[05:56] <Squirm> it
[05:56] <Squirm> is
[05:56] <Squirm> cold
[06:14] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:14] <inetpro> hi Squirm
[06:14] <Squirm> hello inetpro 
[06:25] <mazal> maaz , tell Kilos http://www.telkommobile.co.za/deals/ and click on " Check out our interactive brochure "
[06:25] <Maaz> mazal: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[06:27] <psyatw> good morning inetpro
[06:28] <psyatw> hi Squirm
[06:28] <psyatw> hi mazal
[06:28] <inetpro> hi psyatw
[06:30] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:43] <magespawn> good morning
[06:52] <mazal> Morning magespawn 
[07:11] <magespawn> any luck with that scanner mazal ?
[07:12] <mazal> Nope magespawn , using it on win for now
[07:12] <mazal> I think it might get supported in later Ubuntu releases
[07:17] <magespawn> i have generally had good experiences with hp products, so they might release something
[07:17] <magespawn> maybe suggest it to them
[07:17] <magespawn> Maaz seen Kilos
[07:17] <Maaz> magespawn: Kilos was last seen 13 hours, 14 minutes and 12 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2013-07-31 11:03:17 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2013-07-31 11:03:26 PDT
[07:17] <magespawn> long time for the oom
[07:32] <magespawn> bbl rearragning the shop
[07:32] <magespawn> rearranging
[08:28] <mazal> I need advice from the smart guys
[08:28] <mazal> Scenario: two different pc's
[08:28] <mazal> One 13.04 64bit , the other 12.04 64bit
[08:28] <not_found> install windows
[08:28] <mazal> Both ubuntu
[08:29] <not_found> :p
[08:29] <mazal> I want to have the same /home on both
[08:29] <mazal> My idea: Use an external for /home
[08:29] <barrydk> Goeie more Almal
[08:29] <mazal> Both have same username and user is the first user
[08:30] <mazal> Edit fstab on both machines that /home points to external's uuid
[08:31] <mazal> In theory this should work , BUT , will the fact that one is 12.04 and other is 13.04 cause problems in my home's config files , especially unity and other related configs ?
[08:40] <zeref> Symmetria: 
[08:40] <not_found> I would imagine there could be some conflicts... would all depend on the specific applications
[08:42] <mazal> hmm
[08:42] <mazal> What to do
[08:43] <mazal> The reason is I would like to have the same data at home and at work. Email , docs , etc. And this was the only way I could think of
[08:44] <mazal> The only other way would be to do a full install to external and run my whole system from that and boot from usb. 
[11:57] <mazal> Sjoe , quiet in here without oom Kilos :(
[12:07] <Trixar_za> Yeah, you guys aren't a very talkative bunch
[12:23] <Kilos> hi superfly mazal inetpro and others
[12:24] <Kilos> i see mage is still gone
[12:24] <mazal> Hi oom Kilos 
[12:24] <mazal> Nou net van jou geskinder
[12:24] <Kilos> haha wat het jy gese
[12:24] <mazal> Dis baie stil as oom nie hier is nie :(
[12:24] <Kilos> ek het nuwe 2+1
[12:24] <Kilos> yay
[12:25] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[12:27] <Kilos> sometimes theres an object in your path and sometimes theres lotsa space 
[12:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> ello :-)
[12:27] <Kilos> oh ya :-)
[12:28] <mazal> Kilos, bad news , k just bumped way back on the list again hehehe
[12:28] <Kilos> aw
[12:28] <mazal> Between yesterday and today 11 more movies came that needs cleaning. And it looks like I must re-install my current install also
[12:28] <Kilos> kde is all i had working this morningthis is a fresh install
[12:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:29] <Kilos> hi not_found nuvolari 
[12:30] <Kilos> or nuvolari not_found 
[12:30] <mazal> Every time I am almost up to date another bright idea hits me , and they usually entail lots of work :P
[12:30] <Trixar_za> I'm still on 800MB
[12:30] <Trixar_za> I've been using data less than I normally would and I've been downloading stuff too
[12:30] <Kilos> how did you manage that Trixar_za 
[12:31] <Trixar_za> Mostly by not being on the internet for nearly a week :P
[12:31] <not_found> alo
[12:31] <Kilos> lol
[12:31] <Kilos> my net is flying
[12:31] <Kilos> got up to 643kB/s today
[12:32] <mazal> That's very good Kilos , well for SA anyway
[12:33] <not_found> nice :)
[12:34] <not_found> btw uncle Kilos , I can't remember who had issues scanning last time but I just wanted to scan... went to printers, found it and then I could scan
[12:35] <Kilos> it was mazal 
[12:35] <inetpro> Kilos: good morning. Btw, you are late!
