MooDoomorning all06:19
MooDoo#offtopic can you answer this poll for me please? - http://www.paulmellors.net/linux-based-computers/07:42
MartijnVdSMooDoo: hmm sweets!07:48
MooDooMartijnVdS: lol it's an idea I got from lensfettish lol07:48
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mungbeanpicked up the play house for my kid and 2 pieces wouldn't fit in the estate car. smuggled them into the back garden thinking it will be OK for a few days until we get the other bits. first thing my boy says this morning "whats that yellow red and green thing in the garden?"08:16
mungbean"ummm its a thing ..."08:17
MartijnVdSmungbean: how old is he?08:17
mungbeanhe didn't know what it was so desribed it perfectly08:19
dwatkinsmungbean: you buried it?08:20
MartijnVdS.. or him?08:22
mungbeanwe hid it in the garden but he noticed08:22
MartijnVdStime for a bigger garden ;)08:22
mungbeani'm clearly not as observant as i wouldn't have been looking out of the window like that08:23
MartijnVdSmorning popey, SuperMatt08:25
popeyMooDoo: i have to say when i saw your blog post I was confused. "These are the words that strike fear into most computer users" - looked up and saw "Linux based computers" ☻08:27
MooDoopopey: sorry it was more for my windows based friends that are always coming to me with virus issues I wasn't going to post it in here with you lot :)08:32
JamesTaitGood morning all, happy Yorkshire Day! :-D08:32
MooDooI'll update the post title.08:32
MartijnVdSJamesTait: wait.. really?08:33
JamesTaithttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_Day is one source.08:33
mungbeanthat moment your machine freezes while momentarily checking facebook on one screen and irc on the other, and you hear your boss coming ...08:34
mungbeanctrl-alt-f1 .....cmon work!08:34
JamesTaitmungbean, squeaky bum time!08:34
MartijnVdSmungbean: boss key :)08:34
mungbeanmachine froze08:34
dwatkinsalt-SysRq-R ;) (don't do this, obviously)08:34
mungbeanturn off left monitor08:34
mungbeanstupid 4gb of RAM08:35
dwatkinsI have 16 GB in my laptop, it's usually enough.08:36
MartijnVdSJamesTait: so.. yorkshire pudding, wensleydale cheese?08:37
JamesTaitMartijnVdS, yum!08:38
JamesTaitI mean, yes!08:38
MooDooI tried a stilton/brie cheese the other day omnomnomnom08:39
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ali1234what's the deal with stilton? i think the only people who eat it are incapable of actually tasting it08:41
popeyI quite like stilton08:42
JamesTaitme too.08:42
popeymind you there's few cheeses I don't like08:42
ali1234do you also enjoy eating mouldy bread?08:42
ali1234because that's what stilton tastes like08:42
popeyi dont recall tasting mouldy bread08:42
dwatkinsI like blue cheese.08:42
popeyI almost certainly have though08:42
MooDooali1234: do you drink lager?08:43
popeyOoh, its nice and sunny out here, could do with a lager now08:43
ali1234not really no08:43
popeytoo early I guess08:43
MooDooali1234: it's ok I was only teasing, was going to say if you don't like stilton and drink lager it would explain it as you can't deal with taste ;)08:44
ali1234i don't like any beer really08:44
ali1234i'd rather drink wine08:44
MooDoowe need an ubuntu uk home bew club08:44
MooDooali1234: yeah I love a good red :D08:45
MartijnVdSMooDoo: I've already sent a sample to AlanBell and TheOpenSourcerer ;)08:45
MooDooMartijnVdS: nice, mine are in my mashing bins :D08:45
mungbeanscenario: nfs server has high iowait, could be one of many clients/nodes using the data poorly and contention for same spindle - how to identify?08:45
MartijnVdSMooDoo: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/en/our-beer/ (web shop only works in Dutch for now)08:45
MartijnVdSmungbean: iotop08:45
MooDooMartijnVdS: these the ones Alan reviewed on his blog?08:46
mungbeanjust says nfsd08:46
MartijnVdSMooDoo: yes08:46
ali1234but really though, do people think stilton tastes like normal cheese but a bit stronger?08:46
mungbeanalso, iptraf shows highest traffic, but might not be traffic, might be contention for same spindle08:47
JamesTaitali1234, define "normal cheese".08:47
ali1234JamesTait: wensleydale, cheshire etc08:47
MartijnVdSJamesTait: Gouda ;)08:47
ali1234they all look pretty similar (well, if you get white stilton anyway)08:48
JamesTaitI'm sure there are people who look upon those cheeses as bland, tasteless, whatever.08:48
mungbeani.e. which user is using a particular nfs process?08:48
ali1234cheshire is probably the strongest of them, but they all taste pretty much the same, ie like cheese08:49
JamesTaitI like stilton because it tastes like stilton. :)08:49
popeyi prefer soft cheeses08:50
JamesTaitI still have half a mini camembert in the fridge.08:50
ali1234i like camembert08:50
JamesTaitI occasionally treat myself to a bacon, brie and avocado sandwich on wholemeal seeded bread.08:51
JamesTaitThen wait a few months for my arteries to unclog. ;)08:52
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JamesTaitMooDoo, have you published the URL for that poll anywhere else?08:55
MooDooJamesTait: facebook g+ should I remove it?08:55
JamesTaitI don't think so. :)08:55
JamesTaitI was just going to share it on Facebook, but if you've already done that I'll share your post instead. ;)08:56
MooDoothanks :D08:57
brobostigongood morning everyone,08:58
MartijnVdS\o brobostigon08:58
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: have you taken MooDoo's poll yet? ;)08:58
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brobostigonMartijnVdS: first i have heard of it.08:59
MooDoobrobostigon: I only put it on my blog this morning :D lol08:59
brobostigonMooDoo: ah, :)08:59
MooDoobrobostigon: just look at the latest blog post on paulmellors.net titled windows based computers09:02
brobostigonMooDoo: will do, :). i will add it to my rss also, :)09:02
MooDoobrobostigon: oh it's not that exciting lol09:03
brobostigonMooDoo: it is, it means i wont miss anything you write, now, :)09:03
MooDooI'm just working on something and need to gauge peoples interested, people like you who already run linux on a pc won't find it of interest09:04
brobostigoni see.09:04
MooDoobrobostigon: no offense meant in that :) lol09:05
brobostigonMooDoo: i will forward it to people i know, who do use windows. :)09:05
MooDoobrobostigon: thank you09:05
brobostigonMooDoo: youre welcome,09:06
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MartijnVdSMooDoo: there are rounding errors09:08
brobostigonMooDoo: question, you have no direct rss link on your page, it is wordpress, but whats the rss url?09:08
MartijnVdSMooDoo: 7%, 1 Votes vs 6%, 1 Votes09:08
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: just put the page in your RSS reader, it should figure it out by itself (using the <link rel="alternate"> tag)09:09
brobostigonMartijnVdS: i see, ok, let me try that.09:09
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: alternatively, look at that tag yourself and add the URL in it to your rss reader :)09:10
