[06:19] morning all [07:42] #offtopic can you answer this poll for me please? - http://www.paulmellors.net/linux-based-computers/ [07:48] MooDoo: hmm sweets! [07:48] MartijnVdS: lol it's an idea I got from lensfettish lol === iahmad is now known as iahmad|afk [08:16] picked up the play house for my kid and 2 pieces wouldn't fit in the estate car. smuggled them into the back garden thinking it will be OK for a few days until we get the other bits. first thing my boy says this morning "whats that yellow red and green thing in the garden?" [08:17] ewps [08:17] "ummm its a thing ..." [08:17] mungbean: how old is he? [08:18] 3.5 [08:19] he didn't know what it was so desribed it perfectly [08:20] mungbean: you buried it? [08:22] .. or him? [08:22] we hid it in the garden but he noticed [08:22] time for a bigger garden ;) [08:23] i'm clearly not as observant as i wouldn't have been looking out of the window like that [08:24] morning [08:25] morning [08:25] morning popey, SuperMatt [08:27] MooDoo: i have to say when i saw your blog post I was confused. "These are the words that strike fear into most computer users" - looked up and saw "Linux based computers" ☻ [08:32] popey: sorry it was more for my windows based friends that are always coming to me with virus issues I wasn't going to post it in here with you lot :) [08:32] Good morning all, happy Yorkshire Day! :-D [08:32] I'll update the post title. [08:33] JamesTait: wait.. really? [08:33] Really! [08:33] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yorkshire_Day is one source. [08:34] that moment your machine freezes while momentarily checking facebook on one screen and irc on the other, and you hear your boss coming ... [08:34] ctrl-alt-f1 .....cmon work! [08:34] mungbean, squeaky bum time! [08:34] mungbean: boss key :) [08:34] machine froze [08:34] alt-SysRq-R ;) (don't do this, obviously) [08:34] turn off left monitor [08:34] discretely [08:35] stupid 4gb of RAM [08:36] I have 16 GB in my laptop, it's usually enough. [08:37] JamesTait: so.. yorkshire pudding, wensleydale cheese? [08:38] MartijnVdS, yum! [08:38] I mean, yes! [08:38] grommitttt [08:39] I tried a stilton/brie cheese the other day omnomnomnom === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:41] what's the deal with stilton? i think the only people who eat it are incapable of actually tasting it [08:42] I quite like stilton [08:42] me too. [08:42] mind you there's few cheeses I don't like [08:42] do you also enjoy eating mouldy bread? [08:42] because that's what stilton tastes like [08:42] hah [08:42] i dont recall tasting mouldy bread [08:42] I like blue cheese. [08:42] I almost certainly have though [08:43] ali1234: do you drink lager? [08:43] Ooh, its nice and sunny out here, could do with a lager now [08:43] not really no [08:43] too early I guess [08:44] ali1234: it's ok I was only teasing, was going to say if you don't like stilton and drink lager it would explain it as you can't deal with taste ;) [08:44] i don't like any beer really [08:44] i'd rather drink wine [08:44] we need an ubuntu uk home bew club [08:44] s/brew [08:45] ali1234: yeah I love a good red :D [08:45] MooDoo: I've already sent a sample to AlanBell and TheOpenSourcerer ;) [08:45] MartijnVdS: nice, mine are in my mashing bins :D [08:45] scenario: nfs server has high iowait, could be one of many clients/nodes using the data poorly and contention for same spindle - how to identify? [08:45] MooDoo: http://www.vandestreek-bier.nl/en/our-beer/ (web shop only works in Dutch for now) [08:45] mungbean: iotop [08:46] MartijnVdS: these the ones Alan reviewed on his blog? [08:46] just says nfsd [08:46] MooDoo: yes [08:46] but really though, do people think stilton tastes like normal cheese but a bit stronger? [08:47] also, iptraf shows highest traffic, but might not be traffic, might be contention for same spindle [08:47] ali1234, define "normal cheese". [08:47] JamesTait: wensleydale, cheshire etc [08:47] JamesTait: Gouda ;) [08:47] lancashire [08:48] they all look pretty similar (well, if you get white stilton anyway) [08:48] I'm sure there are people who look upon those