[00:30] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roujin_Z [02:51] http://www.reddit.com/r/html5/comments/1jgjam/anyone_who_knows_how_to_create_a_social/ [12:52] Good morning [13:16] ug [13:17] I have 2 lingering problems with the Win7 migration: Lotus 123r5 (for Windows!) and Firefox over redirected folders [13:17] FF is going in the trash [13:42] brousch: 123r5? Isn't that a DOS version? [13:43] No. It says on the floppies "For Windows!" [13:43] Oh fun [13:44] It's next on the list for re-writing [13:45] Did you try the files under Libreoffice? [13:45] It allegedly has support [13:45] (according to the file menu) [13:58] It does not [13:58] The only thing that can read these spreadsheets in Excel97 [14:06] ugh [14:06] Could try Wine, and convert them [14:07] Conversion won't help since they are basically programs written in Lotus macros [14:07] Oh that's lovely [14:07] And nobody though in the 10+ years since to rewrite this? [14:07] s/though/thought? [14:07] I'm doing it now! [14:08] Congratulations. :) [14:08] Way to be forward-thinking. ;) [14:08] But really it's hard to knock a system that's worked for pretty much 20 years [14:09] Oh, no doubt. I'm sure it's gold watch will look lovely [14:09] If you can find the original boxes you could put that gold watch in there as a memento of it's achievements. ;) [14:10] What annoys me most is when I tested it on Win7 4 years ago it worked fine. Now Lotus is on some blacklist that won't even try to run [14:10] brousch: Probably because it didn't actually run well. :) [14:10] It ran fine [14:12] It's part of Microsoft's grand conspiracy to kill Lotus once and for all. [14:12] http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/differences-between-microsoft-excel-and-lotus-1-2-3-HP005199774.aspx [14:13] *snort* [14:13] http://www.zdnet.com/goodbye-lotus-1-2-3-7000015385/ [14:14] Lotus is officially dead. IBM killed it a month or two ago [14:14] zomg, PEP8 is ALIVE!!! [14:15] jrwren: I didn't know that it was suspected of being dead [14:15] jrwren: ? [14:15] rick_h is going to have a stroke http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#maximum-line-length [14:16] http://bugs.python.org/issue18472 [14:17] jrwren: yea, lots of pylint stuff, would be cool [14:18] brousch: why? "Aim to limit all lines to a maximum of 79 characters" ? [14:18] But 99 is OK! [14:19] meh, but that use case never comes into play since you can always write readable code in 79chars [14:19] Wonder if it'll show as a warning now with the linter. :) [14:19] i won't be changing my 79 limit :p [14:19] Same here. [14:19] It'll show as "Why are you breaking at 79 when your whole line would fit in 99"? [14:20] For flowing long blocks of text with fewer structural restrictions (docstrings or comments), limiting the line length to 72 characters is recommended. [15:13] This sounds interesting: https://github.com/adicu/pantograph [15:16] http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/activity/h/humor/Computers/unix.grades [15:19] https://gist.github.com/mitechie/6132350 vs https://raw.github.com/kivy/kivy/master/examples/widgets/lists/list_cascade_dict.py for easy to read...go :) [15:23] #1 [15:23] A lot of extra \ breaks in #2 [15:23] brousch: ty, hopefully @jacebrowning will start to think a bit [15:23] HATE \ breaks [15:23] find a different way. [15:23] it's his example of "longer line length required for the code here" [15:24] use ( or break inside a ( or list or dict [15:24] so I refactored the damn file [15:24] HATE \ ! [15:24] heh [15:24] exactly. it is a sign you have triangular code. extract to more functions [15:24] makes it easier to read. [16:44] so, pep8, discuss [16:44] :) [16:45] * greg-g reads scrollback [16:47] * rick_h ducks and tries to hide. [16:47] people can write whatever bad code they want. I reserve the right to say fudge off if I have to deal with it. [16:47] and to submit a pull request that makes it usable if I want to deal with it. [16:51] rick_h++ [17:27] heh, "fudge off" [17:28] "fudge off you hot dog" [17:28] hey, I've got a 3yr old. It's the time of inventive language ;) [17:28] rick_h: totally [17:29] Bah, teach 'em young [17:29] and to break out classics like "...because I said so!!!" [17:40] jcastro: http://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2013/08/01/3738/Long-awaited-Vapor-Trails-remix-coming-October-1st-now-available-for-pre-order [17:47] alright!! [19:25] moto x news coming out. doesn't look like a nexus phone :( [19:32] rick_h: I'm not surprised, but I'm a little saddened [19:32] Wonder if there's contracts for the Nexus-branded stuff [19:32] * rick_h wonders how close to asop it'll be [19:33] I want to pay full price for a phone that'll get google updates on the day of for the life of that device. Was hoping moto x would be it. [19:36] wtf, did t-mobile get rid of the lower price if you brought your own phone? [19:37] in looking at their website the price is the same if I bring my own phone or get a GS4 from them [19:39] nfc [19:39] ah, nvm. That's the 'down payment' that's 0 [19:40] so they charge you for the phone, but they'll add it to your monthly payments so nvm [19:42] OK, the person on Windows Weekly sounded like she was what happens when I have the wrong bitrate [19:42] Had to wait for Leo to jump in to verify [19:53] rick_h: you're not waiting for the normal Moto X [19:53] you're waiting for the Google Play Moto X [19:53] which they haven't announced yet [19:56] announced but haven't revealed I mean [20:00] Ah, I see they kept Motorola's Marketing department [20:02] so the one thing I like about this [20:02] is that they decided that going big was dumb [20:02] and kept it at 4.7 inches [20:03] meanwhile samsungs are starting to look like car windshields in your hand [20:07] jcastro: Who do I bitch to about the rash of spam making its way through the Ubuntu list owners aliases? [20:07] because something changed and now I'm getting a ton of crap [20:07] rt@ubuntu.com [20:08] danke [20:12] sent [20:40] yea, I'd like to be about 4.5 I think [20:40] I'm hoping this is 4.7, but since there's less border it won't be much bigger than my gnex [20:42] I'm not a huge fan of the big phones. I loved the size of my Droid 1 [20:43] But now they pack 1080p into a phone [20:48] rick_h: the Edge is 4.5. And after holding the physical prototype I am basically sold [20:48] jcastro: yea, cool [20:48] I wish I could get the guts of my Nexus 4 in the form factor of the Nexus One [20:48] that was an awesome size [20:49] iphones are still small [20:49] I don't think iphones are small, I think other phones just got huge [20:51] yea, my wife misses her incredible size (iphone size)