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MooDoosory for causing so much hassle lol09:13
brobostigonno worries.09:14
MooDooI have these ideas that cause hassles lol09:15
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davmor2Morning all09:55
MooDoomorning davmor209:55
mungbeanbeen trying out this gmic suite of plugins for gimp, seems to improve gimp hugely for photo manipulation10:28
MooDoomungbean: got a url??10:28
mungbeancan't believe i never heard of it before10:30
mungbeani had the latest in the repos but thats cos i had otto's gimp.2.8 repo10:31
mgdmmungbean: oh aye, it's pretty nice10:32
mgdmthe sharpening stuff actually works10:32
MooDooglad i'm cancelling my adobe CC subscription at the end of the month :)10:33
neurofunnily enough ... if [ $(bzgrep -c "GET /af/ $AFLOG") -gt 0 ] ... doesn't actually grep the file in the variable $AFLOG ... been looking at that for 20 minutes before i saw it :P10:34
* neuro starts to make gurgling noises10:34
* MooDoo pats neuro on the back10:39
neurobloody web statistics10:39
MooDooawstats ftw ;)10:40
neuroi need to massage the logs first10:40
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neuroedward snowden has left the transit area of sheremetyevo12:03
neurolooks like he's gotten 1 yr temporary asylum in .ru12:03
MartijnVdSlet's hope he's not gay..12:04
MartijnVdSor he'll be arrested again12:04
MartijnVdS(weird russians)12:04
neurohe'd be more likely to have the crap beaten out of him :(12:04
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dwatkinsI may be boycotting the winter olympics if Russia don't change that particular law.12:09
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MooDooif he's walking around .ru he won't last long12:31
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MooDooit's gone a bit quiet in here12:52
mgdmsssh, you spoiled it12:53
* diddledan wonders who just tried wikipediing the "eek" compression format12:59
popeylha even12:59
popeyi used to have a floppy disk full of archiving tools13:00
popeypkzip, pkarc, arj, lharc...13:00
diddledanxz is the most compressive I've found for text13:00
popeyhappy days13:00
MooDoopopey: loads on the amiga!13:00
popeynever had an amiga13:00
mgdmJabber \o/13:01
MattJJabber \o/13:02
mgdmWasn't sure if that still worked \o/13:02
MattJIt still works \o/13:02
diddledanJabber \o/13:03
MattJJabber \o/13:03
diddledanam I missing something?13:03
MattJSince... 200813:03
MooDoogoing on about jabber sigh...i'd never mention jabber coz jabber isn't funny so please don't mention jabber13:04
ali1234what on earth is wrong with your computer?!?13:04
MooDooit tends to jabber13:05
MattJAt least I don't have that compiz window wobble on highlight now13:05
diddledanyour window used to wobble when someone said jabber?13:05
diddledanwhy would you have a jabber wobble?13:05
MooDoocoz it's fun :D13:05
MattJThankfully no other channel has discovered my secret in all these year13:06
bigcalmGood afternoon peeps :)13:19
MooDoohello big13:20
MooDoohello bigcalm13:20
brobostigonafternoonings bigcalm13:21
bigcalmWho is celebrating IPA day? :)13:22
brobostigonIPA day?13:22
diddledaninternational p**is awareness day?13:23
bigcalmIndian Pale Ale13:24
mgdmIPA day, you say13:24
* mgdm will acquire some Deuchars tonight13:24
bigcalmmgdm: mixed reports that it is today or tomorrow13:24
mgdmI'll celebrate twice, to be sure13:24
bigcalmI might have to celebrate as well, after badminton13:25
bigcalmThat said, I'm happy to celebrate the IPA any day of the year13:26
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brobostigondoes celebrating IPA day, tonight with a curry sound acceptable ?13:30
MartijnVdSbrobostigon: only if you also have an IPA ;)13:31
brobostigonMartijnVdS: yes, that what i meant, :)13:31
* dwatkins assumes this is a beer-related abbreviation, not a financial one13:31
MartijnVdSthough curry is supposed to be from the same I as IPA was originally developed for ;)13:31
MartijnVdSdwatkins: it's not international phonetic alphabet day13:32
brobostigoninterwesting MartijnVdS13:32
dwatkinsOscar Kilo ;)13:32
MartijnVdSdwatkins: ˌɪntərˈnæʃənəl fəˈnɛtɪk ˈæl.fə.bɛt13:33
bigcalmIPA wasn't developed in India. It started in England as a type of ale that would survive the journey to India13:33
bigcalmI think13:33
MartijnVdSbigcalm: most curries are more British than Indian too :P13:34
bigcalmHehe, good point13:34
bigcalmIs it beer o'clock yet?13:34
bigcalmOh, the weekend13:37
MartijnVdSyeah, strange people ;)13:37
bigcalmAfter the lovely days of cool rain, it's gone back to being hot and muggy13:38
bigcalmBoo weather13:38
brobostigonmore rian tmrw and saturday.13:38
MartijnVdSbigcalm: yeah, 33°C here today13:39
brobostigon28c right now.13:40
dwatkinsnice and cool here in Edinburgh, a little rain but hopefully not enough to make the canal path dangerous on the way home.13:44
davmor2nice and cool in my airconed home office :)13:45
mgdmit was chucking it down earlier, now it's merely drizzling here in Glasgow13:45
MartijnVdSmgdm: best weather you've had all year?13:47
mgdmMartijnVdS: No, we had about a month of mid-to-late twenties and clear skies until today13:54
MooDooit's boiling here13:59
Laneyyeah isn't it just14:00
Laneylike 30°14:00
MooDoo.weather nottingham14:00
MooDoorats you don't have that bot here lol14:01
MooDoo29.4 in nottingham14:01
arc__hello i need some help in ubuntu14:04
lubotu3Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience14:05
arc__ok here it is i need to make a win xp usb in ubuntu14:05
arc__my dvd drive is dead14:05
MooDoonot with you....you need to make a win xp boot usb stick?14:06
MooDoothis might be better14:07
arc__ok i will have a look14:08
dwatkinsneat, didn't know you could do that, MooDoo14:09
arc__how do i get the latest unetbootin14:10
arc__via terminal14:11
arc__ok i have upgareded it14:17
MooDooarc__: antother better one I think - http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/winusb-create-bootable-windows-installer-usb-in-ubuntu-linux/14:18
arc__do you guys know of any other useful related tools14:18
mgdmneuro: heh14:18
arc__it is the same one as before MooDoo14:19
MooDoooh doh! lol14:19
dwatkinswhat Ubuntu version are you running, arc__?14:19
arc__i am so gullable14:21
arc__i am so gullible (spelling)14:21
dwatkinshttp://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/unetbootin - highest version for Precise seems to be 565-3, and it's what installs on my server which runs Precise.14:22
arc__i have tried using it to make a xp usb but it does not work14:23
dwatkinswhat kind of error do you get, arc__ ?14:24
dwatkinsalso, which procedure did you follow? The first two links are for Windows 7 (or Vista)14:24
neuro20ºC here, suckers, hahaha14:24
neuroi may have to put a jumper on soon!14:25
arc__it has only one boot option and it  is Default and that just goes back to the boot loader14:25