cheeses as bland, tasteless, whatever. [08:48] i.e. which user is using a particular nfs process? [08:49] cheshire is probably the strongest of them, but they all taste pretty much the same, ie like cheese [08:49] I like stilton because it tastes like stilton. :) [08:50] i prefer soft cheeses [08:50] I still have half a mini camembert in the fridge. [08:50] i like camembert [08:51] I occasionally treat myself to a bacon, brie and avocado sandwich on wholemeal seeded bread. [08:52] Then wait a few months for my arteries to unclog. ;) === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [08:55] MooDoo, have you published the URL for that poll anywhere else? [08:55] JamesTait: facebook g+ should I remove it? [08:55] I don't think so. :) [08:56] I was just going to share it on Facebook, but if you've already done that I'll share your post instead. ;) [08:57] thanks :D [08:58] good morning everyone, [08:58] \o brobostigon [08:58] brobostigon: have you taken MooDoo's poll yet? ;) === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [08:59] MartijnVdS: first i have heard of it. [08:59] brobostigon: I only put it on my blog this morning :D lol [08:59] MooDoo: ah, :) [09:02] brobostigon: just look at the latest blog post on paulmellors.net titled windows based computers [09:02] MooDoo: will do, :). i will add it to my rss also, :) [09:03] brobostigon: oh it's not that exciting lol [09:03] MooDoo: it is, it means i wont miss anything you write, now, :) [09:04] I'm just working on something and need to gauge peoples interested, people like you who already run linux on a pc won't find it of interest [09:04] i see. [09:05] brobostigon: no offense meant in that :) lol [09:05] MooDoo: i will forward it to people i know, who do use windows. :) [09:05] brobostigon: thank you [09:06] MooDoo: youre welcome, === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [09:08] MooDoo: there are rounding errors [09:08] MooDoo: question, you have no direct rss link on your page, it is wordpress, but whats the rss url? [09:08] MooDoo: 7%, 1 Votes vs 6%, 1 Votes [09:09] brobostigon: just put the page in your RSS reader, it should figure it out by itself (using the tag) [09:09] MartijnVdS: i see, ok, let me try that. [09:10] brobostigon: alternatively, look at that tag yourself and add the URL in it to your rss reader :) === iahmad|afk is now known as iahmad [09:13] sory for causing so much hassle lol [09:14] no worries. [09:15] I have these ideas that cause hassles lol === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [09:55] Morning all [09:55] morning davmor2 [10:28] been trying out this gmic suite of plugins for gimp, seems to improve gimp hugely for photo manipulation [10:28] mungbean: got a url?? [10:28] http://blog.patdavid.net/2013/07/getting-around-in-gimp-photography.html [10:29] http://blog.patdavid.net/2013/02/calvin-hollywood-freaky-details-in-gimp.html [10:30] can't believe i never heard of it before [10:31] i had the latest in the repos but thats cos i had otto's gimp.2.8 repo [10:32] mungbean: oh aye, it's pretty nice [10:32] nice [10:32] the sharpening stuff actually works [10:33] glad i'm cancelling my adobe CC subscription at the end of the month :) [10:34] funnily enough ... if [ $(bzgrep -c "GET /af/ $AFLOG") -gt 0 ] ... doesn't actually grep the file in the variable $AFLOG ... been looking at that for 20 minutes before i saw it :P [10:34] * neuro starts to make gurgling noises [10:39] * MooDoo pats neuro on the back [10:39] bloody web statistics [10:40] awstats ftw ;) [10:40] i need to massage the logs first === marxjohn1on is now known as marxjohnson === graingert is now known as oddbloke === oddbloke is now known as graingert === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:03] edward snowden has left the transit area of sheremetyevo [12:03] looks like he's gotten 1 yr temporary asylum in .ru [12:04] let's hope he's not gay.. [12:04] or he'll be arrested again [12:04] (weird russians) [12:04] he'd be more likely to have the crap beaten out of him :( === iahmad_ is now known as iahmad [12:09] I may be boycotting the winter olympics if Russia don't