
| * neuro waves at the PS3 and Xbox 360 | 14:40 | |
| arc__ | Some programs resently supported ppc with universal binary | 14:40 |
| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g | ||
| dwatkins | yes, universal was useful for the transition. | 14:40 |
| ormiret | does IBM still make PPC servers? | 14:40 |
| neuro | they still make PowerPC CPUs, yeah | 14:41 |
| neuro | mostly for SoC stuff | 14:41 |
| neuro | not sure about servers any more | 14:41 |
| arc__ | Yes ps3 and the 360 have ppc cpu's but they where not computers | 14:41 |
| neuro | depends on your definition of "computer" | 14:41 |
| neuro | :) | 14:41 |
| arc__ | how do you define it then | 14:42 |
| waveform | ormiret, yup - the pSeries (servers) and zSeries (mainframes) both use power arch | 14:42 |
| neuro | an electronic device with a central microprocessor, random access memory, storage and input/output ports | 14:42 |
| arc__ | i need to reboot to install the epic MS OS XP PRO SP3 | 14:42 |
| neuro | waveform: still? jeez | 14:42 |
| neuro | there are PowerPCs running the three Mars rovers :) | 14:43 |
| dwatkins | well if it's robust, why not? :) | 14:43 |
| neuro | totally | 14:43 |
| arc__ | Thinking about OSX it is cheaper to install then any MS OS | 14:44 |
| neuro | curiosity is using a hardened 750, I think | 14:44 |
| dwatkins | arc__: are you just trolling, or do you have a point to make, please? | 14:44 |
| waveform | neuro, yeah - they even sell a few now and then :) | 14:44 |
| neuro | aha, was right | 14:44 |
| neuro | BAE make them | 14:44 |
| dwatkins | There are merits and disadvantages to each operating system, and everyone has different opinions. | 14:44 |
| neuro | RAD750 | 14:44 |
| arc__ | Thanz for the info for the WinUSB program | 14:45 |
| arc__ | dwatkins:Yeah you are right | 14:45 |
| neuro | this thing is a beast | 14:45 |
| neuro | "can withstand 100,000 rads" | 14:45 |
| neuro | $200K cost stock for the CPU and mobo | 14:46 |
| neuro | plus or minus variances for customer requirements and quantities ordered | 14:46 |
| neuro | MRO and LRO use them too | 14:46 |
| arc__ | My argument for Mac's got me a A* | 14:46 |
| neuro | argument *for*? | 14:47 |
| arc__ | Why Mac's are bad | 14:47 |
| neuro | that's not "for", that's "against" | 14:47 |
| neuro | and there's no apostrophe in plurals | 14:47 |
| neuro | <- grammar geek | 14:47 |
| davmor2 | Argument overruled F | 14:48 |
| neuro | lol | 14:48 |
| arc__ | my fake statistics 1 in 3 people make the fatal decision of buying a Mac | 14:48 |
| neuro | wut? | 14:49 |
| arc__ | Any they are fired because they can't use Windows programs | 14:49 |
| neuro | what are you talking about? | 14:49 |
| popey | FATAL? | 14:50 |
| mgdm | I don't need or want any Windows programs to do my job \o/ | 14:50 |
| neuro | mgdm: \m/ | 14:50 |
| * neuro glares at vSphere | 14:50 | |
| arc__ | you people are slow | 14:50 |
| neuro | ah, the insults begin | 14:50 |
| mgdm | (This message brought to you by tmux, mosh, irssi, and Mac OS X) | 14:50 |
| neuro | tmux? | 14:51 |
| mgdm | (oh, and Ubuntu) | 14:51 |
| * neuro googles | 14:51 | |
| neuro | nice save | 14:51 |
| arc__ | But the Mac G5 is a good editing rig | 14:51 |
| mgdm | neuro: like screen but moar better | 14:51 |
| neuro | woah | 14:51 |
| arc__ | moar ? | 14:51 |
| neuro | interesting | 14:51 |
| mgdm | neuro: also the integration with iTerm2 is pretty neat | 14:51 |
| neuro | i really really really should use iTerm 2 | 14:51 |
| neuro | but i'm still stuck in stock Terminal.app land | 14:52 |
| mgdm | neuro: so you can have iTerm2 have split windows that are actually tmux panes underneath | 14:52 |
| neuro | i have 3 windows open right now, 5 tabs each | 14:52 |
| MattJ | mgdm, off the top of your head, do you know how to get the Ctrl-a,Ctrl-a behaviour in tmux? | 14:52 |
| neuro | i'm an idiot | 14:52 |
| neuro | hehe :) | 14:52 |
| mgdm | and detach and reattach and all that | 14:52 |
| neuro | MattJ: wouldn't that just be a screen-ism? | 14:52 |
| neuro | for compatibility and all taht? | 14:52 |
| mgdm | MattJ: As in remap Ctrl-b to Ctrl-a? Or have Ctrl-a send an actual Ctrl-a? | 14:52 |
| MattJ | mgdm, nope, in screen it toggles between the current and previous window | 14:53 |
| mgdm | ahhh | 14:53 |
| mgdm | Afraid not | 14:53 |
| MattJ | or is there an equivalent easier shortcut in tmux that I haven't found? | 14:53 |
| MattJ | :( | 14:53 |
| popey | i use byobu | 14:53 |
| popey | which uses tmux now | 14:53 |
| arc__ | WinUSB failed Bootmgr is missing | 14:53 |
| popey | and uses the same keyboard shortcuts as screen | 14:53 |
| MattJ | popey, since when? | 14:53 |
| popey | after 12.04 | 14:54 |
| MattJ | Inclusive? | 14:54 |
| davmor2 | MattJ: set the preferred to tmux | 14:54 |
| popey | thats not what after means ☻ | 14:54 |
| mgdm | MattJ: http://superuser.com/questions/429558/how-to-switch-between-two-latest-windows-in-tmux | 14:54 |
| MattJ | popey, just checking :) | 14:54 |
| MattJ | Now I feel guilty for making someone google for me | 14:54 |
| popey | well, my vps still uses screen and thats 12.04 | 14:54 |
| MattJ | mgdm, excellent, thanks :) | 14:55 |
| davmor2 | popey: you can set the default to be tmux, currently it installs and runs screen you change the backend let me see if I remember how | 14:55 |
| davmor2 | MattJ: ^ too | 14:55 |
| popey | i am fine with screen | 14:55 |
| mgdm | On a related topic, I'm not quite sure if I've got across how cool mosh is | 14:56 |
| MattJ | I work with someone who won't use byobu specifically because it doesn't use tmux, so this is useful | 14:56 |
| popey | heh | 14:56 |
| MattJ | mgdm, I'm concerned about security :/ | 14:56 |
| popey | i like mosh too | 14:56 |
| davmor2 | MattJ, popey: byobu-select-backend select tmux restart the session | 14:56 |
| popey | security of mosh? | 14:56 |
| MattJ | Yes | 14:56 |
| MattJ | davmor2, thanks! | 14:57 |
| popey | its ssh underneath | 14:57 |
| mgdm | well... it is to start with, but the communication after that is something else, isn't it? | 14:57 |
| davmor2 | popey: mosh to me means loud music and banging head so it would be secure whose gonna mess with that ;) | 14:57 |