davmor2neuro: I can have it as low as 14 I think,  but am curently at a very pleasant 25 :)14:25
davmor2neuro: yeap14:26
arc__I am now trying  WinUSB14:26
dwatkinsarc__: I don't know it's even possible to boot XP from CD without using 3rd party software.14:26
arc__i have the .iso14:26
davmor2neuro: in my home office :)14:26
dwatkinssorry, I mean boot from USB14:26
dwatkinshaving the ISO might not be enough, sadly14:26
arc__i have done it in xp before14:26
neurodavmor2: $envy++14:26
arc__it makes the install really fast14:27
neuroi hope we're not discussing using pirated software in here ...14:27
arc__nope my copy of my real xp disk for my own use14:27
arc__only !14:27
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arc__apple lets you copy your os disk once for a backup14:28
neuroyou bought a retail copy of XP?14:28
davmor2neuro: I got it for our old flat the one summer when we were melting it was that hot.  So got it pretty cheap, and it works a charm :)14:28
arc__yes long a ago14:28
neurodavmor2: i may look into that for next summer if it ends up being anything like this one14:28
neurothat's the one thing i miss working from home, not having a nice climate controlled office to work in14:28
davmor2neuro: no don't look into in the winter when they are silly money :014:28
neurowell that and the free tea/coffee/fizzy pop14:29
neurodavmor2: yeah that's what i meant ;)14:29
arc__thought MS should make a open sourced copy of xp the best windows's os ever14:29
* neuro giggles14:29
popeyi should get my air con thing out14:29
arc__It is the best after Ubuntu14:30
neuropopey: you just keep your thing to yourse... oh air con thing, OK14:30
neuroXP was a total mess14:30
davmor2arc__: I think you'll find Ubuntu isn't made by microsoft ;)14:30
arc__vista was a total mess14:30
neuroawful drivers, terrible default UI14:30
arc__I know that davmor214:30
neuroXP is probably more responsible for the rise of Ubuntu, Fedora, etc than anything else14:31
neuroWindows 2000 and Windows 7 are the only really good OSes Microsoft have released in the last 15 years14:32
neuroand I use the term "good" rather loosely14:32
arc__Win 2000 don't make me laugh14:32
neurosince OS X and any decent Linux distro will whip Window's hide even on their worst days14:32
arc__OSX don't make me laugh14:32
arc__Win 7 is ok14:33
neuroi knew there was a reason i'd stopped talking to this guy14:33
neurogo on, please do share your insights as to why Windows 2000 and OS X won't make you laugh14:33
arc__this guy has a nick name14:33
neuroi'm genuinely interested14:34
neurogiven what I presume are your years of professional experience in the IT field14:34
arc__OSX had no classic enviroment support to run old programs that i loved to use14:35
neuroyes it did14:35
arc__Like the Mac G514:35
dwatkinsIt did, arc__ - they stopped supporting the ancient "Classic" envirnment two versions ago, though.14:35
neurountil Apple decided it was not commercially viable to continue supporting classic apps14:35
dwatkinsas neuro says14:35
arc__NO 10.5.8 did not14:35
neurothe same way as Apple dropped support for PPC OS X apps14:36
neuro10.5 might not have14:36
neurobut that's not what you said14:36
dwatkins10.5.8 did not what?14:36
arc__NO the Classic enviro was not supported on the G5 all together14:36
dwatkinsand on what architecture?14:36
arc__The G5 Only PPC14:36
neuroi think what you're trying to say is that you couldn't buy a G5 with classic preinstalled14:37
arc__ No i have tried alot i have 2 G5's14:37
neuroanyway, most mac users desperate to run classic apps just install sheepshaver14:37
dwatkinsClassic is PPC, if I understand correctly, so the G5 supports PPC natively, I assume.14:38
neuroApple routinely deprecate support for earlier platforms, they have a policy of looking forward rather than looking back14:38
neurodwatkins: G5 was the last PowerPC CPU Apple used14:38
arc__But the best PPC Ever made14:39
dwatkinsprobably, since it was the last ;)14:39
neuroprobably the most powerful and full featured PowerPC based Mac ever released, sure14:39
neurobut the G5 has been outclassed by more recent PPC CPUs14:40
neuroe.g. Cell14:40
dwatkinsThe SGI Tezro was the most powerful MIPS-based machine they made, but it was also the last.14:40
* neuro waves at the PS3 and Xbox 36014:40
arc__Some programs resently supported ppc with universal binary14:40
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dwatkinsyes, universal was useful for the transition.14:40
ormiretdoes IBM still make PPC servers?14:40
neurothey still make PowerPC CPUs, yeah14:41
neuromostly for SoC stuff14:41
neuronot sure about servers any more14:41
arc__Yes ps3 and the 360 have ppc cpu's but they where not computers14:41
neurodepends on your definition of "computer"14:41
arc__how do you define it then14:42
waveformormiret, yup - the pSeries (servers) and zSeries (mainframes) both use power arch14:42
neuroan electronic device with a central microprocessor, random access memory, storage and input/output ports14:42
arc__i need to reboot to install the epic MS OS XP PRO SP314:42
neurowaveform: still? jeez14:42
neurothere are PowerPCs running the three Mars rovers :)14:43
dwatkinswell if it's robust, why not? :)14:43
arc__Thinking about OSX it is cheaper to install then any MS OS14:44
neurocuriosity is using a hardened 750, I think14:44
dwatkinsarc__: are you just trolling, or do you have a point to make, please?14:44
waveformneuro, yeah - they even sell a few now and then :)14:44
neuroaha, was right14:44
neuroBAE make them14:44
dwatkinsThere are merits and disadvantages to each operating system, and everyone has different opinions.14:44
arc__Thanz for the info for the WinUSB program14:45
arc__dwatkins:Yeah you are right14:45
neurothis thing is a beast14:45
neuro"can withstand 100,000 rads"14:45
neuro$200K cost stock for the CPU and mobo14:46
neuroplus or minus variances for customer requirements and quantities ordered14:46
neuroMRO and LRO use them too14:46
arc__My argument for Mac's got me a A*14:46
neuroargument *for*?14:47
arc__Why Mac's are bad14:47
neurothat's not "for", that's "against"14:47
neuroand there's no apostrophe in plurals14:47
neuro<- grammar geek14:47
davmor2Argument overruled F14:48
arc__my fake statistics 1 in 3 people make the fatal decision of buying a Mac14:48
arc__Any they are fired because they can't use Windows programs14:49
neurowhat are you talking about?14:49
mgdmI don't need or want any Windows programs to do my job \o/14:50
neuromgdm: \m/14:50
* neuro glares at vSphere14:50
arc__you people are slow14:50
neuroah, the insults begin14:50
mgdm(This message brought to you by tmux, mosh, irssi, and Mac OS X)14:50
mgdm(oh, and Ubuntu)14:51
* neuro googles14:51
neuronice save14:51
arc__But the Mac G5 is a good editing rig14:51
mgdmneuro: like screen but moar better14:51
arc__moar ?14:51
mgdmneuro: also the integration with iTerm2 is pretty neat14:51
neuroi really really really should use iTerm 214:51