change that particular law. === schwuk is now known as schwuk_away [12:31] if he's walking around .ru he won't last long === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:52] it's gone a bit quiet in here [12:53] sssh, you spoiled it [12:53] zip! [12:53] bz2! [12:57] 7z! [12:57] .tgz [12:58] Rar. [12:58] eek [12:59] * diddledan wonders who just tried wikipediing the "eek" compression format [12:59] lhz [12:59] lha even [13:00] arc [13:00] i used to have a floppy disk full of archiving tools [13:00] pkzip, pkarc, arj, lharc... [13:00] xz is the most compressive I've found for text [13:00] happy days [13:00] popey: loads on the amiga! [13:00] never had an amiga [13:01] Jabber \o/ [13:02] Jabber \o/ [13:02] Wasn't sure if that still worked \o/ [13:02] It still works \o/ [13:03] Jabber \o/ [13:03] ? [13:03] Jabber \o/ [13:03] am I missing something? [13:03] http://matthewwild.co.uk/uploads/jabber.png [13:03] Since... 2008 [13:04] going on about jabber sigh...i'd never mention jabber coz jabber isn't funny so please don't mention jabber [13:04] what on earth is wrong with your computer?!? [13:05] it tends to jabber [13:05] At least I don't have that compiz window wobble on highlight now [13:05] lol [13:05] your window used to wobble when someone said jabber? [13:05] Yes [13:05] why would you have a jabber wobble? [13:05] :-p [13:05] coz it's fun :D [13:06] Thankfully no other channel has discovered my secret in all these year [13:06] s [13:06] lol [13:19] Good afternoon peeps :) [13:20] hello big [13:20] hello bigcalm [13:21] afternoonings bigcalm [13:22] Who is celebrating IPA day? :) [13:22] IPA day? [13:23] international p**is awareness day? [13:24] Indian Pale Ale [13:24] IPA day, you say [13:24] * mgdm will acquire some Deuchars tonight [13:24] mgdm: mixed reports that it is today or tomorrow [13:24] I'll celebrate twice, to be sure [13:24] :D [13:25] I might have to celebrate as well, after badminton [13:26] That said, I'm happy to celebrate the IPA any day of the year [13:27] hehe === schwuk_away is now known as schwuk [13:30] does celebrating IPA day, tonight with a curry sound acceptable ? [13:31] brobostigon: only if you also have an IPA ;) [13:31] MartijnVdS: yes, that what i meant, :) [13:31] * dwatkins assumes this is a beer-related abbreviation, not a financial one [13:31] though curry is supposed to be from the same I as IPA was originally developed for ;) [13:32] dwatkins: it's not international phonetic alphabet day [13:32] interwesting MartijnVdS [13:32] Oscar Kilo ;) [13:33] dwatkins: ˌɪntərˈnæʃənəl fəˈnɛtɪk ˈæl.fə.bɛt [13:33] IPA wasn't developed in India. It started in England as a type of ale that would survive the journey to India [13:33] I think [13:34] bigcalm: most curries are more British than Indian too :P [13:34] Hehe, good point [13:34] Is it beer o'clock yet? [13:35] yes. [13:35] :D [13:35] \o/ [13:36] http://isittimeforbeeryet.com/ [13:36] lol. [13:37] Oh, the weekend [13:37] yeah, strange people ;) [13:38] After the lovely days of cool rain, it's gone back to being hot and muggy [13:38] Boo weather [13:38] more rian tmrw and saturday. [13:38] rain* [13:39] bigcalm: yeah, 33°C here today [13:40] 28c right now. [13:44] nice and cool here in Edinburgh, a little rain but hopefully not enough to make the canal path dangerous on the way home. [13:45] nice and cool in my airconed home office :) [13:45] it was chucking it down earlier, now it's merely drizzling here in Glasgow [13:47] mgdm: best weather you've had all year? [13:54] MartijnVdS: No, we had about a month of mid-to-late twenties and clear skies until today [13:59] it's boiling here [14:00] yeah isn't it just [14:00] like 30° [14:00] .weather nottingham [14:01] @weather [14:01] rats you don't have that bot here lol [14:01] 29.4 in nottingham [14:04] hello i need some help in ubuntu [14:05] !ask [14:05] Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [14:05] ok here it is i need to make a win xp usb in ubuntu [14:05] my dvd drive is dead [14:06] not with you....you need to make a win xp boot usb stick? [14:07] http://www.webupd8.org/2010/10/create-bootable-windows-7-usb-drive.html [14:07] this might be better [14:07] http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/winusb-create-bootable-windows-installer-usb-in-ubuntu-linux/ [14:08] ok i will have a look [14:09] neat, didn't know you could do that, MooDoo [14:10] how do i get the latest unetbootin [14:11] via terminal [14:11] http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/post/56784044470/script-kiddie-tries-to-crack-a-system-while-the [14:17] ok i have upgareded it [14:18] arc__: antother better one I think - http://www.addictivetips.com/ubuntu-linux-tips/winusb-create-bootable-windows-installer-usb-in-ubuntu-linux/ [14:18] do you guys know of any other useful related tools [14:18] neuro: heh [14:19] it is the same one as before MooDoo [14:19] oh doh! lol [14:19] what Ubuntu version are you running, arc__? [14:20] 12.04.1 [14:20] lst [14:20] lts [14:21] i am so gullable [14:21] i am so gullible (spelling) [14:22] http://packages.ubuntu.com/precise/unetbootin - highest version for Precise seems to be 565-3, and it's what installs on my server which runs Precise. [14:22] Precise=12.04 [14:23] i have tried using it to make a xp usb but it does not work [14:24] what kind of error do you get, arc__ ? [14:24] also, which procedure did you follow? The first two links are for Windows 7 (or Vista) [14:24] 20ºC here, suckers, hahaha [14:25] i may have to put a jumper on soon! [14:25] it has only one boot option and it is Default and that just goes back to the boot loader [14:25] neuro: I can have it as low as 14 I think, but am curently at a very pleasant 25 :) [14:25] aircon? [14:26] neuro: yeap [14:26] I am now trying WinUSB [14:26] *envy* [14:26] arc__: I don't know it's even possible to boot XP from CD without using 3rd party software. [14:26] i have the .iso [14:26] neuro: in my home office :) [14:26] sorry, I mean boot from USB [14:26] having the ISO might not be enough, sadly [14:26] i have done it in xp before [14:26] davmor2: $envy++ [14:27] it makes the install really fast [14:27] i hope we're not discussing using pirated software in here ... [14:27] nope my copy of my real xp disk for my own use [14:27] only ! === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:28] apple lets you copy your os disk once for a backup [14:28] you bought a retail copy of XP? [14:28] neuro: I got it for our old flat the one summer when we were melting it was that hot. So got it pretty cheap, and it works a charm :) [14:28] yes long a ago [14:28] davmor2: i may look into that for next summer if it ends up being anything like this one [14:28] that's the one thing i miss working from home, not having a nice climate controlled office to work in [14:28] neuro: no don't look into in the winter when they are silly money :0 [14:29] :) [14:29] well that and the free tea/coffee/fizzy pop [14:29] davmor2: yeah that's what i meant ;) [14:29] thought MS should make a open sourced copy of xp the best windows's os ever [14:29] * neuro giggles [14:29] XP? [14:29] Best? [14:29] i should get my air con thing out [14:30] It is the best after Ubuntu [14:30] popey: you just keep your thing to yourse... oh air con thing, OK [14:30] XP was a total mess [14:30] no [14:30] arc__: I think you'll find Ubuntu isn't made by microsoft ;) [14:30] vista was a total mess [14:30] awful drivers, terrible default UI [14:30] I know that davmor2 [14:31] XP is probably more responsible for the rise of Ubuntu, Fedora, etc than anything else [14:32] Windows 2000 and Windows 7 are the only really good OSes Microsoft have released in the last 15 years [14:32] and I use the term "good" rather loosely [14:32] Win 2000 don't make me laugh [14:32] since OS X and any decent Linux distro will whip Window's hide even on their worst days [14:32] OSX don't make me laugh [14:33] Win 7 is ok [14:33] i knew there was a reason i'd stopped talking to this guy [14:33] go on, please do share your insights as to why Windows 2000 and OS X won't make you laugh [14:33] this guy has a nick name [14:34] i'm genuinely interested [14:34] given what I presume are your years of professional experience in the IT field [14:35] OSX had