| mgdm | Anyway - I use it to hop to my VM to use IRC - I've not installed it on anything production yet | 14:58 |
| daftykins | what's different about it over SSH? | 15:02 |
| popey | it's more resilient to crappy connections | 15:05 |
| neuro | mgdm: i need to sort my tabs out: http://bit.ly/1chvf17 :) | 15:05 |
| popey | so ideal for mobile / 3g | 15:05 |
| popey | and crap wifi | 15:05 |
| mgdm | You can use your laptop somewhere on wifi, close it, go home, open it again on different wifi and have your connections resume | 15:06 |
| popey | yeah, thats nice too | 15:06 |
| daftykins | neuro: lmao | 15:06 |
| neuro | i assume you're laughing at my chrome tabs ;) | 15:07 |
| mgdm | neuro: holy moly | 15:08 |
| neuro | aye :) | 15:08 |
| bigcalm | I'm wondering what the background image is | 15:08 |
| dwatkins | neuro: that's quite impressive; I try to keep at least my icons visible - I use CloudTab to save them all ocvcasionally, in case I lose any/all my tabs. | 15:08 |
| neuro | bigcalm: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sorio1q5fx7trlv/%5Benterprise%5D%20Kate%20Beckinsale.jpg | 15:09 |
| neuro | dwatkins: yeah, i like the idea of seeing the icons too | 15:09 |
| dwatkins | thankfully safe for work | 15:09 |
| neuro | doesn't always work like that! | 15:09 |
| bigcalm | Oh | 15:09 |
| bigcalm | Nice eyes | 15:09 |
| dwatkins | neuro: yeah, sometimes they just go crazy, yeah | 15:10 |
| neuro | i may be migrating wallpaper from kate beckinsale to olivia wilde at some point | 15:11 |
| neuro | need to properly plan out the transition | 15:11 |
| daftykins | ol' stick insect | 15:12 |
| daftykins | women as wallpapers - so wrong | 15:12 |
| bigcalm | Variety takes care of background for me. Right now it's http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/1666212 | 15:12 |
| neuro | it's my only vice | 15:12 |
| neuro | well, that and Hell's Kitchen | 15:12 |
| popey | \o/ variety | 15:13 |
| popey | http://www.flickr.com/photos/40645538@N00/3887481731 is my current wallpaper | 15:13 |
| popey | completely random | 15:13 |
| dwatkins | mine is still the TARDIS in a forest: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ac0yHvvu1rrm5udo1_500.jpg | 15:14 |
| * mgdm likes simpledesktops.com | 15:14 | |
| neuro | bigcalm: you have made a new friend today, by linking to wallbase ;) | 15:15 |
| bigcalm | Hehe | 15:15 |
| dwatkins | I'm a little disappointed when I look on wallbase that it doesn't give credit to the original artist. | 15:15 |
| daftykins | hrmm you can't browse by resolution can you | 15:15 |
| daftykins | boooo | 15:15 |
| daftykins | i like grabbing images that work across my twin screens | 15:16 |
| daftykins | hence interfacelift.com was my old fave | 15:16 |
| bigcalm | I would love to use some of my old wallpapers, but I don't have the right monitors any more: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/sets/72057594070877691/ | 15:16 |
| neuro | HOLY MOTHER OF GOD | 15:16 |
| neuro | ok, can't link to THAT | 15:16 |
| neuro | woof | 15:16 |
| neuro | sorry | 15:16 |
| daftykins | down boy! | 15:17 |
| bigcalm | Heh | 15:17 |
| neuro | i clicked on "sketchy" purity | 15:17 |
| daftykins | 3840x1200 is my target here | 15:17 |
| bigcalm | neuro: I'm sure you could paste it to #lugradio :) | 15:17 |
| neuro | maybe i will and maybe i won't | 15:18 |
| daftykins | http://interfacelift.com/wallpaper/D47cd523/03320_craterlake_3840x1200.jpg | 15:18 |
| daftykins | there's a nice one | 15:18 |
| neuro | looks a bit ... oversaturated? | 15:19 |
| daftykins | yeah | 15:19 |
| daftykins | also the main point of the image is a little island inside said lake, which is cropped in that view XD | 15:19 |
| bigcalm | Over exposed is what I'd say | 15:20 |
| bigcalm | Nice otherwise | 15:20 |
| daftykins | my we are a judgmental lot | 15:22 |
| bigcalm | Hehe, sorry | 15:22 |
| bigcalm | I like photography | 15:22 |
| bigcalm | One could tweak the levels | 15:22 |
| mungbean | still no $600 phones? | 15:36 |
| popey | they were on day 1 | 15:37 |
| mungbean | and look how popular they were... | 15:38 |
| diddledan | hmm, still only on 7.76m | 15:53 |
| neuro | the slowdown continueth | 15:55 |
| neuro | they're $3m off the required pace now :( | 15:59 |
| mgdm | it's looking a bit asymptotic, eh :/ | 15:59 |
| neuro | hmm | 15:59 |
| neuro | t-shirts and free lastpass premium subs now | 15:59 |
| neuro | the lastpass sub thing, fair enough | 16:03 |
| neuro | that's a cost that can be potentially borne by lastpass as they may gain customers in may 2015 from people happy to pay to continue their subs | 16:04 |
| neuro | but the t-shirts are stupid | 16:04 |
| neuro | "The Ubuntu Edge is an exclusive production run, available only through Indiegogo. All of the funding we receive goes directly towards producing the device for expected delivery in May 2014." | 16:04 |
| neuro | except for the money we'll need to use to make t-shirts | 16:05 |
| === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away | ||
| neuro | this has a nice graph showing the pledge trough, which the edge is firmly in right now | 16:09 |
| neuro | http://www.kickstarter.com/blog/trends-in-pricing-and-duration | 16:09 |
| === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk | ||
| diddledan | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/07/31/prism_put_in_the_shade_by_leak_about_even_more_powerful_snoop_tool/ | 16:16 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: also, http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/08/gone-in-30-seconds-new-attack-plucks-secrets-from-https-protected-pages/ | 16:18 |
| Songtao | Hi guys, maybe this is not right channel to ask, but everyone know about soap server request/response prefix ? how to change from soap-env to soap ? like the request or response I get always use <soap-env:body> but I want to change it to <soap:body>. there is no soap irc channel. any help? | 16:20 |
| MartijnVdS | Songtao: SOAP is a very well-defined protocol :) | 16:21 |
| MartijnVdS | Songtao: which language are you using? You should probably use a library to decode it | 16:21 |
| Songtao | php | 16:21 |
| MartijnVdS | http://php.net/manual/en/book.soap.php | 16:21 |