neurobut i'm still stuck in stock Terminal.app land14:52
mgdmneuro: so you can have iTerm2 have split windows that are actually tmux panes underneath14:52
neuroi have 3 windows open right now, 5 tabs each14:52
MattJmgdm, off the top of your head, do you know how to get the Ctrl-a,Ctrl-a behaviour in tmux?14:52
neuroi'm an idiot14:52
neurohehe :)14:52
mgdmand detach and reattach and all that14:52
neuroMattJ: wouldn't that just be a screen-ism?14:52
neurofor compatibility and all taht?14:52
mgdmMattJ: As in remap Ctrl-b to Ctrl-a? Or have Ctrl-a send an actual Ctrl-a?14:52
MattJmgdm, nope, in screen it toggles between the current and previous window14:53
mgdmAfraid not14:53
MattJor is there an equivalent easier shortcut in tmux that I haven't found?14:53
popeyi use byobu14:53
popeywhich uses tmux now14:53
arc__WinUSB failed Bootmgr is missing14:53
popeyand uses the same keyboard shortcuts as screen14:53
MattJpopey, since when?14:53
popeyafter 12.0414:54
davmor2MattJ: set the preferred to tmux14:54
popeythats not what after means ☻14:54
mgdmMattJ: http://superuser.com/questions/429558/how-to-switch-between-two-latest-windows-in-tmux14:54
MattJpopey, just checking :)14:54
MattJNow I feel guilty for making someone google for me14:54
popeywell, my vps still uses screen and thats 12.0414:54
MattJmgdm, excellent, thanks :)14:55
davmor2popey: you can set the default to be tmux,  currently it installs and runs screen you change the backend let me see if I remember how14:55
davmor2MattJ: ^ too14:55
popeyi am fine with screen14:55
mgdmOn a related topic, I'm not quite sure if I've got across how cool mosh is14:56
MattJI work with someone who won't use byobu specifically because it doesn't use tmux, so this is useful14:56
MattJmgdm, I'm concerned about security :/14:56
popeyi like mosh too14:56
davmor2MattJ, popey: byobu-select-backend select tmux restart the session14:56
popeysecurity of mosh?14:56
MattJdavmor2, thanks!14:57
popeyits ssh underneath14:57
mgdmwell... it is to start with, but the communication after that is something else, isn't it?14:57
davmor2popey: mosh to me means loud music and banging head so it would be secure whose gonna mess with that ;)14:57
mgdmAnyway - I use it to hop to my VM to use IRC - I've not installed it on anything production yet14:58
daftykinswhat's different about it over SSH?15:02
popeyit's more resilient to crappy connections15:05
neuromgdm: i need to sort my tabs out: http://bit.ly/1chvf17 :)15:05
popeyso ideal for mobile / 3g15:05
popeyand crap wifi15:05
mgdmYou can use your laptop somewhere on wifi, close it, go home, open it again on different wifi and have your connections resume15:06
popeyyeah, thats nice too15:06
daftykinsneuro: lmao15:06
neuroi assume you're laughing at my chrome tabs ;)15:07
mgdmneuro: holy moly15:08
neuroaye :)15:08
bigcalmI'm wondering what the background image is15:08
dwatkinsneuro: that's quite impressive; I try to keep at least my icons visible - I use CloudTab to save them all ocvcasionally, in case I lose any/all my tabs.15:08
neurobigcalm: https://www.dropbox.com/s/sorio1q5fx7trlv/%5Benterprise%5D%20Kate%20Beckinsale.jpg15:09
neurodwatkins: yeah, i like the idea of seeing the icons too15:09
dwatkinsthankfully safe for work15:09
neurodoesn't always work like that!15:09
bigcalmNice eyes15:09
dwatkinsneuro: yeah, sometimes they just go crazy, yeah15:10
neuroi may be migrating wallpaper from kate beckinsale to olivia wilde at some point15:11
neuroneed to properly plan out the transition15:11
daftykinsol' stick insect15:12
daftykinswomen as wallpapers - so wrong15:12
bigcalmVariety takes care of background for me. Right now it's http://wallbase.cc/wallpaper/166621215:12
neuroit's my only vice15:12
neurowell, that and Hell's Kitchen15:12
popey\o/ variety15:13
popeyhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/40645538@N00/3887481731 is my current wallpaper15:13
popeycompletely random15:13
dwatkinsmine is still the TARDIS in a forest: http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2ac0yHvvu1rrm5udo1_500.jpg15:14
* mgdm likes simpledesktops.com15:14
neurobigcalm: you have made a new friend today, by linking to wallbase ;)15:15
dwatkinsI'm a little disappointed when I look on wallbase that it doesn't give credit to the original artist.15:15
daftykinshrmm you can't browse by resolution can you15:15
daftykinsi like grabbing images that work across my twin screens15:16
daftykinshence interfacelift.com was my old fave15:16
bigcalmI would love to use some of my old wallpapers, but I don't have the right monitors any more: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/sets/72057594070877691/15:16
neurook, can't link to THAT15:16
daftykinsdown boy!15:17
neuroi clicked on "sketchy" purity15:17
daftykins3840x1200 is my target here15:17
bigcalmneuro: I'm sure you could paste it to #lugradio :)15:17
neuromaybe i will and maybe i won't15:18
daftykinsthere's a nice one15:18
neurolooks a bit ... oversaturated?15:19
daftykinsalso the main point of the image is a little island inside said lake, which is cropped in that view XD15:19
bigcalmOver exposed is what I'd say15:20
bigcalmNice otherwise15:20
daftykinsmy we are a judgmental lot15:22
bigcalmHehe, sorry15:22
bigcalmI like photography15:22
bigcalmOne could tweak the levels15:22
mungbeanstill no $600 phones?15:36
popeythey were on day 115:37
mungbeanand look how popular they were...15:38
diddledanhmm, still only on 7.76m15:53
neurothe slowdown continueth15:55
neurothey're $3m off the required pace now :(15:59
mgdmit's looking a bit asymptotic, eh :/15:59
neurot-shirts and free lastpass premium subs now15:59
neurothe lastpass sub thing, fair enough16:03
neurothat's a cost that can be potentially borne by lastpass as they may gain customers in may 2015 from people happy to pay to continue their subs16:04
neurobut the t-shirts are stupid16:04
neuro"The Ubuntu Edge is an exclusive production run, available only through Indiegogo. All of the funding we receive goes directly towards producing the device for expected delivery in May 2014."16:04
neuroexcept for the money we'll need to use to make t-shirts16:05
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neurothis has a nice graph showing the pledge trough, which the edge is firmly in right now16:09
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MartijnVdSdiddledan: also, http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/08/gone-in-30-seconds-new-attack-plucks-secrets-from-https-protected-pages/16:18
SongtaoHi guys, maybe this is not right channel to ask, but everyone know about soap server request/response prefix ? how to change from soap-env to soap ? like the request or response I get always use <soap-env:body> but I want to change it to <soap:body>.  there is no soap irc channel. any help?16:20
MartijnVdSSongtao: SOAP is a very well-defined protocol :)16:21
MartijnVdSSongtao: which language are you using? You should probably use a library to decode it16:21