[12:35] <Kilos> didnt have data inetpro sorry
[12:36] <inetpro> ai!
[12:36] <space> Hello.
[12:42] <Trixar_za> Yeah, it's pretty nice on torrent sites, but I need to update my 3G modem - it's still only 3.6 MBits/s max while 8.ta/Telkom Mobile can handle up to 7.2Mbits/s
[12:47] <Kilos> how does one get into a 3g modems storage part to delete all the wmc stuff there
[12:48] <Kilos> vmc
[12:49] <Kilos> hmm... peer got him
[12:49] <Trixar_za> I've heard of programs that you can use to format it and allow you to install your own
[12:49] <Trixar_za> For ZTE modems anyway
[12:50] <mazal> Enjoy the evening everyone
[12:50] <mazal> Bye
[12:50] <Kilos> cheers mazal 
[13:09] <magespawn> afternoon all
[13:10] <magespawn> for squid does the server have to be physically between the internet and the network, or just set as the proxy in network settings?
[13:10] <magespawn> and the same question for a dhcp and dns server?'
[13:11] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[13:12] <Kilos> wb magespawn 
[13:12] <magespawn> ty been busing rearranging the shop
[13:14] <magespawn> i am also looking to boot two laptops via network
[13:14] <magespawn> lots of questions today
[13:20] <magespawn> so with the network boot does the machine with image have to be the dhcp server or can it be another machine?
[13:38] <Kilos> whew they all ignoring you magespawn 
[13:38] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, you know what to do hey?
[13:39] <Kilos> ^^
[13:40] <confluency> magespawn: what do you mean by "physically between the internet and the network"?
[13:41] <confluency> AFAIK, the squid server doesn't have to be physically anywhere. As long as the server can access the internet and whatever computer wants to use the squid proxy can access the squid server, it can be a squid server.
[13:42] <confluency> NFI about the network boot; sorry.
[13:52] <Kilos> hmm... he got busy again
[13:52] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[13:52] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[13:54] <magespawn> ty confluency i meant does the proxy server need two network cards one going to the internet and one to the rest of the network
[13:56] <confluency> Are you setting it up as some kind of gateway, so that the internal network can only access the internet through the proxy?
[13:56] <magespawn> i was thinking of that but i won't if it is not necessary
[13:57] <confluency> I'm pretty sure it's not necessary.
[13:57] <magespawn> i do a lot of windows updates for customers machine and was looking to make it faster by caching updates locally
[13:58] <confluency> You can even run a proxy on localhost.
[13:58] <magespawn> never thought of that
[13:59] <confluency> Everyone who has a Linux machine at UCT needs CNTLM to speak to the NTLM proxy, so it's pretty common here.
[14:03] <magespawn> thanks for the input
[14:04] <confluency> I don't actually know anything about networking. :D
[14:04] <confluency> Except some bits I accidentally know.