| bigcalm | +1 | 16:22 |
| bigcalm | I wouldn't want to deal with soap at a raw level | 16:22 |
| Songtao | MartijinVds, thanks for your reply, I use php-soap write a soap server, but the name prefix always like <soap-env:body>, is there any way I can change it to <soap:body> | 16:22 |
| MartijnVdS | Songtao: yes, that's plain XML -- use a different xmlns | 16:22 |
| MartijnVdS | Songtao: It's probably best to learn more about XML and SOAP basics first, before writing your own SOAP server :) | 16:22 |
| MartijnVdS | Songtao: SOAP server libraries already exist, it's often better to use those. | 16:23 |
| MartijnVdS | (actually, it's almsot always better to use an existing library) | 16:24 |
| Songtao | I am, I am using php-soap. I difined | 16:28 |
| Songtao | xmlns:wsoap='http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/wsdl/soap/' | 16:28 |
| Songtao | xmlns:soap='http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/' | 16:28 |
| Songtao | but I do not know why, the request or the response, auto change it to xmlns:soap-env='http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/' | 16:29 |
| daftykins | Songtao: you just got assistance and yet you're repeating your question? is something wrong? | 16:29 |
| Songtao | I mean I defined in the server.wsdl file | 16:29 |
| MartijnVdS | Songtao: if you're using a proper XML parser and generator, the namespace bit does not matter. | 16:29 |
| MartijnVdS | Songtao: it could be "fnskjfsndkfn" and it would still work just fine | 16:29 |
| Songtao | MartijinVds, thanks for your help. | 16:30 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: bingo! | 16:31 |
| diddledan | fnskjfsndkfn was just what I needed | 16:32 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: a name for your next kid? | 16:32 |
| diddledan | no, my kid is going to follow the xkcd and be called "'; DROP ALL tables FROM students;" | 16:33 |
| daftykins | little billy tables | 16:33 |
| daftykins | ;D | 16:33 |
| diddledan | that's the one :-p | 16:33 |
| daftykins | that one did amuse | 16:33 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: new password then? | 16:33 |
| diddledan | better billy tables than billy no-mates | 16:33 |
| neuro | bobby tables | 16:34 |
| popey | also Null | 16:34 |
| daftykins | close enough | 16:34 |
| popey | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4456438/how-can-i-pass-the-string-null-through-wsdl-soap-from-as3-to-coldfusion-web?rq=1 | 16:34 |
| neuro | :) | 16:34 |
| popey | "We have an employee whose last name is Null" | 16:34 |
| daftykins | hrmm what does it mean when google results are all purple and dull as if you've visited them all before but clearly haven't 0o | 16:35 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: cool :) | 16:35 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: you need to try reddit.com/new instead ;) | 16:35 |
| daftykins | ? | 16:35 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: oh that's where redditors go if all links on the home page are purple :) | 16:36 |
| popey | ☻ | 16:36 |
| daftykins | MartijnVdS: i'll never get that minute of my life back :( | 16:36 |
| diddledan | daftykins: just get on a plane and travel fast enough that when you get back everyone else is 1 minute older than you and bob's your uncle | 16:37 |
| MartijnVdS | bobby tables? | 16:37 |
| diddledan | yeah, him | 16:37 |
| daftykins | you'd have to superman it to be younger than bobby tables | 16:37 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: http://xkcd.com/327/ | 16:40 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: I know, I was referring to "bob's your uncle" | 16:40 |
| neuro | bob's your mother's brother | 16:40 |
| MartijnVdS | or your father's | 16:40 |
| MartijnVdS | you could also expand "bob" to "robert" | 16:41 |
| neuro | mine sounds better, onomatopoeiatically speaking | 16:41 |
| MartijnVdS | robert's your mother's brother | 16:41 |
| diddledan | I'm my brother's father's son | 16:42 |
| neuro | "Her daughter is named Help I'm trapped in a driver's license factory." | 16:42 |
| neuro | hehe | 16:42 |
| diddledan | lol | 16:43 |
| neuro | xkcd alt tags ftw | 16:43 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOD | ||
| DJones | Ok, BT Broadband support have just won the advice of decade award, Dad was on the phone to them trying to get a fault diagnosed, they said have you run the antivirus software recently to rule that out, its not installed, ok install it, I'm on a Ubuntu laptop, Oh.. We know about that, you can install the antivirus software using wine.......... | 17:29 |
| webpigeon | x.x | 17:37 |
| MartijnVdS | ಠ_ಠ | 17:37 |
| diddledan | besides the stupidity of the request, wine is very unlikely able to run an av package designed for windows because it doesn't provide the kernel-level hooks | 17:39 |
| DJones | diddledan: Thats putting it politely :) | 17:53 |
| diddledan | :-) | 17:53 |
| daftykins | DJones: sounds great | 18:06 |
| daftykins | i don't even think it would've been safe to say Linux was in use 'cause they could probably pull one of their classic "sorry that's not supported on this service" lines | 18:06 |
| bubu | hey guys, I have a file like a,b,c,d,e,f etc. How can I create a new line per item and delete commas? | 18:10 |
| bubu | so just a long column | 18:10 |
| DJones | daftykins: They already know it is, last time he had a problem I ended up ringing for him & went through it with BT, in the end I pointed out that I couldn't connect with an android phone and windows phone and ended up getting put through to supervisor, and then to the manager above them | 18:10 |
| bubu | nvm got it :P | 18:11 |
| popey | bubu: cat file | tr , \n | 18:11 |
| bubu | done in ruby! | 18:11 |
| popey | haha | 18:11 |
| bubu | im an ops guy and my ruby is now better than my bash | 18:11 |
| bubu | lol | 18:11 |
| popey | ☻ | 18:11 |
| MartijnVdS | bubu: how's your Perl? | 18:12 |
| bubu | meh, non existant | 18:12 |
| bubu | work in a ruby house though | 18:12 |
| daftykins | DJones: were they even any better? :) | 18:12 |
| MartijnVdS | not a true ops guy :P | 18:12 |
| bubu | hah | 18:12 |
| bubu | I've made my own graphite dashboards! | 18:12 |