bigcalmI wouldn't want to deal with soap at a raw level16:22
SongtaoMartijinVds, thanks for your reply, I use php-soap write a soap server, but the name prefix always like <soap-env:body>, is there any way I can change it to <soap:body>16:22
MartijnVdSSongtao: yes, that's plain XML -- use a different xmlns16:22
MartijnVdSSongtao: It's probably best to learn more about XML and SOAP basics first, before writing your own SOAP server :)16:22
MartijnVdSSongtao: SOAP server libraries already exist, it's often better to use those.16:23
MartijnVdS(actually, it's almsot always better to use an existing library)16:24
SongtaoI am, I am using php-soap. I difined16:28
Songtao        xmlns:wsoap='http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/wsdl/soap/'16:28
Songtao        xmlns:soap='http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/'16:28
Songtaobut I do not know why, the request or the response, auto change it to  xmlns:soap-env='http://schemas.xmlsoap.org/soap/envelope/'16:29
daftykinsSongtao: you just got assistance and yet you're repeating your question? is something wrong?16:29
SongtaoI mean I defined in the server.wsdl file16:29
MartijnVdSSongtao: if you're using a proper XML parser and generator, the namespace bit does not matter.16:29
MartijnVdSSongtao: it could be "fnskjfsndkfn" and it would still work just fine16:29
SongtaoMartijinVds, thanks for your help.16:30
diddledanMartijnVdS: bingo!16:31
diddledanfnskjfsndkfn was just what I needed16:32
MartijnVdSdiddledan: a name for your next kid?16:32
diddledanno, my kid is going to follow the xkcd and be called "'; DROP ALL tables FROM students;"16:33
daftykinslittle billy tables16:33
diddledanthat's the one :-p16:33
daftykinsthat one did amuse16:33
MartijnVdSdiddledan: new password then?16:33
diddledanbetter billy tables than billy no-mates16:33
neurobobby tables16:34
popeyalso Null16:34
daftykinsclose enough16:34
popey"We have an employee whose last name is Null"16:34
daftykinshrmm what does it mean when google results are all purple and dull as if you've visited them all before but clearly haven't 0o16:35
MartijnVdSpopey: cool :)16:35
MartijnVdSdaftykins: you need to try reddit.com/new instead ;)16:35
MartijnVdSdaftykins: oh that's where redditors go if all links on the home page are purple :)16:36
daftykinsMartijnVdS: i'll never get that minute of my life back :(16:36
diddledandaftykins: just get on a plane and travel fast enough that when you get back everyone else is 1 minute older than you and bob's your uncle16:37
MartijnVdSbobby tables?16:37
diddledanyeah, him16:37
daftykinsyou'd have to superman it to be younger than bobby tables16:37
neuroMartijnVdS: http://xkcd.com/327/16:40
MartijnVdSneuro: I know, I was referring to "bob's your uncle"16:40
neurobob's your mother's brother16:40
MartijnVdSor your father's16:40
MartijnVdSyou could also expand "bob" to "robert"16:41
neuromine sounds better, onomatopoeiatically speaking16:41
MartijnVdSrobert's your mother's brother16:41
diddledanI'm my brother's father's son16:42
neuro"Her daughter is named Help I'm trapped in a driver's license factory."16:42
neuroxkcd alt tags ftw16:43
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DJonesOk, BT Broadband support have just won the advice of decade award, Dad was on the phone to them trying to get a fault diagnosed, they said have you run the antivirus software recently to rule that out, its not installed, ok install it, I'm on a Ubuntu laptop, Oh.. We know about that, you can install the antivirus software using wine..........17:29
diddledanbesides the stupidity of the request, wine is very unlikely able to run an av package designed for windows because it doesn't provide the kernel-level hooks17:39
DJonesdiddledan: Thats putting it politely :)17:53
daftykinsDJones: sounds great18:06
daftykinsi don't even think it would've been safe to say Linux was in use 'cause they could probably pull one of their classic "sorry that's not supported on this service" lines18:06
bubuhey guys, I have a file like a,b,c,d,e,f etc. How can I create a new line per item and delete commas?18:10
bubuso just a long column18:10
DJonesdaftykins: They already know it is, last time he had a problem I ended up ringing for him & went through it with BT, in the end I pointed out that I couldn't connect with an android phone and windows phone and ended up getting put through to supervisor, and then to the manager above them18:10
bubunvm got it :P18:11
popeybubu: cat file | tr , \n18:11
bubudone in ruby!18:11
bubuim an ops guy and my ruby is now better than my bash18:11
MartijnVdSbubu: how's your Perl?18:12
bubumeh, non existant18:12
bubuwork in a ruby house though18:12
daftykinsDJones: were they even any better? :)18:12
MartijnVdSnot a true ops guy :P18:12
bubuI've made my own graphite dashboards!18:12
bubu< ops guy18:12
daftykinsdrawing in pencil on paper doesn't count!18:13
MartijnVdSdaftykins: hardcore ops 8-)18:13
DJonesdaftykins: Eventually at the manager, probably spent an hour talking to him, he said he ran freebsd at home18:13
MartijnVdSbubu: I'm a programmer at a perl shop, and our ops people know as much ruby as perl (because puppet)18:13
ali1234isn't ruby just a dialect of perl anyway?18:13
daftykinsDJones: \o/ what was the actual issue? router/line sync troubles? :D18:14
DJonesdaftykins: Dad got a replacement homehub sent out in about 2 days18:14
MartijnVdSali1234: it's the evil child of python, perl and php18:14
ali1234i'm pretty sure ruby has nothing at all to do with php18:14
MartijnVdSali1234: its unicode support18:14
DJonesdaftykins: Faulty router, didn't work out what the fault was, they just replaced it18:14
ali1234what about it?18:14
daftykinsDJones: ah-har18:14
MartijnVdSali1234: it's almost as good as PHP's unicode support18:14
MartijnVdSali1234: unless they fixed that since I last looked18:15
ali1234that's like saying runy's syntax is almost as "good" as perl's18:15
MartijnVdSali1234: but it is :)18:15
bubuMartijnVdS: < chef18:16
bubuso it's all ruby18:16
buburuby has so many rubyisms though, cant think of anything you can do in perl that cant in ruby18:16
bububut just a bit prettier ;)18:16
ali1234in ruby you can't redefine the entire language to be whatever you want18:16
bubuyou dont have to.18:17
ali1234you don't have to in any language18:17
ali1234perl programmers just enjoy being obscure18:17
MartijnVdSali1234: hey at least it's not Perl 618:17
popeyat our lug someone gave a talk about perl, it was video'ed and put online, and was the most popular video we'd ever made18:17
daftykinsdue to anything specific?18:18
MartijnVdSpopey: the Perl community has some great speakers :)18:18
popey"Introduction to Perl: The friendly programming language"18:18
MartijnVdSpopey: I've been to several YAPC::Europes18:18
popeyyou'll find it via google18:18
popeyblimey, 200618:18
popeytime flies18:18
diddledanwhy do perl guys love the Yet Another X Y Z style of naming?18:19