no classic enviroment support to run old programs that i loved to use [14:35] yes it did [14:35] Like the Mac G5 [14:35] It did, arc__ - they stopped supporting the ancient "Classic" envirnment two versions ago, though. [14:35] until Apple decided it was not commercially viable to continue supporting classic apps [14:35] as neuro says [14:35] NO 10.5.8 did not [14:36] the same way as Apple dropped support for PPC OS X apps [14:36] 10.5 might not have [14:36] but that's not what you said [14:36] 10.5.8 did not what? [14:36] NO the Classic enviro was not supported on the G5 all together [14:36] and on what architecture? [14:36] PPC [14:36] The G5 Only PPC [14:37] i think what you're trying to say is that you couldn't buy a G5 with classic preinstalled [14:37] No i have tried alot i have 2 G5's [14:37] anyway, most mac users desperate to run classic apps just install sheepshaver [14:38] Classic is PPC, if I understand correctly, so the G5 supports PPC natively, I assume. [14:38] Apple routinely deprecate support for earlier platforms, they have a policy of looking forward rather than looking back [14:38] dwatkins: G5 was the last PowerPC CPU Apple used [14:39] But the best PPC Ever made [14:39] probably, since it was the last ;) [14:39] probably the most powerful and full featured PowerPC based Mac ever released, sure [14:40] but the G5 has been outclassed by more recent PPC CPUs [14:40] e.g. Cell [14:40] The SGI Tezro was the most powerful MIPS-based machine they made, but it was also the last. [14:40] * neuro waves at the PS3 and Xbox 360 [14:40] Some programs resently supported ppc with universal binary === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [14:40] yes, universal was useful for the transition. [14:40] does IBM still make PPC servers? [14:41] they still make PowerPC CPUs, yeah [14:41] mostly for SoC stuff [14:41] not sure about servers any more [14:41] Yes ps3 and the 360 have ppc cpu's but they where not computers [14:41] depends on your definition of "computer" [14:41] :) [14:42] how do you define it then [14:42] ormiret, yup - the pSeries (servers) and zSeries (mainframes) both use power arch [14:42] an electronic device with a central microprocessor, random access memory, storage and input/output ports [14:42] i need to reboot to install the epic MS OS XP PRO SP3 [14:42] waveform: still? jeez [14:43] there are PowerPCs running the three Mars rovers :) [14:43] well if it's robust, why not? :) [14:43] totally [14:44] Thinking about OSX it is cheaper to install then any MS OS [14:44] curiosity is using a hardened 750, I think [14:44] arc__: are you just trolling, or do you have a point to make, please? [14:44] neuro, yeah - they even sell a few now and then :) [14:44] aha, was right [14:44] BAE make them [14:44] There are merits and disadvantages to each operating system, and everyone has different opinions. [14:44] RAD750 [14:45] Thanz for the info for the WinUSB program [14:45] dwatkins:Yeah you are right [14:45] this thing is a beast [14:45] "can withstand 100,000 rads" [14:46] $200K cost stock for the CPU and mobo [14:46] plus or minus variances for customer requirements and quantities ordered [14:46] MRO and LRO use them too [14:46] My argument for Mac's got me a A* [14:47] argument *for*? [14:47] Why Mac's are bad [14:47] that's not "for", that's "against" [14:47] and there's no apostrophe in plurals [14:47] <- grammar geek [14:48] Argument overruled F [14:48] lol [14:48] my fake statistics 1 in 3 people make the fatal decision of buying a Mac [14:49] wut? [14:49] Any they are fired because they can't use Windows programs [14:49] what are you talking about? [14:50] FATAL? [14:50] I don't need or want any Windows programs to do my job \o/ [14:50] mgdm: \m/ [14:50] * neuro glares at vSphere [14:50] you people are slow [14:50] ah, the insults begin [14:50] (This message brought to you by tmux, mosh, irssi, and Mac OS X) [14:51] tmux? [14:51] (oh, and Ubuntu) [14:51] * neuro googles [14:51] nice save [14:51] But the Mac G5 is a good editing rig [14:51] neuro: like screen but moar better [14:51] woah [14:51] moar ? [14:51] interesting [14:51]