[14:11] <magespawn> ahh well sometimes it is just another voice that helps and accidentally still counts\
[14:12] <magespawn> i have never set up a squid or any other kind of proxy before
[14:20] <Kilos> magespawn, im trying to install the linux driver for the e220. if i disappear i killed something
[14:29] <magespawn> cool Kilos 
[14:33] <magespawn> yay have the quassel back 
[14:33] <Kilos> well done
[14:34] <magespawn> just looks like it was not booting properly
[14:38] <Kilos> ill try this again when someone has time i cant get that .tar.gz to convert to a .deb
[14:38] <Kilos> looks so easy when they do it
[14:38] <Kilos> sigh
[14:38] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/205233/how-to-convert-tar-gz-etc-to-deb-format-using-ubucompilator-checkinstall
[14:47] <superfly> you cannot "convert" a .tar.gz to .deb -- it just doesn't work like that
[14:47] <superfly> a .deb contains a whole bunch of information that a .tar.gz just doesn't have. and it  can't make that information up either.
[14:58] <Kilos> isnt the checkinstall a compiler thingie superfly 
[14:59] <Kilos> or is that link wrong what they say
[14:59] <superfly> Kilos: yes, it will ask you for a whole bunch of information that you need to create a .deb file
[14:59] <superfly> Kilos: what are trying to break now?
[14:59] <superfly> you should not be trying to install software from a tarball
[14:59] <Kilos> the e220
[15:00] <Kilos> after night off pc dont see it in the morning
[15:00] <superfly> did you pull it out, restart the PC and then plug it back in?
[15:00] <Kilos> its the only linux driver we could find for the e220
[15:00] <superfly> installing extra software is not going to make your PC see the device again
[15:00] <Kilos> yip many times and tried different usb sockets 
[15:01] <superfly> Kilos: most hardware does not need a driver, linux already has the driver.
[15:01] <Kilos> ive done a clean install this morning
[15:01] <superfly> Kilos: just because you couldn't see the modem again?
[15:01] <Kilos> im just bang tomorrow morning the e220 is missing again
[15:02] <Kilos> even sakis3g couldnt work with it
[15:02] <Kilos> after install its working again
[15:02] <Kilos> im sure the vodafone stuff in it is sick
[15:02] <superfly> ai oom, when are you going to learn that if a device is suddently "dead", it's probably the device, not your computer. and no amount of software is going to fix it.
[15:03] <Kilos> i took it to win 7 and it worked fine
[15:04] <Kilos> only here it wouldnt
[15:04] <Kilos> and its so lekker fast
[15:05] <Kilos> oh also if i boot into kubuntu its missing as well
[15:05] <Kilos> well not missing but wont connect
[15:06] <superfly> put the device in the freezer
[15:06] <Kilos> hehe and then?
[15:06] <superfly> let it cool off. then try again
[15:06] <superfly> sometimes it overheats
[15:06] <Kilos> its fine now
[15:06] <superfly> happened to mine
[15:07] <Kilos> didnt work first thing in the morning when i booted so no time to get hot
[15:09] <Kilos> oh and all the upgrades and stuff are for windows thats why i was trying to get linux stuff working here for it
[15:10] <Kilos> there is a good tool for fixing modems superfly  but its also a windows thing
[15:10] <Kilos> called mobile doctor
[15:11] <Kilos> does diagnostic stuff and repairs whats no good
[15:14] <magespawn> later all home time
[15:14] <Kilos> cool magespawn 
[15:15] <Kilos> oh Trixar_za 8ta has a modem  for R69 a month on contract
[15:16] <Kilos> http://www.telkommobile.co.za/deals/
[15:17] <Kilos> i dunno if you get data with that
[15:18] <Kilos> straight modem buy is R399 at telkom stores
[15:20] <Trixar_za> I'd probably go for a straight buy
[15:20] <Trixar_za> I don't like contracts since you always end up paying more
[15:20] <Kilos> i cant go contracts either
[16:00] <Squirm> 'lo
[16:04] <Vince-0> surp
[16:33] <magespawn> evening
[16:47] <Kilos> hi Squirm Vince-0 magespawn 
[16:47] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[16:48] <Vince-0> haai
[18:21] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:21] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[18:22] <Kilos> koud ne
[18:22] <inetpro> anyone here that can send me a fax?
[18:22] <inetpro> "If you do not use your number within the next thirty days, it will be taken away from you in accordance with ICASA Regulations."