bubuperl is a great language18:19
diddledanYAML, anyone?18:19
bubujust got into development and ruby is all I need18:19
bubu(at the mo anyway)18:19
ali1234perl is the worst language except for the ones which were specifically designed to be as bad as possible18:19
diddledanYAST (any ex-suse users?)18:19
diddledanali1234: whitespace18:19
ali1234"what is whitespace" - perl programmer18:20
MartijnVdSali1234: I don't know.. the community has been getting better at writing readable/maintainable code in the last few years18:20
MartijnVdSali1234: it's not Matt's Script Archive anymore18:20
ali1234diddledan: yeah, that's a joke language, like intercal and bf18:21
MartijnVdSdiddledan: https://metacpan.org/module/Acme::Bleach (the "Acme::" namespace is for non-serious/play modules)18:21
ali1234i don't count those when i say perl is the worst18:21
daftykinspopey: he says Perl 6 is going to arrive when Duke Nukem Forever and Windows Vista do!18:21
MartijnVdSali1234: have you written shell scripts?18:21
MartijnVdSali1234: I'd argue sh is worse than perl18:22
ali1234i would argue it's slightly better18:22
ali1234because unlike perl, it doesn't have the whole concept of "it's a really good idea to redefine large parts of the language as you see fit in every program"18:22
MartijnVdSali1234: Uh.. because that's not how most perl programs I know work?18:23
MartijnVdSali1234: I haven't redefined any chunk of the language in a serious project?18:23
MartijnVdSali1234: can you give an example?18:23
ali1234if you want to have functions in your program that take more than one argument, you have to redefine the language18:24
MartijnVdSali1234: oh?18:24
MartijnVdSali1234: sub foo { my ($bar, $baz) = @_; }18:24
ali1234that is taking one argument18:24
MartijnVdSno.. you call that as: foo(1, 2);18:24
ali1234it's still taking one argument18:25
MartijnVdSali1234: I count two?18:25
diddledanI think it's a case that you're both correct18:25
diddledanyou call it with two args, but it passes one arg18:25
MartijnVdSdiddledan: well, it passes one list of arguments18:25
diddledano_O http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aerocool-Strike-X-Frame-E-ATX-0-7mm/dp/B005ZV3MBS/ref=sr_1_35?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1375381509&sr=1-35&keywords=gaming+pc+cases18:26
MartijnVdSbut that's just how you call things.. I don't see what's wrong with it18:26
diddledansomeone just sent me that link in a different network18:26
MartijnVdSEveryone seems to be fine with it18:26
MartijnVdSdiddledan: whoa18:26
ali1234i'm not18:26
daftykinsdiddledan: seems more like a benchmarker's testbed18:27
ali1234further more while your example looks like a standard function definition to someone unfamiliar with perl, it's not...18:28
ali1234it's actually part of the code18:28
ali1234the function can later on do other things with @_18:28
ali1234this is awful18:28
ali1234there's no way to see the call signature of a function18:28
MartijnVdSali1234: it's flexible.18:28
ali1234unless you redefine the language so that there is18:29
ali1234but then it's not really perl any more18:29
MartijnVdSali1234: except it is, because you're using published APIs to do it18:30
ali1234but the problem is perl is so flexible you can turn it into any other language you want18:30
ali1234including some really stupid ones, and some one that already exist18:30
MartijnVdSali1234: though source filters (the old old way to achieve that) are frowned upon18:30
MartijnVdSali1234: new ones hack the op tree18:31
diddledancan I make php in it :-p18:31
ali1234i don't see why anyone would want this18:31
ali1234just make one language that is actually good18:31
MartijnVdSdiddledan: \o/18:31
MartijnVdSali1234: it's a consensus thing, about which modules are "good".18:32
ali1234the answer is "none of them, because they are all written in perl"18:32
diddledanI wonder if native-perl-based execution of php syntax through redefining the language would be faster than php itself?18:32
MartijnVdSali1234: now you're just being harsh for no reason :)18:32
ali1234diddledan: a perl developer claimed that the perl interpreter could run python faster than python, he turned out to be wrong18:33
daftykinshe does that18:33
diddledandoes perl do JIT these days, or is it still entirely interpreted?18:33
MartijnVdSali1234: People still write software in the language, and the community around it is great.18:33
MartijnVdSali1234: At least it's not PHP :P18:33
MartijnVdSdiddledan: it does what it's done for ages: a "compile" run at the start, then some statements ("require") that load more code, trigger a compile of that code before execution18:34
ali1234php is better than perl, because in php there's one bad way to do everything, instead of an unlimted number of bad ways18:34
MartijnVdSali1234: There's more than one way to mess up PHP, believe me.18:35
ali1234but you have to try pretty hard to invent new ones18:35
MartijnVdSalso.. it always expecting to be on the web is a bit annoying18:35
MartijnVdSeven if you run the command-line version18:35
ali1234yeah that is weird18:35
ali1234i'll give you that one18:35
diddledanali1234: what's your poison of choice? caveat: I work in PHP for my living but I'm always open to new ideas18:35
MartijnVdS"We're general-purpose now. Ish."18:36
ali1234diddledan: python18:36
MartijnVdSali1234: Old PEP-8 or new PEP-8?18:36
diddledanpython seems to have a very large momentum18:36
ali1234i dunno, what's the difference?18:36
MartijnVdSali1234: ^18:36
diddledanmy impression is I should learn it even if just to say me too18:36
MartijnVdSdiddledan: DO IT DO IT :P18:37
MartijnVdSdiddledan: it's a very clean language18:37
MartijnVdSbut the first few projects you publish will be shouted at for not being pythonic enough18:37
ali1234i have pretty much switched to always indenting with spaces now18:37
diddledantabs ftw18:37
ali1234not just python, everything18:38
MartijnVdSdiddledan: I guess you're one of those people who put the milk in before the tea as well?18:38
ali1234if you have to put milk in tea, you should put it in first18:38
diddledanMartijnVdS: how'd you guess?!18:38
MartijnVdSdiddledan: heathen!18:38
ali1234unless you like tea with little white lumps in it18:38
diddledanali1234: AMEN!18:38
MartijnVdSbut.. you can't see how strong the tea is if you put the milk in first18:39
MartijnVdSAlso, Douglas Adams is right: http://h2g2.com/approved_entry/A6134518:39
daftykinsgive me a black coffee any day18:39
daftykinsmy grandparents used to boil water in the morning, make tea then put it in a thermos18:40
ali1234anyway, i don;t really believe in most of these rules18:40
daftykinsand still be drinking the same first boil come the evening18:40
MartijnVdSdiddledan: *shudder*18:40
daftykinstight does not even begin to describe it18:40
ali1234particularly i don't follow the rules about not lining up similar code lines18:40
ali1234and i never ever follow the 80 column rule18:40