| bubu | < ops guy | 18:12 |
| bubu | :] | 18:12 |
| daftykins | drawing in pencil on paper doesn't count! | 18:13 |
| bubu | pfft | 18:13 |
| bubu | :p | 18:13 |
| MartijnVdS | daftykins: hardcore ops 8-) | 18:13 |
| DJones | daftykins: Eventually at the manager, probably spent an hour talking to him, he said he ran freebsd at home | 18:13 |
| MartijnVdS | bubu: I'm a programmer at a perl shop, and our ops people know as much ruby as perl (because puppet) | 18:13 |
| ali1234 | isn't ruby just a dialect of perl anyway? | 18:13 |
| daftykins | DJones: \o/ what was the actual issue? router/line sync troubles? :D | 18:14 |
| DJones | daftykins: Dad got a replacement homehub sent out in about 2 days | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: it's the evil child of python, perl and php | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | i'm pretty sure ruby has nothing at all to do with php | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: its unicode support | 18:14 |
| DJones | daftykins: Faulty router, didn't work out what the fault was, they just replaced it | 18:14 |
| ali1234 | what about it? | 18:14 |
| daftykins | DJones: ah-har | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: it's almost as good as PHP's unicode support | 18:14 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: unless they fixed that since I last looked | 18:15 |
| ali1234 | that's like saying runy's syntax is almost as "good" as perl's | 18:15 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: but it is :) | 18:15 |
| bubu | MartijnVdS: < chef | 18:16 |
| bubu | so it's all ruby | 18:16 |
| bubu | ruby has so many rubyisms though, cant think of anything you can do in perl that cant in ruby | 18:16 |
| bubu | but just a bit prettier ;) | 18:16 |
| ali1234 | in ruby you can't redefine the entire language to be whatever you want | 18:16 |
| bubu | you dont have to. | 18:17 |
| ali1234 | you don't have to in any language | 18:17 |
| ali1234 | perl programmers just enjoy being obscure | 18:17 |
| bubu | hah | 18:17 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: hey at least it's not Perl 6 | 18:17 |
| popey | at our lug someone gave a talk about perl, it was video'ed and put online, and was the most popular video we'd ever made | 18:17 |
| daftykins | due to anything specific? | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: the Perl community has some great speakers :) | 18:18 |
| popey | "Introduction to Perl: The friendly programming language" | 18:18 |
| MartijnVdS | popey: I've been to several YAPC::Europes | 18:18 |
| ali1234 | hahahAHAHAhahHAH | 18:18 |
| popey | you'll find it via google | 18:18 |
| popey | blimey, 2006 | 18:18 |
| popey | time flies | 18:18 |
| daftykins | O_O | 18:19 |
| diddledan | why do perl guys love the Yet Another X Y Z style of naming? | 18:19 |
| bubu | perl is a great language | 18:19 |
| diddledan | YAML, anyone? | 18:19 |
| bubu | just got into development and ruby is all I need | 18:19 |
| bubu | (at the mo anyway) | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | perl is the worst language except for the ones which were specifically designed to be as bad as possible | 18:19 |
| diddledan | YAST (any ex-suse users?) | 18:19 |
| MartijnVdS | *shudde* | 18:19 |
| MartijnVdS | r | 18:19 |
| diddledan | ali1234: whitespace | 18:19 |
| ali1234 | "what is whitespace" - perl programmer | 18:20 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: I don't know.. the community has been getting better at writing readable/maintainable code in the last few years | 18:20 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: it's not Matt's Script Archive anymore | 18:20 |
| diddledan | http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ | 18:20 |
| ali1234 | diddledan: yeah, that's a joke language, like intercal and bf | 18:21 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: https://metacpan.org/module/Acme::Bleach (the "Acme::" namespace is for non-serious/play modules) | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | i don't count those when i say perl is the worst | 18:21 |
| daftykins | popey: he says Perl 6 is going to arrive when Duke Nukem Forever and Windows Vista do! | 18:21 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: have you written shell scripts? | 18:21 |
| ali1234 | yes | 18:21 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: I'd argue sh is worse than perl | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | i would argue it's slightly better | 18:22 |
| ali1234 | because unlike perl, it doesn't have the whole concept of "it's a really good idea to redefine large parts of the language as you see fit in every program" | 18:22 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: Uh.. because that's not how most perl programs I know work? | 18:23 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: I haven't redefined any chunk of the language in a serious project? | 18:23 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: can you give an example? | 18:23 |
| ali1234 | yes | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | if you want to have functions in your program that take more than one argument, you have to redefine the language | 18:24 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: oh? | 18:24 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: sub foo { my ($bar, $baz) = @_; } | 18:24 |
| MartijnVdS | done! | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | that is taking one argument | 18:24 |
| MartijnVdS | no.. you call that as: foo(1, 2); | 18:24 |
| ali1234 | it's still taking one argument | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: I count two? | 18:25 |
| diddledan | I think it's a case that you're both correct | 18:25 |
| diddledan | you call it with two args, but it passes one arg | 18:25 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: well, it passes one list of arguments | 18:25 |
| ali1234 | bingo | 18:25 |
| diddledan | o_O http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aerocool-Strike-X-Frame-E-ATX-0-7mm/dp/B005ZV3MBS/ref=sr_1_35?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1375381509&sr=1-35&keywords=gaming+pc+cases | 18:26 |
