| snap-l | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roujin_Z | 00:30 |
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| snap-l | http://www.reddit.com/r/html5/comments/1jgjam/anyone_who_knows_how_to_create_a_social/ | 02:51 |
| snap-l | Good morning | 12:52 |
| brousch | ug | 13:16 |
| brousch | I have 2 lingering problems with the Win7 migration: Lotus 123r5 (for Windows!) and Firefox over redirected folders | 13:17 |
| brousch | FF is going in the trash | 13:17 |
| snap-l | brousch: 123r5? Isn't that a DOS version? | 13:42 |
| brousch | No. It says on the floppies "For Windows!" | 13:43 |
| snap-l | Oh fun | 13:43 |
| brousch | It's next on the list for re-writing | 13:44 |
| snap-l | Did you try the files under Libreoffice? | 13:45 |
| snap-l | It allegedly has support | 13:45 |
| snap-l | (according to the file menu) | 13:45 |
| brousch | It does not | 13:58 |
| brousch | The only thing that can read these spreadsheets in Excel97 | 13:58 |
| snap-l | ugh | 14:06 |
| snap-l | Could try Wine, and convert them | 14:06 |
| brousch | Conversion won't help since they are basically programs written in Lotus macros | 14:07 |
| snap-l | Oh that's lovely | 14:07 |
| snap-l | And nobody though in the 10+ years since to rewrite this? | 14:07 |
| snap-l | s/though/thought? | 14:07 |
| brousch | I'm doing it now! | 14:07 |
| snap-l | Congratulations. :) | 14:08 |
| snap-l | Way to be forward-thinking. ;) | 14:08 |
| brousch | But really it's hard to knock a system that's worked for pretty much 20 years | 14:08 |
| snap-l | Oh, no doubt. I'm sure it's gold watch will look lovely | 14:09 |
| snap-l | If you can find the original boxes you could put that gold watch in there as a memento of it's achievements. ;) | 14:09 |
| brousch | What annoys me most is when I tested it on Win7 4 years ago it worked fine. Now Lotus is on some blacklist that won't even try to run | 14:10 |
| snap-l | brousch: Probably because it didn't actually run well. :) | 14:10 |
| brousch | It ran fine | 14:10 |
| snap-l | It's part of Microsoft's grand conspiracy to kill Lotus once and for all. | 14:12 |
| snap-l | http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/differences-between-microsoft-excel-and-lotus-1-2-3-HP005199774.aspx | 14:12 |
| snap-l | *snort* | 14:13 |
| snap-l | http://www.zdnet.com/goodbye-lotus-1-2-3-7000015385/ | 14:13 |
| brousch | Lotus is officially dead. IBM killed it a month or two ago | 14:14 |
| jrwren | zomg, PEP8 is ALIVE!!! | 14:14 |
| snap-l | jrwren: I didn't know that it was suspected of being dead | 14:15 |
| rick_h | jrwren: ? | 14:15 |
| brousch | rick_h is going to have a stroke http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#maximum-line-length | 14:15 |
| jrwren | http://bugs.python.org/issue18472 | 14:16 |
| rick_h | jrwren: yea, lots of pylint stuff, would be cool | 14:17 |
| rick_h | brousch: why? "Aim to limit all lines to a maximum of 79 characters" ? | 14:18 |
| brousch | But 99 is OK! | 14:18 |
| rick_h | meh, but that use case never comes into play since you can always write readable code in 79chars | 14:19 |
| snap-l | Wonder if it'll show as a warning now with the linter. :) | 14:19 |
| jrwren | i won't be changing my 79 limit :p | 14:19 |
| snap-l | Same here. | 14:19 |
| brousch | It'll show as "Why are you breaking at 79 when your whole line would fit in 99"? | 14:19 |
| snap-l | For flowing long blocks of text with fewer structural restrictions (docstrings or comments), limiting the line length to 72 characters is recommended. | 14:20 |
| brousch | This sounds interesting: https://github.com/adicu/pantograph | 15:13 |
| jrwren | http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/activity/h/humor/Computers/unix.grades | 15:16 |
| rick_h | https://gist.github.com/mitechie/6132350 vs https://raw.github.com/kivy/kivy/master/examples/widgets/lists/list_cascade_dict.py for easy to read...go :) | 15:19 |
| brousch | #1 | 15:23 |
| brousch | A lot of extra \ breaks in #2 | 15:23 |
| rick_h | brousch: ty, hopefully @jacebrowning will start to think a bit | 15:23 |
| jrwren | HATE \ breaks | 15:23 |
| jrwren | find a different way. | 15:23 |