[18:22] <Kilos> can one send one from ubuntu?
[18:23] <Kilos> if so ill help
[18:23] <inetpro> if I knew how I would do it myself
[18:23] <Kilos> haha
[18:24] <Kilos> isnt that option on new cell phones
[18:24] <inetpro> ahh but wait a minute
[18:25] <inetpro> maybe I should make a payment to myself and send a fax statement
[18:26] <Kilos> try that if not ask someone during the day
[18:31] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:31] <Kilos> efax
[18:31] <inetpro> done it now but the fax is not here yet
[18:32] <Kilos> efax is in the repos
[18:32] <inetpro> FAX2EMAIL via fax@lantic.net
[18:32] <Kilos> maybe it dont accept you sending to yourself
[18:32] <inetpro> that is what I use
[18:33] <inetpro> it is free, but for email to fax you have to pay
[18:33] <Kilos> can you then send a fax without a fax machine?
[18:33] <inetpro> I can receive faxes without a machine
[18:34] <inetpro> s/a machine/a fax machine/
[18:34] <Kilos> i will look at efax and see if it can work from here
[18:35] <Kilos> aw it needs a fax modem i think
[18:35] <Kilos> grrr
[18:36] <inetpro> yep
[18:36] <Kilos> sigh sorry
[18:36] <inetpro> but your phone can act as the modem
[18:37]  * inetpro been there done that... many years ago
[18:37] <inetpro> those old nokias could do it
[18:37] <Kilos> with an old fone?
[18:37] <inetpro> fax tech is old
[18:38] <inetpro> long forgotten about all yje ins and outs of it
[18:38] <inetpro> the*
[18:38] <Kilos> can one make a virtual modem
[18:39] <Kilos> iaxmodem?
[18:39] <inetpro> what would you call a virtual modem?
[18:39] <Kilos> a software one
[18:39] <Kilos> not a box
[18:39] <inetpro> why?
[18:40] <Kilos> well duh
[18:40] <Kilos> to send receive faxes of course
[18:41] <inetpro> you need two devices for sending and receiving
[18:41] <Kilos> see iaxmodem in repos
[18:41] <Kilos> IAXmodem is a software modem written in C that uses an IAX channel (commonly
[18:41] <Kilos> provided by an Asterisk PBX system) instead of a traditional phone line and
[18:41] <Kilos> uses a DSP library instead of DSP hardware chipsets.
[18:42] <Kilos> oh you need a branch exchange
[18:43] <Kilos> funny they aint made it work from pcs without a fax machine
[18:44] <inetpro> fax machines should die
[18:44] <inetpro> just like ftp
[18:44] <inetpro> I never use my number, that is why it wants to expire
[18:45] <inetpro> but I need to just keep it alive for those rare moments
[18:46] <Kilos> there are still some places that want faxes as legal documents
[18:46] <inetpro> and I will send me self a fax from the office tomorrow if this one doesn't come through
[18:46] <Kilos> i think i had to go send a fax from cop shop for visa that time
[18:47] <Kilos> or fax to visa peeps or something
[18:47] <inetpro> yep, sad case realities
[18:48] <Kilos> didnt accept scanned documents
[18:48] <inetpro> they probably have not even heard of email
[18:48] <Kilos> lol
[18:48] <Kilos> sleep tight inetpro and all other lurkers
[18:49] <inetpro> nag oom
[18:49] <Kilos> if im late the e220 got lost again
[22:23] <Squirm[M]> Hi
[22:29] <Trixar_za> Hi Squirm[M]
[22:29] <Trixar_za> erm
[22:29] <Trixar_za> We're dropping rock btw
[22:29] <Trixar_za> So we can replace it with a linode
[22:29] <Trixar_za> :P
[22:30] <Trixar_za> In Tokyo
[22:30] <Squirm[M]> Cool
[22:31] <Squirm[M]> I have to go. Chat in the morn
[22:31] <Trixar_za> K, I'll give you the new details later
[22:31] <Squirm[M]> Good  choice tho7gh