| MartijnVdS | but that's just how you call things.. I don't see what's wrong with it | 18:26 |
| diddledan | someone just sent me that link in a different network | 18:26 |
| MartijnVdS | Everyone seems to be fine with it | 18:26 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: whoa | 18:26 |
| ali1234 | i'm not | 18:26 |
| daftykins | diddledan: seems more like a benchmarker's testbed | 18:27 |
| ali1234 | further more while your example looks like a standard function definition to someone unfamiliar with perl, it's not... | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | it's actually part of the code | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | the function can later on do other things with @_ | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | this is awful | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | there's no way to see the call signature of a function | 18:28 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: it's flexible. | 18:28 |
| ali1234 | unless you redefine the language so that there is | 18:29 |
| ali1234 | but then it's not really perl any more | 18:29 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: except it is, because you're using published APIs to do it | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | yeah | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | but the problem is perl is so flexible you can turn it into any other language you want | 18:30 |
| ali1234 | including some really stupid ones, and some one that already exist | 18:30 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: though source filters (the old old way to achieve that) are frowned upon | 18:30 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: new ones hack the op tree | 18:31 |
| diddledan | can I make php in it :-p | 18:31 |
| ali1234 | i don't see why anyone would want this | 18:31 |
| ali1234 | just make one language that is actually good | 18:31 |
| MartijnVdS | https://metacpan.org/module/MooseX::Declare | 18:31 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: \o/ | 18:31 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: it's a consensus thing, about which modules are "good". | 18:32 |
| ali1234 | the answer is "none of them, because they are all written in perl" | 18:32 |
| diddledan | I wonder if native-perl-based execution of php syntax through redefining the language would be faster than php itself? | 18:32 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: now you're just being harsh for no reason :) | 18:32 |
| ali1234 | diddledan: a perl developer claimed that the perl interpreter could run python faster than python, he turned out to be wrong | 18:33 |
| daftykins | he does that | 18:33 |
| diddledan | does perl do JIT these days, or is it still entirely interpreted? | 18:33 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: People still write software in the language, and the community around it is great. | 18:33 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: At least it's not PHP :P | 18:33 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: it does what it's done for ages: a "compile" run at the start, then some statements ("require") that load more code, trigger a compile of that code before execution | 18:34 |
| ali1234 | php is better than perl, because in php there's one bad way to do everything, instead of an unlimted number of bad ways | 18:34 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: There's more than one way to mess up PHP, believe me. | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | but you have to try pretty hard to invent new ones | 18:35 |
| MartijnVdS | also.. it always expecting to be on the web is a bit annoying | 18:35 |
| MartijnVdS | even if you run the command-line version | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | yeah that is weird | 18:35 |
| ali1234 | i'll give you that one | 18:35 |
| diddledan | ali1234: what's your poison of choice? caveat: I work in PHP for my living but I'm always open to new ideas | 18:35 |
| MartijnVdS | "We're general-purpose now. Ish." | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | diddledan: python | 18:36 |
| MartijnVdS | Python++ | 18:36 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: Old PEP-8 or new PEP-8? | 18:36 |
| diddledan | python seems to have a very large momentum | 18:36 |
| MartijnVdS | http://hg.python.org/peps/rev/fb24c80e9afb | 18:36 |
| ali1234 | i dunno, what's the difference? | 18:36 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: ^ | 18:36 |
| diddledan | my impression is I should learn it even if just to say me too | 18:36 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: DO IT DO IT :P | 18:37 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: it's a very clean language | 18:37 |
| MartijnVdS | but the first few projects you publish will be shouted at for not being pythonic enough | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | i have pretty much switched to always indenting with spaces now | 18:37 |
| diddledan | eww | 18:37 |
| diddledan | tabs ftw | 18:37 |
| ali1234 | not just python, everything | 18:38 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: I guess you're one of those people who put the milk in before the tea as well? | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | if you have to put milk in tea, you should put it in first | 18:38 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: how'd you guess?! | 18:38 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: heathen! | 18:38 |
| ali1234 | unless you like tea with little white lumps in it | 18:38 |
| diddledan | ali1234: AMEN! | 18:38 |
| MartijnVdS | but.. you can't see how strong the tea is if you put the milk in first | 18:39 |
| MartijnVdS | Also, Douglas Adams is right: http://h2g2.com/approved_entry/A61345 | 18:39 |
| daftykins | give me a black coffee any day | 18:39 |
| daftykins | my grandparents used to boil water in the morning, make tea then put it in a thermos | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | anyway, i don;t really believe in most of these rules | 18:40 |