| rick_h | it's his example of "longer line length required for the code here" | 15:23 |
| jrwren | use ( or break inside a ( or list or dict | 15:24 |
| rick_h | so I refactored the damn file | 15:24 |
| jrwren | HATE \ ! | 15:24 |
| brousch | heh | 15:24 |
| jrwren | exactly. it is a sign you have triangular code. extract to more functions | 15:24 |
| jrwren | makes it easier to read. | 15:24 |
| greg-g | so, pep8, discuss | 16:44 |
| greg-g | :) | 16:44 |
| * greg-g reads scrollback | 16:45 | |
| * rick_h ducks and tries to hide. | 16:47 | |
| rick_h | people can write whatever bad code they want. I reserve the right to say fudge off if I have to deal with it. | 16:47 |
| rick_h | and to submit a pull request that makes it usable if I want to deal with it. | 16:47 |
| greg-g | rick_h++ | 16:51 |
| snap-l | heh, "fudge off" | 17:27 |
| snap-l | "fudge off you hot dog" | 17:28 |
| rick_h | hey, I've got a 3yr old. It's the time of inventive language ;) | 17:28 |
| greg-g | rick_h: totally | 17:28 |
| snap-l | Bah, teach 'em young | 17:29 |
| rick_h | and to break out classics like "...because I said so!!!" | 17:29 |
| snap-l | jcastro: http://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2013/08/01/3738/Long-awaited-Vapor-Trails-remix-coming-October-1st-now-available-for-pre-order | 17:40 |
| jcastro | alright!! | 17:47 |
| rick_h | moto x news coming out. doesn't look like a nexus phone :( | 19:25 |
| snap-l | rick_h: I'm not surprised, but I'm a little saddened | 19:32 |
| snap-l | Wonder if there's contracts for the Nexus-branded stuff | 19:32 |
| * rick_h wonders how close to asop it'll be | 19:32 | |
| rick_h | I want to pay full price for a phone that'll get google updates on the day of for the life of that device. Was hoping moto x would be it. | 19:33 |
| rick_h | wtf, did t-mobile get rid of the lower price if you brought your own phone? | 19:36 |
| rick_h | in looking at their website the price is the same if I bring my own phone or get a GS4 from them | 19:37 |
| snap-l | nfc | 19:39 |
| rick_h | ah, nvm. That's the 'down payment' that's 0 | 19:39 |
| rick_h | so they charge you for the phone, but they'll add it to your monthly payments so nvm | 19:40 |
| snap-l | OK, the person on Windows Weekly sounded like she was what happens when I have the wrong bitrate | 19:42 |
| snap-l | Had to wait for Leo to jump in to verify | 19:42 |
| jcastro | rick_h: you're not waiting for the normal Moto X | 19:53 |
| jcastro | you're waiting for the Google Play Moto X | 19:53 |
| jcastro | which they haven't announced yet | 19:53 |
| jcastro | announced but haven't revealed I mean | 19:56 |
| snap-l | Ah, I see they kept Motorola's Marketing department | 20:00 |
| jcastro | so the one thing I like about this | 20:02 |
| jcastro | is that they decided that going big was dumb | 20:02 |
| jcastro | and kept it at 4.7 inches | 20:02 |
| jcastro | meanwhile samsungs are starting to look like car windshields in your hand | 20:03 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Who do I bitch to about the rash of spam making its way through the Ubuntu list owners aliases? | 20:07 |
| snap-l | because something changed and now I'm getting a ton of crap | 20:07 |
| jcastro | rt@ubuntu.com | 20:07 |
| snap-l | danke | 20:08 |
| snap-l | sent | 20:12 |
| rick_h | yea, I'd like to be about 4.5 I think | 20:40 |
| rick_h | I'm hoping this is 4.7, but since there's less border it won't be much bigger than my gnex | 20:40 |
| brousch1 | I'm not a huge fan of the big phones. I loved the size of my Droid 1 | 20:42 |
| brousch1 | But now they pack 1080p into a phone | 20:43 |
| jcastro | rick_h: the Edge is 4.5. And after holding the physical prototype I am basically sold | 20:48 |
| rick_h | jcastro: yea, cool | 20:48 |
| jcastro | I wish I could get the guts of my Nexus 4 in the form factor of the Nexus One | 20:48 |
| jcastro | that was an awesome size | 20:48 |
| brousch1 | iphones are still small | 20:49 |
| jcastro | I don't think iphones are small, I think other phones just got huge | 20:49 |
| rick_h | yea, my wife misses her incredible size (iphone size) | 20:51 |
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