[00:30] <snap-l> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roujin_Z
[02:51] <snap-l> http://www.reddit.com/r/html5/comments/1jgjam/anyone_who_knows_how_to_create_a_social/
[12:52] <snap-l> Good morning
[13:16] <brousch> ug
[13:17] <brousch> I have 2 lingering problems with the Win7 migration: Lotus 123r5 (for Windows!) and Firefox over redirected folders
[13:17] <brousch> FF is going in the trash
[13:42] <snap-l> brousch: 123r5? Isn't that a DOS version?
[13:43] <brousch> No. It says on the floppies "For Windows!"
[13:43] <snap-l> Oh fun
[13:44] <brousch> It's next on the list for re-writing
[13:45] <snap-l> Did you try the files under Libreoffice?
[13:45] <snap-l> It allegedly has support
[13:45] <snap-l> (according to the file menu)
[13:58] <brousch> It does not
[13:58] <brousch> The only thing that can read these spreadsheets in Excel97
[14:06] <snap-l> ugh
[14:06] <snap-l> Could try Wine, and convert them
[14:07] <brousch> Conversion won't help since they are basically programs written in Lotus macros
[14:07] <snap-l> Oh that's lovely
[14:07] <snap-l> And nobody though in the 10+ years since to rewrite this?
[14:07] <snap-l> s/though/thought?
[14:07] <brousch> I'm doing it now!
[14:08] <snap-l> Congratulations. :)
[14:08] <snap-l> Way to be forward-thinking. ;)
[14:08] <brousch> But really it's hard to knock a system that's worked for pretty much 20 years
[14:09] <snap-l> Oh, no doubt. I'm sure it's gold watch will look lovely
[14:09] <snap-l> If you can find the original boxes you could put that gold watch in there as a memento of it's achievements. ;)
[14:10] <brousch> What annoys me most is when I tested it on Win7 4 years ago it worked fine. Now Lotus is on some blacklist that won't even try to run
[14:10] <snap-l> brousch: Probably because it didn't actually run well. :)
[14:10] <brousch> It ran fine
[14:12] <snap-l> It's part of Microsoft's grand conspiracy to kill Lotus once and for all.
[14:12] <snap-l> http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel-help/differences-between-microsoft-excel-and-lotus-1-2-3-HP005199774.aspx
[14:13] <snap-l> *snort*
[14:13] <snap-l> http://www.zdnet.com/goodbye-lotus-1-2-3-7000015385/
[14:14] <brousch> Lotus is officially dead. IBM killed it a month or two ago
[14:14] <jrwren> zomg, PEP8 is ALIVE!!!
[14:15] <snap-l> jrwren: I didn't know that it was suspected of being dead
[14:15] <rick_h> jrwren: ?
[14:15] <brousch> rick_h is going to have a stroke http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0008/#maximum-line-length
[14:16] <jrwren> http://bugs.python.org/issue18472
[14:17] <rick_h> jrwren: yea, lots of pylint stuff, would be cool
[14:18] <rick_h> brousch: why? "Aim to limit all lines to a maximum of 79 characters" ?
[14:18] <brousch> But 99 is OK!
[14:19] <rick_h> meh, but that use case never comes into play since you can always write readable code in 79chars
[14:19] <snap-l> Wonder if it'll show as a warning now with the linter. :)
[14:19] <jrwren> i won't be changing my 79 limit :p
[14:19] <snap-l> Same here.
[14:19] <brousch> It'll show as "Why are you breaking at 79 when your whole line would fit in 99"?
[14:20] <snap-l> For flowing long blocks of text with fewer structural restrictions (docstrings or comments), limiting the line length to 72 characters is recommended.
[15:13] <brousch> This sounds interesting: https://github.com/adicu/pantograph
[15:16] <jrwren> http://stuff.mit.edu/afs/athena/activity/h/humor/Computers/unix.grades
[15:19] <rick_h> https://gist.github.com/mitechie/6132350 vs https://raw.github.com/kivy/kivy/master/examples/widgets/lists/list_cascade_dict.py for easy to read...go :)
[15:23] <brousch> #1
[15:23] <brousch> A lot of extra \ breaks in #2
[15:23] <rick_h> brousch: ty, hopefully @jacebrowning will start to think a bit
[15:23] <jrwren> HATE \ breaks
[15:23] <jrwren> find a different way.