| daftykins | and still be drinking the same first boil come the evening | 18:40 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: *shudder* | 18:40 |
| daftykins | tight does not even begin to describe it | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | particularly i don't follow the rules about not lining up similar code lines | 18:40 |
| ali1234 | and i never ever follow the 80 column rule | 18:40 |
| neuro | well ... | 18:42 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: at least stick to 132 then | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | why? | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | stop editing code on a vt100 | 18:43 |
| popey | haha | 18:43 |
| diddledan | lol @ "in England it is generally considered socially incorrect to know stuff or think about things. It's worth bearing this in mind when visiting." | 18:43 |
| popey | as an owner of a vt100... | 18:43 |
| popey | ☻ | 18:43 |
| ali1234 | you finally got one then? | 18:44 |
| daftykins | diddledan: i was just grinning at that bit ^_^ | 18:44 |
| popey | yeah | 18:44 |
| MartijnVdS | let me see how long a line actually is on this 2560x1080 screen | 18:44 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: what font? | 18:44 |
| daftykins | size, dpi... | 18:44 |
| daftykins | ;) | 18:44 |
| diddledan | comic sans at 28pt | 18:45 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: "Monospace 10", 96x96 (xdpyinfo) | 18:45 |
| diddledan | :-p | 18:45 |
| MartijnVdS | diddledan: 70cm real width | 18:45 |
| diddledan | I've never worked out just what a pt actually happens to be | 18:45 |
| MartijnVdS | well maybe 68 because of bezel | 18:45 |
| daftykins | other than meaning 'point' ? | 18:45 |
| ali1234 | i've got 211 columns with my default font here | 18:45 |
| diddledan | daftykins: exactly | 18:46 |
| ali1234 | i've never needed more than that | 18:46 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: how do I check easily? | 18:46 |
| MartijnVdS | -geometry 311x32--4+24 | 18:46 |
| MartijnVdS | xwininfo ftw | 18:46 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: write the numbers 12345678910111213 | 18:46 |
| ali1234 | MartijnVdS: open gedit, type until you reach the right edge, look at the bottom right of the window | 18:46 |
| MartijnVdS | ali1234: it's 311 | 18:46 |
| diddledan | then when you get to the end realise you made the mistake of not realising that 11 is two characters and not one | 18:46 |
| MartijnVdS | 21:9 baby | 18:46 |
| ali1234 | yeah that's an interesting aspect ration | 18:47 |
| ali1234 | 1920x1200 here | 18:47 |
| RaycisCharles | 21:9 is a god-awful aspect ratio. | 18:47 |
| RaycisCharles | It's unusable. | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | RaycisCharles: it's great to put an editor next to a web browser | 18:47 |
| RaycisCharles | Especially as 2560x1080 is a joke. | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | I like it. | 18:47 |
| RaycisCharles | MartijnVdS you can do that with a 16:9 monitor... | 18:47 |
| MartijnVdS | RaycisCharles: but it also fits the unity sidebar on 21:9 | 18:48 |
| RaycisCharles | lol I forgot I was in #ubuntu-uk. | 18:48 |
| MartijnVdS | RaycisCharles: also, I like more horizontal space without the second screen (and the "gap" in between) | 18:48 |
| daftykins | RaycisCharles: where else do things get like this :'( | 18:48 |
| RaycisCharles | Nowhere else on freenode is 21:9 taken seriously. | 18:48 |
| RaycisCharles | Maybe they're big in Holland? | 18:48 |
| MartijnVdS | they're the same size everywhere | 18:48 |
| daftykins | s/size/ratio/ | 18:49 |
| diddledan | lol | 18:49 |
| daftykins | i own 16:10 displays on my desktop | 18:49 |
| diddledan | 16:10 is just plain nuts for video | 18:49 |
| daftykins | my old man calls 'widescreen' - 'shortscreen' | 18:49 |
| MartijnVdS | I had a 16:10 before | 18:49 |
| daftykins | diddledan: you get the best of both worlds, sensible height windows, then video with bars | 18:50 |
| RaycisCharles | Eh, I can live without letterboxing. | 18:50 |
| ali1234 | 16:10 is perfect for watching 16:9 video on a desktop environment where the damn panels just won't go away (unity) | 18:50 |
| RaycisCharles | I have a 27" 2560x1440 monitor. | 18:50 |
| RaycisCharles | 16:9 | 18:50 |
| diddledan | 2.35:1 anamorphic :-p | 18:50 |
| RaycisCharles | 2.35:1 is just a really annoying aspect ratio notation. | 18:51 |
| daftykins | that's not what letterboxing is | 18:51 |
| diddledan | RaycisCharles: it's how they label it on DVD cases | 18:51 |
| RaycisCharles | Yes it is... | 18:51 |
| RaycisCharles | Don't tell me Mark Shuttleworth has redefined letterboxing? | 18:51 |
| daftykins | i wouldn't go by his doctrine | 18:51 |
| RaycisCharles | http://e2e.ti.com/resized-image.ashx/__size/550x0/__key/CommunityServer-Discussions-Components-Files/100/8737.LetterBoxing_5F00_UseCases.png | 18:51 |
| daftykins | but no, just having bars when playing 16:9 on 16:10 != letterboxing | 18:51 |
| daftykins | but anywho, this topic is getting way out of hand | 18:52 |
| MartijnVdS | it is | 18:52 |
| RaycisCharles | What? | 18:52 |
| MartijnVdS | letterboxing = adding black bars | 18:52 |
| RaycisCharles | No it's not, I'm going to destroy your argument. | 18:52 |
| RaycisCharles | Films can be letterboxed twice. | 18:52 |
| daftykins | i must escape to pastures saner | 18:52 |
| RaycisCharles | Badly mastered films have a native letterbox and then are letterboxed within the media player. | 18:52 |
| RaycisCharles | Yeah way to hit and run - I was about to destroy you. | 18:52 |
| ali1234 | like on youtube videos that were widescreen before youtube did widescreen | 18:53 |
| daftykins | that's a really terrible attitude you have toward conversation there | 18:53 |
| neuro | woah woah woah | 18:53 |
| * RaycisCharles throws daftykins across the room | 18:53 | |
| neuro | i step away to finish a DS9 episode and come back to carnage | 18:53 |
| * RaycisCharles is pumped up | 18:53 | |
| RaycisCharles | neuro, which episode? | 18:53 |
| neuro | uhhh the paper moon one | 18:54 |
| MartijnVdS | !coc | RaycisCharles | 18:54 |