neurowell ...18:42
MartijnVdSali1234: at least stick to 132 then18:43
ali1234stop editing code on a vt10018:43
diddledanlol @ "in England it is generally considered socially incorrect to know stuff or think about things. It's worth bearing this in mind when visiting."18:43
popeyas an owner of a vt100...18:43
ali1234you finally got one then?18:44
daftykinsdiddledan: i was just grinning at that bit ^_^18:44
MartijnVdSlet me see how long a line actually is on this 2560x1080 screen18:44
diddledanMartijnVdS: what font?18:44
daftykinssize, dpi...18:44
diddledancomic sans at 28pt18:45
MartijnVdSdiddledan: "Monospace 10", 96x96 (xdpyinfo)18:45
MartijnVdSdiddledan: 70cm real width18:45
diddledanI've never worked out just what a pt actually happens to be18:45
MartijnVdSwell maybe 68 because of bezel18:45
daftykinsother than meaning 'point' ?18:45
ali1234i've got 211 columns with my default font here18:45
diddledandaftykins: exactly18:46
ali1234i've never needed more than that18:46
MartijnVdSali1234: how do I check easily?18:46
MartijnVdS  -geometry 311x32--4+2418:46
MartijnVdSxwininfo ftw18:46
diddledanMartijnVdS: write the numbers 1234567891011121318:46
ali1234MartijnVdS: open gedit, type until you reach the right edge, look at the bottom right of the window18:46
MartijnVdSali1234: it's 31118:46
diddledanthen when you get to the end realise you made the mistake of not realising that 11 is two characters and not one18:46
MartijnVdS21:9 baby18:46
ali1234yeah that's an interesting aspect ration18:47
ali12341920x1200 here18:47
RaycisCharles21:9 is a god-awful aspect ratio.18:47
RaycisCharlesIt's unusable.18:47
MartijnVdSRaycisCharles: it's great to put an editor next to a web browser18:47
RaycisCharlesEspecially as 2560x1080 is a joke.18:47
MartijnVdSI like it.18:47
RaycisCharlesMartijnVdS you can do that with a 16:9 monitor...18:47
MartijnVdSRaycisCharles: but it also fits the unity sidebar on 21:918:48
RaycisCharleslol I forgot I was in #ubuntu-uk.18:48
MartijnVdSRaycisCharles: also, I like more horizontal space without the second screen (and the "gap" in between)18:48
daftykinsRaycisCharles: where else do things get like this :'(18:48
RaycisCharlesNowhere else on freenode is 21:9 taken seriously.18:48
RaycisCharlesMaybe they're big in Holland?18:48
MartijnVdSthey're the same size everywhere18:48
daftykinsi own 16:10 displays on my desktop18:49
diddledan16:10 is just plain nuts for video18:49
daftykinsmy old man calls 'widescreen' - 'shortscreen'18:49
MartijnVdSI had a 16:10 before18:49
daftykinsdiddledan: you get the best of both worlds, sensible height windows, then video with bars18:50
RaycisCharlesEh, I can live without letterboxing.18:50
ali123416:10 is perfect for watching 16:9 video on a desktop environment where the damn panels just won't go away (unity)18:50
RaycisCharlesI have a 27" 2560x1440 monitor.18:50
diddledan2.35:1 anamorphic :-p18:50
RaycisCharles2.35:1 is just a really annoying aspect ratio notation.18:51
daftykinsthat's not what letterboxing is18:51
diddledanRaycisCharles: it's how they label it on DVD cases18:51
RaycisCharlesYes it is...18:51
RaycisCharlesDon't tell me Mark Shuttleworth has redefined letterboxing?18:51
daftykinsi wouldn't go by his doctrine18:51
daftykinsbut no, just having bars when playing 16:9 on 16:10 != letterboxing18:51
daftykinsbut anywho, this topic is getting way out of hand18:52
MartijnVdSit is18:52
MartijnVdSletterboxing = adding black bars18:52
RaycisCharlesNo it's not, I'm going to destroy your argument.18:52
RaycisCharlesFilms can be letterboxed twice.18:52
daftykinsi must escape to pastures saner18:52
RaycisCharlesBadly mastered films have a native letterbox and then are letterboxed within the media player.18:52
RaycisCharlesYeah way to hit and run - I was about to destroy you.18:52
ali1234like on youtube videos that were widescreen before youtube did widescreen18:53
daftykinsthat's a really terrible attitude you have toward conversation there18:53
neurowoah woah woah18:53
* RaycisCharles throws daftykins across the room18:53
neuroi step away to finish a DS9 episode and come back to carnage18:53
* RaycisCharles is pumped up18:53
RaycisCharlesneuro, which episode?18:53
neurouhhh the paper moon one18:54
MartijnVdS!coc | RaycisCharles18:54
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RaycisCharlesThat's a terrible episode.18:54
neurowhere nog gets over the loss of his leg18:54
neuroi quite enjoyed it18:54
RaycisCharlesMartijnVdS, that's considered spam.18:54
neurono, it's not18:54
RaycisCharlesOh, that one.18:54
RaycisCharlesI thought it was the one where they're in the casino and waste time doing nothing.18:54
MartijnVdSRaycisCharles: no, it's considered a polite request18:54
neuroRaycisCharles: watch this to figure out why 21:9 is cool: https://vimeo.com/6883056918:55
RaycisCharlesI find it hard to believe that Starfleet couldn't grow legs in the 24th century.18:55
MartijnVdSRaycisCharles: please stop bashing other people. If you disagree, you can point that out politely, and with arguments instead of shouting the loudest (which doesn't mean you're right, btw)18:55
neuroit's explained why in the episode where he actually loses his leg18:55
RaycisCharlesI think they just wanted to give somebody a disability.18:55
RaycisCharlesI know why he lost it.18:55
neurobut it's explained in dialogue why they can't just grow a new one18:55
RaycisCharlesI'm saying that in the 24th century there'd be no such thing as disability.18:56
RaycisCharlesOh? I don't remember that.18:56
neurowell then18:56
neuroRAAR RAAR RAAR ... oh.18:56
RaycisCharlesMaybe losing his leg was just an allegory on the futility of war.18:56
neuroor an excuse to show how the war affects those on the ground18:56
ali1234they do grow him a new one or whatever. it's explained in the episode that the problem is entirely psychological18:56
RaycisCharlesOh yeah.18:57
neurowhich is why he got an episode devoted to the topic18:57
RaycisCharlesThat's powerful stuff.18:57
ali1234it's not a great episode18:57
RaycisCharlesDS9 had the best character arcs by a mile.18:57
neuroRonald D. Moore, at your service18:57
RaycisCharlesWell...none of the other Star Treks had any character arcs to speak of.18:57
neuronot entirely true18:58
ali1234it only happened in DS9 because they were blatantly copying B518:58
RaycisCharlesWorf becomes lighter and ends up not looking like Predator crossed with a raccoon.18:58
RaycisCharlesThat's like the only significant change in TNG. I don't count Wesley Crusher's migration from rainbow pride uniform to red.18:58
neuroworf + kid18:58
neurotroi + commander18:59
neurooccasional dalliances of picard + beverley18:59
RaycisCharlesOh come on, those weren't character arcs.18:59
ali1234none of that stuff ever went anywhere18:59
neuroworf + kid certainly was18:59
RaycisCharlesNo it wasn't.18:59
RaycisCharlesThat wasn't an arc...that was a "son hates dad" episode.18:59