[15:23] <rick_h> it's his example of "longer line length required for the code here"
[15:24] <jrwren> use ( or break inside a ( or list or dict
[15:24] <rick_h> so I refactored the damn file
[15:24] <jrwren> HATE \ !
[15:24] <brousch> heh
[15:24] <jrwren> exactly. it is a sign you have triangular code. extract to more functions
[15:24] <jrwren> makes it easier to read.
[16:44] <greg-g> so, pep8, discuss
[16:44] <greg-g> :)
[16:45]  * greg-g reads scrollback
[16:47]  * rick_h ducks and tries to hide. 
[16:47] <rick_h> people can write whatever bad code they want. I reserve the right to say fudge off if I have to deal with it.
[16:47] <rick_h> and to submit a pull request that makes it usable if I want to deal with it.
[16:51] <greg-g> rick_h++
[17:27] <snap-l> heh, "fudge off"
[17:28] <snap-l> "fudge off you hot dog"
[17:28] <rick_h> hey, I've got a 3yr old. It's the time of inventive language ;)
[17:28] <greg-g> rick_h: totally
[17:29] <snap-l> Bah, teach 'em young
[17:29] <rick_h> and to break out classics like "...because I said so!!!"
[17:40] <snap-l> jcastro: http://www.rushisaband.com/blog/2013/08/01/3738/Long-awaited-Vapor-Trails-remix-coming-October-1st-now-available-for-pre-order
[17:47] <jcastro> alright!!
[19:25] <rick_h> moto x news coming out. doesn't look like a nexus phone :(
[19:32] <snap-l> rick_h: I'm not surprised, but I'm a little saddened
[19:32] <snap-l> Wonder if there's contracts for the Nexus-branded stuff
[19:32]  * rick_h wonders how close to asop it'll be
[19:33] <rick_h> I want to pay full price for a phone that'll get google updates on the day of for the life of that device. Was hoping moto x would be it.
[19:36] <rick_h> wtf, did t-mobile get rid of the lower price if you brought your own phone?
[19:37] <rick_h> in looking at their website the price is the same if I bring my own phone or get a GS4 from them
[19:39] <snap-l> nfc
[19:39] <rick_h> ah, nvm. That's the 'down payment' that's 0
[19:40] <rick_h> so they charge you for the phone, but they'll add it to your monthly payments so nvm
[19:42] <snap-l> OK, the person on Windows Weekly sounded like she was what happens when I have the wrong bitrate
[19:42] <snap-l> Had to wait for Leo to jump in to verify
[19:53] <jcastro> rick_h: you're not waiting for the normal Moto X
[19:53] <jcastro> you're waiting for the Google Play Moto X
[19:53] <jcastro> which they haven't announced yet
[19:56] <jcastro> announced but haven't revealed I mean
[20:00] <snap-l> Ah, I see they kept Motorola's Marketing department
[20:02] <jcastro> so the one thing I like about this
[20:02] <jcastro> is that they decided that going big was dumb
[20:02] <jcastro> and kept it at 4.7 inches
[20:03] <jcastro> meanwhile samsungs are starting to look like car windshields in your hand
[20:07] <snap-l> jcastro: Who do I bitch to about the rash of spam making its way through the Ubuntu list owners aliases?
[20:07] <snap-l> because something changed and now I'm getting a ton of crap
[20:07] <jcastro> rt@ubuntu.com
[20:08] <snap-l> danke
[20:12] <snap-l> sent
[20:40] <rick_h> yea, I'd like to be about 4.5 I think
[20:40] <rick_h> I'm hoping this is 4.7, but since there's less border it won't be much bigger than my gnex
[20:42] <brousch1> I'm not a huge fan of the big phones. I loved the size of my Droid 1
[20:43] <brousch1> But now they pack 1080p into a phone
[20:48] <jcastro> rick_h: the Edge is 4.5. And after holding the physical prototype I am basically sold
[20:48] <rick_h> jcastro: yea, cool
[20:48] <jcastro> I wish I could get the guts of my Nexus 4 in the form factor of the Nexus One
[20:48] <jcastro> that was an awesome size
[20:49] <brousch1> iphones are still small
[20:49] <jcastro> I don't think iphones are small, I think other phones just got huge
[20:51] <rick_h> yea, my wife misses her incredible size (iphone size)