| lubotu3 | RaycisCharles: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is a community etiquette document to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere | http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct | For information on how to electronically sign the CoC, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SigningCodeofConduct | Watch http://static.screencasts.ubuntu.com/videos/2010/12/22/004-SigningCoC.ogv | 18:54 |
| RaycisCharles | That's a terrible episode. | 18:54 |
| neuro | where nog gets over the loss of his leg | 18:54 |
| neuro | i quite enjoyed it | 18:54 |
| RaycisCharles | MartijnVdS, that's considered spam. | 18:54 |
| neuro | no, it's not | 18:54 |
| RaycisCharles | Oh, that one. | 18:54 |
| RaycisCharles | I thought it was the one where they're in the casino and waste time doing nothing. | 18:54 |
| MartijnVdS | RaycisCharles: no, it's considered a polite request | 18:54 |
| neuro | RaycisCharles: watch this to figure out why 21:9 is cool: https://vimeo.com/68830569 | 18:55 |
| RaycisCharles | I find it hard to believe that Starfleet couldn't grow legs in the 24th century. | 18:55 |
| MartijnVdS | RaycisCharles: please stop bashing other people. If you disagree, you can point that out politely, and with arguments instead of shouting the loudest (which doesn't mean you're right, btw) | 18:55 |
| neuro | it's explained why in the episode where he actually loses his leg | 18:55 |
| RaycisCharles | I think they just wanted to give somebody a disability. | 18:55 |
| RaycisCharles | I know why he lost it. | 18:55 |
| neuro | but it's explained in dialogue why they can't just grow a new one | 18:55 |
| RaycisCharles | I'm saying that in the 24th century there'd be no such thing as disability. | 18:56 |
| RaycisCharles | Oh? I don't remember that. | 18:56 |
| neuro | well then | 18:56 |
| neuro | RAAR RAAR RAAR ... oh. | 18:56 |
| neuro | :) | 18:56 |
| RaycisCharles | Maybe losing his leg was just an allegory on the futility of war. | 18:56 |
| neuro | or an excuse to show how the war affects those on the ground | 18:56 |
| ali1234 | they do grow him a new one or whatever. it's explained in the episode that the problem is entirely psychological | 18:56 |
| RaycisCharles | Oh yeah. | 18:57 |
| neuro | which is why he got an episode devoted to the topic | 18:57 |
| RaycisCharles | That's powerful stuff. | 18:57 |
| ali1234 | it's not a great episode | 18:57 |
| RaycisCharles | DS9 had the best character arcs by a mile. | 18:57 |
| neuro | Ronald D. Moore, at your service | 18:57 |
| RaycisCharles | Well...none of the other Star Treks had any character arcs to speak of. | 18:57 |
| ali1234 | true | 18:57 |
| neuro | not entirely true | 18:58 |
| ali1234 | it only happened in DS9 because they were blatantly copying B5 | 18:58 |
| RaycisCharles | Worf becomes lighter and ends up not looking like Predator crossed with a raccoon. | 18:58 |
| RaycisCharles | That's like the only significant change in TNG. I don't count Wesley Crusher's migration from rainbow pride uniform to red. | 18:58 |
| neuro | worf + kid | 18:58 |
| neuro | troi + commander | 18:59 |
| neuro | occasional dalliances of picard + beverley | 18:59 |
| RaycisCharles | Oh come on, those weren't character arcs. | 18:59 |
| ali1234 | lolno | 18:59 |
| ali1234 | none of that stuff ever went anywhere | 18:59 |
| neuro | worf + kid certainly was | 18:59 |
| RaycisCharles | No it wasn't. | 18:59 |
| RaycisCharles | That wasn't an arc...that was a "son hates dad" episode. | 18:59 |
| neuro | You're rather difficult to talk to, aren't you? | 18:59 |
| RaycisCharles | Well then, let's talk about something other than Star Trek. | 19:00 |
| neuro | to be fair, it was you who carried on the star trek talk after i simply mentioned where i'd been | 19:00 |
| RaycisCharles | I imagine there's quite an overlap between fans of Star Trek and fans of Debian downstreams. | 19:00 |
| neuro | geeks like star trek? THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE! | 19:00 |
| ali1234 | ya know... voyager had more character development than TNG... | 19:01 |
| * neuro points to his federation starship naming convention ... | 19:01 | |
| neuro | ali1234: what, seven's costume changes? :) | 19:01 |
| ali1234 | no, not really | 19:01 |
| neuro | TWAS A JOKE, SIR! | 19:01 |
| neuro | tho the doctor had a pretty varying arc over the years | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | the doctor mainly | 19:02 |
| neuro | the thing that always struck me as completely unreasonable was paris being field promoted to lieutenant, then being busted down to ensign, then repromoted | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | pretty much entirely really | 19:02 |
| neuro | while poor harry was stuck being an ensign for the whole trip | 19:02 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: instead of Kim? | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | lol | 19:02 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: exactly | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | yeah well that's because janeway is crazy | 19:02 |
| * mgdm attempts to get his YouView box to see more than one mux | 19:03 | |
| neuro | ugh | 19:03 |
| neuro | really? | 19:03 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: great film, that vimeo one :) | 19:03 |
| neuro | MartijnVdS: innit? | 19:03 |
| neuro | i love movie geek stuff like that | 19:03 |
| mgdm | neuro: really? | 19:03 |
| neuro | mgdm: unlucky | 19:03 |
| neuro | what tx, black hill? | 19:03 |
| mgdm | uhm | 19:03 |
| mgdm | I think so | 19:03 |
| mgdm | 120 channels now, there we go | 19:03 |
| neuro | i get epic quality from black hill | 19:04 |
| neuro | even though my aerial is in the loft | 19:04 |
| mgdm | I think one of my HDMI cables is shielded about as well as the netting you get onions in | 19:04 |
| mgdm | because I swapped it and now it's fine | 19:04 |
| neuro | i always say uber expensive hdmi cables are a waste of time | 19:04 |
| ali1234 | there are different types of hdmi cable | 19:04 |
| neuro | but Cheap McCheap cables are a waste of time | 19:04 |
| neuro | don't spend 500 quid but at the same time don't spend 2 quid | 19:05 |
| ali1234 | the price doesn't seem to make a difference to whether they will work or not | 19:05 |