neuroYou're rather difficult to talk to, aren't you?18:59
RaycisCharlesWell then, let's talk about something other than Star Trek.19:00
neuroto be fair, it was you who carried on the star trek talk after i simply mentioned where i'd been19:00
RaycisCharlesI imagine there's quite an overlap between fans of Star Trek and fans of Debian downstreams.19:00
neurogeeks like star trek? THAT'S UNPOSSIBLE!19:00
ali1234ya know... voyager had more character development than TNG...19:01
* neuro points to his federation starship naming convention ...19:01
neuroali1234: what, seven's costume changes? :)19:01
ali1234no, not really19:01
neuroTWAS A JOKE, SIR!19:01
neurotho the doctor had a pretty varying arc over the years19:02
ali1234the doctor mainly19:02
neurothe thing that always struck me as completely unreasonable was paris being field promoted to lieutenant, then being busted down to ensign, then repromoted19:02
ali1234pretty much entirely really19:02
neurowhile poor harry was stuck being an ensign for the whole trip19:02
MartijnVdSneuro: instead of Kim?19:02
neuroMartijnVdS: exactly19:02
ali1234yeah well that's because janeway is crazy19:02
* mgdm attempts to get his YouView box to see more than one mux19:03
MartijnVdSneuro: great film, that vimeo one :)19:03
neuroMartijnVdS: innit?19:03
neuroi love movie geek stuff like that19:03
mgdmneuro: really?19:03
neuromgdm: unlucky19:03
neurowhat tx, black hill?19:03
mgdmI think so19:03
mgdm120 channels now, there we go19:03
neuroi get epic quality from black hill19:04
neuroeven though my aerial is in the loft19:04
mgdmI think one of my HDMI cables is shielded about as well as the netting you get onions in19:04
mgdmbecause I swapped it and now it's fine19:04
neuroi always say uber expensive hdmi cables are a waste of time19:04
ali1234there are different types of hdmi cable19:04
neurobut Cheap McCheap cables are a waste of time19:04
neurodon't spend 500 quid but at the same time don't spend 2 quid19:05
ali1234the price doesn't seem to make a difference to whether they will work or not19:05
mgdmthis wasn't Champion the Wonder Cable cheap, but it wasn't more expensive than about a tenner19:05
ali1234it's something to do with wether the cable has the right bits19:05
neuroi totally have that music in my head now19:05
neuromgdm: and for that, i must kill you where you stand19:06
* neuro worfs up19:06
* mgdm gets down19:06
MartijnVdSjump up jump up & get down19:06
neurolying on the floor will do you no good against my bat'leth!19:06
mgdmAnyone stepping to me you'll get burned19:07
mgdm'cos I got lyrics and you ain't got none19:07
mgdmso if you come to battle bring a shotgun19:07
mgdmShotgun > bat'leth19:07
neuroSoHvaD pagh vljatlh, Human!19:07
neuroi don't know what i'm doing19:08
* mgdm watches neuro chop his own arm off19:08
* neuro stops before pasting more quotes from Memory Alpha19:08
neuroyeah, that would be a strong possibility19:09
neuroalthough i could just grow one back, AM I RIGHT?!19:09
mgdmYou're probably not right, no19:11
diddledangood movie aspect ratio discussion that19:17
neurolol, was it? :)19:17
neuroall i saw was rage :)19:17
diddledanno, I mean the video19:17
neurooh right :)19:17
neuroyeah, that's why i linked to it!19:17
diddledanin here was nothing but "GRRR BRAINS"19:18
diddledanavatar (movie by james cameron) is going to have 3, count em, THREE sequels that have been planned for 2016, 17 and 1819:22
diddledanthat's a long time to wait19:22
neuroNOT LONG ENOUGH!19:23
diddledandidn't like dances with wolves.. in space?19:23
neurosome movies just don't need sequels19:23
neurolike, can you imagine if they tried to make a sequel to Blade Runne... oh19:23
diddledanall three movies are going to be filmed en-masses19:24
neuroback-to-back is i believe the term you're looking for19:24
diddledansimultaneously is the  term in the article I'm reading19:25
MartijnVdSneuro: Yeah, it's a good thing they never made a sequel to The Matrix19:25
diddledanas opposed to 1..2..3.. it's 1..2..3..1..2..3..2..1..19:25
neurosimultaneously? wtf19:25
neurocameron is off his had19:25
diddledanMartijnVdS: they're bound to revisit the matrix again at some point19:26
dogmatic69I just installed qt4 on 12.04 and it does not launch, any ideas?19:40
dogmatic69strace shows "recvfrom(11, 0x16bd624, 4096, 0, 0, 0)  = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)"19:41
dogmatic69loads of them, every couple seconds. and I even left it running for 1 hour + with no change19:41
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: what's fd 11? check /proc/<pid>/fd/11 (ls -l)19:44
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: and/or lsof -p pid19:45
MartijnVdSthe last one's easier19:45
dogmatic69where do i get pid?19:45
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: ps probably19:45
dogmatic69ps qtcreator?19:45
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: no, ps ax -> look throuhg the list19:46
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: or pgrep qtcreator19:46
dogmatic69two have <defunct>19:46
MartijnVdSthose died and their parent never processed that19:46
MartijnVdS"ps fax" will show which is their parent19:47
MartijnVdSqtcreator 11060 dogmatic69   11u  unix 0x0000000000000000      0t0    989281 socket19:48
MartijnVdSIt's a UNIX domain socket19:48
MartijnVdSbut to what.. no idea19:48
dogmatic69what is UNIX domain socket?19:48
MartijnVdSdogmatic69: man 7 unix19:48
dogmatic69does that explain the <defunct>19:49
MartijnVdSit might explain why it's not receiving anything on that socket though19:49
MartijnVdSif it's expecting one of the children to write something to it19:49
MartijnVdSit'll never get anything19:50
mgdmneuro: I've built stuff for YouView but not actually used one in my own living room yet - it's pretty smooth, actually20:07
HoT|2fC^Some hosting companys are rude! I just got 3 Gameservers terminated I asked why they said were no longer hosting games any more LOL so I said ok so I just paid you £30 for another month of 3 doom3 gameservers.20:38
HoT|2fC^I then got a reply of sorry no refunds :/20:38
HoT|2fC^thats odd \o/20:39
mgdmthat's probably illegal20:47
daftykinsnot if it's in agreed to terms20:48
daftykinsalso, surprising doom3 is still being run :)20:48
zleapdoom 3 is good20:49
zleapscary though esp in a dark room with good speakers20:49
daftykinsi remember that from release, yep20:51
diddledanright, saucy.. is mir default yet?21:02
dogmatic69anyone got a beagle board black?21:21
diddledanok, I'm being bitten by bug #1195509 :-(21:42
lubotu3bug 1195509 in Mir "System compositor fails to start - Failed to set the current VT mode: Input/output error (5)" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/119550921:42
diddledanit dropped back to pure X1121:42
diddledanstill usable as a system, but I wanted to try mir :-p21:42
diddledanhttp://ubuntu-edge.info/#total 3meelion short of target21:44

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