| mgdm | this wasn't Champion the Wonder Cable cheap, but it wasn't more expensive than about a tenner | 19:05 |
| ali1234 | it's something to do with wether the cable has the right bits | 19:05 |
| neuro | CHAAAAAAAAAMPIOOOOOONNNN ... THE WOOOOOOOOOONDERRRRR CAAAAAAABLE! | 19:05 |
| neuro | i totally have that music in my head now | 19:05 |
| mgdm | :D | 19:05 |
| neuro | mgdm: and for that, i must kill you where you stand | 19:06 |
| * neuro worfs up | 19:06 | |
| * mgdm gets down | 19:06 | |
| MartijnVdS | jump up jump up & get down | 19:06 |
| neuro | lying on the floor will do you no good against my bat'leth! | 19:06 |
| mgdm | Anyone stepping to me you'll get burned | 19:07 |
| mgdm | 'cos I got lyrics and you ain't got none | 19:07 |
| mgdm | so if you come to battle bring a shotgun | 19:07 |
| mgdm | Shotgun > bat'leth | 19:07 |
| neuro | SoHvaD pagh vljatlh, Human! | 19:07 |
| neuro | i don't know what i'm doing | 19:08 |
| * mgdm watches neuro chop his own arm off | 19:08 | |
| * neuro stops before pasting more quotes from Memory Alpha | 19:08 | |
| neuro | yeah, that would be a strong possibility | 19:09 |
| neuro | although i could just grow one back, AM I RIGHT?! | 19:09 |
| mgdm | You're probably not right, no | 19:11 |
| neuro | :) | 19:11 |
| diddledan | good movie aspect ratio discussion that | 19:17 |
| neuro | lol, was it? :) | 19:17 |
| neuro | all i saw was rage :) | 19:17 |
| diddledan | no, I mean the video | 19:17 |
| neuro | oh right :) | 19:17 |
| neuro | yeah, that's why i linked to it! | 19:17 |
| diddledan | in here was nothing but "GRRR BRAINS" | 19:18 |
| neuro | GRRARRRR | 19:18 |
| diddledan | avatar (movie by james cameron) is going to have 3, count em, THREE sequels that have been planned for 2016, 17 and 18 | 19:22 |
| neuro | noooooooooo | 19:22 |
| diddledan | that's a long time to wait | 19:22 |
| neuro | NOT LONG ENOUGH! | 19:23 |
| diddledan | didn't like dances with wolves.. in space? | 19:23 |
| neuro | some movies just don't need sequels | 19:23 |
| neuro | like, can you imagine if they tried to make a sequel to Blade Runne... oh | 19:23 |
| diddledan | all three movies are going to be filmed en-masses | 19:24 |
| diddledan | masse* | 19:24 |
| neuro | back-to-back is i believe the term you're looking for | 19:24 |
| diddledan | simultaneously is the term in the article I'm reading | 19:25 |
| MartijnVdS | neuro: Yeah, it's a good thing they never made a sequel to The Matrix | 19:25 |
| diddledan | as opposed to 1..2..3.. it's 1..2..3..1..2..3..2..1.. | 19:25 |
| neuro | simultaneously? wtf | 19:25 |
| neuro | cameron is off his had | 19:25 |
| neuro | s/had/head/ | 19:25 |
| diddledan | yeah | 19:25 |
| diddledan | MartijnVdS: they're bound to revisit the matrix again at some point | 19:26 |
| dogmatic69 | I just installed qt4 on 12.04 and it does not launch, any ideas? | 19:40 |
| dogmatic69 | strace shows "recvfrom(11, 0x16bd624, 4096, 0, 0, 0) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)" | 19:41 |
| dogmatic69 | loads of them, every couple seconds. and I even left it running for 1 hour + with no change | 19:41 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: what's fd 11? check /proc/<pid>/fd/11 (ls -l) | 19:44 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: and/or lsof -p pid | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | the last one's easier | 19:45 |
| dogmatic69 | where do i get pid? | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: ps probably | 19:45 |
| dogmatic69 | ps qtcreator? | 19:45 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: no, ps ax -> look throuhg the list | 19:46 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: or pgrep qtcreator | 19:46 |
| dogmatic69 | two have <defunct> | 19:46 |
| MartijnVdS | those died and their parent never processed that | 19:46 |
| MartijnVdS | "ps fax" will show which is their parent | 19:47 |
| dogmatic69 | http://bin.cakephp.org/view/400949056 | 19:47 |
| MartijnVdS | qtcreator 11060 dogmatic69 11u unix 0x0000000000000000 0t0 989281 socket | 19:48 |
| MartijnVdS | It's a UNIX domain socket | 19:48 |
| MartijnVdS | but to what.. no idea | 19:48 |
| dogmatic69 | :( | 19:48 |
| dogmatic69 | what is UNIX domain socket? | 19:48 |
| MartijnVdS | dogmatic69: man 7 unix | 19:48 |
| dogmatic69 | ah | 19:49 |
| dogmatic69 | does that explain the <defunct> | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | no | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | it might explain why it's not receiving anything on that socket though | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | if it's expecting one of the children to write something to it | 19:49 |
| MartijnVdS | it'll never get anything | 19:50 |
| mgdm | neuro: I've built stuff for YouView but not actually used one in my own living room yet - it's pretty smooth, actually | 20:07 |
| HoT|2fC^ | Some hosting companys are rude! I just got 3 Gameservers terminated I asked why they said were no longer hosting games any more LOL so I said ok so I just paid you £30 for another month of 3 doom3 gameservers. | 20:38 |
| HoT|2fC^ | I then got a reply of sorry no refunds :/ | 20:38 |
| HoT|2fC^ | thats odd \o/ | 20:39 |
| mgdm | that's probably illegal | 20:47 |
| daftykins | not if it's in agreed to terms | 20:48 |
| daftykins | also, surprising doom3 is still being run :) | 20:48 |
| zleap | doom 3 is good | 20:49 |
| zleap | scary though esp in a dark room with good speakers | 20:49 |
| daftykins | :) | 20:51 |
| daftykins | i remember that from release, yep | 20:51 |
| diddledan | right, saucy.. is mir default yet? | 21:02 |
| popey | no | 21:02 |
| dogmatic69 | anyone got a beagle board black? | 21:21 |
| diddledan | ok, I'm being bitten by bug #1195509 :-( | 21:42 |
| lubotu3 | bug 1195509 in Mir "System compositor fails to start - Failed to set the current VT mode: Input/output error (5)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1195509 | 21:42 |
| diddledan | it dropped back to pure X11 | 21:42 |
| diddledan | still usable as a system, but I wanted to try mir :-p | 21:42 |
| diddledan | http://ubuntu-edge.info/#total 3meelion short of target | 21:44 |
| songtao | hello | 23:01 |
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